Cory's Corner: Mike McCarthy is now on notice

This is about coach Mike McCarthy. With Ted Thompson being reassigned in the organization and with defensive coordinator Dom Capers already out, the onus falls on McCarthy.  

The Packers made everyone turn heads on Monday.

An organization that has been satisfied with the status quo, decided that it was time for a change and for the first time in 13 years, the Packers will have a new general manager.

But this isn’t about how Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rodgers with his first pick in 2005 or how he assembled an offensive line with fourth round gems in David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang and JC Tretter. It’s also not about Thompson’s 125-82-1 record in 13 seasons which included a franchise record eight straight playoff appearances.

Nope, this is about coach Mike McCarthy. With Thompson being reassigned in the organization and with defensive coordinator Dom Capers already out, the onus falls on McCarthy.

When Thompson was given the general manager reins from Mike Sherman in 2005, Thompson also stripped Sherman of his head coaching duties.

Even if Mark Murphy goes inside the organization with Eliot Wolf, Brian Gutekunst, Alonzo Highsmith or Russ Ball, McCarthy’s job could still be tenuous. And if Murphy opts to bring Reggie McKenzie or John Schneider back, the new general manager will want to have his own head coach.

And that makes sense. If you’re in charge of an organization’s personnel, you’d like to have some autonomy in terms of how they’re coached.

This was an uncharacteristically bitter year for McCarthy. Obviously his future Hall of Fame quarterback was lost early in the season, but the arrogance in his own coaching combined with his unwillingness to change ultimately doomed this team. And come to think of it, isn’t that what cost Capers his job? He was guilty of not changing and adapting with a unit that lacked explosion and was getting exposed on a nearly weekly basis.

Moving Thompson out of the general manager’s chair is good for the organization. It tells the rest of the team that average isn’t tolerated and it’s not above making changes to continue a winning tradition.

In addition to Capers, defensive line coach Mike Trgovac and inside linebackers coach Scott McCurley have been given pink slips. McCarthy had Shawn Slocum replaced him with Ron Zook, but the special teams haven’t gotten better. Also McCarthy orchestrated the complete reorganization of the offensive coaching staff, including moving running back Edgar Bennett to wide receivers coach in 2011. Two impressive assistant coaches that left were Tom Clements so he could “move on to other interests,” and Kevin Greene to spend more time with family.

Not to mention that McCarthy has been overly cantankerous this year. He has had trouble answering tough, but fair questions and has even been so arrogant to answer, “I’m a highly successful football coach.” Things got even worse following the 35-11 loss at Detroit on Sunday when he dropped a four-letter word when asked if the team was demoralized in Hundley’s poor play.

The last person that wants McCarthy to leave though is Rodgers. He doesn’t want a new coaching regime at 34.

But this team needed a shot in the arm. It needed a sense of urgency and it needed to let other aspects of the franchise know that it was holding each other accountable. McCarthy is unlikely to get fired this year, but with the Packers going 0-6 vs. playoff teams, he has more questions to answer.

McCarthy’s seat just got a lot warmer with Thompson changing jobs. He doesn’t just have to produce, but he must also bury his argumentative media sessions. That’s easy to do when you’re winning, but it’s just another reason to fire you when things aren’t going so well.

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Daren726's picture

January 02, 2018 at 06:27 am

MMhas a lot more to worry about than many may think. I agree that any new GM is going to want his own coach. MM may get a year to make it happen if it's an in house GM candidate that's chosen, but an external one may just cut him loose. We should know more in the next few days.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:03 am

I think the only way MM doesn't get an extension before FA starts is if an external GM is hired. Unless that GM fires him right away and brings in his own guy, I think he still gets extended. A lame-duck coach will hamper any GMs ability to sign players on the open market and make it hard to bring in quality assistants. I just don't see a GM shooting himself in the foot that way.

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Dzehren's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:09 am

Good point. That's why the Bears extended Ryan Pace, to get a coaching staff and free agents on board. Extend MM to 2020 and fire him at the end of next season if major progress is not seen in all 3 phases of the game.

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Dzehren's picture

January 02, 2018 at 01:12 pm

MM extended to 2019

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NickPerry's picture

January 02, 2018 at 06:30 am

"Moving Thompson out of the general manager’s chair is good for the organization. It tells the rest of the team that average isn’t tolerated and it’s not above making changes to continue a winning tradition."

I'd venture to sat Thompson was moved out of the GM position because of all the failed draft choices, the many picks of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, AND his reluctance to use Free Agency as the tool it can be in assembling a SB team. Ted had a HUGE advantage with a guy named Rodgers. At the end of the day NFC North Championships don't mean squat, not really.

McCarthy deserves to be where he is right now and he IS on a hot seat. If the Packers name someone in house (Wolf, Gutekunst, Highsmith, or Ball) I'd imagine McCarthy will be given 2018. If somehow they were to bring in Schneider or McKenzie I'd imagine McCarthy would be gone. No matter what change is happening and I applaud Mark Murphy for it. I really wondered if he had it in him and he did.

THANK GOD Murphy at least could see the writing on the wall. One SB appearance when Rodgers was 27 and nothing since. Get it together McCarthy and quit drinking your own Kool-Aid. NFC North titles won't cut it anymore and neither will your attitudes at the podium. One and done in the playoffs won't cut it anymore either. The Time is NOW!!!

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fthisJack's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:06 am

i think his time has passed. say goodbye to him and go with a fresh mind and attitude.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:29 am

"I'd venture to sat Thompson was moved out of the GM position because of all the failed draft choices, the many picks of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, AND his reluctance to use Free Agency as the tool it can be in assembling a SB team. "

I said something similar below. In his first 5 drafts he had roughly 14 pro bowl caliber players that he drafted, also went out and got quality free agents. Since then he has had 6-8 Pro Bowl level of players (depending on opinions) and hasn't brought in the quality of players via FA. He brought in Peppers and Cook which were big moves. The moves this year never really panned out though. To be fair though we don't know how it would have turned out if Rodgers didn't get hurt. Bennett is likely still in GB and he and Kendricks like have a ton more production.

I think it is a good time to make a change, lets just hope the change that is made is the right one!

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:08 am

"In his first 5 drafts he had roughly 14 pro bowl caliber players....Since then he has had 6-8 Pro Bowl level of players"

When did fan voting become part of Pro Bowl selections? What is the impact of that?

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:25 am

I'm not sure.
To be honest though some of the Packers should have been pro bowl players.

Bakhtiari should have been a pro bowler without a doubt.
Daniels, Clark, Martinez all should have been in the discussion, and top alternates at the very least.

Also - When I say 6-8, I'm talking about players that are at that level of play. Not necessarily meaning they have been to a pro bowl.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:44 am

True...but the changes have made the Pro Bowl and what it means to play at a Pro Bowl level murky. I agree on Bakhtiari: he deserves the recognition. I don't think any of these guys are household names, though, and that hurts them...that, and playing on a crappy-ass defense.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:57 am

Which is why when I say they are a pro bowl caliber player, I am just saying they are one of the better players in the league.

I agree that playing on a bad defense hurt those 3 guys. But as individuals they are 3 really good players that could be considered in the upper echelon of the league.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:07 am

At this point, RC, I would like to say that you're one of my favorite people here to discuss topics with. It's always a discussion. It's never personal. Cheers, friend!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:47 am

Same here Dobber!

That's what I come here for is to have discussions about what we love.

Always great talking with you Dobber!

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Bearmeat's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:56 am

Agreed with Dobber, RC. I always make sure to read the comments from you, NP, Dobber, Oppy, 61 and Hank. There are others too.... those were the names that just occurred off the top o my head.

And to accuse you of believing in Packer fairies and unicorns. Let's not forget that. :D

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:02 am

Don't forget the homermade Kool-aid that I drink. ;)

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:34 am

OHHH, YEAAAAAHHH!!!

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:36 am

Thanks, BM. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back, but I feel like the posting group here is knowledgeable, mostly open-minded, and respectful. It's a great combination for fans to come and get info.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:42 am

Except for BM... His aluminum foil hat sometimes gets in the way of being open minded. :)

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January 02, 2018 at 05:09 pm

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William Brauer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 02:24 pm

It should be pointed out that neither Messrs. Schneider nor McKenzie have been wildly successful. The 2017 season was a major disappointment to their teams. Dorsey may have been the best of the bunch. I'd say the best option is to stay internal on the GM

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fastmoving's picture

January 02, 2018 at 06:40 am

first of all...the “I’m a highly successful football coach.” speach, if I recalled it correctly, was from 2016, as the Pack and AR played really bad. just before the "think we can run the table" comment from AR.....
but the most important fact is........how high are the chances that the next GM beat Thompson’s 125-82-1 record in 13 seasons????

half a procent........if we are lucky!

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Houndog's picture

January 02, 2018 at 06:59 am

You're right fastmoving,
Thompson's record is something to be applauded, but some might think that two guys named Favre and Rodgers had something to do with that.
Favre was there when Thompson arrived and Rodgers fell into his lap, so let's not try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
That record could have included another Superbowl (or two) had Thompson used all the resources available to him, and he chose not to.
I credit Murphy for his action and absence of hesitation, I didn't believe he had it in him, and I was wrong.
But this isn't over, decisions need to be made soon to preserve what we have left.
This is no vote of confidence in MM, but he will not have an easy time replacing Capers with his own ass on the hot seat, and that needs to get resolved before some or all of the good candidates are gone.
Murphy needs to keep this train moving, and the rumors of restructuring the front office personnel might be a good thing for continuity, but if that's where it's going it needs to get done.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:13 am

"This is no vote of confidence in MM, but he will not have an easy time replacing Capers with his own ass on the hot seat, and that needs to get resolved before some or all of the good candidates are gone."

I think people lose track of the fact that even though many here are MM detractors he's well-respected and well-liked in the coaching fraternity. Some might worry about job security, but you're only as secure as your last game in the coaching ranks. Someone will jump at this job...the question is, will it be his first choice?

As others here say: even an average defense will make the Packers SB contenders in 2018 (I don't necessarily think that's 100% true). The new DC will be under fire right away to produce results, and the new GM will be under fire right away to give him the pieces to do it. I think that's a bigger deterrent than MMs potential status.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:21 am

For a GM (who isn't an owner living some wild fantasy) to last as long at TT did--for whatever reasons--is all but unheard of.

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gary g's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:02 am

If the new gym had the talent that TT had at QB, they would have a chance for alot more then 2 SB'S.

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gary g's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:02 am

If the new gym had the talent that TT had at QB, they would have a chance for alot more then 2 SB'S.

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Oppy's picture

January 03, 2018 at 11:26 pm

Only 12 QB's have ever won more than one superbowl.

There's 26 modern-era QB's in the HOF

Only 3 of them have won more than 2 superbowls

To conclude...

Sh*t ain't that easy, son

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2018 at 06:47 am

I think we are all getting caught up in the excitement of change. I think there is a very good chance that this is planned succession not a coup led by a newly assertive Murphy.

One factor that will impact my view of new GM is the treatment of the back-up QB position over the off season. A good GM is there in part to counter couches emotional investment in players when shaping the roster. If. MM is really so bedazzled by Hundley, the next GM will need to either help him see sense or force him too by recruitment or cutting.

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The TKstinator's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:51 am

My sister used to bedazzle her jean jacket.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:15 am

I agree. The fact that TT is moving within the organization and not leaving says...
1. he's ready to not be a GM anymore. No matter what we say about TT and what he's done with the Packers, there are probably 10+ teams that would love to have him as their GM. He could have another gig if he wanted it.
2. the split was amicable and likely something that's been in the works for some time.

It could be that Murphy went to TT and said that the time is now, not June, but TT had to agree with it to some extent for this kind of resolution to occur.

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:53 am

Thumbs up for the use of "bedazzled".

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The TKstinator's picture

January 02, 2018 at 02:13 pm

Eggs
Act
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Savage57's picture

January 02, 2018 at 06:47 am

"In addition to Capers, defensive line coach Mike Trgovac and inside linebackers coach Scott McCurley have been given pink slips."

This puzzles me. The position coaches of the two most effective units get the axe, while the coaches for the screaming liabilities are retained.

I want to be upset and surprised by this, but I'm not.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:46 am

I get what you are saying.

But to be fair, look at the quality of players each group has had.

Trgovac has Kenny Clark and Daniels to work with. Both of whom could have been in talks for pro bowls. Both players played all season. Also he had Lowry, Dial in there all season.

Whitt has had King, Randall, House. None of which played all 16 games. He has been stuck with Hawkins and Pipkins and whoever else. The quality of players was a lot greater at DL then CB.

I don't think you can simply look at the players each position group has and determine how good the position coach is by that.

I saw on Twitter last night Charles Woodson was really praising Whitt. I would take Woodson's word in knowing a good coach.

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The TKstinator's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:52 am

Whitt has long been held in high regard.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:17 am

I hear he'll only get 6-8 months with good behavior.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:31 pm

"Trgovac has Kenny Clark and Daniels to work with." - don't you think he had something to do with developing Clark and Daniels?

"The quality of players was a lot greater at DL then CB." - I'd say that is debatable at best. King and Randall are 1st round draft picks. Rollins was a 2nd round draft pick. House was a 4th rounder (as was Daniels).

I have no clue about playing or coaching CBs in the NFL. But what I am seeing is that Packers CBs are playing with horrendous technique. When they are up and supposed to press, they back off immediately a step and open their hips to the wrong side. They never even try to get their hands on the WR to redirect them. In zone, there is always confusion who is covering who. Now the Capers scheme is certainly complicated, but nobody can tell me that this is all Capers fault. he may be coaching and teaching the scheme, but fundamentals like pressing man, tackling, etc is on the position coach. And in that regard, Whitt has not done a good job. Whitt also said that Casey Hayward was strictly a slot CB in the NFL. Well, look at what he did this season on the outside. Pro bowler. and that was legit, i saw a few Chargers games and he was playing great. that's all i need to know...

And do you really think someone like Woodson would come out and bash any of his former coaches? I've never heard of him bashing anybody... He is a class act. Now maybe he really has a high opinion of Whitt, but then again, why was the secondary and the CB play horrendous this season? Even when the top CBs played?

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JDK52's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:02 am

A new DC will typically hire their own position coaches. This isn't an indictment of their coaching ability, but more likely an indication that they either didn't fit with the new DC's plans or wanted out for their own reasons.

Unlikely we ever get the whole story, though.

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GBPDAN1's picture

January 02, 2018 at 06:56 am

I'm good with keeping MM as HC for another year. To much turn over at one time could be problematic. Removing TT and DC at the same time is enough for now. Like you have mentioned, AR probably doesn't want to start all over with a new HC / offense.

That being said, I'm glad MM is now on notice. He needs to step up like everyone else.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:24 am

Favre had to weather three HC changes, and recall that MM led to a renaissance for him. Who's to say that a new coach wouldn't focus #12 even further and bring out the best in him?

I'll say this: if ARod is deciding whether or not MM stays or goes, then he's got too much say in how the organization is being run.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:32 am

Some good coaches are available too. Who wouldn't want to coach Aaron Rodgers team. I would love to see a defensive minded coach this time. With Rodgers you don't need a mastermind offense head coach. Good OC play caller with Rodgers does a lot of on the field stuff.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:40 am

A friend of mine and I were talking the other day and his assertion was that we've entered an era of offensive football that all but requires that your HC or OC has to have intimate knowledge of the QB position. Those guys have to know specifically how to handle QBs, which argues that the best way to move up the coaching ladder is by being a QB coach.

It was an interesting take.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:08 am

I find it disheartening that McC wasn't also shown the door. And the coaching changes... - ok DomC had to go. but then the 2 position coaches of the defensive units who performed the best are fired, whereas the other position coaches are kept - especially OLB and DB coaches... wow. The O totally fell apart after #12 was injured. No changes there.
Let's see what comes out of it, but I think if either Winston Moss or Whitt will be DC next season then the D will be even worse than the past few years...
And this team desperately need an OC who doesn't only rely on #12 escapinga collapsing pocket, improvising, and throwing while on the run and outside the pocket...

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:26 am

Just because those two units were performing well doesn't mean that the assistants weren't subversive in some way. As I understand, both assistants were very loyal to Dom, which could contribute to why they were let go.

"I think if either Winston Moss or Whitt will be DC next season then the D will be even worse than the past few years..."

But I thought it couldn't possibly get any worse...

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:38 pm

"Just because those two units were performing well doesn't mean that the assistants weren't subversive in some way." - that may be, but at least they got their units to play better than the ones who may not have been subversive, or didn't they? Specifically Winston Moss, I am not sure what that guy has ever done for the Packers? The OLBs played best when Kevin Greene was there. Moss was and is assistant HC...
If you watch CB play, do you really think they play with sound fundamentals? And there are a bunch of high draft picks on that unit...

But that's alright, we shall see. Maybe I am wrong. But I don't think everything that went wrong on D can be solved by firing Dom and the 2 position coaches. And from all I've seen this year on D, I don't think Moss or Whitt are the answer either ...

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January 02, 2018 at 07:11 am

We can't ignore the reports that losing Dorsey, McKenzie, and Schneider during Thompson's tenure have cost the Packers' personnel Department, it might be some of what we've been seeing.
Furthermore, this "New GM" thing could possibly cost us some or all of the three young guys now listed as candidates to replace Thompson if other jobs become available.
Murphy needs to get this done, soon, and here's hoping he can find a way to make it work without losing too much.

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Savage57's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:16 am

I've speculated the same for a while now. You can't lose the football intelligence those three possessed without it leaving a mark.

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January 02, 2018 at 08:29 am

I suspect that there's been some discussion of this for some time with these assistants. They've been reorganized and reassigned a couple times to keep them in town. Apparently they like working together and this supposed 'new arrangement' might appease them for the time being, but they're going to want to show that they can be the man at some point.

Eventually, only one will remain (cue the '80s Christopher Lambert references).

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January 02, 2018 at 07:16 am

Talk about a bomb going off in GB yesterday.

I thought it was the best move to get rid of Capers. His defenses have become way to predictable. His players clearly were not on the same page as him calling the plays and there was way to much confusion. Also I really question whether he knew how to use the players he had. Perfect examples of that is Hayward, Hyde and Peppers. All of which went to a different team and improved. While I don't know exactly how Hayward is being used compared to when he was with GB, I know that Hyde and Peppers both are playing different positions and both have improved.
Which then leaves the question are the players on the roster now being used the way they should be? I'd say probably not.

The news of Thompson stepping aside to take another role however was really surprising to me. I said not long ago I expected him to go through this draft and let the next guy take over. It looks like the Packers don't want that to happen now. They want bigger changes made. Which can either be a good thing or not.
Lets not forget what Thompson has done for the team. When he first became GM he was left with a team that had cap issues, and a roster that was in bad shape. He was also the GM that drafted Favre's successor with his first draft. He also drafted Nick Collins with his 2nd pick. His first 2 picks as a GM were Hall of Fame caliber players. Then he brought in Woodson with whom no one else really wanted. Woodson left GB a completely different player/person then when he came to GB. He also drafted great players to get them to the super bowl. When he first came to GB he was a man on a mission and changed the culture here. In his first 5 drafts he really hit on the players that made a huge difference in changing the team around.
2005 - Rodgers, Collins
2006 - Hawk, Jennings, Johnny Jolly
2007 - James Jones, Bishop, Crosby
2008 - Nelson, Finley, Sitton, Flynn
2009 - Raji, Mathews, Lang

The problem with Thompson was since the Super Bowl his drafts haven't hit on as many big time players.
2011 - Cobb
2012 - Perry, Daniels
2013 - Bakhtiari
2014 - Clinton-Dix, Adams, Linsley
2015 - Randall
2016 - Clark, Martinez
2017 - ?

2005-2009 he had 14 pro bowl level players he drafted.
2011-2017 he has 6-8 pro bowl level of players.

And the fact that he hasn't mixed in veteran players to counter the lack of drafting since the Super Bowl has left the team with fewer play makers.
Now I do believe he had a good 2014 draft, and I think he has found good players in each of the last 3 drafts. It simply wasn't enough.

Hopefully the New GM will get a key veteran player to come in and help make a difference and find at least 1 stud rookie. That will go a long ways in changing what is going to happen this next year in GB.

its going to be interesting to see what happens in the next few days up in GB.

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January 02, 2018 at 08:00 am

2005-2009 the Packers were picking at 24, 5, 16, 36, and 9
2010-2017 the Packers were picking at 23, 32, 28, 26, 21, 30, 27, 33

Maybe the years that TT picked at 5, 16, and 9 he took better players than at 21, 23, and 26 because they were available.

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January 02, 2018 at 08:16 am

Same thoughts here

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January 02, 2018 at 08:20 am

Fair Argument.

2005 - pick 24 - Rodgers
2006 - pick 5 - AJ Hawk
2007 - pick 16 - Justin Harrell
2008 - pick 36 - Jordy Nelson
2009 - pick 9 - BJ Raji, Traded up to 26 to take Clay Mathews

Honestly his highest picks outside of Raji, he didn't hit on. Some will argue about Hawk.

2010 - (23) Bulaga good pick. (Dez Bryant next pick)
2011 - (32) Sherrod, (not many great players right after)
2012 - (28) Perry (Next pick Harrison Smith)
2013 - (26) Datone Jones, (DeAndre Hopkins picked next, Travis Frederick a few picks later)
2014 - (21) Clinton-Dix good pick.
2015 - (30) Randall good pick.
2016 - (27) Clark (possibly Thompson's best pick since Mathews.)
2017 - (33) Kevin King. To be determined.

Honestly, I would argue that Thompons picks at 21, 23 and 26 were better then his picks at 5,16 and 9. At the very least its on the same level.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

January 04, 2018 at 01:41 pm

Patriots pick 30_32 every year so dont give me that crappy excuse of low draft picks...Patriots proably going again to super bowl! !!

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January 02, 2018 at 09:42 am

TT has done great things for this team thus why he lasted 13 years. Nobody is questioning that but the personal that has been on the field lately isn't not good enough. Example passing on TJ Watt when pass rusher had to be our biggest need. TT has missed more on draft picks then hits lately, with his draft only mind that can't happen. You need to draft and fill in the holes with vets. If you won't sign vets then you live and die by the draft.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:03 am

While I really wanted TJ Watt, its way to soon to say whether he made the right or wrong decision on it. He got 2 players for the price of 1.

If King and Biegel turn out to be really good players, we really can't complain about the decision.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:43 am

I guess the question is: if TJ Watt continues on his trajectory and doesn't take a serious injury or flame out, how good do King and Biegel need to be in order for it to be even? If King and Biegel are quality starters, but not Pro Bowlers, can they ever really not be overshadowed by Watt?

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January 03, 2018 at 11:24 am

TJ Watt in 2017: 7 sacks
CM3: 8.5
Perry: 7

Hmmm.....

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January 03, 2018 at 11:29 am

Year 1 went to Watt and PIT, no doubt. But remember, after Davante Adams and Allen Robinson's second year, we were all screaming bloody murder at TT.

That choice has looked pretty good the past year hasn't it?

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January 02, 2018 at 07:23 am

I am continually amazed that people prefer attempting to put together a one shot season at the Super Bowl instead of multiple years of winning seasons and playoff appearances. TT & MM constructed long term success, keeping our beloved Packers consistent winners over the years.

Of course, some people would prefer to be Denver and have an Elwayian leader, one who blows the future for a quixotic shot at the brass ring. Denver got their one championship, at the cost of becoming totally irrelevant for years afterwards.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:37 am

Based on how they comment here, some people seem to think that an up/down cycle of that sort is sustainable, and that selling or rebuilding now must lead to an up in the near future...to which I ask the question: how many NFL teams have never won an SB? They're still waiting for their up.

I'll always err on the side of the long-term success of the franchise, but history will define success by winning titles.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:05 am

Right. And while everyone has their faults, long-term success - at the expense of tweaking the roster for a title in one particular season - has been Ted's failing. Notice I did not say "going all in" or "selling your team's soul to Lucifer." This is what Elway did. And the Broncos will be bad for years. He will be fired within 2 years I'd bet.

Ted SHOULD have done multiple things over the past 10 years to tweak the roster enough to get over the hump. He did not do so, and it is not wrong to call him out on it.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:46 am

If you want the responsibility of running a team, you've got to be willing to take the lumps. The buck stops with you. You point out Elway, and I wonder what kinds of moves he's going to make this off-season. He doesn't seem to have much patience, and he's got no QB (Lynch is the closest they've got). Vance Joseph survived Black Monday 2018, but I bet he doesn't make it through Black Monday 2019.

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January 03, 2018 at 11:30 am

I agree on all fronts. And yet, if GB doens't win at least 1 more title before ARod is gone, I'd say that Elway pushing all his chips to the center of the table was the right thing to do - even if it gets him fired.

1 Lombardi is better than 0. Even if the 0 team has a higher winning percentage over that same time.

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 12:42 pm

...Ted SHOULD have done multiple things over the past 10 years to tweak the roster enough to get over the hump. He did not do so, and it is not wrong to call him out on it...

Good bottom-line assessment.

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GVPacker's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:39 am

Is there any doubt among us that Elliot Wolf is going to be the new GM?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:18 am

I think Alonso has better chances...

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:33 am

I think Wolf will end up being the guy calling the shots. How they reorganize the others without creating a keystone-cops management nightmare will be interesting. I think Russ Ball is a key guy to keep, too (you've got to have a good cap guy), but I think he has an uphill climb to becoming a GM somewhere else.

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January 02, 2018 at 08:53 am

Yes.
There is doubt.

Brian Gutekunst is a highly thought of GM candidate. He was supposed to be the next guy in San Fransisco before removing his name according to Aaron Nagler.

Russ Ball is another guy thought to be a possible candidate.

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:22 am

...Brian Gutekunst is a highly thought of GM candidate...

Totally agree. I think the potential loss of Gutekunst is the precipitating factor is this whole GM move.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:03 am

It will be really interesting to see who is the next GM and what happens to the other guys.

I see that Alonzo Highsmith is now going to interview with the Browns for a position.

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January 02, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Gutekunst is a candidate in Houston this year.

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Barnacle's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:44 am

If an internal GM has the gonads to replace MM, That would be my choice. Please do NOT allow MM to have any input in selecting the next DC. Any coach stupid enough to keep Slocum for several years does not have a clue.

MM was lucky to have QBs that controlled the offense for all of his tenure. He did nothing to enhance STs or the defense. He is delusional and deserves to be replaced.

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Packer_Fan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 07:59 am

Well, people got the New Years wish many wanted. Remove Capers and TT. I think it is good. Coaches and GM's get stale. And the same is here. There will be alot of holes to fill in the off season. Good choices with Adams and Lindsey. I think they should go outside the organization to replace Capers. May be too many bad feelings and experiences with the coaches there.

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cuervo's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:00 am

"The last person that wants McCarthy to leave though is Rodgers. He doesn’t want a new coaching regime at 34."

That's pure speculation by the writer. For all we know Rodgers may be tired of seeing a 3 reciever set with everyone running isolation routes with recievers that cannot get separation on their own, which cause Rodgers to have to run around for 7-10 seconds until he can finally throw someone open.

Rodgers may actually want a new offensive scheme that actually uses formations and routes that cause recievers to get open instead of relying on an all world QB to make the offense look acceptable.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:23 am

Can you, please, share more insight what Aaron Rodgers thinks and feels. You are obviously intimate with him when you call speculation what Cory wrote. But, you know (as we all) that Aaron is tired of seeing 3 receiver set... Hmmm... Does that mean, for all we know, that Aaron Rodgers is tired of seeing football field and contenplating retiring... It is amazing...

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January 02, 2018 at 09:21 am

I have as much insight into what Rodgers thinks as the writer does...that's my point. To say Rodgers doesn't want a fresh approach is pure speculation...as is my take that he may actually embrace it.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:40 am

We all know that Rodgers makes adjustments and play calls at the line. He has every opportunity to move his WR around, split out a RB, move players in tight. While the 11 personnel package has gotten hit hard with posters in this group (including me), it's a package that has a lot of versatility in it with good pass-catching backs and a dual purpose TE and is pretty much the default across the NFL.

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:18 am

I agree Cuervo. Many things on this team have gotten stale. Rodgers is talented and creative and this offense is capable of so much more.

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January 02, 2018 at 09:29 am

When you watch what some other teams use to get recievers open and then watch what 90% of our routes consist of, it truly makes you wonder.

Look what the Ram's coach did in 1 year...he took a crap offense and turned it into one of the best in the NFL with a second year QB that was terrible last year and a rookie as the 3rd wide reciever .

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:19 am

Again, totally agree. Sean McVay is the perfect example.

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Handsback's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:04 am

I think its easier to get a good GM verses a good HC. I see a lot of retread coaches out there that might make people smile now, but when the season is over they will wish they still had MM.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:24 am

I think many here would like to get Rex Ryan. He would argue with them about football...

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January 02, 2018 at 02:48 pm

No !!!!!!!!!

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egbertsouse's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:40 am

I don’t want to pee in the soup here but I don’t see all the big changes that most others see. The Packers just don’t roll that way. I think that Murphy will fill the GM job from the inside as will MM with the DC job. What will happen is Ron Zook-The Sequel; movement but no real change. Instead of getting Ted and Dom, we’ll be getting Ted-lite and Dom-lite.

Now, if Murphy goes outside or fires MM, all bets are off.

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pacman's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:42 am

We don't know the details behind the firings other than someone had to take the fall for the:
defense going downhill
sticking with Hundley
letting too much talent walk and not bringing in enough FA's

TT and DC are retirement age. They were easy targets for a Murphy to shake things up on a team that clearly needed shaking. The sub coaches firings are a total mystery. How MM survived this house cleaning is a mystery. What does Murphy see in him that made him keep him while getting rid of so many other coaches?

Thank you TT but I'm not going overboard there. AR is probably the best, smartest qb in the league even if Brady has many more rings. Everyone was riding his coattails. TT only gets so much credit for the team record.

It's not about having a good record. That's for Cleveland. When you have AR, it's only about how many SB wins you have. It's about playing up to potential, not just playing well. For this reason (and Hundley, sorry - I can't get past that) I was for firing MM too.

I would be shocked if GM is not an internal pick that's already been decided. That's the only way MM is still here. But I would not be shocked if MM 'decides' to leave the next day. Not expecting it, but I would not be shocked.

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CAG123's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:48 am

Some of you have the franchise decision making abilities of whatever is going on in Cleveland. Yeah let’s just clean house “fire sale” “everything must go” of a successful HC what kind of message is being sent to the next HC? How much leeway does he get? I’m willing to bet if one is appointed and doesn’t succeed you’re all singing the same song next offseason. The ones that needed to go are gone MC deserves the chance to start over and adjust with a fresh defensive mind. Everyone keeps saying “we’ve had Rodgers and Favre we should have more titles” so I guess we forgot about BF terrible 05 (4-12) and 06 (8-8) seasons? The type of decisions some of you want made is the stuff losing franchises do.R-E-L-A-X

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:53 am

Remember that Lovie Smith was let go after a 10-6 season--one season after a new GM was brought in--for not doing enough (essentially, he couldn't consistently beat the Packers (snicker)). That roster was in decline, and the team had been up-and-down (in part due to bad QB play), too. Are there some potential parallels here? Hmmm....

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:23 am

Lovie Smith was a heck of a coach. The Bears set themselves back a decade with stupid GM moves. They still don't have a QB and they moved up to get him.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:08 am

There are not parallels between the early 10's Bears and the late 10's Packers.

1. ARod vs. Cutty. Nuff said.
2. That defense was the strength of that team. Personnel wise and coaching wise. Ours? Nuff said.
3. Their OL was BAAAAD. Ours? Nope. Not world beaters on the right side, but Spriggs aside, our QBs caused more sacks this year than our OL.

Now, there are parallels at the skill positions on offense. I don't however, think this is enough to make a correlation between the two situations.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:56 am

"When Thompson was given the general manager reins from Mike Sherman in 2005, Thompson also stripped Sherman of his head coaching duties."

As I recall, Sherman coached one year (2005) under TT. He went 4-12 that season and was fired afterward.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:10 am

Even if you put aside the myriad of injuries, aging roster and lack of talent that Sherman the GM provided for the 05 team, Mike Sherman also did everything he possibly could to undermine TT. From all reports, he was truculent, angry, and a gossip to other FO personnel and to the team. You can make a very good case that Sherm was the one who got BLF so angry at Ted in the first place.

Sherm absolutely deserved to be fired in January of 2006. Undermining your own operation and power structure is a fireable offense in any company.

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4zone's picture

January 02, 2018 at 08:58 am

I think Murphy already has his GM and is just working out contract terms. I sure hope the DC comes from outside though. That side really needs a stiff jolt. Won't know until new GM is up and rolling though.

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:29 am

Totally agree. I think that losing the potential successor to Thompson forced Murphy's hand and accelerated the plan. My guess is that the next GM is already in the house but was in risk of departing. Gutenkunst is my guess.

The firing of the defensive coordinator and staff also forced this issue. I doubt that they let MM run free on picking the next defense architect so the new GM was a needed move.

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marpag1's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:27 am

There are far too many variables here for us to really know what's going on, and why.

I've seen a number of reports already suggesting that TT was "unceremoniously shown the door." Uh, first of all, he WASN'T "shown the door" - he's still with the team. And secondly, I think it's entirely possibly that TT is fully on board with this. Lots of folks seem to think, "Oh, there is NO WAY that Ted would voluntarily take a demotion." I say, Bull crap. I don't claim to know TT's mind, but it's ENTIRELY possible IMO that Ted could be saying, "Look, I'm getting older, and I don't want to have this stress forever, and hey, I'm an old scout at heart anyway. So get some other guy to wear the suit and sit in the office, and just send me out to California and let me scout the PAC-12. Cuz y'all know perfectly well that scouting the PAC-12 is what I love to do anyway."

Even with the coaches... we don't know what's going on. Let's say that Packers already know that they want Whitt. (And let's face it, NO ONE EVER fires their current coach or coordinator without first asking, "But who do we want as a replacement?") But let's just say that they want Whitt. If Trgovac ruffled Whitt's feathers prior to today, then we could easily see why some of those guys could get fired. Or hey.. maybe they're just not very good coaches.

What I DON'T really see here is that "Mike McCarthy is now on notice." If they have serious doubts about McCarthy, they would have fired him, for crap sakes. For MM, this isn't anything more than being reminded that this is the NFL, and guys occasionally get fired. I think MM already knew that.

I think it is pretty much a mortal lock that the new GM is already in house, and MAYBE the next DC too. If Murphy and the committee were thinking about outside options, they probably would have let the new GM worry about which coaches should be fired or retained. But the fact is - at least I think the fact is - that they already know perfectly well who the next GM is, and they already know perfectly well that the next GM/defensive coordinator doesn't want Capers, Trgovac and the others.

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:11 am

Marpag, I can't like this post enough.

And on the hypothetical Whitt thing, if there's an internal candidate, it could be that management has agreed to do the dirty work ahead of his hiring...rather than making other assistants grovel for their jobs.

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January 02, 2018 at 09:44 am

I agree with you that there are far to many variables for any of us to know what is going on.

As far as Thompson stepping aside and staying with the organization, to me it shows they are going to promote from within. Having Thompson around will help mentor the new GM.
I think its going to come down to Wolf and Gutekunst. Just my feeling.

For the new DC. Perhaps, McCarthy has already had discussions with Whitt about the problems with the defense. We just don't know what has happened behind closed doors.

I agree and I don't think McCarthy is put on notice. Not this year anyways. Perhaps next year and years to come. But I think whoever the new GM will be, will have to have McCarthy for his first year at least.
I could be wrong, but if they were going to make a coaching move I think it would have happened already.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:12 am

I personally don't mind another GM from inside the FO. What I would very much like NOT to see is an internal DC replacement.

Our defense needs new ideas. New personnel. New everything. Not anything rehashed.

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marpag1's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:53 am

I could live with Wolf or Gutekunst. But I would be VERY suspect about Russ Ball. He's never been a talent scout. In the end, football is still about... y'know..... football, and Russ Ball is an administration/finance guy. I understand there is more than one way to skin a catfish, but we need the finance guy to advise the football guy, not the football guys to advise the finance guy.

Just say no to Russ Ball.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:35 am

I personally think they are going to go with Wolf or Gutekunst. Hearing that Gutekunst was the 49ers top guy, and now is one of the names that is supposed to interview with the Texans, one has to wonder if he is more highly thought of? Or is it a foregone conclusion that Wolf is the guy in GB?

I agree about the defense needs new ideas, new personnel.
But that doesn't mean the new ideas won't come from Whitt. We have no idea what style of defense he would like to run. Perhaps he has some new innovated ideas and thoughts on how to use the personnel they have better?

We see all the time when OC's of good offenses with good QB's go on to be a head coach elsewhere don't do well because they don't have the QB that made them good. Philbin and McAdoo are prime examples. Just because a coach does well with a good QB and offense doesn't mean they will be good on their own.
So why can't the same be true the other way? Just because an assistant coach is on a bad defense, doesn't meant they will be a bad coordinator. Sometimes they just need an opportunity. Sometimes as an assistant they are held back by the coordinator.

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January 02, 2018 at 12:12 pm

I'm hearing that BG has pulled his name out in GB and is headed to Houston, and AH is interviewing for the Brown assistant GM role today. If true, that leaves EW and Russ Ball - or an outsider. And if it's an outsider, is MM safe even this year?

May just be rumors....

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January 02, 2018 at 12:34 pm

But it illustrates how this hire could be the biggest thing for GB in the next two decades. Obviously, hiring a GM is a monstrously big deal one way or the other. But if everything you say turns out to be true, AND if the Packers hire Ball, then we can pretty well kiss Wolf goodbye right now as well. Why would he stick around? Then we've got a non-football guy in the GM chair.... and virtually no one who knows anything about talent evaluation. That's why I don't want Ball.

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Finwiz's picture

January 02, 2018 at 12:43 pm

Mike McCarthy has a contract extension thru 2019 - just announced.

If they knew for sure which of the 3 internal guys it was supposed to be, then why announce you are doing a thorough market search for a GM?
Wouldn't you think they would have announced their decision already?
They must have had plenty of time to reflect on this and make a decision.

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January 02, 2018 at 01:11 pm

I'm speculating as much as anyone here. But there is a very easy answer to your question.

You tell the whole world that you are going to do a throughout search because of the NFL's "Rooney Rule." The Rooney Rule requires that NFL teams interview minority candidates for all head coaching and high ranking front office jobs.

If you simply announce, "We've decided to hire our man, Mr. Jefferson Whitebread" ... you are going to hear about it from Jesse Jackson.

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Barnacle's picture

January 02, 2018 at 12:51 pm

Nobody worth their salt “needs McCarthy around”. He does not understand defense, special teams and maybe not managing a game time offense. Without Rodgers the packers team management is poor. MM can’t even come up with enough team improvement ideas to keep our players busy for a three hour practice during training camp.

MM should have been the first one shown the door.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:58 am

"If Murphy and the committee were thinking about outside options, they probably would have let the new GM worry about which coaches should be fired or retained."

Except that GM's don't hire the assistant coaches...the head coach does. Which begs the question, who fired Capers...was it Murphy or was it MM. My guess is Murphy had to tell MM that he was gone.

Everyone else seems top think that MM is safe, I wouldn't be so sure.

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January 03, 2018 at 05:00 am

I hope you are correct. MM without an MVP quarterback is an overstuffed delusional playground director. Take the guys bowling, we can fix pad levels some other time? MM is way over his head.

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Since'61's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:24 am

My take is that these moves have been planned for a while. Moving TT within the organization makes sense as it allows the Packers to keep his scouting talent within the organization. He can be a good resource for this organization for future drafts.
As for Capers this move was long overdue and the game has passed him by. This was evidenced by the consistently poor communications and confusion on the field.

Murphy knows that MM is the Packers best chance for maintaining continuity and returning the team to at least the playoffs for 2018. The team never quit on MM until the last game of the season and much of that was due to second and third string Packers playing against first string Lions.
Murphy also knows that 6 or 7 other teams are looking for HCs and MM would have a new job before he got out of the building at 1265 Lombardi Avenue.

I believe that one of the internal candidates will get the GM job with the understanding that MM gets 2018 and a full season with AR healthy for 16 games. This will probably result in a 2 year extension for MM with his understanding that he needs to return the Packers to the playoffs at least assuming AR makes it through the regular season.
As for the new DC the Packers need to go out side the organization IMO. They have made the correct moves so far. Now is not the time to Fxxx it up with a Capers holdover. Bring in an outsider and he can decide whether to keep the current Capers staff survivors.

We have had only 2 losing seasons during the TT administration 2008 (ARs 1st season as a starter) and 2017 (ARs injury) so I am appreciative and grateful for that but when I think about what could/should have been there will always be that feeling that TT never went all the way to get this team to another SB.

Time to aggressively move forward and embrace the future with whoever the new GM is. This off season will be an interesting ride if nothing else. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Spud Rapids's picture

January 02, 2018 at 09:44 am

What no one is talking about is TT might be stepping down due to health. I live in La Crosse and the local ESPN show the Sports Lead called it about 2-3 weeks ago. They had a Packers reporter saying that Ted would take a different position, more like head of scouting which is his true passion. I think the new GM is internal and this process has been in place for a while so no one is surprised at the top of the organization. I think McCarthy and company had decided to part with Capers for a while as well. If we get to keep TT's scouting but another GM steps in and gets more aggressive in free agency then we all win. People will harp on McCarthy for not firing Dom earlier but this year's group of candidates might be the deepest in recent history for DC. I think the Packers know exactly what they are doing in this succession plan.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:03 am

Spud - your point about TTs health is a good one and a legit possibility.
As for Capers you are again correct about the potential DC candidates. I just hope the Packers conduct as many interviews as possible and make a good solid choice for the Dc from outside the organization. Good post and Thanks, Since '61

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marpag1's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:53 am

Has any credible evidence ever been produced which would indicate that Thompson is in poor health? Honest question. I'm just asking because I have never heard anything like that. I just hear "people talking." And if that's all it is, then its "possible" TT is stepping down for health reasons in the same way that it's "possible" that TT is being forced out by the Chinese mafia.

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January 02, 2018 at 12:07 pm

There have been whispers about TT's health for years. No credible evidence or diagnosis of any medical issues that I know about. Just that TT seemed "off" somehow to some people that know him.

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Dzehren's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:28 am

Bob McGinn is reporting TT has health issues also... Alonzo Highsmith is interviewing with Cleveland's John Dorsey today. Sounds like Wolf, Gutekunst, or Ball (not a talent evalulator)

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dobber's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:56 am

I wonder if this means that Highsmith is the odd man out in this administrative juggling show or maybe that he's not happy with the arrangement that's in the works, in general.

Could be he's just listening, too.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:11 am

McGinn is reporting that the TT change was board driven, and that the new GM could hire a new coach. The evidence is all in on MM's system without Rodgers. Multiple years worth of data. It would be worse without a historic collapse by cowboys at home, and detroit not showing up for the last game at Lambeau one year.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:14 am

McGinn is also a bitter old man. He retired - but even before he did so, his articles got more and more anti-GB FO/coaching staff.

I get being independent. I applaud it. But when you NEVER have anything nice to say for YEARS? That's a GET-OFF-MY-LAWN writer. And it doesn't add anything to the discussion.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:27 am

McGinn's demise kinda made me sad.

He was the best.

Was.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:34 am

Yeah. It happens to everyone. Time is the one unchangeable constant. When you are young in your career, you're making rookie mistakes, but working really hard to get better. Then you hit a sweet spot where you are still at the cutting edge of your field, but have the experience. Depending on the field this could be a couple years or decades. Then, you cease being able to work it quite as hard and lose the sharp edge.

The choice there is to support the new cutting edge with your experience and wisdom. Or, to get bitter. Bob, unfortunately, chose the latter on his beat. Maybe not with his colleagues, but certainly with the team he covered.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:11 am

It was just a guess, but I thought that McGinn dealt very badly with success. He started to think that it was "all about McGinn."

Remember Sports Illustrated's "Dr. Z" (Paul Zimmerman)? Dr. Z was the hottest thing going for a while. He had a weekly article on the SI website, wrote several books, etc. For a while he was bigger than Peter King, and unlike King he didn't waste my time with dumbass stories about his favorite latte flavors or his daughters T-ball games. Zimmerman was all football - except for an occasional wine recommendation - and I liked that. And that's why I liked McGinn.... he was all football.

Anyhow, none other than the Great Dr. Z started to take a liking to Bob McGinn, that little ol' writer from Nowheresville in the Midwest. All of a sudden, every weekly web article from Dr. Z was mentioning "Scoop McGinn" from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. And more than that, McGinn started to gain some notoriety for predicting the first round of the draft better than almost anybody else. And this was for some years running.

And it was from that time that I thought McGinn went straight down hill.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:18 am

I thought McGinn made up scouts to tear players apart. I called them his sock puppets. The scouts were always anonymous and from another team, etc. So he would always have these sock puppet references in his articles.

Another thing about McGinn is that he ruffled fan's feathers too much because he would go negative and detail how the packers were not as good as they seem. Which if you have ever posted anything here negative about how the packers have no chance due to poor defense, you would realize a lot of denial in fans, and that they really do not know much.

McGinn did start to get a bit arrogant and would highlight how he predicted stuff when right. His shtick got old at the end. Glad he moved on. Only mentioned him because he was referenced in the pft article.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:13 am

I have never been a big fan of McGinn. His negativity is why I take what he says with a grain of salt... Like you said when someone never says anything nice about a team, they start getting ignored.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:59 am

When McGinn was with the Journal-Sentinel, I called him "the intentional anti-homer." He seemed to delight in stoking the fires of those people who were only happy when it rained. That's his key demographic. But now that most of his chief whipping-boys are gone, what's he going to write about?...and who's going to listen?

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January 02, 2018 at 11:22 am

McGinn's hit piece is despicable. Now that he is on his own, McGinn is free to pursue his multi-year vendetta against TT.

Questioning whether a 65 year old man has dementia, Alzheimer's, or some other debilitating disease is the lowest form of muck raking. How about this McGinn? Be a reporter and get some medical data or a physician report before slandering someone's cognitive abilities.

As someone who has personally seen the ravages of Alzheimer's, it pains me that McGinn has insulted every person who does not choose that type of condition, along with their loved ones and caregivers. He is the lower than pond scum.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:34 am

Yet for some reason, the majority of the board of directors thought he was no longer competent to GM the GB Packers. Draw your own conclusions about what that means, but they dealt with him and saw how he interacted with management on a daily basis.

Pot meet kettle. You're essentially doing the same thing you've accused McGinn of doing. Google the word hypocrite.

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marpag1's picture

January 02, 2018 at 11:45 am

Uh, no... that's a load of shit.

If the Packers Executive Committee thinks that TT is no longer able to successfully evaluate NFL talent, fine. What the hell does that have to do with dementia or Alzheimers? Is everyone who gets fired from a GM job mentally unfit or diseased? Was WKUPackFan presuming to question anybody's mental health?

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Razer's picture

January 02, 2018 at 10:38 am

Agree with many of the commentors who see this as a move that was in the works for a while. I think the Packers were in jeopardy of losing the heir apparent and were forced to make the call. Ted will probably help with the draft and retire quietly. Gutenkunst pulling out of the SF search is telling.

The new GM will be totally in on finding a new DC. I doubt they leave that to MM to bumble around with. As for MM and his contract extension, I can see that happening this year. The Packers are loaded with cash and can afford to go there. The new GM may not chose to give him much rope if the team doesn't return to top form in a hurry. The tick tock is getting loud as evidenced by the start of 2018.

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January 02, 2018 at 11:31 am

I'm not defending McGinn, in fact I haven't really read him that much, so I don't understand the "bitter" comment. But if it refers to him being overly critical of the team, hasn't he been proven correct. Capers has been bad for years. TT hasn't built a good defense despite all the draft treasure invested, and McCarthy's offense has seemed stale even with Rodgers. We've won NFC North titles and been in the run for the SB but everyone and his brother knows it's because we have a transcendent QB. I don't think McGinn is alone in having been bitter about the Pack. Thankfully there is going to be a new era. May not turn out the way we all want, but there's hope.

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January 02, 2018 at 02:42 pm

JL, Trust me, if you HAD read a lot of McGinn you would understand the "bitter" comments. As an alleged "expert" on the team he would go out of his way to disparage the coaches and management and players. He wasn't bitter about the team; he was bitter because people stopped believing him When he retired I wrote here on CHTV that "it might not be popular" but that I was glad he was retiring and that I felt he was bitter and angry and completely biased against the Packer organization. I was surprised at how many up votes I got and others saying they felt the same way!!!

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January 02, 2018 at 03:18 pm

It's been like that with McGinn and Packer fans for at least a decade now. I can recall long discussions about him on Packer forums I used to frequent. A lot of people would not believe anything he wrote.

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January 02, 2018 at 12:11 pm

Many of the draft comments separate out those that have performed well and those that haven't, quite accurately. But I wonder how much of that is the player and how much of that is the coach, specifically the position coach. If it is the coach to any real degree then the DL and LB coach changes are hard to fathom. That it might be coaching, on D at least, is suggested by the better statistical performance of players like Hayward and Hyde when they leave and the lack of improvement by players like House when they come back. So yeah let's see if the current personnel show improvement with new position coaches

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January 02, 2018 at 12:44 pm

TT stepped down for TT. After that retarded shot that made Talk of him on the web. (For his own piece of mind he stepped away.) TT still can come back if the new GM fails. So I'm not ready to condemn anyone but Capers. You saw the allegiance. The rest have to follow. MM lostControl of this club. NOT= the arrogance in his own coaching combined with his unwillingness to change ultimately doomed this team. The defense SUCKED. IT"S ALWAYS BEEN THE DEFENSE! He took back the play calling. He took bad picks. Hundley required to much coaching. He played what TT gave him. The Notice is for the players. MM should part ways with Hundley. The QB Coach. And Moss yet. He gives to much of himself. And didn't Sherman really teach us about what happens when a person does to much.

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CAG123's picture

January 02, 2018 at 12:52 pm

You’re comparing Mike Sherman who also had GM duties to MM? That’s a silly comparison Mike Sherman was literally in over his head, the roster was virtually talentless and awful, he couldn’t win in the playoffs, BF was throwing INTs left and right, he let BF do whatever he wanted, Mike Sherman had lost the roster and drove this team to a 4-12 finish in his final season. MM has done nothing even close to what Mike Sherman did he still has the team and they still play for him.

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January 02, 2018 at 02:22 pm

The biggest reason they used was" Too Much of everything." Aren't we seeing the same thing taking back calling plays. Develop Hundley. Replacing coaches now. And a Defense that got the draft picks when he's an offensive minded coach. He had to trust people. Capers especially. Sherman couldn't coach. MM can. But I would have Fire the OC. He didn't.

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January 02, 2018 at 05:49 pm

Not sure, really, what to make of this posting, but neither Ted Thompson nor Dom Capers designed what passes an offensive scheme in Green Bay....McCarthy did. Furthermore, even though Edgar Bennett is the OC, at the end of the day, it is McCarthy who calls the plays. That all said, this offense has been pathetic, utterly absurd and completely devoid of imagination, adjustment & strategy since at least 2010. McCarthy, a stubborn true believer in isolation routes, steadfastly refuses to implement any combination route schemes, motion packages and/or new formations to help his players or to try and expose/take advantage of opponents' weaknesses. This buffoon simply demands that each receiver "win is one-on-one battle" and "make plays". In point of fact, McCarthy and his philosophy is, at best, a middle school scheme which relies upon, and only works when, an all-world QB runs around buying time until someone happens to break open. Newsflash.....when every friggin' play is a "broken play", that means, by definition, that the plays which were called are NOT WORKING. I could go on and on about this guy's shortcomings as an "offensive genius" (ie: lack of commitment to the run, refusing to recognize down & distance in play selection, etc), but I've rambled on enough......bottom line, this fool McCarthy is being put into a very small box by Packers' management.....and I believe he will be exposed as NOT a very good coach.......so expect him to be gone, also, at the end of next season or shortly thereafter.

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January 02, 2018 at 09:16 pm

wow - The west Coast offense was here before McCarthy, Edgar Bennett should be a scout before OC. He is a packer great. I'm sure MM is covering for him. But you must look at who was OC - Jo Philbin. (The guy went on to coach miami. ) plays not working- Montgomery went down , A-rod went down, Bulaga , Murphy, and Who left the team.( Bennett,Lang, Trotter,etc.) Sorry but management is not putting him in a box. Capers did that. A defense that cost A-rod a second maybe 3rd super-bowl. The coach can't play. So just wait and see what A-rod and this offense Can Do when healthy.

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January 02, 2018 at 10:34 pm

With all due respect, if you really think that the offense which Green Bay has been running since around 2011 is "the West Coast offense", then there really is very little point in continuing a dialogue. Look, a true west coast offense is a ball-control, short/controlled passing game which utilizes mostly combination routes (meaning, one player/pattern is being run to open up another player/pattern) and frequent screen plays. Furthermore, it should be fairly balanced between the run and the pass, or at least the passes should be short, high-percentage passes which are a substitute for the running game. Additionally, the TE is used very frequently over the middle of the field (when was the last time you saw that in Green Bay???). Mostly, though, the west coast offense is a timing and rhythm based offense.......not a QB running around "extending the play" (which would not even be necessary if the play in question was effective to begin with)!! McCarthy's initial offensive scheme, with Favre at QB, was most certainly a west coast offense.....and the Packers ran a very effective west coast offense when they last won the Super Bowl in 2010. Since then, however, what passes for an offense in Green Bay defies explanation and/or classification.....and without Rodgers it cannot succeed. Go back and read a very astute article about this in Sports Illustrated, dated in 2015 or 2016 right after the Broncos destroyed the Packers when they both met mid-season as undefeated teams. Bottom line, the Packer offense is really quite broken with Rodgers at the helm......but without him, it is an utter failure.....and this needs to change for both Rodgers' long-term health as well as the chances for Packer success against playoff caliber football teams (where "extending the play" has not, and will not quite cut it).

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January 02, 2018 at 12:47 pm

Those that feel MM should go just because we’ve had ARod think about this Mike Tomlin has boasted a top 5 QB and the number 1RB and 1WR for 5 years now and they haven’t won diddly squat, Tom Coughlin a 2x SB winning coach that beat the Packers twice then went on to beat the Patriots twice was allowed 3 straight losing seasons before he was let go, Marvin Lewis who was has never won a playoff game was given 15 years, Sean Payton who was caught up in a bounty scandal and has fielded some awful def is still employed. 3-4 coaches are SB winners and have borderline HOF to HOF QBs under center point is you don’t get rid of your SB winning HC because of his 2nd losing season and his first in 8 years. R-E-L-A-X

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January 02, 2018 at 02:38 pm

Why would Murphy say that a new GM must keep MM for at least one year? What if a great GM prospect believes MM is not the type coach he prefers?

MM certainly was not good at getting good coaches for STs and defenses.

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January 02, 2018 at 02:43 pm

Amen to that! MM would have multiple job offers within a week of any termination. He's a very good leader, maybe a tad too loyal at times. With Capers gone, all the defensive players and coaches are put on notice to get better or get out. I do think Capers' schemes were outdated and predictable. Stafford basically proved that with his last two games against the Pack. There aren't going to be very many good candidates that will pass up the opportunity to coach a defense when Aaron Rodgers is the QB. That alone probably improves the defensive ranking for the Packers by 4 -5 slots, just by his ability to keep the offense going and on the field.

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