Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - It's Hip To Be Square

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Well, the NFL is at it again. I'm actually starting to really feel sorry for NFL referees. Already unable to consistently rule on what is a catch or interference or holding, now they have to evaluate if a tackle meets some nebulous criteria that designates it as a "hip-drop" tackle? And this is their part-time job! Don't get me started on the uber-rich NFL being too cheap to hire professional referees that make it their primary career and not just something they do on weekends.

According to the NFL, a swivel hip-drop tackle takes place when a player:

  • Grabs a runner with both hands/arms while attempting to make a tackle
  • “Unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body”
  • And then lands on and traps the runner’s leg(s) at or below the knee

It's interesting that the NFL Players Association came out against the rule change, citing the confusion this will create for everyone involved.  A plethora of players tweeted their displeasure, with the general theme being, how are they supposed to play defense with all the things they aren't allowed to do? Of course, the NFL doesn't care about defense, conveniently shaping player safety initiatives that will help the offense. The NFL wants high-scoring games that keep the casual fans interested. I also read a theory that the hip-drop tackle has come about as a result of the safety rules against leading with your helmet. So it's a bit of a domino effect and one wonders what new tackling technique the players will develop which will then be banned a few years later. 

So kickoffs are going to be different, huh? Since I absolutely HATED seeing fair catches on kickoffs, I have to get behind this new rule, even if it seems gimmicky. 

 

 

Here is a good discussion on what to expect from one of the people responsible for coming up with this idea for the XFL. Most interesting to me is how the role/skillset of the returner will change and how it will affect roster construction. 

 

I, for one, am very glad Keisean Nixon is back with the Packers and from the contract he received, it appears so are the Packers. I feel like he took more heat from fans that was really warranted and like the Packers, I'm hopeful he will thrive in Hafley's defensive scheme. It will remain to be seen if the new rules help or hinder him as a kickoff returner - an argument can be made either way.

I'm a little nervous about Gutey throwing full support to Isaiah McDuffie as a starting linebacker. When I studied him last season, I saw some flash plays, but also some wrong decisions as to which hole to fill on running plays. That left it up to our safeties to make tackles and we all know how well that went. I like his attitude and passion but he has to show better decision-making back there.

 

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Cheezehead72's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:58 am

Al another good short article. You are very concise.

If the NFL keeps making new rules on tackling soon the defensive player will have to consult with their attorney before they make a tackle. I will admit I like that it will be reviewed later and that a flag will not be thrown. Will the officials attempt to tell a player that their tackle might be reviewed so the player can correct it during the game?

I did not know that the hip drop tackle was a result of the using the helmet rule. This is what I try to tell people at work. When you make a change make sure you look at all the implications of the change.

The only issue I have with the new kickoff formation is assessing penalties on plays before the kickoff. if there is a penalty on the play before the kick off the penalty is assessed on the kickoff which makes no difference on this kickoff. I would like to see the penalty enforced after the kickoff.

What irks me is the possibility of the Packers playing in Brazil. One thing that is good is that it should not be played while I am at church like the games in Europe. What really makes me mad is that it would be streamed only on Peacock. The first game of the season. Roger really knows how to make bad decisions.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:10 am

"I did not know that the hip drop tackle was a result of the using the helmet rule."

It's not.

You owe it to yourself to watch Mike Wahle's latest episode which covers this. He gives much more information than I've seen from anyone else.

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dobber's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:18 am

I would argue that the tackling rules have largely been in response to...
1. concussions -- for both the tackler and the tackleee
2. lower body injuries

NFL needs to keep its product on the field.

That said, if these guys were good, wrap-up, form tacklers and not "run-and-hit" tacklers, most of this would be less of an issue...but with reduced practice time, if they aren't taught this in college they don't have much else to fall back on.

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Cheezehead72's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:32 am

You are right that there is less time for team activities but all these players make enough money to hire a trainer to train them to tackle properly and if they do not have enough for that they can get together as a group to practice it more.

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JerseyAl's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:29 am

I can not see highly paid athletes getting together down at some HS field to practice tackling. Bring your own pads? And if someone gets hurt...

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Cheezehead72's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:33 am

Me either but it goes down to taking initiative to develop your craft. They are drills that they can do that have no more chance of injury than lifting weights.

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Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:28 am

That would be a non-football injury, since it isn’t sanctioned by teams and indeed can’t be. An NFI can void contracts or at least bonuses. A player would have to be nuts to really practice tackling on their own initiative.

The problem is the CBA. The players wanted less contact and to dramatically restrict both pre and in camp time and scope of work. That prevents a lot of things, like the old MM QB School. It precludes almost any real contact tackling (in season is massively restricted too).

Yes, you can teach in slow motion, with dummies and on a screen. Good luck with that. Tell don’t perfect by practice seldom works well. I’ve long suspected that the lack of skill causes as many injuries and worse ones than it cured.

The solution has to start with the NFLPA reevaluating their stance on this issue I think and finding a better compromise. I think that’s a logical step from their position on this rule change, with which I agree.

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crayzpackfan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:51 am

Cheezehead72 - It is a league rule. They should be the ones providing the players what is needed to perform their jobs properly. It is not up to an individual player, nor should it be, to use their own time and own money to learn something within the confines of their jobs. It is up to the employer.

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LLCHESTY's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:32 am

The players caught to reduce two a day practices, off-season practices and practice times in general. That's why the good ones hire football specific trainers in the off-season. It's a whole cottage industry these days.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 27, 2024 at 11:46 am

What kind of trainer is going to train NFL players to tackle, and how do they know what trainer? And when exactly would they have time for this, when their in-season lives are scheduled to the hilt with meetings, practice and workouts?

In the offseason? That's not going to carry over into the season, and if anyone gets hurt, it's on them. They would be off the team on the non-football injury list and this would threaten their livelihood even more.

I don't think this is any kind of realistic take on how to fix tackling for the team. The NFL and the NFLPA agreed on the reduced practice time and the reduced padded practices, so this is the result. So fans might as well get used to sloppy tackling, though maybe they look to draft guys that already have this skill. And maybe Hafely makes a difference. But asking a player to spend his precious recovery time (physical and mental recovery) bouncing off other players is just not happening.

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crayzpackfan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 01:41 pm

WestCoastPackerBacker - You went inside my brain and typed this all out better than I ever could have. Thank you. And I am very sorry you had to spend ANY amount of time inside my brain. :)

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PeteK's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:18 am

Another reason is that big hits make highlight reels , but a good solid wrap up form tackle does not.

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Oppy's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:04 am

Boy, I hope you're right about Keisean.

I feel like he was very poor when playing the slot. He had 78 targets and allowed 63 completions.. He allows a completion 80% of the time he's targeted.

The contract the Packers paid him suggests they are viewing him as a core DB, probably playing the slot.
I'm skeptical. I don't think allowing 80% of targets to be completed is what we're looking for.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:15 am

Hopefully the new DC improves #25 as a slot CB, AND there's competition or at least depth at the position.

Also, last night I looked over the roster and there are now 10 LBs not counting those I recognize as OLBs, so that should lessen the panic at that position and increase the ability to focus on DBs in the draft, including bringing competition for #25. Or at least players to develop behind him.

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GregC's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:12 am

That depends on what the percentage is for other slot CBs, and what other relevant stats there are to compare them to each other (e.g. yards per completion).

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jont's picture

March 27, 2024 at 03:07 pm

Yes. Just my impression but it seems to me a slot corner is going to cover a lot of quick slants and outs to the flat-- high percentage completions-- so 80% all by itself tells us little.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 27, 2024 at 11:48 am

It was his first year playing the position, and we know now that Joe Barry was not a partcularly competent DC. So if Hafley thinks Nixon has the ability and there will be an improvement with his 2nd year playing the slot, then I'll go with that until we see otherwise.

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Coldworld's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:51 am

I think Hafley must like the film more than most lay pundits. Nixon did improve over the season. However, I think it also speaks to the role of the slot under Hafley. His slots tend to be more involved in run support and less in broad area coverages. They tend to be bigger and physical and perhaps closer to safeties than a traditional nickel.

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Oppy's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:48 pm

Well, like I said, gentlemen, I sure hope Al's right about Keisean, but he doesn't look like a good slot to me.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:05 am

Al,

I have pointed out that everyone overlooks the most important part of the new rule banning the "hip drop tackle:" if you don't land on their legs pinning it from the leg down, it's not a penalty. Leave it to Mike Wahle to explain it in detail, with video examples.

His latest video covers this, why the rule is a must, along with history of its development and problems with the language as written. He also covers that defenders absolutely can tackle as they always have and if this new rule is implemented correctly it won't change that in the least. While I miss his installments being here on CHTV, at least this latest installment is a must see!

Hopefully everyone will understand the intention of this rule and the verbiage will be improved so that it becomes clear. Even that won't fix the problem of the league cheaping out on not having professional refs. You'd think the NFLPA could prioritize and demand this?

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Oppy's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:10 am

I have no idea if this is accurate or outdated or just plain wrong, but I had always heard that most NFL refs have law degrees and/or are practicing lawyers or judges- the NFL feels it's a good idea to have the people on the field understand how to read and interpret rules and regulations and demonstrate sound logic in their application.

I know, I know.. we see plenty of examples that the Refs can't handle that last bit.. lol.. but that's what I had heard at some point in the past.

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dobber's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:14 am

Yeah, it seems most have pretty lucrative day jobs...but how long does it take you to pick up a skill or make something a conditioned response when you don't do it FULL TIME...<<nudge, nudge>>

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:19 am

Justice is blind and so are the refs?

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jont's picture

March 27, 2024 at 03:11 pm

Somewhat related, Oppy, "I have no idea if this is accurate or outdated or just plain wrong, but I had always heard that" a strikingly high percentage of league staff in NY have law degrees.

Forgot the source, but I remember this because it explains-- to me, at least-- much of the reason we see ever increasing use of replay and fine tuning the details of the rule book (though the rules committee ahs its role too).

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dobber's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:12 am

In the end, it's to prevent significant multi-week injuries to the valued skill position guys and keep all those marginal fan FFL people happy.

Now...I'll be happy if it prevents hamstring pulls...

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PeteK's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:23 am

Safety concerns while scheduling 2 games on Christmas Day this season which falls on a Wed.

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DoubleJ's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:14 am

Andy Herman talked about this a little bit yesterday. Basically there was 1 instance of this type of tackle per game last year according to NFL statistics.

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Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 11:37 am

One instance the NFL believes should have been called on average had the rule been in place and with the benefit of film study without time pressure. How many potential calls is that? How many delays and dubious calls?

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egbertsouse's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:32 am

I imagine the new tackling rules will result in hundreds of interminable reviews in which everyone stands around scratching their asses and watching a million replays thereby sucking any enjoyment out of watching the game. (Yes, I know that anyone under the age of 50 would rather spend their time watching and analyzing minutiae in replays than actually watching a real game.)

As for kickoffs, I would like to propose a new rule. After the receiving team lines up, eleven miniature clown cars drive out and eleven clowns get out holding ten wiener dogs and a football. While nine wiener dogs run around yapping and pooping the tenth runs around with the football and places it on the five yard line. Once the receiver picks up the ball the kicking team must try to tackle him while avoiding the poop and tripping over extra long clown shoes until the play is over. No good? Well, at least it isn’t as ridiculous as the new rule.

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DoubleJ's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:36 am

"I imagine the new tackling rules will result in hundreds of interminable reviews in which everyone stands around scratching their asses and watching a million replays thereby sucking any enjoyment out of watching the game."

NFL statistics show that only about 1 of these type of tackles happened per game last year.

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jont's picture

March 27, 2024 at 03:15 pm

"NFL statistics show that only about 1 of these type of tackles happened per game last year."

So one or two per game.

Let's hope they are not reviewed because even one more visit from Blandino is three too much.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:00 am

I only skimmed the new kickoff rules, but I think it covers most of your suggestions.

The good news is there are new sponsorship opportunities, you can have a branded cart (perhaps your mini clown car?) drive the "kick-off specialist" to the kick-off location (like major league baseball), there can be a kick off song (think Wild Thing), and there should be some sort of WWE preening prior to the kick, where the kicker removes his cape and stands at a microphone taunting the receiving team. This new rule is going to be awesome. The WWNFL presented by Brawndo - the thirst mutilator.

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CheeseEdWest2's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:52 pm

I was laughing my heinie off rather than scratching it. This commentary should be engraved on a plaque as a way of cementing this era of nonsense in Packer lore--along with a diorama and a series of recordings of the ridiculous things that happen when we ask the players to do this. Do the owners have no sense of history, tradition, and pride? I think 22 volunteer owners should form two lines and demonstrate on video how this will work, including the out takes. No swivel hip tackles either.

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T7Steve's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:48 am

Ai, do you think they'll have to make a new category in the record books for the new kickoff? Wouldn't seem fair to the great returners and kickers if they didn't.

The only tackle I worry about the with the Packers is "missed". Just like the new kick, it will swing some games and you just have to hope we're on the lucky end of the results.

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JerseyAl's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:32 am

I think you're right about the record books issue. Will be curious to see...

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:28 pm

Maybe Steve, but I doubt it.

The game has changed so much from where is was 40, 20, even 10 years ago.

It seems like the NFL is looking for ways to cancel the KO altogether. My sense is this "trial" may be kind of a last gasp for the KO after a score.

How does one evaluate a Herb Adderley's success vs Alexander's as a defender then vs now? Or Bart vs Love when you could literally mug the QB on every play with no penalty? Adderley had more advantages as a DB as Starr had disadvantages then vs today's game.

I am being a bit facetious, but could NFL Flag Football be in the near future?

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:05 am

This new tackle rule is bad. Just like sacking the QB and getting called for roughing lasted less than a year, this hip drop will good. be a thing of the past. I just don't hope we lose a game like we did before.

Resigning Nixon is good. He will have major impact on several games. And I have said before, that Barry contributed to poor DB play.

I am looking forward to Gute signing both a LB and S. Veterans at cheap rates. Plenty of time yet. There may be some post June 1st gems.

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Since&#039;61's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:10 am

Al - thais for a well done article as usual. The league just wants to continue to make the game more confusing to watch and to play and to officiate. I'm not sure how much impact this new tackling rule will have on injuries. It will undoubtedly add reviews.

As for the new kickoff rule it seems like the league is doing everything it wants to do which is to eliminate kickoffs completely. Why not just start every drive at the 25 yards line and go from there. It's what the league really wants anyway so why not just do it and get it over with. Moving on. Thanks, Since '61

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GregC's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:21 am

The point of the new kickoff rule is to bring kickoff returns back INTO the game by discouraging touchbacks.

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T7Steve's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:32 am

I never thought about this till I read Wes Hod answer a question with; "You can only attempt an onside kick in the fourth quarter, and you have to declare it beforehand."

That will make it even harder to do something desperate to get point when you're behind or even try something sneaky at the start of a games or anywhere else for surprise on kickoffs.

Give something back and take something away.

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GregC's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:56 am

I don't see this as significant. Surprise onside kicks are rare.

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Coldworld's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:39 am

The previous rule changes took much of the options to generate surprise in how an onside kick was run out of the equation too.

Actually, I am surprised a team hasn’t tried a drop kick for onside kicks and just head to the intended landing point en mass for a jump ball. Given the current formations the odds might be better of snagging a catch or rebound that way.

It is of course hard to drop kick the NFL ball—the hey day of drop kicking preceded the change of ball shape in the 30s from a rugby ball type shape, but it should be much more viable for a short kick of this type.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:46 pm

Re: Surprises. There's always the drop kick that can be used at any time and on any part of the field. Unfortunately, only Doug Flutie wanted to try it.

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Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:52 pm

Well, should be in the arsenal of the rugby player working out tomorrow.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:33 am

Tough to be a defensive player in the NFL these days, and getting tougher to be a fan when it's raining flags for no good reason. Does the casual fan need NBA All Star Game-like defense and scoring to hold their attention between Draft Kings commercials?

The kickoff rule change could generate some creative plays. Worth a shot.

Doesn't the CHTV Stylebook mandate use of "aforementioned" when "plethora" is used?

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MooPack's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:49 am

Jefe, What is a plethora?

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:22 am

it's a medical device.

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MooPack's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:32 am

But did you say that with your worst Mexican Bandito voice? That is key.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:49 am

Even though I don't care for the new rule, I get it. Many of these players are grossly overpaid, and the owners want to protect their investments.
Just think of those players who played for peanuts years ago, when player safety was nonexistent!
If players today can get through a career with being able to still walk, recognize their kids, and have a bank account we could only dream about, it's a win.
This rule won't change my enjoyment of watching the Packers as much as paying $13 for a beer at Lambeau does!

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PeteK's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:43 am

Also, this BS of exclusive games is ridiculous. So I have the NFL package through Youtube and will have to pay to view games on Peacock. The greed, that we are enabling, is past the outrageous stage. Time for fans to get together and plan a small boycott to show the league who really is in charge.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:50 pm

There's always live on-line streaming for free - from non-NFL approved sites.

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Zapato's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:27 am

Once again, we're in violent agreement on most of the points you make.

Not a fan of the "hip-drop" tackle. I didn't think the number of injuries resulting from such a move was any greater than the risk incurred by any other part of the game. It's probably just the owner's doing some CYA in case of future lawsuits. I'm also wait-and-see on the new kick-off rule. Having been an avid football fan for a long, long time, it's hard seeing so many changes to the game I grew up with. Just not the same anymore.

We need to keep in mind that Keisean Nixon, Isaiah McDuffie and everyone else on the defense will be playing under a new scheme this year. I think that's going to impact their abilities to contribute toward team success. Let's see how the season pans out. Both Nixon and McDuffie are hard-nosed players who might benefit under the Hafley defense.

One last thing! You mentioned the " uber-rich NFL" in your article. It reminded me of an article I read in the Washington Post this morning about some justification for fan ownership. Here's the link in case anyone's interested. Sorry, it's kinda long!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/26/fans-own-teams-baseba...

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Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:27 am

I had penned a detailed Rugby-based explanation of why this rule is not necessarily a bad thing in theory as it’s better tackling technique not to land on feet/cleats, but the problem is it harder to do in practice in football where many tackles happen in a crowd and where one can no longer take out the lower legs to topple.

Of course it got eaten by the gremlins before I pressed submit. Maybe that’s a good thing, but no time to rewrite. Just to say that this is a contact sport trying to pretend it can maintain quality and still avoid injuries. That’s simply not true at this point.

A step too far, despite the fact that better technique will avoid most of the third, leg falling, criteria if other nearby bodies allow it.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:32 am

Hip drop tackles in other words, 1 player gets hurt so they have to eliminate it.

Some rule changes for player safety make sense. The horse collar made sense for example. But hip drop tackles?

NFL needs to have full time refs. Officiating is one of the most inconsistent things about football. Which infuriates fans, which can also allow room for people to feel the game is or can be rigged. To prevent a lot of that, they need to have full time refs where that is their careers.

The new kickoff rule will create some interesting innovations I think. How will players decide to block and how will some teams try and pursue. I could see the kickoff team dropping a guy or 2 back to be the safety. It will be interesting to see what teams do.

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Cheezehead72's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:42 am

The hip drop tackle was used 230 times last year and there were 15 injuries due to the tackle. That is a 6.5% rate of injury per tackle. Rather high.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:28 am

Don't worry, soon it will be pushing players out of bounds will be illegal also. Because that could hurt someone on the sidelines.

Football is a dangerous sport. Injuries will happen.

A lot of players have mentioned wanting to play on grass not turf. The injury rates are higher on turf vs grass. So why do they not enforce every field has to be grass? If injuries are that important to the league they would make that change.

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Coldworld's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:28 am

Landing on the feet of a person being tackled is a bad idea for tacklers as well as potentially for the player tackled. It’s not the use of weight to pull a player down per se.

The move is defined by the competition committee as the defender “unweighting himself by swivelling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee.”

I think the concern is that when bringing a player down by any means, there’s a certain lack of control that inevitably can lead to such landings. While that can be reduced, two bodies in motion bring unpredictability and other bodies around can impact that too.

So how will teams and players respond? Will we just see a lot more hugs and scrums holding the player up and forcing him back? Will players abort tackles and just miss to avoid it? I doubt that at least when the alternative is a big play.

The problem is that you can’t tackle below the knee now so how do you bring a guy in motion down who is not running straight into you so you can drop and rise (a challenge anyway for DBs against larger players)?

We will see how this works out in practice, but I sense a fictionIn the reasoning here. Being tackled is inherently an injury risk to both taller and tacklee. Take too much out of the game and the game eventually loses.

Football without tackling is not football and not interesting to me. Flag football is like flag rugby, fast, fun to play, but after an initial period where the speed is enthralling, ultimately a boring spectacle consisting of track with hand eye coordination that has no appeal as a long term prospect for me.

PS. Artificial turf is a big factor in the injury risk for the tackled player in drop-hip type tackles as it lacks the give of natural grass. At some point the League needs to face that reality for this reason across more than drop-hip tacked if it wants to be taken seriously.

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CheeseEdWest2's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:58 pm

That was my immediate thought: drop two safeties. But will they allow hip drop blocking?

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:23 am

Rich Bisaccia will need to be designing many new KO plays. Blocking schemes on returns could get very creative including stunts, slants, twists up front as the two opposing lines will be nearly nose to nose...and expect reverses, fake reverses by the two returners in the landing zone.

Coverage units will need to be even more disciplined because of the above. Rich's teams took a step backward last season due to penalties and mistakes. Time for Rich deliver. Hope Carlson can perfect the "landings".

Going to take some time for players and fans to get used to it, I believe.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:29 pm

This off-season - the spotlight will be more on the ST Co-ordinators than the players. I'm interested to see how much of his salary - is earned by Bisaccia.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:27 am

I am surprised Al didn't comment on the new place kicker signing yesterday. I am really happy that the Packers realize wasting any points at all next year, especially with as close as most of the games are, is a fixable problem. I am not sure this kicker is the answer though, he has a strong leg so kickoff returns should be less frequent if he wins the competition.

There are 3 kickers in the draft to keep an eye on that have stronger legs than Carlson and Podlesny for sure.
Josh Karty-Stanford
Harold Mevis-Missouri
Will Reichard-Alabama
Karty and Mevis hit 60+ yard FGs last year, Mevis set SEC record @ 63 yards
Maybe one of them as UFDA

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:34 pm

Bringing in Joseph signals to me that Gutekunst is serious about an open competition for the Kicker's job. I also think that Gutie will draft/sign 1 college kicker - making it a 4 kicker tournament. May the best leg win!

P.s. your favorite college kicker gp1?

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Leatherhead's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:31 am

I don't like the rule change, but as with most things, the key will be to adapt and recognize the opportunities this presents. Life is 10% what happens and 90% what you do about it. Obviously, you're going to have to try to kick the ball into the zone and you'll have to return kicks. Just kicking it deep into the endzone guarantees a start at the 35. So there'll be more returns and more penalties and turnovers. The best kick would be a line drive that touches at about the 20 and takes a crazy bounce. There's no point in those high, deep kickoffs anymore.

The tackling thing......back in the day, you could do a lot of things that you can't do anymore: clothesline tackles (one of my favorites), horsecollars, crack back blocks, head slaps, blocking below the waist on kicks and punts, the Wedge, . Hitting the QB in the face after he threw was part of the game.

And it has helped player safety, and it has made it harder to get big, fast guys on the ground. I mean, it's always been hard to get those guys down, but now there are so many more of them, and you can't hit a "defenseless" receiver (defenseless my ass.) . It used to be, you might have one guy like that. Now, teams are lining up 5.

If you're hoping for good, clean tackling by a DB to stop a 225 lb guy with a head of steam, good luck with that.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:29 pm

I'm wondering if with the new kick-off rules that teams may start experimenting with special teams players kicking off. Distance is no longer key as kicking it in the end zone results in unfavorable starting positions, now, maybe it makes sense to kick line drives into the ten yard line and hope they make their way thru the end zone. Also, if you don't need high arching deep kickoffs why not have someone who can tackle kicking the ball off.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:17 pm

I think the kicker position is all about the points you get from placement kicks, FGs and extra points. Kickoffs aren't the priority of scoring plays.

I'm not sure how I'd want to approach this. If I truly had a kicker who could just knock it into the endzone, I'd do it. If I didn't, I think I'd be using a lot of squibs.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 28, 2024 at 09:32 am

i don't mean to diminish the importance of a kicker, i'm wondering about the new kickoff rules and whether someone who only has the leg to kick it to the ten, and yet can also run and tackle is going to become a thing. I'd rather have a linebacker or tight end kicking off and actually covering the kick than a full time kicker whose importance to scoring far exceeds his importance on special teams...

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Packers0808's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:55 am

Why the hell Brazil of all freaking places. NFL is driving spectators away. Now expect to you to get another channel to have to pay for. I have been a Packer fan since 1958 and am about done with foolishness the NFL is pushing for every dollar. I am also the old fashioned guy and like a good old defensive game which is not practically gone from even memory!

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Leatherhead's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:11 pm

Brazil is nice. It'll be Spring. You should consider taking a vacay. I'd rather go to Brazil than London or Germany.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 01:34 pm

My son is a twenty-something who travels to Brazil to train in capoeira (an afro-brazilian martial art). He loves it there. Thinking that the Packers players will as well.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:18 pm

Well, if you like beautiful places with beautiful weather and beautiful women, it's not a bad place to be.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:28 pm

Reasons why the F.O. may not want to take the players to Brazil? Potential concentration issues?

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:33 pm

The game is international, adapt or die. Brazil has a population of 215 million, give or take, and they are wildly passionate sports fans. That's a lot of potential revenue.

Do you think the NFL doesn't notice the Premier league's growth and not feel concern that they could lose eyeballs to a far more attractive and elegant game, with no commercials every 3 minutes.

Per the NFL, Brazil has 38 million American football fans.

Per @NFLBrasil
12.5% of their fans support the Packers.

That’s roughly 4.8 million Packers fans in Brazil.

The population of Wisconsin is 5.7 million. Just saying...

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Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:11 pm

The Premier League play exhibitions globally, not in season. For exactly the reasons discussed here.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 05:28 pm

yes, true. but the NFL doesn't do offseason exhibitions, and they barely have any preseason, it's not like you're going to fly 18 hours for a preseason game.

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stockholder's picture

March 27, 2024 at 11:43 am

No to Brazil.
No to London.
No to traveling outside the USA.

No to new Rules,
The refs don't follow the Rule book now.
How many times have they changed the outcome.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 01:26 pm

No to Christmas?

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Tundraboy's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:03 pm

lmao. no fun allowed!

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10ve 💚's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:16 pm

Good article Al, as usual 😊

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Duneslick's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:57 pm

NFL rules people are idiots. that's how you tackle from behind. You don't dive at the legs. You grab them at the waist and slide down to pin the legs. If you dont slide down you will just be carried down the field. BTW why arent people upset about the commissioners diversity rule.
Since the NFL implemented its diverse rewards policy in 2020, UP to 2023 the San Francisco 49ers have been front-runners.
The Niners were awarded five compensation draft picks in the third round for developing Martin Mayhew, Robert Saleh and Mike McDaniel. They'll receive two more for Ran Carthon and another if DeMeco Ryans becomes a head coach this offseason.
7 maybe 8 for the 49er Five other teams have been awarded a total of 10 compensation picks.
Wonder why they are always a top team.
The policy enacted in 2020 states: "Clubs that develop a diverse employee who is hired in the position of Primary Football Executive or Head Coach at another club, will receive a draft choice compensation in the form of a compensatory draft pick in the third round in each of the next two drafts. If a club has two employees hired for either a head coach or GM position, then that club will receive third-round compensatory pick in the next three drafts."
Why not make deals with other teams to hire diverse people from your organisation as part of a trade. It costs them nothing and you get 2 3rd round picks

Developing these candidates allowed the 49ers to accumulate extra draft picks. The team traded a 2023 second-round pick, 2023 third-round pick, 2023 fourth-round pick and 2024 fifth-round pick to Carolina in October for star running back Christian McCaffrey.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:01 pm

Perhaps a better question is why aren't other teams doing the same thing. The 49ers are being rewarded for being smart, maybe that's a fine place to start. They also seem to win quite a bit with those coaches.

The Packers have a pretty white coaching staff, currently both coordinators, and the HC. I can't remember a coordinator hire who was not white.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:02 pm

For 2024, around 54 % of NFL players are African American - as well as around 36 % of assistant coaches. In GB - certainly not 54 % of the assistant coaching staff are Afro-American. Even 36%? While O% of the HC, DC and STC group are Afro-American.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 01:01 pm

On Refs - It is so cliche to complain about refereeing. And every fan base does it - NBA, NHL, Premier League, WWE :) etc. The fact and reality is that these officials are the best in the world. Certainly officials strikes prove that - when replacements are brought in. Due to the speed of the game(s) - calls will be missed. However, it has been proven, time and time again, that refs make far more correct calls - than not. As for the NFL Refs being only part-time - some context is necessary. Many of these officials have professional "day jobs" - i.e. doctors, lawyers, engineers etc. They do not want to leave their professional careers - which usually earns them a significant income. So be it. They are still the best in the biz and it should be of some comfort to know that smart and capable people are officiating NFL games.

On the Hip Drop Rule - I like the hip drop rule. Simply, the hip drop tackle is dangerous. That is why rugby banned it. There seems to be much protest and confusion about this new rule. However, like the horse collar - when you see it - you'll know. To close, "All things are difficult before they are easy." - Thomas Fuller

Further to New Rules - I haven't been a fan of Mark Murphy's work in recent years. However, a tip of my cap to him for voting against the new kickoff rules. Not that he was voting against the concept of bringing back the kick return - just it's implementation. He thought it prudent to trial the new rules (somewhere) - before its permanent implementation - so as to work out and refine some parts of it. A perfectly sensible recommendation - especially relative to player safety. NASCAR teams would never race a new engine without testing it first.

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CheeseEdWest2's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:10 pm

As long as refs make bad calls in a random fashion--not favoring one team--I say let it go. In the end they will even out, over a game or a season. It happens because nobody is perfect. It penalties are weaponized against a particular team--if you could show there was a fix on--that's different.

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Turophile's picture

March 28, 2024 at 04:39 am

Essentially you are saying an unclear rule is fine. That is not good for players, coaches, or refs.

The idea behind the rule may be fine, but the wording is what everyone goes by and it needs to be clear.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 28, 2024 at 11:58 am

Once you've seen the hip drop tackle - it's clear what it is. Rugby players know what it is. As I'm guessing that most NFL players are visual learners - it will eventually be clear to them - once shown. This is all just a tempest in a teapot.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 01:13 pm

Well, I expected some comments from you Al regarding this "new" rules. At the moment, change in the kick off looks pretty more exicting and helping teams to create some interesting plays, while helping in injury reduction level.

Regarding tackling rule, I admit I have to watch Mike Wahle podcast to be able to tell anything at least little competent about issue. If it is true that last season that kind of tackle happened only once, than I believe this will not be issue.

However, additional piece of gem from you, Al.

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Lphill's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:31 pm

welcome to flag football!

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stockholder's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:42 pm

Really - Nice post

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marpag1's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:40 pm

I "unweighted myself" once. That toilet never recovered.

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NFLfan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:48 pm

Re: Nixon. He is one of my favorite players because of his heart and intensity. However, I don't think he is fast enough nor skilled enough to be in the slot CB position. Kick returner, yes.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:13 pm

Rewatch the playoff games against Dallas and SF, if you can. He surprised me with how well he played, frankly. He brought his "A" game.

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MitchAnthony's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:14 pm

Come on, really. With all these comments about the new kickoff rules nobody has made mention of the old South Park episode "Sarcastaball". Too dang funny and spot on.

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Turophile's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:10 pm

Mike Wahle had a very good explanation of the hip drop. What hurts the tackled player is the tackler, after grabbing his guy somewhere in the waist/chest area, feet off the ground, then swinging around behind the guy to be tackled after grabbing him, and hitting him in the back of the legs with his own body, sometimes folding the guys ankle up as your body weight comes onto it, twisting and tearing it.

He also mentioned that the rules were badly defined and needed better wording to make the rule clear, both to players and referees.

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Qoojo's picture

March 27, 2024 at 10:23 pm

So the tackle sounds like the tackler is putting all their weight on the back of the runners legs. Sounds like a good idea in principle.

What about tackles from behind? I guess just go for legs, not hips.

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Iain's picture

March 28, 2024 at 02:19 am

"Grabs a runner with both hands/arms while attempting to make a tackle"
Surely that is the definition of a tackle.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 28, 2024 at 10:22 am

"“Unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body”

Geez, I thought I saw this when I was visiting the Great Pyramid in Cairo. It was clearly displayed in an Egyptian hieroglyph. Now what, rewrite history?

4th and long,

Pantz K. Sutra

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 28, 2024 at 10:45 am

you can also see examples of the swiveling and hip dropping in the celebrated Attic ceramic figurines of ancient Greece. Dropping the lower body indeed.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 28, 2024 at 11:02 am

Well BNS, all I know is that I tried that move in the back of my 76 Toyota Corolla and got slapped.

Oh well, GPG!

Pantz in the Attic

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 28, 2024 at 11:07 am

Always enjoy your articles, Al!

Unfortunately, my post isn't much related to your article but is in regards to a mock draft I just did and I had to share due to just how amazing/ridiculous it was. First, a little background I have 3 small start-up businesses that consume my time....all of it! However, at this time of the year when I need a short break from work, I often use one of several mock draft simulators for a distraction before refocusing on work. Yes, I already know in advance a few posters will critique the draft below and want to pontificate who I should have drafted but that is okay. It is all fun! LOL!

First, I am 'almost' always into drafting big bodies to win the trenches, and for many years now the Packers have rarely been that physically dominating team. I am sensing this philosophy might be changing with the front office approach. In round 1, I simply had a trade offer I could not refuse and traded back from #25 to#27 and picked up a couple of extra draft choices. Therefore, here is my draft that IMO would be a draft for the ages. :)

#27 - OT, Taliese Fuaga
#41 - OT, Tyler Guyton
#58 - LB, Edgerrin Cooper
#71 - LB, Payton Wilson
#88 - RB, Jonathon Brooks
#90 - RB, Jaylen Wright (I know 2 RBs? I like them both, and the way the draft was falling I just couldn't resist Jaylen)
#91 - S, Javon Bullard
#126 - CB, D.J. James
#169 - IOL, Isiah Adams
#202 - QB, Jordan Travis - Florida State
#219 - IOL, Trevor Keegan
#245 - Edge, Braiden McGregor
#255 - Safety, Jaylon Carlies

Alright....fire away my fellow GBP VP Gen Managers...... :)

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Leatherhead's picture

March 28, 2024 at 12:45 pm

Knock.....I have to give this an A. Put a gold star on it and tape it to the refrigerator. SEVEN picks between 27 and 91....that's one turn every 9 picks or so. I'd be happier than a pig in mud if it turned out like this for us.

However.....it still leaves Newman on the gameday roster. We have 5 starters, you add the two tackles and that makes 7. You add Isaiah Adams, and we're at 8. If it comes down to Newman and Caleb Jones for the 9th spot,we can cut Newman but then our only interior backup would be the rookie, Adams. Meanwhile, Caleb would be our #5 OT. If Newman is on the roster again, I'm going to have to ask the doctor to increase my dosage.

Fuaga, Guyton, Cooper, Brooks, Wright, Bullard......I've had them in a bunch of my simulations. I hope we get some of them.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 28, 2024 at 03:13 pm

Hey LH!
I had to laugh at your response and yes, I'd be happier than a pig in mud too if the draft ended anywhere near what I posted. Gutey I believe would be attempting to perform handstands if this happened as well. :)

My drafts 'always' have a minimum of 4 OL and quite frequently 5. This is a Packer offense that is going to be together for a lot of years and they are going to be explosive scoring points. Let's improve the OL and make it an absolute strength. I do want to see a really good RB picked up who is shifty and hit the right holes in the mold of AJ. A guy like Wright, Brooks, or Benson would be a fantasy come true.

I constantly want to add Payton and Cooper in my mocks to shore up the middle. Been wondering if the Packers need to truly add an Edge to compensate for Engabare, or if they can pick up an LB like Trotter who is also a good pass rusher. Going to be fun leading up to the draft.....my favorite time of the year...unless the Packers are in the SB! :)

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Leatherhead's picture

March 28, 2024 at 04:58 pm

''''''This is a Packer offense that is going to be together for a lot of years and they are going to be explosive scoring points. Let's improve the OL and make it an absolute strength.'''''

Preach. That's exactly how I see it. If we go out there and score 30, it isn't going to matter if we have a few weak links in the defense.

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