How Can the Packers Fix the Passing Offense

The Packers are 18th in EPA per dropback this season

There has been a general consensus suggesting the Green Bay Packers need to run the ball more. And these people have their merits. Comparatively, the running game has been more effective, running backs Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon are universally viewed as their best two offensive weapons. However, it's 2022. An offense won't be great, and therefore a team won't win, without a respectable passing offense. And that's the problem for the Packers moving forward. You might be right that they should have run on this or that play. But that won't make them a legit contender anyway.

So far, the reflection of the Packers passing offense is the inability to gain two yards in two plays with the game on the line in London, a 27-22 to the New York Giants. Aaron Rodgers had six pass attempts of 20 yards or more, and didn't complete any of them — even with the New York Giants playing single-high defense for most of the game.

The Packers are 18th in dropback EPA, below teams with much worse quarterbacks and overall talent - New York Giants, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, a Jacoby Brissett-led Cleveland Browns.

"We're just not quite on the same page at times. We've got to go back and look at it," Aaron Rodgers said after the game. "I don't want to make a blanket statement right now. Definitely not an emotional blanket statement."

The team is 10th in rush EPA, a much better position to be in, but the offense won't score enough points if the passing game doesn't come to life.

There is a fair argument that running the ball opens passing lanes, but that's not what's happening for the most part in this new trend of NFL defenses. With the spread of two-high defenses, teams prefer to play conservatively, even when the opponent is willing to run. Aaron Jones didn't face loaded boxes even in the games where he surpassed 15 touches. 
Defenses know what offenses want (explosive plays), and are patient and efficient enough to open the box. And even when the defense respects the run, as the Giants did playing single-high for most of the game, the Packers offense is inept to throw consistently.

Sometimes, the Packers are effective just running or with short passes, but that demands precision, and the total number of possessions (and therefore points) is generally low. If the opposing offense is able (as they have been) to get some big plays, the Packers don't have the ball long enough or don't score fast enough to keep the pace up.

Possible solutions

Bring in more talent
Players, not plays, right? If that's the conclusion, the Packers have to face the reality that the current version of the roster isn't good enough to win right now. Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs might be promising young players, but if the Packers want to take advantage of Aaron Rodgers' window, reinforcements will be needed. Odell Beckham Jr. is the obvious alternative, and with the Los Angeles Rams playing poorly, he may look elsewhere to find a more competitive team to join. A trade is always a possibility too, and nearer the trade deadline Brian Gutekunst will have a better understanding of which teams will be bad and willing to trade their veterans — Robbie Anderson is a frequent name on the radar.

Re-shape the offensive line
The line hasn't been nearly as good as it was in 2020, when the Packers had the best offense in football. Elgton Jenkins is not at the same level he had been for most of his career. Maybe, reshuffling the unit with Yosh Nijman at right tackle, Jenkins at left guard, and Jon Runyan at left guard would allow more time for Rodgers to find big plays.

Better use of Christian Watson
Christian Watson had two touches in the loss to the Giants: an end around for -3 yards and a fly sweep for one yard. Two plays, -2 yards, both of them horizontal. In his last three games, Watson has five receptions for 18 yards in seven targets. The rushing touchdown against the New England Patriots was nice, but the coaching staff has to be willing to use Watson in more varied ways. He has shown speed and ability to be a deep threat, and he is actually the only Packers receiver with such characteristics. If the Packers used so many resources to select Watson in the top of the second round, they certainly viewed him as a much better and well-rounded player than a more explosive version of Tyler Ervin. It's time to make that happen.

The Packers offensive plan hasn't been aligned with what the 2022 NFL demands. And those mistakes might be costly. Running the ball is working to a point, and it must be explored, but fixing the passing offense is a must if the Packers truly want to compete.

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Wendell Ferreira covers the Green Bay Packers for Zone Coverage and Cheesehead TV. He is a Brazilian journalist with over a decade of experience covering the NFL, soccer, NBA, and MMA. Follow him on twitter at @wendellfp  

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Philarod's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:26 am

Agree with all, and...how do we get the tight ends more involved?

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PackAttack4155's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:50 am

Packer coaches just don't seem to know what to do with TEs, and that goes back to McCarthy as well. If the Packers are looking to make a trade of any kind, I hope its a TE. Outside of Lewis, and his blocking, the TE room just isn't very good.

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Philarod's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:13 pm

It could be the case of Tonyan not really healthy yet (is he on schedule to be more mobile in a few weeks or so?) and just not sure what's up with DeGuara.

Over the years, tight ends just have not been very good here. -- and coaching may have played a role.) I thought Finley had the tools but was inconsistent, and then the play was so bad until Tonyan (including the Graham and Bennett experiments...i guess they tried) in 2020 that the 5 or so weeks with a pretty good Jared Cook did wonders for the offense. I do think Tonyan's injury has contributed to the slow start.

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PackAttack4155's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:27 pm

I think Tonyan is a solid example of a one year wonder. In his one decent year, it seemed like he was an afterthought for defensive schemes, and was able to get open. Last year, before his injury, he was looking pretty pedestrian, with defenses being more aware of him on the field. The injury has slowed him down, for sure.

I had hoped Finley was the answer at the position years ago, but as you said, he was inconsistent. I was just looking at Cook's stats his lone year in GB: 377 yards, and one TD. I guess I thought he had a bit more of an impact on the season, guess I have blinders of the playoff catch on.

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Philarod's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:35 pm

Re: Cook, he was only in GB for 10 regular season games, and only started 5, so he was becoming more and more integral to the offense. Along with the catch versus Dallas off one of the greatest throws in football history (still great hands and toe drag), Cook did great in the three playoff games: 18 catches for 229 yards and 2 TDs. Not sure why we let him get away...and Graham and Bennett were horrible here (compared to expectations).

You may be right about Tonyan...

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2022 at 03:32 pm

Securing a veteran TE before the trade deadline is the priority. They need a guy who can get open up the seams and on the cross patterns to move in front of Rodgers eyes for a quick read.

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KenEllis's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:34 pm

How to get the "tight ends more involved" in the passing game?

How about getting a viable receiving threat at the position?

Tonyan is a decent receiver but offers nothing at this point after making a catch. He was not exactly elusive before the ACL and is just plain stiff at the moment while still recovering from it.

Lewis is a glorified offensive lineman at this point, which is helpful in the running game but is of almost no use in the passing game.

Davis? He wakes up thanking his God every day he is on an NFL roster and is best suited to being a 4th TE.

Finally Degaura is not fast and he is undersized, which is likely why he has played the fewest snaps of any of the TEs.

No one said much about TE this offseason because all the focus was on the lack of talent at WR, but make no mistake Gutey's misses on Sternberger and Degaura have hurt this position big time.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:36 pm

Deguara had 2 catches and I think 2 first downs in 5 routes run. There’s not much he could have done, except be used more.

This is all tinkering round the edges. The answer is this coach has no plan for this roster and it’s paid fully apparent to opponents.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2022 at 03:38 pm

Deguara was getting open and beating the 1:1 s. Then the machine stops computing and he sees fewer looks? He should have been the hot read until they stopped him.

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:29 am

"Re-shape the offensive line" We've talked about this till we're blue in the face. We've basically all agreed the lineup you mention is the best. This week was a clear step back. What do the coaches see that we aren't? I did see that Bakh and Nij changed up more this week than last so maybe it was too fast for Bakh? We have to get Newman out of there. The "RUN" will set up the pass even in today's NFL. Getting second or third and short opens up anything.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:33 pm

Bakh was sufficiently poor this week that Nijman can’t move.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:25 pm

Then FOR CHRISSAKES play Zack Tom at RT!!!!!!!

He has earned snaps. Where in the hell has he been?????

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:54 pm

Surefire sign to pass less. But that makes too much sense. They'll pass more next week. 39 passes wasnt enough. Better make it 49 vs the jets.

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Bure9620's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:30 am

RUN. THE. BALL. The Run fixes everything. A.J. Dillion had 6 carries in a game we led by double digits at half....That is coaching malfeasance.....The 2 best players offense are the 2 backs, feed them and don't stop feeding them!!!

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Barnacle's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:12 pm

It’s not the players, it’s the play callers……..DC, OC and AR.

Please wake these folks up!

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Johnblood27's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:28 pm

no Barnacle, put them to sleep - permanently.

It is called addition through subtraction.

3 years of seeing what mlf and jb bring is enough for me. Once again the brain trust in GB cannot be trusted. Think dysfunctional, dementia TT still calling the shots while Murphy fiddled and GB burned in the flames of a completely dysfunctional HC-QB relationship.

History is repeating itself.

I have some faith in Gutey, but all the other actors in GB now need to leave the stage for this team to improve.

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baldski's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:32 pm

Also, throw them the ball! They both can catch especially Jones.

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HarryHodag's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:35 am

The Packers have two fantastic running backs who are used mainly as short yardage passing targets or decoys.
If you run the ball, surprise! it opens up the passing attack.

Bahktiari at left tackle, Jenkins left guard(his old All-Pro spot) Myers at center, Runyan at right guard and Nijman at right tackle. That, I believe, is the best lineup. If David B. needs a rest, there are options.

I also would tell the $50 million man that changing the play at the line too many times means he has to play on special teams..........!

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:35 am

If it hasn't worked. Blow it up! Starting with the OL! Get Newman out! Move Jenkins back to LG. And Runyan to RG. Put Walker in. Otherwise Call Bulaga. If Lewis can still block at his age. Bulaga or another vet can.
Next: Bring in the OTs. You want to go deep. Put Mack and Nijman in before the TEs. The TEs are just to light! (The top 5 TEs in the NFL are @ 250 pounds. )
Yes- Dillion or Jones should be in the back field, for a Pass of some sort.
The Wrs weren't any better with Watkins. They will be better with Toure! Trade Rodgers!

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Johnblood27's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:32 pm

WTF are you ranting here?

Why not call Forrest Gregg to play tackle? he has only been deceased for 3 years, he probably has something left in the tank.

OT's??? TE??? 250 lbs??? WTF are you even trying to say? Are you channeling TT?

C'Mon man!!!!

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Since'75's picture

October 11, 2022 at 08:19 am

Yea....i'm just not so sure what you get in a trade for Amari Rodgers....
Maybe a water boy and a happy meal?

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Johnblood27's picture

October 11, 2022 at 09:12 am

maybe an unhappy meal...

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Packers0808's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:40 am

Get Jordy out of mothballs! {sarcasm]

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Since'75's picture

October 11, 2022 at 08:08 am

When Cook and Jordy were shown the door, that was the beginning of the end for pass catchers on this team.
Bennett - Fail
Graham-Fail
Funchess-Fail
J'mon Moore - Fail
St. Brown -fail
MVS - Occasional flashes
Amari Rodgers -Fail
Sternerger - Fail
Dequara - Fail
J. Love vs a 1st round wr - Fail
Watson - Something is definitely wrong there. Plus, he was a project to begin with. He might not have the tools to compete in the NFL
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Doubs - Flashes some potential talent....FINALLY
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Maybe instead of how to fix the passing offense....
We look at how we got here and who was in charge of building the roster.
Just a thought.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:40 am

So a 20-10 halftime lead using effective running and quick passing moving the chains, getting first downs and scores that was scrapped in the second half is now a losing offense?

Once the D went into Barry's seeming trademark..."Play not to lose" defense to start the second half, ML decided the response was to scrap the successful first half offense...Offense the Giants never stopped in the first half.

Instead go to perimeter passing and long drop backs and routes? Flirt with 3 and outs...and put the passive D back on the field. Watch the Giants score. Rinse and repeat.

I do not think the key is renting a high priced WR with ACL issues to force in a "perimeter pass game" Offense that failed so badly in 2017 and 2018.

Take inventory of your players' talents...then design a game plan to maximize your guys! OBJ can stay in LA.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:39 pm

Had we done what you suggest back in May we might have been better prepared. It looks like we had no plan for either the team or to incorporate individuals except to repeat prior years with an even greater focus on a depleted vet corps and not giving up big plays on D.

LaFleur can’t remember to run 2 games in a row. He can’t get TEs in the game even when they are helping. He’s calling plays with Cobb or Lazard as the deep runner. Hell Doubs is double covered because they know that they can contain Lazard and Cobb with the first ten yards packed with Defenders and they are starting to regularly anticipate throws too.

This strategy is Rodgers. It’s just showing that we’ve been playing Rodgers ball for four years and That LaFleur has just been riding it. Well now it’s being done without the weapons it’s just being exposed against far weaker teams.

It’s been coming. It’s killed us in the playoffs and now it’s in its death throes. LaFleur was the worst thing that happen to Rodgers. A true coach might have helped him help himself to a Ring.

Rodgers isn’t changing at this point. Nor is the roster. A much lesser QB might well get as much from this roster through not having the mental baggage. That says it all.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:52 pm

You have been the canary in the coal mine, CW.

The concern is if the locker room begins to fall apart.

Game 1, Alexander was grousing about the soft zone as he watched one receiver play catch all game long.

Then game 4, AJ grouses about passing to get 2 yards to get to a tie game.

Packers have some strong leaders. Hope they can step up now.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:00 pm

This would be the time. Players won’t speak up in public often, but they know when things do not make sense.

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Since'75's picture

October 11, 2022 at 08:38 am

Good points above.....but is it all just Rodgers and MLF?
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Now consider all of Gutes failed attempts at wr and tight ends. Everyone and their sisters know that those positions were drained empty due to bad acquisitions and failed 3rd round draft picks. Not to mention we skipped a receiver rich 1st round draft in 2020 to draft a back up QB to sit on the bench for years
Then we have to rely on a rookie draft class for receivers?? Not a sign of a Championship team is it?
I've never seen a Championship team relying on a rookie draft class. But that seems to be what we were doing the last 3 seasons.
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I don't care who your QB is....1st round receivers need time to develop into impact players, Jordy and Davante took 2 years.
Yes it happens once in awhile where a rookie receiver has an impact, but there aren't many Justin Jefferson's in the world.

It's a pity Gute didn't trade up for him .

Why would a team give their QB 150 million guaranteed....after depleting their pass catching talent?
Makes absolutely no sense.

If this is the way they wanted it to go, they should have traded Rodgers to the 49ers back in 2020 and reaped all the draft resources they could have got.
Because lets be honest, this team is in no danger of going to the Super Bowl.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:22 pm

Lol Rodgers won 2 MVP's with Lafleur. Apparently you forget how piss poor this offense was before he got here. Unfortunately, the Rodgers cycle has come full circle and were right back to where we were in 2018 with a Head Coach who has no control and a rogue face of the franchise who does whatever the hell he wants to the constant detriment of his team.

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Bure9620's picture

October 10, 2022 at 10:20 pm

Ironically, we would likely with this roster be better off with Love at QB as he would actually run his offense......

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Bure9620's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:42 am

This team is playing so far below its talent level, it is difficult to watch. It digusts me.

I put 50% of the blame on MLF, 25% on Rodgers and 25% on Barry.

Yes the defensive plan sucked but a horrible game plan falls more on the head coach on either side of the ball.

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Caden819's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:16 pm

I’d put 50% on Rodgers, he pulled an rpo with a guy averaging 5.7 ypc next to him on 4th and 2 at the 7 just so he can force it to a blanketed Lazard in the end zone. Now, why they came out in shotgun on 3rd and 2 and 4th and 2 is all on LaFleur. I’m absolutely tired of seeing it and after 3 and a half years of it something needs to change. Over complicating short yardage is the most aggravating thing I’ve ever seen from an “offensive genius”

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Bure9620's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:14 pm

Understood, but who called the RPO? It only has 2 options...

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Packers0808's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:01 pm

I really wonder is THERE EVER a game plan for the 2nd half, besides hope and wish!

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PackAttack4155's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:43 am

So... who plays right guard? For the offensive line, it isn't just simply moving a player from one side to the other without issue. By moving them, you're messing with their mechanics, that doesn't always work out. Jenkins, the one player on the line who, before his injury, you could plug in anywhere he was needed, either isn't 100% yet, or his injury has permanently taken his abilities down a notch, which would be unfortunate for the solid player he is. Runyan has been just fine at LG, should probably leave him be. If Nijman can play RT at a similar level to his play at LT, then definitely get him in the game, moving Jenkins inside to RG. It certainly wouldn't hurt to try out, from left to right: Bahk, JRJ, Myers, Jenkins, Nijman.

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:57 am

IMO- You move Jenkins back to Lg to see if he has regressed. And Runyan has already played RG.

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PackAttack4155's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:02 pm

I'd rather keep JRJ where he's playing fine, but if it helps solidify the line, I'm all for what you said. Newman needs to be out of the starting lineup.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:57 pm

This week Jenkins was by far our best OL. Myers and Bakh by far our worst. The fact is, Newman was not the problem and nor was Jenkins in London. At lest we saw Runyon back to form too.

We may be seeing a new reality. Nijman, Runyon, Jenkins, Newman and Walker/Tom/Jones. A lot of change and a lot of questions, but Bakh was flat out bad and they stopped running left with him in.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:41 pm

IDK, CW. Myers would play a lot better with Jenks and JRJ as his wingmen.

Newman was routinely on skates in pass pro. A few plays he was rag dolled. He did do better at run blocking. But that wasn't required in the 2nd half. SMH.

Jenks is still run blocking really well. He is still getting beat on the edge when Coach LaFleur and Coach Rodgers decide to play chunky ball with 7 step drops.

This OL is a good run blocking team. They seem really fired up doing it...seem to love it. So instead let's do an entire half of deep drop perimeter passing to stress two starting tackles and a guard who aren't very good at it right now.

Steno as OC is not getting it done, either. He should know his OL players better than to play them to their current weaknesses.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:38 pm

“Myers would play a lot better with Jenks and JRJ as his wingmen.” I don’t disagree.

However, while I am not as convinced that Newman is as weak a link now he’s settled, the real reason is that I’m more concerned about Bakh, both for durability and how well he played—not well in London. Until we can say that he’s better than Nijman at left or Jenkins at right and can okay a whole game consistently, I don’t think we can move Nijman. If we can’t move Nijman then Jenkins inside doesn’t seem a good idea until we can.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:42 pm

yo cw, look at the film again.

Newman was very very bad. He was placed ON HIS BACK at AR's feet multiple times!!!

Newman needs to go to the bench post haste.

What have the GBP done with Zack Tom?????

He has earned reps ever since TC. Get the guy in the game. He could play RG or RT depending upon what is going on with the OT position and Bakh/Yosh platoon.

Get Jenkins back at LG and get Runyon back to RG. we will have to suffer with myers until the G and T positions firm up and then if Yosh is at RT full time and Bakh is at LT full time Tom can be considered for C if Meyers is still a 50/50 adventure at C.

Pull it together Steno - dont leave Butkus out to dry this year, help out where it is needed the most. Get the line fixed! Let MLF swing in the wind for his game-planning faults, as a figurehead OC let the scheme lie at MLF's feet and help the team where you can do the most good - in the OL room - RIGHT NOW!!!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 11, 2022 at 05:05 am

I thought Newman played like an average starting RG. Yes, he did give up some ground in pass pro a few times.

I don't think Zach Tom is an answer. He needs more sand in his ass. Bakh was below average and Nijman, while better than Bakh, was really only a competent starting LT, nothing more. Jenkins looks like he is rounding into shape. Ditto for Runyan. Not sure why he forgot how to play in the first four games. Myers again was low average. Myers has some flash plays where he looks really good, but he is very inconsistent.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 11, 2022 at 09:11 am

gave up some ground???

He was flat on his back getting thrown into AR's legs with his defender continuing on to hit the qb.

Newman was atrocious!!!

He and Hanson have been the worst pair of OL I have seen in a long, long time. I am flashing to Newhouse-Barclay and Barbre-Coston bad, maybe worse.

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:44 am

I am seeing some similarities to 2018 year when we missed our first playoff that yr. We drafted 3 rookie wr's that yr and interiot oline struggled a lot and Arod threw many inaccurate deep passes. Seems like the same issue continuing this year too with 3 rookie receivers being drafted and right oline struggling.
They have to seriously consider this for the offense to be working better and stop throwing deep passes and run the ball more.
The one part that is crippling this offense is that Big Bob is not 100% ready yet. Once he is back to ateast 75% of how he was in 2020 then we will be a lot better offense

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:03 pm

But I was told Mccarthy was to blame for the offense going stale that year. People are seeing now that it was 12, not Mccarthy.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:43 pm

I always believed MM was stale, but it was odd that the great redesign he instigated before his last season changed little. It’s possible that it ran into Rodgers. I don’t suppose we will ever know.

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2022 at 07:15 pm

It's both him being frustrated with Mike plus Mike playing the same old stale concepts. Because it's clear that mike didn't do much with the talented Cowboys the last 3 yrs as a ahead coach.
Except for this year every yr in their forums the complain has been "why did we hire somebody that he has been driven out of GB and he has been driven out for a reason".

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

October 11, 2022 at 12:48 pm

His first year in Dallas, Dak was on pace to break records. Then he suffered a gruesome injury that cost him the rest of the year. Last year he lead them to the playoffs even tho Dak was again hurt most of the year. Now hes 4-1 with Cooper Rush. The guy is making lemonade out of a shit sandwich. Lets also not forget he developed Rodgers, who was absolutely terrible his rookie year before Mccarthy got there. Years later, Rodgers became an autonomous rogue player who stopped listening to his coach and usurped the offense. Somehow Mccarthy took the blame for this and was shown the door. Weve seen the same usurpation with Lafleur pretty much from day 1 which is why they drafted Jordan Love. But Mark Murphy, whos mandatory retirement age coincides with the conclusion of Rodgers' new abomination of a contract, wouldnt let Gutekunst and Lafleur move on with Love. This organization is in conflict with itself and has been for years and will continue being like this until the cancer is gone.

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Packers1985's picture

October 11, 2022 at 09:58 pm

That's how Dallas starts every year. He inherited a very talented team they were technically SB contenders that season when Mike took over that team. Agreed their chances gone blown away with dak being out with injury. Even last year everybody expected their roster to be one of the best in terms of talent but didn't play like one under Mike and it's no different than packers. I dont think there is any cancer there then y didn;t they win. This year things looking different like i mentioned above they already have a talented roster the defense can carry the team so offense can lean on them till they get back Dak.
So let's say if Dallas doesn't make it Sb this year whom should we blame that cancer referred is not on their team. So according to you the whole balme is on that Cancer since that cancer is not on that team their team should automatically have been a Sb contenders. So far last two yrs they didn't play any better than us except for this yr.

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Since'75's picture

October 12, 2022 at 12:33 am

" Lets also not forget he developed Rodgers, who was absolutely terrible his rookie year before Mccarthy got there." - Return to not hating Rodgers

Rodgers rookie year, 2005....when he threw a total of 16 pass attempts?
You're judging Rodgers as terrible based on that, really?
Then tell me...how has Jordan Love looked to you so far?

In 2006 Rodgers stats were even worse than 2005. And McCarthy's first season was 2006.

Usually the QB coach has more to do with developing a back up QB, than the head coach who had his hands full with Favre.
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Cooper Rush is a game manager until Dak gets back. The defense are the ones making the lemonade.

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Ima Payne's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:51 pm

He's not throwing to rookies. He throwing to cobb

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Lphill's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:48 am

3 and 2 with an offense that's a work in progress is not the end of the world ,a few nice wins put together all will be forgotten.

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Caden819's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:04 pm

The point is this shouldn’t have been a loss. They came out in shotgun and passed on 3rd and 2 at the 7. Then came out in shotgun again on an rpo which Rodgers chose to pass on and btw the guy next to him was averaging 5.7 ypc. The problem isn’t the offense as a whole, the problem is the play calling and Rodgers playing hero ball. I wouldn’t hold your breath over those “few nice wins”

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:13 pm

Exactly we should be happy that we are 3-2 with the offense in progress. Where we dont have true wr1 with two new rookies and crucial pieces of online just settling on oline and Only true Receiving TE Big Bob still not even 75% of his usual Self. Even with all these offense is putting up 21-24 points on an avg. Even when we had all of our weapons in 2020-2021 season we scored about 31-33 points a game. So 24-27 points is what this offense can get this season.
Yes Arod is one of the problems on offense for sure.

On the other before this offseason the talk has been how great this defense would be in yr 2 of barry's defense and if we address some missing pieces i.e, another LB and DL which we did in both draft and FA and expected it to carry this team to the championship. Is this defense playing anywhere close to that. Two weeks in a row we gave double digit lead to the teams that has been completely struggling with injuries and this is not a good look for a championship defense we all expected it to be. If we cant defend a double digit lead on short handed teams then how are we going to stop the teams like the Bills ,Eagles and even Vikings and lions.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:09 pm

True.

Also true the Packers are within whiskers of being 0-5. Bares, Bucs and Pats games could easily have been losses.

And the two losses were a thumping by the vyqueens all game long and complete dominance by the Giants in the second half.

The first half yesterday had me feeling like the Pack had FINALLY turned the corner. The second half, that feeling completely disappeared.

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jont's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:51 am

Randall Cobb is one of my all time favorite players. That said, I am not sure there are more than a handful of teams that would sign him today.

That he is GB's best receiver says a lot about the other receivers. We knew before the season began that the receivers corps was not good, and we knew it would take a while for the unit to perform well. We are now going through that "while", and the real question is how long it will last.

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Caden819's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:59 am

It’s not that he’s the “best receiver“ he’s just the only one fraudgers will throw to

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:04 pm

Then why did Watkins lead in the receiving yards the first two weeks. How did he earn his trust.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:48 pm

Wasn’t Cobb nursing a knock? Also, didn’t half of those yards come in one pass late in game 2?

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KenEllis's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:37 pm

That Randall Cobb is currently the best WR in GB is a damning indictment of Gutey's 5 years of failures to come up with receiving options.

How bad would the group look if GM Rodgers had not forced Gutey to acquire Randall before last season?

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2022 at 07:12 pm

This is one of the knocks i have against Gutey. We know that this team doesn't have a true wr2 for a while and also Adams was into his last yr of extension waitng for a big pay check given that there is always a possibility of either him leaving or retiring the FO should've atleast tried to find a wr every yr in the middle to later rounds.

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Caden819's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:57 am

“How can the packers fix the passing offense?”
Easy, they get rid of the over priced diva who doesn’t pass to rookies or hand the ball off to the running backs because he “sees something in the defense”. You then take all that salary cap you saved from said diva and build around your shiny new qb. Now we signed him to an extension and won’t be getting rid of him for a few years. The window is closed and we should’ve traded him for capitol when we could’ve. Now we’re stuck with this pass happy asshole who only cares about his stats

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croatpackfan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 03:22 pm

Shhhhh. They will call you immature if you'll telling them the truth.

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jont's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:30 pm

Not really, moj hrvatski prijatelj.

Most fans and most on this board know 12 is not playing at his usual level. We're simply not on board with the sometimes irrational rage aimed at him.

I've drifted through recent comments to gather some of the "truth about the diva". Leading off with my personal favorite-- "now more of a detriment than a help"-- these are CHTV commentator quotes about Aaron Rodgers from the past couple weeks:

he's the only one on this team who requires babysitting
Rodgers is looking like Jay Cutler
looks like he took a big bite of a shit sandwich
entirely too wrapped up in himself
the FO are trying to win based on what they think they'll get out of him--almost in spite of him
selfloved person
guys were open and he just never looked at them
(refuses a pre-snap read) like its some kind of slight against his godly prowess as a qb
the qb refuses to learn from his mistakes
prima donna shit look
question is if he's willing to do what is necessary to win
he does not think others jobs are important to him
piss poor attitude
pouting on the sideline thinking about who he'll blame this time
he gets cute every chance he can
Rodgers is the old surly guy
embedded in himself
Rodgers lives in an alternate reality
the guy who's been holding this team hostage for years
(his body language) screamed "no confidence in this team."
read that Rodgers threw a tantrum on the sidelines after the Watson drop and had to be restrained
that look on his face like he is the only important Packer on the field
his petulant ugly looks
Rogers ego and him protecting at all costs his pass percentage ratio
diva
the Rodgers monster
checks out of run plays because he likes passing stats
Primadona
he acts like your average 3-year-old who just had their favorite toy taken away
he cares more about his own image then victory
Rodgers at times is garbage

Yes, these football experts will see a few downvotes.

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barutanseijin's picture

October 11, 2022 at 02:16 am

What’s your argument? That Rodgers is playing well and the criticism is unwarranted? Or that Rodgers is the GOAT and therefore above criticism?

As it is, you’ve got nothing.

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jont's picture

October 11, 2022 at 03:09 pm

What's the argument?

"We're simply not on board with the sometimes irrational rage aimed at him." After that list, do I need to prove rage and irrational?

It is reasonable to criticize his play, or any player's performance, but what some on this board write is personal, inane, foolish, and more at home on twitter.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

October 11, 2022 at 12:57 pm

Hey Jont, if you're going to use my expert analysis, at least @ me. Btw, where's the lie?

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jont's picture

October 11, 2022 at 03:23 pm

This isn't twitter. You can't @ people, as far as I am aware.

And I never said anyone lies. I said that some people here rage into personal attacks, invective, and vitriol if a guy has a bad game or bad hair or an odd girl friend or an upset brother, and I said this is not the truth as was meant in that context; it is, at best, an intolerant anonymous slur all too common on other discussion boards, and it is not in any way expert.

Look, if you and others can troll with this kind of fluff, I can naively call out immaturity to give you a chance to imply I am too much of a coward to write to you directly.

Lets' try it: @return_to_sanity

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Since'75's picture

October 12, 2022 at 12:48 am

Jont.....
You must harbor a lot of hatred to take all that time going through this website and copying all those Rodger quotes...Damn!!
I feel bad for you.

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jont's picture

October 12, 2022 at 01:07 pm

Hatred? Are you daft?

People throw wild, personal insults at somebody, I object to the mean spirited vitriol, and you say I am the one expressing hate?

And it took no time at all. Those were all from one thread. One.

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Since'75's picture

October 20, 2022 at 01:22 pm

OK Tiger, 🙄 ..if you say so.

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Ima Payne's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:54 pm

I cant think of one team who would want an over priced old fart who calls time outs when he hasn't figured out the d he is looking at.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 11, 2022 at 05:15 am

I can.

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Coldworld's picture

October 11, 2022 at 11:59 am

Denver, but that ship has sailed.

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Since'75's picture

October 12, 2022 at 12:42 am

Caden819....
Your issue seems to be with Gute and Murphy, not Rodgers.
*********
Jont.....
You must harbor a lot of hatred to take all that time going through this website and copying all those Rodger quotes...Damn!!
I feel bad for you.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 10, 2022 at 11:59 am

Jenks and Big Bob are still recovering from the ACLs. Both are tentative and not very quick right now. Both will improve with more snaps.

Jenks lost those fantastic feet of his. In time, they will return. He just can't keep up with speed DEs/OLBs during pass pro now. He is run blocking well, however. Moving him to G would help the team and help his pass pro being inside while he continues to gain confidence in the knee.

Tonyan gets a lot of snaps but doesn't do much in the run game. His hands are still good but after the 4-6 yard catch, he is on the ground. Why is Deguara mostly ignored with Big Bob at 75%?

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Tundraboy's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:30 pm

Because Deguara has a "broad skillset" and is a veritable Jack of all trades but master of none.

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Ima Payne's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:08 pm

I see one big problem with promoting a huge running game.
Team A takes the field and believes team B's pass D is pourous, so they throw the ball a lot and effectively. Quikly they are in the end zone 7 points.
Team B is going to run and that takes a lot of plays and a lot of time, giving the d a rest and keeping the pass d off the field. Team A stops the run takes over, and passes into the end zone, now up 14.
My point, you cant take all day running when your opponent is putting points on the board quickly, doesnt work that way.
Our pass D is pourous and our run game is 3 yards here 4 yards there. There is no break away threat here. We lose not being balanced on O

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:30 pm

20-10 half time score was entirely due to a very balanced offense.

What Coach ML and Coach Rodgers ran in the second half was the old MM lopsided 70% perimeter/chunk passing plays that never worked out.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:07 pm

Well you have lead with 10 points after 30 minutes. Your interest is to make opponent nervous. How you'll do that? First you'll chose to slowly move down field. And score, at least FG. Than your opponent have to rush. When you are in hurry, you'll make mistakes. You get the ball. Another long, slow progressing attack moving chains downfield. And you are already spared 20 to 25 minutes of the 30 minutes of the second half. Score another FG. Now they need 2 TD and 2 2 point conversion. I believe they will be very nervous at that moment. And your D is rested and better suited to stop the opponent. There is no way they would won that game.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 11, 2022 at 05:21 am

This is wrong on so many levels. Also, the username strikes a chord in my memory.

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:09 pm

Adam Stenavich is the OC. MM protected his coaches. And it cost him his job. Just saying.

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Untylu1968's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:56 pm

You nailed it! How long have we been witnessing, bomb after bomb, on first and 10, or on third and two? I doubt the different coordinators and different head coaches, game plan in the same fashion? Rodgers has become quite predictable, no matter who's calling the plays, but I believe it's him..

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:00 pm

It looks more and more like it once things upset him.

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Roadrunner23's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:19 pm

1. MLF is an average coach with a once great, but now declining QB and a Super Star receiver who have carried the team. He is not the offensive genius we were led to believe. The run game is the strength of this team yet they defuse to stick to it, can’t fix stupid.
2. The Defense is full of talent but led by one of the worst Defensive Coordinators of all time, can’t fix stupid.
3. The packers went all out to fix special Teams but chose not to find an exciting return man, again can’t fix stupid.
4. The QB is running the team but can’t find the time to get familiar with his new WR’s, instead he’s hanging out in Peru with some medicine man getting high, he’s extorting millions from the packers and laughing all the way to the bank and the packers brass is cool with it, can’t fix stupid.
5. In the off-season the packers quietly gave the GM, the HC and Russ Ball extensions and raises even though they have shit the bed in the playoffs 3 years in a row. When Rodgers leaves it will leave this team financially and talent crippled for a decade. Again, can’t fix stupid!

That is all

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:03 pm

The team can survive paying off LaFleur. It doesn’t touch the Cap. It may have been woeful fiscal management but the Packers can absorb that. Keeping him may be far more costly.

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Yooper56's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:34 pm

I’m really starting to wonder about the coaching. Over and over and over they give up on the run. It’s stupid.

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NWPackersfan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 12:51 pm

Agree with many that just RUN THE BALL more than 19 times a game....especially when we have a lead! We have to become a West Coast offense for awhile....Run First to set-up the short passing opportunities instead of trying to air it out. AR needs to let go of his EGO and realize Davonte isn't there anymore and with time we will have that threat again but for now.....IMO

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NJ-RICK's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:22 pm

The good news is its only been 5 games, we still have 11 games left to play. Plenty of time to fix the Defense and offense. Believe me I'm just as pissed as the rest of the Packer fans. I've said all along its long overdue to get rid of upper MGT. Not happy with Murphy, Gute or Ball. They have had the best two QB's in the league for past 25 years and all they have to show for it is two super bowls. Not enough in my opinion. The team looks really out of sync. So much blame to go around, not surprised so far you could see this coming... Packers are 7 point favored over the JETs, take the JETS and the points. Packers offense is a mess...

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:30 pm

The offense starts with the OL.

Bakhtiari is working his way back. Still isn't being played full time at LT. Once he does the offense will be much better for it.
Jenkins has been playing good and keeps improving. He can move anywhere on the OL and be good. He is shaking off some rust but will only improve as the season goes on. Myers at OC is good and is still improving. Runyan at LG has yet to allow a pressure. He has been very good. The biggest weakness currently is RG with Newman. Yesterday on the first drive of the 3rd Quarter he absolutely got his ass kicked to put it nicely. He allowed the sack and stopped the drive. I saw on twitter today that PFF credited Bakhtiari with 1 pressure, Yosh, Runyan, Myers, Jenkins with 0, and Newman with 4. I don't know if this is accurate, but it was posted on twitter.

So here is the question. What is the best 5 OL moving forward. Bakhtiari, Runyan, Myers are near locks to remain at their spots. The question now is on the right side. Out of these pairings what gives us our best option?
Newman at RG and Jenkins at RT?
Tom at RG and Jenkins at RT?
Jenkins at RG and Yosh at RT?
Jenkins at RG and Tom at RT?

If they decide to move some players around the easiest move would be to put Tom at RG. Its simply swapping Newman for Tom. Tom is a guy who likely will only get better with more playing time. Also with Bakhtiari still not playing full games we really can't move Yosh around during games. Tom might be the best option if they are looking to change. The question with Tom is what is his best position. He has been all over. But would RG or RT be the best spot for him.

The best move going forward could possibly be putting Yosh at RT and Jenkins at RG. They might not be able to make this move until Bakhtiari is fully cleared to play full games. But doing this move they put an experienced OT at RT. And Jenkins at RG which maybe a better spot for him then RT overall.

To me though, getting the OL set will go along ways to improving the Offense as a whole.

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:47 pm

Yeh, Bakh needs Nij behind him for a little longer, he didn't have a good game. I don't know if you used the PFF scores or what, but I agree with your assessment. IMP PFF seems to have lost a lot this year on blocking grades, but who could miss on it this weekend.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:57 pm

You forgot Walker. I don’t know what Jones’s illness is, but leaving him aside as a result, Walker was very good given little to no practice before his one game. If he or they have figured out his issues last year, or healed, then he was projected as a first rounder the year before.

Right now, they can’t move Nijman, not after Bakh’s play last week. If that looks like it could continue, then perhaps it’s time to consider an alternative for later in the season. It’s really annoying that we are wasting one if our best OL as a back up though. I’d rather try Tom on the left for the back up role. He profiles better there, or go with Walker at RT if Jenkins showing on Sunday wasn’t actually him turning the corner.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 11, 2022 at 08:32 am

Not really. While I like him he has been inactive the last few games. I don't think they view him as a guy they feel is ready to start right now.

yeah they can't move Yosh yet. I think Bakhtiari is close to starting full time. They didn't want to push it with the trip. I am guessing maybe not this coming week but the following they will have him going full time.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2022 at 01:54 pm

A reason I refuse to get excited about the preseason reports of wow plays from any player is simple, playing against your own isn't the same as playing against a real opponent.

Yes, players have talent, but the actual ability to apply that talent is more difficult than camp or preseason games, and we know it but succumb to the biased beliefs of the team scouts and team media.

I do not see the perceived above average talent of the many players that have been crowned by the fans or the previous mentioned. I do see overrated veterans, overrated rookies, an overrated HC. overrated Coordinators, a QB that does more harm than good in many ways.

In the recent words of Tom Brady, just a lot of bad football, and it wasn't directed solely at the players. It can be directed at the Packers, and nobody could honestly deny it.

I don't worry that things and play won't get better to place smiles on our faces, but my biggest worry is it won't take much to be ugly again, as it has been through 5 games. Ugly rears its head just when they need it to remain buried, January football, a Packer phenomenon.

We'll be there, and out of there based on this level of play, quicker than normal.

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:51 pm

You never let me down (like the Packers do). Keep after them! Too early to give up on the year but, we have to make sure we have a pad to fall back on, so we aren't hurt like previous years.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2022 at 03:17 pm

There was a time, not long ago, that this type of comment would have me receiving downvotes like rain. Never cared about votes then and still don't, but I'm sad that many are now realizing the disservice being perpetrated by the ORG. For far too long we suffered with redundant season failures while having the one thing near impossible to find, a true HOF QB. GB had two in a row and achieved so little with them. How is possible to have two different coaching staffs, GM, two HOF QBs, and suffer the same results by the same reasons for so long.
I hope for a different outcome, but I fear they simply don't know how to fix it to win it.

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splitpea1's picture

October 10, 2022 at 03:29 pm

Maybe you start by losing Murphy, and establish a traditional order with a GM who acquires the players and hires the head coach who in turn hires his own assistants--and parts company with them before it's too late.

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Tingham's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:34 pm

Murphy has mandatory retirement in July 2025. I seriously doubt he goes before that. MLF, Ball, and Gute safe after their extensions.

Now Joe Barry cant get canned fast enough for me.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:50 pm

Like trimming a branch off a dead tree, the tree will still fall on you

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baldski's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:54 pm

Some of the problem is the curse of having management by committee versus having an owner who could demand better and get it or else!

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:25 pm

....Daniel Snyder, Zygi Wilf, Virginia Halas McCaskey, Sheila Ford Hamp, David Tepper, and Jimmy & Dee Haslam have entered the chat....

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vin0770's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:02 pm

Can’t believe you wrote about getting touches for Watson…”maybe I have been keeping up with current events pal”…he was on the field for 18 out of 69 snaps….hamstring….again 🤪

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jont's picture

October 11, 2022 at 03:39 pm

"He can't make that decision, he's just a grunt! Ah, no offense."

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jhtobias's picture

October 10, 2022 at 02:24 pm

Sometimes a meltdown such as the game yesterday is the only way change happens.

This coaching staff meaning coordinators and head coach are in capable of adjusting minus richh b who is a fabulous coordinator coach.

If Berry is still here by the end of the day then it's up to the players to revolt and tell berry and lafluer to pound sand we refuse to play tour stupid zone defense . Lafluer ain't going anywhere o think he is a good head coach but his play calling and adjustment is non existent and always has been. We need a real oc to call plays. Gutey your call

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croatpackfan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:18 pm

MLF was not BG call, but Mike Murphy call. He also insisted that MLF keep Pettine on the board. And who knows what else. Maybe to show RESPECT to Packers QB, who felt disrespected, by his own words.

So, I trully do not believe that this is BG call. That is Murphy call.

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baldski's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:57 pm

See my comment about management by Committee.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2022 at 07:06 pm

I think it’s management by Murphy when he wants to, since Gute Ball and LaFleur all report to him separately. The opacity simply obscures that most of the time. It’s how Ball could block the hiring of Rizzi on STs long enough to lose the opportunity. It was Murphy who publicly admitted that LaFleur was his choice. He knew he had the man with the “vision” that he wanted and stopped the process. It was Murphy who came out publicly and said they weren’t all stupid and that Rodgers return was their principle objective this off season.

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lkcsmith's picture

October 10, 2022 at 03:10 pm

The Carolina Panthers just fired their head coach. When's GB gonna do the same???

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Untylu1968's picture

October 10, 2022 at 03:27 pm

Maybe they're waiting for him to only win twelve games, or not win the division again?? Holy balls!!

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Packers0808's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:12 pm

Wow that was about as idiotic I have ever seen here!

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Johnblood27's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:55 pm

look at your past posts.... just sayin...

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Packers0808's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:00 pm

Yes I know how good they were, no need to go back, you on the other hand Mr Neagtive!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:26 pm

Why is it always assumed that wanting to run the ball more automatically means getting rid of the passing game? Those of us advocating for the run game, what were really advocating for, is to use the entire playbook. Runs, playactions, screens, tap passes, run action passes, etc. By abandoning the run youre abandoning at least half of the playbook. And this is acceptable because its 2022? No, its insanity. Over the course of games, this offense keeps getting pigeon holed into the same stale passing concepts of the Mccarthy era. It has to end. It needed to end 3 damn years ago when Lafleur was hired.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:28 pm

Alvin Kamara yesterday had 29 touches for close to 194 yards with 6 pass receptions.
Austin Eckler had 20 touches for 199 yards, two TDs, and four pass receptions.

Aaron Jones had 17 touches for 80 yards, with only two receptions. Jones is as good as Kamara and Eckler, or very close to it, yet he's used as a platoon player.

We've overrated this Jones/Dillon backfield. Jones IS the star of this offense and should be used as such. Dillon a superb replacement when Jones needs a breather, but he's nowhere near as good as Jones. I'd have run Jones twice, or run once and passed to him once, on that last goal-line effort. Jones has scored a lot of TDs for the Packers. He's even a tougher inside runner than Dillon because he spots holes better or can break outside if there is no hole. He's one tough mother to bring down. The Packer's misuse of him is a large part of the offensive problem. Make the defense have to worry about him, as we worried about Barkley, and then it'll be the Packers who will be throwing easy crossing patterns instead of the other team.

Oh, and Dameon Pierce, a rookie had 29 touches Sunday.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:35 pm

Good points. I watched the game yesterday and had to also watch Hill, the guy New Orleans plucked off our practice squad a few years back throw for one touchdown, run for three others, recover a fumble on special teams and block like a tight end. I wish we could trade our 3rd round receiver/punt returner, Amari R. for him. Oh yeah, in my dreams.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

October 11, 2022 at 01:11 pm

I disagree with your assessment of Dillon wholeheartedly. Hes being criminally misused. During Lafleur's one year with the Titans Derrick Henry finally broke out after having 2 medicore seasons to begin his career. This was accomplished with a heavy dose of outside zone runs and outside screens that were designed to get Henry and his 247 pound frame outside the numbers with momentum going against 200 pound db's. Dillon was drafted to be used the same way. And how is he being used? Running straight up the middle out of shotgun where has to slow down at the mesh point then run right into a pile 15 times a game. Or theyre lining him up wide like hes Marshall Faulk. Its one of the most egregious wastes of unique talent that I have ever witnessed in my 30+ years of watching football. Dillon could be terrorizing defenses if Lafleur had his way but he has little to no control over this offense. He has to convince Rodgers of a play's effectiveness before he'll run it and Rodgers thinks his stupid shotgun rpo plays are better.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 04:50 pm

Wendell, good overview. I agree with most of your observation.

But (there is always but) Packers should use same way of playing at the beginning of the 3rd Q because it was working. Just to check if this will work further in the game. If that would work stay with the plan. You have 10 points lead and clock is working in your favor. Long drive with possible points to enlarge your score and to put opponent in hurry mode. You'll change that only if that wont work.

Well Packers change it quickly and than found that that type of play does not work. For several reasons. 1st was very bad pass protection plays of OL. Than to obvious plays called in game. And 3rd, but not less important, QB who lost his precision on long passes (6 passes 0 completitions). They still had lead of 7 points after they get the ball back. Time to go to what works. But no. 3 and out. After that they lost cohesion and Giants dominated on the all 3 phases.

Generally, I agree on your tactics, because league are moving in that direction. To make teams to score more points in every game. But you'll not be able to achieve that with coordinator acting like HC, position coach acting like OC and one position coach acting like DC.

Add to that equation aging QB who start to losing his long throws precision (that might be consequence of his broken clavicles - both sides - we know that repaired is never as original), but acting as that does not produced consequences on long run. Also, using any narcotic substances may seriously alter our vision. From alcohol, nicotin. weed to heavy substances. As you use harder drugs, your vision will start to diminish faster. I do not know how hard is that ayahusca drug, but ACR vision already started to diminish few years ago.

I believe that is the main problems why Packers lost last game (and first this season) and won 3 games "ugly".

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GP1's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:11 pm

Giants coach stated at half time that all they needed to do was fix the line of scrimmage and put their hands up. They did both.DC Barry has all that talent but does not use it. Rogers can not accept that he is not the player he was once MLF has never really been a play caller, he added it to his resume as opposed to learning the trade. Our team looks poorly drilled. How does a R.B. run into his own team mate? How do 2 wide receivers run into each other? How does Rogers continue to not see the open player? Why is Amari Rogers returning? He still doesn't get it. Much to be done - do we have then coaches to do it?

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:29 pm

Maybe just maybe this team is only good enough to beat other soft teams.. after getting punched by the Giants they blinked and buckled. The Jets play hard nosed too.
ML don’t tell us next week you have to do better. You have zero credibility after keeping Drayton employed an extra 13 weeks. Unfortunately this is the 2022 Packers..

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wildbill's picture

October 10, 2022 at 05:41 pm

Been going to Green Bay every year, except Covid year, for a game that I started back when Favre was our QB. Luckily have only viewed one loss(ouch the cowgirls). Will be there for the Jets game and for the first time I have no confidence in this teams ability to play good football. I may be getting old but this is the first time I’m not looking forward to the trip. I always get great seats, yea I know they are pricey, and this year got even better. The games are just entertainment but what I have watched this year has not been entertaining.

Patience always seems to pay off but waiting for LaF and Barry to change is time wasted, just hope we have no injuries….

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JohnnyLogan's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:07 pm

Listening to LaFleur's presser today gave me little confidence that he gets it. He was asked, as gently as possible (maybe it shouldn't have been that gentle) if when he hired Barry this is the defense he envisioned. He was asked; Why do our CBs play so far off the receivers?... Why is the defense so passive?... Why no blitzing?... and his response, or blather, more accurately, was almost incomprehensible."What do you mean by blitz?" "It's all situational." "Well, if you do this then this has to happen... blah blah blah. "Then the usual palp, "We have to be better." "We let them get the momentum."

He referenced a play from a number of years ago when they blitzed the 49ers and the back took it for a long gain. He was afraid Barkley would do the same thing. He's still obsessed and scared by a play from years ago.

When asked if he was contemplating any changes he responded with "Well, what do you suggest?" I wish the reporter had been more aggressive and said "How about replacing your punt returner who has no speed, no moves, and can't hold on to the ball? How about sitting Newman on the bench instead of on the playing field where he's usually planted? The same goes for Lowry, the human revolving door.

LaFleur is the problem at the moment. Not creative enough to call a game, not tough enough to hold people accountable.

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Ima Payne's picture

October 10, 2022 at 10:19 pm

I agree with most except imo we blitz every down. We're rushing 5 not the usual 4. We send 6 sometimes. We can't put a major blitz on because our d backs are boneheaded morons.

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wildbill's picture

October 11, 2022 at 12:22 pm

That’s the elephant in the room. Our DBs are great athletics but dumber than a box of rocks. Having to memorize their responsibilities in the defensive calls is beyond them. People probably did their assignments in college. How hard is it to know the opposing teams top offensive players and not let them run loose without anyone near them? You can put the blame on the coaches but not a Pettine fan but many times I watched a good defensive call get wasted by miscommunications and poor tackling. Some things never change.

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Swisch's picture

October 10, 2022 at 06:15 pm

I'd like to see Juwann Winfree get at least one game in which he is on the field throughout and gets some plays called for him.
He has been around for a couple of seasons, so he knows the offense better than the rookies, and probably has more work with Aaron Rodgers in practice.
Let's find out about Winfree with a real opportunity.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 10, 2022 at 07:00 pm

Good post Swisch.

Personally, I would prefer de-activating Amari, and activating Toure for the game. It's time for a shake up. We'd actually have a kick returner who actually potentially contributes on offense as well. This seems like the perfect game for it.

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Swisch's picture

October 10, 2022 at 07:50 pm

Thanks, 13TimeChamps.
I'd also like to see Toure, as well as Winfree, get some significant time on the field.
Let's really give a good look to who we have right now, in part because we have no choice, in part to give our own guys an opportunity.
I mean, it doesn't seem likely we'll find huge help from another team, although it's worth exploring. Watkins and Watson may not be available all that much, if at all, and Watson may be best used so early in his career for an occasional deep route.
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I would possibly include Amari in the group of guys to try in game action. To me, he's looked promising enough as a returner, if not spectacular.
If the Packers have any good hopes for him, let him have a day or two on the field to show his stuff.
If he's so bad that he's not worth a couple of games of meaningful action, then maybe he should be cut, or put on the practice squad.

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wildbill's picture

October 11, 2022 at 12:23 pm

Every DC in the NFL knows our plays.

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FAN24583's picture

October 10, 2022 at 07:19 pm

Has Amari Rodgers been cut yet? Has Barry been fired? Packers brass won’t do it they are the problem

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2022 at 08:07 pm

Is anyone watching the Cheifs game now? Adams cooking the Chiefs D on deep passes. Oh boy seems to that is what 12 is missing Adams used to cover up for him on some of under thrown balls with the amount of separation he is getting.
It could be that Qb 12 's some of the deep passing woes were covered up by Adams.

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Ima Payne's picture

October 10, 2022 at 10:22 pm

Scantling having career day and st brown had a big day. Rodgers never developed these guys.

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Packers1985's picture

October 11, 2022 at 12:32 am

Without developing he had 2100+ receiving yards Packer's in 4 seasons. He is breaking out because of what he developed with packers and still shares good relationship and have Rodgers on high regards. Coming to St.brown he hardly stayed on the field either mostly injured or when given a chance dropped passes. He is only getting chances on bears roster as there are no other good receivers on that team. If you call 6 receptions for 110 so far a career yr for a 5th yr pro i seriously think you might be joking.

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BAMABADGER's picture

October 10, 2022 at 08:26 pm

1) Run the ball to set up play action passing.
2) Utilize the screen pass when defenses blitz
3) Take what they give you and trust your receivers a la TB.
4) Get an offensive minded coach that can make real game adjustments
5) Get your second round draft choice involved in routes down field not just running jet sweeps and passes behind the line of scrimmage.
6) Where is Sammy??????

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 10, 2022 at 08:43 pm

"6) Where is Sammy??????

Kind of hard to play when you're on IR

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Coldworld's picture

October 11, 2022 at 12:05 pm

Story of his career unfortunately.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:22 pm

Find a way to get Rodger's head out of his ass.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:23 pm

And a way for MLF to grow a pair.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:39 pm

But seriously, I don't think there is a remedy for what we have now, the monster has been created already and fully grown. Star quarterback who is too stubborn to change unless it comes from coaches that are smarter and more experienced than him which we don't have. I don't even know if someone like Holmgren Or Bill Belichick could get through to him.

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Since'61's picture

October 10, 2022 at 10:15 pm

Tundraboy - I think that Holmgren and Andy Reid at the least would get through to him. Why? Because they are great NFL head coaches. They are both excellent play callers and they have great offensive minds. Just compare Favre during the Holmgren era versus the post Holmgren era.

They are also capable of handling Rodgers issues because neither one would put up with any BS especially on the field. If they expect a play to be run it better be run or the Qb is going to hear about it. "No more rocket balls."

The problem with MLF is that Rodgers knows MLF needs him more than he needs MLF. Coaches like Holmgren and Reid would have so much than MLF to offer Rodgers from a teaching and play calling perspective. MLF has probably plateaued in terms of what he can offer to Rodgers from a coaching perspective. That's on MLF and it's on Murphy for hiring a coach who cannot establish an" I'm the Coach and you're the player" relationship beginning on Day 1. Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

October 10, 2022 at 09:39 pm

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Since'61's picture

October 10, 2022 at 10:03 pm

For the Packers to improve their passing game the following steps needs to happen:

1. Improve the pass protection. The passing offense starts with pass protection and the results of the passing game are the direct output of pass protection.
I'm not saying the protection has been bad but it could use to be improved. I would advocate to move Jenkins back to LG and put Nijman at RT and Runyon at RG.
That puts our best 5 OL on the field. Left to Right; Bak, Jenkins. Myers, Runyon, Nijman. I don't think that Jenkins is confident play at RT. His been good in the run game but very shaky in pass protection. He might feel more confident back on the left side of the OL.
2. Run the football. That also requires excellent play by the OL. Running the ball sets up play action and creates opportunities for the passing game.
3. Move the QB. Rodgers is the best QB ever at throwing the ball on the run. The Packers do not move the pocket as much as they have in the past. This is another example of our coaches not utilizing a player's strength.
4. Throw to our RBs. They are our best players and they are both good receivers.
5. Get our TEs more involved.
6. Coach up our receivers on route running because they are all over the place. Simplify the routes for the young receivers.
7. Rodgers needs to focus on hitting the open receiver even if they have not run their route perfectly. He is good enough to adjust to a receiver not exactly in the correct spot.
8. Pass when the run is expected. Keep the defense off balance.

I'm concerned about Rodgers because he is not making good decisions as he has throughout his career. I don't know if that is due to receivers running poor routes or defenses adjusting their coverage or other factors but his decisions on where he is throwing the ball has been off so far this season. Except for a few drives he has not looked comfortable this season.

Not making any excuses for Rodgers but over his entire career he has never had a first round WR to throw to except for TE Mercerdes Lewis in the last few seasons.
He's had some great receivers like Jennings, Jordy and Adams but never a first rounder.

Plenty of season left to improve the passing game. Overall the Packers need to get in sync with their passing game and on defense. Thanks, Since '61

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Fabio's picture

October 11, 2022 at 02:39 am

Hello Since '61
As usual I find myself very in tune with what you say.
What I find paradoxical today is that, by virtue of the changes that have occurred in our offense, the only hopes are again placed always and only on AR.
And here I think all the contradictions of how the team was composed come out.
It is true, our offense must be centered on the run ..... but are we sure we have a line capable of opening spaces for the run against great defenses ??? I do not think so.
And then if we don't have a workaround in the passing game we're in really bad shape. They will say: "We have Lazard", "We have Doubs", We have AJ "...., but the reality is that we are not a great attack !!!
And here comes the big question !!!!
We had to have a D top 5, but today we are not even in the Top 10 !!! LIKE EVERY YEAR OF THE LAST 11, we can't rely on D to win the deciding game !!!!! THERE IS NO SENSE OF URGENCY AND AGGRESSIVITY !!! We can say so many things, that MLF is unsuitable (I believe it), that Barry is unsuitable (I believe it), but I also think that the stark truth is that maybe we are overestimating the value of many players just because they play in our favorite team. .
With all this and despite everything, we are still clinging to AR who, however old, however problematic and for how much he is paid (he hasn't robbed anyone !!), is the only one who can save us !! I hope I have not been boring and that the spark is triggered to reverse the trend this season
A greeting to you soon

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2022 at 10:44 pm

Panthers seems to be on season sale. May be time to pick up either of brian burns or DJ moore or both.

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wildbill's picture

October 11, 2022 at 12:26 pm

Not disagreeing with the concept but how we going to pay them?

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Packers1985's picture

October 11, 2022 at 01:55 pm

Same way how many are expecting or calling to add OBJ.

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