Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 400 - Carli Lloyd the Kicker?! + Packers/Chiefs Preview

On today's show, Jenelle Mackie, Sarah Kelliher, and Maggie Loney sit down for Episode 400 of the Pack-A-Day Podcast.

Jenelle Mackie, Sarah Kelliher, and Maggie Loney sit down for Episode 400 of the Pack-A-Day Podcast. The ladies discuss Carli Lloyd's potential career as an NFL kicker and some position battles to watch heading into the final preseason game tonight.

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Andy is a graduate of UW-Oshkosh and owns & operates the Pack-A-Day Podcast. Andy has taken multiple courses in NFL scouting and appears weekly on 107.5 The Fan in Green Bay to breakdown film. This past season he was an analyst on Green Bay Nation on WFRV TV in Green Bay. Andy grew up in Green Bay and is a lifelong season ticket holder; follow him on Twitter at @sconniesports.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

August 29, 2019 at 10:12 am

1) I'm not sure where this idea is coming from that Reggie Gilbert didn't show up on game day. I started hearing it recently, and now it seems to be everywhere. Last year, he had 37 tackles (27 solo), a fumble recovery, 2 passes defended, and 2 stuffs for a guy that is a rotational player. That's pretty good. It makes sense to trade him for a 7th when he was our #5 OLB, but he's a very good #5 OLB. Fackrell basically made him expendable with his 10.5 sacks.

2) On the bit about Carli Lloyd, the USWNT certainly knows how to get in the news. I think eventually a woman will get into in the NFL, just probably not Lloyd. She's already slowing down due to age (37). She was a backup on the team in the last World Cup.

One issue with a woman getting into the NFL is that they are 3 times more likely to get an ACL tear in soccer and 10 times more likely to get an ACL tear in basketball. The reason is because women rely more on their quadriceps than their hamstrings. I'm not sure if their hamstring pulls happen less often or not. Women also apparently turn their hips inwards more often which causes them to land in more compromising positions, leading to these ACL tears as well. If not a K/P, I think there's potential for a woman to be a LS. In fact, I actually predict a woman will some day be in the NFL (and probably in my lifetime).

3) I do agree that Safety is one of the most interesting positional battles right now. Will Redmond is my 4th Safety if we keep Campbell on the PUP.

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 10:19 am

I don’t see any player at 150 lbs getting into the NFL regardless of age or gender until they ban returns. At which point why not just scrap kick offs and punts.

Even on field goals/extra points, if the snap is off, a player breaks through or a team tries a fake, the injury risk would be phenomenal if much less likely.

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Rick5952's picture

August 29, 2019 at 02:09 pm

Scrapping punts? Not happening. Lol.

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DraftHobbyist's picture

August 29, 2019 at 06:47 pm

You realize Teo Redding is only 176 lbs and women can be more than 150 lbs, right? Obviously, soccer players will gain weight when they transition because they will require a different type of muscle.

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Spike Hyzer's picture

August 29, 2019 at 11:23 am

I'm a Physical Therapist with over 30 years of experience and your information about why these ACL tears occurs sounds like a bad paraphrasing of a journalist's bad paraphrase of a team ra trainer (not a high degree).

It has absolutely nothing to do with the ratio of hamstring to quadriceps muscle or how those muscles are used.

ACL tears occur because the ACL is limited in size to the bone cavity that it passes through. If a woman has built incredibly strong hamstrings and quads--and ACL tears in men are as common as in women when a man goes beyong his bone structure's capacity to carry weight, as we will soon see when Zion Williamson flames out being 40 pounds beyond his max capacity--she will be carrying too much weight for the capacity of her bone structure (and women are always, even if they are fit athletes with low BMI, carrying some extra weight due to the fat on their hips and glutes that men don't typically carry).

ACLs occur because of hard lateral cuts and men get them more often because they slip and they possess 20% more strength oer body weight than women and over stress the ligament with power (not excess weight). Women get them because they try to beef up too much and are already at the body fat disadvantage.

Pulling the leg back to kick with that slight rotation of soccer style is an action of BOTH the e and the hammy. It requires FLEXIBILITY of the quads (the antagonist muscle in this scenario). Women tend to be more flexible so the quad is not the issue. Her hamstring is clearly strong enough to hit it 55 yards, but there is one fatal flaw to her kick that any woman would suffer and would prevent any from ever playing: an NFL kicker needs to be so strong in his hamstrings that he can get the kick off in 2-3 yards because of the fast athletes on the other side (2-3 strides for most men).

Carly was lined up a full 5 YARDS behind the holder and it took her 7 little baby run up steps to create the swing velocity to get the ball through the goal posts.

That would be blocked every single time.

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Spike Hyzer's picture

August 29, 2019 at 11:29 am

PS--There was a typo in there that says 'ra' trainer. That was not supposed to be in there.
Also: women with a normal or slightly low BMI suffer FAR FEWER ACL tears in both basketball and soccer. Soccer ACLs happen less than in hoops because the turf gives way rather than the knee on extreme lateral moves.

It's only the women who have gone way past their BMI--and we do see a lot of success in both soccer and basketball from women who are dramatically overweight with fat or excess muscle--that suffer ACL tears at much higher rates than men in those two sports.

The ACL was meant to bear the weight of a normal body type. Not a massively over built or overly fat one. You can't increase the size of your ACL beyond the limit of the bone structure, but you can increase the size of hams and quads beyond a safe carrying capacity for that joint.

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Spike Hyzer's picture

August 29, 2019 at 04:11 pm

My keyboard is screwy due to the last Windows 10 update.

That should have been that men have 20% more strength per body weight than women (testosterone causes that much difference in men and women the same height and weight and fitness level).

And the letters that my still screwy keyboard missed before would have spelled out 'glute' (the medius is often called the soccer muscle, because the minimums does little and the maximus is at a straight angle).

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DraftHobbyist's picture

August 29, 2019 at 06:56 pm

You made a lot of assumptions for a doctor. Lets look at the facts instead of our emotions:
https://health.usnews.com/health-news/patient-advice/articles/2015/04/22...
https://www.verywellhealth.com/acl-tears-more-common-in-women-and-girls-...

These articles are from doctors. Jonathan Cluett is an orthopedic surgeon. While Lisa Esposito is an experienced staff writer, the study is linked for you to read and did find that women and girls are more at risk for ACL injuries despite your knee-jerk emotional claim with no cited evidence. The only thing I'll correct is that the rates are double in soccer and four times in basketball.

TL;DR: Self-proclaimed "doctor" is wrong, I'm right.

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EdsLaces's picture

August 29, 2019 at 01:01 pm

Hey I made the fantasy league ...how freakin sweet!

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BoCallahan's picture

August 31, 2019 at 08:50 am

I wonder if they are going to post the id’s of those picked.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

August 29, 2019 at 02:48 pm

I really think that Lazard is being overrated by the fans this preseason. EQ for me is the much better player because of his speed plus size. I am not sure if lazard can seperate from starting caliber corners. However EQ has shown last year that he can. EQ > Lazard.

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Spike Hyzer's picture

August 29, 2019 at 04:23 pm

Lazard seems stronger off the line than EQ and I've seen drops by EQ and none by Lazard (both have good hands though).
Seems to me that EQ should be given routes to separate later for big plays anyway in this scheme.
I've been predicting big surprises for the roster. Cutting Marcades, Tramon and keeping only 3RB and 1 FB.
They could then keep a whopping 8 WRs and IR St. Brown and pick up a player for depth at one of those open positions of need created by those cuts.
Then they roll with 7 WRs into game one.

EQ and Lazard are really pretty equal but with slightly different skill sets.

Lazard could not only play the slot, but he could replace the 4th TE and line up in those TE slots where you know he is going to be a receiver. Without having to block on that assignment, I think he has the strength to be a coverage match up nightmare for those tweener Safeties and LBs.

You could even work him with Jimmy on a double TE look (with no intention of either blocking) and with 3 WRs have the back pick up the loose blitzer and have 5 great receivers in the pattern (just that Lazard would be running one of the TE routes).

That versatility should play.

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Old School's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:41 pm

I don’t think Lazard has a future here, but that he’ll be a decent player in the league

Adams is going to be around, and so is MSV for 3 years. Allison is 25. You’ve got Kumerow and Davis and Shepherd.

Then we’ve got St Brown, Moore, and Lazard. We can maybe keep StBrown on IR. Moore is no big loss at this point. I just think we’ll release Lazard and someone will claim him.

All of the six WRs should be around for a few years.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

August 29, 2019 at 03:09 pm

Thank you ladies for the podcast. All 3 were eloquent and insightful. I do think the Carli Lloyd question is a farce. A 37 year old rookie kicker is highly unlikely regardless of gender. If you want to talk about former soccer players David Beckham or Christaino Ronaldo is certainly more likely.

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August 29, 2019 at 04:35 pm

A 37 year old kicker breaking into the league doesn't happen unless it is a complete PR stunt and then why make her the first female kicker if she isn't any good. If she was 24 and could kick field goals then more power to her. I just don't see at 37 making a start.

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fastmoving's picture

August 29, 2019 at 03:55 pm

Yeah, Beckham is way older the Carli and Ronaldo is still playing. But I dont want to confusse you with facts.

So a 46 year old rookie kicker is more likely???? Regardless of gender????

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Spike Hyzer's picture

August 29, 2019 at 04:24 pm

Only if he's George Blanda on a make it or break it deal!

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