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Packers Draft Special: Packers Big Board 2.0

The rules here are simple.  If I'm making a pick in a vacuum (have signed no other free agents, haven't drafted anyone before this player), I'm taking guy 36 before I'm taking guy 37.  This is based on both my evaluation of the player, and the Packers need for that player.  This board absolutely will move around.  I've finally been able to really get into this entire class and spend four or five 6-8 hour stretches watching cut ups. 

This is also based off of conversations, watching college games live this season and rankings of people that I actually trust.  I'll also have it worked up all the way to 150 prospects once I get deeper into the film because the Packers do have those 9 picks in the first five rounds.  They should be able to select from their (not my) top 150 the whole way through. 

As you get deeper into my rankings you'll notice position groups in bunches.  These are "tiers".

Let's get rolling.

1.  Harold Landry EDGE Boston College
2.  Minkah Fitzpatrick DB Alabama
3.  Josh Jackson CB Iowa
4.  Quenton Nelson OG Notre Dame
5.  Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
6.  Bradley Chubb EDGE NC State
7.  Denzel Ward CB Ohio State
8.  Derwin James DB / LB FSU
9.  Arden Key EDGE LSU
10. Saquon Barkley RB Penn State
11. Michael Gallup WR  Colorado State
12. Courtland Sutton WR SMU
13. Vita Vea DT Washington
14. Roquan Smith LB Georgia
15. D'Ron Payne DL Alabama
16. Tremaine Edmunds LB VA Tech
17. Mike Hughes CB UCF
18. James Washington WR Oklahoma State
19. Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
20. MJ Stewart CB North Carolina
21. Rashaan Evans LB Alabama
22. Marcus Davenport EDGE UTSA
23. Connor Williams OT Texas
24. Jamarco Jones OT Ohio State
25. Maurice Hurst DT Michigan
26. Mike McGlinchey OT Notre Dame
27. Christian Kirk WR Texas A&M
28. Billy Price OG Ohio State
29. Sam Hubbard EDGE Ohio State
30. Kolton Miller OT UCLA
31. Taven Bryan DL Florida
32. Isiaiah Oliver CB Colorado
33. Ronnie Harrison S Alabama
34. Ogbonnia Okoronkwo EDGE Oklahoma
35. Uchenna Nwosu EDGE USC
36. Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma
37. Sam Darnold QB USC
38. Ronald Jones RB USC
39.  Derrius Guice RB LSU
40.  Marcell Ateman WR Oklahoma State
41.  Dallas Goedert TE South Dakota State
42.  Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma
43.  Dante Pettis WR Washintgon
44. Josh Rosen QB UCLA
45. Lamar Jackson QB Louisville
46. Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma State
47. Will Hernandez OG UTEP
48. Royce Freeman RB Oregon
49. Sony Michel RB Georgia
50. Donte Jackson CB LSU
51. Rasheem Green DT USC
52. Derrick Nnadi DT Florida State
53.  Shaquem Griffin LB UCF
54. Chukwuma Okorafor OL Western Michigan
55. Dorian O'Daniel LB Clemson
56. Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina
57. Troy Fumagalli TE Wisconsin
58. Adam Breneman TE UMass
59. Deebo Samuel WR South Carolina
60. Deion Cain WR Clemson
61. Anthony Miller WR Memphis
62. Allen Lazard WR Iowa State
63. Nick DeLuca LB North Dakota State
64. Jack Cichy LB Wisconsin
65. Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State
66. Malik Jefferson LB Texas
67. Josey Jewell LB Iowa
68. Lorenzo Carter LB / EDGE Georgia
69. Chad Thomas EDGE Miami
70. DeShon Elliot S Texas
71. Kameron Kelly CB San Diego State
72. Brad Bozeman IOL Alabama
73. Deontay Burnett WR USC
74. Nick Chubb RB Georgia
75. Auden Tate WR Florida St.
76. Duke Ejiofor EDGE Wake Forest
77. Hercules Ma'Taafa EDGE Washington State
78. Dorance Armstrong, Jr. EDGE Kansas
79. Tavarus McFadden CB Florida State
80. Carlton Davis CB Auburn
81. Darius Phillips CB  Western Michigan
82. Tyrell Crosby OT Oregon
83. Orlando Brown OT Oklahoma
84. Cedrick Wilson WR Boise State
85. DJ Moore WR Maryland
86. Keke Coutee WR Texas Tech
87. Equanameous St. Brown WR Notre Dame
88. Frank Ragnow IOL Arkansas
89. Isiah Wynn IOL Georgia
90. Harrison Phillips DL Stanford
91. Tyquan Lewis EDGE Ohio State
92. Josh Sweat EDGE Florida
93. Jeff Holland EDGE Auburn
94. Marquis Haynes EDGE Ole Miss
95. Kemoko Turay EDGE Rutgers
96. James Daniels IOL Iowa
97. Jerome Baker LB Ohio State
98. Mike Gesicki TE  Penn State
99. Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
100. Royce Freeman RB Oregon
101. Kerryon Johnson RB Auburn
102. Quin Blanding DB Virginia
103. RJ McIntosh DL Miami
104. Tre'Quan Smith WR UCF
105.Darious Williams CB UAB
106. Kyzir White S West Virginia
107. Jalyn Holmes EDGE/DL Ohio State
108. Micah Kizer LB Virginia
109. Ja'Von Rolland Jones EDGE Arkansas State
110. Marcus Allen DB Penn State
111. DeShon Elliot S Texas
112. Tim Settle DL Virginia Tech
113. Kalen Ballage RB Arizona State
114. Mark Walton RB Miami
115. Dalyn Dawkins RB Colorado State
116. Braden Smith IOL Auburn
117. Levi Wallace CB Alabama
118. Quenton Meeks CB Stanford
119. Mason Cole IOL Michigan
120. Damon Webb S Ohio State
121. Joe Ostman EDGE CMU
122. Justin Lawler EDGE Southern Miss
123. Garrett Dooley EDGE Wisconsin
124. Kylie Fitts EDGE Utah
125. Leon Jacobs EDGE Wisconsin
126. Marcell Frazier EDGE Mizzou
127. Jordan Akins TE UCF
128. Adam Brenneman TE UMass
129. Cam Serigne TE Wake Forest
130. Jaylen Samuels TE NC State
131. Skai Moore LB South Carolina
132. Al-Rasheed Benton LB West Virginia
133. Stacy Thomas LB Louisville
134. Chukwuma Okorafor OT Western Michigan
135. Martinas Rankin OT Mississippi State
136. Will Richardson OT NC State
137. Will Clapp IOL LSU
138. Wyatt Teller IOL Virginia Tech
139. BJ Hill DL Clemson
140. Trenton Thompson DL Georgia
141. Kyle Quiero S Northwestern
142. Poona Ford DL Texas
143. DJ Chark WR LSU
144. Desmond Harrison OT West Georgia
145. Justin Reid S Stanford
146. DaeSean Hamilton WR Penn State
147. Folo Fatukasi DL UConn
148. Luke Falk QB Washington State
149. Kyle Lauletta QB Richmond
150. Josh Allen QB Wyoming

Risers:  Harold Landry, Josh Sweat, Denzel Ward, Sam Hubbard, Mike Gesicki

Fallers: Marcus Davenport, Nick DeLuca, Dorance Armstrong, Tavarus McFadden


Ross Uglem is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @RossUglem 

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Bure9620's picture

Interesting, Josh Jackson seems a bit high at 3 and Vander Each seems low in the 60s but no real issues with these rankings

carlos's picture

I think Josh Allen should be way higher.

Ross Uglem's picture

he shouldn't.

Lee Jay Alcamo's picture

1-Barkley 2- Nelson 3-Fitzpatrick 4-Chubb 5-Edmunds

Savage57's picture

If one of the big 4 QB's are still on the board after 13, the Packers need to swap their No. 1 and 2 for Buffalo's double-up at 21 and 22 in the first round. The values pencil for that swap to make sense.

The impact talent they'll have available to them with two mid-first rounders could fill a couple of several big talent holes on this team.

Denver's picture

Hurst and Price will probably fall through no fault of their own...Orlando Brown should drop through fault of his own.
Love seeing Cichy on here. IMO he is better than Borland was. Unfortunately, like Borland, injuries could have a major impact.
Love the list, though, and looking forward to seeing it going forward.

worztik's picture

If this is the Pack’s board.., we’re screwed for years to come!!!!!

JDK52's picture

That's hilarious.

dobber's picture

This board essentially leaves all the players we've been talking about available at #14 as other teams pick QBs ahead of the Packers.

worztik's picture

This says that the big board has Josh Allen bracketed at #150??? What am I missing here??? Inquiring minds really want to know!!!

stockholder's picture

I'm trading back if this board is correct. Ward should be at the top of the board. ( I don't get the edge rusher over a shut down corner. ) Allen makes just as many good plays ,as bad. Could never start right away. Would have to learn a lot. I read Comparison is Favre. Too low for REID FS too. Must be PFF is his Source.

dobber's picture

"If I'm making a pick in a vacuum (have signed no other free agents, haven't drafted anyone before this player), I'm taking guy 36 before I'm taking guy 37. This is based on both my evaluation of the player, and the Packers need for that player."

It says this right here. Essentially, Ross has devalued QB in the Packers draft scheme assumedly due to need.

Ross Uglem's picture

Josh Allen isn't good. That's what you are missing.

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JDK52's picture

What's the idea behind ranking Chubb that much lower than Landry? Athleticism vs. more polished skillset?

Ross Uglem's picture

Between the two players easily the best full season is Landry’s junior year. I didn’t see the bend and flexibility I like in pass rushers from Chubb and that was reflected in his 3 cone. Landry to me is just the better player.

Bert's picture

I've been able to watch many of the Boise St games the last couple years. Vander Esch is pretty good but I'm not sure if has the burst to be an effective pass rusher. Good player though with very good range and he makes plays in Pass D. I do like Cedric Wilson a lot. I think he can be an excellent #2 for somebody. He would be a very good Rd 3-4 pick if he's still there.

JDK52's picture

Vander Esch seems like a more natural fit for the coverage ILB next to Martinez. He has athleticism for days, and could be a real threat on blitzes. But yeah, not really a full-time pass rusher.

Community Guy's picture

please drop the running backs.. yes, they are talented, but, maybe there are a few other needs for the team that should take priority? how about some love for QB Mike White, WKU? he could go in the 3rd round. maybe use one of the Sam Hubbard slots for him? also, who sees the 5-11 Jaylen Samuels as a TE in the league?

worztik's picture

White’s performance at the Senior Bowl was very impressive in my view! We could use a developmental QB like him. ;~€()

nigrivasilayesrej's picture

1) Fitzpatrick
2) Barkley
3) Nelson
4) Chubb
5) James
6) Ward
7) Smith
8) Landry
9) Edmunds
10) Vea

stockholder's picture

Why James ahead of Ward?

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stockholder's picture

98. Mike Gesicki TE Penn State= After what this kid did at the Combine? First TE off the board!! Landry? Not at 14. Still has issues but should be first round! Trade with Buff coming?

Ross Uglem's picture

Turn on the film. Played with an excellent QB too, so that’s no excuse.

4thand1's picture

The underwear olympics has everyone's shorts in a bind already.

Since '61's picture

Just pick the best 12 players on the list and go from there. Thanks, Since '61

Ross Uglem's picture

I like it.

stockholder's picture

Defense! 1, 2,7,8,13,14,16, 66,68,90, #1 is not #1.

sonomaca's picture

Good GM’s use FA to have at least a serviceable player at every position. That allows for drafting of BPA. Unfortunately, that strategy costs comp picks.

Rebecca's picture

Always take the best possible in every round. Maybe trade for need, but don't waste talent. Considering how many players miss time from injury, any position can become thin in a split second.

Bert's picture

I agree Rebecca. Given our injury history and lack of impact players on both sides of the ball I think going for BPA will build a quality roster with quality depth.

worztik's picture

Really??? Interesting factoid!!! I’m glad ya let us know that cause I’ve never thought of that before!!!

HankScorpio's picture

Lost in that nonsensical snark is that there is an ongoing argument when it comes to draft philosophy whether to draft for need or draft BPA. It's an argument that has raged for years. That is pretty basic football discussion 101. It seems odd that it needs to be mentioned.

For example, there are many saying the Packers should draft an edge rusher or DB at 14. Without knowing the first 13 off the board, it's far from a given that means picking the best player.

Bert's picture

Yikes!!! Poor guy.

sonomaca's picture

Isn’t St. Brown a bit low. Big, athletic guy. Maybe his crazy father is the problem?

John Kirk's picture

Combine seems to matter little to these rankings. Josh Jackson running 4.56 has him in the Top 3 players available? I know you've written about your love for him, but the tape you're watching has him vs. Big 10 WR's. The Ohio State game featured them without their top WR. The rest of the Big 10 wasn't close to a WR factory. It's great Josh Jackson showed out for 1 season vs. Big 10 WR's, but he's going to be facing NFL WR's, which will be like going from Welterweight to Heavy Weight. He ran himself out of the top half of the draft.

Auden Tate is another example... He ran like a LB not a WR. I loved the guy but that speed is embarrassing for a WR. 75 too high for a guy with those speed limitations. I hope nobody quotes me Larry Fitzgerald. He didn't even run at the combine, it was falsely reported he ran the 40. He did not.

Evaluation is always interesting especially when a guy kills it in his Junior year and then falls back his Senior. Not a fan of guys who trend downward in their Senior year unless they were injured. Landry had ankle issues. Davante didn't look good when he had his, but did Landry flash any of his junior year during his senior? A 1st overall with his measurables was a huge shock to me on this list. I can see how he may have risen with his performance, but it wasn't one anywhere near the kind to vault him into the Top 10, much less 1st overall?

Also, not a fan of SPARQ scores? Packers seem to favor those.

Is it fair to say you're strictly or almost strictly a tape guy? What criteria do you use when you watch tape? Do you weight competition faced heavily? Hard to think that if Josh Jackson is as high as he is.

Would love to know more in depth about your methodology.

Ross Uglem's picture

I love because he ran a 40 in the 4.5s that he isn't a good athlete. There is more to life than the 40 yard dash. His vertical is in the 75+% of corners, his 3 cone is in the 60+% percentile for corners. Short shuttle and bench press all in the 80+% percentile for corners. He's Marcus Peters without the attitude problems.

Ross Uglem's picture

also, what in the world do you mean "with Harold Landry's measurables"?

40 yard dash - 87th percentile
60 yd shuttle - 99th percentile
20 yd shuttle - 91st percentile
3 cone - 95th percentile
Vertical - 82nd percentile

It was his combine performance that shot him up the board for me.

John Kirk's picture

You have Landry as 1st overall. That's pretty lofty. If you have a guy at 1 overall he better be truly special. His measurables are good. 1st overall, or even Top 10 good? I wrote about him being our pick at 14 in another thread, so I'm hardly panning Landry as a player, just questioning how he's a 1st overall? I asked about his senior tape vs. junior. Did you see anything remotely like you saw his junior year during his senior campaign?

As for Jackson, 40 is vital for CBs in general. He had one year of Big 10 football. Big 10. List all the great WR's he shutdown. Lazard is probably the best he faced and he's not a Big 10 WR. Casey Hayward ran 4.57 so I understand there is more than just the 40...but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Jackson if he'd done it for more than one year and it was against better competition.

sonomaca's picture

Josh Jackson didn’t look good in key drills. I don’t think he’s worthy of #14, for this and other reasons already cited.

I don’t think Landry escapes the top 10. Packers might be stuck in purgatory at 14.

dobber's picture

With as many holes as the Packers have to fill, I don't see a purgatory in this draft at #14.

Ross Uglem's picture

There are no such thing as key drills. Football is played with pads on. His testing was fine.

Ross Uglem's picture

I obviously don't agree with your assessment of Jackson, neither do a lot of places I respect, and that's fine. People can disagree. As far as Landry being #1 overall, he's my #1 overall pick for the Packers. I view him as the best edge rusher in this class and the top player for Green Bay. There are a few prospects I would have ahead of him on a board just ranking players 1 - 150.

John Kirk's picture

That's fair. It shows this list is strictly need based. Nobody is going to have the overwhelming majority of players ahead of Barkley that this list reflects. We're banking that other teams need draft QBs. The list is hard for those of us who don't think the draft should be need based.

Did you put Landry as 1st overall because you feel that's going to be the pick and you can later write that they got the best pick possible?

As for Jackson, how do you or sources you trust answer the question about Big 10 competition?

Ross Uglem's picture

Mike Renner from Pro Football Focus wrote something really smart. I can't link it here because of our anti-spam stuff here at CHTV but if you go to his twitter account it's right there.

John Kirk's picture

Here's what Renner wrote that Ross is referring to courtesy

Landry is the single most complete edge defender in this class and is simply coming off an injury-plagued year. His high-end play is special, as is the company he keeps athletically. If his 2017 tape pushes him down and out of the top-10 on draft night, someone is going to get a steal.

That same guy seems to like Gesicki more than you do. :)

A Sutton-Gesicki 1-2 start to the draft would really be something. The shock alone would be something to see but I'd be out of my mind.

TE is worse off than EDGE and I'm not sure WR isn't co equal or worse.

I'm as tired of defense themed drafts as I was of Ted. Half of that has been fixed.

EDIT: Here's what Mike Renner wrote in more detail on Landry, courtesy

Landry would kick off the 2017 season with back-to-back five-pressure performances against Northern Illinois and Wake Forest. But by the time they faced off against Notre Dame in Week 3, something was noticeably wrong with Landry. He only played 38 of a possible 78 snaps in that game, and while no formal injury was reported, he wasn’t close to the same guy down the stretch. Over the last six games before injury ended his season, Landry notched all of 19 pressures. Many of those reps where Landry took a hard-outside move that resulted in sacks in 2016, were now ending with him getting pushed past the quarterback. Was his bend an issue or was the ankle that ultimately took him out for the year the problem?

--Landry said in a video clip at the combine that he was injured Week 7 vs. Louisville. He wasn't hurt vs. Notre Dame or the next several games. His production was nothing like the previous season and it's up to teams to decide why. Banking on 2016 Landry doesn't seem wise to me. Looking at him up to he got injured at Louisville seems the wiser course of action. He wasn't the same guy and certainly not worthy of a Top 10 selection.

Tundraboy's picture

I'll take any player who can help change the identity of this D, day one. And a TE and OL. Thank you.

4thand10's picture

I would be fired if GM :-) Trenches first...Da'Ron Payne. Then I would sign Wilkerson (FA) .
There might be a different type of "setting the edge" with Pettine in charge so I wouldn't reach for an OLB /DE hybrid...I've watched years of my beloved Packers doing that...enough is enough.

On offense, make a move to get Mike Gesicki TE. Then Grab an OL or 2.

Or completely lose my mind, mortgage the future, trade for Barkley. Sign Wilkerson. Find a FA CB. Then trade/barter back up and grab a RT :-)
This is going to be another interesting year. I have no idea what the Packers should or will do.

Oppy's picture

What the hell kind of board is this?

A board without BoBo Schmelky is a travesty.

If BoBo isn't in green and gold come the 5th round of this draft, I'm flippin' done with it. Burn 1225 down, gut the front office... it's BoBo or no-go!!

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