Cory's Corner: Keep An Eye On Jordan Love

 
 
 
 
Remember when Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst said last week that he won't overlook taking a quarterback in the draft? Many laughed at that comment, but it was absolutely true. 
 
In today's NFL, you always have to be on the lookout for the next quarterback. Yes, Aaron Rodgers is currently under center, but he also turns 37 in December and it is the most important position in all of sports. 
 
The one guy that you need to keep an eye on is Utah State quarterback Jordan Love. Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers were both overlooked by colleges coming out of high school and the only FBS school that offered Love was Utah State.
 
CBS Sports has Love ranked as the No. 4 quarterback prospect and No. 33 overall. NFL.com analyst Charlie Casserly even thinks Love should be a first round pick. "This guy's got a lot of throwing talent," Casserly said. 
 
Obviously if Love wows everyone in Indianapolis this week, there's no way Love lasts until No. 30 when the Packers will make their first pick. Maybe Gutekunst was dropping a smoke screen to make sure that his guy was still available when the Packers pick. 
 
I like Love. He has a great long-ball touch, his pocket presence is outstanding and he is quick enough to tuck it and run it when needed. And now his stock is starting to climb thanks to his 10 4/8" hand size -- the largest among the top eight quarterbacks at the Combine. 
 
I've always taken the Combine with a grain of salt. The Underwear Olympics doesn't show the entire piece of the puzzle. Even if Love shows off amazing metrics, what kind of decision making will he employ? Against ranked teams in his career, Love completed 57 percent of his passes for 1,004 yards with six touchdowns and five picks. The worst part is that Utah State was 0-5 in those games.
 
The silver lining with Love is that he wouldn't have to play right away in Green Bay. He could sit for a couple years as he learns and gets acquainted to the pro game.
 
This week will give us all clues. However, we really don't know which way Gutekunst is leaning. And that's OK. The Packers have to start mining talent for the next quarterback and Love is a talented project that would fit that nicely. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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stockholder's picture

February 25, 2020 at 07:19 am

Keep on eye on him. I'm ready to draft him. The Guy has all the measurable's you need in a QB. If his SPRAQ rating is the highest amount for QBs. I'm sure Gute will fall in love. Whats not to like? Decision Making will change, as he watches and learns from Rodgers. So while Gute shifts the board for Love. Love in Green Bay will only produce positive results.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:39 am

Doubt he falls out of the top 20.

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stockholder's picture

February 25, 2020 at 10:22 am

He will. Red flag of getting stopped and possesion of marijuana w/others.

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February 25, 2020 at 10:37 am

It won't matter for a QB. His charges were dropped.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 11:26 am

Some mocks have him in the top ten. He is a better QB than Hebert and the guy from Alabama.

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CAG123's picture

February 25, 2020 at 11:44 am

Better than Tua? Not even close or did you mean the Alabama transfer then went to OU Jaylen Hurts?

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 12:46 pm

No, I mean Tua.

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CAG123's picture

February 25, 2020 at 03:13 pm

The guy that took a massive step backwards is better than the guy that improved? If it wasn’t for the media’s need to create interesting QB prospects out of no where he’s a third round pick at best.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 04:19 pm

Lost some talent, but the big move was David Yost leaving to run the T-tech offense. Watched Utah State and a lot of WAC games the past four years. He stands out, just as Allen did for Wyoming.

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February 25, 2020 at 03:57 pm

I'm torn. Anytime can you draft a Potential Franchise QB the quantitative history says go for it. Wolfe was saying that well before PFF came out with it. Jordan Love is not a good QB. He has the worst QB rating of the top 8 QB's. His strengths are the physical Traits. His weakness is playing Football.

Very Poor decision making, terrible under pressure, many more bad throws to good throws. I would compare him to Winston in the NFL. It's one thing to have these issues in the NFL like Winston, he was a monster in college, but to have them in College at a Small Conference School That has bust written all over it. Stockholder made the point, he has time to clean that up. It is what makes it a possibility. My concern is it's tough to clean up game day issues when you're not playing on game days.

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CoachDino's picture

February 25, 2020 at 04:09 pm

Then you have the value of "opportunity cost" what they could have had. If Love is a stud then it's not an issue and well worth the lack of production for a few years. If not, how much does it hurt? Heck maybe the guy you get instead doesn't pan out, there's no guarantees.
The other positive of taking a QB in Rd 1 is the 5th year. That gives the Pack 2 to 3 years of value out of him and the driver's seat to resign.

I'm on the AR bandwagon but his stats are not impressive. He is doing it with Brains and timely jumps in performance = That's what you hope for in Veterans. My point on this is two-fold as I would not jeopardize the future for the next 2 seasons. Stay the course - Use FA for immediate improvements and take the projects if they have the upside (BPA)

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February 25, 2020 at 08:28 am

I do not think ARod's replacement is even in college yet.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:34 am

I think we are looking at two more years with Rodgers, possibly three.

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February 25, 2020 at 10:35 am

I like Sam Howell. He showed a lot of promise in his rookie year.

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PatrickGB's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:35 am

Wouldn’t it be funny if he was the top rated QB and many teams passed on him and was drafted by GB and became the next great GB quarterback? No? I didn’t think so...

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Leatherhead's picture

February 25, 2020 at 09:50 am

Ron Wolf said the biggest mistake you can make in the draft is to not select a franchise QB if he’s there. I tend to agree. We passed on Drew Lock last year and Lamar Jackson the year before and if you keep doing that you eventually will pay for it.

That said, I think we’re 100% trying to win in the next two years with Rodgers, so I do not expect a QB in the first round.

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CAG123's picture

February 25, 2020 at 10:42 am

The Packers didn’t pass on him the Broncos moved up to get him and in 2018 they had a gaping hole at CB that needed to be addressed QB was not the top priority you make it seem like LJ was a 3rd round pick or something.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 25, 2020 at 02:30 pm

We passed on Luck twice.

Ron Wolf didn’t say it was a mistake to pass on a franchise QB unless you had other needs. That’s your caveat, not his.

When we had Favre, we also had Brunell and Hasselbeck and Brooks and Warner. No team has ever had too many good QBs.

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CAG123's picture

February 25, 2020 at 03:27 pm

Oh stop Brunell was a 5th round pick and Hasselbeck was a 6th round pick Wolf wasn’t passing on bigger team needs to draft backups, he didn’t need to say it because clearly it was something he wasn’t going to do. If The Broncos hadn’t moved up for Lock he’d be a Packer right now. Gute inherited a roster with a lot of holes to fill and QB wasn’t one of them when the opportunity presents itself Gute will get a QB whether it be this year or the next.

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February 25, 2020 at 05:01 pm

Wolf passed on a lot of quarterbacks in the early rounds, I don't think he ever drafted a quarterback in the first 3 rounds after he traded for Favre. He found some good value quarterbacks late in the draft, Brooks in the 4th, Brunell in the 5th, Hasselbeck in the 6th, Detmer in the 7th, and Warner as a rookie free agent.

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February 25, 2020 at 09:07 pm

You're spot on.
Funny how facts confuse the issue.... BF was the QB... All the rest were developmental QBs drafted in later rounds that just happen to pan out pretty well.

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February 25, 2020 at 10:20 pm

No evidence that Lock will be a franchise guy. Jury is still out. The same for the rest of that class. Allen and Lamar Jackson the only ones to put their team in the playoffs to date from the 2018 hype. Different league,now with the softer rules protecting the QB.

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February 25, 2020 at 04:37 pm

Well, Wolf took Jamal Reynolds in his finale' draft in 2001 over three HOF or future HOF players including Mr Drew Brees at #32. Didn't take a flyer on that Brady kid in the 5th or 6th the year before. His biggest hit on his stretch run was obviously trading a One pick for Favre and hitting on Hassellbach in the 6th round. Brunell was solid.

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marpag1's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:58 am

All of the media noise about QB hand size cracks me up. So many of those combine measurements are complete BS, and probably none are more nonsensical than hand size.

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February 25, 2020 at 09:29 am

Disagree on the importance of hand size -for QB-. Both Favre and Rodgers have large hands and as a QB that allows them to grip the ball better under wet, slippery, cold conditions. It IS an advantage at that position IMHO.

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marpag1's picture

February 25, 2020 at 09:36 am

Brett Favre fumbled the ball 166 times, more than any other player in the history of the league.

You were saying something about his grip on the ball?

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dobber's picture

February 25, 2020 at 10:38 am

Brett Favre played 302 games. More than any other non-specialist (depending on how you categorize George Blanda). If you compare him to Warren Moon and (Milton College alum) Dave Krieg (notable for his small hands), his fumbles/game numbers aren't as high. Favre was also sacked and hit more than any other QB in NFL history.

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marpag1's picture

February 25, 2020 at 12:25 pm

I'm willing to grant absolutely everything you said, Dobber, if you're willing to grant that none of it actually proves that guys with big hands have a notable advantage. And it certainly doesn't prove that guys with smaller hands have a notable disadvantage.

What I said doesn't prove much either, except this: Despite his monstrously huge hands, Favre was most certainly never known for ball security.

What your comment does prove, however, it that even a very small-handed guy (like Dave Krieg, for example) can still throw for 38,000 yards and be a three time pro bowler, mostly while playing in a bad weather stadiums like Seattle, Kansas City and Chicago.

But I do get your point, so let's talk about fumbles per game. Of the 51 most egregious fumblers in NFL history, Favre ranks 22nd in fumbles per game - right in the middle of the list. Mind you, we're not saying that Favre fumbled only as much as an average player. No, we're saying that he was 'average' in a list of the 50 most horrific and prolific fumblers ever.

One might not expect that from Brett "Meat hooks" Favre. His hand size is among the largest ever recorded for a QB... just not as large as former Badger Joel Stave, who measured 10 3/4 compared to Favre's 10 3/8. And I think we know how good Stave is going to be....

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 10:25 pm

Fumbles or strip sacks? There is a universe of a difference.

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marpag1's picture

February 26, 2020 at 12:39 am

There *would be* a universe of difference except for the fact that virtually every player on the list of all-time fumblers is a QB, and virtually every fumble that we're talking about is a strip sack. The point is this: Despite his abnormally large hands, Brett Favre was not abnormally good at holding on to the ball in comparison to smaller-handed quarterbacks. The only real "evidence" that exists in favor of big hands is a bunch of people who say, "Well jeez, doesn't hand size just seem to be important..."

Yet there are mountains of statistical data on this. We know the hand size of virtually every player who attended the NFL combine since 2008 when hand size was first measured. We know how often those players fumbled, both in college and in the pros. Stat-nerds and analytics geeks have analyzed the numbers and found no compelling correlation between hand size and fumbles. And they didn't find any correlation between hand size and overall performance either.

The lesson seems to be, "Look, if JJ Watt is coming around the corner and tomahawking the ball, it doesn't make a shit bit of difference if you measured 9 7/8 or 10 1/4." But pocket awareness? Tucking the ball under pressure? Getting rid of the ball before the rush can get to you? Yeah, that's what matters.

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dark42's picture

February 26, 2020 at 08:01 am

To be fair and accurate, Favre was the king of the pump fake and Rodgers also uses it a lot. I believe, especially in wet or cold weather, that's easier to do with larger hands. :)

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marpag1's picture

February 26, 2020 at 08:37 am

To be fair and accurate, do you have any statistical information to show how many pump fakes Favre and Rodgers have used in comparison to small-handed QBs? Or how often those pump fakes resulted in fumbles?

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Leatherhead's picture

February 25, 2020 at 02:32 pm

Big, strong hands are useful, but some guys just aren’t hardwired to protect the ball. Rodgers is. Favre? Not so much.

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February 25, 2020 at 03:05 pm

Hand size makes a difference - there's no debate there. How much of a difference - let the debate begin. My opinion. It needs to be graded but will be inconsequential if everything else is there and no history of fumbles or bad weather game issues.

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marpag1's picture

February 25, 2020 at 03:28 pm

Hmm. So you're saying that hand size "makes a difference"..... unless it doesn't make a difference..... and then we say it's "inconsequential"... but there's "no debate" that it makes a difference.

Um....

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CoachDino's picture

February 25, 2020 at 07:09 pm

yep, I know it may seem like circler logic but think it out.

Do small hand size make a difference? yes
How much of a difference..it wouldn't be a highly weighted criteria.
Ok, he has small hands - that means it is more likely there could be issues.

Does he fumble, have issues in bad weather, slips out of his hands when he tries to stop the momentum? If yes, then the hands have become an issue. If not it can be overlooked.

Holding the ball with two hands while running and in the pocket are ways for small hand guys to combat the issue. grip strength can help. How you hold the ball for some.

I hope that helps.

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marpag1's picture

February 26, 2020 at 12:32 am

So what you seem to be saying very clearly is that hand size is NOT a reliable indicator of whether or not the player will have issues. You need to judge that with the VIDEO tape, not the MEASURING tape. Some guys with small hands manage not to fumble, and some guys with huge hands fumble all the time... or just suck.

If that's what you mean to say, then yes. Exactly.

One of the reasons Pat Mahomes dropped as far as he did in the draft is that some teams were afraid of his "undersized" 9 1/4 inch hands. I bet they're wishing they could have a re-draft...

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Bure9620's picture

February 26, 2020 at 05:35 am

Show me a small handed QB having success in cold weather...............

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marpag1's picture

February 26, 2020 at 08:52 am

“Show me a small handed QB having success in cold weather...............”

Hey, I’d love to. In the same post that you are replying to, I mentioned the puny-handed Pat Mahomes, who seems to do pretty well with his scrawny 9 1/4 inch digits. He plays in Kansas City, of course, and the Weather Chanel recently rated Arrowhead Stadium as having the 8th worst weather in the NFL. Let’s take a look at last season. Mahomes played in sub-freezing conditions four times:

December 8, 2019 at Gillette Stadium vs. New England:
Temperature 32 at 4:25 pm kickoff. Mahomes throws for 283 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT for a passer rating of 83.6 against New England’s top ranked defense.

December 15, 2019 at Arrowhead vs. Denver:
Temperature 24 degrees at 1pm kickoff. Mahomes throws for 340 yards, 2 TDs and 1 INT for a passer rating of 115.7

January 12, 2020 at Arrowhead vs. Houston:
Temperature 32 at 3:05 pm kickoff with wind chill of 24 with spotty light rain and snow. Mahomes threw for 321 and 5 TDs for a passer rating of 134.6 … not too shabby for the AFC divisional round.

January 19, 2020 at Arrowhead vs. Tennessee:
Temperature 21 degrees with wind chill down to 10 with 12-15 miles per hour gusts. Mahomes throws for 294 and 3 TDs and a passer rating of 120.4. That was the AFC Championship Game, of course.

Average passer rating in these four cold weather games: 113.6

Just for kicks, why does “bad weather” have to mean “cold weather?” Why not include the beastly hot day when the Chiefs played in a stifling 91 degrees in Jacksonville? Mahomes and his slippery, sweaty, stubby fingers passed for 378 and 3 TDs for a passer rating of 143.2. If we include this game, then the average passer rating jumps to 119.5. In these five games, Mahomes had two fumbles and lost none.

Personally, I think the kid can make it in this league.

For comparison’s sake, Rodgers played only three games in sub-freezing weather (Panthers, @Giants, @Chicago).

But why is the burden of proof on me?? Shouldn't those people who say that hand size matters be the ones who have to prove it?

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tincada's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:47 am

So what. They had Tayson Hill. How did that work out?

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dobber's picture

February 25, 2020 at 10:39 am

Let me know when Taysom Hill actually becomes the starter and plays a full season. Until then, he's not a QB.

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CAG123's picture

February 25, 2020 at 10:51 am

What’s with this hype about Taysom Hill? The guy does a few whacky trick plays a game (hardly any of them passing, red flag) and some wildcat stuff and everyone is drooling. Sean Payton has this supposed “franchise QB” and yet uses him as a gunner on ST yeah that makes sense. Brees goes down yet Hill didn’t get a single start hmmmm interesting, Payton is a smart offensive mind but he ain’t smart enough to fool a single GM into sending him a first round pick for Hill’s services.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 11:36 am

Some Pack fans love the summer league all-stars.

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Packer_Fan's picture

February 25, 2020 at 10:17 am

Picking a QB in the first round when all the Pack needs is a few more pieces makes no sense for me.

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February 25, 2020 at 03:04 pm

We will always need a few more pieces.

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Samson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:51 pm

Packer Fan
Bing..bing..bing...bing..(sound of 8 Ball Deluxe)... The Pack may very well always need a few more pieces but one of those is not a 1st round QB warming the bench as Burks tries to play ILB or MVS drops another 75 yard TD or Lowry whiffs on another tackle at the LOS.

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February 25, 2020 at 10:55 am

"And now his stock is starting to climb thanks to his 10 4/8" hand size -- the largest among the top eight quarterbacks at the Combine. "-----what a CROCK!!!!.....if anyone thinks that the size of a QB's hands determines their success, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!

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CAG123's picture

February 25, 2020 at 11:42 am

Who thinks that? It’s just an added attribute that helps for example that blind side sack Rodgers took from Jeff Heath in the 2016 divisional game a QB with smaller hands gets stripped sacked right there and it’s game over. It also helps when playing in wet and cold conditions not the most important aspect of playing QB but definitely an added bonus and advantage.

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February 26, 2020 at 05:31 am

Then the Packers are idiots for taking hand size into account, hand size matters in cold weather. Brett Farve had big hands as does Rodgers.

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February 25, 2020 at 11:49 am

At the end of the first round you take the best available. You don’t draft for need. Unless a lot of very similar graded players. So if love is there, you take love. The way qbs are overdafted I could see at least 6 going in the first round this year. Could leave a good player at another position, ( probably wide out) to take.

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February 25, 2020 at 12:27 pm

"Cody Kessler has a truly unbelievable hand size .... Kessler’s hand span of 10.88 inches is around the average of a man standing close to 7’8 and is a whopping 21% wider than the average hand span for his height. "

"Jim Druckenmiller’s hand size ... The average hand span of a 6’5 person is around 9.3 inches. Druckenmiller’s hand span measures 11.25 inches and is about 21% wider than the average for his height.

He has the largest hands measured of any NFL quarterback. Carson Palmer and Drew Bledsoe stand at the same height as Druckenmiller but only have hand spans of 9.50 inches and 9.63 inches respectively."

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Quarterbacks-With-the-Most-Impressiv...

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PatrickGB's picture

February 25, 2020 at 01:35 pm

I donno, a mans “hand size” used to be an indication of the size of his....er manhood. That was proven false too. But I have to admit that I have smallish hands as well as...

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Lphill's picture

February 25, 2020 at 02:33 pm

When was Charlie Casserley ever right?

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Leatherhead's picture

February 25, 2020 at 07:26 pm

Lots of times. You could look it up if you'd like to learn something.

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justjan's picture

February 25, 2020 at 03:28 pm

WalterFootball.com did a survey of team sources to find out who are the most overrated players for this draft class, and Utah State quarterback Jordan Love received the most votes as the most overrated prospect for the 2020 NFL Draft.

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Handsback's picture

February 25, 2020 at 03:54 pm

I saw a game of Hawaii and thought their QB looked darn good. Looked at some of his highlights (I know means squat) and again seems to be able to hit every throw. He's 6-3 > 200 and good quickness. I could see Green Bay grab this guy as a Boyle replacement and maybe a Rodgers fill-in when needed. A Hundley type player with better decision making skills and less gum chewing.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 26, 2020 at 12:03 pm

He has the strong arm, but is a one read guy. They had the freshman fill in for him toward the end of the season to run the rpo with limited success. McDonald should be there in rd 6-7 FA.

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February 25, 2020 at 05:05 pm

I like Love at 30...only if ILB is filled in free agency. There's no way he falls deep into 2nd round, I'm not even sure he would be available at 30.

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Since'61's picture

February 25, 2020 at 05:21 pm

"All you need is Love,
all you need is Love,
all you need is Love, Love.
Love is all you need,
Love is all you need."

John Lennon

Thanks, Since '61

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wildbill's picture

February 25, 2020 at 06:05 pm

Yep let’s use our first round pick on someone who we hope doesn’t play for the next three years, just one step closer to the super bowl.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:09 pm

Just like with Rodgers in 2005.

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February 29, 2020 at 04:43 pm

Wildly different senario, hardly think a QB who should have been the number one pick in the draft will fall to 30. Plus Favre was always threatening to retire and Rodgers is saying he want to play till he is 40.

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Samson's picture

February 25, 2020 at 08:31 pm

wildbill
Finally, someone posts a realistic statement in response to the so-called "QB dilemma".... Gute/MLF are planning & preparing the Pack to advance to the SB in season 2020.. Their QB concerns do not rest with QB1 & maybe not even QB2.
Who says GB has to draft their next QB1?... TT was afraid of free agency, Gute isn't...Now is not the time to expend a 1st rounder on a bench warmer.---- WR - DL - ILB. --- It's obvious.

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February 26, 2020 at 08:12 am

If you're gambling on that first-round pick to cover some need that will carry you to the SB, you're not as close to the SB as you think.

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February 25, 2020 at 10:15 pm

There's a better chance that Love goes about pick #30 than sliding to #30 for us.

Plus Nick was right today vs Greg Jennings. You don't waste a #1 pick on a QB right now when Rodgers might be playing for 3, 4, 5 more years. And half of 1st rd QBs are busts anyway.
Look at Denver, Dallas in the 2015 Draft. Denver took Paxton Lynch Rd 1, whom Dallas wanted. So Dallas later took the specimen Dak Prescot on Day 3..... now look.

https://youtu.be/_e4SLE6svaA?t=198

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February 26, 2020 at 05:36 am

I have been pretty high on Jordan Love for some time. Love his arm, mobility and intelligence. His offensive line was awful imo and he had very little to work with for receivers. There is no doubt in my mind he possesses everything the big school prospects do and maybe more potential, higher ceiling. Love would be a top ten pick if he were at a P5 school. I really think this kid has all the throws, tools and intangibles to be a starter and a very good one. He is a top ten pick IMO.

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dark42's picture

February 26, 2020 at 07:57 am

Lombardi said the most important player on a team is the QB, and the second most important player is the backup QB. The way Rodgers holds the ball too long and his injury history makes it very important to have a reliable backup.

So I disagree with everyone who's stating Rodgers is the answer for the next few years unless Gute and MLF are sure that Boyle is that reliable backup. I don't know if Love or any other QB in this draft is that guy, or if Boyle is either. But I have faith in Gute to make sure Rodgers has a reliable backup. :)

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February 26, 2020 at 08:14 am

"But I have faith in Gute to make sure Rodgers has a reliable backup. "

Then I would argue he failed you in 2019 and got lucky enough not to get burned by it. I'm sure Boyle is reliable at some level, but only God knows what that is.

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February 26, 2020 at 11:45 am

If Rodgers went down for the count early in the season, they will be in the bidding for Lawrences' services.

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