Gut Reactions: Packers 29 Vikings 29

  • The NFL hates football.
  • That said, the Packers died of self-inflicted wounds today. 
  • Jaire Alexander is a player. 
  • You can not roll out Kyler Fackrell with the game on the line and expect to be taken seriously.
  • Way too many 3rd and long situations on offense. The Packer struggle with those when Rodgers is healthy, let alone on one leg. 
  • The holding call on Lane Taylor was atrocious. 
  • As was the roughing call on Matthews. 
  • The running game was a pleasant surprise when McCarthy wasn't ignoring it. 
  • And yes, I'm sorry, but the Packers had to overcome the refs and their coach today and just couldn't do it. 
  • After the Clinton-Dix interception, just run the damn ball. 
  • I love the Jamaal Williams shimmy after he picks up a first down. 
  • Davante Adams is a bad man after the catch. 
  • The Vikings kicker just missed another field goal. 
  • Mason Crosby is a weapon. Tough miss at the end of regulation but still a hell of a day. 
  • Geronimo Allison is turning into a really solid player. 
  • I hate ties. 
  • I need a drink. 
  • Go Pack. 

 

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:22 pm

I never thought that the NFL would be able to make me start to lose interest in the game, but they're actually starting to do it. Too many times games are swung based on some totally subjective call on a defensive penalty or perhaps on the definition of a catch. It's actually really getting less fun to watch, IMO.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm

Agree Idiot Fan. I just spent/wasted over 4 hours of my day watching what I believe is football but I have to question that now. Win or lose as a fan you just want a fair and honest outcome. Today we didn't come close to fair. The Matthews hit on the qb could be the straw that broke us the fans' back. The game should have been over at that point. Shame on the NFL if this is the product they want on the field.!!

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carlos's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:10 pm

It makes you wonder if refs are controlling games for the “new” betting policies. Refs and the NFL brass are in collusion when it comes to wrecking games. I agree with you all, but I’m going to continue watching.

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carlos's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:18 pm

Commercials, which I hate, are more tolerable than the refs.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:33 pm

it wasnt just the fake Clay call, or even the terrible call of holding on Taylor by an official 40yds away. Generally, the officiating was not up to standard throughout the game.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:30 pm

Yes....exactly. I would like the NFL to tell me what IS a legal tackle and how this was any different than what happened to Aaron earlier. Also, i would like to see some of their bleeping lawyers tell us all how you are supposed to tackle without following through.

This happened in other games I watched this year and i'ts atrocious! I can't watch anymore of this and hear their BS explanation.

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pacman's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:43 pm

We are headed toward two hand touch on the qb.

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Grandfathered's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:31 pm

I agree some bad calls, but they're all subjective. I would hope that as the season goes on the refs improve.

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Nerd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:45 pm

I hope the organized crime influence is removed, but now that gambling is being legalized, I have to assume it's only gonna get worse.

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The TKstinator's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:38 pm

Fuh gedda bout it

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GBPDAN1's picture

September 17, 2018 at 03:17 am

I celebrated a win 3 or 4 times in that game, refs killed us. So did MM.

. Hope King is ok, we obviously need him

. Or OLBs are a mess

. Our D looked absolutely horrible in the 4th quarter ... 3 TDs and a 2 pt

. We can go 5-0-1 before the bye, unless our D collapses again

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Hawg Hanner's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:14 pm

With all the talent brought in on defense it looked way too easy for the Viking passing game. I thought we got rid of Dom Capers?

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cpabandit's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:20 pm

I've posted this many times in the past but unfortunately the Green Bay defense always make the opposing QB a future HOF.

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pacman's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:45 pm

Sorry, this time Cousins earned it. He is good. Like it or not, so are the Vikings. But we still should have won that game!

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CHESSEHEaADDALLAS's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:09 pm

We can’t win when we have the bozo couching the game it is hard to blame the running game when bozo does not know what it means .as far as the calls go right or wrong you know they are protecting the qb it was a bone head move. If Vincent was our gm mathewes would be on the next train out of town

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:17 pm

If vincent was our GM there would be a terrible odor wafting around the front offices.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

September 17, 2018 at 05:31 am

Weekend at Vinny’s.

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Nerd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:53 pm

Every time we got the dagger, it was taken away. That tends to make the opposing team look better than they really are.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:39 pm

Take away the interception or add the Graham
Interception, either, and the stats would look very different.

Cook did little on the ground. Cousins did through a perfect pass on the long 75 yarder to get back in the game. Need to give credit where it is due.

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holmesmd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:09 pm

It was 80 degrees and they were gassed. Despite giving up too many yards & big plays, I thought the D put us in a position to win a few times. Could you say that about past units?

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Gort's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:45 pm

I couldn't agree more on the 2 point conversion. I was screaming at the TV to watch the single guy at the top.

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Nerd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm

I paid $300 for Sunday Ticket. Still haven't been able to watch a game yet.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:02 pm

Who pays to watch the NFL , let alone $300 ?
Brilliant !!!

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Nick Perry's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:48 pm

People who are Packers fans who don't live in that market. For someone so smart you sure ask some stupid ass questions!!!

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Rak47's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:01 pm

"Who pays to watch the NFL , let alone $300 ?
Brilliant !!!". ………………………………..If you guessed a higher life form than a troll who's hell bent on spewing negativity for attention you just hit the dailey double, ding! ding! ding!

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Tundraboy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:00 pm

Wow. I went $99 for Game Pass. But I hedged my bet by going installments, since trial was shaky. Glad I did. Only watched Preseason games ,Bears was network anyway,and this game not available for some reason. What a joke. Guess I'll wait for the all 22 on this game,but maybe not.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 17, 2018 at 05:44 am

If your anything like me TB you might not want to watch it. NEVER have I understood the phrase "A tie is like kissing your sister" more than I did Sunday. It TOTALLY feels like a loss.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:34 am

So true NP. By the way I saw everything but the blocked punt and the last series.,in a crystal clear free stream.
Can not bear to watch again.

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Rak47's picture

September 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm

That is true, yet it is all perspective. As far as I'm concerned I knew the Packers were not going to win every game, so I still expect them to win 12 games they'll just be 12-3-1 instead of 12-4. :}

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GBPDAN1's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:52 pm

Is the NFL going to put a red Jersey on the QBs next?

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Norm's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:45 pm

After being a fan of the NFL since the early 70's I never thought I'd be there with you Idiot but it's starting to happen to me too. Sports is all about the highs and the lows, but the highs should stay highs and the lows should stay lows. Now after every play I find myself hesitating, rather than immediately cheering or cringing, as I wait to see if there is a penalty, was there a timeout, will it be overruled on the replay, etc.. Sports isn't supposed to be like that, I might as well record the game and watch the highlights, the instant drama is gone. I find myself having no interest in watching any other games that don't involve the Packers, and I used to be good for 5-6 games a week, and every single playoff game. Think about that Goodell.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 16, 2018 at 10:06 pm

I'm with you, Norm. It's not much fun anymore to watch an NFL game for all the reasons you've stated so well.

I'd add the camera work is excellent at times, but whomever calls the production shots makes any kind of flow impossible. If it's not multiple replays, it's close-ups of the head coach, DC, OC whoever on the sideline, or some dipshit in the stands, between plays. What if they allowed us to watch the damn game?

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The TKstinator's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:24 pm

You keep making good points like this, we’re gonna hafta upgrade you to Dummy Fan. ;)

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Mojo's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:54 pm

Thought the same thing Idiot. After the CM3 call I thought to myself why am I even watching this? I turned the game off in OT .

It's a farce all to often with the outcome predicated by the whims of the refs who will call the same play one way and totally different the next time.

About mid-week we'll get a mea culpa from the NFL on the call leaving me to wonder why do I take any of this seriously.

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cpitt's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:22 pm

MM better be gone if they dont win the SB this year. Guy is clueless

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CHESSEHEaADDALLAS's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:17 pm

BOZO NEEDS TO BE GONE and take MAThEws WITH HIM ROADS WAS BETTER T HIS

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Barnacle's picture

September 17, 2018 at 06:43 am

CPIT

MM .........wastes timeouts, passing with under 2 minute and 1st down and a lead, having QB f—- around and drawing penalties from both teams and wasting timeouts, retaining an inept ST coach, and giving absolutely inane press conferences.

Mashed Potato Mike is a bad coach. He should be terminated.

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EdsLaces's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:23 pm

Exactly...run the damn ball.Worst call ever on Clay. Alexander is gonna be a stud. And lastly, the NFL does hate football!!!

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm

Yep, running the ball after the 2:00 minute warning, would have at least taken away two time-outs, but I agree that we needed a touchdown. Thought the best time to throw and go for the touchdown was when there was 2:05 on the clock and a 1st down. But, I don't blame MM here.

We went for the clincher and it did not work out. We should have won the game anyways.....but oops, forgot refs control the outcome in the NFL.

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The TKstinator's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:26 pm

“Foot on the gas” vs “clock management”

When you don’t win, you picked the wrong one.

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:46 pm

It's amazing how the fan base is never wrong after the game is over.

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The TKstinator's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:23 pm

Just win, baby.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:29 pm

I am a member of the anti-MM club. I have no problem with the late playcalling. All I ask when the team needs a first down or points to seal the game is that the call should be appropriate given the defensive personnel and what they are showing.

I thought those two plays especially the pass to Davante in the end zone had a solid chance of plunging the dagger into MN.

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pacman's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:47 pm

I'm not upset on the pass to Adams. He should have caught that one. Packers have lacked killer instinct in past. The way Cousins was starting to carve us up, I think it was a good call.

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mrtundra's picture

September 17, 2018 at 10:03 am

There was also a helmet to helmet on Adams while he was on the turf, on that play, that wasn't called. We should have had the ball, first and goal, on the 1 if the refs would have thrown a flag.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:41 pm

King looked really good in coverage to me. Hope his groin injury is minor.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:42 pm

In the first half Toomer seemed to be making a lot of tackles. I will be interested to see how he grades out.

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4thand10's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:10 pm

Grahams touchdown was also taken away on a phantom holding call...Green Bay was winning this game. Mistakes were made but not nearly the magnitude of the mistake made by The officials.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

September 16, 2018 at 11:48 pm

Kenny Clark is a beast.

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:24 pm

Bad officiating, bad defense, bad offensive line play, questionable play calling at the end.

Tough to win when the officials and bad decisions by your coaches decide the outcome of the game.

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Nerd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm

If the NFL is concerned about it's ratings, maybe let the players determine the outcome.

FACT. We were the better team today. The Vikings are exposed, they are who we thought they were. I am not afraid of the Vikings anymore.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:57 pm

They are a very good team. But we were just as good, if not better.

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cpabandit's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:27 pm

Nerd and Idiot, I don't agree with either of you. I feel the Vikings offense was better, making the plays when they needed to be made, scoring TDs instead of FGs. I feel the Vikings play calling was better than the Packers (but that's a given every week, regardless who the Packers play). I feel the Vikings defense was better than the Packers and the 4th quarter defense by the Packers was ridiculously horrible (again, that's a given every week particularly in the 4th quarter).

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Tundraboy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:51 pm

Yes we are,which makes it all the more agonizing.

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Bedrock's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:48 pm

Who’s a good team? The ones in vertical black and white stripes?

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mrtundra's picture

September 17, 2018 at 10:05 am

The vikings are NOT the better team.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:05 pm

I thought your Sunday Ticket wasn't being nice to you. How did you watch the game ?
Also, you should still be afraid of the Vikings.

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holmesmd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:14 pm

Do you ever say anything positive? It’s actually comical. Why do you even follow the team Negative Nancy? Annoying AF.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 17, 2018 at 01:54 am

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

Tarynfor12 is troll! He is always "against"!

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Skip greenBayless's picture

September 17, 2018 at 02:13 am

Croat, from my understanding Taryn is a woman and to be honest she is probably the no. 1 read here. At first I didn't understand her or why she was saying what she was saying but a Troll she is not. She simply appears to provide a different voice to this team and how most see it. I enjoy her and frankly she's funny as hell with some of the things she says. I even speculated that she could be Cows wife and he's feeding her what to say who knows. You take her away and we have what Oppy? Does anyone want to hear what Oppy says. Talk about falling asleep. Taryn12 is a budding rock star.

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Oppy's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:11 am

I'm just curious Dash Riprock, you know who COW is, but you've only got 90 posts here at CHTV. Who were you before? I see you.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:53 pm

....you should have never been afraid of them in the first place.

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carlos's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:27 pm

We did score 29 points on a top defense on a banged up QB. Also had to play against the refs. Considering all that and some bone headed situations I’m glad not to lose. Disappointed for sure.

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Rak47's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm

Disagree on the defense. I think they played solid and made enough plays to win. There's nothing they could do about the officiating. It was 11 vs 18 on that field today. I found it interesting on the Adams TD pass from Rodgers that was called incomplete the refs had absolutely no problem with Harrison Smith drilling a defenseless receiver who made no football move in the helmet with his own helmet and shoulder pads. I promise you if that had been a Vikings receiver they would have called a personal foul.

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fthisJack's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:24 pm

refs were Fu$king atrocious
today. no PI on the pass to Graham and then a play later the push off on Adams....then the mythical ruffing t Cousins and the TD called back on Taylor's phantom hold. 4 plays that kept the Vikings in the game.

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4thand10's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:36 pm

You are correct, anyone watching knows the Packers were winning all day, those calls were crucial. It was like they were trying to keep it close to make up for all the expert predicting that Minnesota was going to win this. I realize calls can go either way, normal game bla bla bla...but that particular officiating group were worse than college refs.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:46 pm

Worst overall officiating performance I have witnessed since the strike.

Sorry Ricky, wrote before seeing your comment below

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ricky's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:39 pm

Worst officiating in a Packer game since the Fail Mary. Seriously makes me wonder if the opening of gambling in all states had an effect on the calls. I'm usually not a conspiracy person, but if you want to affect a game, you don't get to the players, you get to the refs.

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:23 pm

I had signed up for NFLSunday Ticket but just cancelled my subscription. I'm not paying money to watch games the NFL & their officials have already decided the outcomes of.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 17, 2018 at 05:56 am

Call Direct TV and threaten to change your service provider. Now I've paid for Sunday Ticket EVERY year since 2010. I've gotten 50% off most years or at least some kind of discount. 10 days ago I called and was told the best they could do was six $65 payments over 6 months. I tried and tried to wheel and deal and she wouldn't budge. I didn't order Sunday Ticket opting instead to see if the game would be on in Los Angeles.

Since L.A. now has the Rams and Chargers the Packers aren't on locally anymore here in L.A. Sundays game wasn't on so I called Direct TV for a different voice and hopefully different result.

I was able to get Sunday Ticket FOR FREE this season AND 12 months of FREE HBO & I was able to keep all my previous discounts.

Give it a try.

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LayingTheLawe's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:19 pm

Usually these things even out over a game, but today the refs really leaned toward one side in every call.

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tm_inter's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:24 pm

I was so disgusted with the ref's roughing-the-passer call on Clay Matthews and non-calls on Aaron Rodgers' being roughed up a few times by the Vikings that I lost interest in watching the overtime. I just turned off the tv and found something else to do instead.

Does the NFL mete out punishments for the refs that perform badly? There should be a system of postgame evaluation of the refs that don't do their jobs properly.

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

September 17, 2018 at 06:35 pm

absolutely agree!! They should be fined when they make a bad call, but then the NFL would never admit a "bad call" the NFL sucks under RG. I will not quit watching until AR retires but then it is over!!!!

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fthisJack's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:24 pm

and of course MM glorious clock management.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:31 pm

The thing is, if MM had run the ball three times, people here would be furious saying, "typical MM takes his foot off the gas! He's got to go!" If Adams is able to hang on to that pass in the endzone, the game is over. Here we often want Mike to be bold and go for it. He went for the win there, and it just barely didn't work out. I was actually ok with it.

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Since'61's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:41 pm

I agree. MM was trying to end the game and avoid an 8 point lead with an FG. Even with that the game was over on Alexanader's pick but the officials got involved and called roughing on CM3 which was not roughing but just an atrocious call that cost a victory. Thanks, Since '61

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Charvid's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:17 pm

Terrible call and not even the worst call of the day. The holding call on the Graham touchdown was actually worse and took 4 points off the board. Regulation time never should have ended in a tie.

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The TKstinator's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:28 pm

Same page.
See my post above.

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marpag1's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm

Honestly, I think I’m more pissed off about the Matthews roughing penalty than I was about the Fail Mary. The fail Mary was just some poor Div. III replacement ref who was out of his depth and made a bad call. But this is the NFL actively working to destroy the game by means of its own dumbass rules.

It’s no longer a joke. It really is two-hand touch.

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GVPacker's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm

I concur, the NFL is imploding!

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The TKstinator's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:30 pm

Are we seeing “rampant dumbassery”??

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Mojo's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:09 pm

The thing is CM3 broke no NFL rule(s) on the roughing call. Just total overreacting by a boot-licking ref probably overwhelmed with trying to make sure the new rules are enforced.

Horrible judgement call on a play that need no adjudication.

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marpag1's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:17 pm

After the game, Corrente said, "It has nothing to do with the rule of full body weight... When he hit the quarterback, he lifted him and drove him into the ground."

Unbelievable. Just totally unbelievable.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:48 pm

Lol, that was not driving to the ground. That was a bad ref trying to justify a bad call and making it look even worse.

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holmesmd's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:38 am

Yes. They call it “burping” the QB, which is total BS because Cousins had jumped and his feet were already off the ground! So how does Mathews get called there?! It was just such BS! If anything I might have understood a “late hit” explanation but the statement made to actually justify the call was totally horse***t. Unreal!

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Lphill's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:26 pm

Packers still gave up over 400 yards and 4 TD to Cousins . That is not good.

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm

So much for Pettine being our defensive savior.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:21 pm

Low blow. He had us positioned to win.

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PackerAaron's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:36 pm

3 of those TDs came in the 4th quarter. They just ran out of gas.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:40 pm

House having to go in for King was also crucial.

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mrtundra's picture

September 17, 2018 at 10:08 am

King's injury exposed how bad House was covering a speedy receiver like Diggs.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm

Kevin King not being in there killed us the most. Will that guy ever be able to play a game without getting injured? We needed him that second half damnit!!

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:23 pm

Sure, but all of the games are going to last 4 quarters.

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4thand10's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:39 pm

Yes, Lphill....all in the last 4 minutes...

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4thand10's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:52 pm

20-7 heading into the 4th....

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Tundraboy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:08 pm

And perfect opportunity to put it out of reach. Bad calls notwithstanding,its all the more crucial to keep pushing bcause shit happens, and hell of a lot more for us it seems. Now its apparent we need even more of a cushion in this crazy League. No lead is safe. D deserved better, what more could you ask of them. At the end they were exhausted. So am I.

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Rak47's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:54 pm

Lmao, when you sack him and pick him off and the refs give it back to them what do you expect. Get a realistic perspective. How many fu***g plays do you expect the defense to make? The refs gave the queens 2 TD's while saving Cousins @$$ several more times giving him plenty opportunities to pad his stats. Kirk Cousins is a good QB when you force him to make a mistake it has to count, he's not gonna keep making them over and over just because the refs bail him out on his previous ones.

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4thand10's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:57 pm

23-14 with 7:35 left....

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:50 pm

I agree. This YOUNG, new defense has made 4 game-winning stands over the course of just two weeks, for all intents and purposes.

There's quite a bit of promise with this defense.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:10 pm

Thats 4 more than I can remember in recent years.

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carlos's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:12 pm

The defense is noticeably faster than the last several years. A lot of young talent. If they can stay healthy we should see huge strides. Gotta believe.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 17, 2018 at 05:59 am

The Packers will be much, much faster once Josh Jones, Kevin King, and Burks are all on the field.

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JerseyAl's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:59 pm

the "vaunted" Vikings defense gave up over 350 yds. Do they suck too?

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GVPacker's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:01 pm

And they gave up those yards to a neutered A Rodgers playing with a bum knee!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:34 pm

He had something else besides the knee? I am sorry for the guy.

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The TKstinator's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:43 pm

(Good one!)

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GVPacker's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:08 pm

Wise Guy LOL!

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cpabandit's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:11 pm

That's what I'm saying. The Packers' defense always makes every opposing QBs look like a future HOFer.

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GVPacker's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:26 pm

This game was Fail Mary 2.0. I'd like to buy that Viking FG Kicker a beer....He's The Man!

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm

The refs can't be beat.

With all due respect to Alexander, NO ONE ON THIS DEFENSE should be considered a good player right now.

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:29 pm

That, and the offensive line.

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Cubbygold's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:46 pm

Lol what? The o-line had a great game against one of the best defenses in the league. They were protecting an injured, immobile QB, of course rodgers was going to be pressured a little

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TheBigCheeze's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:02 pm

....they keep telling us they're the best....but they're NOT!!!

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holmesmd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:21 pm

Good, don’t watch next time. If you whine hear no one cares.

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GVPacker's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:34 pm

Doc Holmes How long do you think it will take A Rod's knee to get back to normal?

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holmesmd's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:43 am

A deep bone bruise may take 6-8 weeks to totally heal. It’s really dependent on each individual’s treatment, physiology, and their tolerance to pain. Rodgers takes very good care of himself so I’m optimistic that he will heal towards the shorter end of the curve:)

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:40 pm

Gilbert, Brice, Alexander, King, Ha Ha and Jackson looked pretty good to me today.

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Samson's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm

"Packers had to overcome the refs". --- Please don't start blaming the refs again. --- Place the blame where it belongs. ---- MM hasn't a clue in a closely matched game, as usual.

I wasted 3 hours and 40 minutes watching mediocre football on a beautiful September Day.

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PackerAaron's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:38 pm

You mean like when I literally wrote:
" the Packers had to overcome the refs AND THEIR COACH"?

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Samson's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:41 pm

You're correct --- " and their coach". -- However, if MM had a clue in games like this, the refs (good or bad) would have zero affect on the outcome.

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:55 pm

Wait.. Didn't you just recently state during one of your video chats something to the effect of " I see people blaming Rodgers for play calling, I see people blaming MM for play calling.. People, it's always both Rodgers and McCarthy. It's ALWAYS both"?

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carlos's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:15 pm

We have to remember one thing. The Vikings didn’t win.

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holmesmd's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:21 pm

Bye dude

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Spock's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:49 pm

Samson, I'd like to "feel your pain" because with F**&&&ng Fox I didn't even get to SEE the game, just listen to it on Sirius. I hate Fox here in Arizona.

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mrtundra's picture

September 17, 2018 at 10:14 am

MM didn't throw the flag on Matthews' legal hit on Cousins. MM didn't throw the flag on Lane Taylor, negating the Graham TD. MM had some iffy play calling, but when the refs are the problem, they should be called out. Bad officiating makes the game looked rigged.

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:28 pm

Pretty tough to watch NFL football games when the refs decide they're going to dictate the outcome of the games.

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Samson's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:31 pm

Again, the refs are at fault. --- Give it a break.

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Rak47's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:08 pm

Are you so clueless as to think the refs can't control a game? What is your reasoning on the refs having no effect? If the refs have no effect they're not needed actually. In case you didn't know it's a ref's job to control the game genius, that's what they're paid to do. They're just supposed to do it impartially without favoritism.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:05 pm

...they're not paid to CONTROL the game....they're paid to officiate....

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Rak47's picture

September 16, 2018 at 09:03 pm

Another genius, placing the ball for snap, moving the chains, keeping players from fighting, and doing too much trash talking is not officiating, it's controlling the parameters of the game. They control the game and officiate each play in the process. Like I said they're paid to control the game. Btw, let me ask this question, How do you officiate something you have no control over? Think on that one wise guy and let's hear your brilliant response.

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LayingTheLawe's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:28 pm

This time it was Samson. This one is so bad its one of those ones where the league will come out in the middle of next week and say yeah that one shouldn't have been called. Not that it does anything but make it worse, but it will probably happen this week cause this one is bad. An end of game play where he hit as the ball was thrown and didn't drive him to the turf. This one will be talked about by every sports show all week.

The Packers also gave up way too many chances and had to kick 5 field goals and Rodgers just fumbled the ball on the edge of field goal range in overtime. There is plenty to blame the team for, but when you go into its over celebration only to have a penalty flag fly in you just know its going to go bad from there.

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lambeau66's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:16 pm

Amen to that!!!!!

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sonomaca's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:28 pm

OK, Buckner just hit Stafford and drove him into ground, much more so than Matthews. No call.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:26 pm

I wod be a great idea to have a tracker with video clips to show how inconsistent this is.

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holmesmd's picture

September 17, 2018 at 08:14 am

Indeed! We could call it: horse s**t tracker. We could make a YouTube channel and upload all the examples. It would probably not be too difficult?

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Demon's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:30 pm

Does anyone think MM is a genius now? I'll.stand by my previous grade and say that on a scale of 1 to 10 I would grade him at a 5. Nothing special, just average.

The playcalling after the C Dix interception was justt plain BAD! Many of you are going to say that Rodgers probably changed the play. I dont believe it. Those were passes all the way.

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:27 pm

Regardless who made those play-calling decisions, they were simply bad calls. At that point of the game the Packers needed to run time off the clock and force the Vikings to use their timeouts. Calling pass plays helped the Vikings.

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carlos's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:21 pm

If the plays worked we’d all be singing a different tune. I’m not trying to argue with anyone here- just saying. Football can be so simple, but yet so complicated at the same time. Does that make sense? With the new catch rule Adams near TD catch could’ve went either way. All teams go through their ups and downs. A good example is New Orleans the past two weeks.

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Nelson Alberto Gonzalez Cuña's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:23 pm

You are spot on sir!! an average Head Coach.

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Bedrock's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:55 pm

Hindsight doesn’t fix poor execution.

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:03 pm

I don't think MM is a genius, but I don't think there's 16 head coaches who are better than him, either.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

September 17, 2018 at 12:09 am

Mercedes Lewis has played 7 snaps. 11% usage vs. Kendericks 33%. Why the hell didn't we have him helping our OL against one of the best DL in football? I have 0 faith in MM's playcalling ability.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 17, 2018 at 06:02 am

OMG don't get me started on Lewis. On just about EVERY decent running play Lewis was on the field yet they put him in for one of every 6 or 7 plays...maybe.

THIS is exactly where Mike McCarthy has no clue how to use his players on the roster.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:23 pm

Exactly. Is there any OL and running game that could use a blocking TE more than us right now? Or is there another team that has more to lose not protecting their quarterback?

I really don't get it with MM, last year Kendricks was buried as the other new guy in favor of RRod , is that what's now happening with Lewis? Is the playbook not installed for him? Waiting for Aaron Jones?

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Barnacle's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:08 am

If Rodgers is changing MM’s good calls, maybe MM should manage his bad calling QB? MM is the problem either way!

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Gman1976's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm

I feel robbed. Did the NFL make a rule change that I am unaware of? How in the world was that a roughing the passer penalty on Matthews? I have watch the Packers for almost 5 decades and was totally shocked on the call. I bet even the Viking fans knew we were robbed. That ref should be fired. What's happened to the NFL?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:27 pm

Yes, they made a new rule.
Yet, No that should not have been roughing.
Lawyers.

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baldski's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:42 pm

He just does not care if he's fired. He just goes back to his normal 9-5 job.

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PackfanNY's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm

Worst officiated game in years. Bad calls, horrible calls on both sides but tough to argue that Packers were hurt worse as the Matthews call (if not made) was GAME OVER. I just wasted a Sunday because Refs became the story rather than letting the game play out on the field. We are slowly being officiated into two hand touch.

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:43 pm

I signed up for the NFL Sunday Ticket subscription today but I think i'll cancel. If the NFL is going to have officials dictate the outcomes of games what's the sense of watching?

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Rak47's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:16 pm

Lare, I agree with you on this one. I got the Sunday ticket yesterday on my wife's student account for $99.00 and told her to cancel it today right after the CM3 penalty. I'll be watching much more college an local football here in Georgia before tuning into the NFL and it's flag football rules regarding QB's.

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carlos's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:24 pm

That play was a doubled edge sword. Not only a 15 yard penalty, but took points off the board. Also wretched a beautiful Lambeau keep.

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SJ EC's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm

I honestly wonder if perhaps Aaron had changed the play call to throwing it after the interception. Regardless, I was scratching my head pretty hard when we started throwing it there.

Also, I think the league in general needs to mind its Ps and Qs regarding their officials... I’ve already heard at least one friend state that they’re done watching football after the officiating of this game.

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:47 pm

Let's be honest, your friend is lying to both you and himself.

No one is quitting the NFL because of a shitty call.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:56 pm

Normally I would agree, but this scattergun treatment of QB hits isn’t one call. It is turning games into a lottery. That might cause turn off.

In addition, roughing aside, this was horribly officiated. Reminded me of the strike. That was deterring fans.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:36 pm

I'm trying to figure out which was worse...

1) The call on Lane Taylor for Holding...
2) The roughing the Passer call on Matthews...
3) McCarthy's play calling after the INT by HHCD....

I'm leaning towards the penalties but then again McCarthy just showed the world once again he will NEVER win a game for the Packers because of his decision making or play calling which I'm having a harder time than normal getting over.

Both teams benefited by one of the WORST called games I've seen in the NFL in a long time. But McCarthy, Christ McCarthy just doesn't seem have a clue when to be aggressive and when to work the clock.

Sigh...I'm SO tired of Mike McCarthy. He's just too much for even Aaron Rodgers to overcome.

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Samson's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:38 pm

MM will drag this team down during season 2018 & then be fired. ... Finally.

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flackcatcher's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:41 pm

DOM CAPERS!!!! (made you look. heh heh heh..............)

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm

I mentioned this above, but MM went for the win, which is what people on the website *beg* him to do on most weeks. I guarantee that if he had run three times, people here would be killing him for it.

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EdsLaces's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:18 pm

Going for the win woulda been running the ball. Making them use their timeouts. Kicking fg. Then they get the ball with very little time left ...game ova.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:22 pm

Not according to people here. They routinely call that playing to lose.

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:59 pm

Speaking truth.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:31 pm

IDK.
1st/10 from MN 13, 2:05 left: run for no gain by Williams then 2-minute warning.
[On first down, GB lined up 8 on the LOS, looks like 3 TEs, 1 WR, 1 RB. MN has 7 in the box and an 8th four yards off the LOS. Hmmm. TV shows 2:05 on the clock. INC pass might not get to the 2-minute warning.]

2nd & 10; 2:00 left: GB has TE as an H-back, Graham standing upright next to Bulaga, and one WR flexed just a few yards away on each side of the formation. 1 RB. MN has 8 in the box, 10 less than 5 yards from the LOS, and all 10 are well within the numbers. Yeah, I don't think running into that makes sense. Instead AR does a designed roll out to the right and fires a pass to Davante in the end zone. Trying a pass gets an upvote from me.

3rd & 10; 1:54 left from the MN 13 yard line: GB is in 11 personnel, with Graham flexed out slightly. MN counters with 6 in the box. MN rushes 4 and drops 7. GB no play action fake, Williams chips and leaks over the middle. He is open but probably isn't going to get a first, absent a good move or two. AR looks only at Davante in ISO against Rhodes, INC. Good coverage, clean pocket. Yeah, that could have been a run or a check down to Williams to make MN burn one of its two remaining timeouts. Clock stops a 1:49 on the incompletion and GB kicks the gimme field goal. Kick off and then MN gets it back with 1:45 and two timeouts.

If GB runs three times, it goes something like this:
1st/10 2:05: Williams for no gain. 2 minute warning
2nd/10: Run then MN TO - down to maybe 1:52.
3rd/10 Run then MN TO - down to maybe 1:45.
If we don't gain a first, FG. KO. MN gets the ball with 1:35 or so left. No timeouts, but enough time.

Just run the play, run or pass, that you think gets GB a first down or points. I don't think 3 runs gets MM off the hook if we don't end up winning. The way things transpired, we did end up with the ball back with 47 seconds and got Crosby in range for a 52 yard FG to win outright. 80 degrees out so distance isn't as much of a deal, but it is still a long way away. Crosby had plenty of distance on both tries. I doubt MM wins no matter what he does if we don't end up winning.

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Oppy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:57 pm

thats kind of what he was saying.
I'm still waiting for consistency from Packers fans

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Tundraboy's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:31 pm

"Just run the play, run or pass, that you think gets GB a first down or points."

That's what I was thinking we would do. Needed to score but burn up some clock doing so. Get the first down. We were in the driver's seat and then we weren't in the driver's seat.

Personally I'm sick of hearing people justify McCarthy going for it when he had didn't have to go for it at that point.
How many times have we had this discussion. Are there only two options on the table, three bad runs or a couple quick strikes that may or may not work. There's something in the middle we can choose one of these days.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 16, 2018 at 06:59 pm

I understand what your saying but it's WHEN McCarthy gets aggressive or passive that irritates the hell out of me. Given the situation today the RIGHT thing to do is run the ball or even take 3 knees and USE the clock and make Minnesota USE their TO's. DON'T leave them 1:45 and timeouts!!! I mean WTF!!!

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Tundraboy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:31 pm

Your right NP. Its knowing when and when not to. We had the lead and the ball. Wierdest 2 minutes ever,seemed to last forever.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 17, 2018 at 03:14 am

Sorry for the length. Oppy, I was trying to agree with Idiot but went back to look at our personnel and what MN did with their defense on each play. Opinions get tossed out there and that's fine, but I didn't want to write that I disagree with your opinion that MM should have run it three times. I wanted to specify why passing made sense to me given our personnel and the defense shown by MN on each play.

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Oppy's picture

September 17, 2018 at 07:17 am

TGR, you will find I didn't voice my opinion about what MM should have done at all.

I was simply agreeing with IdiotFan that historically, when McCarthy plays clock control ground game to protect a slim lead (plays the percentages), there is a loud, consistent outcry from a good deal of fans who claim he's giving the game away by not "putting his foot on the opponent's throat", he needs to go for it and stay aggressive in the pass game.

When he gives those fans what they want, they say he made bone-headed calls, everyone knows you keep it on the ground, run clock, and try to safely protect the lead.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 17, 2018 at 09:15 am

Sorry again. I didn't mean your opinion, Oppy, or Idiot's either. I didn't want to write a comment disagreeing with anyone's opinion as a bare comment. I mean, if someone writes player x played well, and I reply no, that player played badly and nothing else, then we have no real progress.

So, on the first play, an INC pass might not have gotten us to the 2-minute warning. Second play with 10 in the box on defense dictated a pass. Third play with just 6 or 7 in the box could have been a run. Overall, I don't blame MM (which I've been known to do).

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Oppy's picture

September 17, 2018 at 06:06 pm

You have always been one of the most measured and well-thought out posters on CHTV. I always appreciate you, even if I don't always agree with you.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

September 17, 2018 at 12:19 am

NP what about the Adams TD it wasn't a TD catch and then the lack of a PI call the next play when he was blatantly held? The list goes on.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 17, 2018 at 06:07 am

That was unbelievable they didn't call holding on that play. Adams was mugged on the play. BTW...Does anyone EVER want Charles Davis to call another game? The guy NEVER shuts up and most of the time he's talking out of his ass.

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Oppy's picture

September 17, 2018 at 06:12 pm

There's only two above average men in the booth left in the NFL IMO.

Al Michaels is one of them. It will be a sad day when he's gone.

The other, and I know I will be in the ultra-minority on this point here, is Troy Aikman.

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flackcatcher's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:38 pm

Yeah(Sigh)...........

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Tundraboy's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:39 pm

I'm numb. I'm sick and tired of having to overcome MM each week and now the refs. The only thing I can do is not waste my money paying the NFL money for a pass that blocks me out anyway. Like I want to rewatch this game later. Luckily my son found a free stream,that had better quality anyway.

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sonomaca's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:40 pm

McCarthy was attempting to surprise by passing when the “normal” play would be run. Can’t really fault him for that.

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Demon's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:57 pm

Yeah I can. An injured QB a Packers D that was completely worn outt. Game is on the line, and he pulls the mcdufus special AGAIN!

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Roadking's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm

Our defense sucks again thought the d coordinator was going to turn this around. We are lucky we are not 0-2

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Lare's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:51 pm

Agreed, don't see how this defense is any better than last year's.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 05:14 pm

I think they're noticeably better, even if they did allow MN to tie it up at the end. The coverage is much better in general. And that was a legit drive by the MN offense at the end. Cousins hit some really tight throws into good coverage (like the Thielen TD). This is not Dom's D where receivers are running wild with nobody by them and the DBs all point at each other after the play. And I think they're only going to get better as the season goes on (barring injuries). My biggest concern is the pass rush though.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2018 at 08:00 pm

Again, this only occurred because not one but two game ending plays were wiped out by terrible calls.

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Demon's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:59 pm

Hard to turn it around with a bunch of rookies and no pass rush. Looks like the vikes got the better former Jet.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

September 17, 2018 at 01:09 am

What was Richardson's big contribution to the game? Wilkerson had some good stops on Cooks. Clark had a sack. Griffen and Hunter were monsters. I didn't see anything from Daniels.

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Roadking's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm

Our defense sucks again thought the d coordinator was going to turn this around. We are lucky we are not 0-2

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Roadking's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm

Our defense sucks again thought the d coordinator was going to turn this around. We are lucky we are not 0-2

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Justin Morrow's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm

I think Capers broke into the booth to call the 4th quarter. Cousins had all day. Gotta show blitz every play & bring it from all angles so Cousins has to throw it out quickly

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:45 pm

I think our pass coverage is really improved since last year, but our lack of pass rush is noticeable. Of course it doesn't help when Mike D lets go of the QB because he's afraid he'll get a penalty.

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Justin Morrow's picture

September 16, 2018 at 04:46 pm

We started to fall apart as soon as Kevin King left the game.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 16, 2018 at 07:29 pm

I think he thought the ball was gone.

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