Cowboys: 30 Packers: 16 The Good, Bad and Ugly

Eddie Lacy, Ty Montgomery, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Morgan Burnett

Run Defense, Red Zone Efficiency

Ladarius Gunter, Just About Everything Else

 

 

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Idiot Fan's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:36 pm

Rodgers definitely deserves an Ugly. Though I agree that Gunter does too.

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al bundy's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:53 pm

Great hall of famers dont deteriorate the rogers has. One or two bad games shit happens. This is more than that. He has real fear of tossing picks to the point its destroyed his confidnce. Its on him.

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Savage57's picture

October 17, 2016 at 06:27 am

(conversation between AR and Olivia prior to leaving for game)

"Have a good game, honey, and remember, no picks. It makes me look bad to my friends, dating a guy who can't protect the ball"

"Don't worry, babe. You know how much I like sugar."

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Big_Mel_75's picture

October 17, 2016 at 08:04 am

He just needs to eat a brick of cheese and down a gallon of milk!!

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 18, 2016 at 04:01 am

And a thick, marbled steak, nothing but protein which develops muscle. Olivia's diet is 80/20, eighty percent fruit and twenty percent "anything else", according to her.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:43 pm

Rodgers can take the bad and the ugly. How Rodgers gets no mention I don't know.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

October 17, 2016 at 07:37 am

I agree. Rodgers was terrible.

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:36 pm

Irish, that post should read "Rodgers has been terrible for two years.

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Point-Packer's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:37 pm

Gunter deserves a new category:

"Shit Fucking Awful"

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:02 am

He isn't ready yet. Probably has a ceiling of nickel back or a NFL average CB who can use his physicality to match up against some receivers like an Al Harris. Hype struck last week. Lots of hyperbole. I noted that Gunter got torched twice deep but Eli simply missed the receiver. Still think letting House and Hayward walk was the correct decision. We just needed decent health to let these youngsters grow.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 18, 2016 at 04:04 am

Casey Hayward is playing great with theChargers. We could have kept him for a bit less than he was worth.

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rdent's picture

October 17, 2016 at 10:17 am

There is no category to describe how bad Gunter was

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Finwiz's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:30 pm

How could ANYBODY dislike this comment? Anyone that did is a complete football moron. Sorry.

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jimtalkbox's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:40 pm

That was the worst game I've seen since 2013 when Flynn was starting.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:45 pm

"Just About Everything Else"

Nah, Aaron Rodgers' name needs to be there too. We're quick to throw other names there when they have bad games.

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ZacharyJacobson's picture

October 16, 2016 at 11:12 pm

Nah. "Just about everything else" includes Rodgers, the offense as a whole and every other poor aspect of the game. It was a more dramatic way of acknowledging the multitude of problems today rather than typing out each individual one.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

October 16, 2016 at 11:26 pm

So, Gunter's performance was worse than Rodgers'?

Let me guess. Nah???

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:07 am

I like your articles, Zach, better than several of the other authors on this site. But this did not come off as more dramatic. I am sure that was your intent, but it came off more like MM's press conference. Naming the names would have been more effective.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:14 am

Even tough Rodgers was the most glaring negative? Rodgers and his free pass are the biggest issue with the team.

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Point-Packer's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:45 pm

Would have sure been nice to have Hayward or House tonight. Why does everyone exploit our backup CBs and we simply don't do anything when we are faced with the same opportunity?

Gunter or Goodson wouldn't be on any other team in the NFL. Draft and develope. My ass. Goodson shouldn't be on this roster. At lest Gunter has flashed every now and then.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:22 pm

Oh brother. Would have been nice to have our top three cornerbacks ON the roster

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rdent's picture

October 17, 2016 at 12:27 pm

Sure Gunter has flashed a couple times against mediocre teams but was really exposed against better competition,I was waiting for that to happen and it did,I am not surprised at all. Injuries to Randall and Rollins aside it seems like all 3 have regressed this year

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:39 pm

Rodgers, too, has been exposed by just about every team in the last 2 years.

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Colin_C's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:46 pm

Good: Ty, Lacy, pass blocking, and special teams.

Bad: Secondary, pass rush, and coaching

Ugly: Run D, Rodgers, turnovers, and the Vikes are 5-0.

Hey, at least we're not Carolina at 1-5.

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zoellner25's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:46 pm

Good = Crosby. Bad + ugly = everything else. Montgomery fumbles a lot. That's not good.

Anyone seen a blonde guy wearing #52?

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Point-Packer's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:06 pm

#52? Is that the grossly overpaid guy who disappears for long stretches during big games? If not, never heard of em

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:49 pm

The OLBs where forced to play soft by the Cowboys running game.

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Point-Packer's picture

October 16, 2016 at 10:00 pm

Whatever. Dak had all day back there. And Mathews was getting pushed around like a bullied nerd on the playground.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

October 17, 2016 at 07:42 am

No, but I saw a gray-haired guy that wore #4. Looks good in that gold jacket!

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al bundy's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:49 pm

The good, fat ass lacy giving it his all. Hey this guy put all the weght back on and then some. The analyst suggested lacy is more like 254 then 234.
The bad the pass defense ball handling all around.
The ugly, Rogers play, r rogers being non existant and jordy lack of speed.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 16, 2016 at 08:59 pm

G: Monty. Lacy's Cankle. Crosby.
B: CB injuries. 4th Q. Run D. MM's timeout usage.

U: MIKE EFFEN MCCARTHY AND AARON EFFEN RODGERS

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:41 pm

Best post of the day, Bearmeat

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:04 pm

Good- finally using Montgomery as a receiver out of the backfield. The lone true highlight of the game is we may have found another weapon.

Schum had a tremendous punt.
Burnett was really good.

Bad- Packers offense, Rodgers, turnovers.

Ugly- injuries.

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Flow49's picture

October 18, 2016 at 06:57 am

We've all known about Monty McCarthy just won't use him... Doubt that will change much

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DukeDivine's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:10 pm

TheGood: The Bears still suck

The Bad: The PAckers mental fortitude and my confidence in this regime and roster

The Ugly: Rodgers since we've healed, welcomed back, and forgave the ol Gunslinger.

It's like an episode of "The Twilight Zone" with some weird Favre complex eating Arodge from inside his brain.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:08 pm

We play like that (which I can't see what will change before thursday), and the Bears will beat us.

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Since'61's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:25 pm

Good: OL, Lacy, Montgomery, Crosby, Burnett
Bad: Aaron Rodgers, CBs, Coaching
Ugly: Injuries

This team especially the offense needs to find their confidence again. MM has a huge job between now and Thursday to get the Packers ready to play especially with all of the injuries. Time to give Monty a bigger role in this offense. Why haven't they used him more already? What the hell is going on up there? Thanks, Since '61

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:44 pm

I think Monty may be a liability with his lack of ball security

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Handsback's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:26 pm

The defense to me gets a pass. It was up to the offense to do ball control and keep scoring.
It didn't happen...Lacy was hobbled but Rodgers was awful. Dallas defense isn't top ten so that means Green Bay needs a definite shake-up. Sounds like Starks and Crockett are out for quite some time. That leaves a PS guy or Burk that has to play a become the change of pace back.
The passing game is bad. It will take another 3 games to get it upright and moving in the right direction.
The defense will be w/o Shields for ? and Randall for ?.
I'm going to enjoy this season, but I really don't see this team getting very far unless they get healthy.
I'm afraid those bad and ugly list will get longer through the season.

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stockholder's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:27 pm

The good, Davis Punt return, Montgomery shows he is the new #3 WR. Janis caught his first two passes. The bad- The coaching, The CBs. A. rodgers The teams worst lost in 5 years. The ugly - 5 Fumbles and 1 INT.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 16, 2016 at 11:08 pm

That was a hell of a PR. He definitely flashed his speed on that play.

Speaking of his speed, why haven't they tried using his speed on offense again?

Montgomery definitely provided a true weapon coming out of the backfield. Something McCarthy should donlore often.

Ball security has gotten horrible lately.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:23 am

RC, Monty did show some things. He showed that he can be a weapon; he showed that he'll have drops or turn over the ball (twice today - like he did in college). Just know that you are getting some maddening inconsistency that hopefully can be minimized by coaching.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 17, 2016 at 07:44 am

He actually only had 1 turnover. He fumbled 2 times but the other went out of bounds.
I think some of that was due to fatigue. Montgomery simply has not played that much in a game this season. He seemed gassed to me.

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stockholder's picture

October 17, 2016 at 10:36 am

Montgomery showed he is the #3 WR. He has regained his ability before his injury. I could not believe the call to have him run it on 3 rd and short. If Rip can't do that run why have him? Kuhn at least was 50/50 on those. And where is the TE s on that play. Farve use to boot leg. So MM knows better and if he can't find the personal to get it done. Something needs to change.

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Rick Rubner's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:31 pm

Rodgers definitely gets an ugly but have all the dropped passes gotten to him?

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packrat's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:41 pm

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Disgusting.

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rdent's picture

October 16, 2016 at 10:18 pm

Should we all give praise to a game like that?

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Razor's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:46 pm

The Good: We are RELAXED.

The Bad: We're not RELAXED enough.

The Ugly: AR has RELAXED into a coma.

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rdent's picture

October 16, 2016 at 10:21 pm

Could be a coma or AR's head is in Olivia Munns crotch,it sure isn't in football!

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badaxed's picture

October 16, 2016 at 09:59 pm

the good: many packers fans will now see this team sucks.

The bad: many packers fans will now see this team sucks.

The ugly: Howdy doody, the white Zombie, mcfatty, the fading qb, and the packers board of directors.

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Spiderpack's picture

October 16, 2016 at 10:12 pm

I am not saving time on Sundays for this team anymore. Aaron lived up to Bob McGinn's characterization and summary of his play once again.

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MarkinMadison's picture

October 16, 2016 at 10:15 pm

Yeah, Favre kind of sucked at a similar age. In 2000 he was 31 and had one of his worst years. It can happen. It can get better.

I expected a rough start to the season. We've played to tough teams and lost to both. Keep calm.

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:50 pm

Was Favre EVER as bad as Rodgers for the same length of time. I certainly don't remember Favre being as arrogant as Rodgers!

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Spiderpack's picture

October 16, 2016 at 10:16 pm

Cow lives.

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Spiderpack's picture

October 16, 2016 at 10:18 pm

How many times have we made excuses for this team? I'm Tired of doing that. My time would be better off used growing tomatoes in October in Wisconsin.

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Denise Chanterelle's picture

October 16, 2016 at 11:27 pm

The Good: GB plays the Bears on Thur.

The Bad: GB could lose the game. (at home!).

The Ugly: Ton of contract $ wrapped up in TT, MM, AR, & CM III. Very hard to move out till 2018 or later, if then.

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Pack204's picture

October 16, 2016 at 11:28 pm

I just cant wrap my head around this. I hate firing coaches but it almost feels like its time for a change. If they miss the playoffs or lose in the wild card game i think you have to bring a new voice and completely new staff.. I think MM is a good coach, its just the reality that sometimes the message gets old and it gets tuned out. MM would have a lot of teams looking for his services. Even some of the best coaches have gotten fired once in their career.

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GVPacker's picture

October 16, 2016 at 11:40 pm

Just putting this out there please chime in, could the turf at Lambeau be a contributing factor in many of those lower body injuries that plague the Packers every year? Pulled Hamstrings and Groin Issue's ? I've noticed a lot of the Packers falling down and slipping and sliding during the course of a game!

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RVAborn's picture

October 17, 2016 at 12:13 am

The turf is fine. The cleats just need to execute better. All kidding aside, it did seem like the skill positions of GB had some issues with footing, yet Dallas really didn't. However, it is rather uncanny how GB is one of the most injured teams year, after year, after year. Unfortunately there appears to be a lot bigger issues than just grass.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:50 am

Bad cleat level. They will get it fixed. Relax.

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Steven Bondeli's picture

October 16, 2016 at 11:51 pm

Well there are 31 other teams to follow. Pick a bandwagon and hop on.

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RVAborn's picture

October 17, 2016 at 12:44 am

Fans own this team. We have every right to be ticked off when we have seen the same garbage of an offense for a year now. We have a right to question why the hell our $20+mil/yr Qb can't complete simple passes with OUTSTANDING pass protection. The effing fans are paying his salary, and there's a reason they were booing tonight. I live in Virginia (my father is from Wisconsin-so yes, I do have an affiliation with the team) and we are contemplating going to see a game, but I'm struggling to blow 3 grand on a round trip to watch that.

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:53 pm

Spend your money on the Redskins.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 18, 2016 at 04:10 am

A lot has to do with wide receivers and a lot with not having a tight end, also coaching. Remember, las year we had the slowest wide receiving corps in the NFL. Also, Rodgers went "Hollywood" and he's not the same, possibly because he doesn't eat right.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:36 am

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. AR had a 90.7 rating against Dallas. I've always discounted QBR, but his 35 QBR is more indicative of how he played. I don't care what his rating was, he was bad when it mattered.

I've always written that QB is 90% between the ears. It looks to me like that part is off for AR, and he also has some accuracy issues. At least 10 throws were off, and some of those were caught.

I don't purport to know what is up with AR. Has he lost the mental edge he used to have? Has he lost some physical skill? IDK. Football is still a team sport, so it is harder to isolate.

Great players do sometimes, inexplicably, lose that edge. Bjorn Borg never won a singles grand slam title after age 25. Of course, he walked away from the game. John McEnroe never won a singles grand slam after he turned 25, and he played a long time. In high school, a friend of mine won State twice, and he was done. He ignored the scholarship offers and never played in college. Some can regain the edge. Time will tell.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 18, 2016 at 04:20 am

I think it's the "new" Hollywood Rodgers and the fads he believes in as far as diet. His girlfriend is going on the 80/20 diet, 80% fruit and 20% whatever. She may need to be slim as heck, but Rodgers needs to be strong and quick. I would put him on cheese and meat, two of the best sources of protein. Sorry guys, but soy ain't going to cut it.

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:36 am

About 2.5 years ago, during LIGOs initial cold run, an astonishingly large, super giant black hole was discovered between our Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxy. Even more surprising was the veracity at which it fed. Scientist calculated the Milky Way had just but a few years before it too was devoured. Unfortunately our best calculations were way off. To our knowledge, the milky Way galaxy whizzed past the event horizon January 18th, 2016. Within hours, the worm hole faded away into the distance and we found ourselves on the other end of the Universe while still on our home planet of Earth.
We initially believed we made it to our new home unscathed, but began witnessing anomalies and subtle differences. The biggest and most public change involved once Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers. It seems as though his passage through the anomaly has made him near opposite of what he was in our old space time location. He became a terrible decision maker, especially during his read progression sequence during live game play.. It gets even worse after he sails the ball out his once accurate arm, now choosing to throw rear foot first.
Psychologist Dr Don "Donboy" Cheechman was the first to notice a profoundly different attitude from the former football great. Aaron agreed to be put through a gamut of tests at Dr Cheechman's Stanford lab, which contained a state of art f-MRI machine. Cheechman's tests had proven a drastic and irreversible change occurred in Rodger's brain during our passage through the spacetime continuum, had induced an entirely unusual and novel symptom. His brain aged what amounts to over 50 years in the mere minutes it took to get the Milky Way through the wormhole, however his body came through completely the same as before. His distain for his work and teammates is evident. Once a joy to watch, Rodger's attitude now mirrors closely with an EXTREMELY grumpy 80 year old man. Fortunately for Rodgers, his coach has no plans to make any changes at the QB position or any other change unless it directly involves pad level.
A Charity has been set up in Rodgers name. Details can be found in the Sunday edition of the Milwaukee Journal. Rodgers says he plans to use the money to stockpile Sam's Club bird seed to aid in his new favorite pastime; feeding pigeons in Green Bay's public parks. Rodgers long time girlfriend took her own life live on air by jumping into a volcano. As you may remember, everyone thought their time was up. Packer Nation is rooting for you, Grandpa Rodgers.

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holmesmd's picture

October 17, 2016 at 05:58 am

Hilarious & very creative! Bravo!

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 18, 2016 at 04:24 am

And all of that probably played into my diabetes getting, worse, any other theories?

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October 17, 2016 at 02:47 am

Just beat the goddamn Bears. Okay, assholes?

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croatpackfan's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:52 am

There is some fast help on the way for Thursday night. I suggest:
1. Bench Rodgers and start with Brett Hundley;
2. Use more 3 WR set changing the receivers so we should see what Abby, Monty and Jeff as trio can do;
3. Promote RB from practice squad to active roster (or find some FA - like that guy who played for Packers in preseason - Brandon Burks);
4. Start to disperse balls on more players and play to move the chains, not to gain big plays;
5. Rest the team, cut the practices to most neccessary!

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:57 pm

I agree with #1, but unfortunately, everybody else thinks I am a lunatic

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Royce Kyle's picture

October 17, 2016 at 04:20 am

TT, MM and A Rod era is in need of a new face... accountability goddammit... sit Aaron Rodgers fidgety, scary, unsure ass down for two quarters and let him get his mind right or else. He's the problem ....No more sugar-coating his fuck-ups. Let's for once be real about his inaccurate ass. Let's quit blaming the wide receivers and the
rest of the team ;;they played their hearts out. Tell the Prima donna that he's been fucking up for a year and a half...I'm sorry for my angered language but this can't go on.

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dschwalm's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:00 pm

Hear! Hear! Some of the GB fans should read what other media outlets are saying about McFatty and Mr Arrogance. It ain't pretty.

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daveh's picture

October 17, 2016 at 05:29 am

I hear how talented the Packers are, if that's true, it means MM isn't doing g his job as HC, like have been saying, the Packers WILL NOT go to the Super Bowl with MM, just my opinion. Thank U

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rdent's picture

October 17, 2016 at 10:31 am

I have came to that conclusion after the meltdown in Seattle

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marpag1's picture

October 17, 2016 at 06:15 am

This is one of those games when you try to convince yourself that you don't really care THAT much about football - hey, it's just a game, right? - but all of your little mind games don't really make you feel any better.

To me, there is no question that both ARod and Gunter deserve the ugly designation. Heck, that's being generous.

What I saw from Gunter was borderline cut-worthy, IMO. He looked like a donkey in pads. I get it that he's the bottom of our cornerback depth, but in addition to getting fried like crispy bacon, he also had a few egregious missed tackles. That play when they got the big reception over his head on the double move - the one where he flailed around laughably and then fell over backwards - made him look like the drunk guy at the party who falls into the pool.

ARod was about as bad, although I will still admit that if a couple of - cough, cough - "little things" would have gone better the whole face of the game could have changed. Missing a wide open Cobb in the endzone comes to mind, as does fumbling away a possession inside of the opponent's five yard line.

I'm still not happy with the receivers, either. Nelson had another bad game (his 68 yards notwithstanding), including a killer lost fumble. We can say that Rodgers has all day to stand in the pocket, but that doesn't do away with the fact that he often NEEDS all day before someone will come open. Besides, standing all day in the pocket still destroys the rhythm of the play and can lead to flat footed arm throws. It's not like "take your drop and fire."

We can also say that ARod used to be able to "throw the receiver open." Yeah, that's all well and good... but is it too much to expect that a receiver will actually BE open rather than needing to BE THROWN open? I understand that a lot of it is on Rodgers not seeing or not hitting an open guy, but the receivers aren't great either.

That said, the WRs are still better than they were, and Monty had a very nice game. It does appear that we no longer have a TE on the roster, though.

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Idiot Fan's picture

October 17, 2016 at 09:41 am

I agree with much of this, but one play that stood out to me yesterday was when Rodgers hit Janis on third and long for a first down after standing in the pocket for a long time. During the replay, Aikman said, "Janis was open early, I'm not sure why Rodgers didn't hit him right away." I haven't had the benefit of rewatching the game, but I feel like there were plenty of open receivers yesterday. And sometimes when receivers are open, if the throw to them is behind them it makes them look a lot less open when they have to wait or reach back for the ball.

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stockholder's picture

October 17, 2016 at 10:26 am

Because he does not want Janis taking Adams spot. Adams made 1 catch in his bread basket. The other was above his shoulders and he still could not catch it. The play he got hurt on was another in which the defender helped him hold on to it, during the tackle. And where was Abbey yesterday. Running Gunner? To me A-rod is sealing his own Fate. Out of the Hall of Fame. If MM goes he can take A-rod with him. I believe it's time for TT to retire too. When the depth of the team is determined by draft status and not game ability. The system needs fixing.

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marpag1's picture

October 17, 2016 at 10:37 am

Agreed, Idiot Fan. I remember the play you're talking about. My only guess is that Rodgers might have thought that a D lineman was in his throwing lane, but probably Aikman was right and ARod just missed it.

I guess what I'm trying to do, though, is add another thought to the discussion. It's not really good enough if receivers get open SOMEWHERE or SOME TIME. WHEN and WHERE they get open makes a difference. And I'm not sure if the WRs are consistently doing what is expected of them.

When the ball is snapped on a passing play, the QB knows perfectly well where every WR is going and about how long it should take his route to develop. So he goes through his progression, in order, and if he sees an open guy, he throws it. But by the time some TV commentator can say, "And Rodgers has all day...." the progression has already "progressed" and now the thing is just a scramble drill. If a play goes on that long, it means that none of the PLANNED routes were successful, because no one plans a route that takes 8 or 10 seconds to develop. So unlike at the beginning of the play, Rodgers no longer has any idea where people will be going or when they are likely to break into the clear. And it's always much easier to make a good throw when you are expecting it, as opposed to seeing something unexpected and then quickly reacting.

In a scramble drill situation, if ARod doesn't really know where he should be looking, it's not surprising if there are a good number of receivers that he isn't seeing. If the play goes on for 7 or 8 seconds and ARod happens to be looking left while Janis quite unexpectedly manages to break free over on the right... well, what are the odds that Rodgers is going to see it and then be able to deliver the ball?

Listen to what people are saying about Rodgers and we'll hear a lot about "he isn't setting his feet" or "he's making a lot of arm throws without stepping into it,," "his accuracy is off," or "he's throwing across his body" etc. etc. People assume that this must mean he has lost his mechanics. But I would say it's just as possible (at least on some of these plays) that the action has broken down to sandlot football. He's not in position to make the throw because he didn't know where or when that receiver might be open.

Having said all this, I'm definitely NOT SAYING that none of this is ARod's fault. He's off, without a doubt... rather badly, in fact. But I do think that a good bit of this is because receivers are still not winning as consistently as they should.

I'd be interested to hear what others think.

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Idiot Fan's picture

October 17, 2016 at 01:48 pm

Yeah, it's certainly possible. The big question - which is hard for us to answer watching on TV - is whether receivers are not getting open or Rodgers isn't pulling the trigger, or both. In all likelihood it's some of both. Everything I read these days about MM's reliance on iso-routes leads me to believe that he isn't exactly helping out the receivers. Though in McGinn's article he quoted scouts from other teams saying there was more than enough WR talent in GB. Maybe sometimes they get open on their routes, sometimes they don't. And other times Rodgers just doesn't pull the trigger, for whatever reason. All in all it adds up to a bunch of suckitude.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 18, 2016 at 04:10 am

In the abstract, yes, I agree 100%, Marpag1. I, too, have written before that it matters where and when a WR obtains separation. In truth, every successful WR gets open, and to be successful, must get open, many times more than he is targeted. It is probably a factor of 2 - that is, if a receiver gets open 18 times on his routes, he can expect to be targeted perhaps 9 times.

If AR's primary read is a 10 yard out to the left side, it is almost immaterial whether the WR on the far right side gets open early: AR looks left first and doesn't (can't) see the other side of the field.

The problem in part anyway is that AR sometimes ignores open receivers. See the link below. Here is my comment (note the 1 like and 7 dislikes I got - I've been wondering about AR longer than most on this site, and in October of 2014, one could not question AR at all):

Thegreatreynoldo says:
October 02, 2014 at 01:32 am(edit)

I love these articles you write. One question though. Why does A. Rodgers have to scramble on this play? The play seems to be designed to go to one of the TEs. Quarless gets bumped by a LB about 8 yards down field but is open once he reaches a point about 10 to 12 yards down field. Richard Rodgers gets a clean release and once Nelson gets doubled, he too looks wide open once he reaches about 10 to 12 yards down field. So why isn't the pass thrown to one of the TEs in about 2 to 2.5 seconds? It was a 4-man rush. I see Bakhtiari's man break free, but did the protection break down that fast?

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I watched this on video as well. Despite the play being designed to stress the single high safety by running both TEs down the hash marks, so that I concluded the primary read was down the middle, AR looked at Nelson first. Well, I suppose Nelson was in the process of gaining 1500+ yards receiving. But it is a bad habit.

http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/xs-and-os-packers-bears-film-study-review

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fthisJack's picture

October 17, 2016 at 08:21 am

third and short should be in the ugly every effing week!

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NMPF's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:14 pm

Truth be told, just not a very good team right now, front office/ coaching staff to punter and everything in between. Scheme, play calling, personal packages it does not matter. A sub par #12 shows how much this organization top to bottom is barely treading water. Just as the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. So to must the hierarchy of a complacent and stagnant team.

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Finwiz's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:27 pm

I can tell you this, and this is after gaining my composure to write this......number 36 Ladarious Gunter has about as much business playing in the NFL as me! They should cut that guy today and go get old man Cromarte. I have never seen a worse display of cornerback play in all my life! And they should fire Capers today as well - let one of the assistants take over until year end....it can't get much worse.

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Finwiz's picture

October 17, 2016 at 02:29 pm

Opposing defenses have figured the Packers out, and how to defend Rodgers, and ALL of them are following the script. This offense won't get better until they make some schematic changes or fire the head coach. He's too stubborn so I don't expect any schematic changes out of this group.

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WinUSA's picture

October 17, 2016 at 04:03 pm

The Good::
No serious Injuries.

The Bad: jsmh watching our quarterback brings back nightmares of the 80's array of Packer qbs. Honestly, Rodgers play has been that of any 2nd string qb in the league. I know the haters out there will rip me apart..but the guy has to ride the pines for a while to get his head back...he has lost it..PERIOD!

The Ugly:

If I die tomorrow and don't have to see those fcking ugly uniforms it would be a nice time to see the pearly gates. Reminds me of when my mother use to put me in a snow suit with idiot mittens...I couldn't move unless someone pushed me down the hill. That's what this team played like yesterday..shameful.

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WinUSA's picture

October 17, 2016 at 04:03 pm

The Good::
No serious Injuries.

The Bad: jsmh watching our quarterback brings back nightmares of the 80's array of Packer qbs. Honestly, Rodgers play has been that of any 2nd string qb in the league. I know the haters out there will rip me apart..but the guy has to ride the pines for a while to get his head back...he has lost it..PERIOD!

The Ugly:

If I die tomorrow and don't have to see those fcking ugly uniforms it would be a nice time to see the pearly gates. Reminds me of when my mother use to put me in a snow suit with idiot mittens...I couldn't move unless someone pushed me down the hill. That's what this team played like yesterday..shameful.

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WinUSA's picture

October 17, 2016 at 04:03 pm

The Good::
No serious Injuries.

The Bad: jsmh watching our quarterback brings back nightmares of the 80's array of Packer qbs. Honestly, Rodgers play has been that of any 2nd string qb in the league. I know the haters out there will rip me apart..but the guy has to ride the pines for a while to get his head back...he has lost it..PERIOD!

The Ugly:

If I die tomorrow and don't have to see those fcking ugly uniforms it would be a nice time to see the pearly gates. Reminds me of when my mother use to put me in a snow suit with idiot mittens...I couldn't move unless someone pushed me down the hill. That's what this team played like yesterday..shameful.

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al bundy's picture

October 17, 2016 at 07:24 pm

The bad: the packers. Just voted for pro bowl selections.

Lacy has no touchdowns in 5 games. Maybe I'm effen mistakn but doesnt someone need to score to win? Based on other backs he's not even in most league.

TE r rogers has caught 8 total passes in 5 games for 87 yards.

A Rogers has one of the lowest completion rates of all qbs.

Mathews isnt close to his competiton. They actaully make tackels.

The only pro bowlers may be on the o line?

No skill or impact players on this team.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 18, 2016 at 05:01 am

Worst, Ted Thompson drafting a baseball player and a basketball player as his 1 and two highest draft picks ltwo years ago when he should have drafted two outstanding wide receivers from well-recognized football programs for Rodgers. When you have a "Rodgers", feed him with speed. Instead, we get Davante and two wide receivers drafted 5th and 6th, one of which can't learn the playbook. He recruits a tight end from Cal that is slow as snails. However, Montgomery seems to have worked ourt.
As to Jordy, he's not back yet. All these issues combine to Cobb being neutralised.
McCarthy is pusillanimous and doesn't want to take risks. His fear of losing games, making lose games.
Lacy is the goodand now McCarthy is playing him with an ankle injury, not such a good idea.
You can't win a game with five turn overs and yes, you can get a running back from other teams' practice squads, there are loads of them, especially since Starks is showing nothing this year.
The offense is in total disarray as it was last year. McCarthy should state "the buck stops here", but he's not.

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