Cory's Corner: Tough Call On Allen Lazard

I always liked Allen Lazard.

Signed as an undrafted rookie by the Jaguars, he has continually climbed his way up the pro ladder. 

The 6-foot-5 wideout, who finished as Iowa State University’s all-time leader in receptions (241) and receiving yards (3,360), made a big jump from his 2020 production to this past season. He went from nine starts and three touchdowns in 2020 to 13 starts and eight touchdowns this year. 

Lazard is a free agent. He has proven a lot, but the Packers shouldn’t bring him back. According to Spotrac.com, Lazard’s calculated market value is $7.7 million a year. 

There’s no way the Packers should pay that. Even if the Packers weren’t at the gates of salary cap hell, Lazard is a risky gamble at that price. This is a passing league, but receivers can be bought at the Dollar Store. (And no, I wouldn’t pay Davante Adams his calculated market value of $25.8 million.)

It seems like college football has been giving the pro game three good wide receivers in the last several seasons. This year, there are six wideouts projected to go in the top 40 — including Ohio State’s Garrett Wilson and Alabama’s Jameson Williams in the top 15. 

If the Packers get an 18-wheeler’s worth of picks for Aaron Rodgers, the first place they have to go is wide receiver — a position that was ignored by the Green Bay brass in 2020, which was one of the deepest and best wide receiver drafts in history. 

If Adams doesn’t come back to Green Bay, the argument is even stronger not to bring Lazard back. He is a complimentary receiver, not a true No. 1. In six games when Adams was inactive in 2019 and 2020, Lazard caught 18 passes for 295 yards and two touchdowns. That includes the career-high six-catch, 146-yard performance at New Orleans in 2020.

I really like Lazard, but the price isn’t right for a position that can be easily replaced. If it was quarterback, left tackle or edge rusher, it would be a different story. 

But even if the Packers don’t dip their feet completely in the wideout pool this year, they will eventually because the receiving crop just continues to turn over. 

I like Lazard, but it’s just not a fit right now. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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SanLobo's picture

February 01, 2022 at 06:10 am

Lazard’s calculated market value does not equal his cost in real dollars. What it will cost to sign him will be determined by the demand for him versus what he’s willing to accept. I haven’t heard him talk on the subject of his free agency nor have I seen anything from his agent. I think the front office and Lazard’s agent can haggle this out and if they come to an agreement both find acceptable, then so be it. I just don’t see anything coming of this for a few weeks yet.

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NickPerry's picture

February 01, 2022 at 06:21 am

"Lazard is a free agent. He has proven a lot, but the Packers shouldn’t bring him back. According to Spotrac.com, Lazard’s calculated market value is $7.7 million a year. "

Don't get me wrong, like Cory I like Allen Lazard. But on what planet is Lazard worth $7.7 million a year? I have to believe that figure will go down, because even teams who are oozing cap space aren't going to pay him that much money.

Lazard IMO is one of the top three BLOCKING WR in the entire NFL if not the best. With that said he's never showed he could be a true #2, even though he SORTA played like one at the end of the 2021 season. 40 catches, 513 yards and 8 TD's isn't #2 WR stats IMO.

Lazard is important to what the Packers do. Now I don't think he's $7.7 million worth of important, but for THIS scheme, for THIS team, Allen Lazard is vital. It's going to be an interesting offseason. But with choices like this facing the Packers, it's ALL THE MORE reason to trade Rodgers for what you can THIS offseason and do the rebuild thing. Personally I think they can win the NFCN with Love, maybe even a playoff game...

So in other words, let's go with Love, get a discount on Lazard, get a shit load of picks and a player or two for trading Rodgers, DO NOT pay Adams that ridiculous amount of money, and finish EXACTLY where we have the last 3 seasons in 2022...Watching the SB but with HOPE in 2023!

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jurp's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:41 am

If the Packers win a playoff game in 22 with Love, then they will have already exceeded what they did with Rodgers this year. Now THAT I'd like to see :)

I think you're right about this upcoming season, but I think we match this year's playoff results. I can see 2022 as being more of a "learning" year and that we get closer in 23 than we were this year. I also think that we win it all in 24, kind of like how things worked out in 1994-96 for GB.

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NickPerry's picture

February 01, 2022 at 10:49 am

I love this comment and thinking by jurp... It's GOING to take a little time, just like it did from 2008 to 2009 and then 2010.

KEEP Campbell, Douglas, Alexander, Preston Smith, and players like that we can hopefully afford to keep ONCE we trade Rodgers and make some other HARD cuts that are going to have to be done.

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Gee's picture

February 02, 2022 at 04:12 pm

While I agree with your thinking on Lazard, and hopefully he will take a reasonable contract. What I don't get, is the continued piling on Rodgers. If they expect to get a boat load of picks, you better hope GMs don't think the way a lot of people here think. What boat load of picks are you getting, if he has been seen as diva and playoff choker?

Before anyone brings up what Stafford trade got, that team was primed for a run not sure about the the teams rumored to have interest in Rodgers are in the same position. Even after that the Rams trade for a HOF linebacker and paid for a real number 2 wideout after being released. I believe Gute will be a player after the moves, this season, but I'm still scared from the TT hoarding picks and cap space, like a dragon guarding his treasure hoard.

My position on Rodgers hasn't change since the off season, for this team to move forward Rodger needs to be traded. That's why I believe the FO, is making it seems they want him back and in a way increasing his value, by being a team in play for his services. To be honest do to his age and contract, his value is lessen, even with back to back MVPs. I see a few picks no boatload, that they would have got if they made the trade last off season.

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CoryJennerjohn's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:08 am

I agree Nick. The $7.7M figure is pretty rich, but that's what Spotrac has as his calculated market value. I would be OK with a contract around $3M.

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NickPerry's picture

February 01, 2022 at 10:49 am

Me too Cory...$3 million sounds right and affordable!

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:16 am

"40 catches, 513 yards and 8 TD's isn't #2 WR stats IMO."

What would those numbers be if he had a QB that would actually throw him the ball when he is open, instead of forcing it to a receiver who is covered 20-30 yards down the field?

As you've stated, he's a GREAT blocking WR who has a 68.6% catch percentage. I'd be really disappointed if they didn't find a way to keep him.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:54 am

Well said 13th!

Lazard (you could also replace Lazard with Tonyan and MVS) with a QB who actually throws to him and his stats would be much better. Don't know what Lazards value is worth but you give me 11 offensive players who plays like Lazard you would be knocking on the door of the SB each and every year.

For those who want Rodgers and Adam's resigned be prepared to see guys like Lazard signing elsewhere. Additionally, Lazard is the prototypical veteran player you want on every ST's. He is much more than just a WR!

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 01, 2022 at 06:17 pm

He's a guy that moves the chains. What was Cobb's salary? Lazard between 6.0-6.5M is fair.

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Ethanm21's picture

February 01, 2022 at 10:27 am

I’m order to get any stats you have to have the WB actually look your direction and throw you the ball. Lazard clearly has skills. Just like I’m the championship game Lazard was wide open and Rodgers just threw a hail marry to a double covered Davante. I’d sign him and tell my QB to stop playing like a rookie and having a pre conceived notion of where I’m going with the ball.

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davekenya's picture

February 01, 2022 at 11:09 am

If backroom conversations are occurring b/t Green Bay and Denver for Rodgers, there's no reason to think Lazard isn't part of a 'packaging' deal as AR would like to have him in Denver...esp. if Denver can't/won't get Adams. If..if...if...yes, this is speculation, but it would make sense for both teams benefit.

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 01, 2022 at 11:29 am

So GB would be without Rodgers, Adams, AND Lazard next year? Not really seeing how that would make sense or benefit GB.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:00 am

$7.7 million, probably not, but admittedly I don't know enough about the market price to make an educated comment.
What I do know is that I like Lazard and I think he'd be an integral, important part if Rodgers an Adams leave. Assuming that Cobb is gone as well, Lazard would become the Veteran in the receivers room, the guy that knows the system best. The second part of that would be that, if indeed Love is the QB next year (with which I have serious doubts) he's going to need some familiar faces and a guy that knows him and his tendencies.
I see Lazard as some form of 'Tweener' right now, is he there, is he just a little bit short, is he still on the rise, or has he topped out? I don't know.
I do know this, for some reason I have always likened Lazard to an offensive version of Micah Hyde when he was in GB, always there but not quite to the top. I'd like to see him back, and see what he looks like out of Adams' shadow and Rodgers' tendencies.
I'd take Hyde back anytime.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:29 am

Do your homework, Cory.

Lazard only has 3 accrued seasons and is an RFA, so the Packers can tender him and likely keep anyone from signing him away. If the Packers tender him at the second round level, he costs them about $4M against the cap and that will keep him in GB for another year--and give them time to redo his deal and get a better 2022 cap number if they want. No other team will try to sign him at that level and surrender a second round pick. If they do? Hey, you get their second round pick. That's just a 'for instance' tender. The Packers can tender him at a lower level and have the right to match or exceed any contract another team offers (about $2.5M cap hit).

Whatever the case, even if the Packers offer a longer term deal up front to Lazard, they should be able to keep his cap hit in 2022 at or below the $4M they would pay him on a second round tender. With the cupboard as bare as it is at WR in GB in 2022 and with the role Lazard plays in the offense, a cap hit at or below $4M seems like a price they will pay if they can.

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HawkPacker's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:53 am

Hope you are correct Dobber. Question, if Devante walks does GB get a third rounder? can they franchise him and then trade him?

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:10 am

Here's the referencing on Lazard and 2022 tenders:

https://overthecap.com/player/allen-lazard/7167/
https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders/

If Adams walks this offseason and signs an FA deal, the compensation picks the Packers get in return would reflect the contract he signs with the next team. I think that's likely to be a 3rd.

Yes, the Packers can franchise and trade Adams, but a franchise tag is like a placeholder contract until Adams signs the tag. So the Packers would be on the hook on their top 51 contracts to account for his $19.xM (see OTC tenders link above) immediately at the start of the new league year in March...so essentially, they would be $60-some-M over the cap (until they start making room) rather than the $40-some-M they are right now.

I'm unsure if a tag-and-trade can be completed such that it's executed at the start of the league year and Adams doesn't ever count against the Packers cap. If that were the case, I think we'd see this tactic far more often. TGR? What can you tell us?

lionswire.usatoday.com/lists/history-of-the-tag-and-trade-outcomes-for-franchise-players-and-teams/
www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-franchise-tag-meaning-deadlines-val...

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Coldworld's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:50 am

To Tag Adams, we would need to be an extra 20 million under the cap as of March 18. That’s the approximate cost of the WR tag. That is not circumnavigable.

if we don’t have a guaranteed taker, we would then either have to pay him what he will accept for a long term deal, pushing a ton of cap into the future or need to cut 80 -85 million to get through the year assuming no significant FAs are signed, not the minimum of 60-65 required as things stand.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:22 am

Yes! Thanks!

The key is, as soon as something happens on the DA front, his 2022 hit is either reduced (extension) or removed (trade)...which means some or all of his $20M is available and can become part of the Packers' "wiggle room" in 2022. So the Packers will be under pressure to not let a tagged Adams linger at the tag number.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:57 am

Nice work, dobber, and thanks. That bit of knowledge pops a whole bunch of balloons for me.

Andrew Brandt had a few interesting Twitter posts about the Packers and the Cap. He anticipates a well-thought out plan going forward. We'll see.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:09 am

"He anticipates a well-thought out plan going forward."

I'm fairly certain the Packers pretty much know what they want to do. Some of that will be out of their control, but my guess is that there's a "cap war room" at 1265 on the level of a draft war room where they've mapped out more scenarios than any of us can likely come up with. If not, then Ball and Gutekunst won't be for long in GB.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:15 am

I agree with you dobber. Cory should do his homework before he make the story of non existing issue. No need to pay Allen Lazard for the next season more than tender value.

And if we find some team they will pay the extra money, Packers will get at least additional 2nd round pick! That is more valuable than 10M per year.

Problem solved!

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Leatherhead's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:21 am

Thanks for saying it for me Dobber. Lazard will be back, and he’ll be a bargain, He’ll be with the team for several years yet.

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Bure9620's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:50 am

Correct he is a RFA, no need for him to do the homework now......

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MarkinMadison's picture

February 01, 2022 at 06:50 pm

That's a bingo!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 02, 2022 at 04:00 am

I concur: Lazard is an RFA. In fact, I've mentioned Lazard being an RFA in several articles ("Coping with the Cap" comes to mind) and multiple comments.

OTC predicts a $3.986M cap number for a 2nd round tender ($2.433M for the right of first refusal). I've meandered around on whether Lazard is worth $4M, and/or if they should do a Tonyan and tender the 2nd round and then later restructure it to push cap down the road.

The trade offs aren't this simple but here are some examples if the Packers need to find roughly $4M for Lazard:

Lowry = $4.08M
Turner = $3.36M
Amos = $4.65M.

Extensions can generate the needed space, so there are just a ton of permutations possible. I can say that I would not release Lowry, Turner, or Amos just to retain Lazard. I don't necessarily want to extend those guys either: I mean Turner is 31 years old and I am a little dubious in general about tacking on years when he will be 32 to 35 years old, but I would be on board for extending Amos.

Those kind of choices are the kind that have to be made.

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mrtundra's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:44 am

It's not Lazard's fault that Rodgers rarely threw the ball to anyone but Davante or Jones. Everyone saw how open he and ESB were on that 3rd down play where Rodgers threw, incomplete, to a double covered Davante. There have been many times, this past season where Lazard was wide open, to move the chains, but was overlooked by our QB. He is a good blocking WR, as well. I think he is worth hanging on to.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:47 am

I agree. He was running more TE/slot routes toward the end of the season, and ARod was finding him more regularly to move the chains. Especially if the Packers move on from #12, he's a security blanket that a less prolific or young passer will likely rely on.

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DragonSilk's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:46 am

Seems to me you can't answer the question of which receivers to bring back until you answer the Aaron Rodgers question. He makes it a lot easier to be productive with less talented receivers, making it a good place to ease the cap hit. If he doesn't come back do we really want Jordan Love throwing to a bunch of average or below pass catchers? That could make for an even uglier year than it probably will be.

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Barnacle's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:47 am

Dear Matt LeFleur:

Aaron Rodgers is not good enough to carry a damn good offense, a damn good defense and a crappy special team to the Super Bowl.

We do not have enough Cap to keep everybody. Maybe we should consider using some non-cap money and hire a real ST coordinator.

Your kind heart cost us a playoff game this year. Why do you think it is fine to screw us fans with your stubborn ST management?

If you want my minuscule continued support, find a qualified ST coordinator.

Best regards,
Barnacle

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jurp's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:23 am

One the one hand, Cory, you say that Lazard's value is at $7.7 million, while on the other hand you argue that "receivers can be bought at the Dollar Store." You then say that Lazard "...is a complimentary (sic) receiver, not a true No. 1." and at $7,7 million "the price isn’t right for a position that can be easily replaced."

So, Cory, if any non-elite WR "can be easily replaced", why is Lazard's value calculated so high? Is it because he's one of the best blocking WRs in the league? Is it because he's considered by analysts to be more talented than our QB has recognized? Or maybe it's because your analysis on the importance of a reliable non-number 1 receiver is flawed? You left out that very important piece of your story - WHY was Lazard valued so highly by analysts?

Oh yeah - as noted above, he's a restricted free agent, so this entire article is really not very relevant, is it?

As you may know, I've been a professional writer for a long time and I recognize that coming up with topics for a weekly column can sometimes be extremely difficult, so I'd like to suggest that you find a topic like today's and instead of making it an op-ed, make it fact-based. For an example, look at TGR's truly excellent article on the salary cap implications for this season from late last year. Here's a hint - I gave you a topic idea in this answer.

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stockholder's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:54 am

Lazard works. He's the Keeper. Adams can go. If Gutey is smart; he'll take a WRs first this draft. A 1 and 4 gets you Burks. If he's gone. The next guy is Tolbert. He locates the DEEP throw better then most. (Top 5.) And the 4.3 speed is needed. And one of my favorites is Alec Pierce. There is No waiting with these 3 guys. And Bell is a great kid that would fit. But is slower. I'd take everyone and forget the Defense. But I believe these guys all will be gone before the packers second rd. pick. Isn't that the way it went when they took Love? Taking as many WRs as you can is a Re-Load. It's what Rodgers needed, and this team needs after Rodgers.

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jurp's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:23 am

TT took three WRs in one draft, and two are still on the team, although ESB is probably gone this year. Wolf (I think) took three CBs in one draft and Mike McKenzie became a very good player. Picking multiples at one position is indeed a good strategy, but ignoring the defense completely is a terrible idea. If GB can get a decent ILB and help on the DL, then using those picks on a second or third WR instead is not smart. That would be equivalent to picking a QB over a WR in round one in 2020, perhaps.

As to which WR(s) we should pick, I leave that to the FO to figure out. Plenty of "name" players at any position flame out in the pros - remember, in 2019 Belicheck whiffed on a round 1 WR when he took N'Keal Harry (fewer than 600 yards in three seasons) instead of Deebo Samuel, A J Brown, Mecole Hardman, and DK Metcalfe, all of whom were taken in the 2nd round and all of whom have made the Pro Bowl.

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stockholder's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:32 am

1. ESB was drafted by Gutey. And if read my post correctly. I stated all my picks would be gone by the second pick. Leaving A DL or OLB as their second pick. Because the DL will drop. I like Perrion Winfrey DL. Adams was a second rd.pick. TT took him. Rodgers made him better. It took 3 years. And his improvement was obvious. But hasn't Rodgers really improved his WRs when they gain his trust. Jordy Nelson,and Cobb, were second rd picks too. But TT knew he had to draft them. Has Gutey? No. He's still bargain shopping the position, relying on Rodgers.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 01, 2022 at 06:32 pm

Wr with the One pick...LB/DE @ two...Wr with #3....Safety and LB with the 4s....speed...speed...speed.

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stockholder's picture

February 01, 2022 at 06:58 pm

.speed...speed...speed. Correct. I Had edge Rusher, WR, DL But the talent outside the top 50, says go WR early. Nobody will start at WR, past the top 50 for the Packers. Rodgers called off his wedding jan. 9. Cory is right about Lazards value at 7mil. Tonyan's at 10. And MVS is high too. But the Franchise tag releases all 3.(per Adams) And Cobb won't be playing here @9 mil. So I said just go Wr period.

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packer132's picture

February 01, 2022 at 07:34 pm

It usually is not wise to take a WR in the 1st round unless you draft in the top 15 picks. Packer's pick is #28 unless there is a trade up. It's like taking a RB early. I agree that Lazard should stay though I read where he could be gone as well as MVS. No fans have a clue what the Packers will do, but we can guess. The smart thing to do is take the best player available on their board. We never know who that player is, and could be a WR, DT, OT, LB, CB. You don't draft for need, though usually your need gets filled in the draft. Last year the need was DT, CB, WR, C, and LB. Green Bay drafted: CB, C, WR/return, G, DT, RB/return. All ended up being a need position. Gute is well respected around the league, and very good at his job (despite what you think of him). Look at the roster he built in 3 years, mostly through the draft but also some good free agents. Packers won 13 games, 3 years in a row. What is needed is a way to outcoach and outplay the other team when it matters in the playoffs in a league of parity.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 02, 2022 at 03:43 am

"Gute is well respected around the league, and very good at his job (despite what you think of him). Look at the roster he built in 3 years, mostly through the draft but also some good free agents."

And Gutekunst is now in the position to f*ck up all his good work on draft by extending selfish egoistic Diva - DIva that believe he is smarter than anyone on this earth. I believe many will start to laugh on Gutekunst if he will do that.

That is the consequence...

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Coldworld's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:53 am

Lazard standing in miles of space is an enduring image of our exit. To some extent that’s been a pattern with him and other of our returning receivers this year. That makes it hard to judge him in a classical receiver context. In any case, to do so misses the point.

Lazard’s value to this offense is more than his catching and being a big target willing to contest. He runs a lot of routes designed to help the run game and YAC. He excels as a blocking receiver and bleeds into the move TE sphere, particularly so after Tonyan went down. That included playing almost exclusively as a blocker while injury hampered.

I don’t know where the cost you quote comes from (in terms of the basis of the calculation). I’d say it’s high if based on classical WR metrics and low if another team values what he does. Who knows if one or more does. That too is only part of the picture though.

Next year we return none of our starting 3 as it stands and we don’t return our starting TE either (if he’s even healthy enough to sign pre season). Lazard is a fulcrum for the LaFleur O as we’ve seen it. We don’t have another like him and we are highly unlikely to find a draft pick able and ready to fill that role.

We are likely to have to add young TE talent, a position in which development typically is slow. To not sign Lazard would significantly undermine the offense we’ve seen to date. That we’d even think about balking at making a run at this price is a window into why this fantasy of another year with Rodgers is so knuckleheadded.

If we keep Rodgers we need receivers who run good routes. Look at whose currently signed. We are going to need Lazard and MVS too even if we draft high, with or without Adams. If we don’t have Rodgers, a Lazard type is even more valuable probably.

Either way, we are going to need a number of catchers signed/drafted/resigned. Are we suggesting they are all rookies? How many can we draft at the expense of other positions? How many of those can be expected to contribute significantly as rookies realistically? Or should we look for SFAs and UDFAs, because those are the only likely cheaper sources.

Actually, Lazard is a restricted FA, so there is a flawed assumption underpinning this piece, but it’s one that should make some stop and think hard. This is one illustration of why the idea that we can magically get back under the cap and have a competitive roster is so divorced from reality.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 01, 2022 at 10:00 am

Well stated Coldwell!

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:53 am

Packer Fans kill me... (*Including me...) ; )

How much did we pay Jimmy Graham? He couldn't block or catch TD passes, but Lazard can...

How much is Gas in Green Bay today compared to two years ago?

The cost of doing business is a thing, and I don't begrudge Allen Lazard for making the amount of money GB is willing to pay, no matter what it is.

Serious question: Why do Packer Fans want to low ball everyone? (All the time?)

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Coldworld's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:57 am

Because when many want to try to convince themselves that a gallon can fit into a pint pail, all sorts of strange things seem to them to become logical in the quest to justify the nonsensical.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:46 am

LMAO... Good one Cw...

IDK why we're worrying about a WR who is a RFA when we have a CB and ILBer we have to re-sign no matter what to have a decent defense?

I don't know how much Rasul Douglas will cost, but I love that kid... He should be priority #1. While I hate we drafted KK and also paid him $5 mil this season, that is an error we can correct this off-season.

De'Vondre Campbell was the ILBer we've needed forever, and I for one hope we can find his clone in the draft this year, as well as re-sign him...

Defense wins Championships has been a cliché since football began, but it's true... (Rams/Bengals) Their defenses both stepped up to propel them to the Super Bowl... (You can argue our STs propelled us to the off-season, but AR didn't do us any favors either.)

Besides WRs, TE, (Assuming Gutey will go with Love) the Offense looks in fairly good shape, but we need to keep stocking the defense with talent to help Love as much as possible.

IMO we need 2 WRs, (Even if we bring back Lazard and MVS.) TE, and at least one OL in the draft. (The rest of the picks need to be on the defensive side of the ball.)

*I know, I'm rambling again, but we have a million things to worry about besides a RFA WR... ; )

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PeteK's picture

February 01, 2022 at 10:17 am

Maybe because the others are more obvious. Even though I have a high regard for Lazard.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:58 am

"convince themselves that a gallon can fit into a pint pail,"

Had a colleague who always used to say, "you can't put 10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag."

One of my favorites...

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Fubared's picture

February 01, 2022 at 01:01 pm

LO ball? Its the org that does that. Rizzi the best ST coach in all football who is interviewing for a HC job today, came to GB for interview, and they lo balled him. Saints hired him next day and we got Drayton. This bonehead move to save money came and bit them in the ass this year.
Numberous quality free agents have interviewed and turned us down flat because we lo balled them. That my friend is the GB packers. Rodgers high salary eats up everything.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 01, 2022 at 06:35 pm

Low-ball Russ is their mentor. Their idea of a weekend date is to hang at Garage Sales and haggle.

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kagood's picture

February 01, 2022 at 09:54 am

Wish I could give you ten thumbs up!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 01, 2022 at 10:05 am

Hard decisions coming that are going to be very telling in next 6 weeks (oh, to be a fly on the wall). Regardless of what the GBP front office does half the fan base will be unhappy. I just hope that those Rodger's supporters that get their wish and he is resigned are not constantly complaining about the lack of talent on offense, defense, or ST's....but we all know they will!

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Fubared's picture

February 01, 2022 at 12:56 pm

Packers will have to shuttle a lot of players. I read a brilliant article that from someone who knows cap rules and basically said there is no realistic scenario they can keep Adams. That is a problem because other teams understand that you have to deal and will give you little for him. Certainly no one pick for a 30 year old receiver who wants 30 mil a year.
This team must rebuild the next few years and will lose a lot of talent.
Rodgers has this ultimatum to the Pack they must keep Adams.

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PeteK's picture

February 01, 2022 at 12:35 pm

Lazard is not going anywhere because of his value to this team. He will sign the tender or a 3 year 10-12 mill guaranteed contract with performance bonuses. A more difficult question is MVS, who is not a RFA.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 02, 2022 at 04:23 am

This makes sense. Then I read Rick's comment below:

"If I was Lazard I’d want to go to a team where the QB throws me the ball."

That seems fair, but it also is fair to wonder whether Lazard will want to have a "prove it" year with Love as the QB (hoping to earn a significant contract/money in 2023) or commit to three years with Love as the QB for a modest contract. People who can block usually don't lose that ability, so that component of his value should always be with him.

I see OTC listed Lazard's value in 2021 at $5.33M, which I find interesting because OTC generally is low on the player evaluations.

Pete, your comment still makes sense, but I just tried to get into Lazard's head a little.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 01, 2022 at 10:47 am

Our 2022 roster will include Lazard, an RFA who is a bargain, and Amari Rodgers, who is on a rookie contract. Beyond that, it’s all speculation. It makes sense to me that we replace older, expensive guys like Cobb and Adams with younger guys who can grow with Love. Lazard already has two years with Love and has been been supportive in the press.

I think it is unlikely that we’ll draft a WR in the first round, but this organization has proven it can find very good WRs on the second day of the draft. I also think we could add a WR in a trade, maybe even a guy like Jeudy. I also think we’re going to add a very good TE in the draft.

I don’t know about MVS or EQ. If Lazard, Amari, and the new guy are the Big 3, and if we throw a lot to the RBs and TE, then I’m not sure that they’re worth retaining at much more than the vet minimum. They both have injury history and both are probably at or near their ceiling, but they both are viable options. I’d keep the cheaper, and I think that’ll be EQ.

I think this might be a hard adjustment for people who are used to seeing us line up three high draft picks wide and throw it downfield 40 times, but times have changed and the past is no longer an option.

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Bure9620's picture

February 01, 2022 at 08:41 pm

Agree I expect them to draft a couple receivers and also sign an affordable Vet free agent and/or MVS.. There will be several this off-season and I think the Packers could find a deal.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 01, 2022 at 11:14 am

Hard decisions coming that are going to be very telling in next 6 weeks (oh, to be a fly on the wall). Regardless of what the GBP front office does half the fan base will be unhappy. I just hope that those Rodger's supporters that get their wish and he is resigned are not constantly complaining about the lack of talent on offense, defense, or ST's....but we all know they will!

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Rick5952's picture

February 01, 2022 at 11:55 am

If I was Lazard I’d want to go to a team where the QB throws me the ball.

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Fubared's picture

February 01, 2022 at 12:49 pm

You hit the bullseye. I would no matter who I am not named adams would want to go where the qb knows my name and tosses a few balls my way.
Rodgers has insulted this group by lookind for Adams, and if no Adams throwing the bal away to keep from getting hit.

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HarryHodag's picture

February 01, 2022 at 12:00 pm

There's a very real possibility that Adams could be gone(can the Packers afford even the franchise tag?). MVS could be gone. Lazard could be gone. Cobb could be gone. EQ. St. Brown could be gone. At tight end Robert Tonyan could be gone.

So you go into 2022 with Amari Rodgers, J. Winfree, Rico Gafford, Chris Blair, Malik Taylor, Josh Malone and David Moore. Hardly a set of wide receivers that strike fear into any defensive coordinator's heart.

Lazard has developed into a quality WR at an affordable cost.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

February 01, 2022 at 12:16 pm

OK - there seems to be a near unanimous show of hands to bring Lazzard back - as per the CBA restrictions. So onto the next item of business?

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HarryHodag's picture

February 01, 2022 at 05:20 pm

He's a restricted free agent so some team can make an offer and the Packers have to match it or he's gone. He could accept the Packers lower offer, but fat chance of that. If he leaves and the Packers follow protocol they can get future compensation as in a draft pick.

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Roadrunner23's picture

February 01, 2022 at 12:37 pm

I am reserving any comment on this until I see if Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams are going to stay with the Packers.
Other than that it’s too early to speculate on guys like Lazard who I hope they keep if they can, he just does too much to discard him.

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Fubared's picture

February 01, 2022 at 12:47 pm

All our receivers are free agents this year. Ya that was bright on the packer org. Lazard put on weight and wasnt running away from anyone. I would keep him if the price was right.
St Bonehead sucked at ND and ditto for the packers.
MVS, is okay when he plays which isnt all that often. He too wasnt streaking down the sidelines running away from anyone and still drops every other pass.
Cobb was okay when Rodgers used him. Mostly he played decoy to get Adams open.
Adams lost a step this year. Ran away from no one and had to do some crafty moves to get open, thus he was covered pretty good.
His runing for 15 and turning only works so well.
Lazard stays Cobb stays the rest all go or take lo ball offers to stay.
Adams is gone.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2022 at 01:02 pm

"All our receivers are free agents this year."

No they're not.

"Lazard put on weight and wasnt running away from anyone."

Somehow you think every Packers player has been hanging out at Dunkin' Donuts...and I can tell you that's not true because I do and I never see them there.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 02, 2022 at 04:29 am

2125 Main Street, Green Bay.

Googling, there are Dunkin' Donuts shops in DePere and Howard as well. It's hard to surveil all of them but keep up the good fight!

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dobber's picture

February 03, 2022 at 07:53 am

"It's hard to surveil all of them but keep up the good fight!"

Challenge...accepted!!

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Fubared's picture

February 01, 2022 at 01:07 pm

Packers are 50 mil over cap now. If they tag Adams, that will add 22.2 mil to that amount. Now your in bigger trouble, you have to get rid of 72.2 mil by March 16th no matter what. 1/3 of the team, mostly your best players not named rodgers and gary, are free agents, and the draft the rookies, new hires will want contracts too.
Think about how the heck do you possible pull this off without losing a lot of players. You cannot appease diva boy by keeping adams and getting rid of everyone else.
Getting rid of Rodgers and Adams may be the smartest but hardest move but the only move. Its a mess. A dumpster fire for sure. and were talking Lazard? Hell 1/3 of the team could be shopping for luggage along with him.

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Bear's picture

February 01, 2022 at 04:02 pm

Ima, do you spout disinformation on purpose or just don’t research the true numbers because if it’s on the internet it must be true…

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Evodriver06MR's picture

February 01, 2022 at 04:45 pm

Allen Lazard is a restricted FA. So his market calculation is irrelevant. Packers are likely to tender him the RFA offer.

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greengold's picture

February 02, 2022 at 02:47 am

Allen Lazard is awesome. One of our toughest WRs on the Packers, and the best blocker in the group. We need more toughness, not less. He’s elevating his game, young, and will prove to be worth every penny in $4-5M range.

I just want to see some real, smart football that makes sense on O in Green Bay again. Love to Lazard will be a big part of our post trade progression.

Coldworld, I felt same. Lazard wide open, but…

Time to move on from the choker who ignored the often WIDE OPEN Lazard in yet another of his last 9 freak out eliminations. Keep the tough, reliable talents like Lazard.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 02, 2022 at 03:33 pm

Agreed!

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