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Packers begin conducting coaching interviews, starting with Chuck Pagano and Jim Caldwell

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Packers begin conducting coaching interviews, starting with Chuck Pagano and Jim Caldwell

-- Still, with one game left on the schedule this season, the Green Bay Packers have already gotten a jumpstart on finding the franchise's next head coach.

The only thing that is known so far is that two interviews were recently conducted. One of which, according to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, was with former Indianapolis and Detroit Lions coach Jim Caldwell. The other, reported by Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, was with former Colts coach Chuck Pagano.

NFL regulations state that teams can't interview coaches of other teams during the season or if said team has a spot in the playoffs. Once the season ends and the playoff seeding is fully determined, however, everyone is fair game. The Packers will certainly take a crack at many of the other highly touted names across the league.

Caldwell, 63, first broke into the NFL in 2001 as a quarterbacks coach for Tony Dungy's Tampa Bay Buccaneers after serving the previous 25 seasons as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

After a lone season in Tampa Bay, Caldwell spent the next 10 seasons finding a home in Indianapolis where he worked closely with Peyton Manning as a quarterbacks coach and assistant head coach, before taking on the full-time head-coaching role in 2009.

The Colts went to the Super Bowl in Caldwell's first season as their coach, but his stint only lasted three seasons. A quick session in Baltimore with the then-Super Bowl champion Ravens ultimately landed him with the Detroit Lions, where he regularly met Aaron Rodgers' Packers for the next four seasons.

Caldwell has a 62-50 record as a head coach and was 2-4 in the postseason. He has two Super Bowl rings (2006, 2012) from his time on the Colts' staff as an assistant coach and as an offensive coordinator with the Ravens.

Similar to Caldwell, Pagano landed in the NFL in 2011 as a secondary coach with the Cleveland Browns. He had 18 years of prior experience in college as an assistant coach and coordinator.

Pagano worked with the Oakland Raiders defensive backs for two seasons before venturing back to the collegiate circuit in 2007 to be a defensive coordinator at North Carolina. He was back in the NFL a year later, spending the next three years as a secondary coach and, eventually, defensive coordinator for the Ravens.

Where both candidates tie in together: Pagano succeeded Caldwell as the Colts' head coach in 2012, challenged with the task of working with a rookie quarterback in Andrew Luck.

The first-year project with Luck didn't go quite the way Pagano had planned. For a large part of the season -- roughly three months -- Pagano underwent treatment for leukemia. Remarkably, he returned to coach the Colts' final game of the season, leading them to their 11th win and guiding them into the playoffs.

Pagano, now 58, spent his final season with the Colts in 2017 and has since been out of the league.

Both candidates have their strengths that could prove serviceable in aiding the Packers, with Pagano's more so geared towards formulating a strong pass defense. They're more than likely going to keep a wide array of options open as they enter the early, critical part of the offseason campaign where a lot of teams won't take very long to add to the stockpiling list of free agent coaches.

The Packers are coming off of a 44-38 overtime victory over the New York Jets and have the Lions in town this Sunday. Interim head coach Joe Philbin is expected to be one of the Packers' leading candidates for the coaching vacancy.

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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Bure9620's picture

I for one am less confident in our FO.............hopefully these are the "get em out of the way interviews"...... This teams needs a type A personality that commands a room and Rodgers respect. Rodgers would walk all over these 2. This does not inspire confidence in Murphy as "Football Guy"..

albert999's picture

rooney rule interview and murphy friend interview on the other
kicking tires boys

Bure9620's picture

I dont think you kick tires on bad coaches to see if they can still coach poorly, there are also plenty of avenues to satisfy the Rooney rule, you don't interview "non-candidates"

albert999's picture

murphy does

Bure9620's picture

Touché

Bert's picture

No and no.

albert999's picture

Interview Joe Lombardi
Keep Pettine

Bure9620's picture

Lombardi flamed out as an OC, he's coaching Brees but not sure he is the best candidate

Savage57's picture

Unless Joe Lombardi has completely lost his mind, there's no way he gives the Packers HC job any more than a passing thought.

The pressure to live up to his grandfather's legacy of success would be crushing.

Bert's picture

Agree Savage. I remember the days of Starr and Gregg when we tried to resurrect the ghost of Lombardi and relive the greatness of the 60's and failed for years. Well it's 2018/19. Pick the best HC candidate and start a new legacy...…..we hope.

albert999's picture

Fire the rest monday

albert999's picture

lombardi........maybe our new qb coach?

FTS Messamore's picture

I see Murphy and Gute going for a younger more energetic type than the cool, calm collected personalities these two bring.

fthisJack's picture

watching Caldwell coach a game was like watching paint dry.

jdpete's picture

I watched Caldwell coach the Lions. He never changed his expression no matter what. The team regressed game by game. No enthusiasm whatsoever. No direction. It was like he was a disinterested spectator.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Chuck Pagano and Jim Caldwell"

WTF!

Then again, why not start sharpening up the interviewing process with a couple of dry runs?

Coldworld's picture

That assumes they are dry runs rather than a window into the FO mindset. What basis do we have for that assumption?

Guam's picture

Hope. I refuse to believe these are legitimate candidates. I am also an unbridled optimist...…...

Bure9620's picture

Ya I don't how you give someone an interview they would not be a legitimate candidate, which is why these interviews give me pause.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Same basis you have to assume. Let's not pretend you're not here assuming quite often.

HoLeCrap's picture

Both of these guys have something in common, they are yes men to the fullest and will take the job and then ask how do you want me to coach up this team.
Both are terrible picks for the packers.
They need youth and spirit. Obviously they arent waiting for the top assistants still involved in the upcoming playoffs, like McDaniels.
Too bad for Packer fans but the brass is looking for has beens on your behalf

fthisJack's picture

say what????

Dash Riprock's picture

"The Colts went to the Super Bowl in Caldwell's first season as their coach."

He also has two super bowl rings and is African American. I guess I forgot about this guy but he's absolutely perfect for this job. A very nice diverse fit for Green Bay. He's also a very quiet man like Ray Rhodes was. Not a yeller and screamer which is something Aaron Rodgers responds well too. I think I would go with this guy. As far as rings go, you probably won't find another coach with more than Caldwell. Isn't this what it's all about? Sign the man before he gets away!!

Old School's picture

It's going to be Philbin.

First, Rodgers comes out in support of him. Today, it's Davante Adams. If Philbin finishes 3-1, I'd bet a six pack of PBR he'll get the job.

Experienced, familiar to the organization, endorsed by our highest profile players...…..I think the rest of this stuff is just process.

Bure9620's picture

Just a 6 pack? Why not a 30 trasher for $15?

fthisJack's picture

I don't have a problem with Philbin EXCEPT that he probably will not fire anyone from the current staff when there are some that need to be replaced.....our commander of ST first and foremost! he is horrific!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I'm not gunning for Philbin, but he already fired 1 coach.

flackcatcher's picture

You could be right. It all depends on how close the front office thinks this team is to being playoff bound again. I hope the call rests with Gute. I have no faith in Murphy, with how he single handily mess up the player personal department.

Nick Perry's picture

Hiring Philbin IS a possibility, especially if Rodgers is endorsing him. Another reason Philbin might be a strong candidate is Zac Taylor is his Son in Law.

Now I'll be the first to admit I don't know all the rules of one team hiring away another teams coaches. BUT IIRC the Packers could for example hire Taylor away from the Rams as their OC since he's the Rams QB coach and that's a promotion. TGR would be able to answer this better than I but I believe that's how it go's.

What I'm unsure of can the Rams promote Taylor to OC before the Packers even have a chance to make such a move? BUT if the Packers could hire Taylor they've suddenly got a very creative mind running the offense with Philbin who's worked for the coach EVERYBODY is looking for in the NFL.

If AR has a say in this and I think we'd be fooling ourselves to think he doesn't, Joe Philbin is a possibility.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

WTF is right!

Who are any of us to know how well these two do in interviews? They each have worked with some of the best QB's in the league and some of all time. Just because they are not in their 30's and 40's and coming straight from college ranks doesn't mean they aren't excellent coaches.

I for one will let the process play out and I am sure the Pack know what they are doing.

Coldworld's picture

After the last 5 years of roster and coach mismanagement at worst, at best directionless drift, I am not so sure.

Jonathan Spader's picture

That Pettine guy that they hired worked out pretty well.

NJMagic's picture

Just signed in today to see the hilarious outraged posts. I almost think the Philbin-Pagano-Caldwell news was just for the sheer pleasure of watching Packers nation have a hilarious meltdown.

Next up- Leslie Frazier and Lovie Smith!

I think I'll stay calm until the other candidates are allowed to interview after Bowl games and NFL playoffs.

Rak47's picture

The only thing Lovie Smith and Leslie Frazier have in common with Caldwell is their ethnicity and the fact they were all HC's. It ends there as Caldwell has proven himself head and shoulders above Smith and Frazier as a HC, as well as a bunch of others. The only thing that gives me any pause with Caldwell is the fact he's 63 years old. If he was 10- 15 years younger with his current resume he'd be my top choice or at least one of them.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I don't know. I am not excited about Pagano.

I don't know. I am not excited about Caldwell.

I don't know. I am not excited about Philbin.

Bure9620's picture

Ya, no excitement, Murphy needs to stick to his magical Titletown project and let Gute hire a coach.

Dash Riprock's picture

So tell me The great reynoldo exactly who excites you? Give me names of some men that excite you for head coach?

Bure9620's picture

Pat Fitzgerald

Nick Perry's picture

OMG Bure9620.... NO! That is the name that SCARES the hell out of me.

Bearmeat's picture

Why?

I think Fitzgerald would be great..

And these two interviews are just Rooney rule and a personal friend interview. NBD. Unless he hires one of them. Then I'm pissed. Haha.

Coldworld's picture

Personal friend interviews are scary by their very nature. Typically not undertaken lightly if not serious.

Since '61's picture

Any time a college HC name comes up I can't help but think of Dan Devine and the complete disaster that he was for the Packers. I can't get behind the idea of a college coach coming in again. Thanks, Since '61

Rak47's picture

I'm sure you're not the only one, but check out Pete Dougherty's article on college coaches with no NFL experience. Maybe reading it from someone other than myself or other posters on this thread may help you see why the name Fitzgerald scares the crap out of him as well as me, and rightfully so. After you read it you can tell us how he will become the 3rd college coach with no NFL experience since the 1970 AFL/NFL merger to have any NFL success. That is if you still feel that way. Of the dozens of college prodigies [who people thought were going to be great coaches] hired by NFL GM's only Jimmy Johnson, and Don Coryell made it work. I'll be pissed if they bring Fitzgerald to GB. We don't have 2-3 years for this guy to figure it out, maybe if Rodgers was on his rookie deal but now, HELL NO!!!!!!
www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/12/27/dougherty...

Rak47's picture

It would probably 10 times easier for a High School coach to step up to coaching a major college program successfully with no prior college experience than for a college coach with no NFL experience to jump to the NFL successfully. But you've never seen it and probably never will as Major college AD's are not that freaking stupid.

Bure9620's picture

High school coaches don't recruit, so no it would not be

Rak47's picture

In what world do you live in buddy? I've had HS coaches lined up trying to get both my oldest boys to come to their schools after playing AAU football and basketball. And I'm not close to being the only one in that boat, I've had out of state powerhouse coaches talk to me about my kids coming to their schools while having people lined up to board them. Sorry Bure, but when it comes to HS recruiting you have no idea. How the hell do you think they become Powerhouses and dominate decade after decade? Do you think their school district just produce genetic stars continually on end?

Dash Riprock's picture

Rak em'!!

Bure9620's picture

Actually I PLAYED D1 hockey and was recruited so, I know a bit

Bure9620's picture

You cannot seriously be comparing AAU recruiting to The NCAA? College coaches are restricted with no contact periods and college recruiting is totally different, not simply "hey kid come play here." The rules change constantly as well, when I was recruited, before texting, the no contact periods were more strict. In fact, Michigan St. was given a "minor warning" for calling my house too early in the summer between my junior and senior year. In addition, you had to be cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse, which took months. High school and AAU coaches deal with none of this.

Bure9620's picture

There are several anonymous quotes from front office people around the league that would have Fitzgerald near the top of their lists, but many don't bother because they figure he wants to coach NU, the Packers would be a unique opportunity for him. What Fitzgerald has done at Northwestern is nothing short of spectacular. With the academic recruiting restrictions his player pool is more than cut in half. Northwestern had been to 6 bowls in their 100 plus year history before he got there, he's put them in 8 in 13 years, he had them playing for the BIG title and won unanimous BIG coach of the year. His player development has been outstanding. NU has no business competing with Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan or Ohio St. He has them punching way above their weight class. Murphy has already hired Fitz once, he could pull the trigger again.

Fitzgerald is smart, he's a type A personality that can reign in Rodgers, he has energy, commands a room. He's a defensive mind so he would need to hire a playcaller.

packergal's picture

Bure9620,

Have to agree with you.
I believe Fitz may fit the profile I posted well below yours.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

How post gets 2 downvotes is beyond me.

LeotisHarris's picture

Agreed, Fitzgerald is smart and can command a room filled with smart Northwestern kids playing college football. He's guided a program that typically doesn't have success to a new level. That's exciting. It also kind of makes him the world's tallest dwarf (apologies to those with dwarfism). He's in no way wired for success in the NFL.

Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, Chip Kelly, Dennis Erickson, Nick Saban, Bobby Patrino, and on and on were ALL successful college coaches over many seasons. They fell flat in the NFL. It's a different game with different athletes, and it requires a different skill set.

Pat has a good deal going at Northwestern. He should stay there.

Bure9620's picture

The majority of College coaches would have a difficult time in the NFL I agree but there are a few that have the skills to translate to the NFL. I dont like the premise that "No college coach is qualified because others failed." There are 4 college coaches that can make the transition, Pat Fitzgerald, David Shaw, Chris Peterson and Brian Kelly, That's it. Maybe Lincoln Riley but he's more likley an OC.

This is NOT Spurrier or Saban

Rak47's picture

Wow, very original. Let's hire Murphy's first hire as NW athletic director. Let's forget the fact he has zero NFL experience on any level coaching, wth he can learn as he goes because we have a 20 year window with Rodgers. Sorry, but the window really isn't 20 years and I don't want another college guru like Steve Spurrier coming to GB and killing any chance to win a SB before Rodgers retires. We need a coach with a proven track record in the NFL, not one who needs 2-3 years to figure things out in the world of NFL football.

Bure9620's picture

Fitgerald is nothing lilke Spurrier

Rak47's picture

You're right he has less than half the resume with no conference titles much less National Championships. No coach guarantees success but the percentages go way up when hiring a coach with NFL experience. I know many fans automatically think Fitzgerald will come to the NFL and own it which is laughable. Hell, Bill Belichik spent years with Bill Parcells and still failed in Cleveland on his first attempt at HC'ing. Fortunately for Pats fans they had enough sense to hire what clueless fans love to call a "rehire". Maybe they should've went after that hot college coach the fans all wanted at the time, like Spurrier, or Lloyd Carr, that would've worked out well, lol. I don't want ANY college coach who has no experience in the NFL learning on the job when we have 5-6 years of Rodgers left at best. Fitzgerald, Riley, Swinney or any of the other college coaches are going to come in and take their welcome to the NFL lumps before they have any success. Please name one, just one fucking college HC not named Jimmy Johnson who has come to the NFL and won a SB or even made the playoffs with no NFL experience. If you can it will be by far the exception and not the rule. As far as I'm concerned you can keep your college coaches and your pipe dreams. Hiring a college coach and expecting to win immediately is like going into a basketball game and planning to win with a 75 foot 3 pointer at the buzzer. Sure it will happen once in about every hundred attempts, about the same percentage as college coach with no NFL experience succeeding in the NFL as a HC. Good luck with that.

Bure9620's picture

Yes Northwestern coach without a National championship, ???

NU will NEVER win a national championship, they should not even be competitive in the BIG.

Rak47's picture

So that's the criteria, take a coach who can make a college team competitive after 15 years on the job and make him the next Packer coach?

Bure9620's picture

They were competitive after a couple years, say what you want but the Packers like NW players primarily because of their player development. Ibreheim, Lowry, Vitale and Lancaster, Gute has already brought in 3 NW players in one year. You clearly do not follow college football at all. Its about player development.

Packerpasty's picture

and they are all JAGS...cant argue that...

Dash Riprock's picture

Rak em'!!

Daren726's picture

Amen. Three retreads. Rather keep interviewing.

PAPackerbacker's picture

This is just the beginning of the interview process. There are plenty more candidates that can be interviewed once the season is over. Just because these 2 coaches were interviewed doesn't mean these are the only 2 choices the Packers are interested in. There will be more candidates that may or may not be interested in coaching in Green Bay. This is just the start, not the final decision process. Plenty more choices and interviews to consider. I'm sure the Packers management know what they are looking for. Lots of time and many more candidates to be interviewed.

Bure9620's picture

Just go to Tuscaloosa and get Nick Saban, pay him what he wants, $10-12 million. He has nothing left to accomplish in College. Give him Aaron Rodgers and let's go win a damn Super Bowl. He and Rodgers can finish their careers together. Oh I just woke up........

jeepingmakooi's picture

Didn't saben flame put in the NFL?

Bure9620's picture

Yes

Rak47's picture

Yep, and so did Belechik in his first attempt. So what's your point? I can't think of one single coach in the NFL who hasn't been fired at some point. I guess they all suck, huh?

Ferrari Driver's picture

Saban was one of the worst flameouts in the NFL and bailed on the Dolphins. Said he would never coach Alabama again, the turned around and signed on. He won many championships at Alabama in the last 12 years since leaving the Dolphins and the NFL, but he also is able to pick from the best guys in the country for his school. Doesn't work that way in the NFL.

Not thanks on Saban.

Bure9620's picture

Yes I was Joking, won't happen

Donster's picture

Please no! Hopefully Murphy and Gute are getting the available, low possibility coaches out of the way early. Acme Packing Company has an interesting article on the reasons to keep Philbin. Some good points, along with an interesting prospect for the coach to take the OC job.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-head-coach-search-mike-mccart...

LeotisHarris's picture

Interesting article, thanks for posting the link.

Rak47's picture

Yes, ty Donster was an excellent read. I would not have a problem with them hiring Philbin if things went down the way Peter Bukowski suggest in the article. I believe Philbin would command the Players respect and do a better job with his experience than any coach in the college ranks.

Since '61's picture

Moving forward is fine. I'm not crazy about either one of these coaches but they are only interviews. A long way to go and plenty of names to go through before a final decision is made.

I'm hoping that the Packers decide on an offensive minded HC. If they hire a defensive HC and he brings in an OC who succeeds with AR another team would snatch up the OC in a season or two and then here we go again.

At least with an offensive HC even if we lose the OC we can still keep the new offense. Besides if we keep Pettine we have our DC we just need to get him some players especially OLBs and Safeties. Thanks, Since '61

packerbackerjim's picture

I would like to see Pettine as HC. Had experience in a floundering Browns organization. IIRC, Rodgers said he was impressed when Pettine addressed the team in camp. An OC who will collaborate with AR, an ST coach who is a little more than competent, and some skilled position coaches will go a very long way.

The TKstinator's picture

But Pettine stated he is not interested in becoming a HC again. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who is overly concerned with “saying the right thing”.

packerbackerjim's picture

If after the process concludes and Murphy isn’t blown away by someone else, I have no doubt he will have no trouble convincing a very persuadable Pettine to accept the HC offer.
As to that “denial”, what was he supposed to say “goddam right I’m after MMS job”?

packergal's picture

I want the Packers to hire the BEST HC possible.

To me, this translates into a HC that surrounds himself with extremely innovative OC, DC and ST Coaches who prepare a game plan each week that attacks the opposite team’s weaknesses and leverages the Packers strengths to execute the game plan.

The HC is then responsible to manage the performance of his coaching staff, versus staring at the first 15 scripted plays and standing by idly while the ST explodes week after week-- which results in 3 to 4 losses per season.

Clearly this requires fantastic OC, DC, ST selections—coaches who can communicate, teach, motivate and maximize the talents that GBP has-- to make executing the game plan rewarding and fun.

Did Coach MM or Coach Philbin fit the profile explained above? Nothing personal, but likely not.

Did Coaches Capers, Slocum, Zook etc. fit the profile explained above? Nothing personal again, but likely not.

Does DC Pettine fit this profile as DC? More likely yes than likely not.

I believe Gute and MM may examine how HC candidates view their roles, responsibilities and plans to execute winning--which may result in the best qualified HC possible.

And hopefully, the right HC will then identify and hire the OC, DC and ST coaches to make this work.

One can dream, Yes?

fthisJack's picture

I disagree about Philbin. back when he was OC for the Packers, their O was clicking on all cylinders. 2010, 2011 the offense was unstoppable. and now that he has replaced MM , I see the same 'move the chains' offense coming back. short passes picking up 5 or 6 yards at a crack and sprinkling in a run here and there to keep the D honest and 3rd down manageable and saving the bomb for the right circumstance (not 3rd and short). I would hope that if he was the guy, that he would replace certain unnamed position coaches and not keep any of MM trash.

Rak47's picture

I agree on Philbin but disagree on the staff. Read a quote from Pettine earlier today saying this is probably the best overall coaching staff he's ever been a part of. And he's been part of some very good staffs.

4zone's picture

Not many coaches are available to interview yet. This is just getting started stuff. I don't care for either though.

albert999's picture

Philbin is a stronger candidate than most people think especially after hearing Rodgers latest locker room interview about coaches and players getting along?
Interesting!

scullyitsme's picture

I personally was not impressed when I heard the names, but if you actually look at Caldwell and what he achieved in Indy and the fact that he took a dumpster fire of a team in Detroit to the playoffs. Which no one has done before or after. I think he’s a legit candidate. I know I’ll get 20 thumbs down but look at his record before you bash me, thanks

Bure9620's picture

I don't disagree, the packers can just do much better, the nice guy coaches are not going to work with Rodgers.

albert999's picture

Philbin is as nice as it comes and Rodgers is having a ball right now

jeremyjjbrown's picture

They barely beat the Jets, man.

albert999's picture

yup
hideous

flackcatcher's picture

Jim Caldwell was an very good coach for Detroit, who was undermined by the front office there. I feel he would do just a equally good job at Green Bay. But the question for this team, is how close do they think they are to contending. I have no clue. Only Gute and team know, and they ain't talking. (My one wish is that any recommendation Mark Murphy makes, is treated with a TON of salt......:)

Dash Riprock's picture

Scully I also agreed he was a legit candidate and got 11 dislikes. They don't want an African American head coach with two super bowl rings. They want a young unknown white guy about 30 who can speak like Obama, dance like Justin Timberlake, make up plays on video games and cater to Aaron Rodgers' every desire. Now THAT is exciting to them. They aren't looking for results they are looking for a fantasy. The head coaching pool for their fantasy pick just doesn't appear to be there. Caldwell or Rex Ryan would be fine with me. I think in the end that Old School's prediction of Philbin will probably be the winner.

Rak47's picture

Can't get onboard with Rex but Caldwell, Philbin, are fine by me, especially if they keep Pettine.

albert999's picture

legit points on Caldwell
Jeff Fisher?

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Can I get an interview?

Johnblood27's picture

No

scullyitsme's picture

Guess what people, there isn’t a Shawn McVay out there this year. Also the packers aren’t bringing in a college coach to take on Rodgers( unless he’s spectacular and a cant miss, in which case we’d of heard of him by now). My guess is no matter who the coach is 80% of the people on this site will hate him initially. Re treads have worked in the past, belicheat is a retread. He sucked in Cleveland. I’d give odds that’s exactly what we will get.

The TKstinator's picture

1. How are supposed to know who the next Shawn McVay is?
2. Isn’t EVERY candidate with “experience” a retread?
3. So if “retreads” are no good, and a college coach with “no experience” is no good, what does that leave?
4. Winning cures all ills.

scullyitsme's picture

Did you actually read my post? I actually said the opposite, please re-read above, retreads can be good. Wow even tk reactionary today. Happy holidays

scullyitsme's picture

Also the point about McVay is that everyone knew he was a destined for a hc. Position. That person doesn’t exist right now. So packer fans should brace theirselves good or bad for a retread. I’m not sure it’ll happen, I don’t even know if I want it to happen, just an opinion

Norm's picture

Belichek was a retread, from Cleveland no less. Sure he is Satan incarnate but give the Devi his due.

albert999's picture

winning makes everybody love

pacman's picture

Maybe they will make AR the HC/QB? That might motivate him. At least OC/QB.

Does anybody on this board really have a clue how to pick a HC? Other than past record, what do you ask? They are not going to pick a newbie so everyone will have experience/reputation to look at. After that - chemistry?

LeotisHarris's picture

A lot of people are saying Murphy lost the cocktail napkin/back-of-envelope list he keeps of potential coaching candidates, and had to rely on memory for this round of interviews. Sources within 1265 are reporting Gute was overheard in a hallway asking if anyone knew how to get ahold of Wayne Fontes.

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Hahaha! You slay me, Leotis.

albert999's picture

Has to be picked sooner than later to put the coaching staff together, draft and developing chemistry ....also training camp starts 2 weeks earlier for teams with new HC’S

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

It might not happen until after the Super Bowl. We need to be patient.

scullyitsme's picture

Personally, other than a retread the only other coordinator I’d be interested in would be bienemy from kc. Just because of the offense he comes from. I have no idea if he’d be a good head coach or play caller. Maybe Fangio if they wanted to go that way, But I just have a weird feeling he’s a great coodinator but would fall flat as a head coach.

CAG123's picture

Ken Whinsenhunt seems like a very good candidate to me he works very well with veteran QBs,he helped resurrect Kurt Warner’s career and helped evolve Rivers. Yeah he had some forgettable years with the Titans but look at the Titans now they still can’t get that offense together and his offenses are usually pretty balanced I think they’re 10th and 12th in passing and running they were 8th and 10th before the Ravens game.

Rak47's picture

Whisenhunt? Seriously? He's already had two head coaching jobs and hasn't won squat in either place, is he even still in the league? If you want to hire a retread can we at least hire one who actually made their team better and not worse? I personal want a retread or a current NFL coordinator as our next NFL HC, but Whisenhunt doesn't even crack the top 10 in retreads.

Lphill's picture

Philbin as head coach with Fitzgerald OC , and Lombardi QB coach , we have 3 Northwestern players on the team now.

Rak47's picture

Try Philbin as HC with Zac Taylor as OC and Pettine as DC and we'll be onto something very good there.

stockholder's picture

No to Both. We fired MM early. For this? I hope Murphy's plan was to hire them for the next HC. Because these guys can't give us change. Energy. Results. Murphy has to do better. I am losing faith in the process day by day. Murphy must hear Rumors of MM going to Arizona. Is he letting MM keep his staff? Either Murphy uses his athority the way he should, or he should be replaced. .

carlbs's picture

Philbin? No, thank you.
Pagano? No, thank you.
Caldwell (REALLY?!? CALDWELL?). No, thank you.

Southside's picture

i suspect one or both of these jokers could actually end up as a coordinator for the young coach they are going to hire. Bringing stability and experience to the coaching staff. That is why I think they were interviewed.

Lphill's picture

my second choice, Pettine HC , Lombardi OC, Philbin QB and Fitzgerald DC plus anyone not named Zook for ST.

alforno54's picture

Not sure who gets recycled more. Kickers or coaches

Pack12's picture

Neither Philbin, Caldwell or Pagano will be the next coach. Lombardi, unless it's Vince will also not be a coach in GB. If his name was Jones I doubt too many people would keep bringing up his name. Just look back at what he did in Detroit. I don't think you get rid of McCarthy to bring in unsuccessful rethreads. I also would not be paying too much attention to what the media says. Let's remember that they had John DiFilippo as a top candidate for the Packers. Don't be surprised if the next coach of the Packers is not someone in the news. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Vince Lombardi was an unknown when he got the GB job and I'm sure that a lot in the media and fans were asking themselves, Vince who?

John Funchess's picture

I keep hearing all the talk about Jim Caldwell and his seasons with Indiana and Detroit. Those two teams were drastically different. In one case you have Peyton Manning and on the other you have Matthew Stafford and I think we can all agree that Matthew Stafford is no Peyton Manning. If you takeaway Caldwells 2-14 Manning-less season his overall record is like 62-36 which is pretty good. How it looks to me the Green Bay Packers as currently constructed look more like the Jim Caldwells Indianapolis Colts than his Detroit Lions so if Jim Caldwell was at the helm I think we can expect similar results to the Indianapolis Colts than the Detroit Lions. Jim Caldwell was a quarterbacks coach and he’s only had one decent quarterback in his tenure and that’s Peyton Manning. Matthew Stafford is OK but he is no Peyton Manning and more importantly he is no Aaron Rodgers. Yes, I base a lot of my argument on quarterback play and to be honest that’s what it should be based on. No I don’t think either Pagano or Jim Caldwell will get this job but, if Caldwells name was called as the new head coach I wouldn’t frown on it because we have Aaron Rodgers so I think Jim Caldwell’s fortunes would be better in Green Bay. I based a lot of what I was saying on sheer hatred of the Lions but after looking at it, Jims record with Detroit was a whole lot better than with Indianapolis. Jim’s time in Detroit wasn’t all that bad as they had one losing season in his four years and it was 7-9 and they didn’t make the playoffs for three years thanks to us. So we are part of the reason as to why Jim got fired in Detroit. 11-5 and two 9-7 seasons shouldn’t get anyone fired unless you are in Green Bay’s division. He did this with Matthew Stafford!!!!

Packerpasty's picture

just pick Philbin and then QB12 will be the real HC and OC and Pettnine handle the defense, at least until Rodgers retires..

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