Cory's Corner: Of All Teams — The Jets?
The Jets and Packers are inching closer to another deal for a veteran quarterback. Will Aaron Rodgers agree to it?
First, Brett Favre was sent to the Jets on Aug. 7, 2008 for a conditional draft pick that turned into a third round pick, No. 83 overall because he played 50 percent of the offensive snaps. If he played 70 percent and got to the playoffs, the Packers got a second rounder. The Packers got a first rounder if Favre played 80 percent of the snaps and the Jets made the Super Bowl. Favre led the league with 22 interceptions in 2008 and was 21st in passer rating. The Jets were 25th in the league in scoring in 2007 and with Favre, that number rose to No. 9 — with Jerricho Cotchery as the No. 1 wide receiver. Still, the Jets missed the playoffs with a 9-7 record.
Fast forward to today and the Jets and Packers are ready to make a deal again. However, the Packers will most likely get more back in a trade for the 39-year-old Aaron Rodgers than Favre, who turned 39 in October of that season. The Seahawks got two first rounders, two second rounders, a fifth rounder and Drew Lock, Noah Fant and Shelby Harris for Russell Wilson and a fourth rounder. The Packers should be able to get more for Rodgers.
NFL Network reported on Thursday that the Jets and Packers have agreed to compensation for a deal. Yet, the biggest stumbling block is Rodgers. The Jets aren’t going to want a quarterback that doesn’t want to go to New York.
But at the same time, why would Rodgers want to go there? The Jets allowed 160 quarterback pressures last year. And we all saw this past season that Rodgers is no longer light on his feet.
Another reason Rodgers would say no is the media crush. Rodgers has all of the local Wisconsin media puppets on a string. They have limited access to him and rarely write or say anything critical of him for fear that it will have an effect on their access. Rodgers will not be able to use “The Pat McAfee Show” as his main mouthpiece because the New York scribes will bark back about that.
Not to mention, Rodgers could make things a lot easier by restructuring his contract. He is due a $58.3 million balloon payment before the start of the 2023 season. Think about cutting a check for your mortgage or rent, but keep multiplying by 500.
What is the one thing that Rodgers likes more than anything? Control. He likes to have a voice with impending free agents, he likes to tell the team when he’s coming in.
The perfect situation for Rodgers isn't to accept a trade, but opt to retire instead. Then in mid or late August, opt to come back and force a trade to wherever he wants.
“Change is a part of this business, it’s a part of life, and I think being open to it and embracing whatever that change looks like is an important part of coming to peace with whatever decision lies ahead of you,” said Rodgers on “The Pat McAfee Show” in January.
He’s right. Being flexible is a great axiom to live by. Be fluid and ready to change at a moment’s notice.
If Rodgers plays for the Jets, he’s going to be unrecognizable in highlights. He will turn into the Joe Montana of the Chiefs. Granted, Montana did lead Kansas City to an AFC title game, but seeing him in that uniform was like putting Nutella on a steak.
The Favre trade had to happen because things had gotten too toxic and now that the Packers are in a perpetual holding pattern each offseason, it seems like the only landing spot is the J-E-T-S — Jets, Jets Jets!
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (163)
HarryHodag
March 11, 2023 at 06:24 am
All valid points but I disagree with the notion that the New York media would make a difference in his decision. The guy is already a media darling. When he does anything there's someone there to cover it. But when you're likely to pull in $50 million plus a year, who gives a hoot? Bad media coverage can severely affect the mind of a 22 year old but a soon to be 40 year old who already is partial owner of an NBA franchise and has hosted "Jeopardy"? Less likely.
New York would be the next big stage for a guy who loves the urban big stage.
Another point: the Jets are far from a team that is rebuilding. This is a team that will likely make the playoffs with Rodgers. Lest we forget, the Jets dropped the Packers at Lambeau 27-10 last fall.
PatrickGB
March 11, 2023 at 07:59 am
Agree. Most of the flack he gets is from national media and not from Packers local media. The media universe is large and local sports media are only a small part of that. I think that Rodgers is somewhat inured by coverage at this stage of his life.
wildbill
March 11, 2023 at 09:51 am
Hate to see Rodgers go to the Jets but if he goes he will have those NY, so called, journalists crying and sucking their thumbs in their safe place after he is finished with them. Wait, they already do that so never mind…..
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 06:29 am
I agree Rodgers should carry higher value, Cory, but if we get more for Aaron Rodgers than SEA got for Russell Wilson, I’ll be shocked. Not now.
We missed that boat with that deal last year.
Nonetheless, I believe GB should realize a decent return. The rumored package deal with David Bakhtiari included yielding even more.
The compensation GB receives in picks/players will be interesting to see when it’s all said and done. Should be helpful in rebuilding this team a bit more completely than we’re used to of late.
Trimming GB’s top two cap hits will be significant.
The Packers being cap solvent again is the big prize in this trade. Being a player in FA to land top talents could make for a quick turnaround into legit contenders again.
BruceC1960
March 11, 2023 at 07:42 am
Why do you think we will get a decent return? Doesn’t appear the Jets are bidding against anyone. Is there a chance the Titans, Raiders or Tampa are still sniffing around?
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 08:38 am
If reports are to be believed, it’s certainly not in the range that Seattle got and that I believe we could have been looking at last year.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 09:23 am
Right. Our best return would have been realized possibly last year, or after his 2021 Draft Day 1 Special.
Rodgers clowns our team endlessly to the national media, and Mr. Idiot gives him the world…
That kind of stuff should never have been allowed. Had Lombardi been here to handle this, Aaron Rodgers’ ass would have been traded outta GB immediately.
murf7777
March 11, 2023 at 08:43 am
Mainly, because their owner has stated, in similar terms, he wants this to happen, badly. There isn’t another available scenario that I can think of that would give him a better chance to win a SB over the next two years. That seems to be a very big motivating factor for him. Not, sure what that means in the form of draft picks, but he’s going to put all his chips on the table. All aboard for the all-in train. Jets-Jets-Jets!
I also think he will package a deal with Bak. That will help solve one of the few, if any remaining weaknesses on the team.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 09:09 am
The Packers don’t have to trade him. Add to that the pressure Woody Johnson applied to himself promising Jets fans he would do anything to make it happen.
I do think TEN, TB & LV (and possibly more teams) would jump in if NYJ doesn’t pony up.
There’s more pressure on the Jets getting this done than you might think. Jets fans won’t bat an eyelash if another pick or two are thrown in, as long as they have Rodgers in a Jets uniform. Should they fail by not offering enough, and GB trades him elsewhere?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 10:50 am
I absolutely think it is ridiculously stupid the Packers are restricting AR's trade can only be to the AFC. They have minimized potential trade options by half. I would prefer opening up options & trade partners to maximize returns, plus I would enjoy periodically having the Packers beat Rodgers.
Rarescope
March 11, 2023 at 12:10 pm
"I absolutely think it is ridiculously stupid the Packers are restricting AR's trade can only be to the AFC."
I've seen some talking heads claim this but not seen it stated by the Packers ergo... sounds like a rumor.
Guam
March 11, 2023 at 07:54 am
GG: I will be shocked if the Pack get anything close to the compensation Seattle got for Wilson. Rodgers is the better QB, but the age issue is significant. Rodgers will likely be a 1-3 year rental rather than 6-8 years like Wilson.
The Bahktiari component intrigues me. If he truly is part of the deal, the Packers have a lot more confidence in the Tom, Rhyan, Walker, Jones and Newman combo than I would have guessed. At least two if not three of those five will have major roles next year (starter or key reserve) for the Packers. And one of the Jets draft choices will likely be for an OT.
However trading Rodgers and Bahk will certainly clean up the cap for 2024.
LLCHESTY
March 11, 2023 at 08:23 am
Bakhtiari isn't going anywhere. They just reworked his deal yesterday, they can't afford to trade him.
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 08:43 am
I’m not sure that is true. We just eat more cap now as a result of the conversion of signing bonus. This could be read as getting us something for FA and setting up a trade. Certainly I don’t see us keeping him on a 40 million cap hit next year. It looks like a one year deal at most, though as TGR points out it could be seen as making him very palatable cap wise to a team seeking help before the trading deadline and looking at this as a cheap rental for the year.
LLCHESTY
March 11, 2023 at 06:15 pm
There's no way he can be traded until after June 1st. Too much dead cap. If the Packers are 2-6 next season maybe they move him if the right offer comes along but there is no way he can be included in the Rodgers deal, which is what I was responding to.
murf7777
March 11, 2023 at 08:44 am
LL….could you explain why they can’t afford to trade him? I’m not a SC expert and don’t know the reason.
LLCHESTY
March 11, 2023 at 06:17 pm
They just pushed money from this year to next year which would come due this year if he was traded now. Not possible.
Guam
March 11, 2023 at 09:12 am
TGR made a pretty good case yesterday that redoing Bahk's contract will make him more attractive to an acquiring team. Given that the Jets don't have that much cap room, this could be a precursor to trading him. And the Packers could afford the cap hit given the other contract redo's they have done. And unloading Rodgers and Bahk give the Packers lots of cap room in 2024.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 12:05 pm
Yes, indeed!
The Packers are trying to adjust contracts on their end to make an AR trade possible for the Jets. I’m sure they would do same should others express an interest to have their seat at the negotiating table.
I don’t think for one second that contract redo signals Bakhtiari returning to play for GB in 2023.
LLCHESTY
March 11, 2023 at 06:19 pm
OTC has Bakhtiari's dead cap hit at $16 million and I think that's before they restructured yesterday. So between Rodgers and Bakhtiari that's $24 million they'd have to come up with. Explain how they'd eat that and field a team. I'll wait.
4thand10
March 11, 2023 at 08:27 am
Yosh Nijnman is a pretty good player.
Guam
March 11, 2023 at 09:16 am
4thand10: I agree Yosh is a keeper and assuming the Packers do keep him, they will have four proven O-linemen (Nijman, Jenkins, Myers and Runyon), one very promising second year player in Tom and a big bunch of question marks in Newman, Rhyan, Walker, and Jones. They need seven quality lineman going into next season. Some guys are going to have to make big jumps or they are going to have to hit on draft choices.
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 09:30 am
I still see the real opportunity as a couple of years away as young players develop and cap flexibility returns. If we want them, guys like Clark and Jones should still be good and guys from last year and even this established. Any true contention before that is a bonus that will require Gute and LaFleur to knock it out of the park.
BirdDogUni
March 11, 2023 at 09:27 am
He is a dang good player. Wonder what they'll tender him at, or if a deal with Nijman is imminent?
If we put a 1st round tender on Yosh, I could easily see a team like the Bengals picking at 28 overall giving up their 1st for a known commodity. Granted the shoulder injury at the end of the year hurt us and maybe Yosh's stock, but maybe not? IDK
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 09:31 am
I doubt it would hurt stock among the professional community. It was pretty obvious. They don’t have to submit tenders till the 15th. Most are filed shortly before that.
PeteK
March 11, 2023 at 12:05 pm
IMO, nobody is giving up a first rounder for Nijman nor should the Pack pay 6 mill. A 2nd round tender with 4.3 mill, OK. He's a solid performer who could improve, but watching Hutchinson eat him up tempered my view of him.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 01:39 pm
Totally agree, Pete. Big fan of Yosh, myself, but that R2 tender seems the smart play.
Maybe the Packers & Gutekunst are learning something valuable in resetting clocks.
“This is a young man’s game.” A lesson hopefully learned.
Not disparaging any deal NYJ enters into here, as they have the team assembled to pull it off with AR simply a game manager.
We are two teams in very different positions. The Packers can’t really afford to play Rodgers any longer, with further immense sacrifices.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 09:18 am
I’ll be shocked if they even come close to that too, Guam. None of us knows though. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I just want Rodgers outta here, instead of him constantly hanging onto the team by the short hairs.
That’s on Murphy. All of this is. No player should be allowed to be bigger than the team.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:14 am
Gg,
Biggest reason for past 3 years I have wanted Rodgers gone. There are other extenuating factors but you just hit on the biggest reason for me.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 11:25 am
Yeah, Knock, there’s many reasons to point to. You can’t imagine my restraint here, being as tame as I can be.
I will wait till he’s officially gone.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 12:19 pm
I will likely all my resaons at that time along with you.
PhantomII
March 11, 2023 at 12:10 pm
No player should hold so much salary that a super bowl contention is unattainable. No player should want to ask for so much that the team cannot compete.....But here we are...and good riddance.
4thand10
March 11, 2023 at 08:25 am
Why does everyone say rebuild? We’ve been rebuilding since LaFluer has been hired. Young promising WRs, Young OL except for BaK. Young Corners. The whole team is young except for Crosby, Rodgers, BAk and Lewis. And it’s pretty safe to say no Cobb, no lewis and possibly no Crossbar. And maybe even Bak gets traded… But this team is a young team. Like it or not , Rodgers was already a part of a rebuild. LaFluer has is coaches in place, including a big promotion for Rich Biscaccia . Preston Smith is restructured and I’m ok with that, he may not always get to a QB, but Gary is returning and Preston can set an Edge. New DB coordinator. If we get a first for Rodgers this year and one next year…I’d be totally cool with that. Not to mention lessening part of that contract load.
murf7777
March 11, 2023 at 08:55 am
I think the reason some think it is a rebuild is because they have restructured and pushed almost every contract they can down the road. My guess is that this will cause SC issues soon and will have to release vets to keep them under the cap. Also, It would be unusual for a new QB starting in their first year to have really good success. They may have to eat even more of Rodgers cap dollars just to make the deal with the Jets.
I’m not a SC expert, but I tend to agree the Packers will be hamstrung in the coming couple of years. Personally, if the trade happens, I think it will be a couple of years before they compete for the North title again. Hope I’m wrong!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:22 am
Murf,
The ironic thing is during the TT era he would almost never use FA to improve the team. Contrary to many who think highly of TT I believe this prevented the Pack from winning an extra SB or two with Rodgers. Believe me BB with New England aggressively used FA to fill and round out his roster.
Therefore, if we were still in the TT era it would be business as usual even though currently restricted with cap. The difference is Gutey showed in 2019 just how quickly you could turn the team around using FA. Yes, we are rebuilding for a few years until salaries like Rodgers and Bachtiari are off the books. The winning formula for success is a combination of draft & develop and the use of FA with fiscal management.
dobber
March 11, 2023 at 11:51 am
"I think the reason some think it is a rebuild is because they have restructured and pushed almost every contract they can down the road....Personally, if the trade happens, I think it will be a couple of years before they compete for the North title again."
I think that, because of the restructures, even if the trade DOESN'T happen the roster doesn't look much different and their ability to contend for the North title in 2023 doesn't change much, but the bonus structure that kicks in on the deal hamstrings them more for the ensuing years than if he's dealt.
Rarescope
March 11, 2023 at 12:07 pm
"I agree Rodgers should carry higher value, Cory, but if we get more for Aaron Rodgers than SEA got for Russell Wilson, I’ll be shocked."
No doubt. Cory's articles make it just too easy to pick on him. I'll be rolling on the floor laughing if we get anything even remotely close to what Seattle got for Wilson. I read a few articles from the Jets media yesterday and they were talking like a third rounder and maybe a conditional fourth the next year. If we get even a first rounder and a player this year I'll consider it a good trade.
fthisJack
March 12, 2023 at 10:13 am
I wouldn't take anything less than a 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st next year. As much as I want AR gone, I wouldn't give him away to the Jets for anything less. The Jets are desperate to get the QB that will lead them to the SB and will pony up if the FO takes a stand and not whimp out and cave.
marpag1
March 11, 2023 at 06:42 am
I make a motion that we all just wait and see what happens instead of committing our ignorance to written form.
T7Steve
March 11, 2023 at 07:02 am
Too late! LOL.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 07:03 am
Wtf?
I hate tweakers. This is a forum for Packer fans to share thoughts on the articles shared & our team. If you want to be permanently ignored, that’s one way to do it.
Thanks a lot, marp.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:28 am
That was the stupidest comment ever on CCTV. Maybe once the season ends just stop coming here until the new season starts. This is a site for us fans to have open debate & discussion with exchanging of ideas.
egbertsouse
March 11, 2023 at 08:08 am
You really don’t get fan sites, do you? It’s a platform for exposing ignorance. None of us know diddly-squat but we all have a loud voice. Without ignorance, these sites wouldn’t exist. This may come as a shock to some members who may think they know something. As for me, I am comfortable with my ignorance
T7Steve
March 11, 2023 at 08:24 am
I don't think I know what ignorance is?
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 03:58 pm
Bliss
murf7777
March 11, 2023 at 08:59 am
Eg…..thanks for a great Saturday morning laugh….good one!! We all have opinions and you know what else we all have.
Johnblood27
March 11, 2023 at 10:04 am
I am also comfortable with your ignorance...
I am still trying to come to terms with mine, though...
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 12:48 pm
Is it that I'm ignorant, or apathetic?
I don't know, and I don't care.
***
I don't know why fans seemingly put themselves down by saying we don't know anything, and that we're wasting our time here.
Why such voluntary abasement?
We know a lot about Rodgers and the Packers through careful observation over the years, and by sharing our comments here at CHTV.
We don't know everything, but that seems to be in large part due to an inept and effete media.
Then there's Rodgers seeming to completely disregard the fans in his selfishness.
He is welcome to answer our concerns and tell his side of the story. I'd be glad to be wrong in my sadness and anger about the domineering arrogance of Rodgers, and how he is dragging down the Packers.
Otherwise, I have to go by what I see and hear and read, as best I can, as fairly as I can.
To me, following the Packers and speaking out for the good of the team is a worthy endeavor. Why else would we be here?
stockholder
March 11, 2023 at 07:19 am
I just can’t believe the BS that I'm hearing/reading.
That Rodgers can play. But we would rather lose.
They think he’s ready. LOL
Jordan Love will be public enemy
#1, when The turn-overs start.
And the enemy just won't be his own teammates.
It will be the enemy within!
The proper evaluation of players
Just went out the window.
Because guys will no longer want to be packers.
The rats always leave a sinking ship!
Since when is Gutey’s Legacy more important??
Because we know MLF will be fired.
It's there; and even a blind man can feel it.
I say trade back if you want four picks.
Come Back Rodgers. Make them release you!
You won't like Living in NY.
Oppy
March 11, 2023 at 07:44 am
I love your chicken little impersonation
Cheapseats12
March 11, 2023 at 08:52 am
This might be the dumbest comment ever. Clearly u r a Rodgers fan boy and not a Packer fan. The time has come. Rodgers has worn out his welcome. Packers rolled out the red carpet for him in recent years. Gave him a ridiculous contract and he responded by clearly checking out this year. I'm one who sided with Favre in that divorce, but at least Rodgers is gunna be traded after a bad year when the team is not as good. Also, release him? Are you stupid or just ignorant? Favre in August asked for his release and was openly refused. The Packers forced Favre to choose Jets or retirement. Packers will do the same with Rodgers here. He would actually lose his leverage if he retired and came back later. Like when did u become a fan, 2010? 🤦🏻♂️
Packerpasty
March 11, 2023 at 05:29 pm
Nice...I like name calling and belittling....your cool, dude..
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:32 am
Without question SH you and some others lying in the weeds are just hoping Jordan Love has his ups & downs next year. With each interception or incompletion just waiting to pounce & remind everyone of your brilliance & how AR should have never been traded all the while ignoring how all the draft bounty & player acquisition has improved the team in their rebuild.
jannesbjornson
March 11, 2023 at 11:55 am
Only Losers Rebuild.
PeteK
March 11, 2023 at 12:22 pm
However, when it works out it is wonderfully refreshing, 1996 & 2010.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 03:44 pm
Spin it anyway you want with semantics Jannes, but the Packers are in a rebuild. This will be especially true if you see someone traded along with Rodgers like Bachtiari.
We are looking at rebuilding at QB, Safety, Edge, WR, TE, and probably DL to lesser extent.
Packerpasty
March 12, 2023 at 03:31 pm
oh don't worry about that...if Love sucks or is even just mediocre all you people are going to hear it...take it like a man, the cult of "hate Rodgers" has been going strong for a year now, when your hero Love flops it will be bad for the Packers and for the cult...
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 12, 2023 at 10:23 pm
The sad part is people like you Pasty no doubt will prefer Love fails, so you can climb out of wherever you hide to remind everyone Rodgers should never have been traded. I will share Rodgers inherited a team in the NFC championship with a 13 & 3 record and with Rodgers at the helm the next year guided the Packers to 6 & 10. Love is inheriting a team that did not even make the playoffs and didn't have a 500 record. My measurement of success for Love will be the 2023 won/loss record compared to 2022. Let's see how that plays out compared to Rodgers first year.
PhantomII
March 11, 2023 at 01:35 pm
Your QB crush was paid a kings ransom last season, knowing his #1 WR walked. AR did not come into the preseason and build a report with the young new WR's. He did not see fit to be an offensive leader and will this team to a better record. When a young WR dropped a pass or ran the wrong route...We got the trademark eyeroll or palms turned up and shoulder shrug....followed by not passing to the player for the rest of the game...Instead of an eye contact...I'm coming back at you...to build confidence. Nearly ALL PACKER FANS ARE...Beyond ready for this dance to stop. Dumping AR salary will enable the Packers to get and keep more talent for playoff success in the near future. Love will be just fine and be surrounded by more talent than AR had after HIS MONEY GRAB.
fthisJack
March 12, 2023 at 10:21 am
SH.....I had to LOL at "even a blind man can feel it". You really should think before you go on your rants.
BirdDogUni
March 13, 2023 at 12:25 am
They say when you lose one of your senses, the other senses make up for it...
Wonder what happens when you lose all your sense?
Guess we'll have to ask sh... ; P
croatpackfan
March 11, 2023 at 07:46 am
You forgot to take your medicine today? Again?
"That Rodgers can play."
I agree. The question is at what level!?
"They think he’s ready. LOL
Jordan Love will be public enemy
#1, when The turn-overs start.
And the enemy just won't be his own teammates.
It will be the enemy within!"
No, not just them. All locker room does. And lot of QB experts do. Just you do not want to except reality.
"The rats always leave a sinking ship!"
Your beloved QB is first who asked for trade. Are you talking about him?
"Come Back Rodgers. Make them release you!
You won't like Living in NY."
This shows how lack of knowledge you have about ACR. He loves attention and will get a lot of attention there...
And one question. How many Packers stocks you have and are you willing to sell them? I'm interested buyer.
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 08:01 am
Croat - We can't sell our stock and even if we gave our share away, you couldn't get your name put on it because each share is transferrable only to family members. Of course, you could still get a share from someone by "donating" $250 (cost of share in the last stock sale) to that person in exchange for the share with someone else's name on it.
croatpackfan
March 11, 2023 at 08:58 am
Psssst, I know. I just teased him to see how he value those stocks.
Johnblood27
March 11, 2023 at 10:09 am
Hey guys, here is a secret - so promise not to tell anyone...
lean in and listen...
Stockholder has stock...
Just NOT in the Green Bay Packers, Inc.!
He holds lots of shares in National Widget, Consolidated Tool and Die and his recently added Crypto shares!
MooPack
March 11, 2023 at 07:49 am
He’ll soon be touching down in a New Jersey town. Maybe bring a friend or two with him.
Jet Airliner - Steve Miller
Leavin' home, out on the road
I've been down before
Ridin' along in this big ol' jet plane
I've been thinkin' about my home
But my love light seems so far away
And I feel like it's all been done
Somebody's tryin' to make me stay
You know I've got to be movin' on
Doug_In_Sandpoint
March 11, 2023 at 09:01 am
I just don't want to get caught up in that
Funky shit goin' down in the city.
beerandbrats
March 11, 2023 at 07:54 am
History repeats itself! Just like his predecessor, AR12 has worn out his welcome and now the team is moving on. Breaking up is never easy but
I hope this does turn out to be a win-win for both sides. AR12 has created many great memories (and some bad) but I wish him continued success in NY!
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 08:07 am
And just like his predecessor, his last pass as a Packer would've been a comeback-killing interception.
WinUSA
March 13, 2023 at 06:45 am
I really, really, hate to hear about Favre’s last interception. Yes, he threw so many bonehead interceptions in his time at Green Bay.. that I only have two hairs left after pulling them out at each one.
But the Saints were blatantly giving Favre cheap shots after the whistle, piling on, pile driving him… I hated him for joining the Viqueens. But all said the man was the toughest SOB QB that ever played the game!
On the last play of the game there was a lane open a mile wide to run….. but he was crippled from the cheap shots received all day and he just couldn’t run…. The interception was his last Hail Mary throw…
It was a sin of a game that afterwards cost the Saints dearly.
Cut the man some slack… he gave us a chance to win on any given Sunday… something Packer fans hadn’t seen in TWO decades!
There hasn’t been a gamer like Favre in Packer uniform since.
And that includes Rodgers!
Oppy
March 11, 2023 at 08:41 am
I agree with all of this!
Except the part about wishing Rodgers well in his future endeavors.
I hope he finds nothing but failure ahead of him.
A player who undermines his coaches is not a guy I root for. A player who holds his team hostage is not a guy i root for.
I rooted for pre 2016 Aaron Rodgers. Not this guy.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 12:55 pm
Well, we can root for him to get his act together to once again become a leader of men, instead of a weirdo prima donna absorbed in himself.
jlc1
March 11, 2023 at 03:18 pm
You know all this how?
Oppy
March 12, 2023 at 06:29 am
3 simple reasons;
1) I have eyes with which to see and read
2) I have ears with which to hear and listen
3) I have a brain with which I collect, comprehend, deduct and reason
fthisJack
March 13, 2023 at 04:17 am
I don't blame Rodgers for any of this. The coach and FO created their Frankenstein
by caving in to him after he bad mouthed Gutey and the FO. That, my friends, was the time to cut the leash. He won and took control of the team. Now we're probably looking at a third round pick and a case of beer for the prims donna. Does this FO do anything that makes sense?
egbertsouse
March 11, 2023 at 08:00 am
The compensation package you’re suggesting is pure fantasy. It reflects what they could’ve gotten for him 2 years ago when they should have traded him. At this point, they will probably get a second and possibly a fourth. The whole world knows they are desperate to get rid of him and that, plus his mediocre season, has reduced his value.
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 08:06 am
We could've Hadl'd the Broncos last spring; this spring we'll only Favre the Jets.
If the trade happens, here' my prediction:
From Packers: Rodgers and R5 2023 pick. No financial considerations.
From Jets: 2023 R2, 2024 conditional (R3 minimum), one player.
The R5 pick would be essentially for the included player.
Obviously, this doesn't include Bahktiari. With him, I think we could get their 2023 R1 and perhaps a later round 2024 pick.
I hope we'll know how wrong I am later today.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:37 am
If the Pack cannot get reasonable draft bounty make him come back to the Packers and have him play second fiddle to Love. I guarantee once the season starts and before the trade deadline there are going to be QB injuries, and/or teams will see their QB of choice isn't ready to lead the team to where they want. Rodgers value may never be higher.
PeteK
March 11, 2023 at 12:36 pm
Remember the Jets are desperate for a QB, especially since Carr signed.
murf7777
March 11, 2023 at 09:03 am
I agree they won’t get that package, but never underestimate a Billionaire owner who wants to stroke his ego. Look what Haslam did in Cleveland with Watson as an example.
croatpackfan
March 11, 2023 at 10:20 am
And Haslam made chaos in QB market...
hobowilly
March 11, 2023 at 10:33 am
It would be sorta silly to trade a two time in a row MVP, coupled with all the success his HC has had his first 3 years. It's too easy to state they should have traded him, in hindsight. No one knew GB would lose 2 of their top O coaches in the pre '22 season and many forget (IMHO) that's a major cause of an awkward lower than .500 season.
As much as i like MLF, he made many mistakes in clutch situations cementing losses as well. I felt it was (OMG) there goes the season when GB lost to Det on the road in a very poor game by AR based on his standards. My statement at the time rang true and as it were, Det was a very tough opponent at season's end. I still expected GB to win @ home to capture the last playoff spot after winning 4 in a row.
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 10:55 am
Out of context, trading a reigning MVP after a 13-4 season IS idiotic, as you pointed out. In context, however, it would've been absolutely the right thing to do. The context? Rodgers trashing the team immediately before the 21 draft. He should never have played that season and would possibly not even gotten the MVP he covets had he played on the Broncos instead.
So fast forward a year, and again out of context, trading a two-in-a-row reigning MVP after another 13-4 season seems idiotic. The context? His demands for control over the roster (i.e. Cobb's return), his demands for control over the playbook (as noted by Scooter throughout the 21 and 22 off-seasons), and his possible demand for control over the QB Coach (speculation here). In context, signing him to a cap-killing contract extension was the height of idiocy. He should've been traded to Denver and we should've had 6 of the first 65 picks in the last draft.
PatrickGB
March 11, 2023 at 08:03 am
The team gave Rodgers what he wanted last year. It did not work as planned. Now it’s water under the bridge. In a couple of years our cap will be better. GPG
hobowilly
March 11, 2023 at 10:52 am
concise stmt Pat. As a diehard fan, yes, i admit wanting him back. Too many fans are coldhearted when they can't grasp a GM's job is "current" success but also future looking for what's best for the franchise. Emotions make this hard when you have such a lovable group of players as are the Packers!
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 10:57 am
I don't know that I'd call Rodgers "loveable". He's a bit prickly to me, but then I, of course, don't know him personally. I think the phrase "complicated fella" accurately describes him.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 01:00 pm
Right, Patrick, don't compound a big mistake with more big mistakes.
Accept the losses and move on.
Minimize the bad, and start maximizing the good.
With a promising young quarterback surrounded by a lot of talent, the Packers should aim for the playoffs next season, and the Super Bowl thereafter.
LLCHESTY
March 11, 2023 at 08:18 am
The media saying Rodgers won't like the NY media is pretty funny. I'm not just talking about Cory, it's been a running theme the last day or two. Will he get tougher questions from the NY media? For sure. Will he give two shits? No.
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 08:46 am
Rodgers loves playing with the media. It’s an opportunity to make enigmatic and mysterious statements that appeal to his sense of humor in watching them play out I think.
BirdDogUni
March 11, 2023 at 09:42 am
"Rodgers loves playing with the media. It’s an opportunity to make enigmatic and mysterious statements that appeal to his sense of humor in watching them play out I think."
No doubt.
I can't wait until the press conference... I imagine Joe Namath with his full-length mink coat and Rodgers with a matching one going full Joe Rogan about half-way through the PC... Lol
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 10:59 am
Having the two of them do that would be awesome. What I'm sure we won't see is Rodgers tearing up while saying "I'll always be a Packer".
Cheapseats12
March 11, 2023 at 08:54 am
R u kidding? He calls out the media all the time for what they say about him. In NY it will be more said more often and Rodgers gets so defensive about what is said, even when it's true stuff. He prefers McAfee so he can write the narrative. Doesn't have that luxury in NY. He acts like he doesn't care but we all know how sensitive he is.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:39 am
I believe all the media attention is a draw for AR and not a negative. He loves attention and the New York media will give it to him.
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 08:29 am
Am I the only one who thinks that this could yet get very ugly indeed?
Yesterday Murphy stated publicly that we don’t want Rodgers back. We may have previously suspected that, but it’s now out there as fact. Why he voiced that now I do not know. A desperate push to a Rodgers that they fear will say no to the Jets? Murphy also admitted that we can’t control whether he leaves. That’s thanks to a ridiculous extension a year ago that effectively prevents us from cutting Rodgers.
If Rodgers doesn’t decide he wants to go to the Jets, will he just quietly retire? I read Murphy’s comments as suggesting that the Packers don’t. I wouldn’t were I Rodgers, unless I had already decided to for my own reasons. If Rodgers says no now, then he’s back and we can do nothing about it at this point. I think that might make the Favre departure seem like a love-in.
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 08:41 am
Rodgers deciding to come back to a team that has publicly said it doesn't want him is the nightmare scenario and is exactly what I'm afraid of. At this point, it's probably the one most likely to happen. Why? Because if the trade terms had already been decided before the Jets visited Rodgers and if Rodgers was okay with the trade, then the trade would've been consummated by now - there's no logical reason to wait to announce it in this case.
The longer we don't hear anything, the less likely Rodgers is going anywhere, IMO. I sure hope I'm wrong; stockholder would be pleased, I guess. In that case, we can expect a lot of CHTV articles about "Do we sit Rodgers in favor of Love? Do we trade Love? Do we have an open QB competition? " More dead horses to flog...
And Murphy's comments yesterday (Thursday?) will tell any other team who may be interested that our price for Rodgers is now very little, just to get him out of the building. SMH at the "we are not idiots" guy.
croatpackfan
March 11, 2023 at 09:10 am
Did anyone thought of this scenario. As the report man whom all 3 "parties" had to report he might be the only one who was against trade and wanted ACR back. He was outvoted and explained why it is not good idea. He was pushed to accept that.
Than he got his 3 minutes to ruin the job and got what he wanted from beggining. To get ACR back. Maybe as deal he made with ACR.
For me he looked washed completely on that video and looking like he is 70 to 80 yo. In contrary to the last contract extension annoumcement ("we are not idiots").
This post might be conspiracy theory, but it is also possible.
Oppy
March 11, 2023 at 08:45 am
Yeah, this was my immediate reaction to Murphy's comments.
MM really needs to keep his mouth shut. He's clearly not well equipped for making public statements. The things he said did not one favor for the Packers, lessens the teams' leverage in negotiations, and may have nudged Rodgers towards a more stand-offish or vindictive stance in his decision making... lord knows Rodgers is petty to begin with, why add fuel to the fire.
Better off punting the difficult, unexpected question than answering it poorly. Mark Murphy really is kind of a PR nightmare.
croatpackfan
March 11, 2023 at 09:03 am
But, but, but "he is not idiot"!
murf7777
March 11, 2023 at 09:07 am
I agree, unless MM had a good reason for what he said….Not sure what that would be, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt before judging him on this issue.
Johnblood27
March 11, 2023 at 10:15 am
send in the question to Murphy takes 5.
"Why did you say you want Rodgers gone before a trade was completed?"
BirdDogUni
March 11, 2023 at 10:13 am
He reminds me of Joe Biden. Saying exactly what he thinks, when he thinks it. The only difference is, the media makes excuses for Biden...
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 11:01 am
More like Trump actually, and the media made excuses for him as well.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 08:48 am
Murphy is, in fact, an idiot. Contrary to his own unpopular beliefs.
“Your Honor, I’d like to present Exhibit 217 into evidence on Mr. Murphy’s Idiocy charges…”
CheesedDeadHead
March 11, 2023 at 11:27 am
"Murphy is, in fact, an idiot. "
I think we tend to use polar views about individuals that are rarely correct. Murphy isn't a dictionary definition of an idiot. He's clearly not as smart as he thinks he is and he has some pretty clear limitations that make him a bottom 10 president in the NFL. Idiot? No, that's Joe Barry level incompetence.
I'd gladly like to see someone throw a live grenade into Murphy's mouth the next time he opens it, but at his age and diminished capacity his head would likely blow up before he figured out what just happened. Of course I wouldn't really want any harm to come to him, but it's a nice fantasy for a few minutes while I wait for the shoe to drop on another generated drama involving the Packers.
zerotolerance
March 11, 2023 at 08:56 am
And Rodgers was not going to hold anyone hostage?
BirdDogUni
March 11, 2023 at 10:14 am
*He wasn't going to as long as they gave him exactly what he wanted. They didn't, so now all bets are off? Lol
marpag1
March 11, 2023 at 09:03 am
Well, Gutey did say that "all options are on the table," so I think we need to assume that Packageddon is definitely one of the possible outcomes.
Gotta admit, it was an awfully strange comment from MM... but not as egregious as it seems. No team could have any contact with Rodgers at all if the Packers did not allow it.
Guam
March 11, 2023 at 09:06 am
Agreed CW. I suggested yesterday that things seemed to be lagging and that it could get messy. Dobber talked me off the ledge, but every day that passes without word from Rodgers makes me less and less comfortable with Rodgers quietly moving on. Murphy's statements yesterday seemed to me to be a push directed getting at Rodgers to move on.
This isn't over yet........
barutanseijin
March 11, 2023 at 10:09 am
C’mon. It’s been as clear as day since Tuesday, when the Jets went out to California. The Packers wouldn’t have given permission for those talks unless they were done with Rodgers.
greengold
March 11, 2023 at 11:23 am
Right. Anyone thinking otherwise is blind to Mark Murphy’s vanity, his narcissistic need to be in front of the camera, no matter the stupid shit he says.
LambeauPlain
March 11, 2023 at 10:20 am
Murphy just makes me cringe most of the time. Talk about a fish on the sand.
2022: Sorry Brian. Matt wants him back. He's gonna be a Packer this season and I told Russ to get the deal done.
2023: Sorry Matt. Brian believes Jordan is ready. We are going to move on. Either he retires or we trade him.
2024: Sorry Mark. Everyone on the Board agrees you need to retire now. This can kicking is going to stop now.
CheesedDeadHead
March 11, 2023 at 11:17 am
"Am I the only one who thinks that this could yet get very ugly indeed?"
I think being difficult and wanting attention every offseason is very different from pouring gasoline over everything and lighting a match. I think Rodgers will get some type of revenge, but it may be more like wearing a "I'm offended" T-shirt than full on nuclear war.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:43 am
Then let Rodgers back but have him sit on bench humiliating him. Once the season starts up until the trade deadline there is going to be some desperate teams wanting to slavage the season. The Packers if they do not flinch will still win & come out on top. Who gives a flying f__k about AR's legacy if it comes to this as Rodgers will have brought it upon himself.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 02:49 pm
Right, Knock, it's not a matter of wanting to humiliate Rodgers, but a matter of being firm with him, which is actually being fair with him.
I truly want the best for Rodgers, but it's not good for anyone to be enabled to be a jerk.
It's possible there's a really good reason for the delay in this trading of Rodgers; but it's also possible he's doing diva things to not only piss off the remote burg of Green Bay, but the teeming metropolis of New York City.
One wonders what good reasons there could be for the hold up, especially as Rodgers has a track record of being daintily difficult.
The Jets flew a contingent of top management to woo Rodgers, and yet perhaps he dithers in his demands.
We'll see -- but in the meantime, we can send a message that he better not be jerking us around once again.
***
If he wants to humiliate himself by overstaying his days in Green Bay, then that's up to him.
If he does insist on hanging around the Packers and overstaying his welcome with his lavish salary and outsized ego, I'd put Rodgers on the practice squad so he his further removed from undermining the team.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 03:29 pm
Swish,
Hope your health has improved my friend. I personally always find your posts to be some of the very best here on CCTV. It is always very insightful & well thought out, which is why some here struggle with some of your posts.
Personally, I am confident AR already knows & has known for sometime what he is going to do. He has been huddling for days with his agents, his financial & accountants, his PR advisors, friends, etc. He loves the attention and is going to string it out and milk this for all it is worth. Lot of posters here at CCTV walking on egg shells right now about what they say about AR, or at least until he is formally traded. I don't really care as not only is AR only concerned about AR, but I also think with the way the Packer organization seems to have publicly moved on from him I truly believe he will (or thru his proxies) try to sabotage & get back at the organization anyway he can. It is human nature for many aka Favre. I state again should Rodgers force his way to stay on the Packer roster the Packers stick him on the bench humiliating him without even a chance at starting. By the way, I love your idea even better by putting him on the Practice Squad. Even better I believe there is a status a team can put a player on where they do not practice, or come to the facility to prevent a fake injury claim. If the FO I'd tell Rodgers while you will receive the guaranteed money you aren't going anywhere near the field. You want the money, well there goes your legacy. We all know how important Rodgers legacy is to him. Then once again prior to the trade deadline I'd try trading him because his value to other teams probably will never be higher. By this time Rodgers likely will be much more agreeable to a trade. Packers ultimately have the upper hand if they do not blink and exercise patience.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 06:20 pm
Thanks so much, Knock, for your kind words, which really mean a lot to me.
My health is a little better over the last week or so, and I'm grateful for that.
***
I'm intrigued by your idea, if the trade to the Jets doesn't happen, and there are no other good offers for him forthcoming, to be patient in waiting for the possibility that a team could become interested in him later in the coming months, even into training camp or the start of the regular season.
With politeness and respect, the Packers could tell Rodgers that we're hoping for such a scenario to work out for the benefit of both the team and him.
In any case, he won't be a part of games going forward, and maybe not even practice.
We're not trying to humiliate Rodgers, but we think it's best for the team to move on without him.
At the same time, it's no secret that we hope this distancing of Rodgers does make him more motivated to be traded to a team that truly wants him on the field.
I hope Rodgers will also be motivated to make the most of such an opportunity, and go on to finish his career on a positive note.
His act has worn thin in Green Bay, but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate the good times with Rodgers in the past; may he learn from his mistakes so as to have a great life ahead of him.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 03:39 pm
We are talking about AR...of course it could get ugly!
Do you recall Andre Risons girlfriend burning down his house. Well that is probably a good example of how ugly this might get!
lou
March 11, 2023 at 10:27 am
The Packers should be able to get more for Rodgers. That is the new definition of Gas Lighting.
Dagger
March 11, 2023 at 10:35 am
I am more than ready for Aaron Rodgers to be traded to the Jets. I have never understood the last contract he received. How it hamstrung the team from providing all the support needed to assemble a Super Bowl contending team. The salary cap was impoverished and he greatly gained financially. But from a team perspective and attempting to win another Super Bowl he took all the resources. He is an extremely gifted and bright human being. He knows the financial ramifications his contract has. In life you have to give and take. In this last contract Rodgers just took. I know people will comment about how easy it is for me to say this about another person's finances. I understand that but do you have to have the 2023 Lamborghini for $245,000? Could you just settle for the 2023 Tesla Model S for $103,000. Not asking him to drive a Honda Accord. Clearly our GB leadership also has culpability in the decisions leading to his last contract. Desperate and unwise decision making.
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 11:06 am
I have no problem with Rodgers asking for the moon - that's what every player should do, IMO, because the average career is what, three years? I have a massive problem with the Packers giving in to Rodgers. He was under contract; they didn't need to extend him at that point and, after receiving his financial and team demands, should've traded him ASAP.
The huge contract is on Murphy and Ba'al, not Rodgers.
Dagger
March 11, 2023 at 03:33 pm
I really think it is on both. He is the one who forced the issue, manipulated the situation and poured gas on the first. Not an either or but both.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:47 am
Welcome and well said KY!
Dagger
March 11, 2023 at 03:33 pm
thanks
NickPerry
March 11, 2023 at 10:46 am
"Favre led the league with 22 interceptions in 2008 and was 21st in passer rating. The Jets were 25th in the league in scoring in 2007 and with Favre, that number rose to No. 9 — with Jerricho Cotchery as the No. 1 wide receiver. Still, the Jets missed the playoffs with a 9-7 record."
YES, they finished 9-7 but the Jets were 8-3 at one point in the year. EVERYTHING went downhill when Favre injured his shoulder getting sacked IIRC and played in games he should have sat in... Sort of like this year with Rodgers thumb. Art least we can say that pretty honestly in hindsight tight?
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 10:53 am
So, Aaron Rodgers torments Packers fans to very end . . . if this is the end.
It seems Rodgers has known the Jets were a leading contender for his services for weeks now, yet he still continues to dawdle as if he is maddeningly running the play clock down to a fraction of a second.
***
At this point, I'm good with Rodgers retiring, or being told that if he stays with the Packers it will be as a backup to Jordan Love.
Just get him out of the way.
***
Interesting that the local media for the Packers is apparently so mild with Rodgers, so timid, so deferential.
Can it really be that the local media is granted only limited access to Rodgers, yet still is afraid to criticize him, lest they get even less access? Isn't that journalistic wimpiness to the nth degree of self-inflicted humiliation?
By the way, it seems that most of the national media panders to Rodgers, as well, or at least misses the point of how seriously his irritating immaturity undermines the well-being of the Packers.
***
Perhaps CHTV has been the best source of an honest assessment of the personal decline of Rodgers in all of his domineering and delusional arrogance.
If there is very little reporting about the true ugliness of Rodgers as a Packer, then it's only fair for us as fans here at CHTV to analyze the available evidence and do our best job of describing the situation.
The contorted and disfigured face of Rodgers at the Cowboys game this past season at the end of regulation -- his visage warped in a tantrum of bratty egotism and entitlement -- seems to epitomize what he has become in a sad fall of character.
For the good of the Green Bay Packers and all of its fans, it seems to me to have been a worthy endeavor to call out Rodgers as a real poison to the team in all of his self-absorption.
If Rodgers is continuing to jerk around both the Packers and the Jets -- and I hope this is not the case -- then we should continue to expose him as a jerk.
marpag1
March 11, 2023 at 11:09 am
"... journalistic wimpiness to the nth degree of self-inflicted humiliation?"
"...his visage warped in a tantrum of bratty egotism and entitlement?"
LOL. Apparently ARod ain't the only drama queen around here.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 11:40 am
Too much?
Maybe.
To me, these are apt descriptions of Rodgers, and possibly a fawning media.
How would others describe the twisted facial expression of Rodgers -- for all of a national television audience to see -- when he didn't get his way at the end of regulation against the Cowboys?
Also, how did the media cover this tantrum of insubordination to his head coach?
Does anyone else think that this tantrum was possibly an expression of the general attitude of Rodgers these days as quarterback of the Packers?
My impression is that the tantrum is an embodiment of the current jerkiness of Rodgers, and a symbol of why he is the fault line around which the Packers crack and crumble under pressure in the biggest games.
***
Tell me how I'm wrong about Rodgers in this tantrum -- and his cryptic hand signals to wide receivers; and his not playing in the preseason but in that meaningless regular-season game against the Lions at the end of the 2021 season; and his offseason holdouts; and his trashing of the front office just before training camp of 2021.
Tell me why I shouldn't be at least a little suspicious of him right now in unnecessarily dragging out this deal with the Jets.
Tell my why Rodgers isn't infuriating, and why my descriptions are exaggerated.
DanL
March 11, 2023 at 12:10 pm
That spectacle was the end of the AR road for me. Embarrassing and weak for all involved. I loved watching him play but I am ready to stick a fork in it.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 12:35 pm
He's like the toddler in the grocery store throwing a fit in a public spectacle because he didn't get his favorite cereal.
Either you nip it in the bud right away, or the tantrums become louder and uglier more embarrassing all the way to adulthood.
Some of the fans here seem to be of the ilk to endlessly appease the brat at quarterback.
marpag1
March 11, 2023 at 12:49 pm
Ok, I'll tell you why.
About his "tantrum in Dallas" - Every frickin' QB in the league throws tantrums (or worse) on a regular basis. Do you really mean to say you never saw Brady scream at a teammate, or smash a tablet, or throw a headset or call his own play? Really?? Or is it that you only notice when Devil-boy Rodgers does it?
About his "cryptic hand signals" - every QB in the league uses hand signals, and should use hand signals. Rodgers kept people after practice to learn them. Maybe he didn't do as good a job as he should have, or maybe some players didn't take the time to learn, and maybe "Swish" is not entirely satisfied with that. Fine. One question: Has Rodgers been one of the most prolific passers in the history of the NFL - yes or no? And you're stomping your feet because you don't like his hand signals?
About not playing in the preseason - this is extremely common throughout the NFL, and sitting out is very often favored by both players AND COACHES. Who decided that Rodgers wouldn't play (I'm sure you where there when the decision was made)? And why aren't you bitching about all of those other teams and players who do exactly the same thing?
About the "meaningless" game against Detroit - oh, I don't know... maybe Rodgers played because 3 weeks is a damn long time to go without playing in a real game, and he didn't want to be rusty for the playoffs? Or maybe because DAVANTE ADAMS said he thought the offense would be more sharp if the starters played in Detroit (yet remarkably, you're not bitching about Davante Adams - go figure). From your intimate experience, do you know if the coaching staff encouraged or discouraged Rodgers to play? Have you never heard the eternal NFL debate about about whether the "rust" of sitting out is better or worse than the risk of playing?
The offseason holdouts - Rodgers DIDN'T "hold out."
About his trash talking of the front office - this is called "contract negotiations," and anyone with a clue knows that it's standard practice in contract negotiations to bad-mouth and blame the other side. Oddly, you only seem to care when Rodgers does it, and not the rest of the NFL.
And saving the best for last... "Tell me why I shouldn't be at least a little suspicious of him right now in unnecessarily dragging out this deal with the Jets." LLLOOOLLL. Um, maybe because you don't have a flipping clue what you're talking about? How do you know Rodgers is dragging his feet? How do you know the Jets aren't having second thoughts? How do you know the Packers aren't dissatisfied with a lowball trade offer from the Jets? How do you know that the Packers aren't calling around to other teams to see if they can get a better offer? How do you know that a deal is not already agreed to? How do you know that the Jets don't want a package deal with Bakh, but maybe Bakh is the one who is dragging his feet? How do you know that maybe the Packers and the Jets need a little time to negotiate some restructured contracts? How do you know that Rodgers didn't come down with an apocalyptic case of the runs, and has spent the past three days doing nothing but sleeping and sucking down Pepto Bismol?
The reality is, you don't know shit, but you're happy to imagine that you do and to blame it all on Rodgers anyway. But damn, at least you're doing it ever so eloquently.
PS - I hope Rodgers gets traded. The Packers will be better off that way. I've said that for a while now. I'm just not going to join your pitchfork crowd in blindly asserting that Rodgers (or Murphy) is the devil.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 01:13 pm
When someone has punched you in the mouth over and over again, it's only natural to be more than a little suspicious, a little wary.
I'm truly glad for your points of view, marpag, but it seems haughty of you to say I know nothing and then to proceed as if you know everything.
You make good points, but why trash mine?
Why so hard on me, and so delicate with Rodgers?
***
One point for now:
Rodgers said he didn't need the preseason because practice is sufficient to get the offense ready for the regular season.
Then, Rodgers wants to play in a meaningless final game of the regular season -- even though he's had the prior 16 games of the regular season to hone the offense, and practices are sufficient anyway.
Plus, remember the injury to his little toe that he showed to the nation, which threatened to keep him out of games if reinjured. Why risk it except for selfish rewards?
By the way, Bakh was reinjured in that game, and MVS was injured. Both were out for the playoff loss versus the 49ers when Rodgers stole defeat from victory in missing a wide-open Lazard and throwing incomplete in the vicinity of a double-covered Adams. So, that's what came of playing against the Lions, injury and ineptitude.
jlc1
March 11, 2023 at 03:23 pm
Um that Niners game? The offense outscored the SF offense. It was not pretty but they did. Special teams lost that game. "You can take that to the bank."
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 02:44 pm
"About his "tantrum in Dallas" - Every frickin' QB in the league throws tantrums (or worse) on a regular basis. Do you really mean to say you never saw Brady scream at a teammate, or smash a tablet, or throw a headset or call his own play? Really??
This is not wrong; what you're ignoring is that Rodgers yelled at HIS COACH. Ever see Brady do that to Belicheck or Ariens? Ever see any other pro quarterback ever get in his coach's face like that? No? Didn't think so. Because it's unprofessional. It also showed everyone exactly how little Rodgers respects LaFleur.
As in any business - if you have a problem with your boss, you discuss it behind closed doors, not in the middle of the office. And vice versa.
Rodgers isn't the devil, no, but he doesn't seem to be much of a team player anymore. When I was a manager, employees like Rodgers seems to be were the first to be laid off. Always.
croatpackfan
March 11, 2023 at 12:51 pm
Many of you who justify ACR behavior forget one important thing.
Packers and ACR has contract which should clearly state what is obligations and rights of each party. I have no doubt that legaly you can ask from each party to fulfill their contractual obligations in the best way they can. I'm also sure that in that and all other contracts is clearly stated position of each party on specific structure of organization and additional bonuses if they were agreed.
Insisting to get rights on some activities w/o any responsibility for the results of those activities is not under contract. If we are talking about changing the play calls on the line, we have evidence that he was allowed to do it from his superior (MLF) and for failing in results that not goes on ACR, but on his superior. Bitching about composition of the roster or demanding old, washed players to be added to team is not in the description of QB job, hence not in contract. But, obviously he got that rights from upper management.
Now we comes to one thing that he did not get permission to decide or chose. He was intentionaly avoiding usahe of some players which were on field as he do not have trust in them. He is not allowed to do that. That is also very known fact that all of the players he will "use" during the game need to get his trust. That is not in his contract or in the contract of other players. Neither is the right to chose who will be on the field or not. Clearly that was breaking agreed contractual conditions. Or not respecting signed contract.
Another part of the contract, I'm sure in that, is that he had to come to TC and other obligated teams activities in certain physical condition. We heard reports that he was not prepared well for this, last season. Because, usage of drugs (ayahuasca, for example, not medicine drugs) can affect long term capabilities, physical or mental. Another non respect taken obligation.
I'm not going into Covid discussion. If modern medicine is just lie, why you, who thinks that goes to physican to heal you. Go to Rogan, or to medicine man in South America and let either of them heal you. Why you are using pain killers when they are toxins. Why he did not go to Rogan to fix him both broken clavicula.
He was clearly asked if he is vaccinated and he mumbled: "yeah, I'm immunized!" If he was immunized, how he even get that Covid infection? He lied about his status. I'm sure it is not allowed by contract to lie about your health status.
So, there is lot of activity performed by ACR that are on the contrary to contract he signed under the lawfully clear state of his mind.
I will not go to his public antics and demanding respect. If you do not show respect to others do not expect others will show you any respect.
Of course, if any of you feels that he has right to do whatever he wants because he has talent to throw the football, it tells much more about you than about him.
Since'61
March 11, 2023 at 12:59 pm
Cookie for marpag1! Thanks, Since '61
jlc1
March 11, 2023 at 03:24 pm
Double cookie!
CheesedDeadHead
March 11, 2023 at 11:03 am
I think all the reports that say a deal has been reached and it's in Rodgers hands are correct. Nobody let's another team talk to their MVP QB about a trade if they didn't set clear parameters for compensation first. If the Packers weren't getting what they wanted they would have already been in contact with other teams and if some of the crazy deals proposed like a Jets 2023 4th round and a conditional 2024 were even close to being true, do you think a Mark Davis owned Raiders wouldn't be in the discussions at that price tag?
I disagree with the part of the narrative that it's whether Rodgers wants to play this year. I think the Jets want a 2 year commitment and that is what Rodgers needs to entertain/decide on. I don't see him retiring this year no matter what the situation.
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 11:08 am
Rodgers' dilemma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaE6toi4mk
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 11, 2023 at 11:51 am
Love it Jurp!
pantz_bURp
March 11, 2023 at 11:37 am
somewhere in VA as the fog settles into the valley:
Elizabeth:
Good night, John Boy.
John-Boy:
Good night, Elizabeth. Good night, Daddy.
John:
Good night, Son. Good night, Mary Ellen.
Mary Ellen:
Good night, Daddy. Good night, Mama.
Olivia:
Good night, Mary Ellen. Good night, Jim Bob.
Jim Bob:
Good night, Mama. Good night, Erin.
Erin:
Good night, Jim Bob. Good night, Ben.
Ben:
Good night, Erin. Good night, everybody.
Me:
Good night, mushroom boy....sorry you have to leave...
stockholder
March 11, 2023 at 12:02 pm
Trading Rodgers for personal beliefs is idiotic!
And yes Murphy and Gutey are idiots!
Not because of the cash involved.
Because Rodgers played with a bad OL,
3 Rookie WRs, and a Broken Thumb.
Rodgers sets his own Bar.
And sure he changes MLFs plays.
But MLF isn't going to get that with Love.
If you want to keep making comparisons.
Nobody is better than Rodgers when Right!
He had to keep up the suggestion of trade.
For his Friends. (His Ransom for playing. )
The Winning edge. A Window idiots want closed!
They gave him input at the time. It's Time.
But for who. We don't matter. Love is a pawn.
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 12:44 pm
"Trading Rodgers for personal beliefs is idiotic!"
I thought we were trading him for draft choices... But seriously, had you been paying attention over the past, oh, three years, you would know why we're trying to trade Rodgers. It ain't for "personal beliefs", however you define that.
"And yes Murphy and Gutey are idiots!
Not because of the cash involved.
Because Rodgers played with a bad OL,
3 Rookie WRs, and a Broken Thumb."
So, to edit this: "Murphy and Gutey are idiots because Rodgers played with a bad OL, 3 Rookie WRs, and a Broken Thumb" So much wrong here... The OL was sub-par possibly because of poor coaching and partly due to slower recovery from injury than expected/hoped for by Bahk and Jenkins. We may have played with three rookie WR, but AR utilized only 2 of them because Scooter didn't give Toure many snaps. And AR played with a broken thumb apparently because he wanted to (demanded to?). Love should've started at least four of those games. Had he, we might've won a couple of them and made the playoffs. This could be on AR, Scooter, or the medical staff. We'll probably never know. Gutekunst had nothing to do with that BECAUSE THE COACHING STAFF REPORTS TO MURPHY.
"Rodgers sets his own Bar.'
I set my own bar, too - it's in my basement.
"If you want to keep making comparisons.
Nobody is better than Rodgers when Right!"
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Tom Brady, and others would like to disagree with you.
"He had to keep up the suggestion of trade.
For his Friends. (His Ransom for playing. )
The Winning edge. A Window idiots want closed!
They gave him input at the time. It's Time.
But for who. We don't matter. Love is a pawn."
Whatever. The new Bonkers Scale won't arrive until Wednesday, but I'd eyeball this at a 4 or 5.
croatpackfan
March 11, 2023 at 12:57 pm
jurp "Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Tom Brady, and others would like to disagree with you"
Joe Barrow, Herbert, Hurts and others. I would add Love, based on comparison him to ACR vs Eagles!
jannesbjornson
March 11, 2023 at 01:07 pm
The Peasants always defend the Monarchy, especially this sludge pool of nepotism playing checkers in Curly's Pub.
dobber
March 11, 2023 at 01:33 pm
"Because Rodgers played with a bad OL"
The Packers surrendered 32 sacks in 2022...that's 7th fewest.
The pressure rate per dropback was 9th lowest at 17.8%.
Packers QBs were pressured 39 times (7th fewest), and hurried 37 times (9th fewest).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/advanced.htm
Oppy
March 11, 2023 at 03:17 pm
Whatever it is, it's always someone other than Rodgers' fault.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 11, 2023 at 12:04 pm
I still think he ultimately decides he doesn't want to play for anyone besides Green Bay and just retires.
Swisch
March 11, 2023 at 01:24 pm
Better than him continuing to play for the Packers.
pantz_bURp
March 11, 2023 at 12:07 pm
A snappy little tune by James called "Laid"
This bed is on fire
With passionate love
The neighbours complain about the noises above
______________________________________
My therapist said not to see you no more
She said you’re like a disease without any cure
She said I’m so obsessed that I’m becoming a bore, oh no
Ah, you think you’re so pretty
Caught your hand inside the till
Slammed your fingers in the door
Fought with kitchen knives and skewers
Dressed me up in women’s clothes
Messed around with gender roles
Dye my eyes and call me pretty
Moved out of the house, so you moved next door
I locked you out, you cut a hole in the wall
I found you sleeping next to me, I thought I was alone
You’re driving me crazy, when are you coming home
* the relationship with #12 and the Packers will come to an end....right? It has to at some point. I want my Packers and my life back!!! 😁✌️🙏
Bitternotsour
March 11, 2023 at 12:39 pm
anyone remember Joe Namath. Aaron Rodgers would have the NY media eating out of his hand. It would be the greatest possible place for him to complete his career, a wonderful place for a single, rich athlete to live and work. he would be the king of NY.
Since'61
March 11, 2023 at 01:25 pm
Bitternot sour, Only if the Jets win. Besides in NY he will be one of many big fish in the largest media ocean on the planet.
He would need to win the SB every season he plays in NYC to take over the city and that won't happen.
If he comes to play in NY the media and the fans will treat every game like a playoff game at least. Every move and comment that he makes on and off the field will be scrutinized ridiculously. IMO at his age and at this stage of his career he doesn't need any of it. But it's his decision and he's a big boy.
No doubt the Jets and their fans will welcome him with open arms if he decides to come but coming to play here is one thing. Succeeding and dealing with the relentless media is another. And it won't just be the sports media. It will be the society pages, the TV talk shows, the radio shows and on and on.
In Green Bay Rodgers is the biggest fish in the small pond and he may prefer it that way. He owns Green Bay and I expect most of Wisconsin. If he is smart and he wants to continue to play in the NFL he will remain with the Packers. If he is even as smart as he thinks he is he will walk away and retire with his health intact which is the best thing for him to do for himself.
Until he makes a decision it's tick, tick, tick, Thanks, Since '61
jurp
March 11, 2023 at 02:56 pm
There's actually no guarantee that he'll continue to play if he returns to GB. If Love is as ready as the FO says he is, there may well be an open competition at QB. If there IS a competition, then Rodgers will have to show up for all off-season activities AND play in the preseason. We all know how much he hates doing that. If Rodgers does indeed lose a competition - or is told he will not be the starter - then I suspect he would do as Starr and Nitschke did and retire before the end of TC.
The team may (or may not!) have already told him this.
Bitternotsour
March 11, 2023 at 04:24 pm
in ny he's the biggest fish in a big pond. do you see a guy who doesn't embrace his role in the media circus? aaron rodgers is not some aw shucks country bumpkin. he dates a-list actresses. he's a tv celeb. he loves his celebrity. check out his entourage annually at the KY Derby.
what do you suppose his NY zip code will do for his endorsements? jeez. NY is a match made in heaven for his ego, and his good buddy is the damn offensive coordinator. if he plays, he will be a perfect match for that town, it's the greatest final curtain a star could ask for.
Since'61
March 11, 2023 at 04:49 pm
I've lived here either in NYC or the NYC area all my life. I know what it could mean for Rodgers. But it's only if he wins. I've seen hundreds of players come and go through here. Many become mere footnotes it that when they fail. The winners become the stuff of legends because they can deal with the pressure and the scrutiny.
Coming here is one thing, dealing with it and succeeding is quite another. That's all Im saying. Thanks, Since '61
Bitternotsour
March 11, 2023 at 07:27 pm
I lived there for 20 plus years, WFAN came into existence in my first few years. I honestly can't remember anyone being "run out of town" by the media. yeah, some guys got killed a bit, but it's a 24 hour news cycle and there's always something new to latch onto.
aside from favre showing off his four inches of glory, i honestly don't remember much of his coverage at all. (the pun is intended)
Oppy
March 12, 2023 at 06:23 am
Keep in mind, if my math is right, I suspect that SInce '61 has been living in the NY area for roughly 70 years, give or take a few.
Since'61
March 12, 2023 at 09:35 am
Oppy - yes, give or take a few. The great thing about NYC and the surrounding area is that it never gets old here. Plus family and friends are mostly all here. Thanks, Since '61
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 06:03 pm
As I read the tea leaves now, any actual return at this point would be disastrous. The atmosphere would be tense enough to need a knife to cut through it and trust on both sides would be utterly lacking.
I see no way that that would work for the team or coaching staffs except disastrously. The idea of an unhappy Favre benched was unpalatable: Rodgers strikes me as being potentially much worse. The idea that he’s here but not starting is just not going to fly.
I think the only thing they could do would be to cut him with a post June 2 designation (that can be done any time for a cut) for cap reasons and get nothing in return. Rodgers is free, gets a payout, can do whatever he likes. I just don’t see any other outcome if he returns now. Then the recriminations start and rightly.
BirdDogUni
March 11, 2023 at 07:45 pm
Murphy saying what he said in that short interview was about the stupidest thing he could've said. Either he is an idiot, or he's losing it, much like TT did, although TT tried not to say anything near the end...
I don't think it was a slip either. I think Murphy meant it exactly as he said it.
That is much akin to waving a red cloth in front of a bull's face...
beerandbrats
March 11, 2023 at 05:29 pm
I'd actually like to see AR12 go to Vegas. What's not to like about the adult entertainment capital of America? And it's only a couple of hours away from his Malibu home! And no state income tax! Seriously though, I think he'd be able to set most of the passing records by playing in a climate controlled dome for a couple of years with Davante Adams.
I became a Rodgers fan in that playoff game at Atlanta (in a dome). I thought that playoff game on the frozen tundra against the 49ers showed his physical limitations. NY isn't as cold as Green Bay but I'm not sure I want to play outdoors there as a veteran athlete.
Regardless of where he ends up, we'll still be talking about Aaron Rodgers 50 years from now because some of his throws were a thing of beauty!
Packerpasty
March 11, 2023 at 05:30 pm
Seems there may be a little "glitch" in the trade to the Jets process....
Coldworld
March 11, 2023 at 06:06 pm
Are you saying Rodgers is a little glitch?
Irish_Cheesehead
March 11, 2023 at 06:51 pm
Just checking in. Is he a Jet yet??