Cory's Corner: Packers need energy at defensive coordinator

With Brian Gutekunst officially getting introduced on Monday, all the focus goes to who the next Packers defensive coordinator will be. This is a huge hire considering the defensive side of the ball was such a train wreck this past year.

With Brian Gutekunst officially getting introduced on Monday, all the focus goes to who the next Packers defensive coordinator will be.

This is a huge hire considering the defensive side of the ball was such a train wreck this past year. Not just in production where the Packers ranked 23rd in passing defense and 17th in rushing defense. But also in communication that saw this unit look bewildered with only 10 players on the field and players not knowing where they were supposed to be.

Dom Capers is 67 and the defense is mainly filled with younger guys. Among the Packers’ defensive starters, only Clay Matthews was older than 30. Even though the defensive coordinator is a head of the defense, he still needs to be relatable and Capers didn’t look like he was able to relate to many players.

That tells me that the next defensive coordinator should be someone with some energy and someone with some fire. Heck, Capers was more like a CEO during the season because he usually watched games upstairs from the coaches box, when he should’ve been visible by offering some valuable insight and encouragement.

First of all, I would go outside of the organization to make this hire. Hiring internally only reinforces that everything was OK, which it wasn’t.

Secondly, it’s about energy and the person that fits this example is Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll. I know he drives a lot of fans nuts because of his zany antics on the sideline, but you can tell that he lives and dies with each snap and his players feed off that.

The first name that comes to mind is Kevin Greene. The current outside linebackers coach for the Jets is a hands-on teacher and most importantly he really resonated with Matthews. If anyone can get more out of Matthews it’s Greene, and since he was already a Packers outside linebackers coach for five seasons, he makes sense.

Another name that is interesting to me is Carnell Lake. He is in his sixth season coaching the defensive backs for the Steelers and has done a great job with Pittsburgh, which ranked fifth in passing. Lake is also known for letting younger players play through mistakes “From day one, I was thrown in the fire,” said Lake in 2015. “You make a lot of mistakes. If you can correct those quickly, and make some plays while you’re doing it, you can stay around a while.” I agree with that sentiment and there are plenty of young players on the defensive side of the ball that can benefit from that philosophy.

The third name that sticks out to me is Cardinals inside linebackers coach Larry Foote. The upside is that he’s 37. He finished his career in 2014 which means many younger players will recognize him winning two Super Bowls, which adds to his credibility. Foote was an excellent leader as a player and has matriculated that to the sideline. If you want the defensive version of Sean McVay, it’s Larry Foote. 

This is a huge hire for McCarthy, not just because the defense needs to get better in order to restore the Packers’ pecking order in the NFC, but for McCarthy’s stress levels. It needs to be great because McCarthy’s seat is a little lukewarm now.

McCarthy got what he wanted. He better choose wisely. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Hematite's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:27 am

I like this article because it mirrors my thoughts.
I would prefer someone who's younger and more energetic and can relate to the players.
I want to see the DC on the sideline interacting with his players and feeling their pulse as the game progresses.
I want the antithesis of a Dom Capers type.

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The TKstinator's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:29 am

As well as the antithesis of the Dom Capers results.

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The TKstinator's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:29 am

Energy, yes, fire, yes, attitude, yes.
And expertise.

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:41 am

Agreed. Expertise is the first priority. "Energy, fire, and attitude" won't get you very far, and they are not the same as being aggressive.

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dobber's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:11 am

I've said for a while that the Packers D might have some speed--and they do--but they don't play fast. I want a defense that plays fast. If you're going to make mistakes, make them going 100 mph with your hair on fire.

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Barnacle's picture

January 09, 2018 at 12:03 pm

I agree. The versatility methods of Capers/MMoran slows everything. Guys are thinking about all of their diverse responsibilities, not much is automatic?

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Turophile's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:32 am

Because the defense under Capers was poor enough to (eventually) get him fired, it's easy to end up criticising everything he did.

I have no problem with a coordinator who views things up in the box. You get a better sight of what offenses are trying to do up there. Different people have different ways to do things, so sideline or box - it doesn't matter to me.

I do like the idea of an energised guy, but that can come over on the field and in coaching rooms, Monday to Saturday.

One of the things I'd like to see in a new D coordinator, is a continual willingness to try players at other positions BEYOND THEIR ROOKIE YEAR.

The Packers DO try this when a player first joins them, to see where they fit best and what they can and cannot do. However, when they have tried that, they tend to pigeonhole the guy in a certain spot and leave him there. That is the mistake.

A player often cannot handle a certain role when he is a rookie. Everything is just a whirlwind, he is trying to understand a way more complex system than anything he has done before. He is just trying to keep his head above the water, at first. Fast forward a year or two when the understanding is much deeper and the game has slowed down for him. THEN a player may be able to handle what he couldn't before.

If you want to see that failure in action, then look at Hyde, who flourished as a free safety after being moved on from a hybrid role in GB. Look at Hayward, who made the pro bowl by moving to perimeter corner after leaving the Packers, where he was a slot guy.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:40 am

Capers was once famous for building defenses around his talent. It seems like latterly he was trying to force his players to fit his schemes. Overall, it just became a completely disorganized, confused mess. The new Coordinator must be able to use what he has effectively both as a group and individually. That Is why I’m hopeful we will find our D roster is better than it has seemed.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:14 am

I have been saying this for the past 7 YEARS!!

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The TKstinator's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:19 am

As a keen observer of human behavior, I have noticed that “I told you so” in any of its iterations is usually not well received.

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cuervo's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:36 am

Nice thoughts, but there is zero chance MM puts someone that hasn't been a DC before into that role....and that includes any of the internal candidates (except his buddy Winston Moss).

Hiring any of the people mentioned would be a risk, and MM has 1 year to prove himself for a new contract. We'll get Fangio or Pettine, or another person similar.

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dobber's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:14 am

I think you're probably right. I said before that I thought MMs hire would be a 'household name' and someone with head coaching experience (since, by all accounts he values having that on his staff). Well, he got Philbin back and he has that HC experience...so it could be that all bets are off at DC at this point. I still think MM is likely to choose someone who has been around the block at DC before, though.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:36 am

Energy and youth are good, but so is a track record of aggressive effective defenses. So far Fangio and Pettine fit that, and have done it with really bad offenses. Other candidates welcome, but I would take either of the two currently scheduled. At this point I lean a little more to proven over potential solely because of where Rodgers is in his career.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:42 am

"Heck, Capers was more like a CEO during the season because he usually watched games upstairs from the coaches box, when he should’ve been visible by offering some valuable insight and encouragement."

I think watching from upstairs gives better view.

But what I know. Many people think that better view is from badger's position...

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:59 am

It isn’t the view it’s the scheme and how it’s played. An overall view should allow for a more holistic view of the actions of the whole defense. On the field helps with player motivation and correction individually. Both are good in their own ways.

It was not Capers being upstairs that was the problem; it was the fact that his players consistently struggled to play effectively in his scheme. In short, it got so degraded that it no longer mattered where he was once the game started.

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dobber's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:16 am

This kind of correction mostly falls on position coaches, though. Doesn't it?

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:51 am

Bingo! That is the position coaches responsibility.

Also, it is ridiculous to think that the DC should be involved in "player motivation" during the game. The DC should be 100% dedicated to analyzing what has occurred during the game and making adjustments based on what has happened. The DC shouldn't be involved in some kind of goofy "rah-rah" antics during the game.

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Packer Fan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:47 am

I like this article too. I don't think looking inside for DC is good. Can be viewed as just the same old thing.

I like the idea of a energetic person. The defense has first to be respectable. A new coordinator can make that happen the first year. It will take years and drafts to make it dominant.

Another pass rusher is needed for sure. But we need DB help. House is an OK backup, but not a game changer and not a starter. I don't want to pin hopes on players making jumps from one year to the next. We need a shut down corner, some veteran depth and some coaches that will do a better job coaching up the young players.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:02 am

Sometime, after disfunction, even good people need a fresh approach and a chance to clear their heads. I think a good external DC would be a great thing for the likes of Perry and Whitt and help them more in their career long term than elevation at this point. The Capers decline was just to comprehensive and to long lasting.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 06:55 am

I have heard Carnell Lake's name being brought up a few times now. I haven't heard if they submitted a request to talk to him yet. But he might be a guy worth watching.

I see that they have an interview with Pettine today. Now that they officially can talk to Fangio, it will be interesting to see if they get something set up with him.

I think they are going to go with a more established DC this time around. I think they are looking for a guy who knows how to improve a defense. Since we aren't technically in a rebuild, but more of a reboot mode they are looking for a faster fix.

Today and the next couple could be really interesting.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:01 am

RC,

I have to disagree with you again:

We are in a reboot on offense. We absolutely in a complete rebuild on defense. Is the personnel better than it's been showing? Yes. Is it good? No sir. No it's not.

We need a rebuild on defense.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:28 am

We disagree on words, but I think we mostly agree that the defense needs to change, which its underway.

Getting a new defensive Coordinator which is underway. The 3/4 defense is fine, they just needed a new general to run it.

The defense already has a quite a few players in place as well as some really good up and coming players. They don't need 11 new players. They really need 2-3 plus backups.
They have Daniels, Clark, Martinez, King, Randall, Clinton-Dix (prior to 2017), Mathews, Perry, Lowry. They have Adams, Biegel, Josh Jones, Kentrell Brice, Evans, Pipkins. Quinton Rollins might be a guy that could do better with a new DC. Also perhaps he could move to Safety?
While there are questions on some of these players, I think a new DC could get more out of each of these guys if they were used in different ways.

They absolutely have to upgrade the pass rush. They honestly need a speed rusher and another pass rusher. They also need a lockdown style CB. Perhaps King will be the guy, but they need another one plus build up the depth.

I think they need another ILB. I like Joe Thomas but honesty I think Ryan needs to go. He is a 2 down ILB at most. Offers little as a rusher and is exposed in the passing game. Adding a sideline to sideline ILB who could also possibly blitz would give them a ton more options.

IMO they are 2-3 key players away on defense from really improving. Could potentially be a top 10 defense with 1-2 key players. Look at the turnaround the Saints have had. Just 1 lockdown CB really changed their defense.

We are not that far away, IMO.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:51 am

See, but your two statements: "We disagree on words" and then "we need 2-3 (starters) plus backups" are cognitive dissonances in my opinion.

We need BOTH OLB's to be replaced. We cannot count on Perry to stay healthy. He never has. Not once in his 6 year career. Matthews is done as an OLB. Perhaps the new DC could move him to chase WILB and have him shadow TEs/RBs/spy on mobile QBs. And then run him at the QB intermittently. But he's done as a traditional pass rusher. He actually was done about 2014.. but I digress. So we need BOTH OLB starters replaced, PLUS depth outside of Perry. THEN we need a CB1/2 - depending on King. Yes, we have some nice pieces at ILB, both 5 techniques, FS if he's motivated, NT and nickel CB. But that leaves a lot to be desired.

Do you not see the enormity of your replacement request? That IS a rebuild. Almost a complete overhaul! Now, it's been done before in the NFL - you can rebuild a unit (or even a whole team) if you hit everything right in the offseason. But to bank on those odds? ehhhhh.....

No sir. I'm willing to call a spade what it is. We are doing a complete overhaul on defense, and IF we get everything right, we can expect a top 10 defense in 2019. Not 2018.

Respectfully, we disagree - and not just on words. The offense is going to be the stronger unit again in 2018. I'll just be happy with a top 15 defense by DVOA.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 11:14 am

Not really. what I'm saying is its not a complete rebuild. I truly think we are 2-3 key (starters) players away on defense to turning it around.

Lets say they split Mathews and Perry's time at one OLB, and added another starting OLB. That would be more then sufficient. Mathews is still a problem for offenses. While he didn't have the sack numbers he was causing problems for teams. Perry can't stay healthy. But we are basically stuck with him. Having someone share time with him would help.

We have 2 CB's in place. King and Randall. Need 1 more starter and better backups. DL is in good shape overall. But pending on what defense they run they could use another pass rushing DE/DT.

We need 1 OLB, 1 CB without a question. Then they really could use an upgrade at ILB over Ryan. Thats 3 starters. The rest of the needs are situational players and backups. That's not that much to ask for. I think the quality of the depth needs to be upgraded. Can't have 3 UDFA CB's on the roster anymore.

3 starters is not a rebuild.

We are changing the defense. Having a new DC I think will be one of the biggest upgrades we can make. Fangio really knows how to get the most of the players. Look at the Bears defense. They don't have that great of players but finished in 9th in points and 10th in total yards given up. They also basically beat the Panthers by themselves.
The point is we have a lot of pieces in place. Getting a new Coordinator will go a long ways to helping the defense out.

That's OK If we disagree about it.

I at least that I know I'm right. ;) lol.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 09, 2018 at 11:18 am

fairy tales and sunshine. lol ;)

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 11:24 am

Aluminum foil hat wearers. lol

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Bearmeat's picture

January 09, 2018 at 12:45 pm

hehehe. that always makes my day.

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dobber's picture

January 09, 2018 at 01:07 pm

"We are changing the defense. Having a new DC I think will be one of the biggest upgrades we can make."

The choice at DC will likely have something to say about what positions need the most drastic upgrades, too.

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Finwiz's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:42 am

I like your summary, but I think you overestimate the talent on offense, and defense as well.

They need 3-4 players on defense, minimum.
1.) Disruptive end to go with Clark and Daniels
2.) 1 inside linebacker, possibly 2, and backup talent.
3.) Corner starters are OK, but they badly need backups because these guys will get hurt for sure
4.) Safety to replace Burnett, and who knows about HHCD - that could be a problem as well.

When I add it up, thats.... 1, 1-2, 1, 1...so that puts it at 4-5 minimum.
They badly need something besides just GUYS on defense - they need difference makers, play makers....disruptive guys. Call them what you want, but they need some players with a higher level of talent.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 11:22 am

The offense for the most part is in place. The have to add a WR and TE. And possibly RG/RT.

I explained my defensive thoughts to Bearmeat above.

To comment on your points.

"1.) - They have to upgrade the pass rush for sure
2.) I think ILB will be a higher priority with a new DC. Fangio's defenses was at its best with Willis and Bowman.
3.) I think they need 1 more starting Caliber CB and then upgraded backups. I'd love to bring House back to be our 4th CB.
4.) I'm really interested to see what happens here. With a new GM and a new DC will retaining Burnett become a higher priority?

The thing to remember is having a new GM that has said he will be more active in FA, that now is a revenue for new players. It won't all be done in the draft like before.

I agree. They need difference makers. Guys that can make plays down after down or come up with huge 3rd down stops.
A couple of guys on the Packers roster could become those types of guys also. Josh Jones, King they could become those guys. Vince Biegel? Maybe.

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January 09, 2018 at 11:35 am

I completely disagree on House. He's just not very good.
He gets close to being in position on most plays, but has no ability to make plays on the ball. He's nothing like I thought he could be.
House is a teaser - a guy that looks physically great, but doesn't play to that level. Bring him back on a minimum deal and let him compete for the 5-6th CB. If he has to play, you have troubles.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 12:03 pm

Problem with House this year was he was never healthy. It was hard to get a real feel for how he really is. I don't know if he would be back or not, but if he is I am hoping at most he is the 4th CB. He would be fine in that role. He would be a good backup to have come in when needed. Is he perfect, no. But as a backup he would be fine.

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January 09, 2018 at 12:56 pm

Agreed on House. He was hurt all year. I'd be open to another 1 year for him.

Remember in May of last year RC that I mentioned how scared I was of pass rush being a major problem. Well.....

I'm telling you, we need not 1 but 2 pass rushers this offseason. And it's an awful offseason for OLB. We've got a problem.

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dobber's picture

January 09, 2018 at 01:09 pm

"we need not 1 but 2 pass rushers this offseason."

Cut CMIII and you can increase that number by 1.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 02:04 pm

Exactly right Dobber.

So many people want to just cut him loose.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 02:02 pm

Yeah, I was skeptical but had faith about the OLB. But Fackrell was stepping up late in the year and I thought he was going to take a year 2 jump. They had Elliott who I still love. They also drafted Biegel but then his injury really hurt him. Then they brought in Brooks which I liked but the problem was they cut Elliott. Mathews was good overall but had no one else. Perry was hurt all year and so was Brooks.

IMO they need 1 starter and 1 rotational guy for sure.

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Finwiz's picture

January 09, 2018 at 02:21 pm

Fackrell's awful and will NEVER be any good. Mark it here.
Brooks was a flier on a FA that didn't work. He was hurt more than healthy, and relatively invisible when he played.
They need a lot of help on defense, and the new GM knows it.
Hopefully the new DC knows it too.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 02:43 pm

Yeah, I think Fackrell could be or likely will be gone. With a new regime unless he does a 180 I think he will be gone. He was terrible last year.

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January 09, 2018 at 06:57 am

I would personally love to see Kevin Greene come back, but only as LB coach. I feel like the pass rush has tapered off since his departure and his expertise along with a proven aggressive DC would do wonders for our defense.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:04 am

Isn’t Greene coaching OLB in New York now?

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January 09, 2018 at 07:06 am

I'm looking for someone that is a stickler for fundamentals. I'm sick and tired of poor tackling.

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January 09, 2018 at 09:10 am

Pad level

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January 09, 2018 at 07:09 am

Fangio is definitely my first choice. I highly doubt Bradley is going anywhere although we ARE talking about the Chargers so who knows for sure. Fangio immediately brings a pretty high level of credibility with him. Players seem to love playing for him and his rankings on even BAD teams speaks for itself. Hopefully this gets done quickly. The longer they wait the bigger chance guys like Fangio are signed by someone else.

Edit... What about James Bettcher of the Cardinals? Is he available or has he been retained??

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:14 am

Fangio is my first choice as well.

Pettine I think would be good.

I haven't heard anymore about Bettcher. I know he was interviewing for the Cardinals head coaching job, but haven't heard anymore since.

The top reason why I would absolutely love Bettcher is for Josh Jones. Bettcher transformed Deone Bucannon into an ILB, and the Packers drafted Jones to basically be the Bucannon of the Packers defense.

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January 09, 2018 at 08:25 am

Mike Pettine is one of those guys who I think, with his breadth of background (in terms of where and who he's worked with), is a very intriguing possibility. He's been an HC, and has worked as an OLB coach and could provide a spark there.

The guy is 51...I know I'm getting old when I see that and go, "and he's still pretty young, yet."

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January 09, 2018 at 09:47 am

I think he would be a good option. Honestly I never thought of him until he was set to interview with the Packers. But he would make a lot of sense.

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January 09, 2018 at 08:56 am

I agree with both you guys, Fangio is my guy too. Something tells me they have been waiting for things to clarify with Chicago head coaching situation to see if he's available. The other possibility is that some candidate is still active with a team in the playoffs.

What Fangio was able to do with a truly lousy Chicago team was pretty impressive, not to mention his great defenses with the 49'ers. Get this guy in here, and get it done soon MM, before somebody else like Detroit grabs him.

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January 09, 2018 at 09:46 am

Fangio was under contract until 1201 this morning. So they had to wait to talk to him.
I just read on twitter that Fangio is the Packers top target and are hoping to schedule an interview with him.

I completely agree that they need to get him here.

Having a young GM willing to use all revenues to build talent should be more attractive for him too.

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January 09, 2018 at 07:08 am

Bradley, Fangio, Bettcher, Pettine. In that order.

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January 09, 2018 at 08:39 am

Yeah, haven't heard much said about Bettcher. i think he is still looking for a head coaching gig. If he's ok with being a DC, he is a strong candidate.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:32 pm

Any one of those four would be good. Let’s get one and not worry which one

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January 09, 2018 at 07:29 am

MM is doing a pretty good search for DC in turning over stones I wouldn't have thought about. Pettine was a coach I liked a lot, but with Bradley and Bettcher out there as well....like I said turning over a lot of stones. This is just my opinion....I would perfer a guy like Whitt over a Greene but would lump Whitt/Foote/Lake/Pettine all in the same basket and see who had the best vision and pick him.

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pacman's picture

January 09, 2018 at 09:04 am

"McCarthy got what he wanted." - what does that mean.? We were all worried that Murphy wouldn't mix in but he clearly did - way more than many of us thought. MM had no choice here. I doubt the new DC will just be his choice without approval from the new leadership committee.

I don't know if the new structure is good or not. But clearly this is a full rebuke of TT's reported style. I'm fine with MM having to listen to more voices (read: criticism). I'm not sure how he will deal with that pressure though.

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January 09, 2018 at 08:27 am

I suspect that MM will have a lot of latitude in hiring his coaches. I don't think Murphy is likely to do much but rubber stamp his choices...much like TT would have likely done. I don't think Gutekunst or Ball will be players in this decision.

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pacman's picture

January 09, 2018 at 09:09 am

Many think the new DC should be a 'firey' guy. I tend to agree. But that might upstage MM and he might not like it. It is up to Murphy et al to make sure MM doesn't get HIS guy but gets the BEST guy.

(appending) - by "firey", I don't mean animated. Just someone who will light a fire under the guys aren't tackling well or playing hard. Watching the game from the booth seems to make sense to me. Not interested in Caroll.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:37 pm

All the coaches coming in have done it more than once. I particularly like coaches who have had good defenses on bad teams. It is much harder to defend over a season with an offense that scores around 20 points average than one that scores 30. If they can do that they can coach what we need with Rodgers leading our offense, especially if we can bring back some mojo via our new old OC

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Tundraboy's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:20 am

Isn't it wonderful we finally are talking about this. Not sure I wanted it it to be MM's pick tho.

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January 09, 2018 at 04:23 pm

It is always refreshing to talk about the fact that Capers is being replaced. When they said Capers is gone...I was getting all tingley. Then TT next...that was an added bonus.

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January 09, 2018 at 09:41 pm

Glad to see you understood my point.

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Since '61's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:41 am

MM needs his version of Fritz Shurmur. He had that for 2-3 seasons with Capers but as we lost Jenkins, Collins and Woodson coupled with a never ending plague of injuries Caper's defense gradually disintegrated until it just collapsed like the Bluesmobile at the end of the movie.

In fairness Shurmur had better players and less injuries to deal with.

MM needs an experienced and effective DC who can take care of that side of the ball so that he can focus on AR and the offense which is what he prefers to do.

As for the internal guys, Whitt, Perry and Moss weren't they the guys coaching the players who were out of position, tackling poorly and looked like a 3 ring circus on the field. If they can't get their players to handle one position and communicate effectively with each other why would any of them make an effective DC?

Bring in a Pettine or Fangio or another experienced DC and let him start over. Just creating a consistent and effective pass rush with better overall tackling would probably get us 2 more wins per season. Add that to the 10 we get from A-Rod and we probably have a 1st round bye.

Add some speed(read play fast) and arrive with a nasty attitude to the LB core and and secondary and we can go deep into the playoffs.

For now, one step at a time, let's see who the new DC is.
Thanks, Since '61

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Qoojo's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:02 am

After the superbowl year, I think Capers implemented his full defense. 2011 was almost the same players, but they couldn't force a punt. They ranked worst in yards allowed. The only time they stopped an offense is when there was a turnover. The offense was so good that year that it masked the issue with packers still winning. The formula has been the same since 2011 with capers' D.

Shurmur had the best DLineman to ever play, and getting QB pressure makes things so much easier. That's why as a GM I take at least one shot a year on a pass rusher early in the draft. The Giants superbowl teams had a great DLine, and made up for a mediocre QB/offense.

Another thing, I thought the defense was better with Matthews playing inside. He is clearly better than Ryan. I hope they can get him back there in the upcoming year or find a replacement for ryan. They have a lot of middle round ammunition to take shots at filling these holes.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:20 am

Great summary '61.Hope that's the plan, because it makes sense. . Shurmur did have Reggie, and Capers, Woodson, but until an on field leader/coach emerges, the DC has to set the tone for that to happen. Day 1.

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ottscay's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:33 am

Capers fully implemented his defense right away. The problem in 2011 was we didn't resign Cullen Jenkins (so lost a lot of rush up the middle) and we lost Nick Collins to injury, which resulted in a lot of deep passes against us.

After that it took years to draft a quality safety, and by the time we stabilized the safety position our CBs were getting old or concussed. Aside from the injuries, a lot of this was us drafting at the back end of the draft year in and year out, and it was made worse by TT's total avoidance of free agency (I'm not a fan of first day FA signings, but we needed to add to our depth once players went down).

I'm fine with Capers being gone and excited about a new DC - after a period of poor results sometimes you need a reset to the culture/expectations of players and assistant coaches alike. But let's not pretend like there's something inherently wrong with Capers ability to coach a defense.

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Pack88's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:57 am

Style doesn't matter results do! Nobody likes Bellichek and he is a subdued one, screamers are entertaining but who knows whether it is effective! Someone mentioned Carroll, before RW he was a 500 coach and regularly outcoached so running around like a fricking idiot is just show time. I do agree a coach that can push the buttons of players is important - (look at hoody man or Parcells or Lombardi) or just think about the Super Bowl "With it is time- and Matthews goes and makes the play- no hooping no screaming but button pushing!
So I hope we get a DC that utilizes the talent to the max and nudges them along and gets results

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4thand1's picture

January 09, 2018 at 09:18 am

Really good players have great football instincts. They play a certain position most of their lives and react to plays. The Packers seem to have a knack for drafting guys, and try to teach them something new. You can't coach speed, in today's game you need speed.The NFL is so much faster than college and we have so many young guys still learning. I think they worry so much about making mistakes they don't just play and are confused. We don't need an Einstein at DC, just a guy that can simplify the game and get the best out of his players.

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Qoojo's picture

January 09, 2018 at 09:43 am

I disagree. You need someone that can get 11 guys organized and playing effectively together, and that can game plan against modern offenses and the pass happy rules. Also, you need someone that can get the most out of the players.

Saying you need someone with fire sounds great but that's mostly for show, and makes the fans think the players are more into it. The problem of playing with emotion or "fired up" is that an individual can't play that way the whole game. It's like someone telling you to be happy all the time. I am not saying playing "fired up" is bad, just that you don't want base quality or performance on it.

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:22 am

100% agree Qoojo. The further problem with playing with too much emotion is that it causes mental errors. A player who is too "fired up" loses concentration on what his responsibility is, ending up out of position.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:59 pm

That can be, but I think you need to know instinctively what to do in a given play or defense. Otherwise one overthinks and reacts slowly causing excessive caution exacerbating the problem and causing haste to make up for slow reactions. To me that was the hallmark of the Capers D in recent years. The more certainty and understanding, the more emotion can be positively channeled too because of conditioning to react in certain ways.

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Rebecca's picture

January 10, 2018 at 07:16 am

Ah, yes, football, the thinking man's sport. We wouldn't want guys beating the crap out of each other getting too fired up! A young fella might go home after a big loss, beat the girlfriend or doggo 'cause he's too fired up playing a game of fight club.

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jww061356's picture

January 09, 2018 at 09:58 am

I think Kevin Greene would be an exciting pick. Not to live in La La Land, but I can envision a world where we pick up a couple of FA, draft a little help, and get Greene as a DC, and we have a chance to be a top 12 or 15 defense(see: New Orleans) and actually be fun to watch on D for a change, instead of this sense of dread every time we take the field. I would be good with Carnell Lake as well.

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Rebecca's picture

January 10, 2018 at 07:16 am

Kevin Greene won't be back in Green Bay.

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 10:13 am

Slightly off topic: CHTV's columns over the past few days regarding the changes in the Packers organization have been fantastic. Regardless of whether one agrees with everything the writers posit, their columns have been thought provoking and well written.

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nostradanus's picture

January 09, 2018 at 12:39 pm

Keep it basic
Fly around
Hang tackle
Play fast and physical
Simple
Get er done ✅

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4thand10's picture

January 09, 2018 at 04:44 pm

Playing fast and downhill. Making the game less cerebral. That's a 4-3. Look at the teams that went 4-3 and then match their stats in defense rankings this year . . . Vikings, Carolina, Saints, Tampa etc....all good D's. Regardless, whomever we end up with I would prefer them to be outside the organization and like others have stated ..simplify this D. It's hard enough playing D with the proper amount of players let alone knowing their assignments. That's coaching, that's not "players making plays". A coach...position or DC determines when to send in personnel. I hope the new DC chooses his own assistants because the confusion, amount of players on the field et al was inexcusable. When Cam Newton can out cerebral your defense...its time to go.

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 09, 2018 at 05:15 pm

Your racial slur against Cam Newton is noted.

Tampa Bay ranked dead last in defense this season. New Orleans was 17th.

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Coldworld's picture

January 09, 2018 at 08:04 pm

Individual slur perhaps. Let’s not turn everything into a general -ism.

Fact is, almost any QB in the league, however poor of arm or intellect was able to rack up good ratings against us in recent years. We knew it. Sometimes we got lucky and turnovers or other poor play helped us, but mostly we relied on the O to out score them.

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Lphill's picture

January 09, 2018 at 07:39 pm

I like to see the DC on the sideline more involved and interacting with his guys, not up in a booth falling asleep.

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David Aures's picture

January 10, 2018 at 01:06 am

We need to transition to a 4-3 defense. Are slow little linebackers on these 320lb offensive tackles aint shit. Thats why were not getting any pressure. You got to have a lot of speed and power to run a 3-4 defense. Specialy of late the packers dont have the personal. So I would prefer a DC that runs a 4-3. I would like pettine the browns x-head coach.

Get rid of Jake Ryan and find somebody with speed that can cover like a deon jones(atlanta). Lowery, clark, daniels, and maybe draft a solid pass rusher for the last spot on the d line. Draft another corner to help out randall and king. True packer fan

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David Aures's picture

January 10, 2018 at 01:24 am

I guess im a moron two, I prefer coaches on the sidelines. True packer fan

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