Cory's Corner: Packers Must Make Tough Decision

Moving on from one of the best left tackles this franchise has ever seen won't be easy, but it's necessary in order to build around this young team. 

David Bakhtiari was a very good left tackle. In fact, he was one of the best left tackles in the game for a period of time. 

But the Packers have to swallow hard, look themselves in the mirror and create the 2024 roster without him. 

Start working the phones now for a potential trade partner. Obviously, many teams will be nervous about trading for a 32-year-old that has had chronic knee issues and has only played in 13 games in the last three seasons. 

Even if the Packers release the player that has worn a Packers G on his helmet for 11 seasons with two All-Pro selections, Green Bay will save $21.5 million. That’s money this team desperately needs if it wants to build around a young core. 

Now, there are probably plenty of you that think I’m nuts. “How can you possibly discard a future Packers Hall of Famer?” The answer is simple. You cannot make future decisions based on legacy. I would argue that the Packers held on to Aaron Rodgers one year too late — one year earlier, and they could’ve capitalized with a draft haul. 

This has been a long road for Bakh. He’s had four knee surgeries inside of three years. 

“When he played against Chicago Week One, he was playing at an elite level with not a lot of practice,” said Packers coach Matt LaFleur on the "Rich Eisen Show." “That just speaks to the kind of player that he is. He knows how to get his body and mind prepared mentally to go out there and compete at a high level.”

The obvious play would be for Bakhtiari to join former teammate Aaron Rodgers in the Big Apple. Judging that the Jets already brought Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb aboard, they might as well make Rodgers even more comfortable. 

The question is if the Jets are willing to trade a sixth rounder or wait the Packers out to see if they will actually release him?

This is a tough decision for general manager Brian Gutekunst. But it’s much easier given the fact that the Packers had a realistic shot of beating the NFC’s No. 1 seed in the playoffs this past season. Green Bay is close to becoming the class of the NFC again and one key free agent coupled with another solid draft just might be the ticket. 

Ignoring that could mean putting the Packers back a year or two. The window for winning in this league is very small. There isn’t time to worry about an aging star whose body has betrayed him. 

The Packers have to do what’s right for the franchise. 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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NickPerry's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:26 am

It's only a tough decision if you make it one. Bakhtiari has played in 13 games the last 3 seasons and just one game last year. If they can trade him for a late round pick great but if they can't it's no big deal. They NEED cap space, not more late round draft picks.

I know that sounds cold but the NFL is a chilly business. Lets put on our big boy pants and do what's right for the Green Bay Packers. What's right is moving on from David Bakhtiari. Thank you David for your years of awesome play, but the time has come to part ways. That time comes for EVERYONE...

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TKWorldWide's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:45 am

Agreed. It’s a business. Better early than late!

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DoubleJ's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:00 am

No matter what Bak is going to count ~$20M against the cap. By cutting him he could file a grievance and tie up basically his entire cap hit until that is rectified.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:29 am

No, he wouldn't tie up his entire cap hit. There are contract stipulations in place that would cost the Packers an additional $2.6 million maximum (in addition to the approximately $20 million dead cap hit).

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:35 am

He can only file a grievance if released before passing his physical. In other words, if he isn’t physically able to begin practicing. I did some digging on this.

Grievances usually only cover the league year if injury, but there are some arguments that one might extend longer into future years in certain circumstances. So it’s no guarantee that a grievance would fly if filed. To succeed, he’d have to prove that team mandated treatment was inappropriate or culpable a diagnosis errors, surgical failings or an inappropriate rehabilitation regime for his condition, for example.

If Bakh did file a grievance, 40% of the player's salary would immediately hit the cap. In Bakh’s case that's $8.6 million in 2024 so his dead money would jump to $27.665 million. If he loses that would be recredited. The remaining 60% would only hit if and when his claims were upheld. That could be a multi year process apparently and not a slam dunk for Bakh by any means.

Boil it down, he can’t file a grievance if he can pass a physical, so this only applies if he can not play. If he can’t play and we keep him we would hit our cap with an extra 10 million even over the amount we would have to accept if he files.

If cut before he clears the physical he would seem to qualify to get $1.23 million under the league injury protection scheme that will hit the 2024 cap. I don’t know if that’s accounted for in the oft quoted savings figures.

So cutting Bakh pre physical will save us, the grievance would just cut the cap savings this year to about 10 million. If he passes his physical, this is all moot. He can be cut for the full savings.

If he’s cut and subsequently passes a physical in the 2024 league year then the grievance is likely heavily or completely offset.

I would actually have little sympathy for Bakh if he filed and there’s no substantiated team negligence in his care. He’s received a vast amount of cash and not been able to play for most of it. While that’s not his fault, he has done extremely well financially out of the contract, not been exploited.

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dobber's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:45 am

I'm sure they've talked to Bakh and they know how this is going to play out.

At this point, I think Bakhtiari would like to be on the market, calling his own shots and giving himself a shot at another contract...he's going to have to show he can play, so that's going to need a prove-it year.

The Packers have already moved on in their roster construction.

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PeteK's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:09 am

Good work CW, he made 148 mill in his career so far and the Pack took care of him when he was injured. He will have a bothersome knee for the rest of his life, but the money should offset most of that pain.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:46 am

I would also say that this isn't catching the Packers unprepared.

Elgton Jenkins has played well at LT
Tom, briefly, played well at LT
Walker spent an entire year developing before he was put on the field, and after some bumpy stretches, it looks like he can play LT. We've been working with projects like Tenuta and Jones.

And of course, we have the draft, and although we usually like defenders in the first round, we have spent first round picks on offensive linemen, like Bulaga and Sherrod, and it could happen again.

If there's a starting caliber LT available at #25, you'd have to put him on the short list. Nothing against Walker or Tom, but injuries happen and I'd hate to see our season depend on whether or not Caleb Jones can play. And this spot has been largely unsettled since Bakhtairi got hurt in 2020. We've played Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Tom, Nijman, and Walker over the last 50 games. I don't want to say revolving door, but that's a lot of change at the most important position on the line.

Bakhtiari hasn't been part of the team, really, since his injury. He hasn't helped us win a single playoff game since 2019, but we've won some without him. He's costing $20M but it would be another $20M to keep him.

Unless Gutekunst can swing the Mother of All Trades, it's looking like signing Bakhtiari was a costly mistake, IMO. Everybody makes them, and you hope you learn. I just don't think you should offer really big contracts to guys as old as Bakhtiari was (he was 29), especially when they already have a history of injury issues, just like you don't trade a bunch for an year old QB who's not exactly an offseason conditioning freak. (Don't make me say Hadl or Rodgers).

The Packers have a rare opportunity, with 5 picks in the top 91, to finish assembling the offense we want around Love for the next couple of years. Does anybody see Bakhtiari in that group? Would anybody like to see a couple of stud blockers taken to help protect Love?

I know this sounds like a broken record, but if Love is kept protected, the group of receivers we have under contract for the next couple of years is going to be plenty productive. Here's our chance to get some protection for the next couple of years, too.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:02 am

The Packers have three tackles (Jones, Tenuta and Telfort) that we, as fans, know very little about. If the Packers draft a tackle high then we will know they have little confidence in those developmental prospects. If they don't draft a tackle until late or not at all, we will know the opposite - they like one or more of those guys to be the swing tackle. I think that issue is one of the more interesting questions of this off season.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:24 am

For whatever reason, the same story can't be told about safety. The Packers have never adequately replaced Nick Collins (I'd go so far to say that they never adequately replaced prime Atari Bigby). So, if as you say, there's a starting caliber safety at 25, the choice to me between starting tackle and safety at this point is safety. We know we have an NFL left tackle on the roster. We simply don't have an NFL safety, unless Gutekunst is planning on bringing back Micah Hyde, who is rumored to be a cap casualty in Buffalo.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:15 pm

A starting Tackle makes your QB better, which makes all your receivers better, and it makes your RBs better. I've heard people argue that LT is the second most important position on offense, and when you see 5 or 6 drafted in the first round, it seems like they might be right. 8 or 9 will be drafted before the first RB

I do have a question. We finished 10th in scoring defense with Savage (who is apparently no good and who missed 7 games), and journeymen Owens and Ford. We made the playoffs and crushed the league's best offense in the playoffs. If we can accomplish that, I'm not seeing why we need a first round safety. I could see a CB at #25, because it'd be nice to have some more people who can cover in case Alexander and Stokes are hurt.

Bitternotsour, you know I'm 100% in on putting the best possible offense around Love. Musgrave, Doubs, Watson, Reed, Kraft, Wicks.....these guys are all under contract for the next couple of years....our Super Bowl window. We should put better blockers on the team.

We have Walker, Jenkins, Myers, Rhyan, and Tom as putative starters. Our bench is Newman. Nobody else has ever played a snap in the NFL. Since we have the extra picks, I'm really hoping we use them to upgrade that line. Nothing will derail this team faster than not being able to protect Love.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:46 pm

One thing we probably can also agree on is our scouting for offensive linemen is stellar. Bakhtiari in the 4th round. Ultimately, I'm always willing to defer to the judgment of our scouting dept, and I never do "my own research" regarding the draft. I'm happy if I get to see an Oregon Duck or OSU Beaver drafted who I might actually know a bit about (I'm similarly predisposed to WSU and Washington), but ultimately I never cry over draft picks. If the boss says it's a tackle at 25, it's a tackle by god. I'm just saying that by letting Savage go (we let Savage go yesterday) the Safety room is empty. I'm sure there's a plan, I just am noting that the safety room is empty. Maybe Nixon is a safety. He damn sure will hit someone. He can run.

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dobber's picture

February 20, 2024 at 02:53 pm

"Maybe Nixon is a safety. He damn sure will hit someone. He can run."

Packers declined to resign Nixon ahead of his contract voiding...so they probably have no immediate plans to bring him back.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:10 pm

Three safeties from this draft would not surprise me. Maybe he goes free agent, but I would use that cash for a CB like Kendall Fuller. Nixon was exposed in the Playoffs as a CB. The top guys may be off the board by #25? If that is the case, I would snag Morgan for the LT spot and move Walker to the right flank where he was projected to play. If they go past Morgan the 49rs , or K.C. will snag him. I am not interested in drafting oversized RTs who end up being boat anchors.

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TKWorldWide's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:46 am

The point about his high level of play is moot 😉 if he can’t stay on the field.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:25 am

the pride i feel right now is immeasurable

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ricky's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:51 am

This is a business decision, and the NFL is big business. Bakhtiari is no longer a reliable player for the team. He WAS an excellent player, and until his freak injury during practice in 2020, he could be counted on to be a stalwart presence on the OL. Now, he can't stay healthy. And, no, I don't believe his trade or cutting him to gain much needed cap space would cause a huge reaction among fans. After all, as you pointed out, he has played only thirteen games the last three years. And in two of those years, he was only available for one game each season. Time to move on, with all due honors to a once great player.

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TKWorldWide's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:02 am

As to fan reaction: there will definitely be SOME backlash, but I think that is more of a knee jerk than a highly thought out reaction.
Remember, if the fans had their way, very few players or coaches would make it through a season without getting cut or fired.

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mrtundra's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:44 am

...and one of those players that would have been cut was Jordan Love.

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crayzpackfan's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:52 am

As a fan, I would be more agitated if they actually kept him than if they let him go at this point. His not being available has far surpassed being a trend and has entered becoming an absolute. Great guy. Was a great player. His name, number and contract have nothing in common with where this teams future is heading and where it needs to continue going. The answer here is about as easy as it gets for me.

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stockholder's picture

February 20, 2024 at 06:59 am

He's done. We all know it.

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dobber's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:27 am

Not a tough decision.
Just a formality.
Cory back in his well-behind-the-times wheelhouse.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:04 am

Pretty much my reaction Dobber. This is a tough decision only in the sense that it will be emotionally hard to see such a stalwart Packer leave. However his $40 million price tag for the upcoming season would be untenable even if he were healthy and is impossible given the knee problems and his inability to stay on the field. I wish Bakh well and hope that he retires for his sake. I would hate to see him further damage a knee that will likely already haunt him as he ages.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:47 am

Even if it's not a tough decision, can the Packers still "swallow hard" and "look themselves in the mirror"? Or, at least, look themselves in the mirror and then swallow hard? I want some mirror-looking and some sort of swallowing involved in this decision, maybe even some brow-rubbing, throat-clearing, and awkward weight-shifting from foot-to-foot. Is that too much to ask?

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:59 am

perhaps even some reflux, or panic attack of some sort or another. business decisions are hard for those not in business, but rather are in the business of commenting on business.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:39 am

Dry heaves?

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:29 am

Do they have a "Fun House" over by the Sledding Hill??

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:41 am

Now you're talking! I hadn't considered full-length mirrors or the illusion of distortion. Kudos for thinking outside the box, jb.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:48 pm

Be a lot cooler if the fun house was on the sledding hill.

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TKWorldWide's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:14 pm

I’ll never see myself in the mirror with my eyes closed.

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T7Steve's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:53 am

"I would argue that the Packers held on to Aaron Rodgers one year too late — one year earlier, and they could’ve capitalized with a draft haul."

That may be true in hindsight Cory, but was Love ready to start behind a bad O-line which helped bang up Rodgers? Didn't he benefit greatly, sitting and learning behind the MVP one more season? Didn't it help his maturity by getting some live game reps throughout the season while teams were actually prepping for Rodgers (thinking Eagle game)?

I think the Packers actually did the right thing for Love's development.

I agree with you that they did the wrong thing cap-wise with Rodgers and it's time for DB too, unless there's a possibility of drastic changes to his cap hit that doesn't send more down the road. A 1-year test trial to help make the O-line great again. Otherwise, we have to go with the youngsters.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:21 am

I've seen a number of posters assume that Love wasn't ready to start in 2022. How do we know that? I'm not saying he was ready, but even if he had been, we wouldn't know because Rodgers was still in place and the presumptive starter.

Love may have been more ready than we know in 2022. Yes it would have been bumpy just like the first half of 2023 was due to his inexperience, but I wouldn't just dismiss the idea that Love could have started in 2022.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:32 am

I think he could have been nearly as, perhaps even more effective than Rodgers was leading the O in 2022.

And all that Denver Gold would have solidified the roster in helpful ways and alleviated much of the damaging cap can kicking.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:53 am

Rodgers played a number of games with an injured thumb (and performed poorly) and yet we never saw Love get an opportunity to play. Was that because Love wasn't ready or because Rodgers refused to go the bench, maybe knowing he might not get his starting job back because Love was ready? I suspect it was more the former than the latter, but we will never know.

Not being saddled with Rodgers last contract as well as having all of those Denver draft choices sure would have been a dream scenario.

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Untylu1968's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:39 am

What's the worst that could've happened if Love started all year, not making the playoffs? Oh, wait!
I like to think that just maybe we're in this year's Superbowl had it been Loves second season as our starting QB..?

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:46 am

We would have had 40 million in extra cap in 2023 too.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:04 am

Learning behind Rodgers. How many years does that take. Rodgers was the same in year one with Love as he was in year three, and arguably not trading Rodgers to Denver cost Love a season of development, and the team a locker full of draft picks. So let's give the "learning behind Rodgers" a rest. Love had some Rodgers tapes he could watch if he wanted, and the coaches were still there to coach. Not trading Rodgers when we had that deal on the table was a mistake.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:11 am

Playing is what it takes. Always is.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:23 am

Next year is a learning year, with the opportunity to actually win. Which is why Bakh is done in GB. I appreciate his having sacrificed his knee for my entertainment. I understand that he was well-compensated for being the best left tackle on the planet, but that doesn't change the fact that he left his knee on the field.

I like my knees. I enjoy walking my dog, playing golf, getting up and down from a chair. Bakh isn't going to have that that same relationship with his body. Thanks David for the great memories.

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T7Steve's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:34 am

I think he may have been ready. We don't know. The team thought they did know.

I know that this season started out with a good O-line and Love went out and owned the Bears. DB got hurt and it took a while to compensate for that. I don't think it would have gone well in 22 with the Hansen experiment, and I'm glad Love didn't have to get hurt.

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mrtundra's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:57 am

OL and specifically OT comes back into focus for the Draft and FA now that they haven't renewed Nijman's contract. With Bakhtiari most likely done in GB, they need to find another OT in the Draft, FA or from the PS. Will Caleb Jones step up? Is Kadeem Telfort still on the PS? Isaac Moore? Do we go after an OT early in the draft or do we use those early round picks to get players for our CB and S rooms? Remember, they also did not renew Savage's and Nixon's contracts, either. That does not mean that they won't be back, but it could mean exactly that. That is two DBs, specifically Safeties, gone, if they aren't resigned. And who knows what Rudy Ford's status is? I see DBs taken with GB's first 2 picks, this draft and OL, RB, LB, and DL after that, in no particular order. GO PACK, GO!!!

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PeteK's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:22 am

Good draft order. Your aforementioned Ts might be decent backups, but T & G draftees would solidify our OL.

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WD's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:55 pm

Caleb Jones reminds me of Bo Melton. Both showed tremendous potential but never seemed to get the opportunity to show it,. Bo finally got his chance and showed it in flying colors. Caleb dominated in a pre season game and then seemed to vanish into anonymity. I view our O-line from the perspective of the Dallas game towards the end of the season. Very solid across the board. If I were King I would 1) sign a free agent Safety (2nd tier due to economic factors) then 2) use our first five high draft choices in Rounds 1, 2 and 3 to address ILB, CB. DT. 3) In the two third round pics address O-line and RB. 4) address edge if Smith doesn't sign in the forth RD. 5) draft the kicker round five from Alabama who hit 88% of field goals and made 5/5 from over 50yds. If only I were King! lol

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DoubleJ's picture

February 20, 2024 at 07:59 am

Andy Herman talked about this like 2 weeks ago. He did have an interesting compromise that would keep Bak on the team. You work out a deal with Bak that he would get like $1M/game roster bonus and his salary is vet minimum ($2M or there about). If he plays all 17 games he doesn't lose any money compared to what his salary is right now. If he only plays 3 games he would make $5M for the season. You end up keeping Bak AND say he is healthy the entire season and is playing at a high level you are then able to either resign him again OR let him walk and get a good comp pick in 2026.

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:10 am

Herman's compromise assumes the Packers could afford to have Bahk play a healthy season under that contract. They can't. Please see TGR's excellent article on the Packer cap situation from a couple of weeks ago. They have to cut Bakh and one other player (Campbell post June 1 mostly likely) just to get under the cap for next season.

PS: There was an article in the local paper this morning that indicated the 2024 cap may be up as much as $7.5 million more than originally expected ($250 million versus $242.5 million). This might eliminate the need to cut Campbell although doing so would leave the Packers with little room to sign any free agents. Cutting Campbell plus the additional up to $7.5 million might give the Packers enough room to sign a higher profile veteran safety in free agency.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:28 am

I don't see Bakht making that deal. I am certain he and his agent believe they could get a better offer as a FA.

I was in favor of keeping Bakht around hoping he could help Love and the young O transition last season. It was a fool's hope.

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dobber's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:51 am

I think Bakh will have to show he can play before anyone will give him very much in guarantees, and that's where players really make out. He's in a spot where he can't command much on the open market unless he can show he's healthy (pass a physical, demonstrate strength and fitness) and then proves he can stay on the field. He'll either need to take a "prove-it" one-year deal, or a low-guarantees, bonus-driven 2-3 year contract that a team can get out of pretty easily with little cap impact.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:06 am

If Bakh passes a physical no one will pay him his current contract. He’d have to agree to reduce and rework it as a precondition of any trade. Bakh has refused consistently to add void years to spread the cap hit this year. That’s his choice.

Had he done so, we would be on the hook for longer while the new team would get him relatively cheaply , so I’m not complaining in that sense, because I want our cap burden free in 2025 and beyond, but Bakh has made himself untradeable, probably originally hoping to force a new multi year deal or release by this year.

He’s probably going to pay for that when he’s released. Even if he can get another contract elsewhere it’s going to be less and heavily incentivized not guaranteed. That’s the risk inherent in holding out to force such things contractually. He’s already set up for life from what he’s received under his current contract alone, so the pain is relative. The team, on the other hand needs to cap its losses and invest the cap savings in the future.

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jont's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:41 am

You've made a good point here, DoubleJ.

This business decision goes both ways: Bak has to make decisions too.

I don't know anything about the numbers you report-- looks plausible enough to me-- but I do know that it's common for vets to re-work contracts in their later years to get another year with the team, do their part to relieve cap trouble, and all that.

If Bak meets them half way, then that will change the thinking perhaps.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:08 am

So, what you are saying T7, GB should flush some more dollars down the toilet and resign David so he can get hurt again after 2 games. Thats just wrong and you know it. Just like the fans who wanted to hang on to Rodgers, emotion should not enter into this decision.

Bahk's body is just wearing out, it's a fact of life in pro sports. The fact that we still talk about him still possibly being worth some draft capitol, is a testament to how good he was in his prime. 2 years ago, maybe as much as a 2nd rounder. I would not be surprised if we get an offer from multiple teams. Either way it's time to go.

We have a player with great potential in GB that showed a great deal of promise last year in Walker. And he cost us almost nothing. Let's not ruin the gift we got with a 7th round pick. Plus let's not screw up his head by jerking him around for what we already know the end game is with Bahk. It' business, not personal.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:51 am

Let Bakh go. Give Walker the chance to prove he’s a true starter and draft another OT. Try to settle the position not just for this year but 2025 and beyond. That isn’t going to be Bakh.

Transition now while the roster is ascending and that means playing players to improve now not sitting. If Walker regresses then the sooner we find that out the better and the sooner we identify his replacement and give that player time to get up to speed. If he doesn’t then the more he plays the better he will be.

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dobber's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:59 am

"Let Bakh go. Give Walker the chance to prove he’s a true starter and draft another OT"

Sums it up nicely. Walker and Tom both have two cost-controlled years left. Are you going to pay them both? Tom looks like the real deal...we'll see with Walker. Not only does drafting a T give you some important depth in the short term, it gives you some flexibility in roster construction and cap management down the road at two of the most important positions on the field.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:11 am

You have to have a transition plan at every position, which Gutekunst clearly understands (he literally staked his career drafting Love to replace Rodgers).

The Packers will do what they always do, they'll have a plan, and they'll follow the plan. They do it with the draft, they do it with contracts, and they do it with free agency.

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Coldworld's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:18 am

If Walker is the real deal and we find a genuine third, that’s also huge trade capital. Good LTs are in demand almost as much as QBs. If a team can develop a pipeline it gives huge leverage.

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barutanseijin's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:10 am

The NFL is a business first and foremost, yes, but the business is making money, not necessarily putting the best team on the field. (And making money is about national TV exposure, which drives everything else.).

For example, keeping Rodgers around late in his career was a business decision, and probably not a football decision. Keeping Rodgers meant devoting too much cap space to a guy who wasn’t going to get them to a super bowl without a better supporting cast — which was difficult to impossible to build with the amount of cap Rodgers sucked up. Nevertheless, the guy was a TV draw . Just look at the number of prime time games the Jets were scheduled for last season.

Bakhtiari is a left tackle and as good as he is, Packer management is less likely to think that he alone will put them in prime time games. But who knows how Murphy & Gutekunst see the “business angle” , or what Bakhtiari is willing to do to keep playing.

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GregC's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:07 am

It's easy to say now that Rodgers wasn't going to get them to a Super Bowl, because he didn't. But they were the #1 seed in the NFC two years in a row and narrowly lost in the NFC championship game that one year.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:40 am

It was exciting to see Bakht start the Chicago game and play well. Sadly, I think I saw the play where he got hurt late in the game.

He make a block leading through the hole on a run play and he got tripped or pushed and did a belly flop on the field. He started to get up and dropped back to the turf, head down. I told my wife at the time "oh no...I think Bakhtiari just got hurt. And that was it for 2023.

David was a premier NFL LT. Now he is a premier NFL financial risk.

Good luck and thanks, Dave.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 20, 2024 at 08:55 am

I don't know what the options are money wise. If they cut him before June vs after, or if they trade him. I don't know what the salary ramifications are.

If they found a way to keep him I would be happy. If they let him go, I will understand why.

If they were to keep him (at a lower price) , one reason why I would be fine with it is because they have Walker. Walker would then become our swing OT. But also if something happened to Bakhtiari again they would have Walker right there to put in.

It wiill be interesting to see how they handle the position this offseason.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:56 am

4 dislikes. I see one other poster has 4 dislikes also. DoubleJ I don't think they like us bringing up the thought that Bakhtiari could be back.

I have no clue if he will be back. I have always liked him and when he is healthy he is one of if not the best. That kind of talent improves your team. But I can see them saying good bye.

I am assuming he will not be back. But I do see there being a way that he comes back.

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NFLfan's picture

February 20, 2024 at 09:52 am

He has become a distraction. I'm always surprised that players who have been well-compensated but are no longer viable don't see themselves to the door.
And, with all of those knee injuries, why doesn't he realize it's over? He has a young daughter who would likely benefit from a healthy dad.

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MooPack's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:01 am

Interesting comments from Gute on Tackle position, Tom, and draft. If you read between lines a bit.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/20/packers-positions-of-need-13...

“I think we’ll get to that,” said Brian Gutekunst when asked about Tom staying at right tackle, “but I think we’re gonna try to get the five best guys we can out there at all times and again, I think it’ll be our job to bring in some guys and have healthy competition in there.

“He played really well at right tackle this year, you know what I mean, and so to move him around I think, on the coaching staff, will be hard, but at the same time he’s probably a guy that can play all five spots and I think he could be really good at all five of ’em, so it’ll be just dependent on what we have and where we need him.”

I still think Gute drafted Tom with the idea he'd be Center, but Packers coaches didn't have much choice in filling RT with no one else stepping up. So will he draft an OT with the idea they could still move him inside? Sure sounds like it, depending on who they get. Bigger question is coaches decision making on best line combo.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:53 am

If they moved on from Bakhtiari, would they consider moving Tom to LT and Walker to RT? Or do they keep them where they are?

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Guam's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:08 am

Didn't Walker play RT at Penn State?

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:34 am

I thought he was left, but could be wrong.

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MooPack's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:28 am

My best answer is it depends on the draft and if that player(s) is/are start ready. OL is a position that has and can start very quickly. I think they will draft at least two. But where? Right now, I'm going with 1st round options.

If they go LT, such as Jordan Morgan, they could leave Tom at RT and Walker becomes swing. Or they could move Tom to Center and move Walker to RT. They could do either. I thought Walker was more RT when coming out anyway.

If they go RT, such as Kinglsey Suamataia (King Sua for short), then they could move Tom to Center. Or they could move Tom to LT and Walker becomes swing, but then Myers stays C.

imo, any move of Tom to Center is best. Right now my best option is to draft King Sua for RT and move Tom to Center. One pick upgrades two positions. King Sua has moved up to the position Jordan Morgan was in at the bottom of the 1st and Morgan has dropped to #50. I thought more of Sua than Morgan before and now they have sorta flip flopped in ratings. Per Huddle Report, who I respect more than others. Not that I don't like Morgan, but seems a bit more developmental.

There are many more options to consider. Such as what if Troy Fautanu drops? I like him even more, but he is more G than T in the NFL. He has played both. Then you most likely upgrade RG and everyone else stays. He's more LG, but Jenkins should stay there for now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:41 am

I think they will draft at least 1 interior and 1 outside OL.

I know Tom can play all 5 spots. I just view OT as a premier spot and he is great out there. i think he needs to be one of the 2 OT's. To me he is too valuable outside. They can always look to the draft for interior help.

I think they will let Runyan go. But they do have Rhyan there to take over. Myers has improved. And Jenkins is the LT. But they could draft a guy to compete with Myers and/or Rhyan. They could draft a guy to compete with Walker.

Overall i like our OL, but we definitely need to add to it.

But one thing I have wondered about is if they would consider moving Tom to LT after Bakhtiari would leave.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 01:51 pm

Why move Walker at all after he dominated @ LT the second half of the season? By the way he was a RT @ Penn State. I saw him projected to go as high as the 4th round on some draft services. What a steal late in the 7th.

Its a tough call with Toms. He looked great @ RT when healthy and it really cost GB when he got hurt against SF. Bosa had his way with Njiman. Its probably good we didn't re sign Josh. Maybe a comp pick.

Maybe Tenuta should get a chance. He was a 6th round pick for the Bills. He was good @ Virg Tech. I probably would stay away from 6'8 tackles. It's too easy for D-line to get lower than them. Thats why Caleb Johnson is a waste of resources.

You fans who think O-line is the biggest need will like my latest mock. My first 2 picks were Powers-Johnson @ #25, and King Sumataia @ #42 after a tradeback for a 5th rounder.

58 Kam Kinchens
88 Max Melton
95 Audric Estime after tradeback for 4th rounder
127 Cam Hart 2nd Top 10 CB
138 Dillon Johnson pick was from tradeback @ 91
156 Sione Vaki pick from tradeback @ 41

later picks were James Williams-LB, Malik Mustapha-Slot, Dallin Holker-TE/HB, Braiden McGregor-Edge, and my 3rd RB Isaac Guerendo

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Leatherhead's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:27 pm

Here's my problem with the "Tom was drafted to play Center" theory.

In 2021, we drafted Josh Myers, who immediately started at Center and played every snap until he got hurt. When he came back from the injury, he started all the games in 2022 and 2023.

Tom was drafted the next year, on Day 3. He didn't start anywhere immediately, he was moved around to several spots....but not Center...in 2022 and then found a home at RT in 2023.

This means that the year after we drafted Myers, we drafted his replacement in the 4th round? And then we haven't played him there at all? That doesn't make me believe this was The Plan at 1265.

Myers is in his contract year, and if the coaches think he's half as bad as some of the poster here, he won't be back. IMO,the Packers are going to try to keep Tom where he is, and draft a replacement for Myers and a Tackle early on.

I'm getting on the Graham Barton bandwagon. He is versatile, which was also the hallmark of Jenkins and Tom. We don't know for sure who is going to get hurt, so having a guy we could put at different spots makes sense. He's usually available around #30. Smart, versatile....he'd be another plus player on that line.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 01:54 pm

Toms was drafted for his versatility, not to be a C. He has exceeded expectations, but GB is good a finding mid rould O-line talent. Just like we will this year.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:08 am

It has been stated on most Packers sites that trading or cutting Bahk will save in excess of $20 million. It would be gravy to get anything in return for a trade but he is gone either way. Let some other team take the low percentage chance that Bahk's knee holds up for more than a couple games. Time to go.

The Packers were coming off back to back 13 win seasons when they made the ill fated decision to go all in and resign Rodgers. This will be debated for 20 years. I am on the side of we should have let him go while his value was sky high. That kings ransom was easily too much to pass up. I have read on here that Love probably wasn't ready. You don't know that unless you play him. Just like we didn't know this year.

And in case it has been forgotten, the trade didn't just include a boatload of picks. 3 good players were also in that deal. One was a 2nd round pick QB who would have been great competition for Love, Drew Lock-Missouri. I still have nightmares from him throwing for 500 yards against my Iowa Hawkeyes in a bowl game. He has talent.

This is what we would have got, WOW!!
QB Drew Lock-was the Broncos 2nd round pick
DT Shelby Harris-would have started for GB
TE Noah Fant-was the Broncos 1st round pick and we were TE needy
2022 first-round pick
2022 second-round pick
2022 fifth-round pick
2023 first-round pick
2023 second-round pick

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MooPack's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:18 am

That was a filthy trade. I haven't seen a trade that lopsided since Comboy's traded Herschel Walker to the Queens for a viKing's ransom.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 04:54 pm

Almost as big as when Mike Ditka traded away all the Saints 1999 picks and 2 from 2000 for to be able to select Ricky Williams-RB Texas.

Look that one up if you are not familiar.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:31 am

arguably Russell Wilson is as big of a jackass as Aaron, and he's also arguably washed. John Schneider should have won executive of the year for that move alone. He also got Geno Smith for essentially nothing, paid him next to nothing, and still damn near made the playoffs.

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GregC's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:39 am

I've never seen that list of what the Packers would have gotten in that trade. Is it from a good source?

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 09:52 am

ESPN

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Leatherhead's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:36 pm

That's a haul. But.

1) Drew Lock wouldn't be playing for us. We have our QB.
2) Shelby Harris was released by Seattle after one year and played for the Browns last year. I'd rather have Clark, Wyatt, Slaton and Brooks taking up our DT snaps.
3) Fant is a good player, but I'm fine with Musgrave and Kraft.

The first and second round picks in 2022 and 2023.....only one of those 4 has had much of an impact so far. And there's no way of knowing if we'd have taken the same guy, a better guy, or a worse guy.

I'm just saying.....what would we have actually gained above and beyond what we got for trading him the next year for two high second round picks? The way I look at it, resigning Rodgers was the price we paid for those.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:38 pm

Seattle asked for Drew Lock, it wasn't a prerequisite for the deal he was just a piece. They had other pieces and capital.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 09:58 am

Don't try to put the Kings Ransom down Leather.
Drew Locke was a better college QB than Love. Competiton=Best
Shelby Harris was still a good veteran D-lineman-not an All-Pro
Fant was a talented TE of which we had none. I love Musgrave & Kraft too.

As far as the picks, we wouldn't have taken the same players they took, or probably not some of the players we took. I did a redraft below to give a view of what could have been.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 20, 2024 at 10:26 am

The handwriting is clearly on the wall. He is on the wrong side of 30 and that injury has essentially ruined the remaining years as a pro bowl tackle. 21 Million bucks is what is paid to top flight performers who show up every week and make a difference. The decision should be an easy one for the Packers. David Bakhtiari was one of the better left tackles in the NFL for a goodly number of years, but the injuries, unreliability, and father time are have an undefeated record.

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canadapacker's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:05 am

As TT used to say - it is better to trade or not resign a player 1 year too soon than 1 year too late. While at his position Bak deserved his contract but as is the NFL bad things do happen to good players. Time to fish or cut bait as they say. However looking back at TT - and thankfully Gute is allowed somewhat to spend more - TT made some bad decisions on key players - Micha Hyde being one - a stalwart on defense for Buffalo - one of the Packs positions of need over the past 10 years. But in the name of both salary cap and this new team clubhouse - it is time to move on - if we get a pick for him - or a compensory pick ( will we get one if he is cut??) - It is time to move on. Currently while we have some issues with the Oline - they are not glaring issues that the current players cannot overcome ( by this I mean we should focus our early round picks on other parts of the roster). But time to let Bak go and time to get as much cap space as we can. As far as whether of not we should have resigned AR - that is hindsight 20-20 - my only issue is that Gute and others should have taken a slightly harder line during contract negotiations even if that meant that he would have been pissed off or demanded a trade. But remember he was MVP 2 years during that contract.

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GregC's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:33 am

I think the Micah Hyde mistake was more on the coaching staff than on TT. He was not playing his best position in Green Bay.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

February 20, 2024 at 11:44 am

That was also my question, would we get a compensatory pick assuming Bahk was cut and signed elsewhere? And at what point does the compensatory pick become better than what the team would get in a trade? I’m also wondering if he could be renegotiated to a lower cap hit and then traded or cut even if that means spreading the hit out another year? Do a solid for both parties…. Sorry if my ignorance shows in these questions.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:53 pm

Compensatory picks are for players you lose in FA only.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:02 pm

Thanks LL.

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CoachJV's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:41 pm

I don't understand why... for the love of God... WHY.... people insist that this is a tough decision??? Can someone explain to me a reason - aside from sentiment - that it would be a good idea to have him on the roster?

Bak has not been a factor - AT ALL - in 3 years. You know what that makes him? A has-been.
Sure he was one of the best LT's to ever play the position... WAS. Now he's a 40M dollar drain that can't make it 1/17 of the way through a season. That's who he is NOW... Let it go y'all, we've been fine without him for THREE YEARS!

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Packers0808's picture

February 20, 2024 at 12:44 pm

Sure seems to be a lot of Doctors and trainers on this. How do any of us know exactly well how healed or the process of healing has been for Bakh and he can't continue to play to the high level we are used too? May be just too early to pit him on the scrap pile! For me I hope he has healed great and will be our LT come new season!

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 09:49 am

Realists would be a better description. GB or any team cannot keep wasting $20 million per year on players that can't play. We have done that 3 years in a row with David. It is well past time for Bahk to ride off into the sunset. Don't feel bad for him. He is rich beyond his wildest dreams and can mend himself enough to have a great life with his family.

Keeping Bahk with his contract as it is today costs GB $40 MILLION on the 2024 cap!

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WD's picture

February 20, 2024 at 01:06 pm

I think you suspend judgment on Bakh until at least the first day of preseason workouts. If he lines up with the first team that is a great sign. He has earned that right. if you don't like what you see you can always cut him. I suspect he could fool a lot of people. He could come back stronger and better than ever for the upcoming season. If he makes the starting rotation you keep him ..DUH

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 01:59 pm

If we keep him he counts $40 million against the cap.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 20, 2024 at 02:14 pm

I did a 2022 redraft assuming we traded Rodgers to Denver. Here we go.

#9 from Denver-Take your pick of Garrett Wison or Chris Olave- either solved WR #1 debate

#22 Quay Walker-LB - I stayed with Quay as we needed a LB and class was weak

#28 George Karlaftis-DE- he was mocked to us all pre-draft and I got my DT later- the DT better than Wyatt

#40 Boye Mafe-DE from Denver- this guy was mocked to us alot also

#53 Tre McBride-TE - since no trade for Watkins-I pick best TE. Add in Noah Fant and we suddenly have a real TE room.

#59 Travis Jones-DT- see #9 pick above so no trade for Watkins- this is the DT we should have picked

#92 Sean Rhyan-OG/OT- he was highly rated and I think he is a late bloomer

#132 Romeo Daubs-WR-what a steal this guy was-no brainer

#140 Zach Toms-OL - proof that Green Bays rules in finding mid round O-line jewels

#153 Damone Clark-LB-To rebuild a weak LB group

#179 JKingsly Enigbare-Edge was a good pick

#228 Bo Melton-Slot- we end up with Bo anyway

#249 Rasheed Walker-OT- could be the steal of the draft-stay tuned

#258 Brock Purdy-QB-what the hell- he has turned out kind of good

Next years 2 picks I chose
2023 #5 from Denver Bijan Robinson-Best RB in 10 tears. Nuff Said-RB rebuilt

#37 from Denver- Brian Branch-S the Safety we needed in 2022

Took a long time but was fun

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Alberta_Packer's picture

February 20, 2024 at 02:18 pm

It's not like his career (11 seasons) has been prematurely short. Or, his career earnings (126M+) will require him to get another job at the age of 32. Yes, emotionally "sad." Farewells often are. However, practically - not a tough decision at all.

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Packers0808's picture

February 20, 2024 at 02:42 pm

Unless he can come back at high level. Just read another column Packers are parting ways with Njiman. What does say if anything on BAKH status?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

February 20, 2024 at 04:46 pm

Bahk just had re-construction surgery and on a knee that had been previously re-constructed. There is no longer a high level for him. He has been physically compromised - permanently. It would be best for him to walk away from the game - while he literally can.

As for Nijman - his performance rarely touched his potential. His 4.3 M salary last year was a lottery win.

Reasons why the Packers will select an OT on Day 1 of the draft.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 04:58 pm

4 surgeries on that knee now.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 20, 2024 at 05:47 pm

Nijman was a waste of Money.

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SinceLombardi's picture

February 20, 2024 at 03:21 pm

It’s not a tough decision for a successful business.

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gsd3's picture

February 20, 2024 at 03:58 pm

They should release him rather than attempt to trade him. What team would want him at that salary? Besides, he doesn't like turf and the turf at Met Life is the worst in the nfl.
Release him and let him go where he chooses. He's earned that much.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 21, 2024 at 05:06 pm

Either the packers saw something in Njiman or they were trying to fool some team into signing him and giving us their 2nd round pick after we tendered him. 2 years ago, he replaced Bahk and looked ok. I think his fate was sealed when he couldn't beat out Walker during the season. It was cemented when Bosa treated him like his bitch @ SF.

Some needy team will still give him at least $5 million to be a backup swing tackle. Tenuta would have done better against Bosa. We should play him a lot in preseason to see what we have or don't have.

Walter Rouse-Oklahoma/Stanford might be a decent late round swing of the bat @ OT.

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