I want someone smarter then me to tell me how the entire operation is. Snap to Hold to Kick.

I really think they need to look at the entire process not just the kicker. If they go through this many kickers and they are all having consistency issues, maybe its not just the kickers they are bringing in. Especially when we just see that Joseph just went 5 for 5, and when he was in GB he struggled.

Last year the long snapper was horrible and they brought him back. While I feel like the snaps are better compared to last year, I do see Whelan constantly having to catch the ball at his body and reach over and place it. I didn't see all of them, but I was watching the Ravens and their snaps were basically right where the ball was being placed, so the holder literally had to just put the ball straight down.

So if the timing is off, if the hold placement is off, I do believe that it could severely impact the kickers.

So if someone smarter then me can tell me that the operation is perfect and the kicker is at fault I will go with it.

Also, by this I'm not saying the kicker is not at fault and has no blame. I am just trying to figure out what is going on.

Gute had time to fix this. He didn't.
He's got money, and Trade-able draft picks.

The best option now;
is to "trade" for a Kicker before/at the deadline.

Now I agree that if you look at the final score and you add in even one of those misses you would say that we would have won the game. No that is the simple way to look at it. If the Packers would have made one or both of those misses it would have changed how the game was played. So you cannot say that the Packers would have won if they made one of those FGs.

There is enough blame to go around in that game. The Packers did everything to lose the game and they did.

Everyone knows that there are games all season long won and lost by the kicking game. I think even more so in the post season. It being the offense or the defense's fault that it might come down to that is moot. Those kicks have to be made, especially kicks under 50 yards. 50 + is up to the coach to decide the risks.

Like RCP above, we've had nothing but trouble through the whole process. If it wasn't for the holder doing a fantastic job it would be much worse (if that's possible) and like RCP above asks, what does that do to the timing and what are they doing to teach the kicker that the timing is never going to be perfect especially when the weather gets bad?

If we could just get the kid into extra point range every time, it's a lock. He just can't miss. He literally never has. ;)

Riley Patterson: 88% FG% 96% extra pt % for his career. He's available. Go get him right now GB. What are they waiting for? This Narveson dude is gutter trash.

any field goal at 40 yards or less in good weather or a dome should be automatic these days , other kickers are making 60 yarders or close to it , Lefluer said yesterday he trusts his guy . So that means he’s not making any changes .

While all the experts hyper-focus on the quarterback, few of the experts look at a key component of the offense: the kicker. The kicker provides points and field position. To play fast and loose with the kicker, as the Packers have done since moving on from Crosby, has cost the Packers dearly.

Let me remind the faithful that if Narveson makes just one of the two missed field goals the Packers beat the Vikings. I don't care how lousy the team appeared, they were one field goal away from winning. The dopes at NFL Live said the game wasn't as close as the score, ignoring the two missed field goals which would have won the game for Green Bay. Two kicks.

As a footnote: Greg Joseph kicked five field goals and provided all the points for the Giants in a loss last weekend. He was in the entire Packers training camp. The Vikings acquired the best kicker in the draft in Will Reichard in the sixth round.

The love affair the Packers staff has with Narveson is really curious. I don't care how good he MIGHT be, he has to produce NOW. The Eagles game and certainly the Vikings game stacked up as losses.

Kicking is the same whether it's in high school, college or the pros. Snap, placement, kick. Another footnote: why did the Packers opt to have that lame onside kick with the punter instead of one of the bouncy shots with a kicker where the ball is up for grabs? No faith in Narveson?

The personnel department(a.k.a. Gute) better wake up and put a priority on finding someone to replace Narveson. Alex Hale is on the practice squad and knows the system. It's worth a shot as it really couldn't be any worse.
If this keeps up we'll yearn for the good old days of Anders Carlson.

Maybe it's time to look into replacing Rich Bisaccia. There had been a growing groundswell of people who wanted to bring in a special teams coach to improve that part of the Packers after years of poor play. When Bisaccia came in, I thought the problem would be solved. But except for one very good season from Nixon, this hasn't been true. The ST's have continued to be bad. So, apparently the problem isn't the coach, it's the players? Whatever is going on, someone needs to take a close look at this continuing embarrassment and make this an area that is ranked in the top twenty in the league.

Recent history tells us patience paid off with Mason Crosby. LaFleur has given Brayden a public vote of confidence. Recent history also tells us LaFleur stood by several members of his coaching staff well after it was in the team's best interest to do so.

The right answer might be "this one doesn't work, get a new one." The right answer might also be "this one needs a tune-up and it will last a long time if you take care of it." A kicker capable of splitting the uprights on field goal attempts would be such a welcome relief. Like RC said, there are a lot of moving parts.

They should start here:
wikihow.com › Kick-a-Field-Goal

How to Kick a Field Goal: 12 Steps (with Pictures) - wikiHow

Food for thought about snapper, holder, etc. why does Joseph seem much better in ny ?? Also couple thoughts I believe 44 was on injury report late this week ( right foot soreness?) maybe Carlson was not that bad? But no one picked him up yet. Is Alex hail ( on our p squad) worth a look ? Now the big question would gb even consider McManus ? Given the accusations against him ? Even if the courts dropped the charges against him ? Would he have enough character for gb ? Would that matter? If he can kick ? Just my thoughts

People miss field goals. I know that we sit at home and say we should make them all, but it doesn't happen.

Ah, here we are with the same kicking problems—just what everyone wants to talk about! Let me tell you, there's something hilariously tragic about a team that can pay millions to a guy to throw a ball 60 yards but can’t find a dude who can kick it 37. It’s like trying to build a skyscraper and forgetting to hire someone to screw in the lightbulbs.

Here’s what we need to do: either find someone who can kick reliably or just abolish the whole kicking game altogether. Get rid of it! What’s the point? It’s like having a clown at a funeral—nobody’s enjoying it, and it just makes everyone uncomfortable. Either you get a guy out there who can consistently kick the ball between those two big yellow posts—which, by the way, is the *entire job description*—or just go for two every time, punt from the 10-yard line, whatever you gotta do. But stop with the guy who shanks it wide left like he's got a vendetta against the scoreboard.

And don’t get me started on keeping Narveson around. This guy’s kicking like he’s aiming for a different field altogether. At this rate, they should just get Mason Crosby out of retirement—wheel him out there with a walker and see if he’s still got it. At least then, when he misses, you can say, “Well, he’s 97 years old, what did you expect?” But with Narveson, there’s no excuse. It’s like hiring a bus driver who can’t turn left—completely useless.

So, we need to make a decision. Either find a kicker who doesn’t make every field goal attempt look like a prayer, or just get rid of the damn position altogether. I’m tired of watching grown men celebrate a made kick like they just solved world hunger. It’s three points, folks, it’s not the moon landing.

Many of you wanted Anders gone. You finally got your wish and now the new K is worse. There's no easy answer to this problem, except go for it every time.

The problem is that if they played Willis and lost we'd be reading an article about how Love needs to earn his big contract and needs to learn how to play through minor injuries like Favre and Rodgers. Can't please you guys.

What's concerning to me is it looks like MLF may have made two decisions...the onside kick and going for it on 4th and 10 when in reasonable FG range...because they weren't comfortable with Narveson handling those responsibilities. If that's true, and their lack of confidence in their kicker is causing them to resort to low percentage options, then that is indeed a problem.

After so many swings and misses at kicker recently, as has been stated on here already, is it the kicker(s) fault? The three constants here are that all these different kickers are kicking with the same LS, the same holder, under the same coach and they all struggled. We know our LS was a concern going back a couple years now. Perhaps we should be shopping for a new LS? I mean, it's like we're all hating on the waitress when the chef cooked the food. Is it the cooking, or did the waitress let our food sit too long before bringing it to us? Maybe the owner of the diner (the coach) isn't training the staff properly and paying attention to quality issues and making changes? I wish we all knew for certain where the fail point of these FG's actually is.

The Coach, Bisaccia, is responsible for personnel choice and results.
The NFL is supposed to be a results-driven league. Results show a sub-par product under Bisaccia. History also tells us that Matt/Gute/whomever will not address the root cause (Bisaccia) until they get smacked around 10 more times and endure one-too-many booing crowds. My guess: Bisacccia will remain 1-2 more years.

It took an 'Act of Congress' to uproot Barry.

I've come to believe there is a knack to kicking field goals. It is a precision process between long snapper, holder & kicker. However, no one is mentioning the coach. Who is Narveson's coach? Rich Basaccia? If yes, has Basaccia been the coach of "all the kickers" the Packers have been rotating through the past two years? If yes, he definitely "has not" been doing a kick-ass job.

Might we need a specialist to come in and work with our kickers. A few hours & days "inside Lambeau" on the playing field with a specialist named...say...Crosby, might work wonders.

Why does Love have a top Quarterback's coach working with him and not our kickers.

How much is Basaccia getting paid?

It's not the coach, it's not the players, it's the nature of the beast. These guys are on the field for a few plays that have an out-of-proportion impact on the game. I think you should reduce the impact by giving fewer opportunities to them.

I myself wonder if Narveson looked like an attractive option because he hit a 59 yarder in the preseason? Maybe GB was impressed with that versus consistency? Maybe they were enamored with distance vs good old, plain consistency?

Please give us consistency, IMHO! Also, shouldn't the snapper and holder be evaluated as well? They are the only constants in the kicker merry-go-round this season. Frankly, I have lost confidence in Coach RichBs ability to evaluate and improve our STs. Maybe we need a kicking consultant to come in to train/advise?

so he's young and still has time to figure it out. let him do it somewhere else. the packer's last 3 losses, including the playoff against the niners, are entirely or at least half the fault of our kickers. I watch kickers all over the league routinely knocking down 56 yarders like it's nothing. Joseph, who the pack released, made all 5 of his kicks last Thursday night. lafleur like's narveson's "make up"? wtf? he can't handle the pressure. that's not going to change. time to move on.

Got to get rid of nervous Narvy!