Kicker Situation is Uncharted Territory for Packers

It is well known how stable the Green Bay Packers have been at quarterback since Week 3 of the 1992 season. Majkowski, Favre, Rodgers, and Love. That's the list for Week 1 starting quarterbacks in the last 32 seasons.

The kicking position has almost had as much stability since Chris Jacke was drafted in 1989. The Week 1 kicker list since 1989: Jacke, Longwell, Rayner, Crosby and Carlson. If it's Greg Joseph or Kicker TBD, he will be only the 6th different Week 1 kicker in the last 35 years. It's because of this kind of stability that many fans and media members were surprised that the team moved on from Anders Carlson.

In Carlson, the team invested a 6th round pick in the Auburn product and he turned in respectable numbers with 115 points on 29 made field goals scored as a rookie. Compare that with the other kickers in their first years as Packers: Jacke 108 points; Longwell 120 points; Rayner 109 points; Crosby 141 points. The outlier is Crosby who led the league in points as a rookie, and had four seasons of 130 or more points (2007, 2011, 2013, 2014).

Jacke and Crosby were also former 6th round picks, like Carlson.

The investment in draft capital alone was not going to save Carlson this preseason. Despite having all the tools and pedigree necessary to be a solid NFL kicker, there was a lack of confidence in him after his struggles to end 2023. He missed at least one kick (FG or PAT) in 10 of the final 12 games last season. This included missed kicks in four road losses (Denver, Pittsburgh, NY Giants, San Francisco) where the Packers lost by 4 or less points in every game.

As of now, next man up is Greg Joseph. The 30-year old had his best season in 2021 with the Vikings, making 33 of 38 field goals and 36 of 40 extra points. He also made the game winning kick against the Packers in a Week 11, 34-31 over the Packers. Joseph's 2022 was not as good as 2021 (26/33 FGs, 40/46 PAT), but he did make five game winning field goals for the Vikings. All of which came in the final minute or overtime.

If the Packers are to make a deep run in the NFC playoffs, it is likely they can not have the kicking issues that they had in both of the recent divisional playoff losses to the 49ers. They must find the right guy at kicker. And with Joseph, he's first up. In Brazil, next week.

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Mitch McLaughlin is a Packers fan and shareholder residing in Sacramento, California. He will be writing Packers stories each week on Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter: @McLaughlinMitch

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stockholder's picture

August 27, 2024 at 06:29 pm

A Blair Walsh clone.

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LeotisHarris's picture

August 27, 2024 at 06:38 pm

Well, not exactly uncharted if you're a geezer and still sort of have your wits about you. Ya see, *snaps suspenders* from 1968 when Don Chandler retired to 1971 when the Packers drafted Chester Marcol it was Kickerfest in Green Bay, and boy oh boy was it ever an ordeal. It's a saga filled with names like Booth Lusteg, Mike Mercer, Errol Mann, Jerry Kramer, Chuck Mercein, Joe Runk, Skip Butler, Tom Dempsey, Charlie Durkee, Dave Conway, Lou MIchaels (yes, that Lou MIchaels) and many, many more! If you struggled to kick a football, we're a self-taught kicker, or even an "ambilateral kicker", Green Bay was the place to be.

Cliff Christl has a great accounting of that dark time. Search "packers kicking woes 1968 to 1971." There were far more awful twists and now laughable events than I remember living through at the time.

Here's hoping we don't revisit that era anytime soon.

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ricky's picture

August 27, 2024 at 09:24 pm

Ryan Longwell came to the Packers after SF, who had signed him as an UDFA, let him go. So the Packers picked him up as insurance, but mainly as a "camp leg". The Packers had drafted Brett Conway in the third round to be their kicker. Instead, when Conway was injured, Longwell came in and kicked (pun intended) Bears butt with three FG's and three XP's. And he won the job. And was inducted into the Packers Hall of Fame in 2018.

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Packitin's picture

August 28, 2024 at 07:01 am

Curtis Burrow

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 28, 2024 at 09:55 am

A joy to come here! Facts are better than opinions, but often our commenters add as much value as the contributing authors in both categories.

My opinions on the kicking game as a whole include going for 2 makes sense most of the time, unless 1 extra point clinches a win which is rare. Fail to convert for 2 half the time and you come out even. The only flaw with that strategy is if you lack variety of plays or otherwise think you can't do it. I see no reason why this offense can't do it, which would mean they come out well ahead for trying it as a matter of course.

That has nothing to do with skill or reliability of the kicker, whoever it winds up being. (Hopefully the best in Europe)

Going for 3 vs going for it on 4th down is not such a simple decision, obviously. Confidence in the kicker is a huge part of that very subjective decision. I'd love to see our offense convert every time, using a variety of tactics including bringing in huge humans on the line. Seems that is not going to happen.

I also think it's possible that Carlson is not done in GB, depending on who Gutey can get. Even if he's stashed on the PS for this season.

Who knows? This interval before week 1 is the perfect time to speculate. I expect a wild ride! Much of the league is very different from last year, and our schedule seems tougher now than it did when it was first released. And it seemed plenty tough then.

Hopefully we get good games, and they aren't ruined by bad refs. I remain pleasantly surprised by Gutey's roster building.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 27, 2024 at 07:06 pm

Carlson has been Bisaccia's folly. My guess is that Bisaccia used his standing to persuade Gutekunst to draft Carlson in 2023. Perhaps Bisaccia thought that he was getting a younger version of Daniel Carlson. Except no two persons are exactly the same despite their similar genotype. For instance, Wayne Gretzky had 2 brothers - who were little more than minor leaguers. While Jose Canseco had a twin brother - who only played a handful of MLB games. Even the great race horse “Secretatriat” - had several brothers and sisters. All of whom did nothing special.

Nor do I blame Carlson for the Packers tenuous kicking situation. In college he was just a mediocre kicker who tried to perform above his abilities in the NFL*. No, this blunder is on Bisaccia. And with his special teams dropping down 7 places in 2023 – to 29th overall. Perhaps while Gutekunst scouts for a better Kicker – he should also be considering a better special teams coach.

* Kickers should rarely be drafted. They often do not succeed in the NFL.

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Matt's picture

August 28, 2024 at 02:25 am

It doesn't matter if he was Bisaccia's folly or not. I also don't think Bisaccia was pursuing surname Carlson just like fans often do. He had known him, he saw potential, he knew the development path of Daniel, and decided to take a shot. If Anders would be great it would build into Bisaccia's postion. It didn't - mistakes happen, especially in draft which is a kind of wheel of fortune. Good that our coaches and management have no problem with admitting to mistake and part ways with players.

* In most cases brothers do not go hand in hand with sport abilities but siblings like Watts, Mannings, Diggs, Bosas, Kelces etc. will always make us fans wonder and give an additional point to resumee for famous brother. Next try is younger McCaffrey.

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August 28, 2024 at 12:40 pm

A draft pick was not necessary to acquire Carlson. On the basis of his college record - there was a 90% probability that Carlson was going to be a UDFA. As Bisaccia personally vouched and lobbied for Carlson - a draft pick was used. This is Bisaccia's folly. Most likely Carlson could have been signed as a UDFA and Gutekunst could have had an extra draft pick - in what was one of the best ever drafts for GB.

As to your sibling comparables. All were better college players than Carlson.

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2024 at 08:53 am

"* Kickers should rarely be drafted. They often do not succeed in the NFL."

Bingo!

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GregC's picture

August 27, 2024 at 07:17 pm

Ranking kickers' seasons by total number of points scored is, um, pointless.

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TXCHEESE's picture

August 28, 2024 at 09:53 am

There was a comment by Mike Spofford over at packers.com relating to Carlson and Joseph. He mentioned the ball came off Joseph's foot with more zip than Carlson's. Maybe the thought process was Joseph would have more success in the colder weather. I just know starting in the second half of last season, I got nervous every time they attempted an extra point or field goal, and I think probably most fans, team mates, and coaches did the same.

I'm sure the first few games, the trepidation will creep in, until Joseph can prove he's the man. We can always hope.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 28, 2024 at 10:25 am

I keep pointing to the folly of special teams. You would think people would recognize the inherent futility of paying $$$$to your QB, WR, etc., and then letting a minimum wage, bottom-of-the-roster, 22 year old go there, amped full of adrenaline, and do something to screw it up, and it happens a helluva lot more often than a "big return".

I don't know what people want in a kicker anymore. The new kickoff rules de-prioritizes having a leg that can kick it out of the endzone, so now we're just looking at what he does with the goal posts. Obviously, being automatic from inside the 40 isn't enough.

Me? I would do what I could to prevent special teams ...theirs or ours....from hurting us. That means I wouldn't attempt long FGs unless it was the end of the half or the game, since a missed FG is a turnover. I'd go for two points after TDs, and I'd go for it on 4th down inside the 40. I'd take the kicker out of the game except for automatic FGs (inside the 23 yard line, a 40 yard kick),and most of the time I'd go for it instead of taking the short FG. I mean, FGs are nice but TDs win games.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 28, 2024 at 11:03 am

You could take that logic a step further and say that a punt is a turnover, no? Old ways die hard friend.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 28, 2024 at 11:13 am

I read that article many years ago, where the guy argued that punts are turnovers, because you're giving away possession in exchange for no points, but hopefully about 40 yards in field position.

I'm not quite that extreme, but I do think it's nuts to give the other team an opportunity to beat the bottom of your roster on a pivotal play. If it's 4th and 8 on my own 25, I'm punting, but I wouldn't give the opponent a chance to return, so there wouldn't be an opportunity for a penalty or injury.
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