Agreed all around. The only thing I was happy about on offense was Dillon showing some life. The rest was hard to watch. It's clear Wallace is going to have a hard time with quick-footed edge players.

Just stop making excuses.
This is not what Tom Clements coached.
If Love can't take a hit. Find someone who can.

MLF sure isn't doing his young QB any favors, that's for true. It's almost as if he's still game planning for Rodgers.

"I hate vanilla ice cream, but the Packers are just vanilla right now. Nothing special. Just a bowl of meh. "

Right now they are a bowl of vanilla. BUT, they have a lot of toppings ready to put into the bowl. They are ready to be put in and turn that vanilla into something really good.
The problem right now is that they don't know which toppings should go in with each other and are creating a mess.

Lets look at what they have. They have a lot of youth. A lot of guys playing for the first time. Walker and Tom on the OL are first time starters. Reed, Wicks and Musgrave are playing for the first time. Watson played really for the first time this year last night. Doubs has the most experience on the roster. Ohh and this is Loves first year as a starter. They have had to deal with adversity as well. They basically haven't had Jones since week 1. Watson just came back. They lost Bakhtiari and Jenkins for a while. There have been a lot of issues they have had to deal with.

They need to take this bye and regroup. First thing they need to get Jones back and get him involved in the offense. They need to make him the focal point of the offense. But they need to build it off of him as well. They need to have a plan when he isn't on the field and be able to move the ball without him there.

Maybe time to see IF Sean Clifford can throw the ball down field with accuracy. Love can't hit a bull in the ass with a scoop shovel!

Aaron says defenses now know enough about Love to take away what he does best.

"The Offense is regressing."
My question is this.
It's regressing from what?

The over-hyped expectations?
The comparison of Love and Rodgers?

This team is proving my realistic thoughts of them, not any pundit or blind-optimistic fan, when I said 6 wins is the likely total. If Denver didn't have KC before and after the Packers, I'd be hard-pressed to pick GB to win that game. Depending on how Denver looks against KC next week, I could see myself going with Denver, as I did with the Raiders.

The last pass to Watson was a hope for some laundry that didn't come to save them. Letting the Ref decide the game isn't a winning formula, for long term success. There is little faith that either MLF or Love can plan or play to win without the help of 'yellow', even to offset the yellow that was/is earned against themselves.

The Raiders are not a good team, but the HC/QB matchup still gave them the edge, and it proved to be correct. It might not work against a couple of others, but it's a defining point when it comes to the Packers, against any team, as proven this season, so far. I'll say it again, if it wasn't for playing the Bears and a missed FG vs NO, this team is 0-5, and the record disputes it, but we all know it to be true in the reality of our heads.

A good improvement in play game against KC could have Payton and Wilson as another likely matchup that MLF and Love can't win.

I feel the pain of a bad team as a fan, but blind hope is the first step to failure, and many fans like this team are still supporting blind hope. The level of this after two weeks will be epic in proportion to the reality that should be embraced, by fans, and especially the Packer staff and players. Embracing reality can be hard, but doing so, will do more to save you than what you fantasize.

Motion? That end around, or whatever it is called now, in the first half was an absolute disaster by the OL. I am unsure if any of them made any contact with any Raider. Teams are not challenging Love alone. They are challenging this team to execute, offense, defense and ST. This team is not executing with any consistency. The youth may explain some of it but there are veterans out there that are not executing.

Enjoying all the "smart" play discussion on Peters' horse collar tackle that may well have been the game winner.

NFL deems the play to be dangerous and has made it illegal - does that mean intentional egregious illegal actions are now acceptable if you win the game and nobody gets hurt.

Or will NFL fine Peters more than one game salary along with the condoning coaches?

Last year, and even before, commenters here called the downfield shots "hero ball". Looks like it might not have been Rodgers freelancing after all but all part of the plan. Rodgers at least had, up until last year, a record of actually being able to hit enough of those shots to make defenses worry about them. Love so far does not.

I may be having a senior moment, but is it 2022 or 2023. From last nights game and this years Packers team, I would swear we are back in 2022. I guess the main difference is that our OL is still horrible and we can't rely on Bahk or any other vet to save us, just some THINKING and DOING on the part of our OL coach and maybe his boss, the seemingly irrelevant Stenovich, or his boss, the overmatched Matt Matt LaPoodle.

Given we are on a 22 game run of clueless play/coaching one wonders if the cycle of mistake, misplan, get out strategized, and look dazed and confused will ever end. Since Murphy is likely spending 99% of his time planning for the 2025 draft one wonders if anyone will put us out of this misery and plan to replace MLF and the entire coaching staff at the end of 2023. Hoping that this coaching staff finally figures things out is by far the longer odds.

The best part about The Corner is you can walk through, look around, realize the room is completely round and leave. All you have to lose is your time.

The focus of the article, and seemingly fans in general, is the quarterback, running backs, and receivers. The real problem with the offense is elsewhere: the offensive line. With the exception of Jenkins, this line just plain sucks. Walker is bad at tackle. This poses a question: what the hell is going on with Nijman? This is a guy that has proven he can play left tackle. Walker was being eaten alive by Crosby yet they stuck with a guy who should be benched. Myers and Runyan are mediocre at best. Zach Tom also showed little against Crosby. He looks like a guard playing tackle.
Never forget that all of the 'heroes' can't do much without good offensive line play. THAT is the core of the problem. Compare the Packers line to the 49'ers line and you see quickly the core of the problem. If you move the defense you move the ball. While obvious, it apparently isn't so obvious to some.

At this point I don't know what can be done this year. I don't think they can do much next year as the cap likely will be tighter than this year.

I knew this was going to be a bad year when all they could do was trot out Royce Newman for yet another disaster of a showing.
And one more point:

Joe Barry: why?

PROGRESS IS NOT LINEAR. You put stuff on tape, your opponents respond, then you have to adjust, and so on and so forth. This is a process guys. There will be two steps forward and one step back. There will be a step forward and three steps back. Then there will be a bunch of little steps forward. That's how this works.

Love and Lafleur looked lost to say the least. IMO, 10 right now is mediocre at best. Long ways to go to see “if” we think he can be our QB going forward. If not then back to the draft. Certainly not all Loves fault but his accuracy issues continue as they have since college from what I’ve read.

This is EXACTLY what I predicted before the season started--and got a bunch if thumbs down as a result. Jordan Love doesn't have the football savvy to be a top notch QB. He throws almost as many INT's as TD's because he makes bad decisions. Just as he did at Utah State! The fact that he's not gotten better than that by now is a huge red flag. If anything, he's gotten worse. He also hasn't shown the ability to consistently make the deep throw. MLF's play calling isn't helping matter. They both act like deer in the headlights. The whole organization seems clueless for that matter. Wake up guys, beating the Bears doesn't make the season a success.

The vultures are circling on Loves tenure as the starting qb. I know.. the Packer faithful will jump on this observation like a junkyard dog jumps on a meaty bone.

they will say that he is young, learning the game and that even the great Aaron Rodgers threw many interceptions in his first year.

They will say his young receivers can’t get iff the line of scrimmage and that their are too many drops.

But the fact if the matter is that Love does NOT have the arm of Favre or Rodgers.

He has not shown the ability to to hit on the LONG pass. How many under thrown and off targets has he thrown when attempting a shot of more than 40 yards?

Defenses smell this like sharks in chummed water and sit in the middle of the field and lick their chops.

I have watched the Pack since 1958 with my grandfather… through the glory years of the sixties and also thru the mediocrity of the 80s and 90’s.

There will be those that will say the injury bug has snake bit us for the first five games… and they will be right. But that will not explain the above facts.

I love the Pack and always will. Love has had 3 years of tutelage under Rodgers and MlF.

You can’t teach accuracy and arm strength.

Now for those who really will hate
This comment. We do have a qb on this team who should get a chance to play. A proven winner -brought Penn State 24 points down in the big 10 title game to win against Wisconsin, won the Rose Bowl MVP last year… a proven gamer.

I will wait and watch to see how long this organization will go before they realize they made a mistake in 2020.

I truly hooe that I an wrong.

GO PACK!

One reason Love is not getting fan love right now is a 3 interception night. Favre threw 3 or more 14 times as a Packer. Rodgers' otherworldly accuracy may have caused us to forget how many interceptions a QB, a HOF QB, can throw. But.....Love has not done anything to make you think HOF of course.

Decided to check Loves stats. He played three seasons at div1a. His best sea. Pass % 61.2% . Avg. Pass 8.4 yds. 25 interceptions in three 12 game seasons, 17 in his last season
Even though he was a 1 pick, his numbers say 4th rounder.
Love was comfy throwing short passes. He lacked accuracy and tossed a lot of picks either not reading the d or bad throws?
His numbers suggest back up role not starter.
His first five games look exactly like his college stats. Ouch

I agree with most of what was written by the article author and other commenters.
However, I don't agree lack of arm strength is one of Love's issues.

Based on pre draft scouting reports and my own observations, Love's physical traits (arm strength, athleticism, etc) are as good or better than any quarterback in his draft class.

His issues, which were also listed in pre draft scouting, are deep ball accuracy and decision making.

Underthrows are not necessarily an arm strength issue, as they can also be a lack of accuracy.

In the preseason, and in the first two regular season games, he was overthrowing receivers.
I believe he is trying to take juice off his deep balls, and is now under throwing.
He simply can't control his deep ball accuracy.
That, combined with poor decision making that I think is a result of subpar pre snap and post snap mental processing, is limiting his overall effectiveness, to put it mildly.

The fact he doesn't seem to have improved in any of these areas since his college days is alarming, and suggests he probably never will.

In fairness, he should be allowed this season to prove his detractors wrong, but if that doesn't happen, admitting failure and securing the services of another quarterback should be the front office's top priority in the upcoming offseason.

They said today on Cowherd, Loves's pass percentage is the lowest of all qb's through five games at 57.3%. II posted yesterday that his highest percentage in college was 61.2%, So he isnt off that by much.
Love is basically the same guy we drafted three years ago.
His stats say he passed for a lot of short under 10 yard passes, he threw a lot of interceptions and had accuracy issues. That is who he was in college and I see that is who he is now.
I do not blame him for that one bit.
In track, either your fast or you aint and all the practice and conditioning wont make you fast. A little faster yes but fast, no.
Accept that what you see now is who he is and he's not going to get any better so live with it until they replace him.

Good article.
One correction: The tipped pass INT was not the receiver's fault. 0%. That ball should not have been thrown. I will say a lot of the problem (not sure how much) the WRs are not open. WHen they did show a full field view on TV you could usually see that no one was open. So Love's passes are often thrown into tight quarters which leads to a lower completion %. Whereas (as many have pointed out), other teams seem to have plays where WRs are open by 3 yards and its an easy pass. Not sure if this is talent or playcalling but I'm guessing it mostly about having 1 and 2 year WRs / TEs who don't know how to consistently get open. But MLF has to change his playcalling to MAKE (scheme) someone to get open. And Love has to improve his downfield accuracy so DBs will respect it which will open up medium routes. I have to say in the Raiders game, the OLine was decent and running game was decent and the offense as a whole was still horrible. So running game = C+, Passing game is a solid F.