Cory's Corner: Aaron Rodgers Has Learned As Understudy

Rodgers has seen firsthand as to why he should stay in Green Bay. 

We learn from our mistakes right? 

So if that’s the case, then Aaron Rodgers has learned a thing or two from how things have gone with a certain quarterback that played before No. 12. 

Brett Favre took a lot of chances in his career but he finished his career No. 1 in picks with 336 — 59 more than second-place George Blanda. Favre tried to win the game with each throw and often got burned by taking unnecessary risks. 

Rodgers saw all that when he was Favre’s understudy for three years. He saw when Favre threw across his body into the middle of the field. He saw when Favre threw it up deep when he had the safe option wide open. He saw how deadly turnovers are, especially when Favre threw four picks in a wild card loss to Minnesota in 2005. 

But there’s also one more aspect. And it’s what most people remember most about Favre. In 2006, Favre began the waffling process about retirement. Two years later, he did in fact tearfully retire. However, four months later, he forced the Packers to release him which led him to get traded to the Jets and ultimately signed by the hated Vikings. 

Rodgers had a front row seat for all of those things. Rodgers saw the 2006 postgame interview against the Bears when Favre began to cry when he addressed his future. Rodgers saw how Favre forced the Packers hand and how he ultimately ended up in Minnesota. And he saw how the fan base was splintered — and still is — when that happened. 

I still think Favre is much more relatable as a person than Rodgers, but Rodgers has seen what hasn’t worked with a guy that Packers fans adored because he hunted, fished and was like 90 percent of Wisconsinites. 

Rodgers isn’t going anywhere because the time he spent carrying a clipboard, he learned more than how to perfect the back shoulder fade.

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:40 am

GREEN BAY PACKERS
Togetherness Photo Library
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Favre & Rodgers = STRONG
Rodgers & Love = EH, NOT SO MUCH

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:24 pm

Maybe now. But not when both were wearing the Green and Gold. Read Andrew Brandt's article at SI.com. He was a VP for the Packers during the Favre Rodgers era and he says they did not get along....very cold relationship.

He says even back then Rodgers was complaining why he wasn't starting. His agent back then was asking the front office "if you aren't going to play him, trade him!"

Then Favre would complain "how would you like to come to work every day with your replacement looking at you?"

Favre even replied to a reporter who asked him how he was working with Rodgers and he retorted "its not my job to coach him!"

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Coldworld's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:44 am

Absolutely and not hidden at the time or since denied.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:38 am

Yeah, LambeauPlain. I read the piece when it came out, and I know those stories... I just thought it was funny. Nothing more.

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mnbadger's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:46 am

We all have opinions Cory, and I appreciate yours. I'm sure he/agent told the Packers organization what he wants, whatever that beautiful mystery is. I've loved every part of having him on our side. But if we can get a butt load of high picks, a good player or two and cap relief, I say turn the page on June 1st and move on. As a Packer fan first, that's the most beautiful mystery to me. FAS! GPG!

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Savage57's picture

May 18, 2021 at 09:54 am

If the cost of retaining Rodgers is a longer term financial commitment to him where the Packers are assuming all the risk, it's too high.

For all of his talk about how he felt he was treated poorly as a rookie coming to Green Bay with a future 1st ballot HOF QB as the incumbent, he sure has behaved differently when the roles have been reversed.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:42 am

You're NOT KIDDING Savage57!

I heard RON WOLF talking about what is happening this morning. He thinks it is crazy, and that the QB has a defined role to play QB. They are NOT MANAGEMENT! He was overtly supportive of the Packers front office.

We should remember too that Brian Gutekunst is the GM fruit of that Ron Wolf tree. Don't think for a second Gutekunst hasn't consulted Wolf on this.

There is so much we don't know. I'm not going to flame Aaron Rodgers for what might be an important life choice for him, to not return to GB. I'm not going to flame management for all the ridiculous garbage flying around about communications, contract extensions, power shifting, added years, more money... blah blah blah. I really think all of that chatter is nothingness, because they are not options. AR is out.

Now, Gutekunst, Murphy and LaFleur are putting their heads together on their next moves for what is best for the team. I just wish them the best in the process. Go get 'em!!!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 19, 2021 at 04:16 am

I don't necessarily see any hypocrisy here. I know of no reports of animosity between AR and Jordan Love. It sounds like AR felt GB should not have drafted him to sit for three years - that's something which could derail a player's career. And possibly not compound it by hiring as the HC a guy who possibly supported drafting Alex Smith instead of AR.

It may be that AR (and GB) also grew tired of Favre's annual "I might retire" act which actually started prior to 2006 in private. Since AR has said he wants to play into his forties and for the Packers, the situation is different; perhaps he thinks GB should not have drafted Love.

I read the SI article. So Wolf said "Get off my tundra." Not a surprise. Wolf never liked the salary cap and free agency, though he used the latter well. He began his career as a scout in 1963.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:02 am

I really want Rodgers back behind center this season, but at what cost? If he wants more money and guarantees that put the Packers in extended cap hades through 2023 who will he play with...rookies and cheap FAs?

I am losing a lot of respect for Rodgers. He has been named the starter for 2021 for crying out loud. And if he plays well, he will be starting in 2022 as well.

The contract extension deal HE SIGNED in 2018 after his 6-9-1 season did have an out for the Packers in 2022. The Packers made Rodgers the highest paid NFL player in history at the time, after his 6-9-1 season! I would want an out too. There was no guarantee he thrive under Coach Matt's system. He did. So keep thriving and you will keep starting!

If not, the Pack can send you packing after this season and you can hand pick where you play next.

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jurp's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:31 pm

I want Rodgers under center this season, too - just with a different team. One that doesn't even SNIFF the Super Bowl.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:47 am

Your history is off, Cory.

The wild card loss to Minnesota followed the 2004 season and Rodgers was not yet on the team. Rodgers was drafted a few months later .

You’re still in Denial, Cory.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 18, 2021 at 07:00 am

Also, Favre wasn't released. He was traded to the Jets.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:32 am

IIRC he got the Jets to release him.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:17 am

Cory said Favre forced the Pack to release him (as a Packer) which led to a trade with the Jets. IE he was not cut.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:59 am

My gut tells me he will be back.

A few reasons is hearing he was disappointed that this news got out. If he was truly wanting out, I would think he would have wanted that news out. And after the news got out, his friends that he talks to came out nationally and said things like this is fixable. And then there was the Ian Rappaport report saying that Packers have offered him a big contract and they are talking.

Rodgers has talked about his legacy a quite a bit. He has talked about wanting to stay in GB his whole career. I think right now he knows he will not have great leverage then what he has right now so he has to use it to get what he wants. His leverage is that he just came off possibly his best year as a pro. Jordan Love, they really don't know that much about. No offseason, no preseason last year, he never suited up and basically ran the scout offense. For Rodgers to get what he wants (more long term plans in GB) now is the time to do what he has to do to get what he wants.

Lets be honest. If Rodgers misses all the camps up until training camp, does it really matter? He had an MVP year last year with no camps. Would it be better if he was there? Yes obviously. But at the end of the day, does it really, really matter? No.

My gut says Rodgers will be back. I could be wrong, but right now that is what my thinking is.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:05 am

Does it matter if your leader doesn’t show up? Yes.

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BrettGB's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:31 pm

That's where I'm at as well. Apparently there are reports that he has demanded a trade, but it feels really weird to me that Schefter would leave that fact out of his bombshell report on draft day if it were true. It seems to me like this is still a process, and he's currently unhappy. That's all. We have no idea how it's going to go. James Jones and John Kuhn saying they think it's fixable can not be ignored, neither can more grim reports of the situation. We simply don't know, and I frankly wouldn't be shocked at anything at this point.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

May 18, 2021 at 07:13 am

There's something else that may have motivated Rodgers to make his stand right now. We don't know if Love is any good. What if he tears it up in preseason and suddenly the Packers and the Packer base have a new darling? Rodgers will be playing 2021 with no leverage and knowing almost certainly he'll be traded at the end of the year. He doesn't want that unless it's on his terms. So he makes his play now, either trade me to a team I want to go to or give me a guarantee I'm here for the next three or four years. It's a smart play. It's a power play.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 18, 2021 at 07:55 am

Anyway there is a lot of options what are the reasons why Aaron Rodgers put the pressure on FO, but I, also, believe that his evaluation of Jordan Love is very favorable for young man, if not for this season, for the nearest future. That is why Aaron Rodgers started all those games: "I said I'll never play for Packers again! - I'm very upset that the news came out (sic! - that means the news are/were correct?) - I want Brian Gutekunst to be fired - I contacted some of my teammates asking them to join me - I'm very unhappy with Packers offer" etc...

I believe Packers made their line for Aaron. If you were not accept the deal or announce that you'll be the part of Packers team till, lets say 15 days before training camp, we will trade you and wish you all the best.

This trade talks are strange. We all knows that some individuals grow older gradually, others suddenly. Yesterday they were top, next day they are depleted, some physically, other mentally, some both at the same time. First to go is field of view, what makes QB progression to lasts longer, than reflexes (make your reaction for very short moments slower than you used to react), than strength, either in execution or in the resistance to the injuries. And so on... So, if you are expecting that you'll play in mid 40 that good as during 30 it is risky to believe in it. We might see Aaron Rodgers play for 5, 6, 7 years on high level (not highest), but we can also witness fall of the cliff already in this season. And than what?

We, Packers fans, believe we can get 3 or 4 first rounder for Aaron and some good to excellent young players, but I believe that we can be happy with one 1st rounder, few 2nd rounders and one or two good young players, not excellent ones, not first rounders.

Now, will we prepare to risk fall of the cliff and keep Aaron Rodgers, under his terms, or we prepare to risk he joins another franchise and there play another 5 to 7 season on high level.

What I truly believe that Aaron have 1 to 2 high level season and than cliff will come. There are some signs he is not as sharp as he was during his earlier carrier as starting QB.

Also, I believe that somehow Aaron feels the same and that is why he tries to secure for himself as much money as he can if the cliff will come after 1st or 2nd season.

For me this is selfish behavior, but, after reading many, many comments here, I understood majority believes that this behavior is OK. This is not I am judging you at all.
I understand we does not share completely same views and, honestly, we can discuss it forever who is more or less right about the opinions. I respect all of you, but I will stay with my opinion on this matter, however.

Thank you!

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dblbogey's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:37 pm

At the cost of hurting his Packers legacy, which certainly happened to Favre.

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BrettGB's picture

May 18, 2021 at 07:03 pm

That's a great thought. It's worth noting that Rodgers has seen Jordan Love in practice where many of us have not. He could see something in him that's forcing his own hand so to speak.

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nostradanus's picture

May 18, 2021 at 07:33 am

Rodgers isn’t going anywhere, he’s got a great situation in GB, his buddies are in GB, the band is back together, he just wants commitment from GB management.
SUPER BOWL

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Turophile's picture

May 18, 2021 at 09:00 am

The Packers seem unwilling to give Rodgers the longer-term comittment he wants, and given his age I can understand that.

Most players don't get to choose their fates at the end, even Joe Montana had to cope with Steve Young on the same team (49ers) for several years, and he played out his last two years with the Chiefs.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:52 am

Making him the highest paid player in NFL history in 2018 after a 6-9-1 season was a rather generous commitment in my book.

Paying him almost a $ quarter BILLION since his rookie year seems to be a decent commitment too.

How about honoring a commitment he made and signed?

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NickPerry's picture

May 19, 2021 at 05:31 am

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

May 18, 2021 at 07:51 am

So, was Cory purposely getting his "Favre facts" wrong just to see if we fans are paying attention?

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whysoserious's picture

May 18, 2021 at 08:02 am

At this point I do not want Rodgers back. I don't want a player leading my team that you are basically begging to play for you. They have flown out multiple times to see him and apparently offered him financial incentives to appease his frustrations. This is not enough as he wants "guarantees" that he will be the guy for the next few years. If some or all of this is not true then Aaron is free to set the record straight. I am not even sure what type of guarantee he is looking for. This is football. Football is a tough sport and careers end quickly, especially when you are going to be turning 38 during the season and have had injuries in the past.

What happens if they give in to his demands and guarantee him whatever he wants and extend his contract and whatever else they need to do? Who has control now? It is not the FO or the head coach. Aaron is now the man and he will know it. Now you are entering NBA territory where the player has more say than anyone else. Aarons passive aggressiveness will get worse when he doesn't get the things he wants like say a below average receiver like JK or a coach he likes that the team wants replaced or maybe a player on the team that is past his prime like Jordy?

Aaron is a great quarterback but this is a team sport and as was pointed out recently, since 1994 the Super bowl winning quarterback has never taken up more than 13.1% of a teams salary cap. Not saying it can't be done but history is against Aaron and his nearly 20% of the cap.

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HarryHodag's picture

May 18, 2021 at 08:12 am

Rodgers has two options: show up or retire. If he shows up he could be a locker room cancer.

The Packers have an option: trade him. But the price would likely be too steep and the cap hit enormous.

I guess $240 million dollars can't buy happiness.

I suspect Rodgers' new flame might like him to be more West Coast than Green Bay.

The Packers will have a team this fall, full of really good players. I'm a Packers fan, not a Rodgers fan.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:19 pm

If a trade happens, I would hope it would be mostly all draft picks. 3 first rounders and 2 seconds and a 3rd for next 3 drafts...and the best DL player on the trade partner's roster.

Out of cap hades and top picks on rookie contracts to boot. Our future would be so bright, we would have to wear a welders shield.

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dobber's picture

May 18, 2021 at 08:19 am

Moving on....

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Since'61's picture

May 18, 2021 at 08:54 am

A cookie for the John Oliver reference! Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 09:05 am

Restructuring/extending his contract appears to not be an option. At all.

Take as much as you possibly can in trade to better your team and go for it. The trade terms in prospective deals will only go up the closer we get to the June 1st date when his cap hit decreases. All of the speculation is likely meaningless. There will be wild trade proposals, and some lesser. The eventual price paid for another team to acquire him will probably be in that middle ground.

As a fan, I'm just accepting that he doesn't want to play for us, and hoping the Packers get a good trade package when it is all said and done. Admittedly, I have more faith in Jordan Love being able to take us to another SB win this year, with zero fear. LaFleur is a smart guy who will put him in the very best situations to succeed. With the weapons this team has, nearly everywhere??? We are built to make the run, even if we have a young QB who is smart enough and in tune with his HC to simply be a solid game manager. His talents may be realized as a passer with the experience & confidence brought with each and every game Jordan Love plays.

Line 'em up and let's go.

Hoping we get some good players to plug & play, and we give this season our best. We should realize new cap space in the process to add another key player or two for a legit run. Those picks in return ought to help our team immensely in the coming years. Stay positive and see what the kid can do.

Go Pack Go!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:29 am

Favre's dead money was $1.4M - less than one percent of that year's cap - per OTC.

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:06 pm

Bet- If #4 came back. He could out play Love.

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justjan's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:23 pm

How brave. Especially since we will never know the answer.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:30 pm

Bet: if you stop posting nonsense, you win!

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:39 pm

Ok- lets trade Rodgers for 2 #ones. Miss the play offs. And keep losing for the next 25 years. Oh thats right, you can subtract 10 already. 15 to go slick thinker.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:14 pm

OK...the bet is off.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:44 am

Since we all know nothing is going to happen before June 2nd, how about we request the writers and the CHTV owner(s) to cease and desist in allowing the perpetual Rodgers 'Wheel of Fortune' to continue spinning until the spinning the wheel will possibly offer some legit prizes to be won or a bankruptcy results.

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Coldworld's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:52 am

I think it’s optimistic to think this will resolve fast after June 1. I don’t think the chances are great that a trade will happen. Maybe 30 percent. If not, this can run and run unless Rodgers backs down or the team caves, which it shouldn’t. This is a needless drama created by Rodgers for Rodgers benefit alone.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:11 am

I didn't say anything would happen fast, but that nothing will happen until after June 2nd, and that any realistic prizes for Rodgers in a trade or the FO landing on a bankruptcy deal will begin to show one way or another. When the outcome of that spin comes about is the question, and the constant regurgitation of baseless spittle until at least June 2nd is unnecessary.

Besides, using the word 'optimistic' to describe anything I say goes against all that is holy here at CHTV.
: )

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packmann's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:20 am

"baseless spittle"

That's pretty funny!

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Johnblood27's picture

May 19, 2021 at 07:23 am

Add in "regurgitation of" said "baseless spittle" and the turn of a phrase becomes classic prose.

Cookie for Taryn.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:33 am

I like what you're saying. Agree it is an exhausting wheel spinning the unknown. That being said, I don't mind CHTV jumping in with the rest of ALL MEDIA in popping these pieces out for their engagements, which helps them stay alive.... maybe... (imagines Corey Beinke & Aaron Nagler nodding and thinking something like, "yeah, this is fucking mint alright, if only you knew...") Probably doesn't make much but it can't hurt.

CHTV provides a great place for Packers fans to knock this stuff around, and if it doesn't happen here, it will happen somewhere else. The topic is too white hot for fans of the Packers to not engage.

Spittle = $pittle

$houlder $hrug...

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:33 pm

As you continue to comment on the matter.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:58 pm

I requested that it cease to some degree and fill it with other topics, I didn't say I wouldn't continue to comment.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:11 pm

Nor, should you...

Hell, this one is a real MF. I was floored on draft day. I recovered quickly though, because that's what I do. Been on this asinine quest to help other fans understand Aaron is dug in.

I tried staying away, and it keeps sucking me back in. I like your idea of other topics, 100%.

"So, tell us, Joe Fortunado... what makes you tick?"

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fastmoving's picture

May 19, 2021 at 02:33 am

Help other fans to understand.........what I cant understand! that was really a good one.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:17 pm

So you are complaining about what you do...got it.

Please check the landing page....many other topics there for you.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 19, 2021 at 07:25 am

Personally, I don't mind the taste of my own spittle...

I just don't like others spittle being forced upon me!

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:06 pm

I agree. And here is what disappoints me. Rodgers knows the Packers are cap strapped...in no small measure caused by his 2018 contract extension.

For a team he supposedly loves, he sure has a strange way of showing it.

Sorry Davante. If your good buddy is successful extending the Packers cap hades, no gold for you!

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Leatherhead's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:24 pm

I think it’s already happened.

To me, this reads like an “accidental shooting”. You know, somebody (Rodgers) gets shot accidentally. The gun didn’t load itself, it didn’t chamber a round by itself, it didn’t point itself, and it didn’t pull the trigger by itself. Yet the story invariably reads “he was shot when the gun accidentally discharged”

None of this happens if Rodgers says, publicly, that he’s looking forward to coming back this year. So no, none of this is an accident; it’s all part of a chain of events that ends badly.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 19, 2021 at 04:46 am

I suppose a deal in principle could be reached and leaked prior to June. Denver's OTAs start May 24-27; AR could attend if not participate. Minicamp isn't until June 15th, so not the biggest rush.

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Packers0808's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:46 am

One thing I never see about this whole Rodgers fiasco is if he misses the whole camp, [maybe this is what he wants to spend more time with his new chickee] won't they have to change much of the playbook to be able to use Loves strengths? And if they do will it change much and then Rodgers comes back won't team be out of sinc learning new playbook for Loves strengths. What then happens when prima dona returns, seeing there will be some new O linemen for sure! {Just some random thoughts here]

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NJMagic's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:39 am

This is 100% my concern, TS wrote a great piece on MLF's conundrum. What offense does he install??

We can't pretend the one for Love will be the same as the one for Rodgers.

Even with last year's lack of on-field work, the foundation for the concepts for the season is set in the off season installs particularly for the rookies.

AR is very much screwing up the foundation GBP would need to succeed this year (Even if he returns), particularly with the need for early success based on our schedule.

If he glares even once at amari or Myers for a mistake, I hope they all turn to point out he wasn't here putting in the work.

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Rebecca's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:26 pm

“ [maybe this is what he wants to spend more time with his new chickee] “. “chickee”, really? Okay Dick-ee!

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Packers0808's picture

May 18, 2021 at 05:22 pm

Okay REPECKY! Grow up Diva Girlee! Ok Gruntee, sorry to hurt your little feelings!

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Johnblood27's picture

May 19, 2021 at 07:28 am

Is that bra smoke I smell?

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packmann's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:27 pm

This is another part of the AR story that is difficult to understand because of his legacy and the value he places on it. Do you suppose he ever looks in the mirror and says "Whoa, I'm acting just like Brett Favre!"

For the record, Brett Favre is my all time favorite QB! He made the game FUN! Well, except for that time he threw 6 picks in that playoff game against the Rams. ;-)

I want AR as my QB but I too "am a Packers fan, not a Rodgers fan."

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:45 pm

Brett Favre is my all time favorite QB!

Over Bart Starr?

I would have to give the nod to Bart who was a super player and a super person. There aren't many Hall of Fame quarterbacks who had just won a world championship and yet took the time to talk to a snotty nosed kid like me and yet he did it.

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packmann's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:24 pm

Bart Starr is a Packer legend but unfortunately I was too young to watch him play. Brett Favre just made the game fun on Sundays and you always felt like we had a shot to win the game!

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 18, 2021 at 04:19 pm

Bart was a friend of my dad's and I was with my dad one time and we were talking to Bart and he spent about 20 minutes talking to me as if I were an equal to him. Of course, he then made a fan for life. I know much more about him during a few meetings and he is very bright and articulate, plus he is a gentleman in the truest sense. I wish every guy on this website would have had a chance to meet him in person. Reggie White was another very nice man although I didn't know him personally and only witnessed in person some of the kind things he did.

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packmann's picture

May 18, 2021 at 04:33 pm

Priceless!

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:44 am

Sweat soaked Rodgers nightmare:

Phone rings. "Hello, this is Aaron."

"Hi Aaron. Brian here. Say, in an effort to improve my communication with you, I wanted to make sure you heard this from me first. We are able to meet your trade demand. You and Jordan Love have been traded to Jacksonville for Trevor Lawrence."

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packmann's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:49 am

Make it happen!

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:46 am

His teammates will welcome him with open arms. He wants to win. Gute and Murphy don't. Screw Love. The drafts don't go with the logic. And thats all there to this. He'll take the Guaranteed money. But Rodgers wants the fame and the endorsements more. ( That come with winning. ) He's remained in the public eye, just for that reason. Donating money, playing golf in/for charities, and even jeopardy. This is another PR mess. It's another power struggle. It's another twisting of truths. All to make the fans think they'll be the real losers if Rodgers demands are met. I can't blame Rodger's if he retires. I can blame management for hurting the others. For letting this happen. Players peak and regress. But their here to Win. Were all peanuts in the gallery. The packers are Americas team, because of us. Not them. If Rodgers retires. Fire them all.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 11:56 am

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

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dobber's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:00 pm

SHE still in the red...

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Since'61's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:22 pm

Stockholder - it's all about regime change. The new regime wants their guy or at least Gutekunst does. When they drafted Love I posted that as soon as the Packers can find an excuse they will move on Rodgers because new regimes want their guys. It no longer matters how well you do your job or have done your job in the past. It only matters that you are one of the new regime's guys. I saw this for years in Corporate America and we've seen this before in Green Bay. Wolf/Holmgren with Favre, TT and MM with Rodgers. Now Gute with Love.

Remember the stadium is sold out even if the Packers go 0-17 with Love for the next 3 seasons. Money first, that takes care of Murphy. Cleaning up the salary cap mess that Gute/Ball created is second. They gave Rodgers his contract, they signed the Smiths, Amos and resigned Bak, A. Jones and others. Third is MLF, he will take the hit if Love busts. Fourth are the players. They take the physical risks if the team wins or loses. Last and always least are the fans. We are not even part of the equation at any level.

The Packers are not even considering their own HCs input in this matter. MLF has been clear about wanting Rodgers back as the Packers QB. But the beat goes on.

We'll find out in June if even MLF's input matters to Gute. But it's all good because as Murphy proclaimed "We're not idiots." Thanks, Since '61

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:10 pm

True, I saw it too. But shouldn't someone be fired for putting everybody through this twice?

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Since'61's picture

May 18, 2021 at 04:27 pm

Firing someone would require Murphy to admit a mistake. Then he could not stand behind his “We’re not Idiots.”

They will put us through this as often as they want. In a cloistered organization maintaining the cloister is the priority, especially when the money keeps coming in without accountability for the results.

If they thought they would be held accountable for the results do you think they would be pushing Rodgers out the door?
Thanks, Since ‘61

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flackcatcher's picture

May 18, 2021 at 05:55 pm

Mark Murphy can not be blamed for this '61. This is all on Rodgers. He signed the deal, he got what he wanted. The Packers have fulfilled their end of the contract. Rodgers has nothing to complain about. This has always been Rodgers realizing he is at the end of his career. That's all this is about. He needs to decide how he wants to go out, or the Packers will do it for him. And all the rest, is spin.

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Since'61's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:42 pm

I’m not blaming Murphy. I’m just saying that with a sold out stadium and TV revenue and other revenue sources Murphy has nothing to worry about as long as the money keeps rolling in.

He’s not going to jeopardize that by firing someone since he put Gute into the GM job and he arranged for Ball
to report directly on him.

These situations are never all on one side or the other. There is plenty of blame to go around between management and Rodgers. Rodgers wants to stay in Green Bay beyond 2021. Th Packers want to move on from Rodgers after 2021. He wants a commitment from the team before the 2021 season.

We’ll have the Packers answer in June, I hope. Until then it’s all spin as you correctly point out. But there is blame on both sides or we would not have reached this point or we would have a resolution by now. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:25 pm

The Stockholm Syndrome. Rather walk the trails in autumn than watch Packertown's 2021 squad w/out # 12.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:42 pm

boo. NEVER.

You CLEARLY weren't here rooting for our team in the late 60s and all through the 70s and 80s...

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

Carry the G. Wherever you go. What? Were you going to quit being a Packer fan after Aaron Rodgers retired??? Really???

Are you seriously going to be a Bronco fan now? Is that how it is for you?

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:45 pm

How many followed Brady out of NE. Gronk? Not to mention a 1/2 million Michigan wolverine fans.

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Coldworld's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:27 pm

How many followed Favre? Quite a few at the time. It’s not uncommon to be a fan of the QB not the team. There are plenty around this time, just less open about it than last time.

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nostradanus's picture

May 18, 2021 at 09:50 pm

Agreed Green & Gold, you can’t enjoy the highest of highs if you don’t experience the lowest of lows.

I have a buddy that is a “Bears” fan, but every time they start sucking (which is always) he switches to his alternative teams (colts & raiders) I’m like dude, come on stick with your team through thick& thin.

Get on the Packers train or get off man!

Go Pack

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 10:19 pm

Atta’ boy! nostradanus, we paid for those decades. I cannot imagine, nor will I... Packers all the way.

Lived in Arizona for a long time. One year my sister bought me tickets to a Cardinals/Redskins game for my birthday. Gave them to my friend Carlos so he could take his son...

All great intents aside, I was like, “What the fuck am I going to do with these?”

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croatpackfan's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:08 pm

After weeks of reading your posts, I started to suspect are you at all Packers fan or you just try to troll us all. You do not care what will happen with franchise, you just trying to add salt on the wound.

Pretty pitty!

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:12 pm

packer fan for life.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:32 pm

"He wants to win. Gute and Murphy don't."

If I hear the "Gute doesn't want to win" garbage one more time, I swear my head will explode. What happens to GMs of teams that don't win? They get fired. So you're suggesting that Gute is hoping to get fired? That makes about as much sense as the rest of your confusing, rambling posts that nobody seems to understand besides you.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:05 pm

Gute doesn't want to win.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:12 pm

Who are you? Slim Whitman???

Ack. Ack. Ack-Ack!... BOOM!!!!

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:26 pm

Of course he doesn't. What GM in their right mind wants his team to win games?

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Leatherhead's picture

May 18, 2021 at 04:04 pm

Beat me to it, Taryn.

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:33 pm

I'm suggesting it was for the GLORY of GUTE. Winning the division is all he cared about. Winning the super-bowl is the coaches. Making money is Murphys. If you think the Packers aren't at Fault in this. Think again.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 19, 2021 at 07:36 am

Could you change your screen name to "badopinionholder"? Just to serve as a warning to anyone who might actually consider reading your "Regurgitation of Baseless Spittle"?

If you cannot find a place to assign at least some blame on Rodgers for this mess your perspective is irretrievably broken.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 18, 2021 at 12:55 pm

I understand those who just say move on because of what they believe to be wrongdoing by Rodgers. Those who are of this mindset please tell me how'd you feel if this happened to you, and please leave the finances out of the answer.

You have worked for a company for 15 years and have contributed much to that company and you're constantly heralded as the MVP of the company. Then one day the owner comes in with another person you know not of and the owner tells you he is your replacement but he doesn't know when it may occur, next week, month, year. Then the owner realizes that this replacement isn't ready or able to take your place as hoped. What you do.

I would tell the owner to either give me a substantial raise to continue being your MVP or give me my severance to go be an MVP elsewhere for another owner and even if I'm not the MVP, at least I'm not forcing myself to like who I work for because that's just being miserable doing something you love.

I cannot help but feel Rodgers knows how far away Love is from being anywhere near ready to replace him and dictate serious thought by the FO to make the move.

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whysoserious's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:37 pm

I would hope I would look at it with perspective. Perspective that this is a replacement league, a young mans game. Rodgers was once drafted to replace an all-time great. The Packers also drafted many other quarterbacks during Favre's tenure including Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck who became pro-bowlers and even went to a Super Bowl. If Favre hadn't retired Rodgers may have sat on the bench for another season.

Rodgers has three years left on a contract he was more than happy to sign. He also knew that at a certain point this contract would make it easier for the Packers to move on. If you are on a job where you sign a contract like this you shouldn't be complaining when all the guaranteed money has been paid to you and you are now more vulnerable to be replaced. Suck it up and honor your contract. Force the Packers to keep Love on the bench until your contract is up.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:48 pm

Well said!

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Johnblood27's picture

May 19, 2021 at 07:39 am

My Goodness! You are serious!

All I can say to your post is... DITTO!

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Rebecca's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:38 pm

And besides, the Packers need Rodgers this year more than he needs the Packers. Anyway, if I was in this position I might think this is a good time to move on. The Packers organization disregarded his feelings when they took the Love pick. I’d feel the same way because it looks like the Packers have moved on from Rodgers but want to hold on to him for 1 more season, maybe two/three more seasons. I would sit on this for awhile and let the company men at Lambeau figure out something creative, but that won’t happen.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:40 pm

I have to say, in retrospect, Favre handled the Rodgers pick more professionally and maturely than Rodgers has with the Love pick.

All about "feelings" after being the highest paid NFL player in 2018 AFTER a 6-9-1 season and being paid close to $250,000,000 from the mean spirited, dictators in Green Bay.

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packergal's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:45 pm

Taryn,

Interesting post.

However, if this happened in Corporate America, most would NOT WAIT ONE FULL YEAR later to respond.

He/she might have the discussion immediately and/or look for work elsewhere, then resign.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 18, 2021 at 09:02 pm

Perhaps Passive-Aggressive people hold grudges and think long and hard on the revenge if they believe it warranted.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:09 pm

This is a great take. 100%.

Contracts in the NFL have ALWAYS had the wink-wink "Not For Long" thing attached to them. No doubt. That is not just a Packers problem, but an NFL problem.

Cap restrictions force teams into these predicaments. Here we are, looking to finish off a 3 year set of legitimate runs at the Super Bowl, and we lose our reigning MVP QB before we can get the 3rd attempt off the ground. Why?

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Fabio's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:18 pm

I agree 100% Taryns. I add a little reflection ....
Gute wants to switch from AR, that's his right, I might disagree, but that's part of the game. Everyone says he did what TT did with Favre, but the reality is that TT chose the second Q up to that point (mostly a first choice perspective overall), while Gute chose the fourth Q (considered by all to a second round). The biggest problem though is that Gute had to expect this reaction from AR (I hope he knew the AR character). Instead he had absolutely not planned !!!
The worst thing is that all of this was already known in January. If he wanted to switch from AR he could have swapped it so he could probably get the best Draft picks (not like the ones we're going to have right now) to pick better players. This is a very negative management aspect that no one currently tends to emphasize

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:33 pm

I don't think you nor I know anything factual about this issue except for the fact Rodgers has 3 years remaining on a deal that paid him millions guaranteed on day one. Those are facts.

i recall how his smile was painted broad across his face at the time.

Now that deal he signed makes him all peeved and angry and full of resentment...because of a draft pick, about which he said last summer "I have reconciled Love's selection. I have put it behind me."

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Fabio's picture

May 19, 2021 at 02:06 am

Some things are certain and not guesses:
1 - Gute wants to switch from AR in 2022 (it's his faculty)
2 - AR wants him to blow up his plans (it is also his faculty for him)
3 - The thing has been known since JANUARY !!!! (confirmed by all parties)
4 - Gute hadn't foreseen it (VERY SERIOUS !!!) and he didn't have a plan
These are facts and not my assumptions
It is not for me to say who is right (if Gute wanting to trade or AR wanting to blow everything), my thoughts go only to the team and I think that a GM must foresee the consequence of their choices (in this case Love) which in this case it is all too evident that it is not there. I hope you reflect on this which is much more important than what the two sides did

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:23 pm

Are you confusing Rodgers with Favre? Maybe Montana with a younger Young looking over his shoulder?

If Rodgers actually knows how far away Love is from being ready to start, he has nothing to worry about, does he?

So his hold out is all about saving the franchise from themselves? He, Is. Already. Named. The. 2021. Starter.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 18, 2021 at 03:45 pm

Ron Wolf: "You are a member of the Green Bay Packers until I find somebody better."

I worked in the corporate world for many years. We were always looking for new talent for bus. Then the objective is to get them in the right seats. If you are not looking to get better with new talent...you are entering the world of hubris. Hubris often precedes the fall.

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Since'61's picture

May 18, 2021 at 05:11 pm

Taryn this is a good post. I'm thinking that this situation has been looked at incorrectly. We know that Rodgers has said on a few occasions that he wants to finish his career with the Packers. He also commented off camera to Tirico at the Kentucky Derby that he loves Green Bay and Packer fans.

It could be that Rodgers wants guarantees because he sees it coming together in Green Bay. He sees that this team is close and that the Packers can make it to the SB either 2021 or 2022 or 2023. Maybe he wants to remain with the Packers to be part of it. We don't know what he is negotiating for. We've heard that he has been offered to become the highest paid QB and turned it down. So it's not just money. The gap between the 2 parties must be over guarantee to remain in Green Bay. I would give him 3 years but with an opt out for either party in year 3.

I believe that Rodgers would trade money for a guarantee to remain with the Packers. Now if he wants more than 3 years that is a different story. If he wants more than that then I would tell him that we go one year at a time after the next 2 seasons. That's the most I would do.

All of this may be irrelevant if a trade is already done but whatever happens it needs to get done in June before we get to TC. But I still believe that Rodgers would prefer to stay with the Packers rather than go. Thanks, Since '61

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jurp's picture

May 19, 2021 at 09:20 am

Kind of happened to me - CEO was sold a pack of lies by someone who was in danger of losing his job and wanted me replaced by the liar. My own CIass A exec boss didn't want me gone at all, but found a way to keep me until AFTER the calendar year was over (I was then eligible for a 30% bonus). I was was laid off three weeks into the new year, with a severance package.

As in most/every corporation, I had NO SAY in my fate - it turned out relatively well for me only because my performance merited loyalty from my boss to me, and he protected me for the three months needed for me to get a large extra bonus on top of my severance.

Unlike us common folks, Rodgers is under a well-compensated contract. He needs to:
1. Deny all reports that say he wants to leave/fire Gute/get unspecified guarantees.
2. Say that he's a Packer for life or until his contract runs out.
3. Say he's more than happy with his contract.
4. Show up for all OTAs
5. Speak well of the team, its FO, the fans, and Love.

Can you imagine the CFO of Coca-Cola saying their contract sucks and that they want "guarantees" that they'll be with the corp for the rest of their career? That person would be fired immediately.

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Packers0808's picture

May 18, 2021 at 02:18 pm

Keep Rodgers happy trade him up and up to Dallas for Prescott! Reunion with McCarthy would be hilarious as Hell!

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stockholder's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:44 pm

Don't Laugh. Dallas had a great draft.. Rodgers and MM just might be all in on that. I predict the cowboys will make the playoffs. Two of the best ILBs in the draft. @2 CBs. And I'll bet Joseph makes the All Rookie team. @ 2 DTs.

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greengold's picture

May 19, 2021 at 04:58 am

For the LOVE OF AARON RODGERS, CAN WE LET HIM GO???

Imagine the love of his life can’t live half the year in Green Bay, Wisconsin. It is logistically impossible being as remote as Green Bay is, nor is it conducive to their lifestyle together. Aaron doesn’t hate the team, the City of Green Bay, nor Jordan Love.

He LOVES Packer fans. He LOVES Green Bay. He LOVES the Packers. He simply LOVES his fiancée Shailene Woodley more.

That’s love.

Has ANYONE thought for one second that he realized he couldn’t do a restructure, because of this personal part of his life, because he needs to leave Green Bay?

Imagine he hasn’t said anything for fear of backlash. I’ve always held Packer fans to a higher standard of excellence. The G on the helmet stands for GREATNESS. Remember that, stop with all the talk that he’s coming back because he is not, and he cannot.

Stop vilifying him and the Packers Front Office. Do you understand that they all are trying to accommodate him? REMOVE THE MACHISMO. Think about Aaron Rodgers, the player you’ve loved watching for more than a decade. Then think about the man, and allow him to do what he needs to do, without backlash. Show him that respect. He helped win you & I a Super Bowl. He hasn’t spoken because he can’t now. Pumping this false narrative of his return doesn’t help the situation.

The more of us fans who can accept this and support both AR - and - the team, THE GREEN BAY PACKERS, the better. Media everywhere is pounding them for their “mistakes.” Well, they happen to be one of THE smartest & winningest franchises in all of sports, ready to make one of the biggest trades in the history of sports.

THE PLAN likely would have worked. Plans change. Because of the Packers’ planning, having a Jordan Love already on the team with one year in system, is uncanny, and that ultimate achievement for the team remains within reach. What team does that? It’s FREAKING BRILLIANT, and only the Packers & the 49ers Bill Walsh comes to mind. GREATNESS.

Let this play out, and let him go. I love Aaron Rodgers, a great player & a good man. I want what is best for he, his future family, AND THE GREEN BAY PACKERS.

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nostradanus's picture

May 18, 2021 at 09:55 pm

Well said

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greengold's picture

May 19, 2021 at 05:09 am

Seriously, thank you bud! It’s not an easy thing to broach in public, being football fans, but this is real life. Players are people too. Been trying for weeks to share this scenario as the most likely.

Can you imagine the Packers? Gutekunst, LaFleur & Murphy, looking at each other like... “WHAT?!?!” Then they likely rolled up their sleeves to see how they could ALL MOVE FORWARD as best they could. The Packers are going to make out BIGTIME! Aaron Rodgers is forever a part of our legacy.

They’re also looking out for Aaron’s interests, and no one wants her vilified. Bet he’s freaked out about that a bit. I respect the fuck out of the Packers FO. Sure, they do what a lot of teams do in how they use contracts, but, that’s NFL. No, they are not perfect, but they try.

What I’m getting at is the Packers Front Office is made up of good, quality people of character. They’re trying to do what is best & appropriate.

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fastmoving's picture

May 19, 2021 at 02:37 am

Yeah, thats really a good post.....you nailed it.

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THESZOTMAN1's picture

May 18, 2021 at 07:50 pm

This QB mess won't be decided before early June and probably not until much later (Nags says 3rd preseason game --- end of August). In the meantime, instead of frettin ourselves to death about that, how about we make a plan to ... wait for it... RUN THE BALL! That's what the Pack did in '72 --- hand the ball off to Brockington and Lane 40 times a game. Almost 2000 yds rushing between them. Are Jones and Dillon that good? --- I believe they are! Can our OL be road graders like Bowman and company? --- Why not? --- We got solid returnees and 2 years worth of draftees and free agents to build a line just as good. God knows O-linemen LOVE to run-block (McCarren says it all the time). So let's give 'em what they want.
And finally, if this all works out, play action will work like a charm --------------------------- whoever is under center.
SZOTMAN

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 08:20 pm

SZACTLY, SZOTMAN! RUN TO DAYLIGHT.

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baldski's picture

May 19, 2021 at 12:40 am

There is tape out there somewhere in the ethernet of a interview where Chris Sims is walking alongside Arod at a golf tournament and Aaron tells Chris how much he learned just by watching Favre.

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greengold's picture

May 19, 2021 at 03:57 am

Funny you mention that, baldski, because Davante Adams mentioned the same thing, only now about how Jordan Love was a really hard worker and “a sponge,” out there, watching everything Aaron was doing.

Pretty damn cool.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 19, 2021 at 07:48 am

I hope Love is not watching Aaron now...

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