Cory's Corner: Being Humble Matters

Jordan Love has many of the same traits that Patrick Mahomes currently possesses. But the most important is humility. 

Patrick Mahomes just blew Aaron Rodgers’ argument to pieces. 

Remember when everyone said that the reason Rodgers didn’t win another Super Bowl was because he didn’t have enough weapons? Mahomes just chuckled and said, “Hold my beer.”

The Chiefs’ best pass catcher was tight end Travis Kelce this season. But he’s 34 and he’s in the twilight of his career. Rashee Rice, who was the team’s best wideout, didn’t get 100 yards receiving until Week 12 and in the last three postseason games he only averaged 44 receiving yards.

Rodgers had Davante Adams. In 2020, Adams had 115 of the Packers 372 receptions. What else do you want? One of the best route runners in the game had 18 touchdowns that season but the Packers lost a heartbreaker at home in the NFC title game to the Buccaneers. 

The Chiefs had no business getting to the Super Bowl. This is an offensive league now. You have to score. And that’s why they went 11-6 and only had one home playoff game in this title run. 

And Rodgers also had Aaron Jones, who tallied over 1,100 rushing yards in 2020. Not to mention, left tackle David Bakhtiari and center Corey Linsley were All-Pros. 

Mahomes is 28 and just won his third Super Bowl ring. He makes his teams better — and he does it when it matters most. He was 8-for-8 in overtime and he also scrambled twice for 27 yards in Sunday’s 25-22 overtime win over the 49ers. 

The reason people are saying that Mahomes is the best they’ve ever seen is because he tiptoes around all of his problems. The moment it comes to crunch time, he turns those problems into solutions, leading to a three-yard game-winning touchdown to Mecole Hardman, who was traded from the Jets in October. 

Rodgers did make his teams better, but he was also notorious for complaining about what could be better. And that’s what ultimately put him in New York. 

I’m not sure if Mahomes is the best quarterback I’ve ever seen, but anyone can make an all-star team a winner. It takes true talent to make a slightly good team a championship unit. 

And amazingly, that’s what I think the Packers have in Jordan Love. I like his humility and I like how he made this young roster better. Nobody thought the Packers could compete in the playoffs, but now, there are many folks giving the Packers a chance to win the NFC next season. We didn't know that Love had that much poise, maturity and arm magic to lead this team to the playoffs and a playoff win. 

Love is still growing and proving so much but as his confidence begins to rise with this band of youngsters, he will continue to bring this team to new heights. I mean, the Packers beat the Super Bowl champs this year and should've beat the NFC champs. This team is closer than you think. 

Being humble matters because it can prove so much. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Cheezehead72's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:21 am

Good article. As I was watching MVS in the playoffs I started to think of how much better he might have been if Rodgers was more patient with him. I am not saying Rodgers was wrong but as time went on he changed and expected too much from the young receivers. Love seems to be working well with his receivers becuase they are learning together. As he gets more experience I hope he continues to work with the young receivers the same way.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:41 am

The thing about MVS was he was FINALLY putting it together (especially FINALLY making some contested catches) when he got injured, then he left that offseason.
Those "little things" can have big effects.

For another example, I firmly believe that if Greenlaw didn't tear his Achilles walking onto the field, the 49ers would have won.

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10ve 💚's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:26 am

"For another example, I firmly believe that if Greenlaw didn't tear his Achilles walking onto the field, the 49ers would have won."

If Bakt hadn't torn his ACL a couple of years back, I think Packers would have won the Super Bowl that year.
If Zach Tom had not got injured against Niners 3 weeks back, I think Packers would have beat Niners this year.

So many ifs ....

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:38 am

100%.

Bakhtiari's injury completely changed the offense and we struggled to move the ball.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:29 am

Toss in the muffed punt return, giving KC the short trip to the Endzone. Reminiscent of A.Jones fumble at the start of the second half in the NFCCH Game @ Lambeau. With evenly matched teams, turnovers usually tell the story.

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Houndog's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:27 am

Optimist,
"I firmly believe that if Greenlaw didn't tear his Achilles walking onto the field, the 49ers would have won". That might be right.
But the 9er's should have been paying attention when Kevin Durant played on a bad calf for the Warriors a few years ago when he should have been resting for the playoffs. Tore his Achilles in the finals.
F$#k the 49'ers, Greenlaw had been nursing a bad calf for weeks, I have no sympathy! The Packers and the Lions let them off the hook!

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golfpacker1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:30 pm

Or how much better would the 49ers offense been with a healthy Deebo Samuels. I don't ever want anyone to get hurt but I was thrilled when he couldn't come back in against us. He is a huge part of their offense.

Injuries are the bad part of the game and losing Greenlaw and only having half of Deebo changed the game.

Also, even though Kelsey had an awesome playoff run, at times he looked beat to shit a lot this year.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:37 am

MVS had 21 catches for 315 yards and 1 TD in the regular season. In the post season (4 games) he had 8 catches 128 yards and 1 TD.

In GB his least productive year was his last year in GB. He had 26 catches for 430 yards and 3 TD's. But that was in 11 games total. With the Chiefs this year in 20 games he had 443 yards and 2 TD's.

MVS as a rookie had 38 catches on 73 targets for 581 yards and 2 TD's. His best year in GB was his 3rd year. He had 33 catches on 63 targets for 690 yards and 6 TD's.

I have always liked MVS. He had played with the best 2 QB's in the league, And he is putting up minimal numbers. He has put up better numbers with Rodgers then Mahommes. I don't think we can blame Rodgers on this.

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Coldworld's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:02 am

MVS is a good example of a player who can do things that make a difference but won’t carry a team. He’s an ideal piece in a strong team, one who can make a difference if things are close but won’t get you there in the first place.

He affects defenses because when he does make an impact it’s usually a big one. That’s his main value for much of his time in the field. Him missing was a big factor in one of our post season exits by allowing the D to ignore depth and play to their strengths. Speed kills, but as often as not it’s not because speed makes the big play but how it opens things for others.

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dobber's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:10 am

He could flash and have a 4-100-1 game every now and then, but he was invisible too much. Yes, "go long" impacts a defense, but if they know a long ball is as likely to drop through your hands or bonk off your shoulder pads (or helmet) as it is to be caught, they'll single cover you and take their chances, and slide coverages to 17.

He was in GB for four years, and we heard about how "this is the year" he'd made strides to be a bigger part of the offense every year after his first. Sometimes in preseason it even almost looked that way. It just never materialized. He was a perennial tease that 12 just wasn't going to feed.

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Coldworld's picture

February 13, 2024 at 11:33 am

But it was a useful tease. I don’t disagree it’s better to have a player who is more versatile or consistent, but an MVS type has value. I didn’t necessarily agree that he had 10 million a year value, but, in hindsight he helped them get through the layoffs at critical moments last year as well as his contribution this year. I seriously doubt that the Chiefs regret that investment, despite his invisible games.

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dobber's picture

February 13, 2024 at 12:38 pm

All but guarantee he'll be an FA in March.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 13, 2024 at 03:37 pm

Vikings on line one.

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Coldworld's picture

February 13, 2024 at 03:42 pm

Maybe. They have decent cap space but a lot of very big FAs on D.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:49 pm

I saw that Harrison Smith was a cap cut candidate for the vikes. He is an older Safety but still very good. He had 93 tackles this year and 3 forced fumbles.He always played well against us. I wonder what he is worth at this point?

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 05:13 pm

If his agent can get him a hands transplant he may have some value.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:40 pm

Hey and we get a 4th round comp pick for him. Worked out good for us. As did the Aaron Rodgers trade although 2 years too late. Too bad Bahk wasn't healthy enough and the cap hit was so bad that we couldn't have got the Jets 3rd for him too.

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NickPerry's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:33 am

"And amazingly, that’s what I think the Packers have in Jordan Love. I like his humility and I like how he made this young roster better. Nobody thought the Packers could compete in the playoffs"

And how refreshing is this? I didn't hear Love throw even one player or coach under the bus all season. Even when the interior of the Packers O-Line was leaking like a spaghetti strainer you heard nothing from Love. When the young WRs ran incorrect routes, missed blocks or assignments, you heard nothing from Love. Had this been Mr Rodgers, we'd have heard about everything and MORE from Rodgers. What's worse is he'd do it on MacAfee, for the whole damn world to hear. You HAVE to respect Love. He ALWAYS took the blame...Even when it was obvious the blame wasn't on him.

"We didn't know that Love had that much poise, maturity and arm magic to lead this team to the playoffs and a playoff win."

No, we sure didn't. I also was concerned if Watson could never stay on the field, the Packers could be in trouble at WR...HA!!!!! If Watson never figures out his hamstrings it will suck but it certainly isn't going to slow this BUNCH down much. Reed, Wicks, Doubs, and Melton and Heath too. Throw in Musgrave and Kraft with another year of experience you tell me just who you going to cover.

And leading this bunch is a guy who wants to be great but also wants to be around his teammates and get better. I can't wait until September!!

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Spock's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:30 am

NP, I couldn't agree more; it had actually turned hard for me to watch the Packers (My Team!!) with AR at the helm. The last several years it seemed inevitable that we'd lose in the playoffs because of "Davante Vision". This season was just so much fun to watch! I had a bunch of stuff going on in my life and, for the first time in years, Packers football gave me something to look forward to. I sure hope (I think it will be) Jordan will continue to be a humble, talented, leader for the Packers. I'm looking forward to a non-drama-filled off season going forward. GPG.

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mrtundra's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:23 am

About the only drama I want to see, regarding this team, is to see how Gute and Co move up and down the board in the Draft, and who is looked at in FA, to improve the roster. GO PACK, GO!!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:25 am

"Remember when everyone said that the reason Rodgers didn’t win another Super Bowl was because he didn’t have enough weapons? Mahomes just chuckled and said, “Hold my beer.”"

I mean I remember all of Rodgers defenses allowing 17 points on average per game. Sure. I remember the Packers defenses being top 10 routinely when he had minimal weapons. Oh wait, 1 time that happened and that was the year they won the super bowl. Defense wins championships and the one year Rodgers had a top 5 defense they won.

Mahommes is very good, don't get me wrong. But to exclude the fact that his defense and special teams saved his ass, is misleading. Also the fact that the 49ers not knowing the OT rules definitely played into the Chiefs hands. To me the unit that went under the radar and won the Chiefs the game was special teams. They had a fumble recovery, and they had a blocked extra point which played a huge role in the way the game played out. Also their kicker made all 5 of his kicks. Mahommes threw 1 TD in 4 Quarters. They had the advantage in OT with the rules as they had 4 downs to work with and he threw 1 TD then.
Again Mahommes is very good. Probably the best in the league right now.
But just because the Chiefs won, doesn't take away from how good Rodgers had been for GB.

Here are some fun facts for this years Packers team in comparison to this years super bowl.
-Packers scored more points against the 49ers then the Chiefs did in 4 quarters. Packers scored 21, Chiefs had 19.
-Love threw more TD's then Mahommes did against the 49ers through 4 quarters. Love 2, Mahommes 1.
-Packers scored the most points against the Chiefs with 27. No one else scored more then 24 against them.

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Guam's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:23 am

I dunno RC. Every point you made is legitimate, but it was Mahomes and the almost receiverless KC offense that marched down the field in overtime against one of the best defenses in the league to win the Super Bowl. That was something Rodgers was unable to do for much of his career.

I can't put a finger on exactly why, but Rodgers has never had the post season success that Mahomes is having. Mahomes seems to be able to rise to the occasion better than Rodgers.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:29 am

A defense that was worn out, and they had the advantage of having 4 downs vs 3. Would they have marched down the field if they had the ball first in OT?

One play for example was the MVS play where he lost like 12 yards. It was 2nd and 22ish. That play call is likely different knowing they have 3 downs to get the first down vs 2.

Also they went for it on 4th down. Which If they have the ball first they are punting. They had a huge advantage of having the ball 2nd in OT.

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Guam's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:24 am

No argument about any of your points RC, but was Rodgers able to do similar things in big games? I believe the answer is no. My focus is the comparison between Rodgers and Mahomes and Mahomes has clearly had more big game success.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:49 am

He was and wasn't. Remember the Cardinals game 2016. When he lead his no name WR's group down the field with 2 hail mary throws to Janis. He got them to OT and then only to never see the ball again because the defense allowed them to march down the field for a score.

If they didn't change the OT rules, Mahommes never would have gotten the ball. That's something else to think about.

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Guam's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:38 am

Fair point about the Cardinals game, but that's one game versus how many for Mahomes?

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jvole's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:53 am

I think Bosa pointed out that Rodgers was predictable (throw to Davante), and I think he became incredibly risk adverse (rarely ran for the 1st down after 2019ish). I also think he was shit for clock management. Despite his incredible talent and intelligence, I think Rodgers became his own worst enemy and his bad habits actually got worse under pressure. I hope Love avoids this and the best way to do it is to remain humble and listen to people who are trying to help you be better.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:57 pm

And to think before Mahomes teams would never draft an "Air Raid QB." Now everyone wants one. Sometimes the NFL is really off base with the parameters to be able to play a certain position. QBs for example had to be 6'4 220lbs, be able to take snaps under center, and have a proper throwing motion. Mahomes has sure blown that bullshit theory up.

Love has these same gifts and he will only get better.

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Houndog's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:39 am

RC,
"Also the fact that the 49ers not knowing the OT rules definitely played into the Chiefs hands".
Maybe it did, so much for Shanahan being the genius so many want to think he is! You're supposed to be prepared, the Chiefs were!
Every Chief's player that was asked stated that they had been over it numerous times.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:19 am

Shannahan is a tremendous offensive schemer/playcaller/OC.

But having said that to this point he has blown every super bowl lead he has had and he has not been able to get his team over the top.
He should have lost to the Packers in the playoffs and should have lost to the Lions.

Hearing the 49ers talking about not knowing the differences in playoff OT rules compared to regular season, says that they were not fully prepared.

So for me it brings into question how good of a HC is Shannahan. Again, great offensive mind, but how good is he as a full team leader?

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 13, 2024 at 03:31 pm

It all comes down to Quarterback play in the Big Game. Mahomes > Purdy. He delivered the plays with his scrambling. They held contain, but he broke through like running a Veer Offense. That's on Wilks. The Long Ball he tossed in Qtr two should have been intercepted by the safety who doubled the short guy, not moving to help the CB. Reviewing the Film, both defensive and offensive lines hammered each other. The ALL-PRO Creed Humphrey, opened the inside up for Mahomes to scramble. Never should have been in OT.

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stockholder's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:25 am

Cory why be a Nitpicker? Is this still the remedy ?
I can compare McHomes to Brady too.
But the Love vs Rodgers; isn’t going to " Get Love Better"-
Everyday.
The truth is fault finders hurt the ones they see faults in!
And your hurt; Rodgers couldn’t win more Super-Bowls.
Humble doesn’t Prove a thing.
It only helps you develop a more Kind Approach to interacting with others.
Rodgers tried to be perfect. We expected it.
1. Distractions?
2. Motivated?
3. Don’t give up?
4.Determination and perseverance.
5 Learn from other players mistakes, Etc.
Look at the Bigger picture Cory.
Rodgers was a MVP. We expected perfection.
From Relax- To keep carrying this team.
He wasn’t the one who was FIRED.

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Oppy's picture

February 14, 2024 at 12:24 am

"He wasn’t the one who was FIRED."

No, but he should have been.

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zoellner25's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:45 am

What's humility?

~Aaron Rodgers

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Turophile's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:59 am

I think humbleness is overrated, especially that brand of 'false humble' that is difficult to explain, but you know it when you see it.

That does not mean I want arrogance either, which is worse.

The best way forward (I think), is simply to be matter of fact about the game and not to 'oversell' it. That matter of fact frankness is always a breath of fresh air when you hear it from, well, anyone really.

That WILL cause some problems when the media can so easily twist your words to mean something else. But, if you have a reputation as a straightforward guy, you can get away with a lot more, as others will factor in your straight talking nature and it will colour how they process what you say.

Being secretive and guarded is so commonly used as a strategy, that frankness can bring a respect to that person for having the courage to say what they think. Of course if your stated opinions are relatively rational, that helps plenty too.

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Coldworld's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:20 am

I think we over complicate this. There are various ways to be a leader. The point is that Love seems to be one and able to develop trust, loyalty and a “one for all, all for one” mentality. That’s something not many humans can do. We should be thankful.

It’s ridiculous to say that Rodgers couldn’t bond. He did and tightly, but he struggled to admit others and that bond became exclusionary of change and progression over time. Let’s hope Love keeps his feet in the ground (literally and figuratively) as his wealth and fame grow.

What impressed me most is Love’s calmness. He seems to have the ability to seldom get flustered and to forget mistakes and move past them. He goes through his reads and progressions, reads the field and doesn’t stop doing so if he screws up or because a colleague muffs a play. That’s only likely to increase with experience.

So much of QB play is mental. Love will probably always tend to improvise more than Rodgers, but that wins as well as loses. The great thing is that he seems to be studious too. If he can learn to improve his judgement of situation and play then that will take him to another level. Not overly prejudging outlet options will be a big help because it doesn’t limit his outlets below those eligible and it doesn’t make him predictable.

The most impressive thing about Love that I saw emerge this season is his apparent mental make up, not his play. That make up is a major source of my confidence that his play will continue to develop further.

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CoachJV's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:55 am

"Love will probably always tend to improvise more than Rodgers, but that wins as well as loses. The great thing is that he seems to be studious too."

I agree. There were times where you could see that Love had done his homework and knew exactly what the D was gonna bring... very Rodgers like.
And there were times where Love went off-schedule and pulled it out of his ass, leaving us biting our nails while the ball was in the air... very Favre like.

I think Love might turn out to be a great mix of the his 2 HOF predecessors... with the leader mentality that came from the great Bart Starr... Either way, it's gonna be fun to watch!

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:10 am

Bart Starr was a quiet, humble leader by example. It worked for him.

Not proclaiming Love the next Starr. This season I did see more Bart qualities than those identified with Brett or Aaron.

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dobber's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:23 am

The funny part is that we all want these guys to be or seem humble and team-first in the pressers, in their off-season spots with media agitators, and in the locker room post-game interviews. I think we all want him to be a strong, self-assured leader that others beg to follow on the field...there needs to be plenty of swagger in that.

The cynic in me asks: Is it possible we're mistaking humility for not wanting to be the middle of the maelstrom? Those aren't the same things. I don't doubt that he was being coached day-in and day-out to review his cliche file and not stir the pot ("don't be the problem"?) during the offseason as the storm swirled around his predecessor.

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Guam's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:32 am

Fair point Dobber.

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T7Steve's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:19 am

Maybe that's the best thing he learned by watching Rodgers? What to say, what not to say, what to do, what not to do with your teammates, coaches and media. In 3 years, he witnessed it all.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:16 am

Love is also very much the same QB leader he was at Utah State. His last year there was very challenging, with a completely new coaching staff, new receivers and OL.

He quietly did his job with what he had and still won games & did not complain or make excuses.

Character is who you are when no one is watching. I think Jordan Love's personality is authentic.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 07:06 pm

Love probably learned a lot from playing behind Rodgers. So far I would also say he clearly saw how not to act also. Skill wise, Rodgers was great to learn from and model after. But he was also an arrogant tool most of the time. I am thrilled that Love didn't pick that up from AR and I will bet his teammates are happy too.

It has been so refreshing to not have arguments anymore with the Rodgers apologists as we did all last off season.

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jvole's picture

February 13, 2024 at 01:14 pm

No professional athlete can be humble about their own ability and be successful. Even the 'nicest' guys are hard-knocking, competitive, driven...But the best know that they cannot know everything about everything all the time. They have to rely on their coaches, and GM, to fill in the plan and the team.

I wonder if Rodgers just lost faith in the organization at some point (maybe after Ted Thompson was drafting for 2-3 years too many) and started to believe that he was the only one worth listening to. MLF's offense rejuvenated his career and two years later he de facto starts running McCarthy's offense again? It made no sense.

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CoachJV's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:33 am

I think that - going forward - one of the strengths of this team will be that they are growing together, and doing it without veterans to show the way.
Logic would seem to dictate that a team needs veterans to groom the youngsters and pass on their knowledge, etc. But veterans can also set bad examples of behavior... which I believe ARod was often guilty of doing. An example of that would be our star CB who had to be humbled by sitting out a game.
Jaire said he thought he'd just be fined... but kids who grow up poor and have his skill don't care about a fine... you hit him where it hurts him most... his play time.

But on Offense, with Bak being out of the picture all year, the O's only veteran was Jones and he sets a wonderful example of how to be a good human being... and how to be selfless.... and that's the model that our youngsters will take. And if they all keep their ego's in check as they bloom into stardom, still willing to share the touches, they will be unstoppable until we can no longer afford to keep them financially.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:41 am

It's often a challenge to connect the dots in The Corner and today is no exception. We are left to wonder how many Super Bowls Tim Tebow would have guided teams to had he only been *more* humble.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:58 am

interesting point. also, why did god fail tim tebow?

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Leatherhead's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:15 am

Failed? He was a multimillionaire in his 20s, he won the Heisman, he's married to one of the hottest women on the planet, and he's universally seen as being a good guy. He wasn't blessed with a world class arm, but I think he was compensated for that.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:28 am

This is a football discussion...

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Leatherhead's picture

February 14, 2024 at 09:57 am

OK. He won the Heisman. He was two times National Champion. That's better than 99% of guys who ever played.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 14, 2024 at 10:43 am

He was Jerry Tagge. I have receipts.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 14, 2024 at 11:10 am

I remember Tagge. We thought he was going to be the guy, and he wasn't. He played at Nebraska, right? And you are right, he was the #11 overall, and he won the National Championship twice in college.

That would be a pretty good example of guys who were pretty successful college QBs who never got much done in the pros. Now, that you woke up my memory on that, I'm starting to recall quite a few

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Tagge was a local boy, wasn't he? I know that the 1972 team...the team that drafted him...made the playoffs with Scott Hunter. Was Tagge our backup that year? Seriously? I had to look that up and sure enough, Scott Hunter was good enough to keep Tagge off the field as a rookie. Scott Hunter....in 14 games, threw 199 passes, completed 43%. That's what kept Tagge on the bench?

You have to wonder what the hell was going on at 1265 Lombardi those days. Just soooo many massive screwups.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 14, 2024 at 11:25 am

Ran like a tank at Nebraska, marginal arm. Local boy. Dream draft pick. Lousy quarterback.

He was Tim Tebow without Jesus and the slobbering media.

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CoachJV's picture

February 13, 2024 at 12:09 pm

Go didn't fail Tebow... God created a great H-back... Tebow just wouldn't listen.

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Houndog's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:48 am

Does anyone here think for one minute that if Aaron Rodgers had this group of receivers and TE's the entire league and nearly every TV announcer would be talking about how "the Packers are loaded"?
Hell No!
Rodgers would have stopped throwing to them after the second drop or wrong route, staring and glaring at the sideline while shaking his head.

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Untylu1968's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:09 am

But he would've never had this group of receivers! You'd have to put Cobb, Lazard, and Touchdown Jesus on the roster, then add any three of your liking.
Maybe it's just me, and I could be way off base, but I truly believe one of the biggest hurdles to not winning another Super Bowl was the buddy system.
The whole he never had enough weapons was primarily because a handful of guys were handed jobs because of #8.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 13, 2024 at 04:11 pm

Doubs and Watson will probably disagree. Get a new script.

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NFLfan's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:12 am

Some differences: The Chief's Defense, ST's & coaching was better than what Rodger's had to deal with. And, I'm not a fan of AR's recent shenanigans.

I watched my first interview with Mahome's mother, Randi. She was only 20 when she had him and said 'she grew up with him'. She was a single parent by the time Patrick was 9 and he had to assume a fair share of responsibility.
She came across as loving, open, down-to-earth, unassuming. She continues to work as an event planner @ a golf course & lives modestly outside of Tyler, Tx.,
She said Patrick assumed a bit of a fatherly role towards his siblings.
I really think she may be the reason Patrick is so grounded and humble. I was very impressed @ how she has handled his fame. She doesn't expect to be given a big house, she is close to her neighbors, stays out of the limelight etc.
Jordan Love had to grow up earlier as well and was well-loved. Rodgers comes from a more 'complicated' family and I don't think he had the same type of loving base those 2 had. Rodgers felt he had to be great, Patrick and Jordan are more quietly confident and that is, IMO, a result of more attuned parenting.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 13, 2024 at 09:46 am

I realize there are people who think that a person's personality as a quarterback doesn't matter much, but I like it when I actually "LIKE" the player. I think how beloved Bart Starr was and I can in my mind actually see how I if I had been good enough would have played my heart out for him.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:13 am

Leadership comes in many forms, I'm not so sure that humble is any more effective than toxic narcissism, but for Aaron Rodgers he may have been a lot more beloved today if he'd actually carried the team to a few more super bowls.

Rodgers had epic failures, which when combined with his toxicity has affected his legacy. See also: Favre, Brett.

I'm glad Jordan Love seems goofily likeable. I hope that continues. I especially hope to see some super bowl success, even if he turns out to be an asshole.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 13, 2024 at 10:54 am

Ask Johnny U about humble and get ready for the expletive parade...

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Coldworld's picture

February 13, 2024 at 11:46 am

Leadership can be effective through many different forms. It doesn’t matter which way it’s achieved, but when it is, that’s what is worth appreciating. Then it’s what the person does with it. Starr was particularly rare as a sportsman because his not only translated off the field but made a commitment to use that for positive reasons not personal celebrity and gain.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 05:20 pm

No shit Jannes, Unitas was one arrogant SOB. But damn he could spin a football.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 13, 2024 at 08:19 pm

Loved the guy....

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splitpea1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 11:34 am

"The Chiefs had no business getting to the Super Bowl"... "It takes true talent to make a slightly good team into a championship unit." Really? These are some of the most absurd statements I've ever read. The Chiefs have one of the best offensive minds out there as a head coach, the best big game defensive coordinator in the league, a game-changing defensive lineman, a great secondary, and a very good linebacker patrolling the middle. While their offense wasn't off the charts this season, Mahomes and Kelce are obviously serious impact players who can will their teams to victory.

And if it's such an offense-driven league, why were three of the four teams in their respective championship games actually the top three defensively-ranked teams?

We all excited about the prospects for Love going forward, but we need to start retreating from the narrative here that the play and personality of the quarterback is the only thing that matters when it comes to competing for a championship...Rodgers and his quirks are long gone--time to forget about him. Ditto for soft defensive schemes, they're a thing of the past. Please move forward!

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2024 at 12:40 pm

Hey splitpea, two of my favorite plays from the Super Bowl were two blitzes dialed up by Spagnola for the Chiefs on the last two drives by the 49ers on huge third downs (Sneed's blitz in regulation, Jones' in overtime) to force field goals instead of allowing touchdowns.
Late in that epic game, both defenses seemed gassed and on their heels, allowing drives deep into their own territory.
It seems Spagnola realized that he had to take a couple of calculated risks to give his defense a decent opportunity of keeping the other team out of the end zone.
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As far as the Packers, I'm not saying to go with the blitz-and-tight-coverage recklessly; but at the same time, I'd like our defense to be going forward more often than backward.
We need some dash and daring to bring out the best in our players individually and as a unit.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 03:16 pm

Interestingly enough, he dialed that blitz at 2 minutes out of a 2 man front. If there's one thing I know from this board, its that a 2 man front is strictly prohibited. How dare Spagnola use that defense.

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splitpea1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 03:23 pm

It was a great Super Bowl, one of the more enjoyable to watch in recent memory with the hard hitting and sure tackling. Of course it's almost preordained for the QB to win the MVP, but I thought Chris Jones had a strong case with his disruption and pressures along with the pep talks to his teammates on the sideline. The Packers could really use some of this kind of leadership on defense, both from a coaching and individual player standpoint.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2024 at 03:23 pm

yup, thats just JennerJohn writing like jennerjohn...doesnt make a lot of sense sometimes...Chiefs coaching, QB, TE, Defense, all pretty darn good, of course they had business being in and winning the Super Bowl...

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2024 at 12:11 pm

One way the humility shows up is in taking the short throws.
Just watching Cowherd, he was talking about how Patrick Mahomes is willing to take the short completions, and in this area is the best quarterback in the NFL.
It seemed Rodgers disdained the short throws as beneath him, so to speak.
Although Mahomes and Rodgers are both dynamic at making the long plays, it seems Mahomes doesn't force the spectacular, but Rodgers does.
This was evident in the Super Bowl, when Mahomes outsmarted the opposing defense with short and middling throws rather than forcing attempts at big chunks.
By the way, I love the deep throws, and I love the 20-yard dimes across the middle of the field, but if the defense is mostly giving up the dinks and dunks, then that's the way to go.
As with Bart Starr, it's whatever it takes to win with Mahomes.
That's what we want with Jordan Love.

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2024 at 12:26 pm

P.S. Ironically, the short throws may be the most inaccurate part of Love's throwing game.
To do them well -- hitting the receiver in stride out in the flat or on short crossers -- seems to be a lot more difficult than they look.
I'm hopeful that this is something Love will work on and improve upon before next season; and that he'll do whatever it takes to lead the Packers to victory in one or more Super Bowls.
I won't even rule out Packers over Chiefs in the big game next February.
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It's going to take dedication, though, and humility, from all of the Packers to climb such a high mountain to the top.
We need the talent, but also the character, to be appreciated on our roster.
I'm confident Love will lead the way.
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P.P.S. I hope he starts out as a leader by taking at top-10 contract instead of going for highest-paid -- and then says he wants to spread the wealth among his teammates, for the sake of both their individual well-being and the strength of the team as a whole.

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Green Bay Shareholder's picture

February 13, 2024 at 12:32 pm

Right on, that is when the Packers season turned around, when they stopped looking for the 40 yard Bomb to Christian Watson to burn a down or looking for a PI call, mostly because he was hurt most of the year then when he came back was just - One of the Guys. Just move the damn chains ala Joe Montana's West Coast Offense, basically extended running plays in space. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how open most of these guys are off the line or RB circling out of the backfield, especially Aaron "Dynamo" Jones. Talk about YAC ! Also a perfect goal line call to win the game for the Chiefs, which works constantly especially with a semi mobile QB, a QB rollout with misdirection instead of a damn handoff up the gut repeatedly. Bingo, wide receiver open by a mile, if he was covered, QB runs it in. DB has to pick his poison. Fantastic last drive by the Chiefs, all I could think of was Bart Starr at the helm with a lot worse weather.

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Swisch's picture

February 13, 2024 at 12:52 pm

In the legendary last drive of 68 yards in the Ice Bowl, Bart Starr just took what the defense gave him with mostly short passes on the literally frozen tundra -- and a walk-on running back named Chuck Mercein came through with 34 of those yards.
Before that drive, things looked extremely bleak, as the offense of the Packers had a total of negative-9 yards.
Glory is a matter of teamwork.
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There's a lot more to the craft of quarterbacking than a great arm.
Starr actually became a top passer, even the MVP for the 1966 season, but he couldn't sling it like Unitas.
Starr had five titles in the 1960s, Unitas zero.
It seems Starr was more humble.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 05:04 pm

I would argue that the other way humility shows up is by taking short showers. That way you conserve hot water for your teammates, and man, there's nothing like a hot shower.

Leadership. It starts in the showers.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 13, 2024 at 01:06 pm

Cory, can you please cite some examples of your statement that #12 was "notorious for complaining about what could be better?" I don't see a lot of examples of that? There were times he held the young WRs to a high standard, but then so did Brady, P Manning and other top QBs.

You can say Rodgers didn't elevate his game in the playoffs later in his career and you would have a good argument. But this comparison is missing a lot. For one thing the Chiefs have an excellent defense, which GB only really had in 2010 and 2014. For another thing, that wonderful, productive Aaron Jones that we love so much seemed to have a penchant for fumbling in big playoff games. That happened against Tampa Bay (oh and BTW it was MVS that had over 100 yards in that playoff game, not Davante Adams). For another thing, Travis Kelce is one of the best TEs ever to play the game, whether age 34 or not.

GB didn't give Rodgers enough weapons late in his career, but he made the most of what he had and won a ton of games. It was often the defense that gave up leads as well in the playoffs. The playoff losses are only partially on Rodgers. Partly on coaching (SF in 21), partly on ST screw ups (2014 SEA game), partly turnovers (Lewis fumble against SF).

I have no squabble with saying Rodgers should have played better in the playoffs and I have no squabble with saying Mahomes makes the most of the roster he has, much like Brady playing with a lot of no-name WRs and Gronk. But to say it is all on Rodgers and it's because he wasn't humble like Mahomes doesn't sit will.

Was Brady humble? I don't know. Was Big Ben humber? I don't think so. Was either Manning humble? I don't know about that. I'm just tired of constant article bashing Rodgers over and over again. What is the friggin point?

When Love has won a Title then you can brag on his humility. I'll take Rodgers and a cocky playoff run that ends in a Lombardi.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 13, 2024 at 03:27 pm

Starting next year can we all forget and not mention mr. Rodgers again?? What is the point, the dude is gone to the Jets thank goodness....also this division is going to be better from top to bottom next year with Vikes getting a QB back and Detroit isn't going anywhere but getting better...the Packers and Love are no sure thing to win division or anything else next season...nothing is a given...hope the Packers draft some really good impact players not a bunch of projects...

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 13, 2024 at 05:11 pm

Who is this quarterback that the Vikings are getting back? Cousins is a free agent and injured, and they're fresh out of other options.

Detroit is over. The Bears are the Bears. The Vikings are cursed.

Honestly, next year is ALL about rubbing the Jet's faces in how stupid they were to give us two second round draft picks for a toxic narcissist who can't play a full season. Rejoice. Pass the popcorn.

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golfpacker1's picture

February 13, 2024 at 06:17 pm

I will admit that i was not thrilled with the Packers when they drafted Jordan Love. Even less thrilled when they traded up to get him. Although in reality we stole that trade up because it only cost us a 4th round pick to move up 4 spots. Whoever negotiated that deal is world class. I wouldn't trade #25 for only a 4th rounder.

Hell, we already had Aaron Freakin Rodgers, we needed a LB or WR, not a QB who will sit forever. I am happy to eat crow and admit I was wrong on that pick. I was even more disappointed when I looked up his stats. 20 TDs and 17 picks his last year. I thought Christ, GB could have sat still and picked him in the 3rd round.

When they first announced GB had made a trade, I thought like everyone probably did, that we were moving up for Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, or Michael Pittman. And I would have been fine with any of those three players, especially with only giving up a 4th rounder.

Alls well that ends well.

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SinceLombardi's picture

February 14, 2024 at 12:52 am

You are leaving out an important fact.. KC survived this year because of their defense. Something Rodgers didn’t have.

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Starrbrite's picture

February 15, 2024 at 06:50 pm

Absolutely Lombardi—the Chiefs were winning each week based on their D. Mahomes didn’t wake up until then end of the year and same with Kelce.

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