Hello Wisconsin: Consider the Torch Fully Passed
Jordan Love has blossomed into a star right before our very eyes.
By TimBackes

There was naturally a lot made in the media about Aaron Rodgers facing the Green Bay Packers for the first time this past week. And, for Rodgers’ part, he generally downplayed it, as did Jordan Love. Rodgers mentioned that there was no “revenge” element to the game at all for him. Love mentioned it would be great to get the victory, but emphasized that there were only positive feelings between him and his former mentor.
And yet it did feel like there was some significance to the way the game played out on Sunday night.
The Packers got off to a characteristic slow start. Penalties and self-inflicted errors (drops, missed field goals, other miscues) prevented the team from scoring more than 7 points in the first half while Rodgers and the Steelers moved down the field relatively freely–at least until they hit long field goal territory.
But all throughout the evening, Love continued to heat up. None of the struggles of the first half were remotely his fault, and once the team around him began to put it together, he put on an absolute show in the second half. At one point, Love had completed a franchise record-tying 20 consecutive passes. Of his few incomplete passes on the evening, almost all of them were either drops or throwaways. He hit a wide variety of receivers from all different platforms. There was no throw Love couldn’t make.
It felt like a big deal that Love put on such a dominant display in front of Rodgers. While it was not Love’s finest game (that honor has to be his coming out party in the playoffs in Dallas), it was certainly among them, and it came on the road against a good team with plenty on the line. Fair or not, the microscope was going to be on Love in this contest, considering Rodgers was on the other sideline, and he showed a primetime football audience exactly why he’s one of the game’s most underrated players on the national scale at the moment.
Broadcasts have made a point to show just how similar Love’s stats are as a starter to Rodgers’ first 40 starts, and it is certainly fascinating to note. But there’s also an air of 2009-2010 Rodgers around Love at the moment, where Packer fans are starting to realize that he’s a special player, but the rest of the football world hasn’t quite caught on yet.
But if they haven’t yet, they will soon. Love has been consistently very good to excellent this entire season so far. Currently for this season he’s on a record pace for completion percentage (70.9, previous best was 66.7), yards (256.9 per game, previous record was 244.6), yards per attempt (8.4, previous best was 8.0) and rating (112.8, previous full season best was 96.7). He’s near a PR pace for touchdowns (on pace for 31, best is 32) and has only thrown two interceptions (11 each of the past two years).
Love has shown he’s capable of this for stretches in the past, but now he’s proving week in and week out that he’s exactly who the Packers were hoping he could be. And he’s been doing all of this without his full complement of receivers.
And what’s more: he’s still getting better and better.
So this week was something of a torch passing. Yes, Love has already been carrying the baton for the last several years, but for him to have this kind of game in front of Rodgers felt truly symbolic of the arrival of a new era. Rodgers’ career is just about at its close, but the future with Love has never looked brighter.
It’s time for another long, fun ride to begin.
Wisconsin Beer of the Week

Explorium Brewpub here in MIlwaukee has been seeing some expansion lately. What started as a location in a dying mall in Greendale (which still exists, by the way) turned into another location in the third ward in Milwaukee, and now has led to Explorium purchasing Good City Brewing earlier this year. Good City had seen some momentum with its east side location and its stint in the Deer District, but with the shakeup in the local craft beer scene that’s been happening for the last year or so, it seemed natural that there would start to be some condensing.
This particular beer is Explorium’s Milwaukee County Stout. Generally I’ve had more of Explorium’s lighter offerings, so when this can was gifted to me, I was surprised to learn it was brewed by that same mall brewery I’d occasionally stopped at. And I have to say, its quality was a pleasant surprise.
Weighing in at a hefty 12 percent ABV with 65 IBUs (putting this on the slightly more bitter side for a stout), this was a beer brewed for a black friday 2024 release. I’d expect, then, that we’ll see it (or something similar) again this year.
Explorium writes that those tasting should “expect a full body with complex wood, vanilla, and molasses notes drawn from the barrel.” The beer also contains lactose.
The Explorium folks are locals themselves, so it’s always good to be able to support. Check out their stuff if you’re looking for a new brewery in the Milwaukee area to try!
Pass rush will have to continue doing the heavy lifting
It continues to be clear just how crucial it is for the Packers’ front seven to carry the team on defense, because the secondary (or, more specifically, the cornerbacks) are not up to the task.
I’ll give Carrington Valentine some credit; he got the start on Sunday night and was a clear improvement over whatever it was Nate Hobbs was putting out there. But in general, the cornerbacks are easily the weakest link on the team, and it has shown regularly when the pass rush isn’t able to consistently get home.
Now, to the credit of that front seven, the team did a pretty solid job of rushing the passer on Sunday evening. The Packers sacked Aaron Rodgers three times and had some success in generating pressure in the second half when bringing additional rushers. Micah Parsons’ sack on the evening featured him getting the better of three different blockers. Rashan Gary continues what has been the best season of his career when it comes to the pace with which he’s racking up sacks (almost certainly due to the presence of Parsons on the other side). Even players like Kingsley Enagbare are getting good looks in the rotation.
The rest of the front seven has continued to generally play well. Edgerrin Cooper was all over the field on Sunday night, making plays that included a critical forced fumble. Quay Walker has matured into a strong player with outstanding lateral speed and solid instincts, but perhaps most impressive was the growth he showed in refusing to react to the dirty poke to the eye he took from D.K. Metcalf. Past versions of Walker would have retaliated immediately or escalated the situation (remember, he was ejected from two games his rookie year), but this version of Walker was completely collected and calm, and drew a 15-yard penalty.
Finally, having Devonte Wyatt back, though perhaps not at full strength, has clearly made a difference. His presence in the middle gives opposing offensive lines yet another force they need to be worried about.
But when those guys aren’t making their magic happen… it’s a struggle. Keisean Nixon has had a couple very solid games this year, but also some moments where he’s been completely exposed in coverage. Nixon, for all the benefits he brings to a football team in his toughness and attitude, is not a top-flight cornerback, and cannot be expected to put the clamps on teams’ top receivers with consistency. Valentine needs more time in the lineup to assess where he’s at now in the third year of his career, but as mentioned previously, he at least seems to be an upgrade over Hobbs.
It’s clear that the Packers are going to need to go hard on corner in the offseason, but until then, it’s unlikely any help is coming. This means the pressure is really going to be on that front seven to keep their level of play consistently high. They’re certainly capable, but they cannot afford to disappear in big games.
Tucker Kraft is the best Packers tight end of my lifetime
In fact, I’m not sure there’s really anyone I’d put on a level close to that.
It’s famously been a long time since the Packers have had a truly high-quality player at the tight end position, and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen one with Kraft’s difference making ability. Obviously, Kraft’s abilities as a pass catcher are going to make the headlines, and especially his ability after the catch. But he’s also a great in-line player, capable of being a difference maker in the run game.
When you think about Packers tight ends who have played during my period of football consciousness (just over 30 years, as I’m 37), there aren’t a lot of guys who would even be in the conversation.
In the 90s, you had a couple years of Keith Jackson, who came to the Packers well into his career and was primarily a receiving threat. You also had Mark Chmura, who was a reliable receiving target and blocker, but probably didn’t do either as well as Kraft does.
In the 2000s there was Bubba Franks, who was a great redzone threat but was never the kind of guy who would stretch the field, and despite his size was not a guy who was necessarily the greatest run blocker.
After that there was Jermichael Finley, who had a ton of unrealized potential. Finley’s talent was immense, but it was pretty much solely limited to receiving; he tended to play more like a slot receiver than a tight end, and was not a three-down player like Kraft.
There was a single year of Jared Cook, and Cook was solid, but certainly not what one might consider a dynamic threat. Maybe in comparison to predecessors like Richard Rodgers and Andrew Quarless, I guess.
No, it’s pretty clear that Kraft is the best the team has produced in the last several decades. Old heads can point back to Ron Kramer as possibly the best point of comparison, but when you start looking back that far, it’s nearly impossible to compare players across eras.
Kraft is going to be a very rich man very soon, and hopefully the Packers are able to be the ones to afford him.
Around the NFC North
As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North.
- The CHICAGO BEARS finally saw their four-game winning streak snap at the hands of a desperate Baltimore Ravens team, and they looked pretty bad in defeat. Caleb Williams was particularly uninspiring, and while he’s had some promising moments, he’s still looking far too overwhelmed for a guy who was supposed to be a generational #1 pick. Still, the Bears have very obviously improved from a season ago, and at the moment, they don’t seem to be a *bad* football team any more. But they definitely have a lot of improving to do before they can hope to push for a playoff spot.
- The DETROIT LIONS are coming out of a bye at 5-2 and have an important divisional clash against the Vikings awaiting them. The team seems to have recovered from its rough start to the season, but that week one Packers loss combined with the Packers’ tie could both be factors that come back to haunt this team. The Lions need to start picking up some steam now, because the Packers also seem to be improving after some stumbles, and Detroit certainly hopes to be able to at least draw even by Thanksgiving when these two teams have a pretty significant clash.
- The MINNESOTA VIKINGS have a problem at quarterback. Carson Wentz is broken and bad, and nobody knows exactly how seriously JJ McCarthy is injured. When McCarthy first went down, Adam Schefter reported it would be a two to four week injury. Now it’s been five weeks, and Schefter is saying that the plan was “always” for it to be six, which just feels fishy. There has been a lot of speculation floating around about the extent of McCarthy’s injury and whether he was simply just benched, but with how the team has performed with Wentz under center, they’re going to have to make a move back sooner or later. The question just becomes whether McCarthy is actually any better.
Mr. Backes’s “This or That”
Every day I put a different “this or that” poll up on my whiteboard and have students leave tallies throughout the day. I then compile this information and post it here for laughs.
Here’s what we’ve seen over the last week:
- Volleyball defeated basketball
- Wordle defeated connections
- Big city defeated small town
- Sour patch defeated Skittles
Week 9 NFL Picks
The Panthers are an improved team over the last couple years, no doubt about it. However, the Packers are back at home, and hopefully starting to find themselves in a rhythm. A noon on a Sunday; boy, that’s going to be refreshing. To me, there’s no reason to expect the Packers to not win this one.
Packers 30, Panther 13
The whole slate:
RAVENS over Dolphins
49ERS over Giants
CHARGERS over Titans
LIONS over Vikings
PATRIOTS over Falcons
COLTS over Steelers
BRONCOS over Texans
BENGALS over Bears
PACKERS over Panthers
RAMS over Saints
RAIDERS over Jaguars
BILLS over Chiefs
COMMANDERS over Seahawks
COWBOYS over Cardinals
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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.
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Comments (33)
T7Steve
October 30, 2025 at 07:14 am
Raiders over Jaguars, Tim? Do you have inside information or is there an injury I'm not aware of?
We can complain about the D-backs all we want but the NFL has tied their hands and they're going to get beat on every team. Amping up the pass rush as best they can and maybe the safeties can help more and create the elusive turnover. Otherwise, they just have to outscore the other team by beating their D-backs.
porupack
October 30, 2025 at 07:16 am
Ok, I don't know what 'official' means these days, but I'll give you the honors.... Backes is the 'office' and I make that official.
Ok, I'm fine pronouncing the passing of the torch and let's finally put this to rest....since...well, it has been passed 3 years ago. Love and Rodgers were both classy and respectful going into this game and not giving media a lot of roadkill to fest on. JLove is a pro, stays focused. Packers can be proud of a drama-less leader. We're still well short of pronouncing him MVP like 'star', and hall of fame-to-be. So far, he is good, a good system-QB, he has really good games when a game plan sets him up. He isn't yet a QB that will carry the team on his shoulders (he might emerge as such, but not yet).
Bitternotsour
October 30, 2025 at 09:28 am
a "system" quarterback? surely you're trolling.
J-Rome
October 30, 2025 at 07:19 am
Just some JJ McCarthy intel, when he first came back to practice they didn’t really talk about rehabbing they talked about working on his fundamentals and his consistency. However they insisted he’s out because he’s injured. It sounds like a soft benching to me
BuckyBadger
October 30, 2025 at 07:27 am
One of the handicapping podcasts I listen to has Dr. Chow who worked for the Chargers for nearly 2 decades has been saying since the first game McCarthy sat out that this was a soft benching. He said the injury was real but if it was Mahomes or Allen they would be playing. It wasn't going well and they had an experienced backup to take a few starts.
IMO he never should have been a 1st round pick. Even at UM he wasn't the reason they won, in big games they would barely let him throw the ball.
dobber
October 30, 2025 at 08:24 am
Christian Ponder 2.0
Bitternotsour
October 30, 2025 at 09:31 am
That they passed on both rostered quarterbacks Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold will turn out to be as detrimental to the Vikings as the Hershel Walker trade. Front office malpractice.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2025 at 01:31 am
Viqueens strike again!
mnbadger
November 02, 2025 at 11:19 am
Great reference.
I hope jj lingers for 3 years then improves in year 4 so the vikings can extend him for $200 million.
As a MN resident, it's both hilarious and sad at the same time.
The good folks over here deserve better.
ie : second place in the division every year and 1st round road playoff loss.
GPG!
Starrbrite
October 30, 2025 at 10:39 pm
Well said J-Rome
BuckyBadger
October 30, 2025 at 07:24 am
The torch was passed years ago. Had they lost the game do we think the prevailing thought in and around the franchise would be we would drop Love? Of course not. Love took the reigns of the team in his first year when he lead the team on the winning streak that lead to beating Dallas in the playoffs. After that he wasn't going anywhere for the next several years.
After the Panthers game the schedule heats up. We will see if this team is ready to contend. Games vs the Eagles and Lions will show who is best in the NFC (minus possibly Seattle, that team is another to watch out for. Very well coached).
T7Steve
October 30, 2025 at 07:40 am
I think there's no shortage of good teams in the NFC. You didn't even mention the Rams, for instance, and we have a long way to go before feeling comfortable playing the 9ers even as banged up as they are. Washington might have fallen off a little only to be replace by a sneaky Giants team that wants to surprise the teams they play.
I know you were talking about the Packers' schedule but all the teams in the NFC come into play because we hope and assume the Packers will be in the playoffs.
BuckyBadger
October 30, 2025 at 08:00 am
Rams are dangerous as well. The NFC has been the stronger division this year but I think teams are starting to separate. IMO the Packers, Lions, Seattle, Rams and Eagles are your contenders. Tampa has its issues on D and the injuries are catching up to them. Philly hasn't played well but they have so much talent on that roster I can't leave them off. 49ers have suffered to many injuries and their lack of talent at QB is starting to show, they don't concern me. Daniels in Washington is having a bit of a sophomore slump, maybe he pulls out of it. Their D is also long in the tooth and I don't consider them top contenders.
Only 6 teams have a positive point differential in the NFC at the moment and it is the 5 teams I called contenders and Tampa.
T7Steve
October 30, 2025 at 08:15 am
Good list.
Now! If the Packers can outplay the ones that aren't contenders, it will be a good start. They're starting to make a believer out of me because they're at least cutting back on mistakes that cost games even if they haven't eliminated them. They have to take the next step and get out of the "squeak by" mode for whomever they play. They always seem to play well against the good teams but those are the ones that would have made them pay for the mistakes and miscues they made last week that they got away with.
BuckyBadger
October 30, 2025 at 09:01 am
Thanksgiving day in the Lions Den will be the day I get excited or think we are just destined to be disappointed in January. They don't have to win the game, just have a chance to win it at the end.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2025 at 01:35 am
GB HAS TO win that game!
(Not that I'll turn my back on the team if they don't, they just HAVE TO beat the Detroit kittens in their house)
Leatherhead
October 30, 2025 at 10:11 am
Bucky, read the game thread and you'll see that we have people who want Love benched and LaFleur fired.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2025 at 01:36 am
Are those even people? Dead Internet theory suggests maybe they're not.
TarynsEyes
October 30, 2025 at 10:37 am
The QB torch has been transferred, as to Love being the QB of the Packers, but the 'Torch' as proclaimed in this article hasn't, not until Love holds up a Lombardi Trophy, much the same way as Rodgers needed to do to take the 'Torch' from Favre. Until that achievement, Love is the QB for the Packers as any other non-SB winning QB is for their team. Love isn't even a torch-bearer like Marino, unless he at least plays in the SB.
I still believe that too many see things that aren't consistent, and not enough of what is. A win over Pit was nice, but you still saw the bad, and thankfully the Refs totally failed to call two huge penalties against GB which could have altered the end result. The blatant offsides which ended a Pitt drive, and the Offensive PI against Kraft that swayed momentum and a TD for GB. Enjoy the win, but never ignore reasons for it, as those usually come back to bite you.
Bitternotsour
October 30, 2025 at 11:25 am
lost some money on that one, did you? keep betting, i'm sure you'll be even soon.
TarynsEyes
October 30, 2025 at 12:01 pm
I never bet my heart, so, it takes a lot to get me to bet the Packers. I haven't for a while now. SI do, however, save a lot of money with the free rental of your headspace.
Bitternotsour
October 30, 2025 at 01:12 pm
there's plenty of room in mine, you are but a dustball in a grand hall.
NFLfan
October 30, 2025 at 10:12 pm
You should @ least try not be so predictable/obvious.
Leatherhead
October 30, 2025 at 12:22 pm
I have to concur with Taryn on this:
'''The QB torch has been transferred, as to Love being the QB of the Packers, but the 'Torch' as proclaimed in this article hasn't, not until Love holds up a Lombardi Trophy''''
I think this is true. I'm not saying it's right, or fair, or anything else,,,, but it is what it is. This is Green Bay: Starr, Favre, Rodgers, ....if you don't win a Super Bowl, you'll be seated at a side table with Dickey and Majkowski in the Hall of Heroes.
The Referees thing...in every sport I've ever been associated with, the players make mistakes, the coaches make mistakes, the fans make mistakes, and even the officials make mistakes, despite the availability of video technology.
. As the famous Tshirt almost says "Mistakes Happen".
You play the game and try to take it out of the hands of an official's bad call. That's all you can hope for. Officials, and their mistakes, are part of the game, always have been, and will be for a while.
We've been boned by officials before, and we'll be boned again. Of that, I'm certain. So when we benefit from some favorable officiating, I'm not going to complain.
TarynsEyes
October 30, 2025 at 12:47 pm
"We've been boned by officials before, and we'll be boned again. Of that, I'm certain. So when we benefit from some favorable officiating, I'm not going to complain".
Agree, let's simply not boast a win as some great achievement when the
mistakes' were to your greater benefit. Take the win, don't ignore the mistakes that aided/allowed it to occur.
To deny such, especially by the coaches, is a huge detriment to the success of the team down the road, because ignoring them doesn't ensure the same mistakes going your way again, when really needed.
Leatherhead
October 30, 2025 at 02:00 pm
NOTHING ensures the same mistakes going your way again. That's part of the charm of competitive sports.
When they meet to go over the film, if you've screwed up, it's right there on the big screen and your teammates and coaches can see what happened. What makes you think that the coaches are unaware of when they get helped by the ref?
And a win, especially in the NFL , is always a great achievement. You bust your ass with workouts and film study and practices and you hope you get 10 wins or more. Would a basketball player, or a baseball player, be happy with 10 wins? No. Because the NFL is so competitive, and the season so short, every win is a pretty big deal.
WestCoastPackerBacker
October 30, 2025 at 03:41 pm
Disagree on the offensive PI. Watch it again and you’ll see the D-back interfering and Tucker pushing him off to get him off his back. Could easily have been a defensive pass interference. The ref let them both go. Okay they missed an offsides call. Certainly, it wasn’t the reason for the win. And they missed a false start on the Steelers offense as well.
I get that you’re skeptical. I get that you’re wanting consistency before you trust number 10. But this is stretching it a bit, to indicate that a couple of calls by the refs would’ve altered the outcome of this game. Even you should be pretty happy about the play on both sides of the ball. Not so much special teams. That still seems to be a mess.
If the kicker had truly been ready to go, he wouldn’t have missed the field goal that gave the Steelers such good field position that they got an easy FG. And then he missed the other one as well. That’s a nine point swing, that could’ve been in the Packers favor if they had used the other kicker.
Handsback
October 30, 2025 at 11:02 am
In Aaron Rodgers first few years, he had a very strong receiving corp of established and promising young players. Also, I think losing Finley at TE and their safety kept them from additional SBs. Love has a better set of receivers , than Rodgers had at that point of his career. Of course my opinion, but Love is a talented QB with talented receivers and a strong RB group...only limited by MLF sometimes questionable play calling.
JMHO
marpag1
October 30, 2025 at 02:30 pm
Fair assessment, Hands, but I think I would push back about love's receivers being better at the moment. AR had Jennings with 1200+ yards, a super reliable vet in Driver, Jordy on the cusp of greatness (1200+ and 15TDs the following year, and Jonesy with 700 yards and 5 tds. It's entirely possible that the current receivers will break out in the near future, but it's hard for me to say they are better now.
I'll agree that after Finley was out, the current TEs are better, and the RBs are better too. Also, if you're not happy with MLF as a playcaller, did you like MM better? MM was under rated, but I think MLF is better.
WestCoastPackerBacker
October 30, 2025 at 03:48 pm
At least for the Super Bowl run, they got James Starks back from injury and he was enough of a threat that it balanced the offense somewhat.
Bitternotsour
October 30, 2025 at 02:44 pm
Losing Nick Collins was the unsolvable problem. Finley was a nice piece, but Collins was heading toward the hall of fame. They didn't build many people like Nick Collins - speed, size, intuition, intelligence. We never got safety right again until last year.
Starrbrite
October 30, 2025 at 10:52 pm
Exactly right Bitter. Collins was an absolute stud and we have never sufficiently recovered after his loss. I think McKinney has a chance as a viable replacement, but haven’t really seen it this year.
HarryHodag
October 30, 2025 at 02:42 pm
Love has he ability to succeed, and has done so already. But we must not forget that Brett Favre led the Packers to two Super Bowls, winning one. Bart Starr won two Super Bowls along with other NFL championships. Aaron Rodgers has been to, and won, one Super Bowl.
Jordan Love will join the ranks of "the torch being passed' when he joins those QB's in the Super Bowl. Right now he's Don Majkowski, a good quarterback with something to prove.