Cory's Corner: Still Waiting For Clarity

We don't have all the details when it comes to Aaron Rodgers. 

In this day and age we expect information to be at our fingertips instantaneously. One of my professors liked to say, “we like things hot, fast, now and my way.”

That is the biggest frustration with Aaron Rodgers’ story. When you boil it down, we hardly know anything. 

First of all, we don’t know why this story broke the day of the NFL Draft. ESPN’s Adam Schefter has justified breaking the story then by saying it was an “accumulation of information.” So basically, nothing really was broken wide open, Schefter just desperately wanted to be first. And it was a mere coincidence that it “broke” on one of the biggest days of the NFL calendar. 

Second, we don’t know what kind of a relationship Rodgers has with the Packers. Does he only respect coach Matt LaFLeur or does Rodgers have a rift with the power trio of Packers president Mark Murphy, general manager Brian Gutekunst or LaFLeur? We have known for awhile that Rodgers doesn’t forget a thing and holds more grudges than your aunt Gertrude. Rodgers clearly didn’t like the Jordan Love draft pick. “Was I bummed out?” said Rodgers on the “Ten Questions With Kyle Brandt” podcast. “Of course.Who wouldn’t be? I want to play my entire career in Green Bay. I love the city. I grew up there. Really, I got there when I was 21, and I’m 36 now. A lot changes during that time.”

Third, we don’t even know if Love can play. Love spent his entire rookie season on the inactive list after being beat out for the backup job by Tim Boyle. The Packers had an entire season of practices to see if Love could play. Obviously, they still don’t think Love can play this year or else the Packers wouldn’t be so firm about not trading Rodgers. 

Fourth, what really happened with Rodgers’ contract situation? Rodgers has a cap hit of $37.2 million this year, yet he is due $0 of guaranteed money in 2022 and 2023. Rodgers may not want the richest contract in league history, he just wants to be respected and if he got some guaranteed money after this season, that would go a long way to healing some wounds. 

This situation has been very strange because we still haven’t heard from the two actors. Ever since Schefter made that tweet April 29, the Packers nor Rodgers have said a word. In order to bring some clarity to this confounding situation, we need to hear from the Packers and Rodgers. What do the Packers think about this story? Since Rodgers didn’t refute it, does that mean that it’s all true?

It has been difficult listening and watching this because I have been in journalism my entire life. However, watching this mess has been pretty hard. You cannot take personal liberties with the term breaking news. Even if the story is right, you cannot put it on ice, only to defrost it much later and repackage it as breaking news. 

The Packers thought that Rodgers’ skills were eroding. Rodgers, did what he has been doing  his entire life — he proved everyone wrong by playing masterfully.

Rodgers proved this past season that the Packers not only need him, but they cannot go deep into the playoffs without him. 

It’s a shame that it had to come to this in order to see that. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

May 08, 2021 at 06:54 am

“Holds more grudges than your aunt Gertrude.” Man, I love Aunt Gert. While I agree that we really don’t have any info on the Rodgers thing you are on shaky ground here...

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badaxed's picture

May 10, 2021 at 10:22 pm

This article tells us about the "supreme diva" and his grudges. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay

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egbertsouse's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:07 am

We have heard from Murphy, he has confirmed that there is an “issue.” Gute has spouted his usual vague GM-speak but has not denied anything. The person who is speaking the loudest is Rodgers. He could shut this whole thing down with a denial but he refuses. He wants it to continue. Anybody who refuses to believe there is a story here is in denial.

BTW-I don’t believe for a second that Rodger’s people weren’t behind the release of this story the day before the draft. It is totally consistent with his grudge-holding, passive-aggressive personality. If it walks and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck

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Guam's picture

May 08, 2021 at 08:23 am

I don't often agree with you ES, but your first paragraph is a near perfect summary of the situation. Murphy has confirmed there is an issue. Gute has apologized for the communication around drafting Love. Rodgers is allowing the pot to continue to boil. There absolutely is a story here.

Ultimately I think Rodgers plays for the Packers in 2021 as he will not give up his big paycheck nor a chance to enhance his legacy with a Super Bowl win and the Packers are a legit Super Bowl contender. The Packer FO simply hasn't done enough wrong to Rodgers for him to let his ego usurp his legacy and image. He is too smart for that.

After 2021, IDK. I think the Packers would have to decide Love isn't their successor to Rodgers and Rodgers would have to live with some uncertainty about his future for the marriage to continue.

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JW25's picture

May 08, 2021 at 09:08 am

This is well stated.

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CoachDino's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:10 am

On Dan Patrick he stated that there were "no" sources and no information given to him on Thursday. Just thought that all the speculation added up to his story that he wasn't even thinking about it being draft day when he decided to post it.

My guy, IMO, you are really leaning to the side of AR here.

1) You really believe that AR and his people had nothing to do with the draft day announcement, you buying that AS lied in his original release and not on the Dan patrick show. Sure, we aren't 100%, why, because AR never came out and denied it at the time. None of it from SF to Denver rumors. This has AR written all over it but yes, it's not certain.

2) It has been reported he is upset by the Love draft, the lack of communication, Jake Kumerow and Van Pelt. Ok, I get it he's the man, but upset and threatening to not return, quit on your teammates and fans with 3 years left on a contract don't align.

3) We do know Love can play, your not a 1st rd prospect for nothing, He was considered by many to have the highest ceiling. The question is really how well can he play, answer, nowhere near as well as AR. No rookie / 2nd year player can. No matter when AR leaves it will be a big step back. Heck after 3 years of development when AR took over they went from 13-3 to 6-10. I'd expect something similar.

4) The last one is a tough one. IMO, Bottom line is it would be imprudent to make a decision on an aging MVP, HOF QB before you have too, then you have the salary cap issues that must be factored in. What type of Roster do they have if they keep him in 2022 and beyond. There will be cuts, 2022 is a nightmare.
I don't believe for a second AR just wants, to be respected, guaranteed money. If he was offering to playout this contract with a 2 year 30M per year or so avg salary, all guaranteed extension on top (4 yrs after this season. I bet they would of already signed him. He wants top tier money, at least 40M, plus he's talking about playing until he's 45-46. That's 8 years.

NO One for saw him having an MVP year, no one. So its hard to get down on Gute too much. Now who should get the credit for his MVP year, performance turn around, its an interesting point. AR was trending down as were the packers until they hired a new coach, with a new scheme and a new GM who nailed a few drafts and FA acquisitions. All of a sudden AR has a MVP season. What changed? He didn't, but a lot around him did. Kinda kills the whole weapons, not helping him in the draft, not trying to win eyc theories. Just look at the cap situation last year, this year and next. They went all in. Its a factor that no one wants to address in whether they should keep him or not.. Why isn't Julio Jones throwing a fit being put out there in the wind for a trade? Its a business and ATL cap is a mess, mainly due to Matty Ice's AR like cap hit.

IMO, sit tight, he;s coming back for at least 1 more year. AJ said he is not retiring, that's a darn good source. He;s not going to cost himself 30M plus in lost wages, fines and returns, or some huge figure. Lose out on the Limelight, years of his career, No way. He's also not going to do anything to hurt himself or the team during the season. This is one thing. A power play to max out his contract as with 3 years left he had no other leverage unless he tried this tactic. Win it in the media, It was turning against him (not overall but a big chunk, on particular a section of packer fans, and the next thing you know you have Adam S changing his tune, Kuhn and Jones confidant he can be beck etc.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2021 at 09:24 am

Dino, you had me until you said sit tight. I doubt he plays another down for the Packers.

Trade rumors without merit dissolve into nothing. This one to DEN is a wildfire - AND NOBODY is throwing any water on it. DEN also has more than $25M in cap space to pull it off. They needed a QB, then passed on Fields at #9, taking Patrick Surtain II - a CB that they really don’t need. Reading the DEN press, the Surtain ll pick was a head scratcher for them, as was passing on Fields.

Time kills deals. The risk of exposing AR to injury may not be the smartest thing for the Packers to do if they already have a good deal in principle agreed upon.

My guess is the Packers walk away with Surtain, Jerry Jeudy or Courtland Sutton (both great WRs), Bridgewater & picks. This is going to be a blockbuster.

Removing AR’s contract off the books might allow for FA additions like DT Sheldon Richardson... who would make for an insanely good player next to Kenny Clark. With Surtain ll, Stokes & Alexander in the secondary? Would go a long way towards stopping Tom Brady, and just about anything anyone could throw at the Green Bay Packers.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 08, 2021 at 09:03 am

I'd like for you to be right!

I have already emotionally moved on from Rodger's. Not a player I want on my favorite team any longer. Let's jump big time into the 'Love' era.

If Denver is going to be our dance partner I for sure want Surtain and Jeudy along with miscellaneous picks. Can you imagine our defensive backfield with Surtain and the rest of our talent? Wow! Similarly can you imagine our passing attack with Adam's, Jeudy, Amari, MVS, and Tonyan with AJ out of the backfield, and Dillon running roughshod over defenders? Completely unstoppable!

If that trade took place the Packers would be in a great position to decide whether they wanted to resign Adam's next year or not. While I'd like Adams back there would be quite a bit of talent still at the WR position. The Packers have a lot of depth and building team for the long haul. A solid back up QB is still needed. Personally, I am not a fan of Bridgewater's as only average to below average NFL arm. Could the Pack win games with him yes, but they would need to pick up a young QB maybe in round 3 thru 4.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2021 at 09:36 am

Thinking the Jordan Love era has begun, and Bridgewater was a trade made for the Packers the night before the draft, to add a quality vet backup QB and help LaFleur give guidance.

Yeah, the Packers are the ones who could realize a top 5 defense in all of this.

With a power running game, a great slot WR & jet option in Amari, and a new talented QB who isn’t asked to do too much, but with a boatload of weapons?

There’s a lot to like with that scenario. Davante may never want to leave... I bet many players on this team would feel the same.

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Packerpasty's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:11 am

Good as that seems, it boils down to is your QB any good? If Love is mediocre the Packers are mediocre.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 08, 2021 at 02:39 pm

Knock the snot, I like what you say as long as we have a quarterback behind center who can throw the ball to the guys in the right colored jerseys.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:58 pm

G&G, they have to sit tight at least until June 1....to move before would be fiduciary incompetence.

I tend to agree with John Kuhn....AR is using his MVP as leverage in a business decision. Rodgers is a good scrambler but Father Time is gaining on him. After the NFCCG loss, he obviously told the Pack, "I am the MVP, treat me like one". He has 3years on a lucrative deal and he wants more guarantees in money and commitment as the starter....if not, the time to move his address is now with his bag of gold in tow .

Yet the Packers have even more leverage....called a contract...he signed. It seems the Packers offered a restructure ( probably more up front money) he refused then a restructure which he refused again.

Is Rodgers bluffing? Sure. If you don't ask, you don't get.

And about Love, he was 3rd string to Boyle while learning the O Boyle had a head start on. But they let Boyle walk, even knowing there was a disgruntled MVP making threats. That tells me the Packers think Love is ready as a back up. Starter? Don't know. But he might be.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 08, 2021 at 08:49 am

Great comments coach!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:54 pm

I agree with many of your points. I do disagree with several on a fundamental level.

Point 2: Neither players nor teams honor the spirit of their contracts. One issue with AR is GB's desire to do as little with AR's contract as possible while still meeting the cap. That is so they can move on from AR if they desire in 2022 even though he is under contract for 2022 and 2023. It also means that GB's front office does not feel the same urgency to win in 2021 or at least improve its odds by generating enough space to actually sign a vet. DL and a decent CB.

So, I think your argument is emotional alleging AR is letting the fans and his teammates down. Fans pretend to care about players but most really don't. I don't. His teammates know it is a business, and in any case, AR apparently warned his teammates if the reports are accurate.

Point 3: Plenty of QBs taken in the first round stunk up the joint, including a bunch selected higher than Love. IDK how Love will turn out. It seems pretty clear that GB's plan was not to have Love start in 2021. That's leverage for AR, and the time is now to use that. Playing in 2021 and then seeing what Gute will do for AR in 2022 would be a poor business decision on AR's part. I agree that GB likely wins fewer games with Love, maybe half just like in 2008. It could be more wins, could be less though.

Point 4: Almost entirely speculation. Of course teams want to keep their options open and players want to limit those options. Nothing new about that. It just so happens that GB needs to generate cap space in 2021 and apparently AR has to agree to it or at least to some things. Probably some leverage now. He might have less leverage next year. Nobody knows what GB offered or what AR wanted.

I want to win a super bowl while AR is still good enough to lead the team to one. I feel like the FO has sold me down the river on that front. That's how I feel about this. I know others on the board don't agree with me. I can't argue with LH: GB is going to want to see if Love can play not later than 2022 since they traded up in the first round for him. AR knows that, too. That's what made it such an awful pick in my mind: too much future and not enough now.

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Markdvp09's picture

May 11, 2021 at 03:32 pm

Appreciate you. Feel the same. I’m sorry to say...it’s hard for me to accept him back after the wedge he just placed. Hard to believe a championship team will come out of it. Take the picks, the salary relief, and hope to be the cowboys of the 2020’s? Our team is a playoff team without a QB. And tbh.....skill positions are the emphasis in high school. Camps for just QB’s, WR’s, and DB’s....that gap is becoming less and less. Rodgers is the best mechanical QB of his generation.... new Age QB’s are becoming more abundant...and that’s why WR’s and CB’s are transitioning a lot faster? Love the memories... but dude just left this relationship on hold...and trust is gone! Don’t hold onto someone openly trying to cheat or misdirect. That’s a narcissist. Cut bait and lick your wounds

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stockholder's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:19 am

If the past says anything.. We really do know a lot. That they Don't know how to treat their best player. Murphy to Rodgers. Don't be a problem. A 13-3 Back to to Back suggests he got along great with LeFluer. A misjudgment of his skills. That Gute traded up for Love ready to Fight. That all was well until the cap cuts. That Rodgers is a Suck egg mule, eating up the nest eggs. That the team was Blackmailed to get under the Cap. That the packers have used their resources to make Rodgers the enemy in all this. That Love was rewarded the back up job without even throwing a Live pass yet. That Rodgers friends were cut with surgical precision. That Rodgers has demanded a trade, before wanting GUTE FIRED. That Hologram has put his support behind Rodgers. And that #4 has had a lot to say; from Don't take the ball out of his hands, to he'll retire. We got the picture. That Business in Green Bay has revealed it's ugly head again. And the Boys club has made the chain of command not only rich, but still intolerable to some. So how does Rodgers exit with dignity. Well, we just don't have a crystal ball for that. And with everyone not seeing the evil Gute has done. The bullies in Packer land have gotten their way again. Rodgers neighborhood is about to get the urban renewal plan. Tear down the past and take a hike.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:35 am

Used car dealers and lawn mowers on the Board of Directors. What more do you want?

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Rebecca's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:33 am

Adam Schefter needs to check his pad level, and he was off side on this play.

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Coldworld's picture

May 08, 2021 at 09:58 am

He does what is required to get his oxygen: take the hit to protect his sources if things backfire. That’s the price of doing business for him.

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searchingtom's picture

May 08, 2021 at 08:00 am

From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel this morning (May 8):

"Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers
is not participating in the offseason
program at this time, general manager
Brian Gutekunst said during the NFL
draft. All sessions to this point have
been voluntary".

Hmmmm

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Truderinger's picture

May 08, 2021 at 08:02 am

I really don't like to speculate and I honestly care little for all the media buzz around AR's situation and what and when and why Schefter tweets something. I think we all should be aware that the media has an incentive to depict things in an overly dramatic way.
However I see some arguments in this whole debate that I can't really agree with:

1) "AR should honour his contract, so any discussion is his fault". This is understandable in principle, but not if you draft a 1st round QB with 4 years left on Rodgers contract. This most definitely says "We are either going to cut or to trade you before your contract is over". So I don't quite understand why the Packers as an organization should be allowed to say this, but Rodgers should never question his contract. Either it's both wrong or it is acceptable for both parties, but I'm missing a good argument why it should be for only one side. Now if you say that the contract he signed specifically allows for this kind of scenario where he's cut or traded against his will, I would say that the NFL has very precise rules on what fines players have to pay and what happens when a player retires, so he's also completely within the set rules to discuss holding out/ retiring and voicing his discontent.

2) "It's Rodgers fault for not clearing things up". What is he supposed to say? That no matter what, he'll play for Green Bay next year? This instantaneously eliminates all his bargaining power or his credibility. Regarding contract negotiations (If there were any), the only real "clearing up things" would be to make the exact contract details discussed public, and I guess there are some NDA's involved that prevent this until a final deal is reached.

Now after defending Rodgers, what I do think hurts both the Packers and him significantly is his willingness to hold grudges over their actual chance of success. With a strong commitment and supportive public comments, it might very well have been possible to sign another top WR. If I were a top WR, I'd think twice before signing with a team whose QB is always fighting with the managment. I don't particularly like Brady because I think he's overrated on the pitch, but without his leadership role Tampa Bay would not have been able to sign AB and Gronk and win the SB (and resign half of the team this offseason).

If Rodgers were thinking more about what he could do for the team instead of what the team has to do for him, the Packers might very well be this year's champions. I also think that while he can't really clear everything up, he should at least voice his willingness to find a solution in order to create a better environment for the whole team.

TLDR: I can understand anyone who wants to pass on from Rodgers for sabotaging GB's success, but I also think that things got a bit emotional and you can't blame him for everything.

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Packer_Fan's picture

May 08, 2021 at 09:27 am

When free agency started and the restructuring of contracts stopped, it probably was because this issue with Rodgers occurred.

You might say Rodgers is being selfish and there probably is some truth there.

I now consider this is a club leadership issue. The Packers will not win a Super Bowl anytime soon with Love as their QB. The greatest chance is with Rodgers. If Rodgers wants to have guarantees to play out his career as a Packer, I think the club will have to give in. Or at least extend the guarantees out three to four years.

If Gute and Murphy can't get this resolved, then this issue becomes a reflection on their management performance. And the board of directors will have to act. This is not a time to dig in to be more flexible in the future. The purpose of the Packers is to win Super Bowls. Not to have a successful franchise that makes money and gives prominence to the club leadership That purpose is secondary to the Super Bowls.

Gute and Murphy, resolve this issue and get Rodgers back.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2021 at 11:01 am

“The Packers will not win a Super Bowl anytime soon with Love as their QB.”

I see this above statement thrown around ad nauseum. How do you know? No one knows. Get us there, first, and let’s see.

When was the last time Aaron got us there? Again?

Jordan Love was a top QB from the 2020 draft, now with a year in the system. Do you think he & LaFleur have been in communication??? I bet both are excited at the possibilities.

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Coldworld's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:22 am

It is true that the same was said of Rodgers at the time of moving in from Favre. It’s a big leap to assume history repeats. The odds don’t favor 3 MVP quarterbacks.

That said, simply giving Rodgers money ( the only way to give him a true guarantee) into his 40s and at the level he currently will expect might just be the most likely way to ensure a period in the wilderness.

Let’s be clear, Rodgers gives us the best chance to win now, but may also represent the best chance of a massive decline if he gets more guaranteed money for multiple years.

This team now runs a scheme that is less QB centric, less built for the pass domination we’ve known for ever. It might have be a perfect system for Rodgers as he ages, but it is also well suited to moving on.

For those that believe that we should win now at all costs, with Rodgers, it’s pretty clear that was the teams objective in bringing back players. I also have no doubt that the plan was to add one or two others, with the cap Rodgers could have freed. He didn’t, which is his choice, but in doing so has likely diminished both our chances and his.

At this point, it would be good to get a motivated Rodgers back for this year. It will likely not be as good as if we had cap to sign a difference maker, but still our best chance of winning. The worst outcome , however, would be mortgaging the team to him until he chooses to hang up his boots. That would be the one outcome that should get Murphy, Gute and co . fired.

In reality, Rodgers orchestrated a PR spat to help his position and hurt the team. If you think otherwise, I’m afraid it’s wishful thinking. That’s how this of things are done. The unexpectedly unfavorable backwash May have caused him to have his connections pull back, but the memory will linger. It may make Rodgers more amenable to a more balanced contract adjustment. That’s the hope. It could also just convince the team that trust and reliance factors as well as cap burden argue for less generosity.

Win now, worry about it later would have been a better approach all round from Rodgers. If he can’t lift this team, he probably never will. If he does, then it’s possible few would have cared about extending him a year or two more. Rodgers blew this one in front of a national audience.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:34 pm

BRAVO, Coldworld. Exactly my thoughts on Day 2 of the draft, but I couldn’t articulate it like you did here.

Mortgaging the future of the team on that one player carries far less appeal to me than taking the chance that your future franchise QB could possibly have an easier go at it with more weapons, proper management & guidance from your HC. Having the team free from certain cap hell is music to my ears.

Time to find out if Jordan Love is that damn good QB the thought he was when they drafted him. Personally, I think he will surprise many.

For all we know, the team may exhibit more trust in Love once he gets his legs under him, than in a QB with one foot out the door. No one knows what can happen once Jordan Love gets his chance.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 08, 2021 at 02:05 pm

Not unreasonable. There is no way to truly guarantee that AR will be GB's QB in 2022 or any other year. Would guaranteeing his $25M base salary for 2022 have guaranteed that? No, because AR and that guaranteed money can still be traded. The only way to more or less guarantee to AR that he will be the QB in GB in 2022 would have been to give him another big signing bonus to pump up his dead money to GB back into the $30M or $40M area for 2022. Would converting all $6.8M of his roster bonus and $13.7M of his $14.7M base have reassured AR? IDK. It would have made him harder to trade, but how much harder would it have to be to satisfy AR? IDK. Was Gute willing to do that? IDK.

You think GB wanted to sign an outside FA? I don't. I think they wanted to convert the smallest amount of roster bonus and base salary necessary to meet the cap. See Ken Ingalls for that point of view, though he thought that is what the team should do. I think LH agreed with Ingalls but if not he assumed GB would make sure to see what they have in Love by 2022.

You assume that AR hurt both his own best chance and the team's best chance of adding a FA by refusing to convert the roster to a signing bonus. We will never know now. I agree that AR's best chance of winning a SB is in GB. I think you slipped in an emotional argument by noting it hurt the team's chances when we don't know if Gute would have used any cap freed up to sign an outside FA.

GB won't auto-convert (assuming the media isn't wrong about that as well) AR's base salary until this is resolved one way or the other. The team has enough to sign its draft picks and doesn't want to increase the dead money by up to $6.85M or so, and who would they spend it on now anyway? That can wait until cap casualties in Sept. or AR is traded/situation is resolved.

I think the backlash was entirely predictable. Not exactly sure of what the breakdown is, but most blamed Javon Walker and Favre, didn't they? Surely AR didn't think he could tell his teammates he might not be back/didn't want to return without that leaking out, could he? If he didn't orchestrate it, he had to know it probably would leak out. IDK, maybe he only told a few trusted teammates. I agree that AR orchestrated this in all probability.

I remember Murphy extending McCarthy so he wouldn't be a lame duck, even though he was still a lame duck, just one who was owed a lot of money. It was done on the down low so nobody knew he wasn't a lame duck, which of course subverts the lame duck issue anyway. I guess coaches get the benefit of the lame duck status and not players.

Do you think GB should extend D. Adams?
If yes, do you think the AR situation is why it hasn't happened?

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2021 at 04:47 pm

Yes and Yes.

Quite honestly, after the bombshell on draft day, nothing would surprise me.

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Coldworld's picture

May 09, 2021 at 07:41 am

Coaches are different in one critical respect, their pay doesn’t affect the cap. Teams pay off coaches all the time and, while it affects the bottom line of the Franchise, in today’s world it has virtually no impact on the ability to put together a roster.

Dead money to a QB paid as Rodgers has been does, as you have been reminding us consistently during this off season.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:35 am

Jordan Love was not a top QB in the 2020 draft. He was made to appear as such by the actions of the GB FO. Was Branden Weeden or Christian Ponder top draft prospects for any reason other than being hyped so the draft would have multiple QB's drafted for ratings? I don't care that Love didn't get any preseason, because by the simple act of trading up and making him appear to be a top draft selection, his ability that made the fO do such, should have had him the backup over Boyle on signing day. I would have to believe that any first-round QB would have shown that much without throwing a pass.

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Coldworld's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:48 am

Yes, he was a top prospect. Whether that means he will be a good player is open to question, but it doesn’t change that fact any more than Rodgers’ slide altered it for him.

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Swisch's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:12 pm

Other than Trevor Lawrence, I'll take Jordan Love over any of the other quarterbacks just drafted in the first round.
Of course we don't know what will happen with Love when he gets on the field, and probably not for a couple of years afterwards. Same with just about any young QB, though.
We've already seen Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen as former top pro prospects who didn't make it with the teams that took them in the draft. That could be the fault of the team as much as the player.
We've also seen Patrick Mahomes prosper from a relative unknown to a superstar. We've seen Justin Herbert get off to a nice start. We've seen a raw talent like Josh Allen out of the outpost of Wyoming make it to the pro bowl in leading the heretofore hapless Buffalo Bills to the AFC Championship game, where they lost to Mahomes and the Chiefs.
I'd be glad for a satisfying explanation of this apparent fiasco between Rodgers and the Packers that clears everything up in a way that has us feeling good about Rodgers returning. That could be a great thing, but it seems unlikely.
Unless it truly happens, I'm more and more getting excited about giving Love an opportunity to work with Jones and Dillon and Hill, Adams and MVS and Lazard and Amari Rodgers, Tonyan and Deguara and our other tight ends, plus a bevy of young and promising offensive lineman.
Maybe Love will be a more cooperative quarterback in getting all of the other talents involved in the offense toward their full potential -- like an unselfish point guard who still has the ability to make big plays on his own when the situation calls for it. It's so frustrating for skill players to go long periods without touching the ball.
No guarantees about Love, but we can get excited about him as much as just about all of the other quarterbacks drafted in the last three years.
It would be much better than giving into Rodgers in a way that would handicap our future and set a precedent for encouraging diva demands for undue control.
I hope Rodgers comes back under the right conditions for both him and the team. Otherwise, bring on Love with enthusiasm and support from the fans, at least from me.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:18 pm

Love was not a top QB in the 2020 draft...based on what, your opinion?

Based on the last two years of college production, Sophomore and Junior years of both Rodgers and Love, they were very similar...with Rodgers having a slightly higher QB rating and fewer Ints, and Love passing for more yards and TDs. And Rodgers had continuity of teammates and coaches...Love's Jr year had him losing several key OL, all of his starting WRs, and coaching changes.

Based on facts and game video, Love was definitely a top 2020 draft QB.

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Swisch's picture

May 08, 2021 at 02:03 pm

I was trying to say pretty much what you're saying, LambeauPlain.
It's possible my wording was confusing, or maybe you were responding to a different comment.
Sometimes I have trouble following these threads as far as who is responding to whom.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 08, 2021 at 02:09 pm

Lambeau was responding to Taryn.

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greengold's picture

May 08, 2021 at 04:14 pm

Jordan Love 2018:
267 Comp, 417 Att, 64.0%, 3,567 yds, 9.4 AY/A, 32 TDS, 6 INT and a 158.3 Passer Rating.

Aaron Rodgers 2004:
209 Comp, 316 Att, 66.1 %, 2,566 yds, 8.1 AY/A, 24 TD, 8 INT, 154.3 Passer Rating.

You do realize Jordan Love’s best season #s are on par or better than Aaron Rodgers’ best season at Cal?

I’m just questioning this overwhelming lack of confidence we’re seeing from fans in Jordan Love, and LaFleur’s & Gutekunst’s desire/decision to take him last year. I think he will be fine, take some lumps & learn along the way.

Add to that, this confidence that AR will get the job done with one foot out the door. Really? I kind of question that more than Love with a greater number of new weapons. AR, pissed off and unhappy with an opposing team is great. AR pissed off and unhappy with the Packers? I’ll pass. Looks to me like that could get ugly. Love is the answer.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 08, 2021 at 06:47 pm

The comparison stats don't tell the whole story you attempt to write here. The college conference in which Rodgers played was much more competitive and difficult than it is now and what Love had to oppose.

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greengold's picture

May 09, 2021 at 09:04 am

Tell that to the 49ers. #3 overall pick this year was who?

Where is the Bills’ Josh Allen from?

Patrick Mahomes became a starter in 2018, after sitting behind Alex Smith for just one year. He won the NFL MVP that year, and a Super Bowl the following year.

Packer fans might want to prepare themselves to giving Jordan Love more support than they have been in general to this point. I get it that this transition has not gone according to this perfect, dream world script that all of us may have imagined, myself included. This got messy, more so by the way Aaron Rodgers has handled things than by any actions of the team, or Gutekunst, who was merely looking out for the future of the Packers by trading up to take Jordan Love. He was doing his job.

Are there unknowns? Of course. But, what are our options? Move forward.

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stockholder's picture

May 08, 2021 at 09:58 am

( The purpose of the Packers is to win Super Bowls. )- Very well stated. But it has been the later and will continue to be.

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Turophile's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:06 am

Murphy should cut Rodgers, fire La Fleur, fire Gutekunst, put every player on the block, then fire himself, and the board should then remove themselves after declaring all 'owner stock options' null and void....... and selling the Packers franchise to the next billionaire that drives by.

Or, they can just keep on trying to get by, with Rodgers or with someone else. Life went on after Lombardi, and after Favre, and it will after Rodgers, which might be this year (I doubt it) or between the end of the 2021 season and the start of the 2022 one (much more likely). Maybe the Packers suck for 20 years post-Rodgers, maybe they fly high for decades, it's all a beautiful mystery, yet to be revealed.

Between now and life after Rodgers, there will a gazillion people expressing strong opinions on this and extrapolating the fallout based on not very much information, because the principal actors are saying almost nothing publicly. A few people (most can't resist an early, ill-informed opinion) will wait to see what the major parties involved will say, when there is a decision that must be made.

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stockholder's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:14 am

If Rodgers is smart. Do the Barry Sanders. Stay on the sidelines.. Don't return their CALLS. And retire. Don't have anything to do with the packers again. Get a prenup.

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calabasa's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:06 pm

C.R.E.A.M.

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Leland's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:32 am

Sounds just like more opinions.

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Turophile's picture

May 08, 2021 at 11:25 am

No, it's a mystery, like I said.

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Rebecca's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:19 pm

That’s a fact!

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PeteK's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:10 pm

No way, publicly owned makes them unique and very American.

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Turophile's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:48 pm

Did you actually take my first paragraph seriously ???

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PeteK's picture

May 08, 2021 at 06:20 pm

Yes, you can't blame me, with the enormous amount frustration and negativity flying around. LOL

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:45 am

We all knew, though some would deny it, that the moment the Love pick got announced the can of worms we all knew would be opened was opened.
In just over three weeks, the future of Rodgers and the Packers will be decided. Either Rodgers sits out/retirers or he is traded, or he's playing as the starter once again, though we may be wondering still about the 2022 season.

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frankthefork's picture

May 08, 2021 at 11:08 am

Indeed TRS. If WR was the first target as Gute says...why didn't he trade back and get Claypool or Pittman, or use a 2nd round pick? He pulled the trigger and went up on a good QB falling in round 1 based on a value scale...my ass; Gute was a scout and still gets sticky fingers when it comes to certain players.
We all know the GBP's needed a solid, better QB backup, but why not use a 3rd or 4th round instead.
It was, IMO, a slap in the face for both AR and MLF. Well it's over and done, time to move on. Just get AR back in the saddle at QB in GB with a better contract. All will be good and forgiven. Let's play ball!

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PeteK's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:39 pm

He's was 36 yrs old, signed for 3 more guaranteed seasons, and Love obviously needs development. This is planning ahead not a Garoppolo situation which is an example of a slap in the face. In my opinion, Love would probably not be ready until 2013. I could see some disappointment, but this type of behavior after a very successful season is embarrassing . Waiting until we're 5-12 to draft a QB that will be forced to play early for a terrible team is a strategy for failure.

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Swisch's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:48 am

Well, okay, I may be way wrong, but to me it comes down to asking why Aaron Rodgers just won't say what he wants.
He doesn't have to go into the details, but in general what is bothering him?
If all was going well, wouldn't he say so?
This may be a problem with Rodgers for awhile now. It seems he purposely gives out mixed signals with cryptic messages that are calculated to drive people nuts in deciphering them.
Either give us the gist of what's on your mind, or simply go about your business without causing a stir.
If I'm pretty much right in this assessment, then I'm getting close to the point where I'm tired of Rodgers and really don't want him with the Packers any longer. As a big fan of his, I'm open to being glad for him to stay, but that window is closing.
In a short and honest statement, it seems Rodgers could at least clear up a lot of things. Maybe his situation with the Packers wouldn't be settled, but we'd understand where it's at in a basic way that would be significantly satisfying.
That Rodgers continues to be so mysterious, and apparently without good reason, is bugging me to the point where I'm starting to look forward to a new era In Green Bay.
Is this the behavior of a guy who is going to lead us to a win in the Super Bowl, anyway?
Please, help me out here.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:19 pm

But is not all his stealth and coyness more fodder for "As The World Spirals?"

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Swisch's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:56 pm

Indeed, our only consolation in the Rodgers Saga is that the melodrama continues for our entertainment.
See, for example, my comment just below on the shocking ties between Aaron Rodgers and Jake Kumerow -- to be revealed more fully in the upcoming episode: "Not Just a Passing Fancy" (right after "American Idol").

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:32 pm

I hate to be the one to break it to you...but Aaron Rodgers really doesn't care whether Swisch on CHTV is significantly satisfied.

Does that help?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:46 pm

I'm sure that A.R. is oblivious to what constitutes my satisfaction. On the other hand, CHTV is more attentive to me as a subscriber. What really matters to me is what I find satisfactory. Therefore my comment to Swisch.

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Swisch's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:50 pm

Well, at some point if enough fans get disillusioned and disappointed and disinterested, there is no Green Bay Packers. They move to a more lucrative locale.
Even the NFL is not invulnerable over time.
I've invested a lot of my life into being a fan of football. I love the Packers, and stuck with them through the dismal decades of the Seventies and Eighties. Yet at some point of being pushed too far I hope that even I would wean myself off of them or quit cold turkey.
It could be said that fans are paying too much attention to the Aaron Rodgers drama, "As the World Spirals." (Thanks for the shout out, Alberta Packer; in the next episode we discover that Jake Kumerow is the half-brother of Aaron Rodgers by his mysterious biological mother -- who heroically gave Rodgers up for adoption at birth to give him a better life.)
Maybe we shouldn't be spending so much time trying to figure out Rodgers and commenting. Maybe we should wait in silence. Then again, maybe we should just go away from the NFL altogether.
Maybe I should get more of a life outside of pro football. Maybe I'll collect sports cars, or sports matchbox cars. Maybe I'll be one of those guys who gets into chili peppers, like suspenders with a design of chili peppers, and a bolo tie in the shape of one. Maybe I'll move to Iceland and write a book about how America has been largely ruined by materialism and impersonalism.
If it turns out enough of us are driven away, even the likes of Aaron Rodgers might care whether or not we're significantly satisfied.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 08, 2021 at 03:21 pm

I'm just trying to point out that any fan that thinks a multimillionaire professional athlete is going to base any life or career decision on what that fan thinks...is incredibly naïve.

I'm pretty sure however this plays out with Rodgers it isn't going to tempt the Packers to move to a more "lucrative locale". They've been in Green Bay since 1919. I don't think they're going anywhere.

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Swisch's picture

May 08, 2021 at 04:19 pm

13TimeChamps, no biggie as far as your comments, and I hope we can have good interactions going forward.
I'll say that at some point enough people may not want to pay attention to a recreational game that pays a skilled practitioner an astounding $37 million in one year for passing an oddly shaped ball around and various other duties associated with the position of quarterback.
If the powers that be in the NFL belittle fans for such things as commenting on the future of that quarterback, then maybe we'll get to the point where we feel it's absurd to follow at all the game of football as presented by the NFL. I mean, really, having a festival surrounding the NFL draft? I nerded out on the draft to a large extent, but maybe I should reconsider,
I'm getting somewhat that way with the NBA as far as it insulting fans as socially evil, and to a lesser extent the NFL and MLB. I try to tell myself that many of these young guys may mean well but are more or less misguided. It's not that they don't have a real point, but it does seem their accusations are wildly exaggerated and distorted, and their anger misdirected.
At some point, though, enough is enough. It seems a lot of people may have already reached that point with pro sports and tuned out. At some point I may feel it necessary to join them for my own integrity.
I'm only one person. However, enough of us may get tired enough of getting repeatedly abused that we walk away. Then, where does the money come from to pay Aaron Rodgers an astronomical salary?
Corn toss, anyone?

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:49 pm

"However, enough of us may get tired enough of getting repeatedly abused that we walk away."

You've been "abused"? Seriously? Inquiring minds would love to know how.

As far as having good interactions moving forward...of course. None of this is personal. It's the exchanging of thoughts and opinions. I just don't agree with your dire forecast. Every year some professional athlete will be unhappy with his current contract. It happens to every team. This year it's the Packers turn. To suggest this could result in the end of the Green Bay Packers is silly in my opinion.

Aaron Rodgers will play in 2021. The Packers will field a team in 2021. Life will go on. If there is an NFL in 10 years/ 25 years/50 years, there will be an organization known as the Green Bay Packers as part of that NFL.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:50 pm

Ah yes, self-reflection - the bane of a superficial life. I know it well. But as far my participation in this Rodgers imbroglio - it has almost entirely been for my own self-amusement. So I have willingly chosen to travel down the rabbit hole that Rodgers and associates have dug for us all. Of course it's an absurd trip but I think that's the overall theme to this amateur soap opera (with apologies to "As The World Spirals"). Because my premise throughout these last few days has been for Rodgers and his lackey (Dunn) to just honor their enormous multi-million dollar contract - which was offered and accepted in good faith - without gripe, petulance or subversion. Like so many tens of millions of people who everyday, dutifully, honor their job contracts and work agreements, at just a sliver of the income of what Rodgers receives. And this includes the millions who work for $15 or less an hour.

As for the NFL, it's foundation is based almost entirely on hype. And if the NFL was a food - we would all be dead in a few weeks. So why I'm not particularly a fan of the NFL - I am of the Green Bay Packers. Why? Because the Packers are an anomaly - they are one of the few community owned teams (in the world) - of a major sports franchise - who have established a standard of excellence that few sports organizations can rival. The Packers are truly "The Little Engine That Could." And I like that! Later in this section, I post about the 2 Aarons - Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Jones. What occurred to me is that Aaron Rodgers is more reflective of what the NFL is about - while, Aaron Jones is more reflective of what the Packers are about.

However, what I'm really looking forward to now - because it is highly unlikely that there will be a quick resolution to the Rodgers-Packers stand-off - is the upcoming episode "The Passing Fancy." And who may be this mysterious biological mother? And what about Brian Gutekunst? So many questions - so few answers.

On a non football note - if you (Swisch) ever do decide to make chili-shaped bolo ties - I want to be your first customer. Also if you ever have an opportunity to go to Iceland - I encourage you to do so. But go as a traveler not a tourist. If so, your book may become a reality.

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frankthefork's picture

May 08, 2021 at 10:48 am

Jeopardy watch...
Word on the wire is AR12 wants to come back to GB with a new contract soon. Details IMO are;
1. AR want a no trade clause- no outs unless AR says it's time to A. Retire or B. go for a trade to a western city location of his liking.
2. New contract is not about money, it's about the length of time; 4 or 5 years. Specific and to AR's liking.
3. AR wants a top wr, rb, te group at all times. A top round (1-3) pick each year at one of the 3 spots annually (preferred).
4. Ar wants input as to cuts and additions to all offensive groups. Cap issues are for the FO to figure out.
5. No QB's to be drafted w/ a 1st round grade unless he's informed, ready to be traded, move on from Love, or retire to...Jeopardy!

As for J love, he remains as backup until 2023 when it comes to the 5th year option decision, or if all parties agree, to a trade and upgrade replacement.

It's about control and stability for AR12 and IMO am OK if AR has input, but not total control of the personnel.

That's the word on the wire. And it's just words and opinions. Now it's up to the FO at 1265 to work out the details. In any event...it's been a great ride thus far and hope Mr. MVP continues his football journey in GB as a Packer.

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SanLobo's picture

May 08, 2021 at 03:42 pm

1. AR wants a no trade clause...GB can work this. Give him a no trade clause. No team will want or take him if he doesn't want to be there anyway.
2. 4 to 5 year guaranteed contract...GB should give him 3 years fully guaranteed with declining guaranteed money in year 4 and 5.
3. A 1-3 pick offensive weapon...GB has done this often over the years and this is not outrageous.
4. AR wants input to cuts & additions...GB can define a role for Rodgers in the process that should be acceptable to both. GB cannot give him decision authority or Veto power, but listening to his perspective might improve some of our personnel decision as well as AR will learn a great deal about why these decisions are made. This is how most high performing organizations resolve like issues in the 21st Century anyway.
5. No QBs drafted unless he is informed...See #4 above. If the Vikings can give Cousins a heads up a month out, GB can figure this out.

Interesting info from the "wire" but we don't really know for sure what AR has asked for and what GB has offered. All speculation has been just that, speculation. Who knows, maybe it is a good thing we don't know the details. If we did we might look at one side, or both sides, as idiots.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 05:25 pm

NO to all. He currently has a contract that was offered in good faith ,and, that he signed in good faith - 3 years ago.

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SanLobo's picture

May 09, 2021 at 07:00 am

I see this “he signed a contract” argument often and it strikes me as an odd one. In the NFL, these contracts are constantly in flux and teams show little respect for the spirit of them. Teams often “restructure” players contracts without consulting the player. There are plenty of rules in place via the CBA to handle this, so a player asking for a new contract and/or to be traded else they will sit out, is not new and all part of that process.

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greengold's picture

May 09, 2021 at 07:46 am

Ridiculous, SanLobo.

Do you think the Packers might have been looking at WR, not even considering QB, when all of a sudden they realize in the moment Jordan Love was in a free fall? They worked a trade to catch him at 26, knowing they were going to need a legit franchise QB at some point with AR at 37, coming off a year playing with a leg fracture.

Drafts are fluid, and a GM has to be able to act quickly when necessary, if they are worth their salt. Courtesy calls fall to the very bottom of any list in the moment.

I don’t think they felt they had any chance of taking Jordan Love in that draft. Time is precious in making a trade like that. “ON THE CLOCK” is a real thing in the draft process. Ask the Vikings.

WAS CALLING AARON RODGERS PRIOR TO MAKING THAT TRADE NECESSARY? HELL NO.

Nice list of how to kill the Packers. HELL FUCKING NO.

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SanLobo's picture

May 09, 2021 at 08:48 am

I don’t pretend to know what the Packers were thinking. It appears they traded up for a QB. They may have been looking for a WR, but fixated on Love and grabbed him. As I recall, GB assigns a value for players in the draft and place those players on their “board.” If they had a QB on the board it was on there prior to the Draft starting. So yes, they had time to tell Rodgers that, if they can’t get what they want, they may take a QB in this draft. Again, if the Vikings can tell Cousins a month ahead of the Draft they may take a QB, GB can give a heads up to Rodgers.

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greengold's picture

May 09, 2021 at 09:28 am

“Hi Aaron. This is Brian. Just wanted to give you a call to see if you could review our draft board with us? Give us a call back, if you would. Hope to hear from you soon!” - CLICK

Ha! Never mind.

You don’t give up control of your team, and the successful way you’ve been running it for over 100 years to ONE PLAYER.

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SanLobo's picture

May 09, 2021 at 03:50 pm

No. That would be childish. But something like this is not: Hi Aaron, Brian Gutenkunst here. We just completed our Draft valuation board. There are WRs, RB, TEs and QBs on it. If a QB comes our way, we are going to take him. This does not mean you are not our guy. If we take one our plan would be to evaluate him for three years, then decide what we do from there. I wanted you to know so there would be no surprises come the Draft. If you want, we can sit down and talk in the near future.

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EricinGB's picture

May 08, 2021 at 11:19 am

Packer Management are supposed to be personnel experts. Drafting a developmental QB last yerar in the midst of Covid-19 compounds the mistake. At the time, both the pre-season and season were in doubt, either mimimizing or eliminating the prospect for QB development that year. The 1st roud developmental QB was clearly going to be QB3 thus geting almost no practice reps while sitting sitting behind two more advancet QBs in an advanced NFL system...what was GB thinking? If managment's strategy was that it was time to draft a future QB, then that same 2020 1st rpund draft pick and wasted development year could have been traded for a much higher future 1st round pick in 2021 and still provide for the same development time-line...and Rodgers could have been informed of the strategy...then this year we could have decided what to do with our 2 first round draft picks...and Rodgers could have been included in the decision. Hindsight is 2020 (pun intended) but this year's problems could have been avoided last year by any competent personnel manent not blinded hubris to recognize that 2020 was a lost year for develoment and not the year to draft a development-project QB. Now, the Packers have a real problem as last year's development-project QB is still essentuially a rookie in year 2.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 08, 2021 at 11:45 am

Love essentially isn't even at the development stage since he hasn't participated at any stage.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:03 pm

So let me tell you a tale of 2 Aarons:

1. Aaron R. - A QB - a superstar - in the middle of a rich, mega-contract - making him one of the highest paid players in sports - that he signed while his career was slightly trending downwards - decided (with his smarmy agent) that after an exceptional performance year (and the emergence of potential competition) - that he/they are no longer happy with the contract - so he/they surreptitiously attempt to 'squeeze' the Packers for more money and security - while totally insensitive to the fan angst and organizational disruption they have caused.

2. Aaron J. - A RB - a superstar - in his first 4 years earned just over 4m (in those same 4 yrs. Rodgers earned over 115m) - far outperforming his contract - never during that time did he or his agent complain or attempt to re-negotiate - then as a free agent re-signed with the Packers at what many believe was significantly below his market value - because he didn't want to play anywhere else. And then he puts himself out there by organizing a football camp for kids in Green Bay. I believe that this is the true love of team and community that Aaron R. occasionally speaks of.

So for my clarity - I know which "Aaron" I would far prefer to have on my team.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:23 pm

As clear a case of using an apple to orange through ignorance as could be. No RB takes the place of an elite QB in the quest for an SB unless the goal of the team is to win some games and make the playoffs if possible, usually by the fault of their Division rivals failing. If the QB isn't elite the chances of getting anywhere are drastically reduced, not to say the long shot doesn't happen, but any team that wants the favorite odds has an elite QB and not an elite RB as the leader. Aaron Jones will not, however silent and done correct his contract negotiations, ever be the leader or lead this team to an SB.

I read or heard, can't remember which, that the Packers offered to make Rodgers the highest-paid again and he turned it down, If true, them money isn't the issue but more how the FO seems to ensure the SB isn't the goal unless of course, Rodgers does it with whatever he is supplied, or lacking in talent/ability.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:51 pm

My post is intended as a parable - not a quantitative analysis. It is mainly about personal character and integrity - or the lack of.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:56 pm

Aaron Jones's character or integrity isn't winning the SB, much less get them into it. You fail to understand that elite QB's are divas at some point and RB's are a dime a dozen with a few getting paid like a QB because the team doesn't have an elite one. If the choice were between Rodgers and Jones, you're taking Jones because of his character and integrity and be happier when the Division is the goal of success, even more than it is already for far too many?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 06:55 pm

It seems that you've never coached or been a part of professional sports management - because character and integrity are a huge consideration - regardless of the position. Also not all QBs are divas ,and, star RBs are not a dime-a-dozen.

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Swisch's picture

May 08, 2021 at 06:54 pm

Stunning to me, and scary, that there are three downvotes to the comment above about the importance of character and integrity.
It's scary because any organization will die from within without character and integrity. They're not only important, but absolutely essential.
It's scary because America will die if enough people dismiss the importance of character and integrity. It won't be China or Russia conquering us; it will be us destroying ourselves.
America is becoming more and more an apparently healthy tree rotting from within. At some point you only have to give it a push in order to topple it.
How many countries or companies or organizations stand the test of time? We have to work hard for a happy civilization. Consider the nightmare of living right now in China -- where even the wealthy are to be eliminated if they speak out of turn. The weeds grow easily in this world, while it takes a lot of community cooperation in difficult effort to cultivate the crops to an abundant harvest.
On a micro level, it's the same with the Packers. Perhaps Aaron Rodgers is just misunderstood at present and is of stellar character. However, if he's too much for himself to the detriment of the team, there's no way he leads us to a Super Bowl.
In the big pressure moments of great opportunity but also great adversity, it's character and integrity that put a team over the top.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:55 pm

I am not surprised by the down votes - trolls. Unfortunately they have become a product of our times - as society is becoming less kind, gentle, compassionate and even intelligent. We are at a crossroads good people.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 09, 2021 at 11:36 am

Compassion is the Radicalization of our Times- Dalai Lama

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 09, 2021 at 05:10 pm

I have to think about that one. Better still, maybe Aaron Rodgers can explain it to me.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 09, 2021 at 06:28 pm

Thinking makes one wise. Wisdom x Compassion = Freedom

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Hematite's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:10 pm

I've really grown tired of same old crap over and over, day after day!
Time to take some time off.
I'll check back in a week or so to see if anything has changed.

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Packers0808's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:34 pm

What gets me nobody basically wanted Rodgers, Thompson took a chance on him and today Rodgers thinks thinks he owes nothing to the group that allowed him become what he is a great ball player but probably the biggest diva the world has become to know! Just shut up and play or retire. No trade option period, tired of hearing this shi- about him!

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:59 pm

So Rodgers doesn't have the support of those who scream "Pay the Man' with other players, especially those on the Packers if it were only about money?

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Packers0808's picture

May 08, 2021 at 01:52 pm

You sign a contract be happy with it, was your decision in first place!

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bizz888's picture

May 08, 2021 at 12:57 pm

Waiting for Rodgers to sort out his mental game can be trying at times. I'm leaning towards the two parties working this thing out and then we can get back to football business as usual. Here's to hoping...

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Leatherhead's picture

May 08, 2021 at 02:04 pm

Sheeesh.

Seems pretty clear to me. The Packers intend to win football games without Aaron Rodgers. They drafted his replacement, they put a real strong team on the field, and they structured numerous contracts so that we’d have more flexibility with our salary cap after 2021. This year. It was going to be the last shot with Rodgers, Adams, etc.

Shame on the front office for looking towards the future and hurting Rodgers feelings.

I understand that Rodgers wants to be the QB here for several years yet. But just like his predecessor, it’s been 10 years since the last Super Bowl. Rodgers could have played this year and if he’d won the Super Bowl he could probably have retired as a Packer.....we’d have reworked his deal. But he didn’t.

It would have been nice to take one last shot, but that’s not going to happen. The Jordan Love era has begun.

Denial...Anger/Blame....Bargaining/negotiating....depression....Acceptance.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 08, 2021 at 06:12 pm

We often have opposite takes on the same subject. However, I thought it only fair, that I agree with you on this one.

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SanLobo's picture

May 09, 2021 at 08:57 am

Loves not ready. How do we know? Look back to the Favre/Rodgers transition. GB leadership told Favre to stay retired, they had moved on. Favre hopped on a private jet and flew up to Austin Straubel Airport. Compare to the current situation where GB leadership is flying out of Austin Straubel to California and asking Rodgers to come back. They know Love is not ready. And Rodgers knows as well or he would have no leverage in negotiations.

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GregC's picture

May 08, 2021 at 02:59 pm

As others have noted, this article misses the boat by failing to note that the Packers have indeed commented on the situation. Gutekunst and Murphy have both spoken about it. They haven't said much, by they've probably said about all they can say, which is that they erred in not giving Rodgers a heads-up on the possible drafting of Love, and that both of them as well as Matt LaFleur have talked to Rodgers to try to smooth things out and get him back in the fold.

If it's true the Rodgers's beef is with Gutekunst in particular, I think that says a lot. The issue of notifying Rodgers of decision-making falls just as much on Murphy as on Gutekunst, I think. So why isn't Rodgers angry with BOTH of them? I think it's because Gutekunst is in charge of drafting and personnel, which means that the succession plan at QB is his baby. That's the main issue, rather than the thing about notifying Rodgers of decisions. Pete Dougherty of packers news.com said that he had heard that Rodgers actually HAS been offered guaranteed money beyond this season, but he's turned it down. Apparently it was too late and/or too little. The damage is done, and he no longer wants to be part of the team. As a fan, I'm ready to move on without him, but if he changes his mind and is willing to play another season in Green Bay, that's fine too.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 08, 2021 at 05:35 pm

Agree with both GregC and Letterhead. This is about trying to oust Brian Gutekunst as VP of Football Operations. Gutekunst was hired by the Executive Committee and reports to their oversite subcommittee. (The Board of Directors) In reality he is equal to Mark Murphy in power and responsibility inside the Packer organization. Giving the situation he may be more powerful than Murphy. To think that the EC would fire 'their man', who is guiding the future of the entire Packer organization in favor of an 37 year old aging quarterback is quite rich. Rodgers has three choices. Report, retire or consent to a trade. That's more than 99% of NFL players in his position get. The man has a chance for a Superbowl, one has to ask why he wants to throw it away. It is Aaron Rodger's choice on how he wants to go out. This year or next, the era of Love is here. Better get use to it.

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SanLobo's picture

May 09, 2021 at 07:14 am

We have not heard from Rodgers, and based on his legendary distrust of the media, we may never hear from him, but we have heard from both James Jones and AJHawk. Both stated that his beef has nothing to do with a desire to have the GM fired. In fact they said he “wants to be on the same page with the HC and GM.”
No one but a small handful of people know what Rodgers is asking and what the Front Office is offering. Everything else is speculation.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 09, 2021 at 07:09 pm

If you had been following the Packers front office saga, Rodgers attack on Gutekunst makes perfect sense. Right now Gutekunst is as close to untouchable as there is inside 1265. As I said, trying to force Gutekunst out is a no win situation for Rodgers. The Packers hold all the cards, and Gutekunst is the dealer. This ends in only three ways. Report, retire or consent to a trade. Rodgers threw away all his other options on draft day. At best maybe he gets a farewell tour, otherwise he is gone. Father Time waits for no one, and Cap Man is here to finish what Covid-19 started early. We're all sorry Rodgers time in Green Bay is ending like this. But it is ending. Get use to it.

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SanLobo's picture

May 09, 2021 at 11:51 pm

In your original post you said, “ This is about trying to oust Brian Gutekunst...”. My point is that comment is speculation. Unless we are someone in Aaron Rodgers inner circle, or the negotiation team in the Front office we don’t know much more than there is friction between Rodgers and the Green Bay Front Office (and possibly Head Coach.) As far as it ends one of three ways; he reports, retires, or agrees to a trade there is no disagreement. He is reportedly asking for a trade, but again even that is speculation until someone who actually knows confirms it. All we know for sure is that there is a rift between Rodgers and the Front Office. We don’t know why. What I see is a tremendous amount of energy and emotion being thrown at folks picking sides based on what is almost entirely rumor. If we actually knew what Rodgers was asking and what GB was offering, we could form opinions based on fact rather than conjecture.

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stockholder's picture

May 08, 2021 at 06:33 pm

Rodgers needs to make Gute's job Hell. The best way to do that is don't sign anything. Refuse all calls. Keep hosting Jeopardy. Keep Tweeting from vacation destinations, to other players/Friends / teams. The more strapped they become. The more Gute can't move. Have his agent call a press conference. And just be on record for telling everyone, he'll deal with Packers when the time comes. Let it hang over some heads. No comment works. And when Gute gets replaced. They'll be in it to win it.

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jont's picture

May 08, 2021 at 07:21 pm

I know as little about this an anyone, but the manager in me thinks these two quotes are meaningful.

Gutekunst when asked if he could have handled the Love draft better:

"I certainly look back to last year’s draft and just kind of maybe some of the communication issues we could have done better. There’s no doubt about it. The draft’s an interesting thing. It can kind of unfold differently than you think it’s going to unfold, and it happens pretty fast. But certainly, I think, looking back on it sitting where we sit today, there could have been some communication things we did better."

Homgren when asked his opinion on the current situation:

“I can’t imagine a relationship between the coach, or management, or whoever is making the decisions and a star quarterback like that getting to this point,” Holmgren said. “I just can’t imagine it. I wouldn’t allow it. It wouldn’t happen.”

Gutekunst cannot say "I made a mistake" or "I should have...." It's we, maybe, it happens, and more we.

Holmgren (and the manager in me) says "I wouldn't let it happen" and "I wouldn't let it get to this point".

Regardless of did what or when or said this or that, the GM failed in a key task and to this day will not acknowledge it.

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JLab3's picture

May 09, 2021 at 06:06 am

Aaron is as entertaining as it gets on the field but, for many reasons, he's no Tom Brady and it's time to move on. We all know his salary demands will be excessive and his skills will simultaneously erode. He went toe to to toe with Brady last year, at home and lost. The Packer organization is solid and they will surely withstand trading Rodgers at peak value. Take the criticism, reload and turn the page.

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Cheesey51's picture

May 09, 2021 at 03:08 pm

CANNOT WAIT FOR IT ALL TO END. Call me when training camp starts

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 09, 2021 at 05:12 pm

Not a fan of bad soap operas?

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

May 09, 2021 at 08:17 pm

BG is shitbag.

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