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Packers Coaching Changes a Certainty at Season’s End

When the Green Bay Packers 2015-16 season finally comes to a close –hopefully in February - look for significant coaching changes at 1265 Lombardi Avenue.

In the afterglow of an impressive Wildcard Playoff victory over the Washington Redskins and with the opportunity to continue playing-on in the 2016 postseason comes the realization that all is still not settled with the Green Bay Packers.  Especially their offense. 

The win was impressive, decisive and allowed the team to advance in the post season.  Yet Packers fans realize that the opponent, the Washington Redskins, were a not-ready-for-prime-time outfit which didn't hold a candle to the competition the Packers will face beginning this Saturday in the Arizona desert.   The hope is that their offensive performance is a harbinger of many more good things to come.  The question remains does one week cover for so many startling failures along the way including three home losses to their NFC North opponents?

Mike McCarthy was cited by multiple sources as taking the loss at the hands of the Seattle Seahawks in last year's NFC Championship game hard.  He wasted little time to ensure that there would not be a replay of that crushing defeat anytime soon. 

McCarthy was heavily criticized after the Seattle game for play-calling that was too conservative at game’s end and for not realizing what was happening on special teams and defense – such as Clay Matthews being on the sideline during crucial stages at the end of the game and ensuring that the kick return ‘hands-team’ was assignment sure.

Just days after the loss he jettisoned the inept and bumbling special teams coordinator Shawn Slocum.  In his place the talented and experienced Ron Zook took over and added Jason Simmons as his assistant.  Several culpable members of the special team’s blunder were also sent packing including arch villain Brandon Bostick, Jarrett Bush as well as linebackers A.J. Hawk and Brad Jones among others.

While his defensive coaches’ responsibilities remained largely in-tact, on the offensive side there were changes aplenty.

  • Tom Clements was promoted from Offensive Coordinator to associate head coach/offense and primary play-caller.
  • Edgar Bennett was promoted to offensive coordinator, promoted from receivers coach.
  • Alex Van Pelt was promoted from quarterbacks coach to quarterbacks/wide receivers coach.
  • Mike Solari was added as assistant offensive line coach (solid hire).
  • Mike McCarthy gave up his play-calling duties.

In theory McCarthy having less to worry about during games would allow him to concentrate on issues plaguing the defense and special teams.  The changes would allow his overall game-changing decisions to be even stronger.

“I felt that the play-calling is something that I could still be able to do," McCarthy said of his decision at the time, "but the commitment you have to make Monday through Saturday, I didn't think it fit, I didn't think it would work as good as I know it will work now with Tom (Clements), who's basically taking the responsibilities on offense that I've had in the past."

We now know that handing off the play-calling duties was a mistake.  So too were the coaching reassignments on the offensive side of the ball.  In hindsight all McCarthy really needed to do was replace Slocum and have Thompson get Capers the talent to run his complex 3 – 4 scheme.

Prior to the changes he had one position coach for receivers (Bennett), one for quarterbacks (VanPelt), one offensive coordinator (Clements) and the head coach McCarthy to oversee them all.  It was a classic pyramid organizational model which has worked so well in American business and most sports for decades. 

His changes created an inverse pyramid.  It was top-heavy and ineffective.  It robbed the players of the one thing that they needed the most – individual tutoring and instruction.  In its place McCarthy created a ‘more Chiefs than Indians’ coaching staff.  It also created an unclear path to the top with layers of management that didn’t work well together in part because it didn’t address the core needs of the players – clear direction. 

McCarthy in his dedication to process improvement has unwittingly created a mess for himself and his coaching staff which is now due for a shake-up. 

First he will have to tip the pyramid back on its base.

There is no room for Associate Head Coach Tom Clements.  Disgraced after having the play-calling duties yanked from him at mid-season – the second time that has happened to him, the first being at Buffalo - a change of scenery may be in order.  The fly-in-the-ointment is Clements strong relationship with Aaron Rodgers.

McCarthy will need to decide where Van Pelt’s value is and assign him there.  The guess is he stays on as quarterback’s coach and relinquishes coaching the receivers.  Van Pelt is highly thought of and considered a future offensive coordinator.

He will then need to find a receiver’s coach.  Bennett, considered a rising star, did a fine job there in the past, but does he add that job to his OC duties?  The guess is no – they bring in a qualified assistant from the outside to work with the young and talented group.

And then there are the wildcards; what happens if Ben McAdoo doesn’t land the head coaching position in New York?  Or ex-Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin remains unemployed?  Both highly respected men had a big impact on the Packers' offense in the past and may be too good to pass up.  Additionally both men are highly regarded by Aaron Rodgers.

Whatever his decisions might be, McCarthy is sure to be second-guessed.  What won’t be questioned is that he needs to remain the offensive play-caller. 

The remainder of the shake-up will begin shortly after the season’s end.  There could be more than the few mentioned above.  Hang on to your seats, the ride is about to get bumpy.

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MarkinMadison's picture

Inverse pyramid. Nail. Head.

Can't demote guys you want to keep. Probably don't want to part with guys who you know can succeed if given the right job duties. A lot of guys are going to be frustrated. We'll see if they have any other options.

Bearmeat's picture

This is the best article I've read on the Packers all year.

Slow. Clap. Kudor sir.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Can't demote guys you want to keep"

This is exactly the reason why Roles and Job Titles should be different things.

ray nichkee's picture

When McCarthy vows to change things, it happens. When he gave up play calling it was to focus better on all 3 sides. The offense took a huge hit. He will make it better. We're just waiting for the statement.

WKUPackFan's picture

Decisions made in the wake of catastrophic events, without proper reflection, are often erroneous.

Tundraboy's picture

Sage advice

Nick Perry's picture

I asked a few of these very questions before the Redskins game. This is going to be tricky because each coach has failed to some degree in their new positions. Bennett as an OC hasn't worked. Teams started to figure out his game plans by week 5 and hasn't seemed to be able to adjust, I mean these are his game plans on Sundays. After a promotion to OC I have to doubt he'd be willing to step back to be the WR coach, unless it's as an Assistant HC/WR Coach. If so then great, the WR coach is solved.

Clements I believe has to go. Rodgers just needs to understand Clements time in Green Bay is up, period end of story . Clements Reputation has taken a hit again as a play caller. Maybe he's just nothing more than a QB coach. But I don't believe after all this time you make him a QB coach again. Can you???

Van Pelt stays as QB coach ONLY.

Bring BACK Joe Philbin as OC. Philbin would be an excellent addition, one that works well with Rodgers and is respected in Green Bay. I think McAdoo is hired before Sunday.

MarkinMadison's picture

I didn't agree with you then because I'm not sure that these ARE Bennett's game plans. I'm not sure to what degree he is really acting as OC at all. Do we really know this?

Nick Perry's picture

I'm not compelely sure whre I had read it but I remember reading it only a short time ago. I found another article that I read (I'm sure you might have too) that REALLY summed up the Packers offensive problems.

Tundraboy's picture

I agree hiring Philbin would be my preferred choice, and it would smooth over loss of Clements for Rodgers. Not sure if he wants to return, but I do not see him getting a HC job anytime soon.

Horse's picture

Great summary, Jeff.

RCPackerFan's picture

I really never gave it much thought until late in the season that one of the biggest problems with the offense maybe what this article is about.

I do expect to see them at the very least hire a WR coach. Get things more back to the way they were before.

I have heard many times before that Philbin was one of the key members to the offense that made it great because he challenged McCarthy. It would be great to have him back. The question is where would he fit in? Would he take a position as a position coach? Would he come in as an offensive coordinator? What happens to Clements and Bennett then?

I do expect to see some changes made this offseason.

CallingIt's picture

Only way I see it is Clements and Bennet go. Maybe move Edgar into the front office. Bring back Philbin as OC and hey, how about Donald Driver as WR coach?

Tundraboy's picture

Good plan

RCPackerFan's picture

I just have a feeling that Clements will be gone. Edgar I think will stay one way or another.

Here is another question, I seen that the Colts reached out to Philbin a job as their OL coach. Would Philbin come back to Green Bay to be their QB or WR coach?

I always thought Driver could make a great WR coach. I don't know if he has any interest in doing it, but he definitely would be a good asset if he decided to become one.

croatpackfan's picture

Finally excellent article on Packers issue, Jeff. This season movement inside coaches positions showed us all very clear that Peters principle is true thing (every person advance to the level of its own incompetence!).
I hope Packers will find new, better solutions. I think re-hiring will not be good. Any of us is not any more what we were yesterday. So, I say move into new direction! Find new competent and fresh people. That should be the best!

Tundraboy's picture

"In hindsight all McCarthy really needed to do was replace Slocum and have Thompson get Capers the talent to run his complex 3 – 4 scheme."

That and go back to being as agressive and dynamic on offense and not settling for FGs throughout the game.

Packer_Pete's picture

I am still trying to figure out what Edgar Bennett's job actually is. Not his job description, his actual job. If it really is game planning, then I think the past few weeks showed that he is inept at best, given the dismal starts and especially 2nd quarters of games, and only success when the offense was in desperation mode in the 2nd half. He may be a good or even very good WR coach, but OC is a step too high for him. So in that case, it may not be Clements who has to go but Bennett.

Combining QB and WR coaching positions may sound good on paper, but it seems that if the strategy is draft & develop, individual coaching for WRs is a key component, and that of course will lack. At the same time, do Tolzien and Hundley get good individual QB coaching either? we don't know as they don't play, but my guess would be no. So one necessary change would be having separate QB and WR coaches, as you've already eluded to.

We have also seen that STs improved, and the D was alright this season, so I am not sure there have to be changes there. I know the #firedom crowd will be howling at that, but the D is good enough to win the SB, combined with an O the Packers have had for the past 5 seasons or so.

But I think what else stood out to me is what great influence McCarthy had over the past offenses. Once he gave up some responsibilities and wanted to help STs and D get better (and that worked), the O regressed considerably. Meaning the people who were mainly in charge of the O can't do it! At least not without McCarthy. so I hope some posters here at least admit that, especially the ones who like to beat on him every single post.

My final thought is to not bring Philbin back. Where would he fit in? He'd just be another chief. Plus, I did manage to see a few Dolphins games when he was in charge there, and the Offense was brutal to watch. So I don't think his influence was a big on O for the Packers as people may want to make it sound. And it was not that the O was getting worse when he left, after all he was in Miami starting in 2012. Yet the O troubles really started this year. So I think it is enough evidence to show that the O worked just fine without him from 2012 - 14. And please let's not return to his great concept of the ZBS...

lebowski's picture

wow, you must have posted this while I was typing my post on Bennett. I agree on not bringing Philbin back, too. Talk about making a top heavy pyramid even MORE top heavy...

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Combining QB and WR coaching positions may sound good on paper"

Yeah that experiment needs to tip over onto the scrap heap of Packers History.

Bennett did a great job of coaching the WRs before so whatever his title is he should just go back to doing that work. Not so sure about Van Pelt, every time I see him on the side line he appears to be staring off into the distance. I never really see him (small sample set acknowledged) on the bench next to Rodgers or talking to a WR.

lebowski's picture

Edgar Bennett did a solid job with our running backs , and despite the odd choice of making him wide receivers coach he did well there too. As our offense went in the tank this year, strangely he seemed to be insulated from criticism. I heard it's McCarthy's fault, Clements fault, the receivers' fault, Rodgers fault, etc, but I don't think I ever once read any blame on the new offensive coordinator. I know Van Pelt has had offers for O coordinator interviews that the Pack declined, maybe he would have been a better choice. Will be interesting to see what happens this offseason as we try to keep up with the purple.

Razer's picture

Interesting view Lebowski, particularly the last statement about keeping up with the purple. Via all those high round picks, Minnesota has built a solid team and now have a good coach to go with the talent. If Brigdewater gets over the hump the race will get faster. I saw where Zimmer fired their O-line coach shortly after their loss. He isn't waiting around for his coaches to develop or cross-training them beyond the team's need.

lebowski's picture

They worry me. A lot of talk about how bad their O line is, but they'll be getting back a very solid center in Sullivan and a good right tackle in Loadholt next year. If they shore up the left tackle spot and get a big receiver for Teddy, look out. The D is already young, fast and good. Makes me sad...

CallingIt's picture

Lebowski, playing tough opponents isn't a bad thing. Makes for good football and strong rivalries. I feel bad for any team that's pupetually in the cellar. Their fans are every day folks like everyone else. Isn't much fun kicking dirt in the face of teams that can't defend themselves. Come on, look at how much fun it is to beat Seattle now.

bears suck forever's picture

I am available

Razer's picture

The Peter Principle outlines how managers rise to the level of their incompetence. I am not sure that it absolutely applies here but my sense is that McCarthy put the wrong people in the wrong position. In doing so, he has confused a lot of his offense, particularly his star QB. Talk about messing up your engine. Tom Clements in your head and Van Pelt stirring the WR and QB into a big stew. What Bennett does, I have no idea - book the meeting rooms.

Unfortunately, McCarthy has painted himself into a corner. Clements can only go back - but to where. Van Pelt has shown little ability to handle Rodgers both mechanically and emotionally. Van Pelt has done a good job with the WR's - they are covered. RB's have regressed. Do we have TEs on this team?

All this happened less than a year ago. The big question - will McCarthy's ego let him see the mess that he created? And, how is he going to fix it without further damaging the team?

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Van Pelt has done a good job with the WR's" Really?

Talking about the Peter Principle around here may get you ruthlessly down voted :)

Razer's picture

Sorry for attempting some subtle humor. I'll use caps next time :)

Van Pelt has done a good job with the WRs - HE'S GOT THEM COVERED.

Idiot Fan's picture

I was going to say the same thing, but you beat me to it. I think there's definitely a bit of Peter Principle going here. It's hard to necessarily say who, since it's hard for us to tell who does what. There may be some tough coaching losses after this year, since I think all of our coaches do provide some skill and knowledge. But the question is where they fit in. I'm not a FIRE EVERYBODY kind of person, but I agree that a restructuring is probably in order.

lebowski's picture

Also I take issue with calling out Jarrett Bush as a special teams problem. He was pretty much the only thing special teams had going for them for the past 5 years.

egbertsouse's picture

Jarrett Bush being a top-notch special teams player is a myth. if you look at his ratings at PFF or anywhere else and he rates as merely adequate. Teddy just had a man-crush on him for years.

pacman's picture

Coaching is the one thing that fans don't see directly so it is hard to comment on.

It is probably true that MM will again shake things up after this season. (but what if we win the SB? :) ). So once again we see that MM is unwilling to change things during the season. Ok, he took back play calling. That was big. But Packers went 4-6 in their last 10 games. Hmmm.

Changing things mid-season is tough. But once again, everyone knew something was wrong with offense and he let the season slip away. Maybe after those losses to the Bears and Lions, he should have just flipped all the coaches back. Too drastic? He's going to do it after the season anyway. Something wasn't working and he didn't change it. Why wait that long? Unless he just keeps blaming the WR for not getting open.

egbertsouse's picture

I'm waiting to see if Tightwad Ted learns something from this season. Such as the need for some quality back-ups in the O-line or possibly hitting the trade or FA market when your No. 1 receiver goes down for the year. Maybe understanding that getting a veteran is worth parting with your precious 5th and 6th round draft choices when circumstances warrant. I generally agree with "draft and develop" but hope Teddy learns to be a little flexible.

Evan's picture

"or possibly hitting the trade or FA market when your No. 1 receiver goes down for the year."

Didn't he do exactly that with James Jones?

Packer_Pete's picture

Exactly! People seem to think in August there are hundreds of AllPro players at all positions available, just waiting for someone on a team to go down.
And of course, all of those AllPros are also willing to take minimum vet contracts. I think a reality check is needed.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Yeah nobody thinks that. They think that there are some free agents who are better than MD Jennings or whatever other washout OLB that Thompson has earmarked to fuck up at ILB. And you know what, there are better guys than those dudes for not a lot of money. As far I am concerned TT rolling MD Jennings out there wastes the entire Packers Payroll.

Packer_Pete's picture

Ok, I respect your opinion. But then please tell me who was available in August who could've helped the Packers right away.
MD Jennings wasn't on the roster since end of 2013, so I'm not sure why this is brought up in this thread and my reference to August 2015. As far as I know, the safety position looks very solid now for the Packers.

Also with respect to the ILB position, Barrington and CMIII were the starters for 2015. Nobody could plan for Barrington to go on IR after the first game. Problem is, one cannot have backups for every position group who could be solid starters in the NFL. Otherwise, they wouldn't be backups to begin with.
For OLB, the Packers have an exceptional depth for an NFL team. For ILB, not so much. One could argue Ted should've traded one of the OLBs for a ILB, but what if then a couple of the OLBs would've gone down? And what ILB is a team to trade a the beginning of a season? Most likely not a solid starter but a backup.

Problem is, we fans always think we know everything. But we don't. None of us can say what position group will take the biggest hit with injuries in 2016. And as a result, what position group Ted should sign or draft very good backups for. After all, who could've predicted that at one point, every single starter on OL would be on the injury report in the same week in 2015?

Tundraboy's picture

Too many chiefs is right. Having to promote people to keep them is a big problem now,so some will have to go. Who? Who knows. Bennett can't go backward. He was very good as RB and WR. Now with Clements etc, there is a OC committee, and committees in a fast changing sport are doomed to failure. In game decision making ability is paralyzed. Don't know how it will shake out, but the important thing is admitting mistakes were made. Now let's beat Arizona!!

Since '61's picture

I think that we will definitely see a split in the WRs and QB coach and we should. I never like the idea of combining position coaches. I don't know if Clements stays in GB or not but he has been there a while and MM is loyal to his people. On the defensive side I would like to see the Packers speak to Lovie Smith about the DC job. I know the defense improved this season but Lovie is younger than Capers and his defenses have always had a nasty attitude. It probably won't happen and TT probably would not want to pay him anyway but I wish they would consider it at least. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

CallingIt's picture

Capers is probably here until he chooses to leave. You know, its really hard to find someone really good at his job to be content with it and not feel the need to move up. For me, if I'm the best at what I do, and we keep winning championships. It doesn't get better than that.

No one ever wants to stick around anymore. Always looking for something better. Don't get no better than Green Bay. Any coach in his right mind would love to be a part of this organization. If he doesn't, he is welcome to go work for Cleveland.

Packer_Pete's picture

Competitive people always want to move up. I am not sure someone is content to be just a position coach, when some other team could offer a HC or coordinator position (which also comes with a significant raise in pay). That also means one can not only have his opinions heard but also has the power to implement those. And there may also be satisfaction in improving a bottom feeder team. Every NFL team has talent on the roster. Going to a bad team also means that they most likely have high draft choices. And sometimes, bringing in an exceptional player improves the whole team. And sometimes, a coach makes all the difference.

Even though I don't like Harbaugh, look at the 49ers. Bottom feeders for most of the early 2000s. But always have had high draft choices then. Brought in Harbaugh, he had 3 really good years. He is gone, team is in shambles again, even though that had also other reasons such as top players retiring. But he definitely improved that team big time. Just think about their failed experiment with Singletary! Harbaugh took a Singletary 6-10 team (well 5-10, as Tomsula won the last game as interim HC, and they've had 5 probowlers on that team!) and immediately took them to a 13-3 record.

CallingIt's picture

PP, I'm not suggesting everyone take a position and never move up. I'm referring to a rare breed that finds their niche and go with it.

Experience should be cultivated and leveraged for long term success for sure. Some guys are DC's, some are OC"s and some have the gift of managing the big picture. I think you need to find your personal sweet spot then take it to the limit!

Not all coordinators have what it takes to be the head guy. No problem with that. Some are and there have been some good ones. The NFL is riddled with cast off head coaches who never should have taken the promotion to begin with. Guess you just have to know your limitations and your strengths.

Since '61's picture

Agree, Capers is probably not going anywhere. Thanks, Since '61

dobber's picture

Lovie Smith has been a 4-3 guy throughout his career...or, maybe more correctly, his teams have always run a 4-3 while he's been HC. That doesn't mean he couldn't coach a 3-4, but I don't see this team making a major scheme change on defense when the parts finally seem to be coming together.

Tundraboy's picture

No need to play around with the D. I think that would be the last thing to do now. Call Lovie sure, but no change to scheme should be considered Continue to focus on adding talent starting at ILB.

Rossonero's picture

Joe Whitt wants to be a DC. I think he'd be a good choice.

Since '61's picture

I would support Whitt as DC. Maybe he is the succession plan for Capers and that is why the Packers have blocked him from interviews in previous seasons. Thanks, Since '61

Rossonero's picture

I hope the Packers have plans for him! We've lost Philbin and McAdoo and I don't see either one returning any time soon.

Tundraboy's picture

Great point. They should give him a call, but how do they do that with Capers this year after he has seemingly righted the ship. Interesting idea.

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

I don't want to play a tampa 2 defense, ewwwwww. We'd have to draft all new defensive personnel too. Capers>Lovie

Rossonero's picture

Don't forget about Joe Whitt. Remember, in 2012, after Reggie McKenzie left Green Bay for Oakland, he asked for permission to interview Joe Whitt. The Packers blocked it, but Whitt's contract may be up this year. Whitt wants to be a defensive coordinator, but he may never get his chance if Capers stays on longer.

Razer's picture

I think Joe Whitt is the real deal. We keep throwing new bodies at him and he keeps getting them ready for prime time play. What he has done with our secondary this season is remarkable. Maybe we could designate him combined DB and WR coach. Wonder how that would work...

Rossonero's picture


balding_pastor's picture

I was just going to comment on Whitt. What an amazing job he's done this year in getting 3 1st year players game ready and productive. Even Gunter has gotten played in the dime. He needs to be retained if at all possible.

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

He hasn't been able to make Demetri Goodson a serviceable player for the secondary. But then again, I don't think anyone could.

Tundraboy's picture

Unrelated, I was hoping NFL network would replay last week's game, instead of constantly showing Seattle and Cincinnati games, so now they are replaying Packers /Steelers superbowl. Couldn't help but notice Nick Collins and how much faster Raji played.

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

Raji's speed, at least when chasing down RBs, has really surprised me this year.

Tundraboy's picture

I agree. Hope his groin is healed. We need him Saturday.

PaulRosik's picture

There is no doubt that the wake of all the injuries on this team have been a factor in the offensive woes. No Nelson, Quarless and Montgomery and nicks on the rest of the pass catchers. Lacy has been banged up with some malady or another all year and the offensive line is a veritable MASH unit of injuries.

But we can't underestimate the impact coaching changes have also had on this team. To our eyes as fans there has been a lack of adjustments made for these issues. The approach has really seemed to be to wait around for the offense they expected to finally show up.

The question of who is in charge of the game plans is an interesting one. All season we have put blame on McCarthy, Clements, Rodgers and the receivers. But Bennett does seem to get out unscathed on this. Maybe he progressed too far too quickly and was not ready for this role as game planner.

Lphill's picture

As much as I like Edgar Bennett I don't think he is a true OC , I would rather he Be running backs coach and maybe bring in Donald Driver as receivers coach over Van pelt.

zoellner25's picture

Hire Antonio Freeman as WR coach. there, done.

Tundraboy's picture

Not sure he has much to offer today's players.

Dan Stodola's picture

Just way to early for this article. Packers are in the playoffs, lets talk about that. Changes? Yes, significant changes? Don't see it.

Tundraboy's picture

True. Hoping it's not going to be a long off season this year but we will have plenty of time to discuss either way.

Icebowler's picture

Did Ben McAdoo call the plays for the Giants?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I think it is difficult for fans to assess positional coaches. All I know is very roughly the talent that is provided (but not how coachable each prospect is) and the results. To wit: UDFAs turn into good CBs, as do 1st-4th rounders (Pun Intended). Whitt is good. At TE, our TEs can't block and I can't remember the last good blocking TE (no, Crabtree was just okay at it). That is on Fontenot. Lacy became a complete back in terms of pass pro and receiving and Starks improved under Bennett and Gash. Now ball security is another matter. Bennett/Van Pelt did not do much with Adams and Janis, but Bennett at least can take some credit for Cobb's excellent rookie year and development, maybe some for Nelson, though I think the light came on for Nelson late in 2010 (Bennett became WR coach in 2011). Don't know what to make of Boykin in terms of coaching. Clearly AR regressed: tough on Van Pelt to coach an already great player since it is difficult to improve the player - essentially there is only maintaining the QB's performance and regression as probable outcomes. Linsley has regressed: I don't know if he too is injured, or if he is implementing changes (often one regresses initially when changing something), so jury is out on Solari, despite his excellent reputation.

I was for MM relinquishing play-calling but against giving it to Clements, who I noted had failed miserably in Buffalo. I have no idea how much influence Bennett has vs. Clements vs. AR vs. MM in making up the game plan, how often AR audibles, who determines the personnel changes, etc.

WKUPackFan's picture

You're up early tgr. How are the children, you still have a high schooler, correct? I hope you all had a great holiday break.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Thanks, all is well. My high schooler will be taking driving lessons soon! I've got a car waiting for him and can't wait to hand him keys and a gas card (the higher insurance OTOH is something else, but I know what I am in for due to my older boy). I've no qualms about it with this child.

Hope all is well with you and yours. I have the feeling that we've been disagreeing a tad more often lately - not sure which of us is off his game! The important thing is that we can disagree and still be friendly and civil.

Visu Labu velot - ata! [Wishing you all the best - bye!]

WKUPackFan's picture

I worry every time my college freshman leaves the driveway.

It's all cool on possible disagreements. I get a little heated when Archie, Big T, and D Ernesto are around.

WKUPackFan's picture

McAdoo is going to be named the Giants HC today. Apparently the Eagles also wanted him (per PFT). I still recall McAdoo being the one coach yelling at Boykin to run the ball in on the weird fumble play in Chicago.

Replacing talent like that is difficult.

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