Unreal the guy is still employed.

Barry's shortcomings have been apparent for years. And the complaints about his defenses have been around for years. This is low hanging fruit. Why has no one taken on the task of asking why the special teams continue to be terrible? The Packers did exactly what many thought would be the answer to the problem. That was to hire a top notch coach, and be willing to pay him really well. It hasn't worked out as planned. The question being, why not? Is it the players? Are the assistant coaches inept? Has Besaccia suddenly forgotten how to coach? By all means, Barry needs to be replaced. But what about special teams? Where does the blame lie, and how can this problem be solved? Time to fix the problem, not the blame.

There was a good article the other day on the 'bend but don't break' defensive philosophy. The major problem I see with this type of defense is that it is more reactive and puts a defense on its' heels. I much rather have an aggressive, attacking defense that keeps the offense on their heels. A defense with a mean, nasty and intimidating attitude. A defense that sets the tone for this Green Bay Packers team!

https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/green-bays-bend-but-dont-break-phi...

Where's LH to tell us giving up 200 yards on the ground is ok as long as they don't get beat through the air? By my count they're 0-4 in those games.

Berry needs someone to look over his plan and give him advice and tell him where he needs to change it. MLF is the HC and the play caller so he does not have the time to spend with Berry to make sure his game plan fits the offense they are facing because he is busy doing HC duties and developing his own game plan.

Gute should have hired a defensive consultant to help Berry and give him the authority to tell Berry that his game plan needs to be changed.

Gute and MLF put all their trust in Berry because they thought he could handle it.

I really don't understand MLF sometimes. He says things like "We were out-coached..." multiple times, or "in that situation, we were playing this type of coverage when we should have been in something else...." And the most accurate in addressing the run defense earlier this season: "We're going to have to do something different, because it's insane to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result." Great, he's identified the problems as nearly everyone else has. Yet he refuses to administer a definitive solution--the same way he did with Drayton in 2021. MLF's inaction is costing us games and a potential trip to the playoffs.

And the schemes aren't the only things that need improvement. We field too many defensive players that are proficient in one thing but not necessarily in others. Some are great at rushing the passer, but run containment is a problem; linebackers who are good in coverage but not run thumpers; defensive backs who are reasonably good in coverage but less than ideal tackling skills--and vice versa. As pointed out in the recent "Polluted Mindset" article, the defensive line sometimes lacks stoutness compared to our counterparts. So to me, all this comes down to both coaching and the initial selection of talent.

This defense is never going to get anywhere with this lack of overall coordination and on-field leadership. Obviously a change should have been made in the previous off-season to ensure that a quality candidate could have been hired and given a couple years to straighten things out. But here we are, terrified of another year of Barry or a weak compromise solution like an in-house replacement. A completely new approach to all aspects of defense is what is needed, and that falls squarely on the shoulders of both MLF and the front office. It doesn't matter how it gets done or who wants to get involved to nudge the process forward--just do it.

We turn it over 3 times, miss a FG, score 22 points, and the problem is the defense.

I have a question, Gil. Given that you're on the road, minus several starters, and you have 3 turnovers......how many points should the defense have given up?

Fair question LH, but back to Barry Bashing -
Here's a question we hear after every loss "Unless Barry figures out how to make in-game adjustments and tailors his game plans . . . "
Let's just be honest and change the narrative directly to "Because Barry has no ability to figure out how to make in-game adjustments or tailor game plans to fit our strengths/weaknesses against opponents' strengths/weaknesses, we lost again."
No more BS excuses. Run his nepotism driven career out of our house.
There's got to be somebody with leadership, experience, creativity and teaching skill out there to take over this defense.
We've got plenty of cash in the bank, spend some on a search committee and get it done now.
My only wish to Santa this year.
GPG!

I don't know enough about specific coaches to suggest who should be a replacement for Barry, but I do know what to look for in general.

Look for a highly respected position coach (preferably young) who is stuck behind a successful defensive coordinator. Because they are stuck in the promotional pipeline, they are likely to be open to a promotion elsewhere. This is how you get an up-and-comer. Implicit in the hiring is you will have to pay for their services. We have already seen enough to know how much poor coordinators cost a team, so a competitive salary far outweighs a poor choice paid less.

LaFleur MUST stop hiring guys just because he had history with them and start hiring guys that can be identified as potential high-fliers. If that high flier spends a couple of years with the Packers before moving on to be a head coach somewhere, that's ok, go find another. Expect your coaches to churn like your roster churns. Take a look at how many draft picks SF has got in the last 5 years from losing coaches to promotions elsewhere - you'll be surprised.

For those continuously beating their chest over ppg that a defense gives up, there's more to it than that. It's called situational football and WHEN those points are given up.

When your offense gives you the lead with only a minute and a half left in the game, that should be a 'W', regardless of anything that happened before that...i.e. penalties/turnovers, etc.

To have your defense not put any pressure on a rookie undrafted QB who has been sacked repeatedly by other teams and allow him to complete 4 passes in a row, basically uncontested, to put them in FG range to win the game is bad defense. How anybody can spin it any other way is baffling. And it's not like this is the first time under this DC.

Oh, by the way, he also completed 17/21 passes for a 113.9 rating. So much for that great pass defense to offset the horrible run defense.

bottom line FIRE BARRY

Jim Leonhard is still out there....just say'in. No one's scooped him up for 2024 yet.

I think MLF is too afraid or insecure to surround himself with people who just might be better at coaching than he is. If he had a really good DC and the D was having wild success while he himself struggled with his offense, he could get canned while the DC takes his spot.

This whole coaching staff reminds me of house squatters or grifters who for whatever reason can't be evicted or recognized. It's just a bunch of conmen pretending to be coaches and are only fooling 3-4 people allowing them to stay while all the rest of us know who the killer is halfway through the movie and are screaming at the screen every time someone lets them into their house. This is just nuts!!

For anyone who is/ was a boss and had an employee that for over 3 years (1) failed in his job, and (2) could not learn from his mistakes (3) refused to listen - what would u do with that person?

In business, you'd have the inevitable meetings, letters from personnel with deadlines and final warnings. After 3 years, it would be goodbye. Best of luck to you.

But not here! Stupid, weak cowardly management to allow this to continue, OVER 3 YEARS!

FIRE BARRY!

No more talk. No more waiting to see if he gets lucky with the odd, preferable match ups. I don't care if he accidentally pitched shut outs in his last 4 games. We've seen more than enough...

FIRE BARRY!

Laughed my ass off this offseason when they said that he changed and was going to be more aggressive and change his spots…said the Leopard 🤪

Gil, you nailed it. How can Lafleur be so aggressive and then how Barry be so passive.

With this team, the defense has to be aggressive. The offense and ST make too many mistakes.

These next 4 games can be won by the offense, but also lost by Barry. Period.

Couldnt care about the defense one bit. You could bring in 8 more first round picks and will have the same results.

Honestly i dont think lafluer is capable of hiring a real defensive coordinator or he has direct orders to keep berry .

He must have pictures of MLF doing something bad for him to still have a job! Imagine this defense with a guy like Jim Leonhard leading them, I would bet they would be in the top 3 at least. Speaking of which, what is Jim doing these days? They really should go all in to get him as their DC.

Did Rashan Gary play against the Giants;? didn't here his name called once.

There is more here than what meets the eye.
As long as MLf wants him.
He should get what he wants.
The biggest thing you must remember is chemistry!
If MLf functions better with Barry. It's his Call.
It's on him! This is a Rebuilding year.
Most here, still have issues with MLF over Rodgers.
And you cannot break the chain of command.
Follow orders, Do the job to the best of your ability.
You have to pick your battles to win the war.
If failure is how you judge a coach.
Try surveying the whole battleground first.
This was one game. Keeping the packers in it.
Is what any Defense must do first.