Do the Packers Have a Bisaccia Problem?
The struggles are real, and special teams should not be treated as an afterthought.
For the umpteenth time, this season is about next season, so it’s appropriate to ask whether Joe Barry is the only coaching change that absolutely positively must happen in January.
Rich Bisaccia is the highest-paid special teams coordinator in the NFL, with a pedigree that Packers fans thought and hoped would stabilize a critical phase of the game that has bedeviled the team since Desmond Howard broke the single-season record for punt-return yards in 1996. (A record that stands to this day). After living through a parade of meh, with the likes of Ron Zook and Shawn Mennenga, excitement was high. Yet so far, the results are mixed.
It’s worth noting up front that special teams are more complex and schematically intricate than those of us without real-world experience likely appreciate. They involve offense and defense, widely disparate skill sets and often rely on position players who are doing it to keep a roster spot and not because it’s their passion.
What we know is the data, and the data show that overall, Green Bay ranks 28th in total special-teams DVOA, despite having the leading kickoff return man in the league. Anyone watching knows that the team’ has had poor production on punt returns, horrible penalties and erratic field goal kicking. But of greatest concern is the team is 30th is yards given up on punt returns by the opposition.
What’s challenging is trying to parse whether some of these problems are more related to scheme, execution or both. Either way, Bisaccia is responsible, and should be held accountable. He has had significant influence over roster decisions to benefit his group, and the scheme is his.
Is this as serious as the Barry situation? No, but Packer fans know all too well the consequences of special-teams miscues and mediocre coaching. The team’s success during the Rodgers years papered over a lot of these difficulties, until it didn’t at crucial moments.
Now, with a rookie kicker still finding his footing (sorry), and a team of youngsters searching for consistency, special teams is biting. Hard. Good special-team squads help teams find ways to win. Good teams can’t go on deep runs with weak special teams.
One reason I was excited about the Jayden Reed draft pick was his punt-return prowess in college. We’ve not seen it this year, yet we know he can be an explosive runner, so I am inclined to believe that the Packers still don’t have an effective punt-return scheme. Over time, they may also not want to expose him to injury given his success in the slot.
When things have gone wrong for the Packers, like last weekend, it’s usually been failures across the board. Like last weekend. That doesn’t mean the team shouldn’t take a hard look at where the individual weak spots are.
Perhaps it’s time for someone younger and more innovative.
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Comments (71)
SensualInfluence
December 15, 2023 at 06:24 am
What did you expect from such a young team? The problem is not Rich Bisaccia. The problem is the youth movement and overall lack of depth on the team.
egbertsouse
December 15, 2023 at 06:47 am
That “young” excuse is BS. Saban’s and Harbaugh’s teams are young and you don’t see them screwing up every week. Why? Because if you don’t make the standard with those guys, you’re out. LaFlower may whine about Kaisean Nixon’s boneheaded decisions at pressers but he trots his out there every game in spite of it.
Irish_Cheesehead
December 15, 2023 at 07:05 am
I agree the excuse doesn't hold up, but let's try to be mature and avoid the juvenile name calling. It's a bad look.
dobber
December 15, 2023 at 09:11 am
Sure, I'll take two college coaches who are coaching a roster full of future NFL players who overrun 90% of the teams they play just based on size and talent as an example and pretend that's a reasonable foil for this.
jjbathgate66
December 15, 2023 at 07:35 am
His best ST players are playing defense as well, this group week in and week out call out sick forcing them to use next man up. This filters down to ST group, now you are taking guys off the street to fill in. If I read about JA or Stokes not being ready for the next game holy shit this group of so called studs are soft.
dblbogey
December 15, 2023 at 10:32 am
Bisaccia insisted on drafting Anders Carlson. He was inaccurate in college, and nothing much has changed.
Packerpasty
December 15, 2023 at 10:53 am
sure cant wait till next season so all the "young" BS excuse will stop...hopefully...13 games in and the same players are still not doing it right?? Cut bait then..
truepackerfan
December 15, 2023 at 06:54 am
I have said for weeks I think all three coordinator's need to go. Stanovich is not doing the offense any favors as coordinator, you need someone with some imagination and someone who challenges LaFleur a little. Surrendering yourself with "YES men" and friends sounds good on paper, but their is no one to push your growth,
Coldworld
December 15, 2023 at 07:46 am
In that scenario LaFleur needs to go or you will just see it repeated with new names and faces.
Swisch
December 15, 2023 at 09:30 am
It does seem sensible to say that if all three of the coordinators are faulty, then there's likely a problem with the head coach.
In any case, I'd make one change right now and fire Barry as defensive coordinator (although I realize it's not realistic to think it will actually be done).
The man is unable or unwilling to change, and the thought of watching our defense timidly trying to protect leads at the end of the next four games is almost unbearable.
After the season, we can make other changes to our coaching.
Tundraboy
December 15, 2023 at 11:02 pm
Agree. But I think it's drifting from almost to just unbearable. I mean no lead is really safe, nearly every 3 and looong is a 1st down.
dobber
December 15, 2023 at 08:15 am
We can point to Stenavich being a problem as OC, but if he's not calling the plays it's hard to say how much is actually on him.
Coldworld
December 15, 2023 at 08:43 am
What he hasn’t done is improve or even maintain OL play. Given that core issue and the fact that we don’t know what he does is hardly something I see as arguing he’s someone we should keep
jannesbjornson
December 15, 2023 at 10:06 am
He doesn't have the horses.
dblbogey
December 15, 2023 at 10:29 am
When 3 out of your 5 starting OL should be back ups, your OL isn't going to be good regardless of the coaching. Myers, Runyan are not cutting it, and we need better play from LT. This upcoming draft is a good one for OL, I hope we grab at least 3 of them.
Tundraboy
December 15, 2023 at 11:05 pm
Me too. Thought 2 would be enough but yeah, we definitely need 3.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 15, 2023 at 10:53 pm
Stenovitch was at least good as O line coach. Put him back at that position which pushes Butkus out the door, put MLF as OC and bring in a good HC. Then GB could be a good team
BUT
you still have to replace the entire strength and conditioning staff, they've been bad for years. TE coach has never played TE. Our players deserve one who has. Vrable certainly didn't bring the WR room along quickly, but they are much improved now. At least look if an improvement can be made there.
JB has to go! Last year he asked his players what they wanted to do and they all said be more aggressive. When he's done that it's usually worked. "Bend don't break" is good strategy in the final 5 minutes when you have at least a two score lead, but it won't work for 60 minutes against teams that run hard.
truepackerfan
December 15, 2023 at 06:54 am
I have said for weeks I think all three coordinator's need to go. Stanovich is not doing the offense any favors as coordinator, you need someone with some imagination and someone who challenges LaFleur a little. Surrendering yourself with "YES men" and friends sounds good on paper, but their is no one to push your growth, Right now I think Bisaccia is the only one who pushes LeFleur.
HarryHodag
December 15, 2023 at 07:04 am
The constant flux of players in and out of the roster has negative effects on special teams. Some teams draft players for special teams only, the Packers do not. So the coaches have to constantly change moving parts. Continuity is critical on special teams.
There was a noticeable improvement when Rich B. was hired. But the breakdowns are becoming a problem.
BTW- what is 'special teams DVOA'?
dobber
December 15, 2023 at 08:25 am
I think every team these days churns the bottom of the roster pretty hard and every team has its special teams specialists. Every team is elevating situational guys every week from their PS. I think every STs coach is dealing with this.
Bisaccia had his guys--Lovett, Ford, Wilson, Nixon--who were brought in to add some stability to the STs. A couple have been credible, if not reliable, additions to the depth chart on defense. But how many of your valuable roster slots can you afford to allot to guys who DON'T contribute to the depth chart?
Not being an expert on how they calculate "Special Teams DVOA", I'll point to a recent discussion with Rob Demovsky where he says that he feels that Nixon's flash last year was the primary boost for STs and that the lack of those flash plays this year and a low conversion rate on FGs (24th) and PATs (32nd) is hampering that rating.
They're also struggling with a rookie punter who tends to have shorter hang times or outkicks his coverage--both lead to return yards. O'Donnell was not a huge yardage guy, but he was a decent hang time guy and helped support his coverage units. I'll channel my inner Leathehead and say that if you're struggling with punt returns, don't give your opponent a chance to return punts: use the sidelines, kick for the pylon, don't be afraid to surrender a touchback, go for it on 4th and short.
jlc1
December 15, 2023 at 08:50 am
I think we see Carlson trying to angle to sidelines, control his kicks in a way that is meant to control coverage. He gets awfully close to a penalty on the sideline kicks some times. Alternatively he could kick it over their heads and they get it at the 25 but I think Bisaccia is trying to move the ball further back, make them work for more than 75 yards. Which is very aggressive but that pretty much defines what Nixon seemed to be doing the first half of the season, so maybe aggressive is what Bisaccia does with or without the horses to do it.
dobber
December 15, 2023 at 08:54 am
"I think we see Carlson trying to angle to sidelines, control his kicks in a way that is meant to control coverage....I think Bisaccia is trying to move the ball further back, make them work for more than 75 yards"
You're right: Carlson drops a lot of kickoffs between the goal line and 5 yard line, even though he supposedly has a big leg.
Coldworld
December 15, 2023 at 09:14 am
I agree. It’s notable that he will then kick one clear though the end zone at the same end. This is tactically driven and I’m not sure it hasn’t been neutral or worked in our favor overall. It would be interesting to see some focused stats.
NickPerry
December 15, 2023 at 07:11 am
So yesterday there is a write up about a frustrated MLF still remaining loyal to Joe Barry. Today it's about Rich Bisaccia.
Is anyone else tired of this bullshit? I think LaFleur is an Offensive Coordinator at best. He's had his hands in Joe Barry's Defense and I'm sure he has his hands in Bisacci's ST units....BOTH suck.
What ALL of this means is Mark Murphy and Gute are hoping LaFleur can get all these new draft picks, future picks coming in this next draft, and all the other youngsters in-between to play at a Championship level by NEXT season. It's all about 2024. It's ALWAYS been about 2024. The problem is they STILL have the same LOUSEY assistant coaches and coordinators.
In the 12 step program that saved my life we have a saying. If NOTHING changes, then NOTHING changes.
Guess what people...Nothing is changing until 2025...At the earliest.
Rarescope
December 15, 2023 at 07:44 am
Eh, these guys are just writing made up gossip for our entertainment. If Wes and Spoff don’t get more access to behind the scenes stuff the writers here certainly don’t - other than Nags I doubt any one of them even go to pressers.
What our real problem is is that we keep drafting great athletes who are dumb football players. I’ve never met a single one of them but I said it with authority so it must be true. Not that I think Lafleur is a good coach - I don’t - but I just think it’s hilarious when people take these articles seriously that are just conjecture.
And tell Bill W I said hi.
NickPerry
December 15, 2023 at 09:33 pm
Question... Wes and Spoff WORK for the Green Bay Packers is that correct? I mean that's kinda the way I've understood it.
Have you ever heard Wes or Spoff write a negative or "Bad" article about anyone affiliated with the Green Bay Packers? Not that it's good or bad, it's just the way I interpret anyways.
I most certainly will tell Bill W hello!
Ferrari-Driver
December 15, 2023 at 09:02 am
"In the 12 step program that saved my life we have a saying. If NOTHING changes, then NOTHING changes."
Congratulations and good for you.
jont
December 15, 2023 at 05:19 pm
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vin0770
December 15, 2023 at 06:22 pm
It’s a results driven business for the Pack period. The results so far say they suck. The eye test says Reed is really comfortable fielding punts and Nixon is scary stupid in his judgment, and does an erratic rookie kicker get better because he’s a year older next year?
If they suck they suck, change is needed just to have some hope they get better, but there are no guarantees regardless.
Tundraboy
December 15, 2023 at 11:14 pm
Good for you NP, I admire your courage. As for our favorite TV team I begrudgingly accept that we are going to have to wait until the clown show is over in 2025, but still hope for a miracle in the form of some common sense from someone up there. 1265, God, anyone listening.
T7Steve
December 15, 2023 at 07:39 am
I notice we lost a bunch of his favored players that he had brought here just to play STs and some have been elevated to starters or at least regular contributors on O and D. Some are still participating on STs, but with the injuries and all the shuffling maybe they just don't have the time to concentrate on what to them is the least important part of their jobs. Being considered the "least important" part is all on MLF.
As Coldworld commented yesterday, as bad as it is right now it's still allot better than in previous seasons. How many muffs did we have by game 6 last season?
Rarescope
December 15, 2023 at 07:47 am
Was that still Amari Rodgers muffing last year? I would love to read a memoir someday to see who was responsible for that train wreck.
jannesbjornson
December 15, 2023 at 10:15 am
Gutey drafted the slug.
dobber
December 15, 2023 at 08:44 am
I'll come back to the fact that Bisaccia is supposed to be this hard-nosed, no-nonsense guy who can get anything done. Remember a few weeks ago when people were saying he should replace Barry as DC (although he hasn't coached a defense since he was a graduate assistant around 1990)?
So is Bisaccia really bad? My recollection is that DVOA contains an element of conversion pct on kicks and punting "efficacy"--both of which are suffering with rookie kickers. Yes, he needs to coach the kickers, too. There are holes that weren't here a year ago, and Keisean Nixon isn't sneaking up on anyone--teams were daring him to run the ball out early in the season, and he did: often running kicks 5 yards deep in the endzone to terrible starting field position.
Coldworld
December 15, 2023 at 07:45 am
I was surprised that Enagbare is the guy with the most penalties still on the roster (equaled by Leavitt). Without a breakdown of the penalties by type/culprit in memory or in paper it’s a little hard to see a pattern.
It was also interesting to hear Bissacia firmly state that the Johnson block was a poor call as he wasn’t facing the end zone and thus was not coming from behind. In contrast he said Ford’s was legitimate. I’d still like to know what a player in that position should do.
Yes our STs aren’t great but I don’t cringe every time we punt. any more. All returners fumble/drop, Nixon is well ahead of the average in modern times. Overall, not what I’d hoped for but still a lot better than before.
PFF has us as 19th best. DVOA isn’t the only measure or always a true one. Before Bissacia I’d have taken that in a shot. I have at times found myself needing to remind myself of that this season though.
Rarescope
December 15, 2023 at 07:52 am
“ In contrast he said Ford’s was legitimate. I’d still like to know what a player in that position should do.”
If memory serves that was blocking the returner from catching the ball. A player shouldn’t be in that position, simple as that. If he didn’t know where the ball was he should have been looking at the guy who is supposed to be catching the ball. There’s typically only one of those guys on a punt so not much excuse. If your football move is to be all confused and buttcheck a punt returner trying to field a punt you deserve a penalty.
T7Steve
December 15, 2023 at 08:28 am
He was engaged with a blocker at the time, however. I wonder what would have happened if the returner had just hit the blocker. Would Ford still have gotten the call?
Coldworld
December 15, 2023 at 08:52 am
I don’t believe so, I think hitting your own guy is just an oops. I understand that one can’t just take out potential returners deliberately, but when that guy runs into a player, is the kicking team okayed just supposed to dive out of the way?
In this case the kick was short. It’s not the case that only one player on the receiving team can catch the ball and thus head for it. Is anyone moving in that direction untouchable? How then to know if one can block?
Ford braced but did not charge the player. As has been said, he was coming off a block. Was it the self-defensive adjustment at fault, or merely being in the wrong position? Im just wondering what a player In his position should have done.
T7Steve
December 15, 2023 at 09:15 am
I have it figured out now based on how they called it on that play.
Just have the return man ignore the ball and run into the gunner every time. Guaranties a 15 penalty. What a nice average that would be.
dobber
December 15, 2023 at 08:52 am
The Nixon "muff-fumble" (no that's not something X-rated) last week was a killer. Reed had been the primary returner up to that point, but they put Nixon in to make something happen...well, he did. He knew he was out there to make a play, but he forced the issue and that TO led to a key Giants TD and a 14-10 lead. I'm not saying that if he just falls on that ball the Packers win--there was a lot of game to go--but we do know it was a key turnover in a losing effort.
Coldworld
December 15, 2023 at 09:10 am
That was Nixon’s 23rd punt return for the Packers, the 11th this year. Reed has returned 11 this year. I think it was his first lost fumble on punts (i dont think Reed has one).
We have 7 lost punt fumbles since 2019. Nixon has one. Rodgers had 4 last year before being benched, in week 10 I think. Even the best punt returners fumbled. Nixon is currently well below the historical average of fumbles per punt returns. Rodgers last year was well over it.
Just a little context. I would also note that Nixon taking punts may have more to do with Reed’s expanding role. Reed has a lower average per return, but has the longest this year (35 yards), so one can’t say he’s no threat.
Leatherhead
December 15, 2023 at 07:02 pm
You know, CW, we could just stop trying to return these kicks and punts, and avoid the injuries, penalties, and turnovers that come with that territory, and just get the bottom of the roster off the field and put our offensive stars on the field.
Fair catch, start on the 25. One completed pass and we're at our 40.
As far as us punting, I always hear the klaxon from the bridge of the Enterprise going off, because I know that a blocked punt is often fatal. I don't know what percentage of games you lose when you get a punt blocked, but I bet you it's pretty high.
CheesedDeadHead
December 15, 2023 at 08:10 am
Say what you want about the play of the special teams, but the one thing that they have been doing since RB took over is correcting the “same mistakes” issue. I’ll gladly take an improved unit that doesn’t make the same mistakes, even if there are new mistakes.
Let’s see MLF and JB do that with the offense and defense because it is becoming clear that they are twin sons of different mothers.
My greatest fear is if they keep MLF and get rid of Joe Barry that Brandon Staley is hired as DC. Who’se the only DC likely to get less out of more after Joe Barry? Yep, you guessed correctly, Brandon Staley.
LeotisHarris
December 15, 2023 at 08:47 am
STs this season seem to fit the description Leatherhead offers (and I appreciate): these are the guys lighting off roman candles between their butt cheeks at the Fourth of July picnic. Add to that, membership on those units has been fluid, with each iteration seeming to say "hold my beer" to the last.
Bisaccia didn't suddenly lose the ability to coach. I wonder how much practice time is devoted to STs.
Maybe we could discuss whether this is a rebuilding or reloading year for STs?
jannesbjornson
December 15, 2023 at 10:21 am
The guy responsible for points is 20/25 at 80% which is acceptable for a rookie and a couple bad holds. The attackers on the kickoffs and punts are a reflection of the defensive depth chart. Fundamentally unsound as Nixon's re-flop was, he is one of many on this squad who seem clueless.
Leatherhead
December 15, 2023 at 12:36 pm
Thank you for recalling, Leotis. This is the bottom of the roster. These are guys that are going to be high school PE teachers and Amazon workers pretty soon. UDFAs. Mid-season pickups. And you are giving them repeated opportunities to cost you the game, and that's what happened. It's the first turnover, but we've had 20 penalties and some injuries and I don't think that damage is being offset by the returns we get.
Since the beginning of football, coaches have tried to improve special teams, and yet we still have turnovers, penalties, and injuries.. And if we ever had a truly great special teams coach, what are we going to do when some other team hires him away at the end of a season with more money and a promotion? Or doesn't that ever happen?
Stop returning kicks and punts. Fair catch, get the bottom of the roster off the field, put your offensive stars on the field, and get on with your business.
Bitternotsour
December 15, 2023 at 04:24 pm
i believe if one were to use analytics, one would never field punts or kick-offs save for fair catching. once again, math. 7 as they say, is greater than 5 (7>5)
Leatherhead
December 15, 2023 at 06:55 pm
People have used analytics, and that's their conclusion. Catch the punt safely if you can, and if not, let it roll to a stop like Antonio Freeman did. A few yards, or even more than a few, isn't worth the risk of a turnover.
That's without even beginning to figure in the cost of penalties and injuries.
Speaking of 7 >5, I'm going to share this with you. Their QB, threw it 21 times for 158 yards (that's a little better than 7 yards/attempt). He ran it 10 times, for 71 yards. In other words, every time he either ran or threw the ball, it cost us 7 yards.
If he would have not run it at all, and thrown it on those 10 plays, it would have still been 70 yards, it just would have changed the stats to "Rushing 14O, passing 228". I think it doesn't matter if they're passing yards or rushing yards, they're yards, and they're still less important than points.
TKWorldWide
December 15, 2023 at 09:30 am
I am not going to pretend that I know exactly what the hell is going on out there this season in special teams.
I do know that RB has had stellar results over a significant amount of time.
What I’d like to see is a comparison of ST performance from the last season BEFORE RB and the first season WITH RB. My imperfect memory claims there was a decent improvement.
Hard to think RB has suddenly forgotten how to coach. But like the article brings into question, maybe his stuff is no longer innovative enough.
Lphill
December 15, 2023 at 09:51 am
stay in your lane and don't block in the back is fundamental or maybe not.
Leatherhead
December 15, 2023 at 03:38 pm
IT is. Starting in 7th grade, that's what is taught. And yet, the best coaches in the world, coaching the best players in the world, don't seem to be able to consistently achieve that. Why do you think that is?
stockholder
December 15, 2023 at 10:48 am
Congratulations - You've Now entered the Twilight Zone.
Rod Serling couldn't have written a better script.
You know the music. From one extreme to the other.
Instead of trying a microscope. Use your crystal Ball.
LeotisHarris
December 15, 2023 at 12:53 pm
Serling was a sterling writer.
Serling had an interesting life story, particularly his military service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Serling
SicSemperTyrannis
December 15, 2023 at 11:24 pm
Imagine if you will, a world where coaches can't coach and players can't play. And people are talking about playoffs. Playoffs?
Qoojo
December 15, 2023 at 01:09 pm
They have had to play more young guys, and less specialist special teams players. The results for the packers are mixed this year. Packers are the youngest team in the league and that guarantees inconsistency.
I think the biggest thing i did not like is picking carlson based on Rich's familiarity and hope that he is like his brother.
jannesbjornson
December 15, 2023 at 04:11 pm
Sp. Teams needs LBs who can Tackle. Therein lies the rub. Anders Carlson is fine.
CanPackFan
December 15, 2023 at 02:31 pm
For us to bring a guy like Rich B "down" to our coaching level is saying something? Again, it gets back to the HC and his culture - or lack of identity and culture. We have an OC - masquerading to be a HC - to run the team. He calls the plays and has a yes man Oline coach as his defacto OC. His DC is dreadful and his friendship with him has slanted his judgement terribly.
So why should Rich be motivated to become better? My guess is that he will leave of his own accord at the end of this season. Maybe become the new HC of the Raiders? The assistant coaching bar is set far too low in GB and our HC is directly the problem!
PackAttack4155
December 15, 2023 at 05:11 pm
C'mon folks, 28th isn't enough to hold that group's coach accountable? "He's got young players, they're not special teams specialists, its because of other coaches, and team culture." Have these players never taken a special teams snap until Green Bay? What's the excuse for Dallin Leavitt? Handpicked by Bisaccia to add a talented special teams veteran. He committed so many boneheaded penalties, and was often planted into the ground by blockers, or missing a tackle entirely. His release was more than warranted.
Bisaccia's supposed to be the tough talking, school of hard knocks disciplinarian. What's the excuse for Keisean Nixon, another former Raider? Where is the instilled discipline when a return man can't just let the ball go out of the end zone, over and over again chasing after the big play, only to return the ball to the 15-20 yard line? When you muff a punt, where's the discipline to merely recover it, and let your offense takeover? Nixon is incredibly talented, but he looks like his ego has him playing one-man hero ball, and nobody is bringing him back down to Earth.
Field goals getting blocked far too often this season. That's definitely an execution issue, but where's the discipline on the coach's part to get it across to his players that ship won't sail? A coach probably can't get away with it anymore, but the entire special teams group needs a good ole Bill Schroeder helmet grab, and yelled back into reality by a coach. Enough about young players growing into it. They've been playing this game a long time; discipline doesn't just suddenly happen in year two or three in the pros. There are way too many accepted excuses for what remains an undisciplined, motley crew of special teamers.
relleum61
December 15, 2023 at 05:35 pm
Rich Bisaccia was promoted to Assistant Head Coach this year for this season. How has that promotion distracted from his ST Coordinator duties? Helping JB/MLF might be a major distraction for him. After all, didn't Jerry Gray have a blow-up with JB last year? https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/10/packers-promote-rich-bisacci...
cdoemel
December 15, 2023 at 06:01 pm
The problem is, we, me included, want it all NOW! It’s the lack of patience that’s difficult. And the lack of understanding what we don’t know. And probably don’t understand.
PackAttack4155
December 15, 2023 at 06:31 pm
I don't think that's true. We all know its not happening now, and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with calling out, what we perceive to be, the bad.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 15, 2023 at 11:38 pm
About half the coaching staff is bad, when it comes to player development.
NFLfan
December 15, 2023 at 06:24 pm
I think fans are willing to be patient but when the coaches are in over their heads (MLF), (Stenavich), (Butkus), incompetent,
(Barry) and show the same behavior and faults over and over, the situation calls for a change but there is absolutely no one who will do it and that includes fans.
Coaches know they are safe.
CanPackFan
December 16, 2023 at 12:01 pm
An inconvenient truth. To quote a "green" author...
NFLfan
December 15, 2023 at 06:33 pm
I'm surprised Barry and MLF have an appetite and time to 'lunch'-
Starrbrite
December 15, 2023 at 08:01 pm
Jonathan, I noticed you failed to mention Mo Drayton, perhaps the worst ST coach of all time…and costing a NFC Championship.
Tundraboy
December 15, 2023 at 10:08 pm
Yes. I now have to add him to the rest of our coaches. I hate to admit it but I bought into the hype. Now I'm wondering if the only real lasting accomishment has been to bring in some of his guys, and Nixon his best, has turned out to be a bonehead. And that is the last thing we need to add to a group that has been a disaster waiting to happen at anytime. This team really needs a major rebuild on the coaching. It will only stunt development.
CanPackFan
December 16, 2023 at 12:06 pm
I would love to see this team shake up its coaching staff before next season. But there's one BIG problem - LaFleur and Murphy. Murphy is scared to death of change. And LaFleur will only hire his buddies that he knows from his previous coaching experiences. Both of these man are insular and highly risk averse in a business where some risk must be accepted on a daily basis.
Tundraboy
December 17, 2023 at 09:36 pm
What did Murphy or MLF downvote you?
Tundraboy
December 17, 2023 at 09:41 pm
And this has to be one of the most succinct and spot on statements on the dysfunction at 1265. Well done.
"Both of these men are insular and highly risk averse in a business where some risk must be accepted on a daily basis."
mrtundra
December 19, 2023 at 07:53 am
Right now, Bisaccia is the least of my worries, regarding the coaching staff.