2024 Wasn’t Meant To Be the Packers’ Year
What if the football gods have something special in store for the 2025 Packers?
The Green Bay Packers' roster was hit hard by key injuries, including Jordan Love’s sprained MCL, Jaire Alexander’s torn PCL, and Christian Watson’s torn ACL. Jordan Morgan dealt with a shoulder injury, Romeo Doubs suffered a concussion, and Evan Williams struggled with a quad issue. Quay Walker and Javon Bullard also battled ankle injuries. Overall, it was far from Green Bay’s healthiest season.
Jaire Alexander missed all six NFC North games for the Packers. Sam Darnold and Jared Goff had little trouble exploiting Green Bay's secondary, while Eric Stokes, Keisean Nixon, and Carrington Valentine struggled to cover Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Amon-Ra St. Brown, and Jameson Williams.
In Week 17 against the Vikings, Evan Williams was out, leaving the Packers without two of their top three secondary players. Javon Bullard, who had been practicing in the nickel all week, was moved to safety due to Zayne Anderson’s concussion. The result? Darnold threw for 377 passing yards and three touchdowns.
Christian Watson tore his ACL in Week 18 against the Bears, a game many fans deemed 'meaningless.' Watson was arguably Green Bay’s most valuable receiver, not only because of his playmaking ability but also for the way his speed created space for underneath concepts and his impact as a blocker. As the Packers' top man-coverage beater, his absence left a significant void, and no one stepped up to fill his role in the offense.
As for Jordan Love, his availability wasn’t the issue—he missed just two games. However, his MCL injury had a noticeable impact on how Matt LaFleur balanced the offense between under-center and shotgun formations.
“As far as under-center play action, we ran the ball more out of the gun,” LaFleur said. “The efficiency at which we ran the ball was night-and-day better out of the shotgun than it was under center. That’s kind of why we did what we did.”
I won’t argue with LaFleur’s analytics, but at times it felt like Green Bay wasn’t even trying to get under center, establish the run, and set up play-action. While Love’s injury likely played a role, it was puzzling that even when he was supposedly healthy, the team still didn’t do it enough.
Jordan Love completed just 57% of his passes on true dropbacks in 2024, with 15 touchdowns, 15 interceptions, 7.5 yards per attempt, and a 77.6 passer rating. (True dropbacks exclude play-action, RPOs, and screens.) Among all quarterbacks, he ranked 26th in completion percentage, 27th in passer rating, and had the worst touchdown-to-interception ratio among starters.
Love was one of the NFL's most efficient quarterbacks using play-action last year. He ranked third in passing yards, tied for fourth in touchdowns, and posted the sixth-best completion percentage among quarterbacks with at least 60 dropbacks.
It’s no one’s fault that Love’s injury happened, and they had to adapt the playbook. That’s simply how things work in the NFL. However, the low usage of under-center concepts makes you question just how healthy Love actually was.
Along with the injuries, the slow starts on offense and the imbalance between the passing and running game often left the unit stagnant, particularly against the Lions, Vikings, and Eagles.
It’s tough to win in the NFL without at least one elite pass rusher, and unfortunately, the Packers didn’t have one.
“We didn’t grow into that consistent front like we had hoped,” Brian Gutekunst admitted in his season-ending press conference.
Green Bay has invested heavily in Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Ness, and Kenny Clark, who signed a three-year, $64 million extension last offseason. Clark recorded just one sack in 2024, and Devonte Wyatt, entering the final year of his rookie deal, has yet to solidify his role as a starter. From Week 17 through the Wild Card round, Xavier McKinney and Keisean Nixon each recorded only one pressure across three games, the same as Lukas Van Ness. There's an urgent need for pass rush help, and I'd expect Gutekunst to address it this offseason.
LaFleur's team had a solid offense, a good defense, and average special teams. Despite repeated self-inflicted wounds and injuries, they won 11 games and came up just one score short in four of their six matchups against the NFC's top three teams. Green Bay had a strong foundation, but the challenges in 2024 proved too much to overcome. What were the odds they were going to hit the road and beat every contender without their Pro Bowl cornerback, their most dynamic wide receiver, and a reliable pass rush? I’m all for optimism, but Super Bowl-winning teams have an elite foundation and a bit of good health luck. Unfortunately, Green Bay was missing both.
Packers fans have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about 2025. The team is heading into Year 2 under Jeff Hafley’s system, and that’s typically when things start to click in a new scheme. A fully healthy Jordan Love should also give Matt LaFleur the chance to open up the playbook and lean into the under-center and play-action concepts that make his offense so dangerous.
On top of that, the Packers are projected to have over $50 million in cap space, according to Over the Cap. That number might change with extensions, but Brian Gutekunst should still have enough flexibility to make some moves in free agency if he wants to.
"If we kinda have to do some different things because we have an opportunity to acquire a player that can impact our team like these two guys (Xavier McKinney and Josh Jacobs) did, we'll do it," said Gutekunst about cap flexibility. With that in mind, I’d expect him to be very active in March, particularly in the cornerback, pass rush, and inside offensive lineman markets.
Gutekunst also made it clear that the Packers are feeling a strong sense of urgency.
"We need to continue to ramp up our sense of urgency. These opportunities don’t come very often. The life of a player in the NFL is not very long. We’ve got a bunch of good guys in that locker room, a bunch of talented guys. I think it’s time we start competing for championships."
The message is simple: the Packers are ready to take the next step. For the first time since 2019, they have the opportunity to break from their usual mold and go on a spending spree. Here’s some fun context: the Packers are picking 23rd in the 2025 draft, the same spot they were in back in 2010. That year, they had a quarterback in his third season as a starter, coming off an 11-win campaign, and a defensive coordinator in his second year. We all know how that season turned out. Maybe fate is trying to tell us something, or maybe it's just coincidence. Who knows?
The 2024 Packers couldn’t stop getting in their own way, but I also believe the football gods had a hand in them falling short of the ultimate goal. They were a good team, but not a great one yet. The mistakes they made this year will only fuel their growth in 2025, when everything could finally fall into place. There’s more reason for optimism than pessimism about next year’s Packers. After improving from 8 wins to 9, and then to 11 over the past three seasons, they’re on track to be a dangerous team in 2025 if that trend continues.
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Felipe is a Brazilian Packers writer covering the #GoPackGo for CheeseheadTV, Zone Coverage, and Packers Talk. Additionally, he contributes to Cheeseheads Brazil. Follow him on twitter at @Aceti_Felipe.
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Comments (55)
stockholder
January 17, 2025 at 02:32 pm
Not buying this.
The dream is an open door.
This team Lost and gave -up.
Instead of searching their hearts.
They lost the spark, when teammates
broke down.
It seems like a Lack of sand.
And when the sand ran out on the hour glass.
The reality was, a Team turned into dust.
Over-achieving was the bottom line.
We hit teams just at the right Time.
And now comes the next step.
Performance! Thats the next step.
Stop the penalties and mistakes.
The draft is for the future.
And depth is for injuries.
MooPack
January 17, 2025 at 02:40 pm
Ah, such beautiful poetry.
Such strong imagery, impactful word choice, a clear theme, emotional resonance, effective use of figurative language, rhythm, and a well-crafted structure that allows the reader to deeply engage with the poem's meaning and experience the poet's intended emotions.
Packers0808
January 17, 2025 at 04:13 pm
Poet don't know it fable.
TOMMY'63
January 17, 2025 at 05:52 pm
Love a franchise qb? Truly? No he isn't! We had one ,a generational talent! Unfortunately tt never gave him a defence in his prime. Had to carry the team on his shoulders. 30,35 45 points weren't enough in the playoffs! Love! He's a shyster that Murphy and gute pissed on the themselves with fear! Held out of tc! He was under contract if I'm not mistaken! Should have fined his arse ! Now gute at seasons end could make an evaluation on the shyster! They should have never been blackedmailed by love! Its over ,the shyster won his massive $$$$ extension! For me he's the massive cap bust demarcus, forget his surname was for the raiders! Love is a mediocre qb who took the fo on a ride,and pissed on themselves from fear,and made the extension! The front of had the knife by the side of the handle! They gave the knife back by the blade to the shyster! We've been fucked in cap spending for several years because of the blackedmailed fo! Just watch, in a year or two gb shall. Send love to fuck off back to idaho!
stockholder
January 17, 2025 at 09:40 pm
Ok- so Love is a mediocre QB.
Joe Gibbs won with a lot of
mediocre QBs.
Don't get your sights crossed.
The Dolphins couldn't win a
super-bowl with Dan Morino.
MLF must play the hand he's dealt.
jannesbjornson
January 19, 2025 at 11:19 am
Different times, different Rules of the Game. The only reference point is 2024. Get Better.
Packerlifer
January 17, 2025 at 02:42 pm
"Football gods?!" C'mon guys gods and fairies have nothing to do with it. It's about leadership and competence in the front office and coaching. It's about standards and expectations and holding every one to them. It's about not just being good but pursing perfection to the achievement of excellence, as Lombardi famously said.
The Packers have fallen into the trap of satisfaction with what has been or is and keeping on keeping on by adopting the "Next year" refrain.
The Packers had the most unsatisfying 11 win season any one can think of. They're better than half the league but near half again is better than they were/are. So, to quote Paul Harvey, " They're the best of the lousiest and the lousiest of the best. "
We've now had 6 seasons of Gutey & LaFleur heading the football team. Seven with Gutekunst as GM. The body of work is laudable in many respects but is conspicuously lacking in one big thing: NO SUPER BOWL..
They failed in their best opportunity in 2021. Remember; they had a Hall of Fame, 4th time league MVP at quarterback, No. 1 seed and home field for all playoffs and a first round bye. They won against both teams that eventually were in the Super Bowl that year. But on a cold January night. with a defense playing as well as any in Green Bay's postseason history , only allowing 2 field goals they lost. to the 49ers by scoring only 10 points in an offensive failure that was only less excoriated by a special teams disaster that was worse.
It's been said that doing the same thing over and over only gets you the same results. It's also true that putting the same people in charge, who are going to tend to do the same things over & over, over and over are likely to get the same results.
"Football gods?" No. Football people, coaches and players. Changes in mind, heart, and as necessary personnel are what is required. We'll have to wait and see whether any and how much of that comes about.
GregC
January 17, 2025 at 02:45 pm
So they should fire the GM and all of the coaches?
Packerlifer
January 17, 2025 at 02:53 pm
Not at this time and nothing in those areas is going to happen at this time. Not with the coming change in club presidency/ceo. Gutey & LaFleur are it for at least 2 more seasons. Maybe they come through in that time. We'll see.
But more of the same these next two years and we'll have to ask now much longer "being close" and " next year" will be good enough to keep on with it.
GregC
January 17, 2025 at 03:11 pm
Yeah, next year there needs to be big improvement, and the current GM and coach probably have at least two more years to show what they can do. I think this would be true even if there was no change in management. I'm not expecting anything different from Ed Policy. Packers management is like an aircraft carrier--it changes course very slowly. Which has mostly been a good thing.
Gman1976
January 19, 2025 at 11:44 am
We need a new OC who gives the opposing defense the illusion of complexity, uses the whole field, can run a hurry up offense effective, can effectively change strategies to over defensive changes, ,coach the QB, & doesn't throw bombs on 3rd & short. We also need a new head coach who will replace failing coaches quickly and not allow the failing coaches to be in the playoffs, not allow the DC to play Barry ball at crucial times, be able to manage timeouts and challenges, & give effective, tough leadership.
Leatherhead
January 17, 2025 at 03:36 pm
Karma is real, dude. Don't doubt it. Call it the "football gods" or whatever, but it absolutely exists.
TarynsEyes
January 17, 2025 at 07:06 pm
Yes, karma is real, but it dwells on those who do everything they can to expose their arses to get bit by it.
Karma is the direct result that was birth from the decision(s) that had you ignore it's undoubted arrival in the first place. Nothing more, nothing less.
Leatherhead
January 17, 2025 at 07:47 pm
Karma is the Universe restoring balance.
TarynsEyes
January 17, 2025 at 08:44 pm
Karma is the self-inflicted pain one receives because of a previous action/decision that they likely knew would be detrimental in some aspect. Some believe there is good karma, but it's near always used toward those who have been viewed as doing a wrong. Good things come from doing good things, but doing wrong brings karma.
The phrase, "I wouldn't do that, or I shouldn't do that" is acknowledging the karma. "I'm going to do it anyway" ignores the evoking for the arrival of karma.
The Universe has nothing to do with it. Sheesh.
LeotisHarris
January 17, 2025 at 09:02 pm
Many interpretations of karma emphasize that the intention behind an action is as important as the action itself.
In a non-religious sense, karma is often used colloquially to mean "what goes around comes around," referring to the idea that people eventually face the consequences of their actions.
jannesbjornson
January 19, 2025 at 11:23 am
As my attorney-friend said: "I'm in the Car, near Tomah" when reporting on his journey up the I-94. The phone call was interpreted as, " he is in Karma," by one of my assistants....
Oppy
January 19, 2025 at 11:34 am
Well, I mean, what you're saying isn't really what the term Karma really amounts to, according to the cultures where the concept was conceived at any rate. It's not good or bad. The word "Karma" in original sanskrit directly translates to 'action'.
Please don't apply your own negative skew to the meaning of karma. It's not your word or concept to define.
Bitternotsour
January 19, 2025 at 11:56 am
bravo
NJ-RICK
January 17, 2025 at 04:07 pm
Time for a new GM......
TOMMY'63
January 17, 2025 at 06:10 pm
Lombardi ah? If wasn't for Lombardi gb wouldn't have been anything! Always remember the day after Lombardi left! Remember the days after the great hc gm left? The 70s, 80,unti 92,93 we had a competent fo and team! Remember that! Why ? Because after the great left ,he left a fo,coaching staffs,scouting department, that was worthless and incompetent!! The 70s, 80.to mid 90s, was my adolescene, my fucking youth! A disgrace of a fc.if here in nfl were like European football, soccer called in murica. In those decades gb would have gone from first division to third division, with little possibility to return to first division. Since in nfl there is no 1st, 2nd or 3rd divisions,the worst teams don't fall to a lower division and all teams play in the same league!
GregC
January 17, 2025 at 02:42 pm
Good summary Felipe. All season, I kept hearing that the Packers were one of the least-injured teams in the league, but near the end they had a rash of injuries in the secondary that were really damaging, and the injury to Christian Watson at the end was a killer. There were other problems too, of course. I remember Jordan Love throwing a ton of interceptions in training camp, so maybe it was not going to be a great year for him even if he had been healthy. He needs to turn things around obviously.
For now, let's cross our fingers and hope the Jets don't hire Jeff Hafley. The last thing the Packers need is to start over at DC again.
LeotisHarris
January 17, 2025 at 03:28 pm
No dis to stockholder, but if we rework the author's first paragraph a bit and add a chorus, we get a John Prine song.
Jordan Love’s sprained MCL
Jaire Alexander’s torn PCL
Christian Watson’s torn ACL
Jordan Morgan dealt with a shoulder injury
Romeo Doubs suffered a concussion
Evan Williams struggled with a quad issue
Quay Walker and Javon Bullard also battled ankle injuries
Charley bought some popcorn
Billy bought a car
Someone almost bought the farm
But they didn't go that far
Things shut down at midnight
At least around here they do
Cause we all reside down the block
Inside at 23 skidoo.
Bitternotsour
January 17, 2025 at 04:03 pm
you could have ChatGPT put that to music if you were inclined...
Marky got with Sharon,
Sharon got Sharee,
she was sharing Sharon's outlook on the topic of disease,
Mikey had a facial scar,
and Bobby was a racist,
they were all in love with dieing,
they were doing it in Texas,
Tommy played piano like a kid out in the rain,
Then he lost his leg in Dallas he was dancing with the train...
they were all in love with dieing,
they were drinking from a fountain,
that was pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain.
SinceLombardi
January 17, 2025 at 04:14 pm
It would like to see them be more physical and play smarter next year. More depth would allow Nixon to sit after one of his stupid dead ball fouls.
Dragon5
January 17, 2025 at 04:19 pm
Our GM, at the helm of a professional organization at the highest competitive level stating "we need more urgency" tells you all you need to know about the current state of this team.
Gman1976
January 19, 2025 at 11:46 am
I wish he could replace the HC/OC. No more excuses for poor play calling and the numerous mistakes that end up in losses. Coaching shouldn't be killing the team.
Starrbrite
January 17, 2025 at 04:58 pm
“Not meant to be our year.”
Felipe must be a Calvinist —everything is predetermined.
I’m an Arminian, moving ever so slowly towards some planks of Calvinism.
Anyway, it does seem like some components of devine intervention were working against us. And I was told the G on our helmets means God is a Packer fan?
I guess I gotta pray more this year—Benny Hinn says your faith forces God to be obedient to your request.
Hmmm—Benny needs to speak with MlF and Guty.
Just having some fun ya’ll—Grace & Peace
Go Packers!!!
NFLfan
January 17, 2025 at 05:00 pm
I wonder if Dan Campbell believes in 'football gods?' or making a real run in 2025?
Starrbrite
January 17, 2025 at 05:24 pm
Lol—good question
GregC
January 17, 2025 at 06:04 pm
Felipe is not the head coach of the Green Bay Packers. If Matt LaFleur starts talking about the "football gods" in his press conferences, then we are in trouble. But Felipe is just a fan. He's allowed to be whimsical.
Starrbrite
January 23, 2025 at 02:02 pm
Ha—yes!
NFLfan
January 17, 2025 at 05:10 pm
I will go on record right now: Top 7-8 team x 3-4 years. Stadiums are full, Titletown is humming, sledding hill is exhilarating, Matt's hair and eyebrows are on point.
We're good.
Packerpasty
January 19, 2025 at 10:13 am
your right, the Pro Shop is always busy, the money is flowing in...whats to bitch about!! Training camp has crowds, the draft is coming, this Super Bowl stuff aint all its cracked up to be..
TOMMY'63
January 17, 2025 at 05:24 pm
What about Detroit? 22 players recently on injured reserve, now to about 19-20 of their players? Even with 20 players out ,they shall continue to fuck us up! The truth is ,we have a good team but the team we have isn't good enough to win the superbowl! It's very simple, the talent level of the players, coaching to an extent, we ain't good enough! Next tear we shall place either 3rd or 4th in the devision. Perhaps chicago with new coaching staff ,higher picks next draft, more $$$ for free agency, and a better qb finish next season ahead of us ,and the packers missed next playoffs? We ain't shit! Do you people rah rah pack! Believe we have a stronger team than Detroit and Minnesota? I don't! I don't have much to think we shall be superior to Detroit or Minnesota! To all of you who believe otherwise, FUCK OFF,AND DRINK THE KOOL AID!!
GregC
January 17, 2025 at 05:57 pm
Of those 19-20 Lions players supposedly on injured reserve, how many of them are any good besides Aidan Hutchison? Last I heard, not a single one of their offensive players was injured. Sounds like they've lost a couple of good defensive starters besides Hutchinson, plus a bunch of defensive backups.
TOMMY'63
January 17, 2025 at 06:26 pm
To Craig with 20 players on injured reserve, possibly with less next season then shall continue to embarrass the packers! They are a superior team ,we don't have the talent and coaching staff of detroit ! Yes! They shall win the North next year,possibly win the sb in fb! Im for Detroit to win this upcoming sb! They deserve it! Haven't won a championship since the 50s! Detroit will go to sb,ofcourse anything can happen. They are superior with 20 players on injured reserve than buffalo, kc,ravens! I'm 4 Detroit they deserve a championship since the 50s,for once!
Bitternotsour
January 18, 2025 at 10:53 pm
the lions, like the packers and Vikings didn't seem to win a playoff game. life comes at you fast Tommy
Oppy
January 19, 2025 at 11:41 am
Hey Tommy'63,
Just wanted to take the time and let you know you can go fuck yourself right off, too.
Have the day you deserve!
Best wishes,
Oppy
Major Snafu
January 19, 2025 at 08:24 pm
If the bears get some coaching and Williams can actually show he was a good pick, your right doomsday for pack in nfc north. They may finish fifth. LoL
I know one thing pack fans will be screaming to dump Love at end of next season. He real love showed up and he is an interception machine
Since'61
January 17, 2025 at 05:29 pm
Maybe after 7 seasons as GM gate is getting a sense of urgency. At least he is speaking about it. I've been posting about the lack if it in Green Bay since the TT era.
Time will tell. Thanks, Since '61
jannesbjornson
January 17, 2025 at 05:56 pm
He knows Policy will breakup the Silage Committee. He had more than enough time to bring back the Lombardi.
LeotisHarris
January 17, 2025 at 08:01 pm
Policy's going to circle back to the silos with a paradigm shift. He'll move forward with the work with due diligence to create client-ready deliverables and results that endure.
jannesbjornson
January 19, 2025 at 11:28 am
What is, replacement theory?
Oppy
January 19, 2025 at 11:47 am
If you are acknowledging the existence of your so-called 'silage committee', which is well documented that Murphy made himself the hub of the three-spoked wheel, I don't understand how you pin the failure to "bring back the Lombardi" on Gutekunst, a GM who hasn't been allowed to shape and direct the team without infringement- at least, not in the way Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf before him were permitted to.
TOMMY'63
January 17, 2025 at 08:55 pm
Tt ,? He destroyed arods prime ! Never gave him a competent defence! Yeah tt,the great tt? My arse!
NFLfan
January 17, 2025 at 07:07 pm
One underperforming coach was dismissed (finally). There are 2 more (at least) who should also be 'dismissed'-they are harming the team-Bisaccia and Butkus
Likely won't happen, that would be too much urgency for this season.
I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong.
MLF moves @ a glacial pace.
Gman1976
January 19, 2025 at 11:48 am
Wish the HC/OC was moving on too.
Oppy
January 21, 2025 at 10:16 pm
Top five total offense (#5 total yards).
Top ten points scored (#8)
Top 5 rushing yards (#5)
Top 5 rushing TDs (#5)
#12 passing yards and
Top ten passing TDs (#10) - despite being #30 in pass attempts.
All with the league's youngest offense and overall roster.
Let's run them out of town, I guess.
Major Snafu
January 17, 2025 at 10:41 pm
This is the first year I did not estimate win/loss because we were starting with a new d coach and Love look promising based on the end of last season so it was a I dont know year.
Now that the season is over, like many of you we have something to assess the team on now. My assessment:
1. I think the team lacks talent with one play maker on offense, Jacobs and one on defense Mckinney and they are decent players but not game breakers.
2. I've seen Love now, two full seasons and think he lacks the ability to read defenses and makes poor decisions. I'm betting the end of next season many of you will be saying the same thing.
3. The receivers are avg. Route running, ability to run free, pass catching, they all drop balls a lot and they seem to get injured often. Watson is dead to me, three years and nothing to show other then he is a bench sitter who contributes zero while hurt.
4. Pass d is less then average. They give QB's way too much time to pick apart a pass d that is too slow, too small and poor tacklers. Looked to me Gaffney was using Barrys pass defense book and it too wasnt working. Obviously these guys cant cover one on one or they would be doing that instead of playing an area on the field like Barry did.
In the end I say this is a 7-10 or 8-9 season next year and no playoffs. Were playing a lot tougher schedule next year.
NFLfan
January 17, 2025 at 11:32 pm
Several highly paid underperformers are siphoning off available funds from the WR room.
My biggest frustration is not moving on from poorly performing players/coaches. Kind of a 'la-dee-da', we'll address it in 2-3 years--'la-dee-da'...no urgency...The team is dragged by the deadwood that overstays for 2-3 years.
'Que sera, sera, whatever will be, will be'---La, Dee, Da.
Grandfathered
January 19, 2025 at 02:26 pm
What highly paid underperforming receivers do we have? I thought the Packers had the lowest cap receiver room in the league.
Packerpasty
January 19, 2025 at 10:16 am
cant wait for next season, mostly for "maybe" not hearing the bullshit "young" excuse again...you know is young..Daniels of the Commanders, he's also accurate and knows when and how to run...Love will be in his sixth year coming up, if he aint been coached up by now forget it...but like someone said in the comments above, a mediocre QB can certainly get to the Super Bowl its been done before...but the surrounding cast has to be good and the coaching even better...
Gman1976
January 19, 2025 at 11:50 am
Next year is MLF's last year if he doesn't get better. I hope he does, but right now I'm not a fan. I think we have some very good talent, but we need much better coaching like you said.
Major Snafu
January 19, 2025 at 08:54 pm
There does exist young and talented category. That ram defense that almost won todays defense are all one and two year players. GM did a great job and there future is bright. Young and talented is hard to do.
Gutt is one of the lesser minded GMs. He has passed over all pro and future hof talent in the draft to pick guys who played more then one position. His mindset has made th.e pack mediocre.
Ex, he said he picked Gary in Feb before the combine because Gary played two positions in college. Analyst had Gary in the second or early third not 12th in the first. Third string guys can the average, low first better be lights out play makers and he never was that except high school.
This is Gutts team and it's sort of youngish but not talented and never will be. 7 - 10 next year.
Ps I agree with Brady's post game assessment "not all teams get better the next season" when discussing the Lions. "Some do some don't it's an entirely new and different season eash season is different."