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Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 269 - Draft Preview Part 19 - Defensive Line

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Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 269 - Draft Preview Part 19 - Defensive Line

Jake Turner and Mark Eckel are back to discuss some of the top defensive line prospects in this year's NFL Draft. Could the Packers take a defensive lineman at pick 12 overall? If so, who could some of the top targets be? Find out all that and much more on today's 269th episode of the Pack-A-Day Podcast!

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Andy is a graduate of UW-Oshkosh and owns & operates the Pack-A-Day Podcast. Andy has taken multiple courses in NFL scouting and appears weekly on 107.5 The Fan in Green Bay to breakdown film. This past season he was an analyst on Green Bay Nation on WFRV TV in Green Bay. Andy grew up in Green Bay and is a lifelong season ticket holder; follow him on Twitter at @sconniesports.

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EdsLaces's picture

The football gods are gonna shine down upon us on Thursday evening and let Oliver fall to us I can feel it ....

stockholder's picture

Ferrel @12? Against!! Jones @44 Against! Oliver or Wilkins For! Lawrence @25. Abstain. @30. Simmons Steal!

Turophile's picture

I just love Clelin Ferrell. Love him more than Burns, more then Sweat, certainly more then Gary (who incidentally scares me), more than Hockenson or Fant or Dillard, more even than J.Taylor (who I like a lot).

I don't love him more than Ed Oliver, but to me they are on a similar level. I might just pick Oliver over Ferrell, but I'd feel safer with the Ferrell pick.

The point about Ferrell is that he is simply an excellent football player. He won't run a 40 like Sweat or bend round the edge like Burns or Polite, and he doesn't have that weird build (overdeveloped thighs) of Bosa, but I think that after several years we will all look back and realise he turned out better than any of the others.

I do agree with stockholder that Jeffery Simmons at #30 is a steal. If Christian Wilkins was still there at #30, he'd be a steal as well.

SpurgeonsCigar's picture

Lots of guys who will be very, very good ballers are available in the first 15-20 picks. Let the players come to you or trade to go DOWN a few if the "Guy" Gutey has in mind is not there. I am hoping for a couple of guys to be available at 12. Montez Sweat or Devin Bush would be great picks. I do NOT want Oline in the first. That position can be addressed in the fourth. I also think a CB in the first few rounds may be a good choice to allow Josh Jackson the opportunity to move to Safety. I think he is our safety so get some help for the very, very fragile Kevin King.

Turophile's picture

@SpurgeonsCigar. If you don't want O line until the fourth round you can forget about getting a starting-level OT to replace Bulaga next year. Doing that would force you to draft and start a 2020 high-drafted rookie there next year.

That is a much worse plan than getting one this year and letting him work in slowly (since Bulaga is still here) and having a year to refine technique, learn the playbook,, and gain NFL strength needed for the position. Expecting to repeat the success of Bakhtiari in a later round is like announcing you will win big on the lottery this week, it's way too much of a long shot to rely on.

Given how many OTs have had close scrutiny by the Packers I'm pretty confident that after the first three picks have played out (currently #12, #30, #44) the Packers will have added an OT. I cannot say if it will be J.Williams, J.Taylor, A.Dillard, C.Ford, D.Risner, G.Little, K.McGary or T.Howard, it will all depend on how the board falls on draft day, but I think they get one of those.

Many experts on the NFL say winning and losing depends largely on the O and D lines, and though the QB is the single most important player i tend to agree. I'd even be ok with one O line and one D line player in round one, not sexy picks, far from it, but they can make a big difference. A combination of one of the OTs I mentioned earlier and a penetrating type D lineman like Oliver, Wilkins, Simmons, or Tillery, could be the way the Packers go.

My prediction for the first four picks in rounds 1,2 and 3, are that all four picks are at one of 5 positions, Edge, OL, DL, FS, TE. It isn't impossible that a pick at WR or RB shakes that up, but I'll go with my groups.

RickInCali's picture

I like Ferrell but never contemplated him at 12. Maybe I worry that those guys are less than the sum of that stacked defense they played on?

You touched on Sweat, but the heart thing, and how Risner handled him? Pass at 12. Oliver is short and light, but he is positionally flexible and explosive. I would still prefer Burns.

The more I look at this thing.....I would love to trade down and stack picks in the late first and second.

Great podcast. You need to get Mark on here all the time.

jannes bjornson's picture

Pauline has Ferrell as the #7 guy in his top 300. Wilkens is #9, D. White is #8, Oliver #5, Sweat #6. You have to take one of these guys if one is there.
Farrell is not another DE from a 4-3 like Perry. He has rushed from two-point stance and schooled Alabama OTs from both sides of the front.
Wilkens is just solid and has the size the Packers usually like especially as a three to five technique. I thought Sweat worked Risner over in that game?

stockholder's picture

Wilkins should be their choice. Kipers mock shows Oliver ,Sweat, White, Gone! Wilkins is rumored going up to Buff. if Oliver is not there. Ferrel is going to the Raiders later. If this happens Bush should be the pick with Burns as the alternate. Either would make me happy.

SpurgeonsCigar's picture

Devin Bush would be a true difference maker. I saw a you tube of him chasing down Saquon Barkley (when he was at Penn ST) at the sideline before he could turn it upfield. Bush also is described as "intelligent/ football smart" which appears to be needed in the Petine system.

jannes bjornson's picture

I would take EDGE over DT, and pick up the DT in round three or four.

Southside's picture

Oliver looks like he's no more than 6' tall. Unless the other guys I see in his hi-lites are really, really tall, I heard Rob Demovsky predict the Packers will take an offensive lineman and a defensive lineman with their two first round picks. No particular order. I think they will also pick 2 tight ends somewhere in the draft and another offensive guard or tackle. One in maybe the third round and one later in the draft. There also will be a running back taken. One that can catch the ball out of the backfield and run with it. I think a safety in the second round.

Turophile's picture

I think that is a very well considered opinion by Demovsky.

Having done an endless succession of mock using a ton of different big boards, what transpires is that if you want an OT, you get one at #12 or #30 (though you could probably get Tytus Howard at 44).

Therefore a duo pick like OT J.Taylor or A.Dillard, followed by J.Simmons or J.Tillery is very possible, if the guys are on the board when the pick rolls around.

'Southside' suggests a FS in round 2 looks likely, and I agree with that. Somewhere around there are Deionte Thompson, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Nasir Adderley, Juan Thornhill, Darnell Savage. One of them might last to round three, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

stockholder's picture

I hope Gute doesn't do what the experts think. Dillard has flaws. He has talent. But most agree he's not ready, and will get creamed. Late first, early second. Sounds like Spriggs to me. Taylor has better tape. But seems top ten teams are backing off for defense. I believe Gute should take the best defensive player to Keep up.

Turophile's picture

An OT at #12 isn't my favourite pick. I'd take Ed Oliver, Clelin Ferrell, Brian Burns, Christian Wilkins before an OT (and in that order of preference), but I'm not against an OT like Dillard or Taylor at #12. It's all going to depend on how the board falls on the day.

jannes bjornson's picture

Those are the likely picks falling into the #12-15 range. I believe teams will go with the draft's strength and pick the best defenders as they come down the board. I don't think Gruden will jump on Lock at #4, but he may surprise people?

Jnixman's picture

I enjoy these podcasts a great deal. My one ask is that whoever the host is, let your guest talk and finish points. Otherwise there are so many interruptions and talk-overs it’s hard to follow.
Podcasts should be conversational, but good conversations have logical starts and stops. If you are constantly jumping in because time is limited, maybe limit the scope of discussion so it fits better into your 20 minutes.

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