Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Post NFL Draft

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Well, well well. that was a DRAFT, wasn't it? Days one and two brought players at three positions I expected them to bring in, but not until later rounds. Then of course there was the shocker of all shockers, a quarterback taken in Round one with future Hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers still under contract for four more seasons. And they even TRADED up to get their guy! The merits of the trade and pick have been debated ad nauseam here and elsewhere, so I'm not going to rehash all of that. Instead, let's do what we usually do here, explore some more subtle topics.

DL With time to digest all that went down this last weekend, I have to say perhaps the biggest surprise to me was that the Packers did not draft a DL that could help against the run. But then again, previous to the draft, I had no greater disappointment than the Packers not bringing in one of the reasonably priced free agent DL that were available. But hold on..., a few days before the draft, the Packers claimed DL Gerald Willis off waivers from the Dolphins. While it seems like a roster filler move, perhaps it's more than that. Willis had a series of disciplinary issues and injuries during his college career, which contributed to him being undrafted in 2019. But Willis has shown talent and potential in spurts and was the #11 ranked DL in the 2019 CHTV Draft Guide. He could turn out to be a worthwhle development project, something a mid to later round DL draftee would be anyway. Gutey could still look to pick up a future camp cut from another team, but I have a feeling that this is his DL "draft pick" for 2020.

WR Yeah I was shocked. As every pick approached, I quickly compiled a list of the best WR available and decided which one would surely be the Packer's pick. That didn't go so well.  I did this through round five and then just gave up. I still expected a throwaway WR pick over the last two rounds - but Gutey could even throw us a bone at the back end of the draft. But the Packers did add WR Devin Funchess, who perhaps Gutey believed would be a bigger 2020 contributor than any WR he chose, especially when the WR's the Packers coveted likely kept going off the board before their picks. Instead of reaching, Gutey stood pat. Honestly, I'm not really happy about it. It was my contention that the Packers HAD to select a WR in the early rounds. So much for my feelings...

OL Change is a coming, people. Not in 2020, but definitely in 2021. With Corey Linsley and Lane Taylor  on the final years of their contract and Billy Turner looking like he's kind of overpaid at this point, the interior OL is a logical place to free up cap money that will be needed in 2021 to make room for the extensions that Kenny Clark and David Bakhtiari will have signed. As is the Packers way, they drafted a couple of college tackles that will move inside at the Pro Level but could still handle backup tackle duties if needed. I know little about Hansen, but he or Lucas Patrick could be in contention to take Linsley's spot. Of these three, I say don't sleep on Stepaniak. He'll likely start the season on PUP, as he is still recovering from an ACL injury in December. Once he's fully recovered, what you'll get is a physical, nasty player that would help if the Packers are indeed heading toward a more power running attack. When I watch his film, I see a young TJ Lang. It took Lang a couple of years to find himself, and the same will likely be true for Stepaniak. I'm not as high on Runyan, but he does carry less risk than Stepaniak, and would be the more likely of the two to be used as an emergency backup tackle.

RB With Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams in contract years, it was no surprise the Packers drafted a running back. What was a surprise to me was that is was in the second round and for a player I really wasn't that familiar with. Although Gutey denied it, drafting a beefy running back like Dillon along with an H-back and some beefy interior linemen sure point to a new direction in Green Bay. And if we're talking about a more balanced offense with running the ball a bit more, extending drives and keeping opposing offenses off the field, I'm all for it. In too many games the Packers' defense was worn out as the offense stalled. 

The 2020 Draft - This draft will likely prove to be an historic one for the Packers. Either historically good, as the Packers find their next franchise quarterback and develop a dynamic multi-faceted offensive scheme for the rest of the decade, or historical bad, as the risks taken in this draft derail a team that was a game away from the Super Bowl last year. If you had to pick one of those scenarios right now, which would you predict for the Packers' future?

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Packers0808's picture

April 30, 2020 at 07:19 am

On another front I see former Packer Breeland is being charged by the law on multiple charges! Maybe this office and coach really know what they are doing and character is a big part of their act! My belief is this draft class picked is going to be a sleeper group and prove better than most think!

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murf7777's picture

April 29, 2020 at 07:46 am

If history repeats itself as people say and let’s face it we have similar management at the helm, then h*ll yes, it will be historically good.

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Boneman's picture

April 29, 2020 at 06:35 am

I'm over my shock and disappointment. As a Packer fan I am hoping for the best and you have to remember that drafts don't ever work out the way you expect nor do they have the impact that all the hype would suggest. Last year we had two players significantly contribute (Savage & Jenkins) and only Jenkins played at a high level. This year I expect we'll have two more, with our 2nd and 3rd picks being system picks and will get playing time for sure. It's still hard to wrap my head around the Love pick. Great potential and all that, I get it. Upgrade as a backup though, as many rationalize? Not this year if you believe all the development needs stories. The timing just doesn't work out either, with Rogers having 4 years left on his contract. We got incredibly lucky that Rogers turned out to be a HOF QB. To expect lightening to strike twice in exactly the same way seems arrogant and foolhardy. Nevertheless, heres to dreaming big!

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murf7777's picture

April 29, 2020 at 07:49 am

Actually, it would be lightning striking 3 times. Wolf also took a very big gamble trading a number 1 pick for a gunslinger named Favre.

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PeteK's picture

April 29, 2020 at 07:50 am

"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it", who's this guy Ted Thompson everybody talks about?

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taarons420's picture

April 29, 2020 at 08:44 am

Rodgers may have 4 years left on his contract... but he may not have 4 years left in his body.
Regardless of what he says/wants - Rodgers playing well at age 40+ is a stretch.

People are making the drafting of Love too complicated.
I don't believe there's any vitriol, drama, or secret plan involved.
It think it's as simple as... Gute and MLF saw a qb they think can be great. That player was within their reach. QB is the most important position in sports. So they picked him.

Passing on a potential franchise quarterback (even with the odds stacked against it happening - 3 in a row would be bonkers) to draft a #3wr, #2ilb, or #3ot would be silly.

Losing the 4th hurt - probably prevented them from being able to move up in r2 for a wr they liked. But they knew that was a possibility when they made the trade. They, simply, decided that they didn't want to risk missing on a player they really really really liked.

If Rodgers is upset about the team not getting him "more weapons", he better keep that $#!+ to himself. He should remember that anyone brought in would be there to take the job away from a current teammate. I would love for him to do the opposite... publicly state how confident he is in the guys he has. Tell the world (whether he believes it or not) that he feels his team has all the weapons it needs.

I've read "pundits" proclaiming "If I was a veteran on the Packers, I'd be upset. The front office didn't do anything to help the team win NOW".

Pffff.

Maybe the message from the front office is... "We really like the team we have right now! Here are some pieces to augment... as opposed to replace".

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Razer's picture

April 29, 2020 at 08:47 am

Well said. You give me hope.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2020 at 09:15 pm

Well, veterans may or may not be happy with the draft, but most of them aren't threatened by it either.

AR is going to play somewhere and earn his contract. No worries.
Jones/Williams will get 2nd contracts somewhere. Dexter isn't a vet.
Marcedes and Jace will stick. Tonyan and Baylis aren't vets.
Summers and Bolton aren't vets.
Linsley will get a 3rd contract somewhere. Turner might get a pay cut.
Wagner has had to deal with fending off late round flyers before.
Preston, Gary and Z aren't worried.
Amos and Savage aren't worried.

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murf7777's picture

April 29, 2020 at 08:54 am

Right on....the pundits are just trying to build controversy and sell media, I show them my middle finger.

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JerseyAl's picture

April 29, 2020 at 04:30 pm

make it a double!

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2020 at 09:26 am

"I don't believe there's any vitriol, drama, or secret plan involved....."If I was a veteran on the Packers, I'd be upset. The front office didn't do anything to help the team win NOW" Pffff. Maybe the message from the front office is... "We really like the team we have right now! Here are some pieces to augment... as opposed to replace"."

There's a crap-ton of jobs and reputations that depend on this team playing well and winning games. I don't believe GMs make moves with premium picks that are just to be spiteful...that's cutting your own throat and the throats of many folks around you. I think players are aware of that. I think Bearmeat said it before, though, and that's GMs who try to be the "smartest guy in the room" don't last very long (unless you're Jerry Jones who won't fire himself).

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:35 am

Since the error rate is vastly skewed to failure when banking on beating the rest of the NFL, true. That said luck sure helps but you have to gamble to win. TT and Wolf gambled and it’s made their careers. In Wolfs case he was being smarter than the others. Thompson one could argue just took what fell to him ( I still think it took nerve).

GMs who avoid risk typically fade away. Taking risks is the only way to beat parity without a whole lot of luck. It’s also the only way to really sustain a career.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:05 pm

They moved on QBs that displayed obvious talents, regardless of the prototypical pattern of GM mind think ( the tall 240# ,rocket armed ,cement-footed guy who gets sacked, cannot create in space etc.) You saw it with Favre beating Florida State and Alabama his junior and senior seasons. Astute fans and football people could see it.
Rodgers taking USC to the wire when they were the National champs. Terry Bradshaw's long ball accuracy for L Tech, Drew Brees masterfully running the Purdue offense, Brady taking charge in the Rose Bowl--I remember every one of those games and the QBs. Winners. Love made some similar, spectacular plays, especially in his Soph. season with David Yost calling the plays. I would have him and Burrows rated as the top QBs from this draft, but he has more film on file than Burrows who like Tua had an All Star cast surrounding him. No worries about any of the Packer picks. If Fans actually watched college games, they wouldn't be surprised when these names are called during the draft spectacle.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:28 am

Very well summed up.

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leche's picture

April 30, 2020 at 10:48 pm

"Passing on a potential franchise quarterback (even with the odds stacked against it happening - 3 in a row would be bonkers) to draft a #3wr, #2ilb, or #3ot would be silly."

Nah, this is entirely situational... You don't pass on the opportunity to win a Super Bowl now to worry about the future. THAT'S what's silly about this. If we were an 8-8 team (or had those expectations) that'd be one thing.

Did you never learn a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush? If the odds are stacked against Love succeeding (paraphrasing your words), then the expected outcome is the team isn't as good now AND isn't as good later.

Also, Tee Higgins is easily WR #2 on this team. Patrick Queen might be ILB #1 before the year is out (and definitely is next year). Isaiah Wilson at least would add depth today that means he's guaranteed to contribute

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April 29, 2020 at 06:47 am

Well, as a lifelong Packer fan I'm going to hope a coin flip (and use the one with "heads" on both sides, lol) lands on the "good" . Realistically, a lot of last years 13-3 record was due to unprecedented good health, good luck, with indications that MLF's offense was coming along. I have to believe that there will be MUCH less of the MM concepts in the offense going forward and (crosses fingers) maybe that turning point will have the Packers having a great offense. We will (hopefully, virus be damned) see. Stay well everyone and Go, Pack, Go!

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 29, 2020 at 06:54 am

Did anyone watch last season and think, "Oooh, we made it to the NFC Championship, we're SO close! We just need a WR!" ? Seriously, most of us spent the season amazed that the Packers kept winning games. The blowout losses vs, San Francisco underscored that we needed some major changes, and I think this draft is the Packers' response to that. I too expected/wanted a DL, as I perceived it to be the weakest spot on the roster, and I'm still hoping we add someone before the season begins, but I think the retooling of the offense is the most interesting part of this off-season. There were many games last year where the DEFENSE is what won/kept us in games; it's easy to forget that, because we are so used to Rodgers being the reason we won close games.
I wasn't a Love fan going into the draft, but having read and seen more afterwards, I have to admit that if the staff thinks he can be somewhere between Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers after they develop him for two years, using the 30th pick (what used to be the last pick in the first round, virtually a SECOND round pick), on a franchise QB, seems like a very good investment.
Anyone who follows Cheeseheadtv and Acmepacking knows I've been a huge fan of AJ Dillon since, well, last fall, knows that I think he's a franchise back, worthy of a first round selection. I completely agree with the Packers that AJ was a BPA, and I think he is going to have a tremendous impact on the play-action offense that LaFleur embraces.
DeGuara is the really interesting pick; LaFleur apparently LOVES him as a player and locker room presence, and Lafleur has shown a knack for team building--something McCarthy always srived for, but never seemed to achieve. It won't surprise me if Deguara becomes the fans' most popular player three years from now. I think we're going to see him used in a lot of fun ways, and appreciate his effort and interviews/leadership.
It's a wait-and-see time for everything; I'm just hoping we have some sort of NFL future that is similar to the past one that we've loved.
P.E.O.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:35 am

"MM never had a knack for team building", 125 wins and 18 playoff games in 13 yrs, what a loser. I would/might become another Faustus for that.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:39 am

TT built the teams. He built well in his early years and increasingly poorly ( and at odds with the coaching staff) in his later years. We are still crawling out of that hole.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:31 pm

This is an unspoken truth that has influenced recent team building dynamics. If we had not fared so poorly in the drafts leading up to Brian Gutekunst, there would be better depth and talent on this team. Current management is tasked with the challenge of getting enough talent around Rodgers to compete. And yet, they will still be painted with the "wasted Rodgers" final years.

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April 29, 2020 at 02:40 pm

Absolutely, Razer. It is truly amazing to me that so many are critical of Gute -- IMO that he clearly improved depth and talent last year, and this year had a Belichick-like draft that fit the MLF system. 14-4 wasn't all luck.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:17 pm

And some russ ball meddling.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 29, 2020 at 03:51 pm

The bashing of Thompson and McCarthy is so nonsensical. A Super Bowl and 18 playoff wins. When somebody else accomplishes half of that let me know.

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April 29, 2020 at 07:20 am

This draft seems to be more about a confrontation between LaFleur and Rodgers, carried out remotely through the choice of players drafted.

The greatest needs, as seen by most outside the organisation, are ignored in favour of choices that try to force a change in the offence, arguably to force Rodgers to be more on script with LaFleur.

I'm not close enough to know the inner workings of the Packers, so I find it difficult to apportion any blame between Rodgers and LaFleur, but there certainly appears to be a disconnect between them that bleeds into the draft choices.

I do worry that this apparent disconnect ends up being harmful to the Packers future, as the organisations focus appears to have moved away from best choices for the team, towards a more confrontational stance.

I actually have no problem with the Packers first selection of a QB. The Packers don't get the choice to select a more sure-thing QB, like Burrow (this year) or Lawrence (next year), so they must get the best later choice they can, and I'm fine with them picking Love.

It was the 2nd and 3rd choices of a FB type HB, and then an H back, rather than DL and RT that I question. There were decent early choices available on both O and D lines (at least as far as internet rankings go).

I get that the WR group didn't fall well for the Packers, which is why they passed there in the first couple of rounds, but I am amazed that the Packers never selected Donovan Peoples-Jones in round 5, or even moved up in round 6 to take him.

My viewpoint may be wrong, it's hard to tell what people are thinking by watching their actions, but it doesn't look good as seen from the outside. As always, there is no blame on the players chosen, they are not party to any team decision and just want to do their best for the team that takes them.

As always, speculation at the time of the draft matters little if the picks work out well.......and I suspect all Packer fans want that.

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Razer's picture

April 29, 2020 at 08:15 am

Well said Turophile. I think your depiction of this draft being a statement of "how we want to play ball" as the message is accurate. While it is not a line-in-the-sand position, it does set in motion a transition to LaFleur's offense. The question becomes - is Rodgers willing to move in this direction? I hope so.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:30 am

Your right it’s hard to say if there is friction between Aaron and MLF and from the outside looking in and knowing Aaron’s desires to throw down field that would be the logical assumption. That said, maybeRodgers likes the idea of building a more physical, run oriented with a lot of movement type of O? That type of O will probably allow for a higher percentage of open receivers with easier throws via play action. I have no idea how Rodgers feels just being a devils advocate and hoping that is how he feels.

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April 29, 2020 at 03:01 pm

To add to your point Murf, Rodgers success and longevity in the league has made the Packers and him a victim of his own success - his instincts and tendencies are known and he will have to change his modus operandi.

I kind of like the fact that teams won't be able to re-use vast tracts of their Packer defensive playbooks from the last 5 years over and over - make them work again.

That first game against the 49ers last year convinced me of this - SF's DE's just contained Rodgers in the constricting pocket, didn't let him escape and their secondaries played man on the receivers. It was clinical.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:25 pm

He had Marshawn Lynch in his backfield @ Cal. ( Ted wouldn't give up a three pick for him) and didn't seem to mind having a power running game to play-action through. I don't see the drama in this draft.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

April 29, 2020 at 10:32 am

One of the players that Rodgers really pushed for and wanted in FA was Jimmy Graham. How did that work out? Draft your players for your coaches to develop that fit into your system.

Gute's draft is once again athletic players. I don't expect most of them to come in and contribute day 1. Fans are impatient and think a WR drafted will instantly transform the offense. Gute thinks they take awhile to develop and is expecting a jump from MVS/ESB who are more athletic than quite a few of the WRs drafted Round 1 and 2.

What we're consistantly seeing from Gute is he gambles on athleticism and development. I think on DL they think Adams will take a step forward he had a great training camp. Davante Adams would blow it up in camp and disappoint in season for years. Kinsley could also give them hope on the DL.

I don't think the Packers, Gute, and Pettine value ILB the way fans do. The hope seems to be that Burks is healthy for the 1st time? Otherwise it comes down to the safety/ilb hybrid UDFAs panning out. We'll see which prior draft picks take a step forward and surprise us.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:14 am

Note to GBP fans, not a direct indictment of you, Turophile.

STOP with all the Rodgers opinion matters crap.

There are literally dozens of GBP employees whose collective jobs it is to develop philosophy, prepare scheme, evaluate the correct talent for the strategies and then acquire and coach/train those players to fit the plan and succeed.

Aaron freakin Rodgers does NOT dictate that process.

He is NOT the GM or Head Coach.

He is an EMPLOYEE.

YES, the financial commitment to this EMPLOYEE is significant and dictates some of the flexibility within the organizational structure I have outlined. That does NOT mean that Aaron calls the shots. PERIOD.

Ploease take these FACTS into consideration before writing fantasy scenarios where every GBP employee walks around on eggshells whenever Prince Aaron expresses himself.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:43 am

Cannot argue with that at any point, but particularly at this stage in his career and having hired a new HC to take us forward.

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Archie's picture

April 29, 2020 at 02:06 pm

Everybody that works for GBP is an employee. The biggest difference between AR and any other employee is that he is the highest paid i.e., the most valuable. Piss him off at your own peril.

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April 29, 2020 at 04:52 pm

some good points JB.

I’ve been watching that bulls documentary- the last dance - interesting seeing now the behind the scenes details of how the organisation deals\works with an eminent player of his time.

Especially interesting in episode 4 when Phil Jackson is appointed and looks to bring in a new scheme (‘triangle’ offence vs ‘pass it to Michael’). They didn’t ascend to greatness until Jordan got on board and truly embraced Jackson’s team philosophy- they also had to retool some of the roster to fully realise the philosophy, but the coach saw things that Jordan did and could not, and they were better for it.

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April 29, 2020 at 04:52 pm

some good points JB.

I’ve been watching that bulls documentary- the last dance - interesting seeing now the behind the scenes details of how the organisation deals\works with an eminent player of his time.

Especially interesting in episode 4 when Phil Jackson is appointed and looks to bring in a new scheme (‘triangle’ offence vs ‘pass it to Michael’). They didn’t ascend to greatness until Jordan got on board and truly embraced Jackson’s team philosophy- they also had to retool some of the roster to fully realise the philosophy, but the coach saw things that Jordan did and could not, and they were better for it.

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April 30, 2020 at 09:23 pm

Well, I agree in general.

There are people called "key employees" that management needs to keep and keep happy.

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April 29, 2020 at 07:07 am

Good points about Willis and Funchess. I hadn't given either of those moves the draft pick substitute consideration you did, and it makes sense.

The biggest reason this draft is creating as much angst and uncertainty among the faithful as it is, is how far afield it went from the expectations and conventions people hold to for following the script. There were manifold versions created by a lot of folks heading into this, made more notorious by the dearth of other sports to distract our attention. We may think Gute ad-libbed and improvised his way through this, but who really knows what a GM's thinking is heading into a draft?

As stated, it has as much potential to be famous as it does infamous. But don't they all?

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April 29, 2020 at 07:14 am

Not like this. Gute is swinging for the fences with the way he's GMing. We've been screaming for that under TT. I admire the nuts it takes to do this. But the specific risks he's taking... wow. Not high odds.

He'd better be right. Nervous/angry/sad emotions... I'm a Packer fan through and through and although I knew the ARod era would be ending soon, to see it this year... wowww

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April 29, 2020 at 08:07 am

High risk = potential for high return. When wolf traded a 1st round for Favre that was high risk. Just take a look at Favre college stats below and not like he was overly impressive in Atlanta’s pre-seasons games. There isn’t anything in those stats that would make you believe he would become a superstar. BUT, Wolf believed he was the best player in the prior years draft and made it happen. Many pundits I assume were questioning the logic on that one. Gutey is doing the same type of thing. I love his courage and even if it doesn’t turn out he stuck his neck out for what he believes in.....GBG

Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6
1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0
1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0
1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6
Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6

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April 29, 2020 at 08:14 am

“Gute is swinging for the fences with the way he's GMing.” I would agree with the Love pick and last years FA spending spree. On the flip side, his number 2 & 3 picks seem to be sure things and not swinging for the fences. In addition, he was correct on last years FA’s where he swung for the fences, so, hopefully he will be with the Love pick.

I’m one who believes those that play it save are doomed to mediocrity. Time will tell, but I’m happy we have Gutey.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:33 am

"On the flip side, his number 2 & 3 picks seem to be sure things and not swinging for the fences. "

He's staking a lot on Dillon and Daguera. These are hand-picked guys that led to most scratching their heads when their names were called. They are supposedly are going to diversify this offense and make it far more efficient...or at least that's what the party line and analysts are pitching. Problem is, they're not veteran FAs and they're not attuned to the pace or physicality of the pro game. They're not going to have the benefit of OTAs or minicamps to start working into the system and for the coaches to see how they mesh with the returning players. While Dillon will likely get carries right off the bat, we don't know how long it will take for him to integrate into the passing game. I don't know how much patience fans are going to have for players--especially Deguara--who were drafted with premium picks and who are being touted for fit being brought along slowly.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:00 am

Dobber, your are right, but I would say RB is a type of position that takes much less training then WR and Degura might be able to get up to speed in the FB portion of his responsibilities quickly. I just think they will be more ready then a WR and that’s why I’ve stated that above.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:06 am

I don't disagree that he's going to tote the rock and block early on, but while many scouts say he's going to be able to be a capable pass-catcher with time, he's underdeveloped there. So when he's on the field, you know exactly what he's there to do.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:55 am

Dobber, right or wrong those picks are clearly giving flesh to LaFleur’s desires to convert this team to that type of offense. Murphy told us this would happen. Now it has.

Perhaps it was always the plan this year; perhaps last year convinced them to accelerate it. Who knows.

On day 2 Gute took two players that have key attributes of corner stones in a typical Shanahan offense. There aren’t too many examples of either available with their metrics (or cost) in FA. Moreover, both look set for roles that they have played in before and offer the best hope of contributing as rookies (far more likely than than even early round receivers).

LaFleur is getting his offense. That is clear. As look at it, Gute seems to have tried to do so in a way that maximizes the chance of contributions this year. LaFleur clearly has the authority to shape the team. Murphy promised him that and told us so when he hired him, if we listened. We can debate timing and wisdom of going that route, but round 2 seems like as low a risk way to do so as the draft offered, on reflection.

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April 29, 2020 at 02:29 pm

Tremendous commentary Coldworld.

I am a huge AR fan and I was set for a draft that filled in the holes on a team that had reasonable aspirations to get back to another SB. Instead, I got the pieces for a radical makeover of the offense. So I was stunned, shocked and disappointed to say the least. Yet everything you say is correct. Last year Gutey gave Pettine the pieces he need to run his defensive scheme and this year he gave MLF the pieces he needed to run his offensive scheme. That's the way it has to be. It would not surprise me to see AR force his way out of GB. Raiders, Colts and Bears may like the idea of Rogers playing for them. The problems with that for GB should be obvious: an hellacious cap hit; AR's trade value has taken a big hit because of Love's presence; and, Love isn't ready to be QB1.

re: Love ......a very fair price for a young QB with tons of physical ability.

re: Dillon .....was he a value pick. Most think not. However, 4.53 250# RBs don't grow on trees. Everyone thinks he's a one trick pony but he may very well not be i.e., he has shown signs of being able to catch the ball and redirect quickly. If so, he could turn out better than Edwards-Hellaire.

re: DeGuara ......George Kittle-Lite? Another player many think was overdrafted (myself included) but the more I study him I see that he is a very unique talent that fits perfectly into our new offensive scheme. And looking at positional rankings by Great Blue North he was ranked just below Asiasi and Keene, TEs taken by the Pats in the same round. So maybe this wasn't the reach we all thought.

At first blush, the rest of the Packers' draft was nothing to write home about. Bit 3 years from now the top 3 picks from this draft may look great. But I still believe AR deserved a much better ending in GB than this. Had Gutey made this draft next year I could have accepted it but this year is a real slap in the face to Rodgers as well as many GBP fans who wanted to see 12 at the top of the heap one more time. He may still get there but it won't be in a Packer uniform.

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April 29, 2020 at 03:13 pm

” Had Gutey made this draft next year I could have accepted it but this year is a real slap in the face to Rodgers“. I don’t understand what would one year do to change Rodgers feelings.?

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April 29, 2020 at 11:50 pm

The foundation still stands on the Bill Walsh offense.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:34 am

Me too, man. Me too. Agree 100%.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:45 am

"Time will tell, but I’m happy we have Gutey."

He's not TT. That's what people have been begging for since about 2013.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:16 am

I think TT did an awesome job until his disease seemed to deter his judgement. Hard to argue with his record. I’m not so sure they aren’t all that different if you consider TT’s beginnings. Also, I’m a believer you build from the draft with an eye on trades and FA. It’s really the only way without getting into SC hell like the Bears and Vikings did. We would be a tough situation if Gutey went 1-3 vs 3-1 success vs failure on last years FA’s that said, I like what I see in him and he was tutored by to great GM’s in Wolf and TT.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:24 am

My opinion is that TT never adapted to the realities of the now-expiring CBA. His mode of roster management was seeded strongly in the 1990s and early 2000s.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 12:07 pm

Personally I don’t think TT was the driving force by the end. His type of apparent illness has profound implications. It seems clear that MM believed others were running the show.

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April 29, 2020 at 03:59 pm

My opinion is that Thompson suffered from age-related cognitive function impairment. He began to slip, it was noticed, he was replaced. This notion that a half-billion $$ company was being run by a guy with a hole in marble bag for years without it being noticed is nonsensical.

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April 29, 2020 at 06:25 pm

Yet it seems clear it took a couple of years for Murphy to step on. He even admitted that he hadn’t seen what was happening. Nonsensical perhaps but no point in rewriting history. Thompson deserves better than that.

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April 30, 2020 at 05:07 am

Seriously, that's a very kind read of Murphy's actions as 'defacto' owner from 2015-2019. Remember this, Thompson announced his retirement at the NFC Champ game in Seattle. Murphy made no move to hire a GM until Gute was hired over his objections in 2018. The executive committee, Murphy's bosses hired Gute because of Murphy's actions in the front office. He did a great deal of damage in a very short amount of time. I do agree. Ted Thompson does deserve better...

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April 29, 2020 at 07:07 am

Gute absolutely needs to find a veteran WR to help ARod THIS YEAR. And no, fat/slow Funchess doesn't count. And he absolutely needs to grab a veteran DT to help stop the run THIS YEAR. And no, this guy from Miami doesn't count. This team had two fatal flaws last year, and those flaws are not better going into 2021.

Disappointed and angry doesn't even begin to describe it.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:27 am

Completely agree, and hopefully a decent receiver, Devin scares nobody, god I hope there’s a cut we can grab..

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April 29, 2020 at 11:13 am

There's very little left out there. It'll will take a cut or trade with another team.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:36 am

CLEARLY, the Packers GM, Brian Gutekunst thinks otherwise. I'll stick with him. But, thanks for that!

Mellow out man.

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April 29, 2020 at 06:28 pm

you obviously haven't seen much of funchess...he is #3 at best...and he's rarely at his best..ive watched him since his days at UofM....

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Since'61's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:12 am

Bearmeat - we agree as usual. However, I’m beginning to think that we won’t have much of a season since the medical profession is expecting a “resurgence” of Covid 19 in the Fall/Winter. Since the virus is still spreading across the country I don’t see a resurgence but more like a continuation.

My son, who is a doctor tells me that they are having a very difficult time trying to determine why the virus affects so many different parts of the body and yet in other patients the effects are much less complicated. I don’t see how we go forward without testing and tracking and without a treatment for the infected and a vaccine for prevention.

My point is that if there is no football in 2020 our picks should get their full mini-camp and TC experiences prior to the 2021 season. Besides, if we have a shortened season in 2020 how sloppy will the play be without mini-camps and/or TC. Sloppy play will cause an injury epidemic along with the current pandemic. That makes about as much sense as the logic of some of our draft picks. Stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 12:03 pm

I share your fears for the season. I disagree with Bearmeat on Funchess as to role and ability. He is no hall of Famer but I think he will contribute positively in several ways if we play. With or without a season, I doubt we will see a savior at receiver this year.

This team will improve offensively via scheme and use of its offensive skill players as a whole or not at all. That die was cast when Murphy (?) gave the OK to build a LaFleur offense under the cap constraints we had.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:19 pm

I agree cold world....I think with this draft and another year under the new O our O will be much better. That in itself will provide assistance to our D by keeping them off the field a bit more. There were a number of games where they were gassed in the 4th. With adequate testing which is growing by the day I think training camp will happen. They will just need to test everyone and quarantine them for the 3 weeks. These people are all professionals and I’d be surprised if they weren’t all in for that plan.

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April 30, 2020 at 05:35 am

More and more I am thinking that this draft is more about 2021 and beyond. While Gute seems to be hedging his bets, his actions in this draft are so forward leaning, I think he and his front office are already writing this season off. Trying to play in these current conditions, would do nothing but add more undo risk, in a game were the risk of mass injuries is the norm. Please thank your son for me, I know what of risk he is taking every day...

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nostradanus's picture

April 29, 2020 at 07:08 am

I found the timing of the Love pick a bit odd.
*Rodgers is signed for 4 more years
*He stated he wants to play into his 40’s
*By the time Rodgers retires Loves rookie contract will be up so the Packers will have to pay an unproven player big money or trade him.
But who know what goes on behind the scenes and maybe since Rodgers has been injured 2 of the past 3 years the Packers are just protecting the franchise?

In Gute we trust, let’s keep our fingers crossed that this draft isn’t the laughable disaster the media experts say it is.

Keep the faith Packers brethren

That is all...

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April 29, 2020 at 07:58 am

I have brought it up as well but I wonder if they are more concerned about his right shoulder injury? Last year Rodgers missed a number of throws that just was not him. Was it his shoulder injury causing that? What was the reason some of them were that far off. Now he did make a lot of his normal throws but every game we came out of the games asking what is wrong with him? What is going on?
Mix that with his age, being a year older, injuries can happen more and it takes longer to recover.

I think Gutekunst did want to cover his behind and make sure he had a direction to go in the future.

We will find out in about 4-5 years if this was the right decision.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:44 am

The fact that Aaron Rodgers cannot be traded nor cut for the next 3 years removes all the mystery, and completely BLOWS THE MEDIA HOOPLA ABOUT LOVE TAKING OVER FOR RODGERS TO OBLIVION. Shows what idiots and complete assholes they are.

I see what happened. Love was dropping, no one was taking him, he fits every measure of what they look for at QB, the most difficult position in all of football, heard IND wanted to trade back up for him, realized uh... yeah, Rodgers is 36 and would give a perfect amount of time to groom his successor, traded up and stole him, for an R4. A LATE R4!!!

That was F'ing smart, and took some serious stones. Great pick to secure our future. They felt that was what they were getting with Jordan Love, and I'm not going to argue. If he does develop as expected, we could realize nearly 50 years of legendary play from 3 players... FAVRE-RODGERS-LOVE. Awesome.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2020 at 09:56 am

"The fact that Aaron Rodgers cannot be traded nor cut for the next 3 years removes all the mystery,..."

TGR posted a pretty thorough analysis of #12s contract situation last weekend. The Packers can get cap relief by trading or cutting Rodgers after the 2020 season. Do it before and it blows up the cap, but they actually get spending room under the cap by trading or cutting Rodgers as early as 10 months from now...using the Jun 1 designation nets even more, but pushes some of the cap hit out an extra year. The end result is that Love is in ARod's rearview mirror from this point onward and will be on the minds of the fans and media starting with the first preseason game. Just about every time QB1 has a crappy game from here on out, the wolves will start to howl.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:21 am

Cookie for Dobber as you are absolutely correct. I see the move coming after 2021 but like you I can hear the “We want Love” chants coming out of the Lambeau faithful every time Rodgers gets sacked over the next 1-2 seasons. Fans are fickle and they forget very quickly. They also don’t know what or who they have until he’s gone.

This whole selection of Love could work out great or it could become a total cluster fxxk, worse than the Favre saga if Love turns out to be a bust. Time will tell. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 12:12 pm

Dobber, a question, at this point, do you consider it necessarily negative that Rodgers have a plausible QB candidate in his rear view mirror?

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April 29, 2020 at 12:29 pm

I sure don't see that as a negative. This will light a fire under Rodgers without question, and I do think he's going to be leading the way here in GB for years. How many remains to be determined, but, that was the case prior to the draft, right?

4 year contract. Give this player all of Green Bay loves every opportunity to win SBs. All the while, his successor learns the ropes. THAT is a very, very solid plan moving forward. I don't get how some cannot see that, except for the mainstream media, who have nothing to talk about, wanting to stir controversy.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:48 pm

Greengold beat me to some of what I would say: since BF was dealt away, #12 has never had competition for the starting job. Never. He's always said there was nobody the Packers could bring in that he wouldn't beat out.

He's no dummy. He knows what Love represents. He also has a brand that he will want to protect post-football and he can't do that being a sulky malcontent who looks washed up. His best path is to continue to be a company man and to make it very difficult for the Packers to want to move him...that means playing at a high level and winning a lot of football games.

I'm all for that.

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stockholder's picture

April 29, 2020 at 01:26 pm

#12 is the union Rep.

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April 29, 2020 at 04:51 pm

Tell me what the Packers have done wrong...

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April 29, 2020 at 02:43 pm

Or he could just opt for getting out of Dodge right now. If I were him, I'd choose the latter. This team is being molded to fit a different system and a different QB. Time to go.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:53 pm

I agree ...ask to be traded....that would pucker up some assholes on Lombardi Ave.! total disrespect for a guy that carried them for 10 years.

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April 29, 2020 at 03:55 pm

I tend to agree. Thanks for the responses (both), I think It is possible that we may look back on this as having positively impacted Rodgers in the last phase of his career.

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WMA's picture

April 29, 2020 at 12:47 pm

Cookie

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April 29, 2020 at 07:11 am

I see Sherman. It's just that simple. This DL is pathetic. WE can See! Not only will the OL change. I believe they lose Clark. We will see the Over Paid guys gone. Gutey will resort to being TT cheap. Gutey got Lucky getting us out of the Gutter. With a great FA class. But he knew the success of any super-bowl winner is the trench. Speculation is a funny thing. It makes No promises. And as we see blown pick after pick. WE STILL WILL LOOK TO #12! As much as Gutey will Hate it. Nobody is believing that Hurts wasn't selected for the purpose of getting rid of #12. Writer after writer, is saying that Rodgers Time in Green Bay is over. Gutey has shown his true colors. And every fan should take it personal. They don't Need fans in the seats. Money is the Top issue. It just wasn't realistic to draft Rodgers replacement. It's even more of a sham, when you don't get your All-pro Qb, the Receivers he needs. Everybody will blame #12 for everything! And thats just a fact! It's already started. We have to keep the defense off the Field? Really? How about the Defense has to get the Offense the BALL First!!! #12 has complained about the defense for years. This season is on #12 again. Only this time, No body is endorsing #12.

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PeteK's picture

April 29, 2020 at 08:11 am

Thank god you're not a stockbroker, Dr Victor Von DOOM.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 03:56 pm

Or any kind of counselor. They would be jumping off bridges like lemmings.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 29, 2020 at 09:38 am

I fully support Rodgers, he’s kept this team afloat for years of bad drafting.. Not getting him weapons is asinine, he and the team needed more talent in the Wr group..

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justjan's picture

April 29, 2020 at 10:04 am

You forgot "The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling" !!!

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Dragon5's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:40 am

Gary is probably going to see more 5 tech to address the lack of starting quality DL. Narrative that it takes 2-3 years to develop a WR likely the case in this draft. I won't sway that Amendola could have done wonders for us as a 1-2yr "win now" slot stopgap, but they opted for a younger, cheaper Funchess; Gute better hope his drops are still not an issue for a quarterback that emphasizes dependability. If his ankle is behind him, EQ has the opp to secure the #2, be it inside or outside. I have little faith in MVS but hope he proves me otherwise.

But I couldn't agree more, outside of hitting on a few few agents with a large purse at his disposal last year, I'd run out of four-letter words to describe Gute's draft execution and draft capital utilization.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 29, 2020 at 06:26 pm

yup...they have a built in scapegoat...Aaron Rodgers...if the Packers suck next year and they may well do that, it will be "Rodgers" fault...I think good old boy Favre has it right when he says he doubts Rodgers will end his career in GB...just doesn't seem likely anymore...here come the "gory years" again...

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 29, 2020 at 07:19 am

Are any of you are familiar with Schrodinger's Cat?

The cat is both dead and alive since it's unobserved and we can't know.

Well, that's what drafts are for at least 9 months and probably longer.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2020 at 09:05 am

The difference between Schrodinger and drafts is investment. Do you expect that cat to be dead or alive? Do you anticipate this being a dead or live cat draft? Nobody is invested in the welfare of the cat or the outcome of the quantum mechanical thought experiment. We're emotionally invested in the Packers.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:00 am

"Nobody is invested in the welfare of the cat"

How inhumane :P

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Johnblood27's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:28 am

Meow!!!

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2020 at 12:49 pm

I'm a dog person! ;)

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April 29, 2020 at 03:26 pm

No, I think you're all bird lovers, cuckoo. Hahahaha

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 29, 2020 at 07:18 am

DL:
I honestly knew nothing about Willis. That makes sense why they didn't draft a later round DL then. That being said I would still like to see them go get an instant impact veteran DL. A guy like Snacks.

WR:
Yeah, i really don't know what to say. I don't know how they didn't find a way to get a WR in a historical best WR draft. There were players in the 5th and 6th rounds that people think will come in and help teams out. The trading up for Love is the part that really hurt them in finding a WR. Losing that 4th round pick really cost them a chance at getting a WR. For example if they kept their 4th round pick they could have picked Joe Reed, who many believed was an ideal fit in GB's offense.

OL:
I liked that they drafted OL. But I would have liked to have seen them get a RT prospect that could come in and compete with Wagner right away. Or a guy that could be a true backup swing OT. They did not get that guy IMO. Maybe Runyan can do it, but most project him to being an interior guy. I would like to see them resign Veldheer honestly.
I do agree that Linsley likely will be playing his last year in GB. They have tough decisions to make and Linsley likely will be one of those tough moves they make to move on from.

RB:
I would have preferred if they could have gotten Taylor or Dobbins. They weren't available so they brought in a guy who is completely different then what they have. I am fine with that. Dillon for this year can be a really good change of pace player from Jones. Dillon can bring another element to the offense. I do think they will try to pair him and Jones on the field together as well. I do like the pick and it shows what direction the offense is going to go moving forward. The offense will be built around running more and more play action passes.

The 2020 Draft -
Whether its fair or not this entire class will be judged on what Love turns out to be. If Love turns out to be the next Rodgers, then no matter what happens this was the right pick to be made and it will be a great draft. IF, he turns out to be Trubisky, then this was a failed draft no matter what happens with the other players.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:52 am

Come on, RC.

Look, I know you are really optimistic. But tell me how in the hell this draft makes any sense with Rodgers contract? It does not. They need a vet WR with some speed and a vet DT who can help Clark plug the run. This was a 13-3 team last year that played more like a 10-6 team, but caught a lot of lucky breaks.

I would not be surprised to see 8-8 or worse and out of the playoffs this upcoming year. (Assuming there is a year)

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April 29, 2020 at 09:09 am

...This was a 13-3 team last year that played more like a 10-6 team, but caught a lot of lucky breaks...

The most accurate description of last season that I have read. Watching us get dismantled by the 49ers twice tells you where this team stands in the pecking order. If Aaron Rodgers doesn't embrace and enhance this new offensive approach, 8-8 might be optimistic.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:17 am

You overestimate the quality of this roster. I would not have been surprised to see a 9-7 record this year even if Green Bay had taken a wide receiver. The potential variance with this squad is enormous.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:32 am

It makes perfect sense if you don't buy into the media bullshit swirling around the bowl.

The Packers are planning to give Aaron Rodgers every chance to win the next 3 Super Bowls. I am 100% confident in that.

Small minds think that WR who can put them over the top can only come from the top of a draft. Gutekunst has added talent at WR in Begelton and Funchess. Both are skilled, accomplished WRs with WAY more experience than any drafted player could add. Plus, there is further development of the players they already have that we will see as we move forward.

Adding a power RB like AJ Dillon means they are going to be more dedicated to running the rock. THAT will extend Aaron Rodgers' career effectiveness over the next 3-4 years that remain on his contract, by limiting his exposure to pass rush. Without running the ball, your QB is exposed to nothing but pass rushers with their ears pinned back, looking to pummel him, more than 80% of the plays. I WANT the Packers to run more, and win, while keeping Aaron Rodgers upright and healthy with a MORE BALANCED ATTACK. Plus, it will really help our play action passing game. I would not be surprised if Aaron Rodgers still puts up epic numbers this season, even if we run more... he will be more effective against defenses that are FORCED to play honest.

Bill Belichick knows this, and utilized the run far more than the Packers. How many significant injuries has Brady had, while grabbing all of those rings?

It was time for this shift to happen in order to help Rodgers get there and win the damn thing, again, again, and again if possible. Because of a draft like this, it might actually be possible. They still have plenty of options to acquire a vet DT to help Clark.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:44 am

"Adding a power RB like AJ Dillon means they are going to be more dedicated to running the rock. "

What AJ Dillon does is force defensive coordinators to play less dime and more base and nickel against the Packers. What have teams who have had success against ARod in the past typically done? Rush with 4 and play a crap-ton of DBs behind them to make it hard for receivers to come open. If you flood the field with DBs to try to play ARod first, Dillon will plow through those guys to the tune of 5 ypc without much trouble, assuming the OL can open much in the way of holes. When DCs respond with bigger, slower LBs, that opens other things up in the passing game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 29, 2020 at 11:35 am

Absolutely love that Dobber!!!

I'm fired up for that!!!

And what will teams do when they put Adams out wide with Jones and Dillon and Sternberger and Deguara on the field at the same time? They can go 5 wide, they can go 2 TE's, they can run with either guy. They can create so many options with that lineup alone. They can't go all DB's cuz they will run it down their throat. Sternberger against most TE"s that is a win.

Here is another lineup. They have Adams, Lazard, Funchess, and MVS or EQ or Sternberger or Deguara with Dillon in the backfield. Most teams have to go lighter in the box, but with Dillon at that size it will create some good run possibilities.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:14 am

"Small minds think that WR who can put them over the top can only come from the top of a draft. Gutekunst has added talent at WR in Begelton and Funchess. Both are skilled, accomplished WRs with WAY more experience than any drafted player could add. Plus, there is further development of the players they already have that we will see as we move forward."

I'm sorry, first of all, this is insulting to anyone who disagrees with your rosy take. Second, MVS is on his last legs for a reason. Kumerow is JAG. Who knows what EQ is going to bring - that was a serious injury. Funchess is better than Allison - sure. What high praise! (eye roll) And saying that Begelton is a "find" is ludicrous to the point of hilarity.

Gute is full of poop. Our WRs scare NO ONE. We have a 1. And then what is quite possibly the very worst collection of WRs in the league. You need WRs (plural) to win in today's game.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 12:20 pm

Why is MVS so quickly on his last legs! What is the reason he regressed?

I normally give your posts a lot of credence. At the moment though it does seem like you are not seeing the big picture such that debating whether it is a good idea is not possible yet.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:35 pm

There is this thing called "Player Development."

MVS can take the top off of any defense. He had done that effectively for the majority of his play last season. His problem was closing the deal and making the catch, completing the play. The Packers fired their WR coach and added someone they feel will better serve their young WR group.

Gutekunst addressed this, and said many of these guys take 2-3 years to develop. MVS and EQ are in that window, and I would not be surprised to see them become the players Gutekunst envisioned them to be.

MVS is a young, fast, dynamic talent at WR, and knows the system well. If he masters some better hand control in making receptions, look out.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:24 pm

You could be right.

I'm just pissed and depressed and being reactionary. I'm a fan. I'm allowed to do this in my "fun" time... Hell, I hope I'm eating crow and we win it all this year with a 1500 yard year from Dillon and MVS developing into a 2.

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May 02, 2020 at 12:36 pm

No worries, man, and we're all fans. The best part about CHTV is all fans get that breadth of perspectives to consider, and ups the game in understanding. I do find Packers fans to be super knowledgeable generally compared to others across the NFL, and more differing opinions always helps.

Believe me, I wanted this draft to go about 180 degrees from how it played out, but I can understand their logic completely, and Gutekunst really has done a remarkable job of covering his bases. Yes, even at WR with Begelton and Funchess adds, plus considering further player development there.

His DL adds immediately before and after this draft seem pretty legit, and both are more pro ready than many rookies entering the league. Added dynamic ILB candidates in FA and draft. Beefed up the OL, while adding a possible successor to Rodgers who fits scheme perfectly, a thumper RB and a super versatile TE, who had better numbers at U Cincinatti than Travis Kelce... That does not suck.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:40 am

It doesn't make sense if you don't want it too... :)

I did not want them to draft a QB. My question about it is are they more concerned about his health and his throwing arm? They know more about that then any of us. Maybe they know his arm will not be the same and perhaps his play could drop off significantly? I have no idea, just asking the question. That would be a legit reason for them to draft a QB.

I'm not putting any numbers on this season. Did anyone predict them to be 13-3 last year? No. They were 13-3. Yes they caught some lucky breaks along the way like not having to play Mahomes. But that very same team went in and beat Minnesota the week after. We beat the Vikings twice. We were 13-3 so don't take credit away from them.

Also we were in the first year in a brand new system. Now they have added players that better fit the scheme. This offense will be much improved in year 2.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:30 am

I can buy being more multiple with the new RB and HB. And Allison was so bad that it's hard to even wrap my mind around Funchess being better, but he is. (I'm not a fan personally.)

But that's putting an awful lot of faith in the O getting better because it's year 2. I don't count on much from rooks in general.

Seems like blind faith to me.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:44 am

The key player to me is Ervin. Look at how he was being used down the stretch. And Rodgers just missed Ervin Wide open more then once. If they start hitting on that, it improves the offense a ton.
Allison was brutal last year. I don't get it cuz he had been better then that prior to that. I just don't get why he dropped off so much.
Funchess and EQ are already upgrades over what Allison was last year.

Lazard should be better as well now that he has experience in the league.
MVS was doing well until he got hurt and then lost confidence or whatever happened.

Every player/coach that you talk to say that 2nd year in the system a lot! They get to run more of the offense/defense that they want to. The 2nd year with LaFleur's offense should be a lot better.
I think we will see a lot from both Dillon and Deguara. I actually think Deguara will be a key player and have a key role.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:54 pm

Every time you put Ervin on the field, you take a better player off the field. It all but telegraphs what you're going to do because there are so few things that he actually contributes. Don't get me wrong: I was a big fan when they brought Ervin in last fall because they needed his spark. I'd love to have a player capable of doing those things that Ervin does who fits better into the overall offensive scheme.

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April 29, 2020 at 01:23 pm

Dobber, that man’s name is Deguara. When I watch his film with Cincinnati I wa surprised how much they put him in motion, he looks very athletic.

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April 30, 2020 at 12:26 am

Hopefully, LaFleur runs some of the Bearcats playbook.

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April 29, 2020 at 02:51 pm

See I disagree. He actually adds to the offense not take away from it. His speed is something that the offense doesn't have. He can provide a lot of different things.

With a full offseason to plan him into the offense he won't be just a guy who runs end arounds/jet motion type of stuff. He can be used in a lot of ways.
You can put him and Dillon on the field together and Dillon provides a threat to run, where Ervin is a threat sideline to sideline.
Or put him in with Jones and have 2 great options to throw to.

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April 29, 2020 at 03:19 pm

RC, I hope your right as I was impressed with Ervin last year. Wouldn’t that be great if he turned out to be a good slot man!

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April 29, 2020 at 07:21 pm

I'm always right. You can always ask Bearmeat. :)

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April 29, 2020 at 04:57 pm

Very definitely...he brings an element that they don't otherwise have.

But for him to be effective they have to put him on the field and NOT give him the ball more often than they DO give him the ball. Which means a more impactful player is off the field...could be a better blocker, or someone who runs routes better.

My point was that a player that puts it all into a single package would be so much better for this offense.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:28 pm

The point of the day 2 acquisitions is to get better by utilizing our strengths at positions other than WR and to use scheme to enable players to have better opportunities.

This approach, if successful, should get more out of players without any year on year individual improvement. That is the whole justification for it. It’s the antithesis of the MM just beat your man philosophy.

Whether you believe it will succeed in GB under LaFleur, unless you understand the central premise you won’t see that it is a direct attempt to address the very concerns you cite, but from a very different direction.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:59 pm

I think the argument then is "improvement through efficiency"...which is fine if your roster is close. Do you think this roster is that close?

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April 29, 2020 at 04:17 pm

I wouldn’t have expressed it that way, I think it is about using what you have more effectively and using the scheme to increase the opportunities, not just individual skill.

There is also a need for players like Sternberger to continue to blossom, but I don’t think that changes as a result of system change.

As to asking if we were that close? Actually I don’t think we are that close to being the best team. I dont think we were a WR close either. I think LaFleur (and Pettine) got schooled tactically by his mentor. He has to learn from that. Keep our D off the field, rack up some points and the game could look very different. I think that distorts the picture.

You don’t need to be the best team to win the SuperBowl. You need to be close enough to compete. The seahawks beat us (well we fell on our swords) the last time I think we were arguably the best. Get there and luck and health can decide it. I don’t think anything we did would get our roster to a point where we were clearly the best team In The NFL this year at least on opening day. I do think that it is possible a 49ers type could make us better. The closer the gap the more chance you make it,

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April 29, 2020 at 11:44 am

Yeah. This is very close to what I am thinking.

As for the Love pick, I really do not think that was their intent going in. But, these are some bright people, and to add a player of his calibre at a position that will no doubt need to be addressed within the next 3 years, for an R4... to me that seems really prudent.

Aaron Rodgers will be the perfect guy for him to sit behind on the sidelines and watch, study film with, practice with. Love will gain some very valuable knowledge and experience in LaFleur's system along the way. That is one hell of a QB room. Gives me more hope in being able to finish a season on all cylinders too, should we suffer an injury to AR. Never felt that way in all the years he was our starting QB. Love is a dynamic talent, for sure.

I really do not think they felt anything was wrong with Aaron Rodgers, nor that they wish to move away from him. There is so much we do not know, as LaFleur wasn't able to implement his entire system in his 1st year. Something to consider. Plus, best time to add your franchise QB of the future is when you don't need one.

I can't wait to see Dillon in this system, along with Deguara and Sternberger. Should be fun. Whenever we may get that opportunity... agree both are exactly who LaFleur wanted from this draft for his full system implementation. That's pretty exciting to me.

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April 30, 2020 at 09:36 pm

Come on, Beatmeat!

For RC, that's practically a scathing indictment of the draft. LOL.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:17 am

"They weren't available so they brought in a guy who is completely different then what they have."

I disagree: Dillon was a unique commodity in this draft. There was literally no other back who played high level D-I ball who profiled like him. I think it's pretty clear that this was their guy all along and he was going to be their pick...which will lead to the debate we've been having about whether (or how much) the Packers overdrafted him.

IMO, we're seeing what might be BG's draft flaw, and that's that he seems to lock in on guys (Gary, Burks, Dillon, Deguara) in a very myopic way. That said, I don't think they were locked in in Love. I think he became a pick of opportunity. Based on what we've observed with guys like Savage and Alexander, BG will sling draft resources around to go get guys he really likes. I can't believe he would've sat and waited past New England and other trade up candidates if he was really locked in on Love. I think once he made it to the early 20s, it caught BG's eye and he waited to the point where he was willing to pay to make the move.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:21 am

Maybe I said it wrong, or in my head I read it wrong, but that essentially is what I was trying to say. That they are bringing in a guy unlike any others in the draft. He is big with speed.
The hard part is without seeing every teams draft boards we have no clue how much they over drafted him or not.

I'm still not sure about what his flaw would be as of yet. I guess he hasn't drafted a WR higher then the 4th round?
I think you could say that he locked in on Love. He moved up to get him. So I think he locked in on him and once he got to a certain point he made the decision he was going after him and not losing him.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:40 am

Your take gets a chocolate chip cookie with walnuts and a little icing.

Opportunity meet value with a dash of no good trade-down partner deals.

Bingo! Love happens!

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April 29, 2020 at 12:40 pm

I could see that as possible with Gary, but Burks was an attempt to find a prototypical Pettine LB and Dillon and Deguara are very clearly equally close to the prototypes LaFleur needs to make the system he wants viable.

Gute isn’t in charge like TT was, I think he drafts to best fit the coaches needs, which is no bad thing. I think Murphy and his new head coach had Pettine shape the parameters last season (in my view Gary was part of that too) and LaFleur this. Love may actually be the sole exception (other than day 3 picks which I think are probably Gute’s) where pure talent drove the move.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:18 am

I like your assessment RCPackerFan.

Felt much the same way. I don't think for a second that Gutekunst is finished adding to DL, and I would put money on it he adds another FA or waits until roster cuts to add a proper backup NT for Kenny Clark, who I felt took too many snaps over the past two seasons. Gerald Willis was a GREAT signing for him, as was Jamal Davis. Talk about adding VALUE! We will have to wait and see, but, I like what he did there.

Another aspect to our DL few are considering is 2019 R4 pick Kingsley Keke. I think he will come into TC, whenever that might be, a much more physically developed player. He has great skills for the position, and reminds me of a young Santana Dotson. I've known Santana personally, and he agrees. I think he will be the starter next to Clark, and would be shocked if he is not.

Totally agree on the OL additions, and, the games are indeed won in the trenches. Gutekunst just ramped up the bottom of the roster there. Another player few might be thinking of, one I've been trumpeting since his signing last year as a UDFA is Yosh Nijman. He, like many young drafted players, especially on the line, needed development. They must have seen something in him during his time with the team to protect him twice. Once bringing him onto the 53 man roster, then again by popping him onto IR. His pedigree, not to mention his size at 6-7 324, is remarkable. In his entire career at VT, starting as a Freshman, both LT and RT, he held ALL of Ferrel, Allen, Burns, Wilkins and Lawrence to ZERO sacks. Those EDGE/DL players were all taken R1 picks 1-17... the guy knows how to play OT. Just needed work on his hands and feet. PLUS, he is highly athletic, having an ELITE rating in RAS and just short of ELITE in SPARQ.

I LOVE the RB pick of Dillon, a true battering ram. Ask him to get a yard and he'll get two. Pure power runner who weighs the same as Derrick Henry at 247, and shows a very similar running style. 2" shorter than Henry, provides a lower center of gravity, making him harder to tackle. Proven pedigree and reliable as F.

I'm excited for this season, and I do think we will be in a great position to win the whole thing & bring that Lombardi Trophy back home.

If they somehow pull that off, while spending their R1 & R4 on a QB who eventually gives us that same, legendary high level of play as Favre & Rodgers for another decade or more? wow...! This could go down as one hell of a great draft. And, I didn't even hit on the players taken late...

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April 29, 2020 at 10:54 am

Well said Greengold.

I will be honest I don't know much about the players they brought in. Either way they bring in competition.
One of the players I'm curious to see is Lancaster. He did not play nearly as well last year as he did his rookie year. If he gets back to his rookie level that improves the DL a lot. And we have Keke who I think its going to take a big step. One player that still can take a step is Adams. With DL it can take 3-4 years to get really good. Not all guys come in right away and produce.

I do wonder how they feel about Nijman. He was an intriguing UDFA last year and he could potentially be our backup swing OT. I just know I do not want to go through what we did with Light. He struggled bad and our offense suffered for it. That is why I would like to see them bring Veldheer back. But if Nijman can be that guy I'm fine with that.

I really like Dillon. He does bring that Henry style. I really think him and Jones could form a hell of a duo. I like Williams, but he simply doesn't bring anything unique to the position. He is good but not great. Dillon could be a big upgrade. And then throw Tyler Ervin in there with them and they could have a lot of options.

The one thing every fan should know, is that you can't win a Super Bowl until the season is played. Everything that happens in the offseason may look great on paper, but until games happen nothing is guaranteed. Green Bay has as good of a chance as anyone to get there!

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April 29, 2020 at 07:47 am

Al as per most sports venues the Ravens hit a home run drafting Patrick Queen and JK Dobbins both could have been had by the Packers and it would have rattled the NFC north, instead we got a bunch of question marks. I say if they think Rodgers is done then work out a deal to trade him now , Patriots or 49 ers would be perfect so Rodgers can get his second ring that he deserves , it’s not happening anytime soon with the Packers . You can’t sugarcoat this draft no matter how many times you try .

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April 29, 2020 at 08:06 am

Well said Lphill. Question marks all over the draft. The biggest truth however is your statement that a Super Bowl ain't happening in Green Bay any time soon. Maybe Rodgers can evolve his game to play in this new offense and generate some success but will he. Unfortunately, his contract has us tied up for another 2 years, at least, before the cap hit starts to become digestable.

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April 29, 2020 at 01:12 pm

WE only have to wait now.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:25 am

The Ravens had the exact draft we needed to have

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April 29, 2020 at 08:29 am

They also drafted Malik Harrison who a lot liked and Duvernay. Most people love the Ravens draft.

Our draft didn't turn out the way most envisioned. Though it doesn't mean we didn't get good players that can help.

We added a RB unlike any we have on the roster. He brings a Henry type of RB to the offense. For this year he will likely be a change of pace from Jones. But when it comes to December football wouldn't it be great to have a huge power runner with speed trucking guys?
Look at how the running game really got the Titans to where they did. Henry was a beast.

Deguara gives them a player that fits the offense perfectly. It gives LaFleur the player he needs to make the offense versatile and to make it look the same down in and down out. Unlike Graham who didn't fit what LaFleur wanted Deguara does. When LaFleur was in Washington he had Chris Cooley. I posted in another article Cooley's and Deguara's college stats and they were almost identical.

While we didn't add a receiver, lets not forget that RB's can be used in the passing game as well. Jones is a great receiver. Williams is really good in that role. Dillon supposedly has very good hands. But then throw in an x factor in our offense that most people forget. That is Tyler Ervin. He can be a special weapon for us.
Sternberger is another guy to really watch out. He was playing more and more late in the year. He was getting open a lot. 2nd year could be a huge year for him.

And lets not completely rule out MVS and Lazard and EQ as legit WR's. Lazard essentially was like a rookie who didn't start playing until week 6. EQ was out all year, but as a rookie showed what he could do.
MVS got hurt and never was the same after that. He had 26 receptions for 452 yards and 2 TD's last year. After week 7 he only had 5 receptions for 36 yards and no TD's. That means in the first 7 games he had 21 receptions for 416 yards and 2 TD's. An average of 19.8 per catch. While not monstrous numbers if those numbers continued for the whole year he likely would have been around 950 yards on the year. Those are good numbers. He can be a productive WR for us.
Allison is gone and he offered next to nothing for us. EQ and/or Funchess should be upgrades over what he provided for us.

While we didn't draft a WR we did add players that can help the offense this offseason.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:26 am

Ok but how are the Packers stopping the run is what I want to know , Oren Burks?

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April 29, 2020 at 11:23 am

One way is simply improvement from players. Gary, Savage, Keke are all entering year 2. Burks, Lancaster are entering year 3. Those players are just starting to enter their primes of their careers.
Another guy Raven Greene is a guy to watch as well. He was very good in his role until he got hurt.

Another way is by scheme. Last year Pettine ran a lot of lighter schemes to stop the pass. He might have to run some more run stopping schemes. Go with 5 along the front. Maybe a Safety in the box more. Having Savage in year 2 he might trust him to be deeper alone more?

They did go out and brought in Kirksey. He should be close to the same as Martinez. Maybe not as good, but the drop off shouldn't be significantly.
I do hope that they go and get a veteran DL for extra muscle up front.

There is more then one way to stop the run outside of LB's. Some of it starts with the coaches.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:19 am

Pretty funny. You mentioned Josiah Deguara, who was my top TE choice in the draft. Deguara had more receptions, yards and TDs than Travis Kelse at Cincinnati. Kelse is a 5 time Pro Bowl player....

Just thought I'd mention.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:42 am

I hate to say I agree, I am a big Rodgers fan and would love to see they guy get at least one more SB win. That is obviously not going to happen with the current Defense of the Packers. As good as the Smiths are at rushing the passer... they are not good against the Outside Zone attack the 49rs use and in turn is why they didn't even bother passing the ball.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:04 am

You might be right, but that means you don’t believe the smith brothers can’t do a better job at that and our younger defenseive players don’t improve. Also, half of our defense was in the first year of Pettine’s D so I expect to see improvement there. Lastly, the season is far from starting and players may still be added, so, stay tuned and maybe you will be surprised once again and your attitude might change.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:51 pm

It is also possible that the Packers feel that the best way to help the defense as constructed is to control possession more. Light fast defenses don’t thrive when it’s a 3 minute score or a three and out every time. There is more than one way to solve a problem, though a casual reader here might doubt it.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:55 pm

Venues aren’t known for insight but if you follow the talking heads blindly you will probably match them.

Deguara is a classic idea, many pundits still discussing as if he is a classic TE. He wasn’t drafted to be that and until one appreciates that drafting a TE there at all makes little sense and him being the choice even less. It also means the talking heads has no clue about what the Packers were trying to achieve, so the output is drivel. Only when looked at for what it actually is does the analysis bear consideration.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:50 pm

We have no idea if they are "home runs" as they have not stepped on a. NFL field, not to mention Dobbins faced a stacked box on like 11% of his carries, Gillon faced a stacked box on nearly half of his carries. How is Dobbins automatically a home run? Cause he played at Ohio St.???

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April 29, 2020 at 10:04 am

As time passes, I am okay with this draft. Not the guys that I liked but when you pick at the bottom of the barrel, you don't have much leverage. My overall feeling is still that we reached for everyone one of these guys, particularly a round 3 TE. Again, the late round pick and NO 4th round pick probably contributed. Still, too much "falling in love with a guy" kind of stuff.

I have no problem with not taking a WR. I do have a problem with not getting a DLine stud. If we are going to play with the contenders we need to play big boy football-not get run over.

This draft says "we are changing the way are offense is going to run". Aaron Rodgers will not win us another Super Bowl playing downfield pass and catch. He isn't throwing the ball well enough and every team knows his game. Rodgers is still playing early McCarthy ball. He either has to play a different game or we will watch this offense get more ineffectual. Not getting him a WR says we aren't playing that game anymore.

The value of this draft will be measured in how well Aaron Rodgers changes his game to match a new offensive mindset. To that end, the Love pick better work because I think Rodgers will want out before he is asked to play 49er ball.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:07 am

The 2020 draft will turn on how Love turns out. If he is Rodgers 2.0 or Favre 3.0 if you prefer, then Gute will have hit a home run. If not, we will have wasted the final years of Rodgers' HOF career.

My problem is that we went from a team that was one game away from the Superbowl to a team that is building for the future. That just doesn't feel right yet. I have been a Packer fan since the early 60's, so I will come around and support this team as I always have, but it just doesn't feel right yet.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:22 am

I can’t agree with the statement he will have wasted Rodgers final years if Love doesn’t turn out. It’s not like a late first and fourth round pick will make that much difference. There are many ways to build a roster.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:48 am

I hope you are right murf, but I fear the cap issues of 2021 and I think 2020 might have been our best opportunity at a SB. And a first and fourth might have made a big difference next year.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:38 pm

Guam, fear is understandable, but it is what stops many of us from succeeding. Gutey, I’m sure has fears about the what if’s on the Love pick, but he put that fear aside and is planning our future. He then took round 2 &3 for more immediate needs with an eye towards the future. One thing I always liked about the Packers organization over the past 25 years is they seem to always be looking ahead in addition to today and doing their best to stay out of SC hell. That way isn’t always a fan favorite, but it is that type of thinking that makes a long term successful type of team or company for that matter.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:50 pm

Gute may succeed with Love or it may be a catastrophic failure - no one knows at this juncture. I am concerned that Rodgers and MLF's system may be a bad match. If it is, we may see Rodgers in another uniform after the 2020 season and I will be sorry to see that happen because I believe this team could win another SB with Rodgers and the right personnel around him.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:04 am

"My problem is that we went from a team that was one game away from the Superbowl to a team that is building for the future."

It's not a true rebuild. Virtually all the front-line starters from 2019 return (save for Martinez and Bulaga). They didn't clean house. They're reshaping the roster at a layer below the starters. What we're really seeing is a GM/HC who are buying into 13-3 from a year ago.

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April 29, 2020 at 01:01 pm

Oddly I see exactly the opposite: a team that is moving away from continuing the MM system because they believe a new approach is the only way to improve the output from this roster in the short term.

I do not get the impression at all that they see last year as something to rest on.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:44 pm

Normally I agree with you Dobber, but not on this one. There is a clear shift in offensive strategy happening as well as a change in the personnel to run it. The total personnel change may take more than this year, but it is underway. The biggest personnel change may be at QB because Rodgers may be a mismatch for MLF's system. I won't be surprised if Rodgers is traded at the end of the 2020 season.

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April 30, 2020 at 09:46 pm

I don't think dobber implied what you inferred. Gute doesn't see this roster as needing copious additions of raw talent. Instead, he went for fit and immediate need, except for Love.

There is zero way Deguara was the most talented prospect on the board at 94. Zero. None. But he is a good fit for the shift to a new scheme. And he is a layer below the starters because H-backs simply don't play more than 400 snaps in any offense.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:19 am

Yeah I have a couple of ideas that have been floating in my head during and after the draft.

First off, I believe that the move up in the first round was to cover two players. They wanted either Love or Queen in that order, but didn't have the ammunition to move further up to insure the Love pick. I suspect NO was also looking at Love and when they passed Green Bay had a choice between those two guys. They picked Love over Queen. Before the draft, Jordan Palmer ,Love and Burrows trainer for the draft, said that Love had the best arm and most talented QB in the draft...but also the rawest.

I figured a RB would be the first selection in the draft, because MLF wants the offense to go through the RB verses the WRs. In order to do that...he needed more and better RBs. Why a banger verses a another Jones type, maybe they see another Eddie Lacy verses a Davenport from Miami that the Packers drafted during Mike Sherman's tenure. I don't believe that the Packer's thought any WRs left on the board would beat out the corp they have on the roster. It became a low priority position. It was mentioned the day before the draft that outside the top 5-6...the other WRs were at best rated #2 or worst WR types. Green Bay has plenty of them....

No real DTs picked. Confuses me, but during a press conference MLF said something to the effect that a change in scheme should take care of their run stuffing problem. I'm not sure that is the case, could be what the fans want to hear, but maybe the real issue is draft for offense and plug the holes in your defense with FAs. They are cheaper and less likely to bust. Last year's trio of defensive starters as an example. They got tired of chasing late first round defensive players that bust. Pick the offense and use FA to fill in the gaps is something I'm going to follow with the Packers.

Last issue with this draft...is that it seems that they picked players for their scheme and not BPA. Is it because they had nothing and needed something, or they really were the BPA in their rankings. Making the team a run first offense verses depending on Rodger's arm all the time. Continuing along that path is a recipe for long droughts of mediocre results.

Sorry for the length, but Jersey Al's column stimulated a lot of thoughts about the Packer's direction.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:00 am

Lot of good points. The DLine improvement via FA has merit, particularly since, outside of Clark, we haven't done much with drafting talent over the last decade.

I also agree that we probably drafted for scheme rather than BPA. Surely, our board couldn't have been so messed up. The Ravens draft may be the most impressive I've seen over the last decade. They will be a AFC power to be contended with.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:14 am

There was a lot of talk that the Colts were going to trade up for Love as well.

I also figured they would draft a RB. I just wasn't expecting round 2 to be honest. I thought Round 3-5 they probably would have.
But they added a guy unlike anyone else in the draft. And a guy who could really add something different.

I also wonder if they looked at the Chiefs who brought in Pennel during the year and figured they could find that type of guy to help if they need it. A rookie 6th round DL likeliy isn't make a huge difference this year. Also Keke could be a guy that really steps up this year.

I agree that they picked players that fit their offense, but i wouldn't necessarily say that they didn't take the BPA. We don't know how their board stacked. And before the draft it was put out that the media's players and how they ranked them were farther off then any year before.
Also, if a certain player fits into what they are wanting to do more, then it likely has that player rated differently compared to other teams.

Love Jersey Al's columns. This way I can throw a lot words out there. :)

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2020 at 10:10 am

"Last issue with this draft...is that it seems that they picked players for their scheme and not BPA. "

If a player is a poor fit for the schemes you run, is he really the BPA?

A lotta people have been crowing about "conversion projects" and "square pegs-round holes" for years.

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April 29, 2020 at 01:04 pm

Agree: BPA does not existing in a vacuum.

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April 30, 2020 at 09:56 pm

NO never got a chance at Love. MN had pick 25, traded it to SF which unsurprisingly passed on Love for Aiyuk. GB didn't move up until Miami was on the clock. If they moved up not knowing which player they wanted, Gute is an idiot.

GB doesn't have any #2 WRs. They have #3s and no one in the class of a James Jones.

If GB wants to grind it out, Dillon was their guy from the get go. In any event, he was unique and after Helaire, Swift, Taylor, Akers and Dobbins went off the board, Gute probably couldn't afford to wait for the 3rd round to take Dillon. Probably other players equally or more talented still on the board at 62, but Gute liked the fit and the player.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:24 am

If I had to pick, I'd say historically good. I'm a Jordan Love believer. AJ Dillon was also my Draft crush and I think he can be extremely helpful towards this team. I'll also add that I was really surprised we didn't take a DL, because I felt we could probably get a starter even on Day 3. Maybe this just wasn't the year for DLs.

Not taking a Day 3 WR actually made a lot of sense to me. How many of those guys do we need? MVS, ESB, Lazard, Kumerow and Shepherd were all guys who were Day 3 or UDFA WRs that made it onto the 53 at some point. Then we added Funchess. We can find out what these guys have and take a WR in the 1st or 2nd Round next year if need be. The 2021 NFL Draft is projected to have a lot of good WRs at the top end of the Draft, and a lot of teams just fulfilled their WR needs in this Draft. It was either get a WR early or don't get one at all.

Notable mention is ILB. I thought the Packers were going to address ILB in the first two days. I understand not taking one on Day 1, but there were still guys to be had on Day 2. I'm very concerned about our ILB position, given that's a big reason why we lost to SF (and yeah, obviously DE matters, too), we added Kirksey who has been injured often, Oren Burks is injured often, Curtis Bolten is solid but got injured, Raven Greene is a S playing ILB and he got hurt (no surprise at under 200 lbs), and now we added only a 5th Round ILB. That's risky.

I went into the Draft thinking our main needs were ILB, DE, WR and RT and we didn't fill a single one in the first 3 days (and didn't even add a body at two of them) and yet somehow I'm happy with our Draft. lol

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April 29, 2020 at 08:51 am

To put making the team better this year on the shoulders of two rookies that were an over drafted bruiser of a RB and an over drafted TE\H back is a bit insane. Outside of these two at lease WR Devin Funchess should help a little but that's basically the only improvements in the off season. We can't put a ton of faith in current roster players making a big jump when they might not have much of an off season. What blows my mind is the difference in philosophies between the Packers Offence and Defense. Mike Pettine's Defensive philosophy is STOP the pass at all cost because that is the easiest and fastest way to score points. While the Packers Offense is moving to a much more run heavy style than they are used to. This doesn't make sense, if Matt thinks that the best, toughest offense to stop is predicated on the run then wouldn't the defensive scheme be adjusted to fit that thought????

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April 29, 2020 at 08:45 am

I sympathize with you. I would been much happier if we at least drafted or signed a solid run stopping DT this off season. This could have helped the run defense in two ways, clog up the middle and protect our questionable ILBs.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:30 am

Scouting report aside, which paint these picks as superstars, much will come down to coaching and fit to scheme.The Niners made picking players that fit their system an art form during their great run. So let's hope the leadership knows what is needed better than we do. Overall this draft certainly was interesting, and for me more positive than negative.

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April 29, 2020 at 08:42 am

Great read, Al. I agree completely. Was in the same boat as everyone else, wanting WR, DL, ILB, etc, etc. Was crushed in the moment when Gutes took Love, but then came to realize the magnitude of his trading up: the possible heir to the Packers QB throne was dropping, unexpectedly. They got wind of IND wanting to trade up for him, and made the move to jump ahead of them to insure they got a player many consider to be a clone of AR with characteristics of Mahommes.

Could I, as a seasoned fan argue? Not really, considering how significant a move that could prove to be. He'll get a sold 3 years of development under one of the best QBs of this era, in a system he perfectly complements. Also, in his new role as Aaron Rodgers' backup, I cannot recall having a better backup should Rodgers suffer an injury along the way. Who knows what could result with a player this talented taking over in a time of need?

Ask any Bears fan about our getting Love, and they would know, this was a very smart move.

Both of our R2 and R3 picks may have been drafted "early" or "ahed of their draft positions," but, that's according to who? AJ Dillon and Josiah Deguara were the players Matt LaFleur really, really wanted to help him optimize his scheme, and Gutekunst went and secured them for his HC. If it was a little early, who cares? Gutekunst wanted to deliver for his HC on his side of the ball, after two years spent loading up the D. I can't blame him, and I really, really like who they took.

Losing the R4, back of R4 at that, for a chance to bring in the successor to another legend, to possibly become a legend himself, for THAT PRICE? I'll take that all day. However, it did have ramifications. I think that is why Gutekunst took Deguara where he did at 94, as he probably felt he was not going to last until 175, and he just went and got him for LaFleur. Good.

As for DL, it was without a doubt one of our primary needs, and I agree with you in that Willis could be a godsend. I honestly cannot believe the 29 teams ahead of us passed on both Gerald Willis and Jamal Davis. I wanted an NT to backup Clark, but have to admit, most rookie DL just don't have the NFL body and technique to be 100% effective. I could easily see Gutekunst adding here in remaining FA (Snacks?), at roster cut down, or via trade, 3 more avenues to acquire what he needs, and he's shown himself more than willing to tap any and all of those as needed. I'd rather have a veteran NT added if we are in fact making that run for the Super Bowl, and I do think we are.

WR? Um.... I got caught up in all of that too. However, I took a hard look at WR Reggie Begelton's highlights and came away very, very impressed. Gutekunst signed him after end of 2019 regular season, a CFL All-Star, and wow, does this kid play tough. He will wind up being that "QB's Best Friend" WR everyone was wanting us to add in the draft. He has phenomenal hands, runs great routes, and OWNS the middle of the field, routinely turning 20 yd catches into 40 yd receptions. Pure slot WR. Add the Funchess signing to the equation, and it seems we may have been more set at WR than I realized entering this draft.

One of my dear friends is a former sports writer with the JS, and he heaped very high praise on the Kamal Martin selection at ILB. I was like, "WHOOOOO?" Again, I trust Gutekunst and his staff to know what they are doing.

We'll all have to see, as no team wins the Super Bowl on paper in April, but, I have to say I really like our chances this season, and can't wait to see year 2 of Matt LaFleur's system in action, along with what I hope will be a much improved defense. More to come there, but, I have confidence Gutekunst will make it happen.

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April 29, 2020 at 06:34 pm

how does anyone know, that in the NFL, as a pro this Love dude will be anything special??? Any better than Kizer and the gum chewer??? Everyone blames his last season on a crappy surrounding cast, but it can't all be that..people who watched him and the team have their doubts as to how he will do in the NFL so lets not assume he is already a great backup...so was Kizer and a bunch before him...

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April 29, 2020 at 08:47 am

I’ll go for historically bad, I liked Gute until this draft.. Say it with me” IN GUTE WE BUST”..:)

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April 29, 2020 at 09:27 am

When we look at this draft in 3 years it will make the 2015 draft look good. Terrible timing to pick a QB, Rogers unless he retires is going to play at least to more years in GB. That leaves the team with only 2 years of a cheap QB contract because the 5th year option by the time they can pick it will be around 22M. A reach in the second round but looks like a productive day from day one. A reach in round 3 with a player that is small for a TE, slow for a WR and how wants a FB like Juszczyk when you have a QB that can throw. It is understandable that the 49ers want WR that play like RB and FB and TE all over the place because Garoppolo can not throw accurate passes of more than 10 yds. The hope of the draft is on the later rounds.
This year will be the year to evaluate the 2018 draft. At the moment does not look good, Alexander great pick, Josh Jackson, The guy can not play man and the Packers are not swiching to zone coverage any time soon. Give him a look at FS (Savage can play some snaps as slot CB) or trade him before he looses the little value he still has. Burks a great athlete an a terrible football player no Football IQ at all. Moore is in the practice squad of the Browns. MVS lookes good at the beginning of the season but regress after that, EQ we all have hope but didn`t show much the first year. Madison, The 3 OL picks give the impression that Gute doesn´t think high of him. Scott is inconsistent. Bradley does his job. I guess the best thing we can say about him is that we don´t talk about him. Looney is a long shot to make the team and Donnerson is with the Raiders now.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:07 am

thegreatrenaldo pointed out Rodgers can be traded after 2020 with small cap savings.

I'm not advocating it. Just pointing out that they are not stuck with Rodgers as long as we all thought.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:57 pm

If they trade A.Rogers after the 2020 season the dead money will be 31.5M and the cap savings 4.8M. In 2021 the cap dead money is 17.2M and the cap savings 22.6M. The data are from spotrac

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 29, 2020 at 12:59 pm

If they cut him June 2021 that is not the case. Go read reynoldo's article. It is meticulous.

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April 29, 2020 at 04:49 pm

Spotrac and overthecap have the same numbers. That is the most reliable surce that we have other than the team itself and it is usually very accurate.

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Coldworld's picture

April 29, 2020 at 05:03 pm

Actually, not necessarily and it sounds like you aren’t familiar with TGR’s work. Strongly recommend checking it out.

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April 29, 2020 at 05:03 pm

Actually, not necessarily and it sounds like you aren’t familiar with TGR’s work. Strongly recommend checking it out.

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April 29, 2020 at 01:05 pm

The main benefit--if they see Love as their guy and ready to go--is that if they trade him and take that $31.5M cap hit in 2021, his cap hit in 2022 is zero.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:31 am

To Al's final question: Historically bad, without a doubt. Run game blah, blah, blah. You invest heavy in the pass game. Only when that is 100% do you invest heavy in the run game. Passing efficiency is king in the NFL. And has been for far longer than people might imagine. With the rule changes of the past 30 years, that won't change any time soon.

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April 29, 2020 at 11:27 am

Well MM certainly would agree with you. I might have too a few years ago. At this point, football has moved on and Rogers has aged. while he is still good, looking at last year, receivers were open a lot. I gather that statistically we ignored open receivers more than any other team. looking at games, there seems some basis in that. That is an alarming fact if you want to go the MM route. The other is the likelihood of rookie receivers lifting a team. Yes it happens, but it’s the exception not the rule.

We will see, but I am starting to believe that this draft may be a much better one for this team than the one I hoped for and you clearly still think represented our only hope.

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April 29, 2020 at 01:19 pm

Coldworld, I agree with your assessment and I might add that a balanced attack, unless as you said you have a younger Arod, can provide a very dangerous O with an older Arod at the helm.

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April 29, 2020 at 12:44 pm

The most efficient passing attacks have healthy run components. Tom Brady has not been throwing 40-50 times per game. The Patriots built a strong running game for their veteran QB. What real game changing weapons did he have? Few years ago Gronk was on IR, he had Edelman and bunch of UDFAs...they won the SB...Belichick went with strong line play both blocking the run and pass and a run game with his veteran QB.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:41 am

So we were one game away from the Super Bowl last year as everyone states and we had it handed too us. What does that tell us. Maybe run the rock? Ohhhh and everyone wants a quality receiver in the draft. What good does that do if AR won't throw to him. No chemistry is always the excuse BS. AR gets a little too picky and our receivers never get multiple chances so they fail. Defensive line play in the middle is my biggest concern but maybe there is a plan for that. I liked our draft. A little against what the experts think which ticks them off and they give us a failing draft grade but time will tell!!!!!!!

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April 29, 2020 at 09:46 am

After this draft and after reading Bob McGinn story this morning, I have become discussed with this head coach...Matt Lafleur, first can not make half time adjustments, I don't know if I have seen such bad 2nd halfs of football by a NFL coach!

To continue to treat A. Rogers like this aggravates to the point I will be spending more time watching other NFL teams and this will be until Matt LaFleur is gone.

LaFleur and this GM, have made this life long Packer Fan madder than I have ever been. We had Farve and now Rogers, hall of fame quarterbacks. We have been to 3 Super bowls.

And now, we are going to waste the rest of A Rogers career so a (Up to this point) a weak, underqualified head coach can plot this direction for the Greeen Bay Packers. Oh, and when Aaron Rogers is with a other team, that will be the next jersey I buy. I will not be buying anything Green Bay for the foreseeable future...That is what I get to do as a caring consumer...I hope other GB Fans stop buying also...These are the things organizations understand.

Signed, Pissed off, disappointed, and moving my monies to the Milwaukee Bucks and the Wisconsin Badgers!

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April 29, 2020 at 10:22 am

"And now, we are going to waste the rest of A Rogers career so a (Up to this point) a weak, underqualified head coach can plot this direction for the Greeen Bay Packers"

Explain to me, then, how this team went from 7-9 to 13-3 in a single season, even though #12 didn't carry it on his shoulders. This team punched well above its weight in 2019, but they were remarkably resilient and seemed to play beyond the infighting and behind-the-scenes bullshit that supposedly plagued it for the last couple seasons under McCarthy. At least part of that comes from the coach.

"After this draft and after reading Bob McGinn story this morning,"

McGinn has been a sour, butt-hurt old fart for many years since his falling out with the organization. To put too much stake in McGinn without reading other sources is akin to being someone whose web browser opens to FoxNews or CNN and never reads any other sources. Put his comments in perspective.

"To continue to treat A. Rogers like this aggravates to the point I will be spending more time watching other NFL teams and this will be until Matt LaFleur is gone....Oh, and when Aaron Rogers is with a other team, that will be the next jersey I buy."

It's your right to do so...but the Packers owe "Rogers" nothing. They've made him a remarkably wealthy man over the years. ARod chose to sign his extension, knowing that the structure likely keeps him in place for awhile, but just because he wants to pay 'til he's 40+ doesn't mean it's in the best interest of the continued success of the Packers, nor does it mean that the Packers should feel obligated to let him do it wearing green and gold and carrying a cap crippling number relative to his performance.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:34 am

"after reading Bob McGinn". That was your first mistake. BM -was- a good journalist at one time but now he is a shadow of himself and has had it in for Packer management for a long, long time (to the point he lost his press credentials with the team). A recent article pointed out that, once again, BM got a hold of the private information on the written test for some top draft choices and published them on his for pay site. I'm old enough to recall when that sort of stuff was referred to as "yellow journalism". Go ahead and jump off the bandwagon as you obviously are a fickle fan at best IMHO. Meanwhile I will continue to follow 'my' Packers whether this is going to be a bad time (like the 70's and 80's) or a good time like we've enjoyed with Favre and Rogers. I never gave up on my team through the bad times and was thrilled with the good. Adios.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:57 am

In hindsight, I'm guessing that Gute and MLF did not see a qb coming in the next couple years that would be left near the end of round 1. That's a LOT of foresight. Just too much, really. Love is not a sure thing.

If Gute/MLF thought they could win a SB in the next 2 or 3 years with just a little more of the same, this made no sense. I was not in the 'we are a 13-3 team' camp. We were very lucky last year. It looks like they saw it that way too. Personally, I believe in the WRs we have now. I always liked Lazard. Between the new guy, EQ and maybe MVS, there are enough. Plus more dynamic TE's now. So maybe they are pointing at AR and saying - you have enough weapons to win, if you play as a team and stop holding onto the ball. He wasn't making the long throws like he used to anyway. I wish it was not the case.

And maybe they thought there is a short season this year anyways, if any. Then what. Those calculations are too difficult but maybe it factored in some how.

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April 29, 2020 at 10:15 am

Well said Pacman. I think you nailed it with ...If Gute/MLF thought they could win a SB in the next 2 or 3 years with just a little more of the same, this made no sense...

Getting Rodgers another WR to try and get more downfield guys open is, very much, more of the same. This offense was stale under McCarthy and didn't change much last year because of Aaron Rodgers. And, this (old) offense will not win us a Super Bowl going forward. Time to change. Rodgers can lead the way or be a guy who won't change.

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April 29, 2020 at 09:58 am

any time a GM creates controversy, which he certainly did, locker room chemistry is in jeopardy.....my prediction is dire.....like the soup nazi said, "NO CHAMPIONSHIP FOR YOU !!!"

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April 29, 2020 at 10:05 am

It’s ok we’ll just steal the 49ers soup recipes, that worked well for their super bowl win rioght?? Rioght..:)

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April 29, 2020 at 10:01 am

I want to be optimistic, I love this team( have for 30 plus years), but this feels like a huge fail.. I get the homer’s outlook of “ they can do no wrong”.. But for you statistic and info guys on here can you tell me this ?? Has there ever been a draft that gets d-f grades and is considered the worst draft of the year that actually became a top 15 draft ?