Cory's Corner: The Packers Cannot Blink

The Packers have addressed the QB1 situation; now they cannot live in fear. 

The Green Bay Packers mandatory minicamp starts today and it doesn't look like Aaron Rodgers is going to be there. 

Don’t be surprised, not even for an instant. Wasn’t that expected? Rodgers has dug his feet in and even former Packers quarterback Brett Favre has described how strong his stubbornness is. 

But that eerie feeling is happening with the Packers as well. “The situation we face with Aaron Rodgers has divided our fan base,” wrote Packers president Mark Murphy in a column on Packers.com. “The emails and letters that I’ve received reflect this fact. As I wrote here last month, we remain committed to resolving things with Aaron and want him to be our quarterback in 2021 and beyond. We are working to resolve the situation and realize that the less both sides say publicly, the better.”

This is a family squabble that doesn’t appear to have an end in sight. The rumors about the Denver Broncos do not go away and unfortunately, it makes some sense because his fiance Shailene Woodley is from the Denver area and the Broncos have been rumored to offer up two starters and as many as four draft picks. 

But even as bleak as that may seem, I still don’t see Rodgers playing anywhere else this season. And I sincerely stress this season. The Packers have all the leverage right now. They have Rodgers under contract until 2023. Rodgers can complain that he wants more autonomy and more of a voice, but that isn’t going to behoove the Packers to trade him. Let’s not forget that Rodgers is the best passer I’ve ever seen and is a first ballot Hall of Famer. 

If the Packers do trade Rodgers, are you willing to wait another four years before the Packers win a championship? The Packers have been a whisper away from the Super Bowl the last two seasons. This team is one or two people away. 

And don’t start thinking that if the Packers trade Rodgers to Denver, it would mimic the Herschel Walker trade that allowed the Cowboys to lay the groundwork for three Super Bowl titles in four years. First of all, Rodgers is a lot more important to an offense than a running back and Dallas batted 1.000 on its first round picks in 1988 (Michael Irvin), 1989 (Troy Aikman) and 1990 (Emmitt Smith). Now, general manager Brian Gutekunst has been good in the draft, but I’m not sure he can be flawless.

Which is why the Packers should go out and add one or two guys. For all of the people that cannot stand Tom Brady, the reason we are at this point is because Brady left New England so he could go to a place that gave him a voice. (It also didn’t hurt that Tampa’s offensive line and defensive line were amazing and he had excellent pass catchers.)

The silver lining in all of this is that Packers receivers will be in Green Bay. The top five pass catchers didn’t show up for the voluntary organized team activities and now the receivers will show up. So what looked like a show of solidarity for Rodgers has simply turned out to be a voluntary no-show. 

Gutekunst cannot blink right now. The rumors are going to be running rampant — especially with Rodgers not showing up in Green Bay. It’s not worth a trade because you’re not going to get full market value and the Packers don’t need picks, they need starters to help this team right now. Especially for a team that may start Blake Bortles depending on how well Jordan Love develops. 

Has this been a distraction? Sure. Should the Packers bend to national pressure and trade the best quarterback the organization has ever had? That is one thing that every general manager doesn’t want on his resume. 

The Packers can fix this. Do they have to bend Rodgers’ every whim? Nope. All they have to do is give a heads up on potential team moves. And then add someone like defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins or up and coming outside linebacker Harold Landry.

Those moves would tell Rodgers that the Packers are serious about winning now. You cannot trade Rodgers because you cannot win it all right away without him. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:36 am

“If the Packers do trade Rodgers, are you willing to wait another four years before the Packers win a championship?“ Just one of many wild assumptions made here, Cory. Wild. You are out of your ever loving mind.

These are such bad takes, I’ll bet you’re lactose intolerant. No cheese for you!

Sincerely,

Pot

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:36 am

:-D I did a double-take on that line too, GG! You hardly know where to begin with commenting on it!

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Spock's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:38 am

Not to mention Cory starting with a double negative line, "... it doesn’t look like Aaron Rodgers isn’t going to be there." Semantically that means it DOES look like Rodgers WILL be there. Then Cory goes on to say that was expected. Hilarious.

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PatrickGB's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:11 am

Maybe yes, maybe no.

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Harold Drake's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:44 am

Dear GG,

If the Packers trade Rodgers, the team will sink into mediocrity. Cory's assumption is bang on.

Best regards,

H.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:55 am

WRONG!

Carry the G, Harold. Always carry the G...

Best wishes to you, too!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:40 am

Well stated GreenGold!

The Packers were here long before Rodger's and will be long after. With only one SB victory under Rodger's belt in 16 years he will just be a footnote in the history of the Packers.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:48 am

I find the number of down votes for the notion that the Packers will still be here after Rodgers illustrative of where some loyalties or adherence really sit.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:03 am

No one is arguing the Packers won't be here. But to say that Rodgers will just be a "footnote" in the history of GB is ridiculous. Talent-wise, he may be the best QB this league has ever seen. He can do things with the football that no one else has done, including the ring toting GOAT. If GB let's Rodgers go now, Gutekunst will forever be known as the guy who lost the best QB Green Bay ever had; one that proclaimed many times he wanted to finish his career in GB, and one that has the best career rating of any QB ever to play the game. To call that a "footnote" is just ignoring the reality that GB may sink back into obscurity unless the new QB is a top 5-10 guy in the league. What are the chances? No way to tell.

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June 08, 2021 at 01:11 pm

but he can't win the NFC Championship game. He had all the weapons needed last year and still blew it. He went to Adams when he was double covered. There were other open receivers, but he refused to look their way. Let the crybaby Diva queen sit the year out. It will save the Packers money

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June 08, 2021 at 05:02 pm

Rodgers doesn't rise to the challenge is those games and scenarios. He so NEVER takes responsibility.....uts getting to be a tired act

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

June 08, 2021 at 05:23 pm

If you want to blame the NFC Championship losses entirely on #12 that is patently unfair. Most year's he's kept them right in the mix and the defense has lost leads he's given them. TB was a very talented and very well coached team that knew how to exploit GB's weaknesses and still GB almost pulled it off. I can't argue that Rodgers has not lifted the team at times deep in the playoffs, but they wouldn't be anywhere near an NFC Championship game without him.

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June 08, 2021 at 05:50 pm

Talk about patently unfair!

None of the final four teams would have gotten to their CHAMPIONSHIP games without their QBs. None of those QBs would have gotten there with out a strong supporting cast. Please stop giving Rodgers such passes! That was not his best game as we all know.

The "O" line for both the Packers and the Chiefs were decimated. Let's face it the Buc's are good but they were also very lucky. A lot of things fell their way.

There were a number of reasons why the Packers lost that game. It's time to move on

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June 08, 2021 at 05:00 pm

You are correct, to a degree, WestCoast! He is very talented and can do things with the football that others can’t. But one thing he struggles with is winning the big game. All that talent and one Super Bowl. The blame can be spread around his supporting cast and the front office, but the bottom line is he struggles in the NFCC games. We will see what the future holds.

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June 08, 2021 at 07:14 pm

Greatest QB of all time? Regular season maybe, not Super Bowl or Championship games. Gute will be known for showing the deva the door. Time will tell if that is good or bad.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:14 am

Oh, Dude!!! Believe me... I'm sometimes dumbfounded how one thing that I say can register 4 automatic down votes... within minutes. If it involves Aaron Rodgers, or his fiancée, forget it.

I don't really care about them, but... yeah, it is a measure of a kind...

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HDbikerguy's picture

June 08, 2021 at 12:05 pm

You can't possibly know what this team would look like in the next 4-5 years if they trade Rodgers.... between extra first round picks and possibly players.....

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davidedwards637's picture

June 08, 2021 at 05:05 pm

Not sure if I agree HeroldDrake. The Pack is full of talent. The future is bright with or without Rogers. I am excited to see Love run the team.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 08, 2021 at 05:53 pm

Yeah, I remember the same sentiments by Favre Acolytes.

The Lions and Vikings and Bears. Six of our 17 games . If we win five or six we’ll win the division and make the playoffs.. I think we can put a pretty good team on the field without Rodgers. Players come and go but the organization puts consistent winners on the field. Nobody thought Favre or Rodgers was a HOFer at the start of their second season, or even solid starter material.

On the basis of our line and our skill position players, even a mediocre QB should be able to move the ball and score points. We’re certainly competitive without Rodgers.

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June 09, 2021 at 01:32 am

Reggie White thought Favre would be really good. White signed with GB in 1993, which corresponds to Favre's 2nd season in GB.

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Razer's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:50 am

It helps to suspend disbelief when taking one of Corey's wild rides. His heart is in the right place.

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:21 am

...and right now, anything that has the ARod/Packers tiff at it's center will deliver 100+ comments.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:31 am

It's all about engagements, Baby!!!

Double entendre alert.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:30 am

How long have we waited with him? It’s hardly a given and this year is looking like the peak with cap even without him possibly wanting more more of the cap, if that rumor is true.

Rodgers this year gives us our best shot, after that age and cap realities both pull in the opposite direction. If all years to be here and leading, this would seem to have been it. Even then it’s no given. Reading Packers blogs you’d think Packers plus Rodgers is odds on Super Bowls for 3 to 5 years.

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CoachDino's picture

June 09, 2021 at 02:12 am

GG, I Love your all in on Love. Man I hope your right. Ya 4 years seems a bit long but unlike my guy, I don't see a real SB run for at least 3 years. Couple reasons

1) Love vs AR isn't even close. I'm using AR himself and his development timeline. He didn't even see the field much at all his 2nd and 3rd year I can't expect much of Love yet. 9-8 would be a success in my eyes in 2021. Not fair to compare him to an outlier Mahomes.

2) This one could go either way. Cap space. The packers are so far over already for 2022 that even w/o Rodgers it might be tough to fit in JA and DA - which Im sure they will. But at what cost? I'm not taking the time to dive that deep.

But having the BEST offense makes having a good defense acceptable. What type of Defense will they need with Love at QB? What is the pathway to that? Draft/FA/Development/Trade - - I'm encouraged about the D and the ability to get better if they have more resources through the trade (be it cap space, players or draft picks)

4 years isn't so crazy, I'm hoping for 3. The good news? we already have a QB to at least give us a shot w/o having to lose 13-15 games in a season or spend 2 1st rd draft picks plus. Here's one for you? if the Packers play Love this season and go 7-10 would you draft a QB in the first RD? LOL - Seriously - Even spend some draft capital to move up. To be honest, if it was the best value on the board, I'd do it. For all the same reasons it made sense last year and more.

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greengold's picture

June 09, 2021 at 03:56 am

Hey Dino, I’m thinking this really isn’t that much of a stretch.

I saw what Love did in 2018, and feel that is most representative of the player we have, and believe that will readily translate to the NFL, leading the Packers successfully, especially with talent around him.

He was one of the most accurate passers in college football that season. Projecting out with him keeping that accuracy in mind, along with his arm strength, along with his being guided by Matt LaFleur, I see not only good, but great things ahead for both Love and the Packers.

Let’s not forget, the Packers went all in on taking JL. They researched him well, had multiple interviews with him, knew exactly what they were buying.

Were they oblivious to AR and how he might take this? No.

Regardless, the key to success in this situation is Matt LaFleur. He’s already guided two QBs to MVP seasons. I think he’s going to be able to see Jordan Love through this season successfully, with few problems, and anything that comes of that should be considered playing with house money.

Playoffs? Absolutely. Even if AR just sits out this year. I have that much confidence in Love, and even more in LaFleur.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:33 am

Here's how I'm dealing with the Rodgers angst: I treat it like he has had a season-ending injury. (Dang that Napali Trail mud!) Suddenly, the situation becomes, "Hey, I wonder how far we can go without him? We have a pretty great-looking roster..."

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:32 am

Pack. Eyed. Optimist.

I like it a lot.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:44 am

If Rodgers won’t play, whether it’s his fault ultimately, The FOs or both, the Packers will go on and I will be rooting for them regardless of whether it’s Love, Bortles or someone I’ve never heard of at QB.

The sad fact is that with or without this, Rodgers career is in its final years. The sadder fact is that it didn’t need to be this year. Losing in the playoffs or losing seasons? Ultimately both are futile.

Back when TT left, I never imagined we’d have a roster that a 38 year old QB could win a Super Bowl with. Now we have one it seems that QB objects to something unspecified about the manner of its assembly ( if that’s really it). Just seems like the most ridiculous position.

I’m sorry, normally I’d see non attendance at mini camp as simply undesirable. In this case I see it as a sign of a man whose priorities aren’t on winning in the one year I think he has his last best chance. The team is there, he’s paid handsomely ... just get out and play. In such circumstances leadership might give that slight edge. I’d argue that’s what Brady really gave Tampa. Contrast what he and Rodgers are doing ... and Brady just won it last year.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:07 am

Coldworld, this is where it might help to remove yourself, the Packer fan, my friend, and look at EXACTLY what has been said, and what has been done.

Aaron simply doesn't want to play in Green Bay anymore. It is that simple. It's been 16 years. He's got other priorities with having asked a woman to marry him, and his desires to start a new family.

I think that is all this is.

Not about how well we are set up in Green Bay, or how much money we are willing to throw at him...

You look at Denver, they are stacked with talent on D, enough to be able to send some key players in exchange for Rodgers, and still be loaded. Losing 3 or 4 players from their D is really nothing to them. They have that much talent. They have the cap space. They have the picks. They have the gunslinger, John Elway, calling the shots.

I've been listening to some Broncos podcasts and reading some of their blog posts to try and get the lay of the land there. They are wondering where Ronald Darby is going to be lining up as a 4th CB...

The fan in me says, "Hell yeah, this is hard to believe!!!" Just like yourself, and everybody else here.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:31 am

Rodgers hasn’t said anything. He never does. He likes to make opaque comments and feed general themes through contacts. You may be right. A plausible interpretation could be that this is just a horribly botched attempt to sever the ties for personal al reasons. The problem is that there are many plausible reasons becase it’s all rumor, on his end particularly.

So I look at what we can see, the chances of winning and what it will take and the consequences of events to date. And I look at those from the perspective of a person who was here before Rodgers and plans to be here after and knew that day would come and that we’d be backing some new QB and team at some point.

As a result if Rodgers’ position (whatever the cause) I believe that he and we miss our best chance at winning this year and that Love will be forced into action too early in a way that I think would have seriously impaired Rodgers career. I don’t like it, but I sure as anything am not going to pander to the man who created it.

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June 08, 2021 at 10:31 am

Perfect, Coldworld.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:35 am

Yeah, we're coming from the same place, overall.

We do differ on a couple of points.

I think he did communicate that, through his cryptic MO, using an intermediary. I believe that to be true because he has had ample opportunities to declare those statements inaccurate, and he has chosen not to do so in every case.

I also think Jordan Love may actually be a better QB to run our offense, given that he is taking his cues from Matt LaFleur, and he's not going to be making decisions during any game that are contrary to his wishes.

Let's run the fucking football. That's what I say. Is there anybody here who thinks our OL won't enjoy the hell outta that?

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PatrickGB's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:21 am

I do think that this offense can function well without what’s his name at QB. Matt set it up like that. The Niners did it with Jimmy G.

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 03:11 pm

I think his most recent actual comment on this was "anything is on the table."

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

June 08, 2021 at 05:51 pm

First, John Elway is not the GM anymore. He no longer controls roster decisions per announcements made when he stepped down. And DEN ranked 25th in defense last season. Are they going to be that much better, given that they'll have to give up some talent in order to trade for #12? I don't see Aaron going anywhere that gives him a better chance to thrive than GB. Not sure what makes you think DEN is going to be that much better than GB.

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Swisch's picture

June 08, 2021 at 12:24 pm

Lots of good stuff in your comment, Coldworld.
If Rodgers comes back tomorrow, but there's still the same unsettling situation of his discontent, or if the front office caves in, will he be able to be the leader the Packers need for a championship?
This isn't fantasy football. It's players as persons needing to go beyond individual statistics to go all the way to the title as a team.

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fish's picture

June 08, 2021 at 03:19 pm

ButtHurtitis is the injury. Recovery time varies.

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Oppy's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:58 pm

Not with rodgers- it’s a chronic condition once it has set in.

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stockholder's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:40 am

Blink? They turned their heads with nose up. It's so obvious; they want his salary gone. Off their Books. And they have to keep showing their intent, to stop a unfair practice suit. How timely was that Overwhelming vote of confidence for Gute? That was a insult to Rodger's intelligence. Let alone Murphy coming out of the wood work; to say Rodgers has split Packer Nation. When the truth is their actions to go all in said it all. It will take at least 5 years again, to go to a super-bowl. The window on all veterans just got shut. Murphy has prospered more then any CEO in packer history with the splits. So throw your knife at Murphy's feet. Rodgers has done all the work to win. Not the FO. Gute has made more then his share of mistakes. So don't beat Murphy's drum that he's the best GM since Lombardi. They don't want Rodgers back; regardless what lies you've been told. Rodgers has constantly made that point. ( He wasn't sure.) So get off the FO bandwagon and come back down to earth. The split would never had happened if they didn't want it too.

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Savage57's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:54 am

"The Packers have been a whisper away from the Super Bowl the last two seasons. This team is one or two people away. "

Ever consider that maybe one of those people they're a whisper away from a Super Bowl is the starting QB? Rodgers has had five cuts at it, and came up short in four of them. Maybe a good QB, a dominant run game, a kick-butt OL and a fire-breathing, meat eating defense is a more effective approach than a QB who tends to play small when the games are biggest.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:57 am

If we were a whisper away versus the 49ers then a speaking voice could blow ear drums all the way from the West Coast.

Last year was closer, but I believe we were equally thoroughly out prepared and outcoached and the worst games were had by sone of our best players. Yes Pettine is gone, but LaFleur is still learning. One hopes he will take that step this year. Last year he most certainly got whipped twice by the same coach for the second year running.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:22 am

I wonder about that, Coldworld. The "outcoached," part. If the coach calls for something to be run, and the QB won't run it...

Makes me think this might be a big part of the reason we drafted Jordan Love in the first place.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:33 am

I chose not to go there because I really don’t know if that was the case as it was apparently at times in the prior year. My reason was that LaFleur still got it handed to him regardless.

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June 08, 2021 at 11:03 am

Coldworld, We were out prepared before the game, then we were outplayed on the field. Most importantly the Bucs player with a higher level of intensity and a higher sense of urgency. We never played with a lead and our OL had no answer for the Bucs pass rush. Equally our defense never produced a consistent pass rush or any pressure on Brady.

All of those are signs of poor preparation and lack of intensity especially at the LOS. Then we had numerous poor coaching decisions within the game itself. The Bucs defensive coordinator Todd Bowles had a great game plan whereas the Packers had Pettine and King. Imagine if Bowles had been our DC for even a few seasons during the Rodgers era. But we've had Capers and Pettine.

Poor preparation and poor coaching decisions result in poor execution which is what we witnessed in both games against the Bucs. Losing A. Jones early in the 2nd half didn't help and probably contributed to lack of run plays called during the second half. Bottom is that if you give a defense like the Bucs 31 points they are not likely to give the game away by playing soft as the Packers defense has done for 10 years under Capers and Pettine.

No excuses. Failure from the HC, coaching staff and the players.

In another world 26 would be more than 31 and we would have defeated the Bucs and won the SB. If we didn't win it was because the other side cheated and stole the game from us. Every one knows it. The packers will be given the Lombardi trophy in August. LOL.

Thanks, Since '61

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June 08, 2021 at 12:22 pm

I look at the nine plays that killed us.

The two turnovers.
The 0-6 in goal to go.
King’s Fail.

If One of those plays has a better result, we win.

We aren’t a player or two away, we’re one PLAY away. I’m not sure how much of that is coaching.

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Since'61's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:11 pm

One turnover should have been a penalty on the Bucs defense. What was bad in that sequence was the dropped pick by Redmond. That was a gift from Brady but I would agree not on coaching.

The 0-6 in goal to go is on lack of preparation and poor execution. Missing Jones late in the game hurt us in that situation as well. The team had trouble in short yardage and goal to goal all season. That's on coaching and preparation. Our OL lost the LOS which also contributed to the 0-6.

King's fail to me is on coaching because King was beaten deep early in the game for a TD. An adjustment should have been made to provide Safety help for King deep.

We need to get past those one or two plays on both sides of the ball. Thanks, Since '61

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June 09, 2021 at 11:29 am

I’m going to add the Redmond non-pick and now we have the Big Ten . If we do better on even ONE play, we’re in the SuperBowl

“Most football games are not won, they are lost.” Anonymous Old Coach. I can’t even recall when I heard it first, but it’s true.

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June 08, 2021 at 12:11 pm

After the Seattle disaster the collective brain trust needed a renovation. Now, it is too late and low-Ball has leverage to squat a few more years. Their game plan was to play monopoly to fill four voids in 2019 to cover for the Ted whiffs and double down on a weak Norris Division to get into the playoff lottery. The no shows from Gutedkunst's drafts ruined the depth chart and resources were moved away from the D line and WR. The UDFAs were starting as CBs. The areas exploited by the T -Bucs and 49rs. It only takes a couple of players with an average skill set to Not make a couple of plays when needed and you are out of the dance party; out of the Big Game.

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June 08, 2021 at 03:02 pm

Spot on, jb. Really well done!

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Oppy's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:59 pm

Unfair practice suit?

Blahahahahahaha

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Harold Drake's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:41 am

The Packers would be foolish to trade Rodgers. Rodgers would be foolish not to play for the Packers should the team agree to give him another $60 million in guaranteed money to ensure that he plays at least another two years with the team without danger of being released. But it seems logical to conclude that Rodgers would be willing to forgive the insanity of the Love pick (we can agree to disagree on this point) and the failure to inform him (of their fail safe replacement strategy in the event of Rodgers having a bad season) of their intention of picking his successor in the first round of the draft instead of a WR or another player who could help the Packers sooner rather than in three or four years.

The Pack needs to pay Rodgers. He expressed his wish to remain with the team and dedicate himself to winning another Super Bowl. His reward for such commitment was Gutekunst's decision to draft his replacement instead of a win-now impact player. Given Rodgers' prickly nature and ultra-sensitivity to the slightest slight, it is incredible that the Pack drafted Love. This is why the Packers are now facing the terrible uncertainty of not having the NFL MVP and one of the top five QBs in league history willing to commit to playing for the team any longer. Gutekunst's collossal failure of judgment is equivalent to an extinction level event in the sense that GB's likelihood of being able to contend for a Super Bowl in the next several years without Rodgers at the helm is virtually zero.

Time for Gute and the Pack to pay Rodgers for their mistake and get on with the business of winning a Super Bowl. Go Pack Go!

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:28 am

Harold, respectfully, the Packers have paid, and paid, and paid, and paid... they offered him $40M and he turned it down.

It is ENTIRELY CREDIBLE the Packers chose Jordan Love. I’m glad they did, because he gives us a chance to win it all, guided by Matt LaFleur.

I’m sorry, but JL is a far better QB than people give him credit for. Have you thought for one second that the Packers might be better with Love at QB1? The team might actually be better with Love leading the way. No one knows...

I have zero fear with the Packers making this transition now, and it really looks like they have no alternative.

You do not give up the entire organization for one player who has failed in his last 8 postseason attempts over ten years to lead the Packers into the Super Bowl for a chance to win it.

There are currently 89 other players on this team. Aaron Rodgers is angry? ESPN just said that. Is he? Maybe he just doesn’t want to play in GB. He’s dug in and he is NOT changing his mind.

What then? The rest of the team has to fold? Oh, hell no, my friend.

Moving on.

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June 08, 2021 at 08:02 am

Spot on!

Love is a far better QB than most give him credit for. I am confidant in his talent and abilities. Have zero reservations he is going to be an amazing talent. Believe Rodgers knows this as well.

As an ex-athlete myself you knew within minutes of playing whether another player 'had it,' or not. You just know! Rodger's knows and why the drama!

All JL needs (as Rodgers needs) is a talented supporting cast. Everyone seems to think Rodger's is the key to winning a SB. The main reason the Packers won the SB in 2010 was because of our defense. We have not had a defense like 2010 since. Fleece Denver (Jeudy & Fant on offense, and Chubb & Surtain, or any combination) with a minimum of 1st and 2nd round picks in 2022. Build the team immediately guaranteeing immediate success. Love will flourish and I'm comfortable with Bortles at backup.

What no one has discussed here at CHTV is if the Packers succumbs to Rodger's guaranteeing him 2 or 3 years as starter is you have now pissed off JL meaning he likely will not sign once his rookie contract expires. No competitive athlete will be happy if they are the better player but for reasons out of their control they cannot get on the field. If Rodger's remains a Packer let JL have an open competition each year and may the best player win.

Having said the above Rodger's being a Packer would be the worst thing hindering Love's development. JL needs to play and NOT set on the bench behind Rodgers.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:05 am

I do not know if Love is going to be a good player. I am certain no one here knows that he’s not.

This isn’t about Love. If Love waited as long as Rodgers, Rodgers would be 41. At that point no one knows if either will still be playing, if they are playing well and if they are healthy, yet so many are certain Love Sucks and Rodgers will still be worth a staggering salary reflecting a player who is expected to carry a team. More things no one can know yet so many are sure of.

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June 08, 2021 at 10:51 am

We do know that one guy is a 3x MVP and Has won a SB. The rules of the game have changed for quarterback
longevity. We know Rodgers keeps himself in top shape and doesn't work the beer barrel circuit or 2-4-1s.
It is a simple negotiation taking place with the idea of guaranteed years in his contract. If he really wanted the out, he would have been traded.

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June 08, 2021 at 10:52 am

Well said. One absurd way to measure value is to look at what you could get by trading either player. Rodgers is estimated to be worth a pretty heavy haul, while love maybe could recoup a first round pick - maybe. Seems a lot of value based on potential to develop into a good qb. And I'm not suggesting he won't. I am saying that there are some strongly optimistic views on love and he hasn't earned them yet. I think love's capital has benefited more from a dislike of Rodgers than from anything he had accomplished.

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:22 am

"I’m sorry, but JL is a far better QB than people give him credit for. "

I would amend this to say that JL may eventually be a far better QB than people give him credit for. There will be growing pains for him, and he'll need time in the saddle to grow. I think it would be foolish for people to assume no dropoff in the offense with a change in QB...not to mention the fact that he may not be asked to do nearly as much, so the nature of his play and his numbers may be apples and oranges with ARod's.

Most of what I'd ask him to do initially when he becomes the starter is to take care of the football. If he starts there, good things will follow.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:43 am

My point in saying that was maybe this Packers team plays better with Jordan Love at QB instead of Aaron Rodgers. Not saying Jordan Love's passing numbers would be better, but that he would likely run the offense more in the manner Matt LaFleur wishes to see it run, and that might prove more effective.

On that note, Jordan Love can spin it. His numbers from his best season at Utah St. were better than Aaron Rodgers' numbers from his best season at Cal. I know people will say, "but, he wasn't in a top 5 conference..."

Yeah. It's all a guessing game until we see the live bullets. Patrick Mahomes won the MVP after his rookie season sitting behind Alex Smith, just watching him play...

The kid can throw the football. Guess we'll be finding out here shortly.

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Harold Drake's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:50 am

With all due respect, but your statement:
"...Maybe this Packers team plays better with Jordan Love at QB instead of Rodgers" is arguably the most ridiculous observation of the year (other than Ron Johnson declaring that friendly tourists led the rampage on the Capitol on June 6th and that it was a peaceful protest).

Good luck with that!

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 02:03 pm

Look, man. If you think Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur were in perfect unison, which appears to be the case, fine. That's your take, and I'm not going to slam you for it. But, now you're slamming me. wtf?

I'm not talking about the two players as passers. I'm talking about how the team works with a QB who does what his HC wants vs. one who might be less attentive to those directions. If you can't see the difference, sorry.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:38 am

Dobber, well said! However, you do know LF would have a different mind set and offensive philosophy (game plan) should anyone other than Rodger's starts right? LF would not just throw Love to the wolves, particularly in year one.

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June 08, 2021 at 03:26 pm

Yup...the offense will be apples and oranges.

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Guam's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:42 am

HD: While I would prefer the Packers retain Rodgers, I am no where near as judgmental about the potential for losing him. I say that because of my own learning curve with the Favre / Rodgers situation more than a decade ago. I wanted the Packers to retain Favre and trade Rodgers, but the Packers did the opposite and flourished. Whether the next great Packer QB is Jordan Love or someone else, I learned the organization can move on from any player and see good days again.

I am very much in the camp of keep Rodgers if you can without relinquishing control of vital management functions to a player. If Rodgers wants too much control, trade him. The Packers will move on and so will I. Go Pack Go!

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:24 am

"Rodgers would be foolish not to play for the Packers should the team agree to give him another $60 million in guaranteed money to ensure that he plays at least another two years with the team without danger of being released. "

The chances that ARod would be released in the next two seasons are about the same as my replacing him as starting QB. He's either QB of the Packers or dealt to someone else. His value as a commodity--either in trade or as the leader of this team--makes him someone who won't be released. We can't overstate the strategic importance of having control over where he goes...which is lost if you turn him loose. Let's remove the word "release" from our lexicon when talking about #12.

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Harold Drake's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:32 am

The matter of release is a salary cap issue. I believe that a trade does not absolve the Packers of a certain level of cap hit that depends on whether his existing contract is extended further. I just want to see him play for the Packers because I have watched tape of Love and I don't like his throwing action nor his accuracy. As Nagler often points out, Love is a work in progress and at least a year or two away from becoming an NFL calibre QB. The danger in not retaining Rodgers is the loss of the current window where the Packers have managed to keep the roster intact for this season and with the exception of one or two star players for 2022 as well. Rodgers has at least two or three good years left if one uses Brady or Brees as comparable players who were very effective in their late thirties.

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June 08, 2021 at 08:38 am

Not trying to be a snoot (and: TGR, correct me if I'm wrong) but a release and a trade have the same cap implications.

The issues of control and compensation weigh big here, and he'll always have value on the trade market.

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SanLobo's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:52 am

I’ve said this here multiple times, we don’t know what Rodgers is asking or what Green Bay is offering. We have heard from James Jones, John Kuhn and AJ Hawk that Rodgers is not looking for more money or to see Gutenkunst fired. I will assume they have real insights and these statements are true. It was reported, and this may or may not be true, GB offered to make Rodgers the highest paid player in NFL history and he turned it down. If true, throwing money at Rodgers will not resolve this issue. Until we actually learn what Rodgers is asking it is difficult for me to agree or disagree with the Front Office. It is entirely possible that one or both sides are being unreasonable.

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jont's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:10 am

probably the most sensible comment anyone's made on this subject

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June 08, 2021 at 10:44 am

It is also possible that neither side is being unreasonable, really. We are not aware of the motivations, but are left only to guess.

This is all really well said, SanLobo. Thanks.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:52 am

If the Packers give a 38 year old player that much guaranteed we will be hard pushed to recover in a decade as we will be cap poor with a new QB and a weak roster. Mind numbingly destructive. If they do that, the whole FO should be marched out of the building.

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Razer's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:48 am

Totally agreed. I think there is far more organizational risk in signing Rodgers to future guaranteed money than biting the bullet and trading him.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:00 am

I have another proposal - lets give Aaron Rodgers all $180.000.000 and let him play alone. I'm sure he will win all. Alone!

You are blind! Go watch WR one by one through the season and you'll find interesting data. Many drops by Packers WR came because ball was either overthrown or underthrown from Aaron. Not all. Some of the drops were on WR account, but not all. And not at small amount!

Do you people really believe that both broken clavicule did not left influence on Aaron throws? Really? Be serious.

Second, I agree with many that Jordan Love is not yet prepared for starting job. If not for other reason but because the speed of the game. In NFL players have to play much faster than at college level. Not only running or throwing or blocking, but in the most important part - in processing situations and decisions. Some players are faster in catching the speed, some adapts them at slower rate.

Preseason games will show us how far Jordan Love adapts to the NFL level. If he will dominate in those preseason games, it may show us that he is near that speed. If he will be just OK or just very good, than it will be the problem. Than he will need another year.

This is why Packers coaching straff is still reluctant to announce if Aaron Rodgers will not play for Packers this season, Jordal Love will be starter.

But if he will be dominant in preseason, decision will be much easier. I believe that Aaron Rodgers knows Jordan Love is not yet prepared and he thinks that is his leverage. But he also knows that next year is very likely that Jordan Love will be there as real threat to Aaron's tenure in Green Bay.

Again, MVP title belongs to Aarons offense too. His teammates were very often open or capable to catch not so good placed ball. That title belongs to them too.

So, we may calculate and we may taking sides and we may believe what we want, but there is the fact, solid one: It is contract signed by Aaron Rodgers and Packers which gives Packers rights to keep Aaron Rodgers on their roster for the next 3 seasons, played or not. And Packers fulfilled all from their side. The only one who ows is Aaron Rodgers, not Packers...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 01:07 pm

I agree with the comment that many passes were not perfect, but no one can expect perfect passes all the time. What we do know is Rodger's arguably had the best OL last year and his total numbers of sacks and hurries were down, which should have benefitted him greatly with his passing accuracy.

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Crankbait's picture

June 09, 2021 at 05:22 am

Fire Gute
now.

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laX's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:29 am

"willing to wait 4 more years for a 'chip?"
seriously? been waiting 10 plus WITH him.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:18 pm

I love this . Succinct, factual, and funny cuz it’s true.

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Handsback's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:29 am

The last two years have shown fans that a team is more than one player. Rodgers is a great QB, but Green Bay couldn't win the SB with him except for one magical run over 10 years ago.
The question isn't if the Packers can win without him, but do they allow the inmates run the asylum? My idea is they trade and build and find out if they can build a SB team.

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June 08, 2021 at 07:58 am

I agree. Rodgers current actions and future reactions are not going to make this more focused. He's obviously bigger than the team and that is never a good thing.

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blondy45's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:10 pm

As it stands now, Rodgers does not want to be a Packer. Again actions speak louder than words. The Front office still holds the high ground. They will decide Rodger's fate. IMO, Rodgers will hold out, the Front office will hold on, and the next decision will come in September. It looks like those players missing the "voluntary camp" will all be back today. That is the first major step to uniting the team.

So for those who believe the Denver deal is done, I do not think so. Time will tell, but my best guess is the Packers will not trade Rodgers before he possibly holds out in training camp or the beginning of the season. Then it is unlikely Denver will be able to make a blockbuster deal at that time. Therefore Rodgers must crap or get off the pot. Rodgers decides he is not reporting, he holds out for the entire season, then gets traded before 2022 season. If he reports, he plays, until the 2022 season. If he strangely has questionable performances in his early games, he sits & the Love-Bortles combo begins.

The best possible outcome would be for Denver to make that blockbuster trade now. The Pack would need to hold the Broncos at ransom to do this. If this does not occur, Rodgers must decide his only one of two choices. Are you in or are you out? If Rodgers is not traded this year, the Conga Line will be an impressive one next year. The highest bidder gets Rodgers. The more bidders the better.

Whatever happens, it looks like Rodgers is losing the PR war. More fans are not as pleased with Rodgers now, and the Front office is going to decide Roger's "FATE". Football is still a team sport. One bad apple can spoil others. The future is now, not last year. Rodgers is painting himself into a smaller and smaller corner. The Rodgers legacy has taken a hit, it will be forever tainted.

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:20 am

I agree with virtually all of what you've said here...

"If he strangely has questionable performances in his early games, he sits & the Love-Bortles combo begins."

If he returns, don't see any way #12 is benched. He would have to be worse than Mitchell Trubisky bad.

"The best possible outcome would be for Denver to make that blockbuster trade now. The Pack would need to hold the Broncos at ransom to do this."

At this point, I don't see any way the Packers could get real value for ARod in a summer deal. A lack of trade partners (especially given the reduced cap) and lowballing by teams hoping the Packers just want to clear him off the books and get anything in return will prevent that.

"the Congo Line will be an impressive one next year. "

Sorry to do this, but it's "conga line".

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blondy45's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:56 pm

My bad dobber, conga line is correct. I also believe Rodgers has a great surrounding cast around him. He should do very well, if he wants to be a Packer. Most signs say he does not want to be a Packer. Thanks Dobber.

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Slim11's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:01 am

This "situation" was recently compared to the Carson Palmer-Cincinnati Bengals situation from a few years ago. I live between Cincinnati and Dayton and saw this one up close. This makes Bengals owner Mike Brown look smart (hard to believe I'm saying so!).

Several players have skipped OTAs in the past. This is nothing new.

Palmer was traded in-season because Oakland needed a new QB. They were willing to pay Mike Brown's asking price. Denver and Las Vegas have been mentioned multiple times as being interested in Rodgers. So was San Francisco. Once the regular season begins, another team may likely decide they need a QB and approach GB with an offer similar to what the Raiders gave up for Palmer. Time will tell.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:30 am

I agree, and they share the same agent.

The best price this year will come if the starter on a good team goes down. For example, Brady is lost for the season. That’s the only circumstance that I can see a team willing to offer real value. The problem is, does that team actually have value we covet to trade? A secondary consideration is whether we’d want him playing for a team like Tampa. If we are not as bad as some think, maybe not.

The most viable trade scenario is next year. If Rodgers won’t buy into that then that speaks volumes and maybe Greengold is right. He only wants Denver. In those circumstances let’s hope Denver really is besotted, because otherwise Rodgers is sitting on the couch this year, willingly or not.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 09, 2021 at 01:55 am

I can see a reason why AR might not want to go to TB. If he picks up the reins from an injured Brady in TB and doesn't win a SB, he cements the negative comparison between Brady and AR as to winning super bowls. OTOH, going to TB gives AR an excellent chance to win a super bowl. But the best he can do is equal what Brady did.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:13 am

Blondy, nice perspective!

My only additional thoughts are there is no way Rodger's sits out this year. Zero! He always has been and always will be about his stats. If he cannot win Super Bowls, which he obviously can't than he has to have the QB stats to be mentioned as one of the greatest QB's of all time. He cannot afford to sit out a year.

He also cannot afford to sit out and miss several games before coming back. By doing so, JL (Bortles too) will have all summer, pre-season, and early games of season to develop and get into rythm with offense. Rodger's cannot afford to let Love get such an upper hand because he doesn't know if Love becomes the next Mahommes in year 2. Plus, it would take Rodgers a good month or longer to get up to speed and play.

This issue between Rodger's and the Packers will be resolved one way or another before the regular season starts. Count on it!

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jurp's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:00 pm

It would be funnily ironic if Rodgers sits and Love becomes a superstar, with Rodgers returning to the team and La Fleur saying, "Eh, no thanks. You can ride the bench."

I know that wouldn't happen, but I'd Love to see it.

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blondy45's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:08 pm

Rodgers is either in or he is out, no magical mystery. The Pack marches on in either case.

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Crankbait's picture

June 09, 2021 at 05:26 am

I blamed everything on Rogers at first also. After letting my emotions subside I realized the opposite. It's about winning Super Bowl's.
Gute should be fired.

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BrettGB's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:43 am

To be fair, I'm not sure how many more players the team can even add to "win now" when Rodgers' contract is in high question. If they settled this, and got an extension done they probably could. But they can only move so much money around until then. I don't think this is about the talent on or not on the roster at all, but that's just my 2 cents. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at anything anymore when it comes to this Rodgers saga.

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June 08, 2021 at 07:50 am

Unless you meant bring in a few players after they theoretically resolve the Rodgers situation. In which case, I'm all for that.

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June 08, 2021 at 07:50 am

Cory, assuming that Rodgers is sincere in his insane demand for guarantees (which will destroy the near-term future of the franchise), then the Packers "blinking" would be giving in to those demands, not trading him. If we instead assume that Rodgers actually wants to be traded, then "blinking" depends on whether he has been more upfront with the team than with the press. With Rodgers' love of cryptic messaging, he may not have been.

Lets say that Rodgers has indeed told the team that he won't ever play for them again and has asked to be traded to Denver. Let's also assume that he's man enough to keep this a secret from the press in order to facilitate a trade that helps both sides. Finally, lets assume that the Packers and Broncos have been trying to work out a trade and that there are sticking points (as GreenGold has said) about the other players involved. If "blinking" in your sense means we give in to Rodgers' trade demands, then I'm all for it - I'd rather blink to remove the mote in my eye than refuse to blink until it turns into a plank.

Let's get his ass out of town, turn over a new leaf with more money available, and get on with the business of winning a championship with players who WANT to play in Green Bay and who WANT to win a championship and not host a game show.

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Lphill's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:59 am

Why would Rodgers want to go to Denver if they are willing to trade away the future in multiple picks , where will the weapons come from , it will be the same story as GB .

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:11 am

Not really.

Figure, if Aaron Rodgers makes his way to DEN, who is STACKED, btw, he'll likely take a page from Tom Brady's book and rework his deal with the Broncos to make it possible for them to add talent via FA.

Not to mention, this is likely going to be a package deal. It is possible we'll learn more today just by seeing which of our WRs participate or show up.

DEN held these players out, again yesterday, in their 3rd week of practices: OLB Bradley Chubb, DE Shelby Harris, NT Mike Purcell, ILB Baron Browning. TE Noah Fant and CB Ronald Darby were new to their list of players not practicing.

If Davante or MVS don't practice, we can likely expect the Packers to pull the trigger soon. If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time. I just see this lining up, and the fact that we're still in this situation 6 weeks after the draft day bombshell kind of lends some credence to the idea.

We have to figure it would be one hell of a deal, and DEN would very likely rather trade players they can afford to part with vs. adding more picks to the pile. Those first four defenders have been held out of practice activities for the Broncos the entire way through. I'm sure there are a lot of discussions going on as to compensation for any number of different trade packages. That takes time.

Maybe Gutekunst wants Surtain ll and DEN isn't budging. Maybe DEN wants Davante, and GB isn't budging... it's all guesswork as to the many possibilities.

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June 08, 2021 at 09:10 am

"he'll likely take a page from Tom Brady's book and rework his deal with the Broncos to make it possible for them to add talent via FA."

They'll rework his deal because that's what it will take to make him happy. The process might make his cap hit palatable in the short term, but he'll be pricier than anyone they (meaning Denver) would start now. The deal will make him tradeable by Denver (or whatever destination team) in 2-3 years (as a guess).

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June 08, 2021 at 09:19 am

Yeah. The Broncos and their fans would lose their shit being able to add the NFL MVP, who has nothing wrong with him other than he doesn't want to play for GB.

Elway is opportunistic. Elway is a gunslinger. Elway is Team President of Football Ops. He knows what he wants, and is willing to pay for it. Of course they will rework AR's deal if the Packers decide to go for it.

I think Gutekunst and Murphy should pull the trigger. DEN is a perfect trading partner at this time, and I question whether he will be worth more in a year.

Pro Football Network's 2022 Mock Draft has 6 QBs in the Top 16... The Conga Line starts there...

da-da-da-da-da, CHA!!!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:24 am

LP, Denver is very rich in offensive weapons. Good RB's, good TE's, and good WR's.

Regardless of who the Packers would get on defense, the Broncos have a surplus of good WR's and TE's. For them to give up a Cortland (not happening), a Jeudy, a Hammler, or Fant wouldnt be the end of the world for them. The Broncos have seen what Rodger's has done with average WRs, excluding Adams.

How ironic if the Packers fleece Denver and it is the Packers who win the SB sometime in the next couple of years and not Denver. That would forever be a footnote about Rodger's.

I'm sure if this trade consideration is even going on that there will be some existing Packers that will also be going to Denver. Neither team can be seen as having gotten a terrible deal for their fan base.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:49 am

I’m not sure about this theory, or at least that Denver is willing to pay as much as is floated, but I agree that, on paper, Denver is one team team that is at least plausibly just missing a QB. If we traded Rodgers to Denver I’d look at Adams for a receiver. It may not help Love but it would make more contractual and future cap sense as well as keeping Rodgers happy.

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June 08, 2021 at 03:32 pm

"I’m not sure about this theory, or at least that Denver is willing to pay as much as is floated..."

Given that there's no substantive report of any contact between the Broncos and the Packers since draft day, this talk is all fantasy football.

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blondy45's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:34 pm

Very true dobber.

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June 08, 2021 at 09:28 pm

Best play for denver is waiting to see if the situation continues to deteriorate. I don't believe Denver will bet the farm on Rodgers, but will steal him if things get so bad that the FO is willing to let him go for a few picks instead of losing him to retirement and getting nothing. I don't think any team would trade without Rodgers willing consent and this is really limits the negotiating power.

I agree with others that the FO holds the cards, but Rodgers has created a limited market that gives his chosen teams a strong negotiating position.

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Packerpasty's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:40 am

the only reason most players "want" to play and live in Green Bay is either money or being able to play with Rodgers and at least have a chance at a championship. Once he's gone and if the team is obviously not heading for a super bowl, lets see how many want to come to Green Bay...

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June 08, 2021 at 10:40 am

I think that’s BS. It’s football in the cap era, you go where the money is. If you hadn’t noticed, most of our stars grew from not much with the Packers anyway. I guess you thought JJ Watt would come here for free because of Rodgers.

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wsn's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:46 pm

In a way you agreed with at least half of the statement when you reiterated that players go to greenbay for money - except for Rodgers.

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Crankbait's picture

June 09, 2021 at 05:28 am

Green Bay is where players go to die in the trenches in championship games.

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Lphill's picture

June 08, 2021 at 07:54 am

This is not about today this is a failure of a organization with no owner , the Favre fiasco , the heartbreaking losses like the Seattle debacle McCarthy should have been fired , its about keeping Dom Capers , Ron Zook too long , its about letting players walk too soon , Woodson , Jenkins, Cobb ,Hyde etc,etc,etc, Its about waiting on draft and development, its about having back to back 20 years plus of hall of fame quarterbacks and only 2 super bowl wins , its about a fan base who rationalize that making the playoffs is good enough if the Packers had an owner over the past 20 years they would have more Lombardi's , you don't strike gold 3 times the run on HOF quarterbacks is over , two wasted careers , Love is just a guy who plays QB , thats how it will be in Green Bay for the foreseeable future, get ready.

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porupack's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:37 am

You nailed it partly....most of the crap-outs in the big games were failure of team preparation/coaching. There was enough talent. Sure, a few more superstars could have compensated, but a good coach can almost always beat superior talent with lesser talent if the team is well prepared with the right approach. Almost always. 3-4 saavy old basketball players can almost always beat a bunch of young studs. Failure of an organization is a bit overly harsh. There were changes. Every organization has failures in personnel, cut bait, and move on without wasting tears. Move on.

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 08, 2021 at 03:17 pm

Lp, would you have wanted Jerry Jones, Mark Davis, Daniel Snyder, Zygi Wilf, Virginia McCaskey, Mike Brown, Jimmy Haslam, Jim Irsay, Dean Spanos, or Robert and Christopher Johnson making the calls in Green Bay the last 20 years? And, you can't say Bob Kraft, because he was, you know, busy. Busy dealing with the pressure in his own special way, and that wouldn't fly with the Martha Circle at St John's Lutheran.

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jh9's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:41 am

The current Aaron Rodgers situation is the natural result of Mark Murphy’s mismanagement over the last ten years.

After the Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010, and it became obvious Aaron Rodgers was a generational talent, instead of acting with urgency to capitalize and win multiple Lombardi Trophies with him at quarterback, Mark Murphy chose to spend his time and energy designing an ice skating rink for Titletown. When the Packers lost to Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers for the second time in a row in 2013, Dom Capers should have been replaced. When the Packers lost to Seattle in the 2014 NFCCG after they had a 16-0 lead at halftime, Mike McCarthy should have been replaced. When everyone understood Ted Thompson was not well and making poor draft decisions, Mark Murphy did nothing.

The best years of Aaron Rodgers’ career have been squandered by complacency. It’s no wonder why Aaron Rodgers feels the way he does.

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saltandpeppers's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:10 am

Yeah, Rodgers choking in the playoffs every year is Mark Murphy's fault!

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Packerpasty's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:42 am

at least he made it to the playoffs with subpar rosters. Lets see how happy you'll be when they struggle to reach the playoffs...maybe luck in like the Bears last year...you be happy then, management pawn??

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:03 am

So you play Rodgers forever? Maybe you haven’t grasped that we haven’t won with him recently and that it is 100 percent certain he will not play forever.

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porupack's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:40 am

I agree with this. Leadership and coaching failure to prepare players, and ability to overcome situational changes on the field during the full 60 minutes, and ability to compensate for any players' mistakes and mismatches. That is coaching.

>>>>when the Packers lost to Colin Kaepernick and the 49ers for the second time in a row in 2013, Dom Capers should have been replaced. After the Packers lost to Seattle in the 2014 NFCCG after they had a 16-0 lead at halftime, Mike McCarthy should have been replaced. When everyone understood Ted Thompson was not well and making poor drafting decisions, Mark Murphy did nothing. <<<<<

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:06 am

With hindsight each if those timings would have been optimal.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:52 am

I agree that the late teens might have given him a legitimate beef, but to wait till the Roster is the strongest it’s been in a decade and then vent that by opting out. Surely that would be the epitome of cutting off his nose to spite his face?

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Crankbait's picture

June 09, 2021 at 05:33 am

Excellent assessment. Bravo.
Front office culture has been the Packers playoff downfall for two decades.
Draft and develop Bean counters.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:08 am

“This is a family squabble that doesn’t appear to have an end in sight.” Well this should end up OK then, considering AR’s history of reconciliation with family. What bothers me most about this is that QB1 is scorching the earth a bit and harming MY team. If he stays or goes, it is a potential black mark on the team that could affect other players’ attitudes and perhaps potential free agent signings. I feel like the organization has made huge efforts in making GB a place players want to play...excellent facilities, historic stadium, good coaches, winning records, chances of future greatness. We’ve come a long way since Reggie said, “Yes.” This puts an unnecessary hit on the hard work that has been going on since the 90’s. If Aaron doesn’t want to play here, get him out fast and for as much as we can get. Before he does any more damage to MY team. Yes, I can wait 4 years or 40 if that’s what it takes. I’ve done it before...

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Razer's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:27 am

Well said Doug. Given all the Packers are doing to build a championship team, you would think that QB1 would be throwing a shoulder into the effort. We need to keep building not following special interests.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 01:15 pm

Razer,
Wouldn't this theory go to show Rodger's really is not so much about helping the Packers win a SB, as it is about himself? This has been a constant rumor over the years both inside and outside of football. Hasn't anyone read about Dannica Patrick's 'narcissist' comment recently?

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:59 am

You know it is odd how many posters on the various Packers blogs who were concerned with Rodgers fragility a couple of years ago now seem to think him not only indestructible but ageless.

The rebuild was coming soon anyway, or at least attempt one. If Jordan Love accelerated it we would have won the lottery indeed. Now we have to try before it’s ideal for him in the team’s planning and before time diminished Rodgers if he won’t be here on his current contract. In those circumstances, may as well get started. Won’t get to the promised land until we start walking. Just hadn’t planned on having to start hiking just yet.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 01:20 pm

When Favre was shipped to the East coast after the NFC Championship loss and a regular season 13 & 3 season (sound familiar?), and Rodger's started the following season the Packers had less than half the victories from the previous season.

Rodger's was not ready even after sitting behind for 3-seasons. Somehow the Packer organization survived and we went on to win a SB a few years later.

Trade the diva and add talent all around the QB position. Love will lead the Packers to the promised land! Hopefully, we find out that Love is able to win big games in the playoffs which would be refreshing!

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byu.tech's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:09 am

not fear, but panic.
why?
because #12 ruined their plans winning the MVP.
they clearly thought he was done, so 2020 with #12 and 2021 trade and Love as QB.
but....nobody has traded an MVP in the NFL...so they panicked.
that's all.
mediocre FO that lived on Rodgers magic for 13 years and on bob harlan work.
but when murphy had to make moves he was terrible.
he ruined favre's last years as a packers and now ha is doing the same with Rodgers.
packers FO is a disaster, they all need to go starting from the executive committee!

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saltandpeppers's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:30 am

Back to back NFC Championship games, what a disaster!

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:41 am

"they clearly thought he was done, so 2020 with #12 and 2021 trade and Love as QB."

If this was true--and I think it was--and a QB prospect with a high grade slid to the Packers, and he did, what they did made perfect sense.

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Coldworld's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:09 am

I don’t go as far as you, but I do think they’d agreed that they needed viable insurance if Rodgers did go down again and thus agree with your take on how that manifested.

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Razer's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:14 am

The Packers are obviously a better contender with Rodgers than without Rodgers - so moving on will be difficult for the organization. Drafting Jordan Love (moving up nonetheless) was a mistake given the egos involved. We accelerated an inevitable decision. Given Aaron Rodgers behaviour, you cannot let this kind of person dictate to the team. This passive aggressive bullshit, talking out of both sides of your mouth and victim talk is what we will continue to get from the "superstar" ego.

Rodgers is showing us exactly who he is and it won't get any better. If the organization wants to plaster this over, we will have to spend the future and cripple the franchise for the foreseeable future. Rodger's original contract and timeline was the right design. Stick to it or get the most out of our princess in the next year.

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King_James's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:51 am

I would say, given the situation, that drafting Love wasn't a mistake. Without Love where would we be now? Rodgers would have all the leverage. Given Rodgers relationship history (his family and past GFs) this was always going to be a messy divorce.

And why did it take drafting a QB for Rodgers to clean up his act, get back to the fundamentals, and buy into the offense?

The past two years have really made me question Rodgers workethic and desire to win. I don't think it's fantasy to say that without drafting Love, Rodgers doesn't change and doesn't win MVP.

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Razer's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:47 am

Fair point. Like Rodgers, I seem to get more productive as the day compresses my time.

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HarryHodag's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:29 am

The Mike McCarthy offense was predicated on passing 75% of the time, even though MM said he liked to run the ball. The Matt LaFleur offense is geared toward running 50% of the time. So the pressure on the QB is less.

When you look at how the MLF offense works the need for a deep receiving threat is there but nowhere near as necessary as the MM offense. So the NEED to have Aaron Rodgers around being a pain in the rear is less.

Can Blake Bortles be AR? No. But could he and Love be good enough? Maybe.

The really sad thing about this is Rodgers has a legit chance to be a playoff contender this year in Green Bay.
I'm not sure Denver is a playoff contender if you look at their division. The Raiders also are not likely to be playoff contenders either. From a football standpoint, going to any AFC team in need of a QB(exception possibly Miami) is like starting over.

One factor that the media hasn't touched on is the Shailene Woodley influence. Seems all of this started after his 'new relationship' came about. This is not unlike what happened to Colin Kapernick after he found a woman who was a political advocate. Something to think about.

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:49 am

"When you look at how the MLF offense works the need for a deep receiving threat is there but nowhere near as necessary as the MM offense. "

I might argue that a non-ARod offense will lean more heavily on the run game and short passes--especially with a young QB (Love) or a QB not known for his deep ball prowess (Bortles)-- and will need deep threats to keep safeties out of the box and defenses honest. You don't need to be a downfield offense to get that effect...you just need to be able to threaten downfield.

"I'm not sure Denver is a playoff contender if you look at their division. The Raiders also are not likely to be playoff contenders either. "

With the expanded playoffs, everyone is thinking playoffs pretty much every year. We're going to see 8-8 and 7-9 teams getting in on a regular basis.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:46 am

I think a lot changes there if Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler are thrown into a trade package.

I don't want the Packers to lose out on retaining Davante Adams. However, there is a possibility Davante wants to go with AR to DEN. If that is the case, adding both Jeudy and Hamler could be beneficial there. There is a possibility Courtland Sutton and MVS are a part of these discussions too. Sutton is one hell of a WR. He's been out the entire time as well recovering from his ACL surgery last September.

Jeudy, Hamler & Sutton are all deep threats.

My guess is that this has been a big part of the hold up with the Aaron Rodgers trade. The other being the Packers FO making certain they are past the point of no return with Aaron Rodgers.

Guessing DEN wants AR to have WRs that he knows so that they can lessen the learning curve in 2021, and be instantly more competitive with their division rivals KC, SD and LV.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:11 am

"I'm not sure Denver is a playoff contender if you look at their division."

I don't know. If you listen to certain posters on here, Denver is STACKED and LOADED. So stacked and loaded they went 5-11 last year. And that loaded defense, where giving up multiple starters won't hurt them, gave up an average of 28 points a game.

All a matter of seeing what you want to see I guess.

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:23 am

Denver's draft/FA acquisitions since last year...

Back off, twatwaffle.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:38 am

Just thought posting some actual facts as opposed to gossip and speculation might be a refreshing change on this topic. Sorry you got offended.

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blondy45's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:51 pm

I am with you 13 time champ. Trading away any starters hurts the Broncos. They are obviously not stacked on the defensive side of the ball which your facts are spot on.

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:18 pm

I agree in that any GM willing to acquire #12 is doing it with the plan of winning it all in a short window (2-3 years). Those GMs would likely rather deal in lottery tickets (draft picks) than in front-line players.

...and if BG would be happy taking players who AREN'T proven NFL talent in return for ARod, he'll be out the door before ARod retires.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 01:26 pm

Which might be why the inexperienced Drew Lock had competition added in Bridgewater, and why Denver 'might' be actively wanting Rodger's.

Keep in mind the Broncos added a rookie Jeudy and Fant to an offense as well. These guys should be exponentially better with a year experience under their belt.

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PatrickGB's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:26 am

Yes, I think that it can be done. Maybe not in the first year or so but in the long run that savings in the cap will help build this team into a different kind of contender.

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bbarryirish's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:35 am

Well said.
Thanks Corey

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EricinGB's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:40 am

Would prefer to see Packers man-up, own their behavior, change course and work with Rodgers. The alternative is to risk losing Adams, Lazard, MVS and Tonyan...all are in final years and will be unrestricted free agents in 2022. Rodgers protects receivers by not throwig them into dangerous hits - he does this by reading coverage petter than any less experienced QBs...nothing against Love in particular...but if I'm a receiver with a choice as to where to play, i am goiing to choose wisely - like Adams alluded. Risk/reward in the NFL is a business decision for the players. Then there is resigning one of the best conrebacks in the leage vs allowing him to play out ihis 5th year option in 2022 which is no help to the 2022 cap and whose absence will be felt in 2023. There is a domano effect Packers risk in losing leverage with core players...Working with Rodgers solves these potential issues...thoes fans who want to see Rodgers go need to consider the larger picture.

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Packerpasty's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:46 am

all those fans who want Rodgers gone only consider how great Murphy has built the sledding hill, etc...FO got this thing screwed up from the get go...Gute's is obviously a terrible people person, smartest guy in the room syndrome....Adams will leave next year and its a return to the Gory Years...

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jurp's picture

June 08, 2021 at 06:14 pm

All the receivers you mention LEAVE if the FO bows down to AR. WE WILL HAVE NO CAP ROOM.

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porupack's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:45 am

Contracts are invented for a reason.
Agree, and well stated. Packers should not blink. It is prudent however, to make some face-saving moves. That is wisdom gained throughout history and cultures; any reconciliation means make some concessions, even if one is in the right, even if its optics and symbolic. It is how you avoid wasting resources and opportunity on "principles" and being "right". Make some face saving concessions, but other than that, stick to the contracts. Contracts are invented for a reason.

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Packerpasty's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:47 am

contracts are broken by both sides every single day in any business on earth. By both sides.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:20 am

Breaking contracts brings you consequences. You forget that!

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stockholder's picture

June 08, 2021 at 01:35 pm

The packers have turned this into a 1 year 35 mil. contract. The writing is on the wall.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 08, 2021 at 01:29 pm

ahhhh but the attorneys thrive on this!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 09, 2021 at 02:07 am

Ah, but there is the "efficient breach" doctrine.

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EricinGB's picture

June 08, 2021 at 08:57 am

What is to prevent Rodgers from returning to the team, playing 6 games to acru a season and then retiring or going on IR? How would that effect the salary Cap? Trade value?

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croatpackfan's picture

June 08, 2021 at 10:24 am

I remember one very informed man said - you count against salary cap what you pay. So, if Aaron Rodgers retire at half the season, Packers can restore all guaranteed money that is not payed and keep Aaron Rodgers rights till he die. That is what I learned from Salary cap experts, reading different links about situation, and Aaron Rodgers has to pay back Packers the rest of the guaranteed money. It is very good position for the Packers.

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dobber's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:21 pm

He can't put himself on IR.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 09, 2021 at 02:13 am

Nothing prevents that. To get around AR's inability to put himself on IR, the answer is to report week 10 or so and be active for the last 7 games. That does mean he has to report for TC.

Martellus Bennett kind of put himself on the IR, didn't he? That was very confusing as first he said GB wanted him to play even though he was injured and then when he was released he played for another team. Oh well, my memory is not good. Strictly speaking, I agree that a player can't put himself on the IR.

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June 08, 2021 at 09:00 am

I think AR not only wants a better contract, but he wants another Ring. Where can he play that would get that next ring? IMO, its GB. We are close to getting to the big show, now, and if AR went to another team, it could be years before he gets even close to that next ring. The Gute/AR issues are real but are just media fluff, as far as I'm concerned. I believe AR is truly pissed at Gute, but those issues could be solved, or eased, with Gute bending a bit, in ARs direction. Keep AR in the loop on team personnel decisions, give him a new contract, and let's look towards a Super Bowl run, in GB, this season. GO PACK, GO!!!

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marpag1's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:03 am

Pass.

There is no way I'm going to waste my time reading yet another tired article about how to fix a situation that virtually no one outside of 1265 really understands or even knows.

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PackerAaron's picture

June 08, 2021 at 04:41 pm

But you WILL waste time commenting on it. Curious.

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wildbill's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:35 am

Not saying Love doesn’t have talent but with no AR it wouldn’t surprise me that Bortles is the starting QB game one because of his experience. Those who compare the Love situation to the Mahomes situation need to cut down their meds

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Handsback's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:41 am

From where I stand, I've seen the 60s through the 80s and the difference between the decades is LOFT. Lack of freaking talent! People say losing Rodgers takes the Packers back to the 70-80s. I say hogwash, why you might ask? I'll tell you...the team has talent on offense and defense. They might win or lose all their games by less than a TD...but they will be competitive.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 08, 2021 at 11:56 am

Good enough dude.

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Since&#039;61's picture

June 08, 2021 at 09:57 am

Just keep this in mind. If neither side blinks that means this situation just goes on and on and on, and very possibly gets worse if it splits the locker room and puts MLF in a very difficult situation. From the beginning I've said either trade Rodgers or make a deal with him. However, the FO as usual has no sense of urgency either to win this season or to keep their HC out of a difficult situation or to put an end to a distraction for the team.

I'm reaching the point where my preferred scenario will be to fire the Murphy triumvirate, bring in FO management who can make sound football decisions and let them trade Rodgers for picks and players. That way we remove any future issues from Rodgers and we get a front a office who can get things done and who are not complacent to sit around and allow negative issues fester while they do nothing and also make the moves necessary to improve position groups like ILB and the DL which have been allowed to languish in mediocrity season after season.

This idea of blinking or not blinking is just old fashioned, unnecessary bad management, that no longer succeeds in the real business world in the current era.
Another cardinal sin of management is to let a situation get personal. All that does it prevent anything from happening while all your competitors move on.
Resolve it and move on or find people who can and will resolve it. Lombardi would never have let this go on and as Mike Holmgren has said he would never have let it get this far. Forget that they were both great HCs, more importantly they both understood that resolving a problem the best way possible is always better than doing nothing.

Rodgers and his agent are not helping either. There is still time before TC but Rodgers agent should be advising Rodgers to show up for TC, get ready to play and they will continue to negotiate with the team throughout 2021. Yes, Rodgers loses his leverage for now but he regains leverage by playing and having another MVP like season. We'll never know what's going on with Rodgers' side of this but at least his agent should be proactively seeking a resolution.

Like I said above,I would have no problem trading Rodgers and chucking the Murphy triumvirate at this point. At least that would give MLF and the team a chance to start the Love era with a clean slate on the field and at the front office level. Chuck all the choochs and move on. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 08, 2021 at 12:04 pm

Would Murphy be eligible for UE ? Get Andrew Brandt on board and keep Policy's kid out of the game plan.
The tire-kicker, low-Ball has a track record of of dubious decision making on the negotiation front. Over pays some and jettisons Pro Bowl talents. This guy was exposed years ago, but hanging on to the company bowling team seems to be the 21st century version of the Packer Way.

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Since&#039;61's picture

June 08, 2021 at 12:26 pm

Jannes, They are protecting the cloister. When Murphy finally let TT go it was time for Murphy to bring in a GM from the outside with fresh thinking like Bob Harlan did with Ron Wolf. It was also time to move on from Ball.

However, outsiders would be potential challengers to Murphy rather than yes men. This would be bad for the cloister, no accountability environment in Green Bay.

To appease everyone Murphy created a structure where everyone reports to him. So we have a situation where everyone is in charge which means no one is in charge. This means no accountability for results since no one makes any decisions and the beat goes on and on and on.

MLF is an outsider so he is there to take the fall if/when things go south on the field. MLF and the fans become the losers in this scenario. MLF had to accept Pettine as his DC, fail. Both MLF’s first choices for DC and STs turned down the Packers. Why? They came for interviews. Did they learn something during their interviewing that scared them off from the Packers? Did the FO deliberately lower their salary offer? Did their interviews confirm concerns they were already aware of about the Packer FO? We’ll probably never know.

Coaching positions with the Packers are considered premier opportunities in the NFL. Is that no longer the case? I don’t have the answers but where there’s smoke ….
Thanks, Since ‘61

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 12:48 pm

I appreciate your explaining this further, Since'61. Helps me understand a bit more on where you were coming from with your last msg.

It is a little funky. No doubt. I've questioned Murphy a shit ton, but his bringing in LaFleur was so solid, I had been inclined towards giving him a bit more leeway.

We'll see.

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June 08, 2021 at 02:51 pm

greengold, I agree we'll see. I'm looking for the best outcome for the Packers and hopefully we can still achieve that. But if this goes south, which means to me, we lose Rodgers to retirement with no return and neither QB proves to be any good then the FO needs to be held accountable.

Murphy did bring in MLF which is working out well so far. But we don't know how much support he has received in terms of hiring his initial coaching choices. Then who is most likely to be held accountable if Love isn't the answer and/or Barry's defense turns out to be a sieve? The response will probably be MLF hired Barry, or MLF couldn't get Love ready to play.

I probably spent too many years working with clients to consider every possible scenario, both positive and negative, as well developing exit strategies because even the best plans can go wrong. But in those situations I had a solid understanding of what my client was trying to achieve.

I'm not sure what outcome the Packers want from this situation. Do they want to win the SB in 2021? That should be the first question. If yes, what is the best way to achieve that? If they don't want to win in 2021 then what do they want to happen? Do they want Rodgers to come back and play? Do they want to trade him for picks and players? Do they want him to retire? Do they care either way? Will this situation reoccur with Davante Adams and Jaire Alexander or will we lose them to FA with no return?

What does Rodgers want? As best I can tell he wants to secure his future with the Packers. If he really wants to be traded the Packers should have accommodated him by now. In fact it should have been done before the draft when they had the best chance to acquire more picks.

I think the Packers are expecting Rodgers to come back and play. But let's face it, this wouldn't be the first time that Rodgers calls an audible. Then it becomes a matter of who wants to win the SB in 2021 more, Rodgers or the Packers? My concern is that the FO is fine if they don't. Whereas if Rodgers comes back it's all on him, again.

What do I think? I think Rodgers should retire. He doesn't need money and since he is soon to be married why should he risk his health any longer and cause that to impact his future family. Even if he is traded there is no certainty that his new team would provide him with any guarantees for his future either. So what's the point? He is a bright guy but I am surprised that he hasn't realized that neither the Packers nor the league believe that they owe him anything, which in the harshest terms they don't. In the end, to both the team and the league he is just another player who delivers ratings and revenues. When he's gone there will be someone else, like Mahomes or Watsun. Reminds of "Requiem for a Heavyweight." Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

June 08, 2021 at 03:58 pm

I don't know if you're looking at this from outside the "fan" perspective.

All of your messaging appears to include this notion that AR wants to secure his future with the Packers. Where do you get that?

I think this is a lot more simple than people are making it out to be. Listening to both David Bakhtiari and to Davante Adams, I got the sense Rodgers just doesn't want to return to play in GB. He has already turned down offers for more money to play here.

I also wonder how you can say the Packers Front Office doesn't care about winning the Super Bowl...??? I don't get that and I never will. That makes zero sense when looking all they have done to build this team around Rodgers as best they could.

This kind of came out of nowhere, didn't it? I mean, we can reasonably point to cause, but his wanting out of GB entirely?

You point to coaching and say they were severely outcoached in both NFCC games, both TB games. I'm left to wonder, a HC who is 26-6 all of a sudden doesn't know how to coach or gameplan, for his biggest games??? Could it be possible that the QB who was making the calls at the line became non-compliant? That the plan essentially went out the window in a series of tunnel vision pass attempts to Davante Adams? Seeing nothing else? That's what it looked like to me.

Add in Mike Pettine, who I don't think saw eye to eye with LaFleur. We all saw that failure manifest itself in front of our eyes on too many occasions.

As an owner of a company, look what happens to your team when one or two of your main players goes rogue, against your wishes. If the company objective fails, is it the instruction and planning that has failed, all the resources you put into achieving your goals, or is it this one or two rogue actors who lost control of your apple cart?

I wonder if that isn't more in line with what we've witnessed in both NFCC game crashes.

Seems this Front Office is trying to figure this out as best they can, trying to bring him back if at all possible, but I believe that is looking highly unlikely. Maybe they are working under a different timetable than us fans would prefer...

You're right to look to every possible scenario. Maybe consider for a second Murphy isn't Darth Vader. Maybe he was being what he thought was forthright in saying Pettine had to stay on, given he was hired the year before in McCarthy's lame duck season. Maybe he simply made a mistake there. I think he did, and my guess is you do to, but, he probably does as well. No one is perfect.

Maybe this whole thing is as simple as AR wants to start a family elsewhere, without having to play in GB, and he's not going to budge. I can see that as the most probable scenario in play. Maybe the FO is just taking more time than others might to accept that as fact, or to determine if that is in fact 100% the case before trading him. These are big decisions. I can cut them some slack with that.

Better yet, maybe an offer was made and the Packers counter offered, and both teams are in a holding pattern trying to figure it out.

I think people are being vilified for no reason, or without proper knowledge of the facts. That goes for Aaron Rodgers, Mark Murphy, Brian Gutekunst and Matt LaFleur.

None of us knows, and yeah, it is frustrating as hell, as fans. It is all pretty upsetting having so many unknowns swirling about, while we are so close to being legit contenders. Like yourself, I'm just hoping for the best.

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June 08, 2021 at 06:19 pm

I just want to open this site's Home page and see the headline "Aaron Rodgers is now a Denver Bronco". I am sick of all of this.

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June 08, 2021 at 10:10 pm

Yes, much of what I post is outside the "fan" perspective. If we agree that MLF did not forget how to gameplan then why do we consider that Rodgers went rogue? If we won 28 games over the last 2 seasons with Rodgers at QB why did he suddenly go rogue in the NFCCG? Are we saying that he didn't go rogue in the games we won but that he did go rogue in the games we lost? That doesn't make sense either.

Fact is that we know Rodgers changes plays at the LOS during most games. We also know that many of the plays are run/pass options, so yes plays are changed based on the personnel and the how Rodgers reads the defense pre and post-snap. IMO if you have a QB like Aaron Rodgers the QB should be calling the plays anyway. The QB on the field has a better feel for the game and the situation than any coach on the sideline. Many of the great QBs in the past called all of their own plays as you know. If QBs called their own plays we would not hear the convenient excuse that there was miscommunication or poor communications when the team loses the game.

I got the point that Rodgers wants to secure his future with the Packers from Rodgers himself who has stated on numerous occasions that he wants to finish his career with the Packers. It's not about money because he has already been offered moe money but he has turned it down. He is looking for guarantees that he will remain the Packers starter. I think, but I don't know that he is looking for longer guarantee than the Packers are willing to commit to. He is probably looking for a 5 year guarantee or more. To me this is unreasonable. If I'm the Packers I wouldn't commit to more than 2-3 years at most with an option to go year by year after that.

Rodgers wants control of his exit from Green Bay rather than having it look like he has been pushed out. The Packers want to get their new toy on the field ASAP so that they can justify spending a 1st and 4th round pick to select Love. Having said that I can't rule out the possibility that Rodgers wants out of Green Bay but if he does he should have been traded before the draft to SF for the #3 pick in the draft plus others since that move would have been the Packers best move in terms of making a trade. Even Murphy has admitted that he doesn't think Rodgers really wants out of Green Bay and therefore the Packers won't trade him.

It's also possible that a trade is in the works but the Packers have categorically denied that they are trading Rodgers. So what's left? Rodgers either returns and plays under his current contract or he retires. Neither of those is a win for the Packers. I don't want any player who feels he has been forced to play and I don't think that Rodgers will accept that. So if he retires or holds out the Packers lose Rodgers on the field and get nothing in return for at least the 2021 season and possibly nothing in 2022 if Rodgers retires. That's a lose/lose for the Packers and that's what I'm concerned about, as a fan and from an outside perspective.

I agree that the Packers want to win in 2021 but do they feel the need to win the SB in 2021? Wanting and needing are 2 very different motivators. One is "that would be nice", the other is, "we win the SB or we're fired." That creates a sense of urgency which I don't see from the Packers FO, not just in this situation with Rodgers but quite frankly since we won the SB in 2010.

As for running a company with rogue players, the only way that happens is if management is not paying attention to what their people are doing and if they are not partnered with their customers. I ran 2 companies on my own in the early 80s and then partnered up with and co-owned a consulting company for 33 years before retiring. As more and more of our business moved overseas there were times when we had people working on projects in as many as 20 different countries at the same time. Most of our consultants were highly paid independent people and none of them ever went rogue on us because we spoke with them and/or our clients every day. We treated both our consultants and customers as partners in our business. And of course we had actual partners who provided areas of expertise which we did not have and we subcontracted parts of projects to them.

The role of my business partner and myself was to pay attention to all phases of the business. And I can assure you that in the Mergers and Acquisitions business there are hundreds if not thousands of moving parts in every deal and at least hundreds of millions of dollars and often billions in the bigger deals. No one wants to blow up up those deals. There is no coming back from failure in those situations. It's a career end for an individual consultant and it's the end of the firm if they don't prevent it. It helped that we were a relatively small organization (80 - 100 people including contracted consultants) and that we remained focused on what we did well.

"Success demands a singleness of purpose." Vince Lombardi, framed and posted on my office wall for my entire career. So yes, from a non-fan perspective I hold the FO to a very high standard. Lombardi did not want to win every game, he needed to win every game and it showed in the results. He was committed, he drove his team with a sense of urgency and he succeeded. That is and remains the difference between Lombardi and everyone else. It's why his name is on the trophy for excellence achieved in an NFL season.

We can still see a positive outcome for the Packers but I would prefer if they were acting as drivers rather than as passengers which is what it seems like. Maybe that's not fair but as you say much has not been fair to either side since we don't have all the facts in this situation.
Focus, pay attention, communicate, treat everyone as though they are important, and always take responsibility and accountability and hold people to the same standard as well. Never assume, rather make certain everyone is rowing in the same direction. I've always liked IBMs motto, "Think". Simple, direct and everyone can remember it. Be well gg. Thanks, Since '61

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June 09, 2021 at 08:08 am

Hey Since'61,

I appreciate your laying this all out the way you did.

"I got the point that Rodgers wants to secure his future with the Packers from Rodgers himself who has stated on numerous occasions that he wants to finish his career with the Packers."

This is the point I am trying to emphasize: THAT IS OLD NEWS. I don't think he's made any of those statements, nothing close to them, since meeting his future wife. Life changes.

Take that out of the equation, this notion that he wants to be in GB to finish his career, and it changes a lot, right? That's all I have been getting at, and never quite knew how to say it. I mean, vilifying Gutekunst & Murphy doesn't wash in that scenario where they literally have zero options in bringing him back to Green Bay. It appears his return is firmly off the table, by AR's choosing.

I'm right with you in wanting a trade to happen with Denver, and I still think it is going to happen. I do think they are wanting Davante Adams included in the deal, and that might be the reason for the delay. Maybe they are simply waiting until these minicamps are over before closing on a trade.

It's all guesswork.

THINK. Man, so glad you chose that. I knew Paul Rand, the gentleman and giant of branding who designed the IBM logo - amongst a host of others still used today. Brought back some fond memories of doing tequila shots together in the desert many years ago...!!! Paul was a giant in the branding industry.

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June 09, 2021 at 10:19 am

gg, really cool that you knew Paul Rand. I never had the opportunity to meet him but I have read 2 of his books, "Design, Form and Chaos" and "The Art of Design." Not any type of artist myself but they were helpful to me whenever I found myself in a branding or rebranding conversation with my clients over the years. He was brilliant.
I appreciate your sharing that. Thanks, Since '61

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June 09, 2021 at 10:33 am

Ha! I have both of those books, and Paul signed them for me. I am ALL ARTIST. That's how we met, through a mutual friend who was one of my professors. Damn, we had fun back in the day. He and his wife were wonderful people. You're right. He was brilliant.

I paint commissioned works now in my private downtown studio in Milwaukee's Historic Third Ward, after having been in branding/design for a number of years. Second career for me. Or, third... My clients are from all around the country. My work has been sold in reproduction format all around the US for the last 15 years or so. I pretty much jump in here while I let layers dry...

Needless to say, I look at things a little differently than some others.

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June 08, 2021 at 01:38 pm

Spoiled silage, unsold condos and 500 M in the bank keep the Country Club Committee satisfied and they probably stiff the caddies.

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June 08, 2021 at 02:57 pm

The money keeps rolling in and the beat goes on with or without Rodgers and with or without SB victories.
Nice to know that you're still in "Titletown" even with only 2 SBs over the last 53 seasons after winning 11 in the previous 38 seasons.

But when your office looks out over the Titletown you built it's easy to fool yourself into believing a "Big Lie" and protecting your cloister. Thanks, since '61

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June 08, 2021 at 03:38 pm

What I find offensive is the absurdly disproportional replica of the Vince Trophy occupying a corner of the atrium.
Bush league stuff.

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June 08, 2021 at 10:13 pm

Yes, I don’t like that either. It’s unnecessary and cheapens the actual trophy. Someone, somewhere thought it was a good idea. Who knows why. Thanks, Since ‘61

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June 08, 2021 at 01:23 pm

Finally, someone with a realistic take on the situation. I keep reading that the Packer management needs to "hold firm'" or "stay the course" or "not blink" or "stand tough." All which I think mean the same as "do nothing" or "twiddle your thumbs" or "stand around with your thumbs up your butt." Doing nothing got you to this point. It's time for Murphy to resolve the situation.

I like your solution of getting rid of the Three Stooges, Moe Murphy, Larry Gutey, and Curly Ball and get some real executives with NFL experience that involves more than kowtowing to Ted Thompson.

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June 08, 2021 at 10:26 pm

I think our triumvirate has experience. The issue is how they apply their experience. They seem focused on evaluating and drafting players. Then they draft the players they believe are the best remaining on their board. So far so good.

However, they either get lost or don’t care about the relationship with the player. There are 3 phases in a successful relationship. Initiation, which is the scouting and drafting part of the NFL team/player relationship. Then there is the development phase which is getting to know the player and that should be as a player and person. Then there is the maintaining the relationship phase which should include supporting, paying attention and on going communication between the team and the player.

I think the Packers are pretty good at the initiation phase and then the relationships level off after the first phase. With a player like Rodgers, who been with the team 16 seasons there should be solid communication and trust between the team and him after all this time. The team should know what is going to create issues with him. They have admitted that their communication should have been better. Gute and Murphy have been there as long as Rodgers they should have the strongest relationship with him by now. It’s part of what they are paid to do whether they think it’s important or not.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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June 08, 2021 at 01:37 pm

Since,
With the Packers holding all the chips why should they move now to resolve all this mess?

I mean first of all shouldn't they truly evaluate and see what they might have in Jordan Love first? Each and every practice they are learning more and more what they have in Love, as well as Bortles. I mean to me this is more than critical...it is imperative! Once they have a very good sense of the talent there it is a reference point and will bode them well in whatever they decide to do. To do otherwise, would be more than stupid!

Secondly, sometimes in negotiations one has to sit tight to force the other party to negotiate reasonably. If Denver is all in on trading for Rodger's each and every week that gets closer to camp is to the Packers advantage, particularly if the Packers have already decided they do not want Rodger's in a green and gold jersey anymore.

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June 08, 2021 at 03:35 pm

Knock, I agree that the Packers should take every opportunity they can to evaluate what they have in Love and Bortles. I would argue that they should be doing that even if Rodgers was with the team and even if none of this ever happened. That would make sense in case Rodgers was injured during the season.

In terms of the Packers holding all of the chips the question is (at least for me) what outcome are the Packers looking for since they hold all the chips? The first and really only outcome they should be considering is, how do we win the SB in 2021? This is based on the assumption that they want to win the SB in 2021. If that's their goal what is their best approach to achieve that outcome? I would argue that reaching an agreement with Rodgers is their best approach to achieve that goal in 2021.

However there is another assumption to consider. That assumption is that the Packers triumvirate does not need to win the SB in 2021!!! There is a significant difference in wanting to win and the urgency that you need to win. The Murphy triumvirate apparently does not feel that they need to win the SB in 2021. In that case it doesn't matter if Rodgers returns or not. In fact it builds in an excuse for failure at least in 2021 and 2022 because they can blame it all on Rodgers now if he does not come back. And if Love flops over the next 2-3 seasons they have MLF as their scapegoat and probably gain a few more seasons to keep their cloister together.

So yes, the Packers hold all the chips but what are they trying to achieve with all of their chips. Are they going to force Rodgers to return because otherwise he will lose a large sum of money. That might work, but is that how you want to have your QB back in the fold. $30 million dollars is a lot of money for anyone, even Rodgers, unless you're Warren Buffet, or Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or someone like that. However, Rodgers does not need the money, his current net worth is. over $120 million and growing even without playing for the Packers.

So what happens if Rodgers does not return. Do the Packers trade him? Probably but the closer to the season we get the less likely that becomes because teams will be reluctant to start with a new QB and little time left to learn their offense. More likely a trade would take place in 2022.

Next question is what happens if Rodgers retires? Packers lose Rodgers and get nothing in return. Is that an acceptable outcome for the Packers or their fans? I don't think so.

One final assumption is that the Packers don't care what happens with Rodgers since they don't owe him anything regardless. He's just a player who played well and now he's gone. There will be another QB and another HC, etc... And included in that assumption is that they don't care about the fans either. The stadium is sold out forever, the league revenue sharing is coming in and the beat goes on.

So to answer your question why should the Packers move to resolve this now is it depends on what outcome they are looking for? If the 2021 SB does not matter then they should hold on to their chips and do nothing. If that is how it plays out it will tells us plenty about the sense of urgency to win in the GB front office. Thanks, Since '61

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