Cory's Corner: Put Faith And Trust In Someone Else

The Packers could get their next No. 1 wide receiver from the Seattle Seahawks. 

Did that just happen? 

Did Davante Adams just leave the Green Bay Packers for the Las Vegas Raiders? 

I know that this was in the works for several days and I know that Aaron Rodgers recently signed a contract that includes $150.6 million in guaranteed money. 

But no matter how you slice it, the best receiver in the game right now getting traded was a huge surprise. And to make matters worse, according to NFL Network insider Ian Rappoport, the Packers offered more money than the Raiders, but Adams is fulfilling a lifelong dream to play with the Raiders. 

That is even more mind numbing. Why would you not want to play with someone that you obviously have a superior connection with — Adams has been targeted 26 percent of the time in the last five seasons — and can build an even stronger legacy than the one that you already have? 

The good news is that the Packers have more draft capital, netting a first rounder and second roudner in 2022. Green Bay now has the 22nd and 28th overall picks and judging by how general manager Brian Gutekunst has been “all-in” this offseason, he is going to inspect every opportunity. 

The best one is D.K. Metcalf. After Seattle traded Russell Wilson, they aren’t making it a secret that they are rebuilding. Seattle’s philosophy is to build through the draft and now the Packers have plenty of roster ammunition. 

Metcalf, 24, has seen his touchdown catches go up each season — from seven his rookie season in 2019, 10 in 2020 and 12 in 2021. Metcalf is a physical mismatch that offers plenty of problems for secondaries. He is in the final year of his rookie deal that has a cap hit of $4.3 million. 

The Packers could send the 28th overall pick (first round) and the 132nd overall pick (fourth round) to Seattle for Metcalf. That way the Packers could still draft a wideout with the 22nd pick like Penn State’s Jahan Dotson. 

Adams didn’t want to be in Green Bay anymore. So the best receiver in the game has opted to play with a lesser quarterback in a division that will require an act of God just to make the playoffs.

Will this hurt the offense? Sure, in the short term it will. But in the long term, it will make the offense better. Rodgers is 10-1 without Adams, mainly because it has forced him to spread the ball around and rely on others. 

This will do the same thing. When Adams is on the field, he expects to get it just about every time — which is a respect that he has earned with exceptional route running and some of the best hands in the game. The best thing about Adams is how far he has come. Remember his first two seasons in Green Bay? He had catch percentages of 53 and 57 percent and many folks wanted him to be run out of town. 

But the Packers put their faith and trust in him and Adams is now the No. 2 Packers wideout in franchise history. 

Now Rodgers needs to put his faith and trust in someone else. 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Postman's picture

March 19, 2022 at 06:22 am

Getting a Veteran from outside GB will only slow the offense. AR only throws to receivers that are thinking the same as him. We need to resign MVS. There are already route runners that AR trusts on the team. MVS added so much to the offense last year and the Pack was not the same when he was hurt. Use the draft picks to load up on other weak spots.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:37 am

Ugh! The guy is a dime-a-dozen JAG. If you want a fast guy who can r un one route, get him in the draft and save money.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:54 am

All decisions come with a cost component to the calculation. The guy is a cause of defenses changing their approach. That has value. If he’s all we do then that’s not enough, but if he can be brought back on an incentive laden prove it deal as part of the solution I am all for it. He may be looking for a healthy year to increase his value.

It’s not just about ceiling. We do need some players who know the system coming back and we will need to give rookies some time, perhaps a season. Even if we bring in a FA we still would need depth at the regular snap level.

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HawkPacker's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:58 am

We know that we will be drafting multiple WR's this draft but where we draft them will depend on what free agent(s) we sign. If we sign a top free agent then we may not take a WR until the second round as we have done much in the past, with much success I might add. If we sign a decent but not a stud FA WR, then we most assuredly will take one in the first round.

I think either way, it is going to depend on how the draft falls and then who is available for them to take in the first round.

With all the talk of many good players being available in the middle rounds, we may trade down but I would doubt that with the 22nd pick. As we all know, we need other positions filled as well along with building our depth and special teams.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:04 am

We need receivers this year, not next. Relying on any rookie is risky, perhaps more so with Rodgers. We have a current stable of one proven receiver who could reasonably be expected to rack up significant snaps every game: Lazard (technically still unsigned). We need a blend of experience and potential and, ideally, more system knowledge. Cobb may help, but he’s a limited snap guy (and probably keeps AmRod off the field). We need numbers, depth and a blend of now versus future, but with an emphasis on now first in this situation.

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Minniman's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:45 pm

I've seen enough of Gute to expect that to him, nothing is off the table.

Strategically, let the big money fly in the coming weeks - then evaluate and negotiate with whomever is left.

I agree, there's a role for a savvy vet that can take more snaps than Cobb and can win against CB 1-2.

That said, I do see MVS and Tonyan returning. Deguara is playing usefully better - and Jones and Dillon in the backfield are increasingly seeing more snaps.

This RB point is important - and potentially influenced some of Adams' discord. The more the Packers run the ball, the less snaps to pass there will be.

Maybe what the Packers really seek from the big name vet WR is "eye candy" factor???

Maybe Winfree's time as a Packer is done too. He's neither eye-candy nor reliably productive. Potentially Amari Rodgers too if he doesn't show something in camp.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:45 pm

They have to bag a free agent TE if any are available and draft another by round two. I do not see the necessity of signing either MVS or Tonyan. Tonyan is a PUP guy. Maybe they do a secret handshake deal to bring him onboard as the season progresses. Lewis may have scorched his cylinders and is at best a guy off the bench.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:17 pm

Yes, we saw 2021 NFCCG who was WR star. DA wasn't there, he was invisible until AR tried to force the ball to him. Al damage was produced by MVS. He was catching everything thrown to him. Go, watch again, than try to explain your disapproval for MVS. lor of his "drops" were produced by bad throws from Diva. Diva lost his accuracy, especially on deep balls. Even the last pass he throwed this year to Davante was badly underthrown.

I really do not understand this attitude towards MVS. he is reliable, knows system and routes, run fast (obviously to fast for Diva!) and he is very good blocker in running game.

Even Diva claimed past season that he due a lot throws to MVS, as his throws was not at the best for him.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:33 pm

If that is the argument, then why didn't MVS make the Game Winning Play?

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 10:00 am

Why didn’t Adams last year? That’s silly.

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Guam's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:34 am

Spot on CW. I think MVS is a known quantity at this point and he has value, but not at Spotrac's $8-9 million AAV. If the Packers can get MVS at a very reasonable price, he would be worth resigning both for his value and for taking some pressure off using a #1 for a WR. I think the Packers let MVS try out the free agent market for the next couple of weeks to determine what he is worth. They may find he can be resigned quite reasonably.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:42 am

He's a know value alright, and what we know mostly is he can run fast. We also know that he's at best a #3 receiver, if that.

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Guam's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:26 pm

That's kind of what I meant when I said "very reasonable price". He is a field stretcher and the Packers need one, but I would not pay anywhere near the Spotrac estimated price as he is not a #1 or #2 WR in my view.

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 10:21 am

We need a number one, a number 2/3 and a 4. Nobody I know is arguing that MVS is the 1. He, as you say, does fill a role. If we bring him back we need a 1 and a 4 In my book.

Am I overlooking Cobb? A little, but he’s a limited snap player. He’s a great WR 5 in my eyes at this point. Injury risk, but able to contribute at key moments significantly but not carry a game.

As to 4? Well that could be a rookie to start out, or we may see Winfree/Taylor/Blair or another 90 acquisition break out. I would give Funchess a shot, and I do expect Gute may dig up a one or two seeking redemption to compete.

That still leaves number 1. The chances of getting production at that level in a rookie year are very low, but that maybe the miracle needed to square the circle that the team has created.

1st Rounder, Lazard, MVS, Draftee/gem prove it pick up, Cobb, Winfree/Taylor/draftee. That may be our corps. If Gute can pull that off to an effective level, he will both deserve great praise and should thank his lucky stars, because luck will be needed.

Then we need another true TE who can contribute in the passing game. I’m not convinced that we find one in the draft. TEs are notoriously slow to adapt. Gute’s best hope comes from over picking receivers and finding an overlooked gem as well (particularly at TE). This may be the year many draftniks here get their wish.

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PeteK's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:50 am

I certainly agree that we need WRs that know the difficult learning curve of our offense, but not at the expense of another veteran WR.. Defenses adjusted to MVS by double teaming Adams. Couldn't help it, LOL

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:37 am

MVS wasn’t playing against the 49ers and their D knew it. After the first drive, no respect for anything deep.

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Minniman's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:21 pm

Exactly - which comes back to the need for role and versatility over excellence.

The Packers certainly need another WR with 4.3x speed to provide the coverage to stretch the field.

Comparing Adams and Metcalf. There are things that Adams can do in short and middle ground that Metcalf can't.... and it's evidenced in their tape, and measurables - Adams 6.82s 3-cone and 4.3s 20 yard shuttle somewhat explains why he's so good getting off the line and in his routes. Metcalf's 7.38 3-cone, 4.5s 20 yard and 4.34 40-yard help explain why he's a stronger boundary and deep threat.

If the Packers were to acquire Metcalf, then they'd probably need to bolster the slot receiver stocks...... which is perhaps where the Chris Olave selection could compliment this group (along with Lazard)??

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:37 pm

They need two.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:38 pm

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:38 pm

dbl down.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:09 am

I simply do not understand the imagined need to replace Adams with a shiny penny from another team and gobble up the $20 mil cap space and/or draft picks that were just earned.

That $20 mil is needed as an operational fund for rookies, UDFAs and in season talent moves. And to sign a few players for the trenches and STs.

Gutey has 11 picks...and he could yet end up with 13 or 15 with trade backs into day two and or the 4th round where plenty of value will be found this year. 4 year rookie contracts = Good for a cap crippled team.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:26 pm

The #22 should go to a WR and he should be a starter if the FO knows anything about scouting, this draft group is loaded. There are some High School offenses being run that are more sophisticated than Pro offenses from a decade ago. These receivers are well-coached to find openings. They must have some size and Intelligence to play the WCO version from MLF et.al. The OSU duo is outstanding. London, Pierce and Watson are not shy about making the big play. These wides are not coming from the Wisconsin ground and pound schemes.

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PeteK's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:48 am

Another WR FA is gone. JuJu to Chiefs for a one year 10 miil contract which is actually not bad. Landry two years 18 mill, 9 guaranteed with more as incentives?

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:27 am

Both likely out of our league. We have maybe 9 million in cap to allocate. The rest is operating cap space. Landry is a slot type anyway. We have Cobb and AmRod there. We need perimeter capable players.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:42 pm

They have four guys on the roster that know the playbook get two new guys in the first two rounds to put them over the edge. Reload = Rebuild.

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NickPerry's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:40 pm

Hmmmm...No offense friend but there are NO SPOTS on the Packers than the WR position.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 19, 2022 at 06:54 am

You may be right Cory, but I personally hope they don't go that route. DK is a mental midget, like many diva WRs, and the whole point of a MLF type offense is that you keep the defense uncomfortable by spreading the ball around. If Aaron Jones got upset everytime Dillon is having a big game, that's not a recipe for success. I hope this team builds a WR room that's more focused on winning than stats.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:58 am

If he’s that kind of character in reality, I doubt he and Rodgers mesh. That’s a legitimate concern. I’ve heard some things, but I’m not close enough to judge. Rodgers favorites are footballers first and good team mates. Adams, Jones, Nelson, Lewis come to mind.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:48 pm

Lockett is the better WR.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:04 am

Metcalf is a possibility. But why then pick a WR with the first pick. What about the second pick?

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:04 am

Metcalf is a possibility. But why then pick a WR with the first pick. What about the second pick?

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Since'61's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:21 am

I would rather trade MVS and a 4th round pick for Metcalf. Keep the 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and get a speed receiver who can actually catch the ball and run good routes.

MVS is 5 seasons in this year and he still looks lost. Has any team shown any interest in him during FA? (Which I believe is the case) If not, what does that tell us
Thanks, Since ‘61

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:07 am

Love for Metcalf ?

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Since'61's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:16 am

Works for me! Thanks, Since ‘61

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Johnblood27's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:44 am

Trade MVS?

He is not Packer property and wouldn't be unless the GBP sign him as a FA.

If Seattle wanted MVS they could simply sign him right now.

Cant trade what you do not have.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:39 am

Cant trade MVS, he’s a FA.

Sorry, posted without seeing you’d already pointed that out.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:52 pm

They have the two One Picks that carry the five-year option. If they hit on both it helps attenuate the accountants anxiety over distributing the CAP down the road. I really hope they are dialed in to hit on all four high picks. If some targets are there use the three and fours to get leverage. I really want Wyatt on the D line.

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:47 am

Adams wanted out. Good Riddance!. We couldn’t afford him. He knew that. So what if he had Rodgers trust. Rodgers needs to trust everybody! If they can’t catch the ball. Get somebody that can. Yes, Rodgers has a bitch! He needed weapons. They ignored that for 10 years. Well this is the last straw. It’s insulting to Rodgers that nobody listened to him. And it’s Gutey who must make this right now. Game changers don’t grow on trees. The remaining Wrs must be pushed. Pushed to Adams Level and beyond. Gutey must draft the WR position! It’s where speed lives. Stretching the field has to be priority one. Simply find the WR who can " Separate.” It’s nothing new. Lofton, Sharpe, and Walker were selected because of it. It’s Time. Gutey must invest in the WR position. The difference between talent, and development is on his shoulders. Forget the budget. Draft speed. Guys who want the ball.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:12 am

Draft or sign (hopefully both), Rodgers needs to invest in the off and pre season and get with his new crew as well as participating fully with them in organized training. Anything else would suggest he’s just here for the money. Receivers need time to work with him, and not just the initial starters if we are serious about winning. It’s not just about his practice need, it’s about them all practicing together.

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HawkPacker's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:03 am

'Draft or sign (hopefully both)'. Yes I agree with that statement as I mentioned above. Also, depending on who they would sign would go a long way as to when in the draft they draft other WR's along with being able to shore up other areas of need.

The other areas of need are defensive line, edge, safety, another CB even if they sign Douglas and especially TE.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:02 pm

Absolutely, Brady does it every Spring. This clause should be written in his contract with emphasis.

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 10:29 am

The CBA prohibits it. Brady just organizes it on his own initiative.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:19 am

We couldn't afford Rodgers, and as you said, Rodgers needs to trust everybody, but he won't.

You keep on making the case for why we should have sent Rodgers packing, but you keep on laying the blame everywhere but Rodgers' feet.

Rodgers isn't good for the Packers at this price point. We're stuck with him now, though. Tough times ahead due to all the cap buffoonery the Packers must commit to in order to try to maintain a team around a 39 year old QB with trust issues- both with WRs and coaching.

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PeteK's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:03 am

I could use some of that type of insulting. Another wide open receiver that he could ignore. Well now he will have to spread the ball around and be patient with our 1or 2 rookie WRs.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:57 pm

All I know is when they talk about HOF wide receivers, they do not generally mention their ability to Block. They screen out people, big difference. Get BIg TEs that have big mitts and catch the ball for that function.

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MarkinMadison's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:58 am

Metcalf is still young enough for Seattle to rebuild with, so this doesn't really make any sense to me. I was wrong about his hands, and his h/w/s is off the charts, so it would be nice for the Packers. I just don't see it from Seattle's side. Michael Thomas would be far cheaper, and probably a more likely trade target.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:13 am

Metcalf is on the last year of his rookie deal, so we’d have to extend it rent him. I’m not sure if that’s a great fit for him or us. I think if we bring in a vet, it would be better to look for one with a couple of years on his deal, that we deem ascending not ascended, before we commit ideally. As you say, I’m also not sure if Seattle would be inclined to deal him. I admit his name came into my head too on hearing the news, but I find this less attractive than I feel I ought to on paper.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:53 am

"I think if we bring in a vet, it would be better to look for one with a couple of years on his deal,"

That way they could add a few voidable years ...because that's what the Packers do with vets now.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:42 am

Where is my sharp stick? No cookie for you for raking that wound.

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Renllaw's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:57 am

Metcalf is a head case. I don't think the packers would bring in a guy like that. Super talent, but too many sideline shenanigans, to many on the field unsportsman conduct penalties, fights, etc.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 20, 2022 at 02:05 pm

Headcase? You mean he isn't sufficiently obedient for your taste?

Metcalf is a huge effort player. He's as big as a tight end and faster than lightning. He is Randy Moss-like. He does get mad when he is working his ass off to get open and Wilson didn't get him the ball. My only question is whether he's technical enough for the offense. He's a mile better than MVS. He's so much faster than Davante it's ridiculous. He's as physical as Julius Jones.

If they could get and sign Metcalf, it would be a huge win.

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Renllaw's picture

March 21, 2022 at 07:11 am

Sufficiently obedient? LOL. No, I mean a player that too often cant control his competitive fire and hurts his team by losing his cool. One of my favorite Packers, Alexander, sometimes loses his cool and hurts the team, but I love the ultra competitiveness that brings him to that edge. I didn't say I wouldn't make the move, I said the Packers probably wouldn't.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 21, 2022 at 09:53 am

fair enough. i read too much into that.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:57 am

The first and most impactful move that needs to happen to improve the production of the WR group is to demand the QB starts utilizing all of the options made available to him on the field.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:08 am

A lot of this is coaching and the balance between QB and HC. The new reality likely just tips the balance further to Rodgers. Let’s hope he buys into such ideas, but I’m dubious. One of the many reasons why I think retaining him is a flawed plan.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:47 am

Maybe,, just maybe... Clements can get into Rodgers head a little about opening up the field vision...

I can dream...

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:56 am

If he does, Clements will deserve a huge bonus. Rodgers seems to be his own biggest obstacle at times.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:20 am

Tom Clements (when given offensive play calling duties in 2015) enabled Rodgers to do whatever he wanted. It resulted in Tom being relieved of those duties, and Rodgers having a hissy fit when MM eventually took all ability to audible, adjust at the LoS, etc, away from Rodgers for a few weeks.

I understand Clements is a well respected QB coach, but his history with Rodgers in the past has been that of a hands-off buddy enabler more than a commanding voice of much needed tough love.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:44 am

So he can take over from Matt LaFleur? Might free up some time for LaFleur to better game plan at least.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:21 pm

Or we will finally see MLF fully equiped as cheer leader...

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:27 pm

I think Clements is in town for two years max.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:34 pm

I'd retire after back-to-back Super Bowl titles too...

; )

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 10:24 am

They have them every year. It’s just we don’t get the invite.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:22 am

In 2015, the Clements play calling resulted in a 10-6 season...1-1 in the playoffs, playing with a pathetic D.

I would be more than fine if MLF would give play calling to Tom and then concentrate on being the coach of the entire team...not just a glorified O coordinator.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 06:46 pm

That 10-6 record Includes a stretch in the middle of the season where the Packers dropped 4 out of 5 games including a loss to both the Bears and the Lions. They also scored 17 or less points in 6 games in 2015, and the offense was ranked 15th overall in points scored. Averaged 5.6 plays per drive. Averaged only 2:31 T.O.P. per drive. Averaged 1.83 points per drive. All significantly lower than 2014 or 2016.

There's a real reason why Clements was yanked from play calling and Rodgers was put on a leash.

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HawkPacker's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:12 am

I just wonder if Rodgers just has it in his head that he does not want to throw interceptions so he can have such good stats. Maybe he needs to change his thought process, especially this year as he will no longer have Tae and will have a lot of new guys. We will make the playoffs so start from day one spreading the ball around so when the playoffs start, he will have that trust in multiple receivers.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:27 am

That's exactly what it is.

Rodgers realized after sitting and waiting behind Favre for 3 years that he was at a serious disadvantage to catch up with total numbers type stats with the greats. He knew that his key to the record books were going to be efficiency stats- INT/TD ratio, yards per attempt, etc and so forth.

It's why for roughly 6 years Rodgers stopped throwing to anyone over the middle of the field. It's why Rodgers throws mostly un-catchable fast balls at targets' feet on most screen passes and other short, lateral routes. It's why Rodgers won't throw to wrs he considers 'covered' who most NFL QBs would 'throw open' with a leading pass.

Don't get me wrong, protecting the ball is a good thing, but for much of the last decade, Rodgers has taken it to almost phobic levels that often actually limit the offense. A scary thought, I know.

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NickPerry's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:55 pm

Absolutely correct Oppy. Personally I can't understand the "downvotes" on this comment because it's SO true.

Remember that play "27 Tampa", the one to Greg Jennings in the seam? Jennings caught it on the TD catch in SB 45 after the Bush interception, and again on what I still think is one of Rodgers greatest throws...EVER!

3rd and 10, the score 28-25 and Pittsburgh's regained the momentum. Rodgers threw that pass to Jennings when Ike Taylor had EXCELLENT coverage on Jennings and completed it for a 1st down. Taylor actually touched the ball slightly but not enough to alter one of the best passes I've seen Rodgers throw.

THOSE passes are a thing of the past. Rodgers never even attempts them anymore. I'd much rather lose TRYING to make that throw, than watching what Rodgers has become...Interception averse.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:25 pm

With Driver and Jennings the Packers threw those slants a lot. Quick 5-7 yard catch and run plays. They were lethal.

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:26 pm

Packers re-sign Douglass. 3 years can be up to 25 mil.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:12 pm

He has always been careful with the ball going back to his days @ CAL.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:34 pm

Again, there's a healthy level of protection, and then there's a refusal to throw at anyone inbetween the hashes.. or being terrified of throwing a catchable screen pass..

Rodgers' risk aversion has often tipped towards unhealthy.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 19, 2022 at 05:41 pm

"A scary thought, I know.."

What's scary is that you can get so deeply invested in an argument to not be able to step back and realize that you're saying protecting the football is a bad thing. Of maybe it is scary that you realized you said it, and said it anyways.

Just for the record. Protecting the football is a good thing. Not protecting the football is a bad thing. There are no exceptions or qualifiers. The most limiting thing to offensive production is not having the football on offense.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:17 pm

When there are plays on the field to be made, and you have the arm and the talent to make them, but you'd rather throw the ball away on 3rd and 6 instead of take the shot, it starts to become a problem. When you essentially start to ignore almost 1/3 of the available field, that's a problem.

As Nick Perry mentioned, you look back at Rodgers pre-2015, and post-2015, he's two different players. Rodgers used to 'throw receivers open', something NFL QBs must do, because NFL caliber corners and defenses in general don't give you a lot of wide open looks. He doesn't do much of that anymore.

We're not talking about crazy highlight reel throws. Rodgers has been neglecting to take throws that most QBs make on a weekly basis (unless it's to Adams.) He's started to get better about it the last few years under LeFleur, but he still leaves a lot of throws out there on the field.

The scary thing is how much better Rodgers and this offense could be if he wasn't so INT adverse. He leaves so many yards out there.

It's like being a defensive driver is a good thing. It lowers your insurance rates and generally limits your exposure to accidents. But refusing to merge with traffic for fear of getting in a collision gets you nowhere.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:38 pm

To respond directly to the core of your response, " Protecting the football is a good thing. Not protecting the football is a bad thing. There are no exceptions or qualifiers", I would remind you that anytime the ball leaves the QBs hand, there is an undeniable associated risk that a turnover may occur.

You are suggesting that a QB should never throw the ball, then?

No, that's ridiculous, you'd say. Well, of course it is. Just as ridiculous as saying there are no exceptions or qualifiers to the statement that protecting or not protecting the ball is a binary state as opposed to a sliding scale.

Risk-Reward is in every pass.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 19, 2022 at 05:33 pm

"A lot of this is coaching and the balance between QB and HC."

I'd be wiling to bet he does so because he knows that every interception that he sees in practice because a ball clangs off hands of iron or because of a poorly run route or because the DB outfights the WR is still a costly turnover. And when the situation because really big, that turnover is really bad.

That's not making excuses for him failing to throw to guys running wide open. He obviously should. It's trying to put myself in his shoes to understand the mindset. I don't think it is that he doesn't want to win. I don't think it is that he doesn't understand the benefits of diversified attack. I don't think it is that he is not coachable. I think the best explanation is his clear overwhelming desire to avoid turnovers at all costs. That's what he means by trust. He needs to trust that when he puts the ball where it is supposed to be, something bad isn't going to happen anyways.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 19, 2022 at 05:22 pm

"The first and most impactful move that needs to happen to improve the production of the WR group is to demand the QB starts utilizing all of the options made available to him on the field."

Is the "most impactful" thing that needs to happen that the 4-time MVP needs to understand and follow basic passing football concepts better or the collection of late-round picks, aging vets and UDFA WRs need a pretty serious talent infusion? I'm falling back on Occam's Razor and joining everyone I've ever seen comment on the subject that is not subject to the green and gold glasses effect. Upgrading the talent in the WR room needs to be the focus. Particularly now that we'll never again see Rodgers laser-lock on Davante Adams again.

Of course, that's not to say that Rodgers is perfect. He makes mistakes. But those mistakes are a part of a big picture. And the big picture says Rodgers is not the thing holding the passing offense back.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:24 pm

Rodger's refusal to throw the ball to all the available options sure is a part of the problem, a big one.

I've watched telecasts where the talking heads are espousing how amazingly accurate Rodgers passes are... while he's actively throwing behind his targets to throwing spikes at his feet. I've watched as everyone in football media has stated that none of Rodgers' WRs can get open, while there's literally targets open underneath he ignored, it's all on film to see. I watch as guys talk about how Packers wrs can't get separation, while the same talking head chastises a young QB for not pulling the trigger and thowing the ball to a WR under the same tight coverage, citing that in the NFL coverage is tight and if a WR has half a step on a defender, that's open in the NFL.

My point being, the narrative has always been that Rodgers hasn't been given the weapons and that's the only reason he struggles. It's flat out bullshit.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 20, 2022 at 11:47 am

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether the 2-time MVP is a "big" problem for the Packers passing offense. I'm comfortable citing those 2 straight MVP awards. If that is not compelling evidence to you, nothing will be and this is an utter waste of time to continue

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Oppy's picture

March 20, 2022 at 12:55 pm

Re-read the first sentence I wrote in the above post.

Now, re-watch the playoff loss to the SF 49er's in the divisional round of last season's playoffs.

If that's not a big problem, I don't know what is.

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Guam's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:15 am

The Packers just unloaded a mega contract WR and got multiple draft choices in return and the author wants our favorite team to swap multiple draft choices to Seattle for another WR who will demand a mega contract in one year? No thanks. Use a draft choice for a talented young WR who will be cheap for several years and help the Packers get past Rodgers' mega contract.

This draft is loaded with WR talent and top flight young receivers can be productive quickly in the NFL (See: Jefferson, Chase, Claypool, etc.). And they will have a HOF QB throwing to them. And please don't trot out the trust issue - Rodgers will have that with a new veteran just as much as with a rookie.

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PeteK's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:25 am

Good point with that list of immediately productive rookie WRs. College programs are getting more innovative in their passing offenses. Also, a very good O line with two solid RBs, and an improved D ( sign Douglas draft DT and Hicks on the cheap) should really help. I'm just crossing my fingers that a solid group of WRs can be harder to defend than a fixation on one great one, but that is up to the QB.

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Guam's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:19 pm

Thanks PeteK. Not sure I would go after Hicks unless he is veteran minimum. He has missed a lot of games the last two years due to injuries. That likely won't get better with age. Talented, but often unavailable.

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PeteK's picture

March 19, 2022 at 04:16 pm

Definitely an incentive based contract.

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ReaganRulz's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:37 am

This all definitely make our off-season fun to watch and we’ll see where the chips will fall (as you said).

Not to get into the weeds, but you could arguably say that Special Teams has held this team back for the past 2 years. Look at the last game….the mistakes were mainly special teams and it literally cost us the game. And these mistakes happened throughout the year with a POOR return game and a POOR kick-off game. It literally puts us in a bad spot on offense and defense. This has to get cleaned up regardless of current trade or draft options. Having a new ST coach is also a great first step.

So adding a few chess pieces at WR and other positions including some young high flyers for special teams can get us to the Super Bowl next year. Having Rodgers successfully captain’ing the ship again will also keep us in the hunt regardless. I for one like the move that Gute made and expect to get a veteran WR (not Metcalf…we all saw how he whines and pouts). Landry, Cooks, or Woods would be a nice add.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:28 am

We need some players who aren’t rookies or near rookies. Personally, I’m for bringing back MVS if we can get a prove it type deal, partly because he’s not a rookie and partly because he knows our system, but we need more.

I’d like to see MVS and another perimeter capable type or 2 such FAs. I don’t think we will get a premium player, but we need ones who run proficient routes and have speed and aren’t slot types. I’d be open to a prove it player like Funchess too, but we need players who can make Rodgers comfortable fast and who can play early and often.

It’s possible a Winfree/Taylor type breaks out, so much the better if they do, but it can’t be relied on. The same is true of AmRod at this point. We need to not only fill out our top 4 but upgrade our depth. Injuries happen. Even if we bring back MVS, we need another speed option.

Adams’ quick feet hid the lack of it fairly effectively on one side, at least against most Ds. This year we won’t have that ability to get open so often. It would be nice to have Ds fearing more than one player getting behind them, but perhaps more importantly to have injury cover in that role. If that player can help on STs, even better. We want some real competition in camp.

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Rossonero's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:39 am

I'd be ok with trading for Metcalf, just depends on what Seattle wants. Like Since61 mentioned, MVS has 4 seasons under his belt and has not broken out yet still. Sure, the guy is big and can run fast in a straight line, but do we need to pay him $8-10M per year just to keep Rodgers happy?

That's silly. Draft a young guy like Chris Olave at pick #22, who ran a 4.26 at the combine. We need to get younger and cheaper if we want to pay some of these other guys after kicking the can down the road.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:41 am

That assumes Olave is there. I have my doubts. It also assumed he’s ready fast, which is far from guaranteed. We aren’t in rebuild, we are in perhaps the most win now season ever. Experience has to be part of the solution.

I say that really liking Olave, but I think he’s climbing fast, for the very reason both of us want him-route proficiency, short area agility and elite speed. If he was available I’d take him like a shot. I’d slot him in to develop in the Adams type role and still want another deep threat if I’m greedy—his value is wasted going over the top regularly. He’s also a Gute type athlete though a little slight. 6 ft and a bit and 187 on a good day.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:06 am

You raise a very good point in that the draft is rich in speed but not so much in WRs who match the physical profile the Packers seem to prefer...at least, not early.

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:28 pm

Devante Adams 6’ 1” 216 lbs.
Jordy Nelson 6’ 3” 217 “
Sterling Sharpe 6’ 0” 207 “
Greg Jennings. 5’11” 198 “
James Lofton. 6’ 3” 187 “
Antonio Brown 5’10” 198 “
Donald Driver. 6’0 194 “
Javon Walker 6' 3". 215. "
Don Hudson 6'1". 183 "

Current Roster

MVS 6’4”. 201 “
Lazard 6’5”. 227
Amari Rodgers. 5’ 9”. 212.

Round 1 possible

Treylon Burks. 6020. 225 4.55
Jameson Williams 6014 179 Knee -DNP?
Chris Olave. 6003 187. 4.39
Garrett Wilson 5116. 183 4.38
Johan Dotson 5105. 178 4.43. ^ up
Drake London 6037. 219. DNP
Christian Watson. 6041. 208. 4.36 ^up
George Pickens. 6032. 195. 4.47 knee ^up

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:14 pm

Chris Olave vs James Lofton
Treylon Burks vs Sterling Sharper
George Pickens vs. Javon walker. = Reach @ 28? Was Interviewed by Packers.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:54 pm

You're thinking of a different Javon Walker, because he was a big, physical, fast dude: 6'3", 215.

You've cited a bunch of receivers that BG hasn't drafted. All I'm saying is that of all the WR that BG has drafted--and he's the one that matters here, not Ron Wolf or TT--only one (Amari Rodgers) goes less than 6'3" and while MVS and J'mon Moore listed under 210 lb. at the combine, They were both taller and added weight. The Gutekunst/LaFleur preference is demonstrably for bigger guys (specifically height), and many of the top receivers in this draft are 6'1" and below and go under 205.

I like Burks more than most, and he seems to fit the Packer paradigm. He's the kind of individual playmaker the McVay, Shanahan offense likes. The fact that he didn't seem to care about how he tested is more than a little problematic.

I think the Packers will skew defense early, but have a very offensive draft after that.

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:26 pm

Walker was 6'3". I corrected it. The reason for the bigger Wr is getting off the LOS. ( man to man). If they weren't looking at edge. ( Z Smith would have been resigned) But I believe they must make Rodgers happy. Wr early. Don Hudson was 6'1" 183.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:30 pm

Sharpe was a 4.4 guy and quick in and out of the cuts. Very Intelligent guy who knew the route tree right off the bat. Burks is not in his strata.

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:40 pm

Pre-Combine 4.3. After Combine 4.55. Pro day will put him back at 4.4. Olave is the best route runner in college. Supposedly.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:53 pm

He is on my list btw #18-22. His teamate, Garrett Wilson is the best short-area (red zone) wide receiver between the two and maybe the best out of this draft.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 20, 2022 at 03:00 pm

Can you expand on why you'd say that? The combine numbers were an absolute disaster for Burks. Prior to the combine, Burks was my clear favorite out of the lot of them. I'd like to hear something that makes me less jittery about the combine.

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dobber's picture

March 20, 2022 at 02:44 pm

Burks is a space player...and improviser. He's someone you find ways to get the ball and let him do his thing. He may never be a precise route runner or a technician.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:48 pm

I would not take Pickens at 28. I'd give him a good hard look at 52. Even if I had already added a WR at 22 or 28. If both him and Trey McBride were there at 52, it would be a very difficult choice to make.

With Davante gone, there is a lot of talk about the WR group. Let's not sleep on the need at TE. What would a guy like George Kittle or Travis Kelce or Mark Andrews do in ML's offense with Rodgers pulling the trigger?

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:23 pm

I don't know if ARod really knows what to do with a good TE.

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HankScorpio's picture

March 20, 2022 at 11:00 am

"I don't know if ARod really knows what to do with a good TE."

I say the Packers should give him one and find out. The closet thing he's had would be Jermichael Finley and that was many moons ago

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:33 pm

They had a chance to draft all three at one time or another. Maybe Hendrickson can figure out the position for them. He has done a great job with the O line draftees.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:32 am

That is exactly why I would like to see Watson (SDSU) in GB. He seems like a blue collar, Lazard type with more speed and off the charts athleticism. I think he could be a steal in the second round.

Yet, if Olave is still on the board with the first #1, take him.

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 11:07 am

My prediction is that we take 2 WRs in the first 4 picks. Where we take them depends on how the draft falls. It’s not impossible Gute trades up into the late teens. That would likely mean we only take 1 WR from 3 early picks.

Possibly the only player worth that is Olave. Williams is now a 2023 pick we need to pass on. Landon and Wilson, if they fall, but I’m not seeing that as likely and I think Olave may go sooner too.

If we can’t get one of them, I’d like to see a DL or OLB (I don’t see a TE meriting it at that point) and then trade back our own pick and go for Burks, Dotson and Pickens, using the extra pick for depth improvement is not going to be hard this year. In a dream world we might be able to snag a couple of those.

I’m not all that excited by the TE class on a very superficial look. McBride probably doesn’t reach us and, with Tonyan back I doubt we trade up. Maybe if he’s there at 22, but I’m not even sure we would then. I think there is better value in the late third and fourth.

By far my personal favorite is Jelani Woods. A QB who changed to TE then had to move to get used offensively. He can block and he can run. He’s not Lewis, but he’s big enough to be a red zone target and physical and he catches. The downside is he would need to pick up route finesse with only one year as a real offensive playmaker. Be a good option with Tonyan back in the late 3rd early 4th if he’s still there and we can get a pick in that zone.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:22 pm

London, Pierce, and maybe Burks are One Pick values.

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:24 am

We aren’t in rebuild.??? We are at WR! And it needed to be taken care of before they drafted Love. The packers want their WRs to block. You don't always get what you want. Olave is a good pick. Considering the weather in the midwest.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:49 am

We can’t be, we are still dancing in the most expensive ballroom ever and we’ve already paid for it.

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:07 am

Which WR on the current Roster has the hands and speed of a #ONE ?

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:21 pm

Lazard. He is just as fast as Adams (4.55 vs 4.56) and has excellent hands and is 6'5" vs 6"1".

But he needs a QB to throw to him...especially when he is wide open. May the QB will now do more of this.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:52 pm

What attracts me to Olave is his warp speed teamed with outstanding route running. That will quickly get Rodgers "respect" and "trust". He is supposedly good getting open on short routes and over the middle...not just a fly route guy.

Imagine if Gutey can also grab Watson with his second second rounder or his third, should he drop a little.

Olave, Watson in the room with MVS, A Rodgers, Lazard, Taylor, Winfree and "coach" Cobb is a tantalizing group of Fighter Jets for the Air Force.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:25 pm

Move up if these guys are close. Gutedkunst has demonstrated he knows how to make deals.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:12 pm

That 40 time is a mirage. Olave does not have Ty Hill speed.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:01 pm

Very true: Tyreek Hill is a freak...virtually nobody plays at his speed and with his acceleration.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:58 pm

Hill is a 4.23 guy.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 19, 2022 at 08:47 am

Please stop referring to Davante Adams as the league’s best receiver. He didn’t lead the league in receptions, yards, or TDs. He didn’t make big plays that help us win playoff games. He’s a good possession receiver and he had good chemistry with his QB, but if we’re choosing teams, I can think of receivers I’d pick before him.

We dress 5. Lazard, Cobb, and Amari are three of them. The #5 guy doesn’t play much from scrimmage. We don’t need to add 7 WRs , we only need ONE good one. The Davantevision thing will not be a problem.

Traditionally, we do not take WRs in the first round, but we’ve had exceptional success on Day 2 and I’d expect us to do that again this year. Gutekunst prefers large body guys but might go against type. I really like Wondale Robinson but there are some other good Day 2 choices.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:11 am

I’ve just started looking at WRs (and the overall draft really), but what I’m seeing is that there do not seem to be extreme standout players that demand a top 10-15 pick (at least healthy ones). Yet it seems unlikely some team(s) won’t pick one early.

I’m looking at this and wondering if this isn’t a draft where WRs get over drafted. By the 20s I’m thinking there will be a lot of second round options and possibly no genuine firsts.

If that is true, perhaps there is an BPA at another position of need that forces a pick, but perhaps also we could trade back with one of our picks and nab an extra bite in the second?

Starting to think that might work well for us in terms of WR picks (I’m thinking a lot of 2nd round rated WRs) and give us a chance at a TE of merit (Jelani Woods is one I’d love). I think we can use a lot of draft picks this year to fill out and upgrade the back end/STs and help in a cap squeeze. Competition on the 90 is good and would give BR something to work with.

Be interested in the thoughts of those of you who have been focusing on the draft.

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HawkPacker's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:16 am

My thoughts exactly CW and I noted that above. I think a lot depends on any remaining free agents that Pack can still sign before the draft. That will help us determine who to draft at what position and at what point in the draft!!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:02 pm

Jordy Nelson and Davante Adams werent standout cant-miss prospects either. My two favorites in this class are George Pickens and David Bell. Pickens is an all around gamer who does everything well and Bell kinda reminds me of Adams with his footwork and route running ability. Id be happy with either, both would be amazing. Cant see them using that much high end capital on receivers though.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:11 pm

I would be in favor of trading back with one of the 1st rounders to get another 2 and another 3. Houston for example...get their #37 and #68 for the #22.

Then I would trade one of the 3-2nd rounders for another 3rd and high 4th.

Load up on top talent on day one, two, and early on day 3 with players on rookie deals.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:14 am

He's led the league in virtually all major categories for WRs over the last 4 years overall.

He's not just a good possession wr with chemistry. He's a masterfully skilled WR who is arguably the best in the league. There's a reason why so many other WRs- in high schools, college, and the pros - study Adam's game reels.

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Coldworld's picture

March 19, 2022 at 09:51 am

He has incredible awareness, truly elite foot speed and is excellent in contested catch situations. He may not be the best overall, that’s subjective anyway, but he’s done it consistently for longer than others. I don’t know if he’s the best WR, but I’m pretty darn sure the difference is immaterial between him and who is if he is not.

Just like Rodgers is still a pretty darn good QB, the fact that he may not be the best usage of resources in a specific cap/roster situation doesn’t detract from that. Whether he will be as good at the end of his contract is open to question. But that’s always the case with a 30 year old.

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PeteK's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:53 am

Key to greatness, "he's done it consistently for longer than others" and I might add at a very high rate with a great character. He will be missed, but remembered as a Packer great. Sadly, veteran greats cannot all be signed.

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PeteK's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:41 am

LH,Possession receiver? You need to rub some saddle soap on that noggin. You knew that was coming, LOL

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:59 am

Thanks Pete...saddle soap on the noggin...there went my last good tooth, along with the recently sipped coffee sliding across the kitchen linoleum......

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Leatherhead's picture

March 19, 2022 at 05:59 pm

I didn’t intend that as a dig. A WR who can help move the chains is more valuable that a speedy deep “playmaker”, IMO. There’s a big group of people a who want us to get a guy who can “take the top off the defense”, but I’d be happier with be who can keep us the field..

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:30 pm

Now this I can agree with.

Deep speed WRs to back off a defense are a dime a dozen. The guy that can get open and make tough contested catches- particularly one who understands the defense and knows how to leverage it and make yards after the catch- that's the most valuable receiving talent, IMO.

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Oppy's picture

March 20, 2022 at 12:59 pm

I'm just going to go ahead and flat out say this:

If you down voted this post because you believe finding a WR who can run faster than the defense is more difficult than finding a complete WR who is skilled and understands how to work against different defensive coverages, you're a moron.

If you're downvoting because you're petty and just don't like me, carry on.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 03:44 pm

When your starters are injured, who replaces them in your ideal world. Get better, get faster, win.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 19, 2022 at 10:32 am

I love Metcalf's ability, but I don't think he's a good fit for Green Bay. This draft has a bunch of first-round-worthy receivers, so I'm hoping we get one, but it's hard to predict how this draft will go. I won't be surprised if a top receiver drops all the way to #28. Treylon Burks and Drake London are my top two WRs that fit Green Bay's offense, but I don't think they will drop to 28. Jameson Williams is a great deep threat, but he may not play this year due to his ACL, and I'm not convinced he's a good fit for Green Bay--I'd take him at 29 but not at 22.
Same thing for Olave--super fast but SO light weight; is he going to be able to block the way LaFleur demands? My personal best-fit is Georgia's George Pickens: a do-everything gamer.
I also love Christian Watson, but I'm not sure he can have an impact as a rookie--he'll need development.
My big take actually, and I'll probably be restating this multiple times in the future, is I'd like to do one of two things: ONE--Trade Jordan Love and use the pick 29 on Desmond Ridder or Kenny Pickett if they are there, or TWO-- keep Love, but trade pick 29 for someone's first rounder in 2023. That is going to be a good QB draft, and would be the perfect time to have two #1s to trade up and target Rodgers' replacement.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:00 am

"Will this hurt the offense? Sure, in the short term it will. But in the long term, it will make the offense better. Rodgers is 10-1 without Adams, mainly because it has forced him to spread the ball around and rely on others."

Well, it seems in the "short term" the Packers did just fine without Adams being force fed.

After Favre lost his security blanket, Sharpe, to injury retirement, he earned 3 straight MVPs, went to two SBs, winning one Lombardi.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:57 am

Favre was also like 25 at the time. Kind of an important detail.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:24 pm

I don't think Favre ever had a "security blanket." Sharpe *demanded* the ball in the huddle, and the Young Ol' Gunslinger was more than happy to oblige. Remember back when a 100 catch season was a big deal? Sharpe made that happen more than Favre with any type of Sterlingvision. Brett was never shy about where he was slinging it.

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splitpea1's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:10 am

NO! I have no idea what the Packers are going to do about finding veteran WRs, but parting with a first-round pick and our first fourth-rounder is a horrible idea. I would like to see Gute resist the temptation to trade away picks and give up another fourth-rounder again. Here's a great chance to significantly upgrade our roster across the board--don't blow it!

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 04:09 pm

They have two four picks. They have the ability to move on a guy, if necessary. Volume doesn't equal quality of product with this crew. His 2019 draft demonstrated what not to do and I believe he's learned his lessons. Looking forward to some talented guys coming onboard. WR, OT, DE, TE, WR.

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jont's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:17 am

Looks like it will be a while before we know where MVS will play. Gute appears to be waiting to see what offers MVS attracts.

https://wisportsheroics.com/packers-mvs-expects-huge-payday-in-free-agency/ writes that "MVS is expected to be looking for a deal that will pay him about $10 million annually (and interested) teams are New England Patriots, Chicago Bears, and Jacksonville Jaguars". Da Bears got EQ and might be out now, but the writer goes on to say that GB is not in the market at this price.

If this is accurate, a big if to be sure, I'd agree. He's got value but not this much. We'll see how it shakes out.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:35 am

Douglas is a more important priority.

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Packerpasty's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:20 am

Also a TE is much needed, no one knows how Tonyan will come back from injury...

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:37 am

I think Jared Cook is still available. Plug and play TE. Plus a press conference with Cook and Lewis would be a deep baritone discussion!

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:24 pm

I just don't get the fascination with Cook. Great traits coming out, but more tease than great production.

It would be fun to have each of them say, "No, >> I << am your father!" or "I find your lack of faith disturbing." at the podium.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 04:13 pm

On his downside, reluctant blocker.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:36 pm

Having to hear Rodgers talk about "Cobby" and "Cooky" again would a deal breaker.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:55 am

Dont sleep on Deguara. The kid can play.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:26 pm

He's going to have to start bringing it. With all those targets up for grabs, he'll get a chance.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 04:17 pm

They need to run His plays and use him as a multiple H-Back. He is a Chris Cooley type guy. LaFleur has to evolve.

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 11:17 am

He’s not a TE, he’s smaller, faster and a better open field blocker than in line. He was drafted to be used as an H Back. We need to use him as such, not as a back up true TE. Play to strengths not arbitrary labels. Last year with the loss of Tonyan and the departure of his back up, Deguara was miscast by necessity, giving David his chance. I don’t write off Davis as a contributor at TE either.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:40 am

I think, we look more closely at the personality profiles of the WRs before we draft them. See if it is in their nature to be patient 2-3 years before the QB (Love?) will throw them the ball.

Hopefully each WR was asked during interviews; so, let's just say...you have a QB who is becoming more and more of a diva. Do you have any experience in this type of situation and how would you handle it? Do you know what the death stare is?

On another note, hopefully Bakh will be back...if not, how long do you wait? If there is even a question about his future, do you draft a replacement or is there one on the roster currently healthy?

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stockholder's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:45 am

Personalities? How about the wonderlic test. Love scored a 27. And did you know Javon Walker had the same measurements as Amari Rodgers. Walker stretched the field. Rodgers sits the bench.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:03 pm

No, I did not know about Amari and Javons similarities. Or the wonderlic...thanks for sharing Stock.

Just getting a little tired about lack of accountability and having to figure out perception vs reality. I get tired when I hear someone saying they were having fun and geez, this was the most fun I had this season. I am all for gratitude, appreciation and being in the moment (present). However, I don't give a damn if you are having fun or not. Either get all in or get all out. Retire, move on...or quit bitching about how bad you have it and dare I say, even commiting to working with your offensive teammates before the season starts. When you accept the ca$h, there are some responsibilities that come with it...try your hardest to help the team reach the ultimate goal...the Team Goal. Young players look at you and see how you handle your business. Actions will always speak longer and echo far longer than words.

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dobber's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:06 pm

That's because they weren't similar. Walker was 6'3" and ran a 4.4 with elite acceleration. His retro-RAS is here:

https://ras.football/2020/01/03/javon-walker-ras/

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 04:21 pm

Rodgers was a head scratcher for a # three. Maybe he works on his lateral movement and footwork?

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 11:28 am

Favre scored a 22 and is a Hall of Famer. Terry Bradshaw 16. Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning 28. The test is largely discredited now anyway.

Javon Walker was nothing at all like AmRod as an athlete or player. Walker was 6’3, AmRod is 5’9. Both weighed in at 210 plus, only emphasizing the difference in body type.

Where do you pull this stuff from?

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wildbill's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:42 am

Adams showed , as we already knew, that’s it’s all about the money. The cheap shot he took at Rodgers after the franchise tag shows his real self. He will be welcomed, at some point, in the Packers HOF but don’t let the screen door hit your ass on the way out.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:54 am

What cheapshot did he take at Rodgers? Thats news to me.

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wildbill's picture

March 19, 2022 at 12:18 pm

A buddy of mine sent a pic of his statement of him feeling betrayed by Rodgers. Wish I knew how to link the pic to here

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 19, 2022 at 02:55 pm

I would like to know when the 2 rounder was included in the deal...before or after the Packers told Adams they would see the Raiders bet and raise it.

Raiders: "Hey Brian...we are aware you have offered Adams our deal and a little more. Would a second rounder added to the first rounder end this for you?"

Gutey: "Yes. Yes it would."

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:45 pm

Was it a meme, wildbill? I'm not finding anything along those lines anywhere from reputable sources. Bullshit travels at lightening speed these days and is repeated even faster.

If it was only about the money for Adams he'd still be in Green Bay.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 19, 2022 at 04:27 pm

He clearly demonstrated he was all-in for the Last Dance. They did Not re-sign/extend him in the Summer of '21. The terms of employment were on the table. He had built a new Home in Vegas. He and Carr were a dynamic combo for Fresno State and he is near his Family. This isn't Russia. He has free will. Gutedkunst played the tag as it was his bargaining biscuit for leverage. The Vegas talk was in full view and discussion since last summer.

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Meader99's picture

March 19, 2022 at 01:38 pm

Adams leaving could very well be a blessing in disguise. We all saw Rodgers missing open receivers because he was so focused on Adams. The Packers have clearly been able to overcome games un which Adams didn't play. Rodgers may actually be better without Adams. I liken this to Favre back in the day. When Sterling Sharpe was our workhouse, Many times Favre forced the ball to Sharpe. After Sharpe suffered his career ending injury, Favre actually got better at seeing the entire field. This might be the lone weakness in Rodgers' game currently.

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Oppy's picture

March 19, 2022 at 07:43 pm

No good place to put this comment, but I saw yet another crazy QB extension go through the league.

Veteran QB salaries are headlong into the unsustainable if you are trying to field a competitive team around them.

If I were a GM, I'd seriously consider stockpiling round 1 and round 2 QB talent every draft. Develop them for a year or two and then trade them away while they're on first contracts. First contract QB talent is going to become a hot commodity in the NFL.

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Coldworld's picture

March 20, 2022 at 11:32 am

Desperate teams and expected TV money led cap rise lead to this every time. It’s started already, and the desperate teams lead the wave as usual.

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Shinesman's picture

March 19, 2022 at 11:41 pm

To think we could have drafted Metcalf. I remember the hate I got for suggesting it on Packerchatters and BR. Now everyone is all about him. Crazy how that works.

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