Cory's Corner: Strike While It's Hot

Jordan Love can easily feed quarterback-starved teams. 

Now that we know that Aaron Rodgers is coming back to Green Bay, attention shifts to his backup. 

What do the Packers do with Jordan Love? Granted, his sample size is extremely low and I still roll my eyes at the people that ascertain that he’s already a bust. 

But, the quarterback market is white hot right now. The Washington Commanders just made a trade for Carson Wentz. Now, on the surface, Wentz didn’t look too bad last year. He completed 62 percent of his passes with 27 touchdowns and seven picks. However, in December and January, when the regular season matters the most, Wentz averaged 155 yards, 1.2 touchdowns and 0.4 interceptions a game. 

Who is the next name to fall? None other than Jimmy Garoppolo, who played with a torn thumb ligament in his throwing hand from Week 16 on. Teams are likely intrigued by Garoppolo’s 33-14 career record, but they will be paying a high dollar for a quarterback that has a long injury history.

That’s where the Packers come in. General manager Brian Gutekunst already admitted he made a mistake by trading up in the 2020 NFL Draft to take Love when he gave Rodgers four more years. Now, he needs to act on it. 

Start shopping Love. Teams like Indianapolis, New Orleans, Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh are a quarterback away from a deep playoff run. There’s a reason why quarterbacks are the first dominoes to fall — it’s because that’s the most important position in all of sports. 

Gutekunst may not want to trade Love, but if you can get a couple of second round picks, I say do it. Love will be a lot cheaper than Garoppolo, coupled with a much stronger upside because Love has remained healthy as a pro.

And with an NFL Draft that doesn’t have the quarterback pedigree, risking draft capital on a team that is in win-now mode is asking a lot. 

The toughest sell in all of this is likely Gutekunst. He scouted him out of Utah State. He mined something that could be developed. He obviously really liked what he saw because he gave up draft capital to get a guy that threw 29 picks in his three-year college career. 

I still think Love can be solid. I like how he moves. He has a strong arm. We saw flashes of what he can do in the second half against Kansas City. He just needs to grow into being a leader and being the centerpiece of a team. Those aren’t things you are going to show in a tough road start as a COVID-19 replacement. 

Rodgers just signed a four-year deal. Even if you don’t think Rodgers will play out his contract, holding on to Love at the risk of gaining more assets is bad business. And many of you are probably wondering who the Packers will replace Love as the Packers’ backup. 

There are plenty of answers to that question, but the best one is Tim Boyle. He is a free agent after serving as the backup to Jared Goff in Detroit. Boyle was originally signed by the Packers as an undrafted free agent in 2018 and quickly became a fan favorite. And I guarantee, Rodgers will love bringing Boyle back to the quarterback room. 

Ultimately, the Packers made a mistake by drafting Love. Now it’s time to get something back. 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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HawkPacker's picture

March 12, 2022 at 06:31 am

'Ultimately, the Packers made a mistake by drafting Love. Now it’s time to get something back. ' Sure Cory, as it may turn out, you may be correct. However, we don't know that yet. If you think back, Rodgers played like crap the previous two years. Then they draft Love, and boom Rodgers plays stellar. Yes we had a coaching change, but isn't it possible that drafting Love may have had a part in this? Not sure if anyone knows for sure.

'General manager Brian Gutekunst already admitted he made a mistake by trading up in the 2020 NFL Draft to take Love when he gave Rodgers four more years.' I did not read Gute's admission on making this mistake and I don't believe you did either. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

As far as getting rid of Love and bringing back Boyle? I certainly disagree with that. We need to trust the FO to make the right decision on that matter.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:17 am

Yeah, I have never heard him admit he made a mistake.

"If you think back, Rodgers played like crap the previous two years. Then they draft Love, and boom Rodgers plays stellar." I think Rodgers even surprised the FO with his MVP play.

If drafting Love motivated Rodgers to aspire to play better, I would argue it wasn't a mistake.

I think the smartest choice is to wait until draft day and let QB needy teams come to Gutey. If they feel the pressure to make a move, we're more likely to reap the benefits on draft day. Personally, if I were Jordan Love, I would pray the Colts wanted me. The only problem with that, is if the Colts are only a QB away, why would they want a QB who'll likely take at least one or two more years of development?

The NFL has become a "short-window" model of efficiency. The Bucs and Rams have proven that the last two years. The good thing about human nature for the Packers is: Someone always wants what you have. Hoping Gutey had enough good conversations to lay the ground work at the combine and it can culminate into a draft day trade in which the Packers recoup good value for Jordan Love. I just hope he doesn't end up in Houston. It seems to be a shit-show down there.

If nobody wants to give Gutey his asking price, I would hold on to him. Injuries happen, and if Derek Carr, Matt Ryan, or another starting QB were to go down, Gutey might be able to recoup value that way.

Gutey doesn't have to trade Love unless he wants to. I don't think he wants to. If someone offers him good value before the draft or on draft day, I think that would be ideal for the Packers and Jordan Love as long as it isn't the Texans.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 12, 2022 at 06:43 am

Not unless they get a stud WR or a top-20 draft pick. Anything else, roll with what you got. 38.5 year-old QB? Yeah, a quality back-up still makes sense.

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ricky's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:10 am

Actually, the QB market was white-hot. Then, needy teams started filling their needs with trades. Garoppolo is injury prone, but also a proven commodity who can be a game manager when healthy. Love is still an unknown. That he hasn't been injured is because he has been sitting on the sidelines. What if, for example, Rodgers somehow manages to perform well in the playoffs, and the Packers win a Super Bowl this year. Would Rodgers retire while at the peak? Because if he did, the Packers would not only be cash strapped, but wouldn't have a QB who is familiar with the system and his teammates. What is the cost of keeping Love around? A bit over $3 million a year on the cap. Cheap insurance, just in case.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:07 am

And trading Love before the draft would save the Pack only $ 94,000 on the cap.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:20 am

Some truth in that. Watson may also be back in the mix now, though the failure to indict doesn’t mean there’s insufficient grounds for civil suits, which require a much lower threshold. I’d think a few teams would take that risk now.

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Pizzadoc's picture

March 12, 2022 at 05:41 pm

Agree. Who are these people fantasizing that other teams want Love? He has shown nothing except that the FO doesn't trust him. Who wants that guy? Take a chance on small hands in the draft.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:11 am

Cory, as you stated Jordan Love can be very good QB tomorrow. What if Packers trade him only to see he become HOFer? How stupid than Packers will look?

For all of the fans claiming he is bust, I admit that he can be bust. But, we do not know that for sure. He can turn to be either, HOFer or bust or anything in between.

Second, Brian Gutekunst already turned down some offers for Love, as reported. So, it is likely Packers will keep him. Yes, he needs at least one more year under his belt. And I hope he will show substantial progress.

AR apologists preach patience. I agree Packers should follow that path with Jordan Love. Tom Brady was 6th round pick, Wilson was 4th round pick, even AR was late 1st round pick. Jordan Love came to NFL from small school, where he shows high level talent, before he was left to lead his team under bad conditions regarding game plans of new coach, under achievers at receiving team and with bad OL. Give him some more time before we expect good play from him...

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murf7777's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:24 am

Croat…..what offer(s) did Gutey decline?

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:49 pm

Gute received no offers for anyone, just social calls.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:20 pm

I have not heard of one offer or that he declined an offer for Love....

Of course I don't subscribe to any Croatian Sports pages, so I may be out of touch. ; )

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croatpackfan's picture

March 12, 2022 at 02:50 pm

I believe the most serious offer, as reported was from Commanders. They were offering 2nd round pick this year. I do not remember, but 2 other teams were mentioned. I have to check where I find that info, and if you do not believe, I will search...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 13, 2022 at 04:05 am

I think you will find that some media guy suggested it would make sense, or indicated that his sources told him that WA had approached Gute and expressed interest or even made an offer. I don't believe Gute has confirmed anything, nor have I seen anything from GB media types about it.

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Coldworld's picture

March 13, 2022 at 09:50 am

The Commanders pretty much stated that they had talked to all teams about available QBs. That doesn’t necessarily imply any offers or specifically include Love. No way of knowing either way, though again, some seem certain somehow.

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Duneslick's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:56 pm

You could say any players greenbay cuts or trades could be a HOFer and GB would look stupid.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 12, 2022 at 02:56 pm

And they can also be a bust. Any of them, can't they?

If we are talking about 2nd season players w/o a lot of playing time and playing on trainings with reserves only...

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Coldworld's picture

March 13, 2022 at 09:51 am

Burks can go. I will take that risk.

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stockholder's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:12 am

I agree Cory. Bench warmer - 3 mil. plus in salary, and a 2nd rd. pick = Gone. Our Free Agents are going to test the market. We don't have the money to resign them. . So Campbell will go to Settle. MVS to the Vikings. Douglas to the Lions. And throw in a couple more Leaving. Gute can't change their thinking. But he can change the future with the LOVE picks/&/ Comp picks. AS MUCH AS WR sets his draft. The defense is going to need new players. I doubt they pay Lowrey. And the hole is always at LB. So my hope is that they get as many 2nd rd. picks as possible. And just forget about that option year.

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murf7777's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:22 am

3M salary isn’t a problem. Do you think they will get a competent back-up QB for less?

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stockholder's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:40 am

If Rodgers goes down. The season is over. You still have to have money for your draft picks. Gamble - Trade him. He's too much of a project. LeFluer knows he's a Robot!

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:00 pm

If Rodgers goes down for a few games, now they’ve done what they have, they can’t afford to just throw in the towel. They have to do everything they can to get into the post season. And they have to do that without blowing scarce cap . Getting rid of Love only makes sense if they can find a cap neutral better option. Too much money on winning it all this year to go in with less behind Rodgers.

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stockholder's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:17 am

What makes you think they can't get another Quality QB later in the draft?

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:07 am

To start in year one?

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egbertsouse's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:15 am

Two second rounders?! Hahahahahahaha! That’s rich. What did they get for Gumby Hundley? A 6th rounder ? That should be your benchmark .

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murf7777's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:27 am

Depending on what is offered this is a very tough decision. The Packers know best what potential Love has so they have an upper hand from our thoughts.

You never know what a GM will give for an unproven, with upside QB. Unless your in your 20’s, we all remember Ron Wolf trading for Brett Favre giving up a 1st round draft pick for an unproven QB. One that Atlanta wanted to send down the road because, he was 20lbs overweight due to a terrible diet, drank way to much, showed up late for meetings and didn’t know the playbook. One who had 4 passes and 2INT to show the league. Wolf had a crush on Favre and you never know if someone has the same for Love.

We still don’t know what Rodgers contract will look like. If the Packers are pretty certain he will be with them for 3 years then Love will go thru his contract without possibly playing another regular season down or enough meaningful downs to show the league his potential value.

I’d say if a 1st round draft pick is offered, especially a high one, you have to strongly considered trading him, anything less I don’t think they will or should IF they like his potential. If they don’t like his potential, Ala Atlanta with Favre, you get what you can for him. If the Packers feel Love gives them the best chance to win, if Rodgers goes down, you keep him. I doubt any of us know what the Packers feel about his potential. Some on this site have written Love off, but that is premature thinking.

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Savage57's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:28 am

The Packers were able to get a Rd1 QB. After having his rookie year wiped out by Covid, he's had basically one game in one season. It's too early to tell what they have.

Keep him as the backup at least one more year.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 12, 2022 at 09:29 am

Spot on, Savage!

Given the Rodgers pendulum that is his personality, he could announce his retirement after the 2022 season. And then there is the injury concern.

I want to see what Clements can do working with Love. I think he will love Love as his student.

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dobber's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:47 am

I agree with you: I don't think the market will be there for Love this spring. Unless they're convinced they can do better by trade or draft, the best plan is to bring him back and turn him loose in preseason. They need to showcase him and let him sling it. Build his confidence so he's a better in house option and create some demand on the market if #12 decides to hang out more than two years.

...but hanging on for 2022 means a tough call on his 5th year option is coming.

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Bure9620's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:33 am

I want to see the exact details of Rodgers contract first...Andrew Brandt could be correct...a one year bridge to try and win a Super Bowl blefore they transition to Love.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:17 am

I’m starting to wonder why we haven’t seen Rodgers sign or other movement on the contracts of others. Could it be that they didn’t in fact have all their ducks in a row?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:40 am

Me too CW!

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HawkPacker's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:45 am

I would bet he is waiting for Adams to sign the extension.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:48 am

Possible, but there is a fair chance Adams won’t sign one since they weren’t close before. Unless Rodgers is holding us to ransom, the Packers have until July to reach a long term deal and surely planned for the eventuality that Adams wasn’t signed at the start of the league year.

One would assume that they have a plan ready for getting under the cap without him having signed. It could just be timing with Rodgers personal life, but that seems questionable after this long. Could there be hiccups on other details like Cobb or Crosby etc., is Rodgers holding out for more pieces to be happy?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:47 pm

I just wrote this 10 minutes ago on Gil's article about Tonyan. Maybe I should start with the oldest article on the front page instead of the article at the top.

The contracts/cap situation should be resolved by Monday when the legal tampering period begins. GB can't really tamper if they don't know how much room they have.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 03:48 pm

With whom would we be tampering? That’s normally high priced FAs to be. We can talk to our own anyway.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 13, 2022 at 04:08 am

GB can talk to its own but can't make an offer in good faith without knowing if they will have the space. Teams never renege on a handshake deal.

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Coldworld's picture

March 13, 2022 at 09:58 am

Yes, thanks for the clarification. Sadly I don’t see us being active or competitive in the first week unless we have a much more serious reckoning than would make sense after retaining Rodgers. Ultimately, our only hope may be that no team bites early. We are going to gain a lot of insight into the comparability to last season very soon.

One would think Rodgers would have wanted to sign as soon as possible to maximize their flexibility in FA and therefore the prospects for the best roster outcome. Puzzling.

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dobber's picture

March 13, 2022 at 10:03 am

The lack of movement in general (and, yeah, I've said this a couple times now), whether it's on ARod or any of the supporting pieces that need to be adjusted to get out of the red, is absolutely puzzling.

I don't think any of it bodes well for the team.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:41 am

Keep Jordan Love.

Its just that simple.

Tom Clements was brought in for a reason. Giving AR neck rubs is NOT that reason.

TC is in GB to teach and mentor Love just as he did AR in his early years. BG is going to give Love every opportunity to follow in the gb QB tradition and rightfully so. Loves NFL career has been a shit show due to pandemic related issues and being brought in behind a temperamental diva superstar aging perrenial all-pro future hall of fame QB. Not an easy road to walk and yet he has performed better than AR did in his first couple years.

Remember the friction between AR and BF? I do. Have you seen any of that with AR and JL? I havent. Credit to both AR and JL for finding a way to make the QB room work.

It would be absolutely STOOPID to ship Jordan love out of gb now. End of story! (In my best Tony Soprano voice)

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JohnnyLogan's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:47 am

I gave you a thumbs up, but the argument that keeps getting thrown out, that Love has "performed better than AR did in his first couple years" isn't convincing or indicative of anything. Rodgers was clearly far better than Love at that stage in their careers. His college resume towered over anything Love had done. Against top-ranked USC, with the greatest defense in the country, he threw 23 straight completions. Hard to even imagine that.
Meanwhile, Love has shown he throws interceptions at an unsustainable rate. That's about all he's shown. I don't see the zip in his throws that you could see with Rodgers, even back then.

Keep him or ship him out, I don't have an opinion, but I do have an opinion when it comes to their talent level -- Love is not, and likely will never be, even close to Rodgers.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:55 pm

I’m curious, what were you saying about Rodgers after year 2? At that point, it’s arguable that Rodgers had shown less than Love has, certainly not much more and seemed injury prone.

I remember his real first game well. He came on in the third quarter, committed three turnovers: his first career interception and losing two fumbles. That was as a rookie, the next year he played a few more times. After his first two seasons Rodgers record was (mop up duty is included in both):

5 appearances, going 15 of 31 for 111 yards and 0 touchdowns. He had 1 interception and a quarterback rating of 43.9.

Love, by contrast:

has appeared in 6 games at this point. He is 36 of 62 for 411 yards. He had 2 touchdowns, 3 interceptions, and a 68.7 quarterback rating.

I’d say that there’s very little justification for claiming that there was an obvious difference in performance or potential at the same point in their careers, statistically and having watched both. They are, in my opinion, remarkably comparable overall statistically, and we’re to watch. Its probably also worth noting that Rodgers had had an extra preseason and had run the PS for 2 years not 1 year.

So what were you saying back then?

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Johnblood27's picture

March 12, 2022 at 05:06 pm

College statistics JORDAN LOVE
Season Team Passing Rushing
Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD
2017 Utah State 129 235 54.9 1,631 6.9 8 6 119.3 46 165 3.6 2
2018 Utah State 267 417 64.0 3,567 8.6 32 6 158.3 43 63 1.5 7
2019 Utah State 293 473 61.9 3,402 7.2 20 17 129.1 81 175 2.2 0
Career[13] 689 1,125 61.2 8,600 7.6 60 29 137.9 170 403 2.4 9

College statistics AARON RODGERS
Season Team Passing Rushing
Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD
2003 California 215 349 61.6 2,903 8.3 19 5 146.6 86 210 2.4 5
2004 California 209 316 66.1 2,566 8.1 24 8 154.4 74 126 1.7 3
Career[2] 424 665 63.8 5,469 8.2 43 13 150.3 160 336 2.10 8

Loves best season, his Junior year is actually better than either of Rodgers 2 years at the NCAA Div1 level - a 158.3 QB rating!!!

Loves college career stats dwarf Rodgers if you leave out Rodgers Butte Community College stats (Hahahahahahaha)

Too bad Love had a shit show at Utah State his senior season or he would have been looooooong gone before the Packers pick in the draft.

Cry all you want Rodgers sycophants, Jordan love is a legit prospect and has been just fine for his role behind Rodgers thus far in his career. I have faith that he can become a pretty darn good NFL QB, especially in MLF's offense with the supporting cast he will have in GB.

It was a GBP franchise FO mistake NOT taking the Broncos offer.

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PhantomII's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:01 pm

AR learned from #4 to not throw picks. Hopefully, Love has learned to throw to "ANY" open receiver from AR. " JUST MOVE THE CHAINS" from TB12. Then he could really be something. We can only hope.

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Bure9620's picture

March 15, 2022 at 02:52 pm

I agree here. There is no way around it, if the Packers Do not win a Super Bowl this all a completely waste. Waste of a contract and 1st round pick. I also agree Love is a legit prospect, this kid just has to play and practice. Not told on a Wednesday that Rodgers has Covid and he is starting Sunday.......Had the Packers done a deal for Rodgers and hit on these picks they could have opened a new window sooner, as soon as 2023. I now don't see how there are not rough years ahead, A.R.E. (after the Rodgers era).

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:58 pm

I don't think it is stupid: it depends on what is offered. For pick 40 this year, I'd wave to Love on the way out. A guy at pick 40 could start and help in 2022 and 2023. The cap likely would be improved since guys on rookie contracts are cheap. The new player will be cheaper than Love longer now that GB has had Love for two seasons already.

I don't know what Love will become. The guy at 40 could be Jenkins or Josh Jackson. I will be okay with whatever direction Gute takes here since he and the coaches watch Love in practice, though this is a deep draft, so I fully expect there to be a player I really, really like at 40. Maybe not at 55 or 60, though I probably will like someone in that area.

If it is pick 90, there usually aren't guys I really like that late, just guys I think are really good bets. Justin Simmons and Lucas Niang were guys I coveted who were still on the board into the end of the third round. IDK: QB is so important, so if it is a late third, I'd probably be okay either way.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:07 am

I’m not averse to trading Love if the right offer were to be made, but in an all in season with an older QB, we need a backup at least as good or better, and that may cost more than we can pay.

There’s a lot of opinion on who Love is and will be. That’s all BS, since we really don’t know and can’t. The Packers have to make a call on whether they can find a similarly affordable alternative who can be a more effective placeholder than Love. They are the only ones who are in a position to determine what that really means.

Unless Benkert was a steal among steals, the key is not wasting more cap for less this year. When it comes to back up QB, Love may be more valuable here at this point if Rodgers goes down.

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dobber's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:58 am

They've got four days to get back in the black, which includes Adams' tag value. ARod has--by all reports--not signed any new contract to reduce his hit. No other contract adjustments or cuts have been made. This is coming down to the wire. Jordan Love is the least of the Packers' worries.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:22 am

The why of that is the not beautiful, but perhaps should be the beguiling, mystery.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 12, 2022 at 02:05 pm

Thumbs up. But it is just for the correct use of averse. I don't disagree with the football stuff, either.

I don't really think the market is hot for guys who haven't shown much in an NFL game yet. I don't remember being overly impressed by Love in the KC game. I saw what I saw when he was a prospect. There is a market for guys who were drafted high for several years unless and until they really show they can't play in the NFL. I actually think the market is kind of saturated with QBs who have shown a decent amount of ability to play in the NFL but who aren't good enough to be a franchise QB (short of a new system or QB whisperer really coaxing production out of them).

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beautiful_mystery's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:23 am

I would definitely NOT trade Love. Could you imagine how Aaron "Charles in Charge" Rodgers (1980s sitcom) would treat the FO and Packer fan base then?

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:51 am

Never say never. The right price and I’d consider it. I just don’t see that price being offered at this point, but it only takes one team.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:46 am

True Cold, understandable. My decision has more to do with my diminishing trust in Aaron and boredom of having to read between the lines with his communication made public. I have no idea was is or isn't being said behind the scenes but selfishly...me being a Packer fan...am more concerned with the Packer Brand and protecting it as best I am able to. With that, I prefer moving forward with J Love at QB. I definitely understand I am probably in the minority, but that is okay.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:07 pm

I’m not sure that that is the minority view, or at least the view that retaining Rodgers is a high cost, high risk gamble. If it is, it’s certainly a sizable minority (including myself). That said, Love is a back up at this point and some team could make a trade worthwhile, there’s always a price worth accepting for a back up, although I’m not convinced it is very likely at this point.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 12, 2022 at 03:29 pm

There is a lot of articles who could be interested in Love, starting with Saints, Steelers, than after Wentz trade, Colts, Panthers, also Seahawks....

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 03:56 pm

I saw an article stating that Rodgers has signed a new contract too, that he was going to Denver …. skepticism is healthy, at this time if the year particularly.

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Pizzadoc's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:15 pm

Duplicate

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Pizzadoc's picture

March 12, 2022 at 07:15 pm

Fantasy

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MemphoMike's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:24 am

I agree with Hawk on some of your "assumptive facts" in this piece. I've yet to hear any formal statement from Gutey that Love was a mistake.....assuming AR's resigning is a statement by Gutey is not factual. Timing is Gutey's challenge, who would have expected AR's MVP level play after Love was drafted? He did what any sane GM would do after these past two MVP seasons, he resigned his franchise QB. But that's not admitting to a mistake, that's doing your job as a sensible GM. I'm actually on the side of keeping Love.

IMO, I don't see AR playing thru all four years of his contract. If he's gone after two years, there's not a deep QB draft class this year, so that leaves us with drafting a starter ready QB in 2023 or making another brilliant "Favre trade" with another team. That's a big ask......I'll take my chances with keeping Love and continuing his further development.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 12, 2022 at 09:09 am

Of course this article is click bait, but those people wanting to trade Love crack me up! That he is a bust, or let's try getting anywhere from a 5th round pick to a 2nd round pick. Yea, the Packers gave up a 1st and a 4th to acquire him. Now he has two full years of experience under his belt and let's take a major loss on him. To make matters even worse let's not have anyone else as a back up QB, so then we can go rent a bad back up QB for over $5,000,000 more than we are paying Love a year. Yea, we are going all in this year but we don't want a back-up QB to plug in and play should we need him for two or six games to give ourselves an opportunity to win till Rodgers gets back. Thank God none of you have zilch to do with decision making for the Packers.

Love costs $3.77 million right now and the average cost for a viable NFL journeyman back-up QB in today's market is over $8 million.

Yes, let's trade Love...knee jerk reaction! Let's further screw the future of the Packers in so many ways. Any trade would need to be very favorable to the Packers in my opinion so hard to envision anyone willing to give up what it would require. Love remains in GB as their insurance policy and heir apparent once Rodgers is gone.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 12, 2022 at 03:39 pm

If we are just dealing with 2022 and perhaps 2023 (the window), can Love win an NFL game if AR misses a game or three? IDK.

Is Love better able to win a game during the window than UFAs Tim Boyle, Geno Smith ($987K cap #), Trevor Siemian, Colt McCoy, Blaine Gabbert, or Mike Glennon? All of them played for less than $2M last year and probably would be less than $1.5M. Just in the window, would GB field a better team with Love or with (insert QB Name and insert rookie drafted in the 2nd round)? My answer is probably the latter since all of those QBs save Boyle have won NFL games in the past and I think Gute is a good bet to draft someone who can play. So far, Gute has taken Myers, Dillon and Jenkins in round two. Prior results don't guarantee future results.

I believe Knock is thinking long-term. So was I when I thought trading AR for 2 firsts, 2 seconds and two (or 3?) guys who can play was the right thing to do. Knock and I probably don't disagree. But the Packers Front Office has made a choice, and it is short-term. The die is cast, so to speak. Yes, trading Love would realize a "loss" but trading him might mitigate it to the extent of a 2nd rounder rather than having it be a complete loss. Know when to hold them and all that.

Should the FO try to have its cake and eat it too (= keep Love for the future at the expense of the present)? Arguably, yes, because QB is such an important position and trying to fill it can take many years and many high picks. They liked Love enough to trade up, but what do they see so far and how do they project him now? IDK. That said, Love perhaps can help in the present as well. Fans don't know, and at least this one doesn't.

I am okay with whichever way the FO and coaches decide to go with Love.

[Skip this if TL/DR is an issue as GB has no money anyway but I spent time looking at stats and contracts: $8M QBs last year were Cam Newton (5-2), and Nick Foles (only played one game, a win versus Seattle in which he completed 68% of his passes for 250 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, put up 25 points and had a 98.5 passer rating). Guys in the $5M to $5.5M area are Tyrod Taylor, Jameis Winston and Jacoby Brisset.]

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gsd3's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:47 am

I was in the "hoping to trade AR" camp. After the upcoming season the packers braintrust will have to decide on Love's option, which will be nearly $20 million. By trading AR, they would have additional high draft picks and an opportunity to reload rather than rebuild. Would also have a realistic chance of getting the cap under control moving forward rather than just pushing it down the road. Since the chance to see whether Love can be a viable starter has evaporated in GB, why not consider trading him? Exercising the option without knowing would be lunacy. If a team were to offer say a 2nd and a 5th or a 3rd and 4th, they should pull the trigger. People have to remember that in AR's first live action against the Ravens, he looked horrible. Later against Dallas you could see he was a real player. Is Love a real player? Nobody knows yet.

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DTowleJr's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:52 am

Cory, and a few commenters here, are stating facts not yet put in evidence.

We do not know the details of an Aaron Rodgers contract because there is no Aaron Rodgers contract. All we know for certain is that Rodgers is coming back... for how much, and for how long is NOT yet known. When word comes down from the front office or from Aaron Rodgers himself, then you can start writing articles with as many suppositions as necessary. Until then, these are merely hypothetical word exercises.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 12, 2022 at 04:39 pm

Well, isn't this little corner of the internet the home of "hypothetical word exercises"?

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Michael Nault's picture

March 12, 2022 at 09:20 am

They made a mistake signing the Drama Queen.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:09 am

Cory, when did Gutey admit he made a mistake drafting Love? That is not reporting, that is stating an opinion and presenting it as fact.

Gutey is not interested in trading Love per Gutey. Just a few weeks ago he was telling reporters he is “very doubtful” the organization would take a trade call for the young quarterback.

Now, if a team in the top 10 of the first round were willing to trade their pick....take that call. I am "very doubtful" that will happen.

Plus, the Pack is not short on cash to absorb Love's $3+ M contract. They are short of cap space and trading Love would save them only $94K under the SC if traded before the draft.

I am very pleased Gutey did not listen to the fans who called Gary a "bust" after his first year...he won't listen the the trade Love crowd this time either.

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stockholder's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:26 am

"when he gave Rodgers four more years." Please re-read it again!

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:54 pm

Yes, this was all about Love from the beginning. He’s really Gute’s lost love child. In other news, Donald Driver bought a place in Milwaukee and will be returning to show Rodgers how to dance really well.

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Oppy's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:58 pm

Tim effining Boyle? Are you serious?

Did you see Tim Boyle play QB last year?

Who cares that he was a "fan favorite"? Here's a news flash, Tim Boyle never showed he had anywhere close to NFL level accuracy, but all those fans thought otherwise. Sometimes, fans are wrong. I don't care about fan favorite.

And who on god's green earth gives a rat's ass if bringing Boyle back would make Aaron Rodgers happy or not?

Tim effing Boyle.. GTFOWTS.

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marpag1's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:40 am

LOL!! When I read the suggestion to go get Tim Boyle, I laughed so hard I almost crapped my pants. But nonsensical statements like that are par for the course in this little "corner" of the internet.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 12, 2022 at 04:37 pm

Does that hard laughter/near soiling yourself scenario happen often, marpag? I'm not judging you in any way, but seems like that could make for some anxiety-filled social situations and awkward moments; movie theaters come to mind. "Oh, no, sorry, we can't go see the new comedy down at the Bijou with you, marpag has his, you know, his condition..."

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:01 pm

I took that as a tongue-in-cheek joke. I hope so, if it wasn’t then, well, discretion prevails.

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Oppy's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:58 pm

I apologize for my foul language. I edited it now.

I just lost my got.damned.mind. for a moment there.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 04:00 pm

You boyled over?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 13, 2022 at 04:47 am

GB saw something in Boyle, enough to give him all the second team reps in practice instead of to their first round pick. HC LaFleur made that decision, and everyone associated with it got promotions, albeit elsewhere. I am not too surprised Boyle wasn't good enough to generate wins for a bad team. Hockenson missed two of Boyle's three starts. Josh Reynolds missed one of the three games Boyle started and was ineffective coming back from an injury in another game. DeAndre Swift missed one of three and got just 4 rushing attempts coming back from injury in a second game. Quintez Cephes missed all three games Boyle started, not that he's a dynamo. Khailiff Raymond missed one of the three.

GB saw something in Love. At least the scouts did.

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Oppy's picture

March 13, 2022 at 03:36 pm

I can't tell you what GB saw in Boyle, but I can tell you what I saw.

Boyle's presence in the pocket was impressive for a young player. He had a feel for blindside pressure but did not get happy feet. He stood tall in the pocket and rarely let pressure prematurely affect him.

Boyle has an NFL strong arm. There's no question he can tear the stitches off the ball. He can throw the big hail mary and can sling the proverbial frozen rope.

Those two things alone made him an attractive developmental prospect. However, he also showcased sub-par accuracy during his time in Green Bay, and iffy footwork.. something most GB fans didn't want to hear. He throws balls in the general vicinity of WRs, but he never showed he could place the ball with consistency. Positional placement of the ball to fit the situation is part of NFL-level QB'ing, and Boyle didn't have that. It's what led to his poor performances last year in Detroit. Bad throws.

As far as Boyle getting the #2 snaps vs. Love: Boyle was picked up in 2018. He had two full OTA's, training camps, and preseasons under his belt when Jordan Love was drafted. Preseason was canceled in Jordan Love's rookie season (covid).

Of course Boyle was the #2 ahead of Love in 2020. He had two full years in the system.

Lastly, there's a reason after having eyes on Tim Boyle for three full seasons that the Packers did not place a tender on Boyle to help retain him past his impending restricted free agency in 2021. They decided to let him go.

I think Tim Boyle is still a developmental QB prospect. He has qualities that are attractive, but his accuracy and consistency issues are a problem that haven't seemingly been solved in his 4 years in the league. He's a guy who you are very happy with running scout team at this point, but you shouldn't want to see on the field.

Why in the world would anyone suggest re-signing a back up QB who your team spent 3 years developing, decided you didn't want to keep around for a 4th year, who then went on to showcase the reasons you didn't feel comfortable keeping him in the first place when he was given the chance to play siginificant snaps in the NFL?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 14, 2022 at 02:09 am

Oppy, please consider what an uphill climb and how strong one's back has to be to print a defense of Tim Boyle!

Tim Boyle earned $2.4M in Detroit. GB rolled over $2.9M in cap space. Had Preston Smith gotten one more sack, GB would have been in the negative. A more cynical thought also obtrudes: placing a tender on Boyle would have raised eyebrows about how the FO felt about Love.

This isn't a hill I want to fight for. No question that GB let him go. No question that a GM paid $2.4M for him, albeit it was Detroit's GM. And there is no serious question that Boyle played poorly in 2022 in the three games he started.

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Oppy's picture

March 14, 2022 at 07:20 pm

Your first sentence elicited a true Laugh Out Loud!

Cap space is a great point. I am not looking forward to many more years of the cap being razor thin.

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Swisch's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:06 am

The nightmare is watching Love ascend while Rodgers declines.
It's tough to tell, but I think Jordan Love can be a top-ten quarterback in the NFL.
Already he's shown a good arm and good mobility. He fights through adversity during a game. He seems to have some of the look of Josh Allen and Dak Prescott.
What's more he's been a class act of quietly going about his business when many fans are upset about the Packers drafting him in the first place.
Oh, how I wish Love was our quarterback going into next season!
Just to be free of Aaron Rodgers dwelling on himself in public would be such a relief. Even better would be knowing that our team wasn't under the thumb of an arrogant and controlling jerk with delusions of grandeur about himself, but with a poor track record in the playoffs as far as the reality of leading a team to victory.
Would that we shop Rodgers around to other teams rather than Love. It could still happen to save the Packers and their fans the continuing misery of a manipulative and domineering jerk as the face of our franchise.
The thought of his ongoing pretentions is almost unbearable. Please, rid ourselves of Rodgers!!!

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:40 am

To me the fear is doing what Atalanta did with Favre. He was seen as so lacking in promise that his HC stated he would have never seen the field again while rejoicing over fleecing the Packers after the trade. The comparisons between DB Kevin Smith that they took with that pick while Favre became arguably the face of football for a decade left them the butt of jokes for years.

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HawkPacker's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:46 am

Agreed. And that is why we leave these decisions up to the FO. They know what we have with Love a lot better than we know.

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Swisch's picture

March 12, 2022 at 05:52 pm

I've been a big backer of Gute and LaFleur aside from them groveling to Aaron Rodgers.
I could see them more so last offseason accommodating Rodgers and accepting from him some swipes at their dignity.
This offseason, though, it seems that they both wimped out big time in wanting to continue to take the abuse from Rodgers. It's embarrassing for them to sink so low, and miserable for me.
However, that doesn't take away from the many good things that Gute and LaFleur have done with the Packers in other areas of the team.
I'm hopeful they'll evaluate Love correctly and make appropriate decisions.
However, while it's good to listen to what the experts have to say, we are continually reminded in life that the experts can make huge mistakes.
They are only human, after all, and loads of knowledge doesn't necessarily equate with wisdom.
I've learned over the years that it's actually the smart people who can do the most harm, especially if they lose touch with humility (which is to lose touch with reality).
It's really the good people who make life better for others, even if they aren't quite as talented.

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Swisch's picture

March 12, 2022 at 06:41 pm

The comparison to Favre is fascinating.
He may have seemed much less promising at that time in the early 1990s than Love does now in the early 2020s.
My impression is that Favre may have been a goof-off with the Falcons who was drinking too much beer.
I wasn't thinking about Favre when I made my original comment above, but I was thinking that Love may turn out to be more than just a solid quarterback in the NFL.
There are enough positive signs associated with Love even this early in his career that I'm concerned he could indeed become a successful quarterback but with another team.
How much would that hurt if Rodgers lets us down again in some way or another?
P.S. One possibility to avoid such a sad outcome would be to keep Love for another season. Then, next season either Love or Rodgers would go.
[murf has a good comment above about Favre as an apparent failure during his days with the Falcons.]

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jhtobias's picture

March 12, 2022 at 11:48 am

Corey I respect and will continue to read your articles you do a great job . I differ on this Jordan Love Article.

Reasons : First and foremost we have no idea what Aaron Rodgers contract looks like . Does it it lock him in for just this season or 2 or 3 years ? Only Aaron and the Packers know this .

Jordan Love can't be judged on way or another regardless of what Twitter or the Dolts on Nfl Live etc say . He at this point could be an All Pro an Bust a Back up Average Starter etc. Only thing we know is he can't beat out the back to back MVP. Well who can ?

No reason to trade him unless you get a young stud on a rookie contract or a first round pick (Which will never happen) . What is the upside for the packers trading him right now for anything less. Is a 2nd round pick gonna help them win a super bowl ?

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dobber's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:15 pm

"First and foremost we have no idea what Aaron Rodgers contract looks like . Does it it lock him in for just this season or 2 or 3 years ? Only Aaron and the Packers know this ."

I'm starting to wonder if even THEY know what it looks like...

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jhtobias's picture

March 12, 2022 at 12:31 pm

That is a fair point lol . I hope so because legal tampering begins 12:01 Monday morning

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:05 pm

At least we know what his current contract looks like: don’t get me excited about tampering :)

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:40 pm

First, a fun fact - since Love was drafted he has as many playoff wins as Rodgers.

Secondly, the FO has a tendency of hanging on to their personnel one (or more) years too long - whether it be GMs, Coaches or Players. In this case, it should augur well for Love.

Thirdly, the Packers are in need of a backup QB who can step-in for Rodgers should he not be able to start. This becomes more of a possibility as Rodgers becomes more susceptible to injuries because of his age (like a little toe). So Love is the best choice.

Fourthly, a final grade on Love is not possible until he plays a number of games. Like 3 yr. old thoroughbreds vying for the Kentucky Derby - he/they may be capable of vast improvements over a relatively short period of time/games.

Fifthly - he's cheap. And because of the team's contorted salary cap - that's very important.

So in short, there should be no hot iron to strike.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 12, 2022 at 04:54 pm

You must use the same fact checker as Corey.

Rodgers engineered a playoff win over the Rams on Jan 16 2021 before bowing out to the Bucs in the NFCCG.

Love has Zero playoff wins after being drafted in the 2020 draft.

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Swisch's picture

March 12, 2022 at 06:12 pm

Good catch, Johnblood27, plus Love may have been on the roster when Rodgers led the Packers to a playoff victory over the Seahawks a couple of years back.
On the other hand, in defense of Alberta_Packer, Love has been much less of a headache than Rodgers. In other words, the last one or two playoff victories by Rodgers have come with the high price of his melodramatic manipulations.
For me at least, it would be a huge relief to have Rodgers move his histrionics to another town and not have him as the face of our franchise. It's actually painful to be reminded about Rodgers.
I may not have the most exciting of lives, but I could do without the latest speculations about whether or not Rodgers is happy about any given development. Indeed, I think I'd be significantly much happier to focus on other players among the Packers, or even other aspects of my own ordinary existence.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 12, 2022 at 06:22 pm

Technically, Love was on the roster, so he won too... Just saying.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 13, 2022 at 09:22 am

soooo, analogously, every pitcher on a baseball team gets a win when the team wins?

Noooooo

The starting Pitcher, or QB, gets credit for the win or loss in the game.

Sports and statistics, they have been around for a long time...

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 13, 2022 at 12:14 pm

It seems to have been a tongue in cheek remark.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 12, 2022 at 09:11 pm

I forgot about that game because it wasn't an NFC title game victory or a SB appearance - meaning the last 3 years have still remained a bridge too far for Rodgers.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 12, 2022 at 01:14 pm

I guarantee you, if Rodgers is injured and unable to play, our backup QB is going to be worth a helluva more than any second round draft pick.

Second, why wouldn't Love have even more value after another year of internship, weightlifting, coaching, film study, practice, exhibitions, etc.?

Third, what if after this season Rodgers says "I'm done"? Or maybe he says he'll play one more year. What's the plan then? Sure would be nice to have Love on the roster then, wouldn't it?

In short, Love is insurance AND an investment asset at the same time. Again, much more valuable than some second round draft pick.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 12, 2022 at 05:06 pm

Para 1: depends on the 2nd rd. pick and on Love.
Para 2: Because we've seen him play.
Para 3: Eh, maybe, maybe not. Final answer is probably.
Para 4:

IDK if Love is a full replacement cost ins. policy or ACV subject to low limits. As an investment, if he doesn't play in regular season games, he is a depreciating asset as his value goes down while GB eats up more of his cheap rookie contract value through inactivity. But perhaps Love's value can appreciate due to good showings in preseason games against vanilla defensive schemes and backups, or he gets multiple starts in regular season games and shows he can play in the NFL.

[True story: went to the bank yesterday to try to get a higher interest rate than one tenth of one percent, and was told they could give me 3 tenths of one percent if I gave them bundles of dough and agreed to tie the money up for various lengths of time. Telling them that inflation is running 6% or so, about 20 times their best offer, left the bank official unmoved. Found 5 tenths of one percent online. So, not knowing what to do, most likely I will let inertia reign and do squat. Guarantees are only as good as the entity issuing the guarantee. FDIC is pretty good, but my life insurance company, Liberty Life, went into receivership a while back and is being administered by Protective Life, so I have been even more afraid to keel over than I was before (well, maybe not more afraid, but you get the idea). My youngest turns 22 soon so I don't need that old term life policy anyway.]

I had some snarkier lines that I omitted since one can't convey tone in print so well, but I amused myself just thinking them. 😂 IDK what is best to do with Love. I offer no guarantees in favor of keeping Love or how well Gute would do with any draft pick he got for Love.

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Swisch's picture

March 12, 2022 at 06:31 pm

Even though it seems we disagree about the Packers in many cases, TGR, I'd be glad to have you around here at CHTV for a long time. Eat healthy and get in some walks.
I think it's worth seeing if Love can approach the high level of Josh Allen, a quarterback who seemed kind of iffy not so long ago.
Gee, with Allen turning out so well, the Bills may be able to attract other top talent to Buffalo, even though (like Green Bay) it's probably not a great vacation destination for jet setters like Aaron Rodgers.
In other words, maybe, just maybe, there will still be good times for the Packers after Rodgers moves his attitude on to sunnier climes.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 13, 2022 at 05:10 am

Well, thank you. I am happy to have you on CHTV and I read your comments.

I am not anti-Love. I went to a practice last year. I saw a live and strong arm. I saw good agility. His footwork looked improved. There are things to like and reasons to retain him.

I was for trading AR, so I am not against Love being the heir apparent. The FO has gone all-in, so perhaps the present should be maximized is all that I meant. Perhaps Love can win some games if AR misses a couple of games. IDK.

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Spock's picture

March 14, 2022 at 03:18 pm

TGR, I had a similar experience with my bank last year. Somehow getting a 75 cent "interest" on an average of $40K in my checking account seemed to be, uh, underwhelming. He wouldn't budge either. I finally asked if being a client for 20 years could at least give me a break on my safety deposit box (it's a large box & costs over $300 per year). They gave me a "one time" refund for that year for the box rental. So at least I got that, lol.

Edit: My keyboard locked up before I could finish this comment. Changed batteries w/o any luck. Finally ended up rebooting the whole computer. :(

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Swisch's picture

March 12, 2022 at 06:20 pm

Good stuff, Leatherhead.
Plus, even with Rodgers under contract, we can still trade him at any time if we find a taker. Next week would be best, but after this upcoming season may be an option worth exploring.
In any case, if Love can hang in there one more season as a backup, we do well to keep him with the Packers.
Let's hope that Packers management not only coaches up Love, but gives him lots of encouragement.

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Jack_Vainisi's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:01 pm

Love cost a fourth rounder to move up a few spots in late round one as a somewhat a developmental prospect. It was a reasonable risk in those circumstances rather than wait until they're desperate and have to give up a boatload of high picks to draft a QB who would still be a risk.

They need to see more of what they have with Love in the 2022 preseason and, if necessary, in the regular season before they try to trade him.

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Rebecca's picture

March 12, 2022 at 08:07 pm

Keep Love. He’s a good project and knows the system. So far he’s a good investment, I just wish he had that attitude that a gamer has. Like Tyler Huntley.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 12, 2022 at 10:03 pm

Trade Love for Taylor Heinicke or Ty Huntley.

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PatrickGB's picture

March 13, 2022 at 10:31 am

It takes two to trade.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 13, 2022 at 10:16 pm

True

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