Confessions of a Polluted Mindset: A Packers Brain Drain

Random thoughts swimming around in the Packers' section of my brain.

Packers - Jets: I have to admit, I wavered on Sunday. While not normally a proponent of tanking, I convinced my self it was ok this time around. It happened somewhere between the Packers going down 14-0 and then 21-7 to the Jets in the second quarter. Things looked so bleak, I convinced myself it was for the best. It was a brief few moments of frustration and confusion. But then the Packers came back to make it 21-17 at halftime and any thoughts of tanking went out the window. 

The Comeback: For some reason, I felt it in my bones. When the Packers went down 35-20, there was no doubt in my mind the Packers would score two touchdowns. I'm not usually on the mark with such predictions.

Rodgers - Davante: The first half, it really felt to me like the main reason Rodgers wanted to play in this game was to get Davante Adams the Packers' receiving record. Adams ended up with 18 targets, 11 catches, but only 71 yds (6.5ypc). At some point, though, Rodgers' competitive instincts took over and it became more about winning the game.

Jamaal Williams: What a fantastic game by Williams. As much as I like Aaron Jones and his big-play potential, as I've said all year, if you need a tough couple of yards, Williams should be in the game. Take that running back series rotation BS and bury it. I'm all for using both Jones and Williams if it's done to play to their strengths, not just that it's their "turn."

Lucas Patrick: It's a small sample size, but it seems to me Patrick should have been starting all along over Bell or McCray.

Rodgers: Is there any doubt now that Rodgers had mentally checked out on Mike McCarthy? Sure he is still showing some accuracy issues but his on-field demeanor has been very different the last three games.

Spoiled fans anonymous: My name is Al, and I am a spoiled fan. Having experienced the electricity in the air during Packers playoffs games at Lambeau Field, I'm not willing to settle for less and I'm just not that interested in seeing them in person in any other scenario. While I likely wouldn't turn down a chance to see them at Lambeau Field during the regular season, seeing them play in an opposing team's stadium no longer has much appeal for me. The Packers were in my backyard this past weekend and I was just not that enthralled with seeing them live. If I'm not going to have that Green Bay energy and Lambeau Field experience, I'll watch it on TV. Don't blame me, blame it on the city of Green Bay and Lambeau Field. My name is Al, and I am a spoiled fan.

Screen Pass: The Packers 4th quarter screen pass just before the two-minute warning might be the best-executed screen pass I can remember in the last five years or so. Everything about it was on point. It was the perfect call vs the oncoming corner blitz, it went to the side of said blitz, Rodgers and the line sold it, the throw was on point, Patrick and Linsley actually got out in front of the play, McCray joined in from the opposite side, they got downfield quickly and found someone to block and Williams did not outrun the blockers. Fantastic in every aspect. Only a major from-behind hustle play from Jets LB Brandon Copeland prevented if from going for more than 26 yds and possibly a TD. Fantastic. 

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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Jonathan Spader's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:18 am

"Rodgers - Davante: The first half, it really felt to me like the main reason Rodgers wanted to play in this game was to get Davante Adams the Packers' receiving record. Adams ended up with 18 targets, 11 catches, but only 71 yds (6.5ypc). At some point, though, Rodgers' competitive instincts took over and it became more about winning the game."

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

I thought Rodgers was trying to show the NFL just how dominate Adams really is. Then he started to rush for TD after TD. Is Rodgers making it all about Rodgers a bad thing? For me it wasn't. I loved seeing Rodgers once again looking dominate instead of looking like the Rodgers we saw in the 1st 3/4 of the Jets game. Now please just play a solid game start to finish as a team in a 3 phases.

Sidenote: Really enjoy your Braindrains Al they help me feel like hey it's not just me. Keep up the good work. (Spader - Al make it all about you and then make it about me)

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HankScorpio's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:02 am

I thought it was Adams' least productive games on the year. Lots of catches, sure. But not much yardage and pretty bad completion % (61%). It sure did look like Rodgers was force feeding him when the Jets were doing a good job on him. Coming out of the half, Adams caught passes on 4 of 5 plays for a grand total of 22 yards. That was the moment when I thought Rodgers was playing the game to get Adams' those team records.

But even with all that, Adams was there with a wide open route for the OT winner.

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MarkinMadison's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:48 am

OK, Time Out folks. What have we been complaining about all year? Rodgers pushing the ball downfield too often instead of taking the short toss to keep the chains moving. Now, they give us exactly what we asked for, and it WORKED, and we are going to criticize it? Really? Not even saying you are entirely wrong, but REALLY?

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Jonathan Spader's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:25 am

MarkinMadison

I don't care if Rodgers throws the deep or short pass. I want him to throw it accurately and he has shown all year that he simply hasn't been able to in 2018. As for the Packers giving me "exactly what we asked for and it worked" did you tune in during the 4th quarter or actually watch the full game?

The Jets absolutely dominated the Packers on both sides of the balls for about 80% of the ballgame. The drawback for the Jets is as long as we have Aaron we have a chance. Aaron did not win this game through shirt accurate passing. He won this game through scrambling like the Rodgers of old.

You offer 0 examples of how pur offense verses the Jets worked. Al mentioned a perfectly executed screen pass which I've been begging for all year. Without a missed easy FG early on by the Jets and being bailed out by the refs the Packers lose this one. Against one of the worst teams I the NFL.

I'm with AL in that I'm an entitled fan who thinks this roster is capable of a hell of a lot more. I want to see the Packers click the way they did in 2014. We won and I was thrilled by the ending it was a throwback to game 1 vs the Bears Rodgers. I'm frustrated because all the Packers give me is a small glimpse and 0 consistency which is the storyline of 2018.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:29 pm

I'm not an "entitled" fan. My spoiled fan status was strictly about attending games live. Nothing can compare with the Lambeau playoff game experience.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 26, 2018 at 07:32 am

Not sure if “dominant” is fitting, but I’ll take “move the chains” after all of the struggles this year.

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GBPDAN1's picture

December 26, 2018 at 07:39 am

Now that Rodgers played in a meaningless game from an unable to qualify for a playoff birth perspective , I don't agree that he should play in another. These games have basically the same meaning as preseason games. Rodgers got hit to many times in that game for my liking.

I'm glad Rodgers looked better and the Packers put up over 40 points and 500 yards of offense. It was a great game to watch, we got the no road win monkey off our back and it was a team unifying win. Loved the fight I saw in the players, especially Rodgers. This will carry over into next year and any quality coaching candidate can see that this team still has a great QB.

That being said, play Rodgers a quarter next game then install Kizer. Adam's will get his 2 catches need for the record and we will have a healthy Rodgers to start next season.

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PeteK's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:42 am

Not against a division opponent who beat us earlier in the season.

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GBPDAN1's picture

December 26, 2018 at 12:14 pm

I didn't say tank the game. Who's to say we can't win with Kizer? He was a starter last year in the NFL on a bad team. He's had a whole season to learn our offense and we are playing the not so good lions at home. Do I think he's good at this point?.....no. Do I think we have a great chance of winning with Rodgers?....yes.

But, what better setting to analyze Kizer then in a live game with real bullets flying which is much different than preseason games. He looked bad against the Bears in the opener, let's see if he improved any. This game is a great opportunity to analyze our young players to see what Roster moves are needed for next year.

And for the folks that are giving me thumbs down on only playing Rodgers a quarter, I won't be looking so bad if Rodgers gets drilled in this meaningless game and rips up a knee or some other body part. We need our 133M man in one piece. I saw some hits last week where he landed on that shoulder that made me cringe

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Lphill's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:38 am

Living in New York I had the opportunity to go to the game for free but decided not to,but before the game began I felt I should have gone to support my team then after the game I was really sorry I didn’t, the Packers will be back next year to play the Giants and I will be there.

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NickPerry's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:14 am

Your not alone Al, I'm a spoiled fan too. Not so much for the reasons you listed but because this off-season is about as important off-season as the Packers have had here since 1992 IMO.

These last 2 seasons are just the 3rd and 4thg losing seasons the Packers have had since 1992 but the first time they've had back to back losing seasons since 90, and 91. The Packers this time around have something they didn't have at the end of 1991...A QB. Favre didn't arrive until the summer of 1992 and that's when the great run of winning once again started.

I'm anxious these days because I have NO IDEA how or who Mark Murphy is going to hire. I don't entirely trust Murphy either, mostly because of this "Structure" that is the Packers front office. Murphy is a business man playing football guy. I want a football guy playing football guy. I'd feel a hell of a lot better if Gutekunst was doing the hiring.

My hope this January is Murphy gives me hope I'll STAY a spoiled fan, at least for the next 5 years or so. I want to go to Lambeau and KNOW the Packers will probably win the game because their great. Time is running out. The Packers can not screw this up because I'm not ready to go back to the 80's.

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Savage57's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:34 am

"Murphy is a business man playing football guy."

Huh? There aren't a lot of team CEO's in the NFL who won two rings as a player, were named All-Pro and Pro Bowler, led the league in picks, served as a team union rep and have experience as a college AD.

Methinks you're not giving MMu his due as a football guy.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 26, 2018 at 07:15 am

College AD and union rep are administrative positions that don't do much to enhance the resume of someone as a "football guy"

About the only thing that does is his playing career 3 decades ago.

It is pretty obvious that Murphy waited too long to move on from TT. When he finally did, he was inclined to give the job to Russ Ball before MM and AR intervened. Prior to that, his biggest involvement in football operations was his clumsy intervention in the Favre retirement fiasco. Given all that, I have no confidence in his ability to make the correct decisions in football operations.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 26, 2018 at 07:46 am

^^^^THIS^^^^

Murphy should be a CEO. That's it. Right now, we have an obnoxious, over-involved "owner" in the mold of Jimmy Haslam, Dan Snyder, Mark Davis, and Jerry Jones.

Murphy - hire a GM. Let him do his job. The end.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:24 am

I saw Murphy interviewed on the news after the MM firing and he TOTALLY considers himself a “football guy”.
Uh-oh.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 26, 2018 at 12:25 pm

A man has got to know his limitations.

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dobber's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:42 am

I like pie. I can eat pie and I know a good pie when I eat it. But I can't bake worth a damn.

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Oppy's picture

December 26, 2018 at 12:10 pm

I agree that Murphy, like any Packers president, should make business decisions, and limit his involvement in football operations to his decision to hire or fire a General Manager.

That does not mean that Mark Murphy isn't a football guy. He's probably far more of a football guy than most of the league will ever have as a president or owner (John Elway being the exception, I guess.)

However, just like being a great player doesn't make you a great coach, I don't think being an on-the-field football guy necessarily makes you more qualified to make successful football decisions than a guy who's experience is solely in sports administration, either.

I do find it hilarious when people take pot shots at Murphy for not being a football guy, though- they're just pissed a guy with a fancy degree from the big city came to their small town team and used a phrase like "crossing the Rubicon" that they didn't understand until someone explained it to them. As it turns out, he's as much of a football guy as you can realistically get.

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Savage57's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:03 am

He did pretty well with his coaching hire at Northwestern.

I know it runs counter to the babble-du-jour among Packerland, who now have to bitch about Murphy since MM is gone, but the guy's got more pure football knowledge than most of the guys in the league, including Gutekunst.

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dobber's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:15 am

When we look back at the hiring of Pat Fitzgerald, we have to remember that Randy Walker died shortly before they opened fall camp at Northwestern. The only option was to promote a coach from within, at least on an interim basis. The fact that he jumped over coordinators to pick Fitzgerald showed he was either very insightful or very lucky.

Murphy might know how to play, on-field, but he's got minimal background in scouting or roster-building. Prior to coming to GB, he was a lawyer who ran businesses and was AD at NU. Maybe he knows how to identify leaders, though. Fitzgerald is intriguing to me because I think he's a leader, and I suspect he's going to have an eye for choosing assistants who can teach and will let them coach.

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December 26, 2018 at 09:37 am

What I think most of us fans don't realize is that the football community is pretty closely knit. As Gutekunst mentioned at the press conference, these scouts and player personnel guys spend quit a bit of time together throughout the year traveling around the country. And even though they're employed by different teams they get together many evenings over meals and drinks and share their knowledge of players and coaches.

I think Murphy & Gutekunst will do a good job as long as they're willing to work together and agree on the final guy. Between them they probably have over 50 years experience in the NFL and lots of friends and contacts for references as well.

Personally, I hope one candidate really knocks it out of the park with both of them. I've been involved in some employee interview/hirings where there was disagreement on the best candidate, and that can get kind of messy.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 26, 2018 at 12:41 pm

"the guy's got more pure football knowledge than most of the guys in the league, including Gutekunst."

What makes you say that? Have you talked to either of them about football?

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:52 pm

I actually have spoken to both thru the years as I live in the GB area. Gute is a young football guy that still has lots to learn but Murphy is one smart cookie. He's in a league of his own intelligence wise.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 26, 2018 at 04:32 pm

Yes, because you can rise to the pinnacle of a profession without knowing much about it.

Gutekunst was a HS player, like lots of us. He played at UW-Lacrosse until he got hurt, then coached briefly until becoming a scout, which is where his experience is.

Murphy also played HS football. He played DI football in the Ivy League. He played in over 100 pro games and made big plays in big games.

He then worked as a college AD for ‘20 years, earning an MBA and a law degree along the way.

It’s fair to assume Gutekunst knows more about scouting. In other areas, it’s obvious that Murphy would have more knowledge and experience. I think either of them know a helluva lot more than you or me.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:33 pm

And yet, neither of these gents have ever been in my kitchen.

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Community Guy's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:27 am

thanks for sharing. i felt the same about Rodgers working it for Davante. i think quite a bit more will be written about this, and, in general, what do individual records mean?

i think there is some kind of ideology in Packer Nation now that is divisive. there has been the idea that a true fan cannot cheer for their team to lose. this ideology is supported certainly by people in the industry whose income (and/or personal identity) depends on on-field performance by the Packers. we, as fans have to understand that we are the independent thinkers here.. while we are so often not experts, one thing we have authority on is being a fan. we, as individuals, get to chose how best to be a fan. if someone wants to tank in a particular situation because there is a longer term benefit for the team/for the team's chances at another SB, let that individual feel that. damn, that is allowing for diverse perspective.. screw the group think requirement, and screw the guilt if we are having individual or independent feelings. come April, those who wanted to tank for a better draft order are going to feel more justified in their thinking.. the point is we all want the Pack to win, some think that winning later trumps winning now.

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December 26, 2018 at 08:33 am

In baseball, when a team is in decline and rebuilding, they trade away all of their high priced, expiring veterans and compile loads of minor league prospects. Hopefully some of those prospects ripen nicely and re-stock the major league roster. In the meantime, everyone understands and accepts that the big league team is going to struggle for awhile.
The problem I see is that the NFL demands far less patience. Teams can turn things around much more quickly. So, if GB loses “meaningless” late season games, it is hard for fans to accept. Thus the debate over “tanking”, “true fans”, “losing becoming a habit”, and, “man, that TK is insightful”.

Ok, I threw that last one in there to see if you read all the way to the end.

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dobber's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:49 am

I think the reference to MLB (and, as much, the NBA) is a poignant one in the sense that these other leagues, that play SOOO many games, are just different animals. Both have game-based developmental player systems under the control of teams. The NFL has none of that.

NFL teams play 16 games. Every game is important, especially for SB contenders and playoff teams. NFL teams don't necessarily have the luxury of weathering slumps or waiting out injured stars. Losing a key player for two weeks could mean you're staying home in January. What's more, having a team or two in front of you in the standings lose a key player for those couple weeks could turn an OK season into an unexpected playoff berth.

TK IS insightful.

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December 26, 2018 at 08:59 am

I applaud your perseverance. ;)

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 26, 2018 at 04:25 pm

"Show me those who applaud perseverance, and I'll show you people who will slow-clap determination." - Abe Gibron

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Rossonero's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:36 am

Concur with you Dobber. To add on, the new CBA also hamstrings team's ability to have padded practices and help them develop.

Ever since the new CBA came into play, I feel like September is an extension of pre-season-- except instead of watching backups play sloppy, we now see starters play sloppy, get their rhythm, or not play fundamentally sound.

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December 26, 2018 at 12:27 pm

I felt that, too, but just for the Packers. I think it was MM’s approach to managing the team through the pre-season these last few years. The Packers seemed slow out of the gate on offense, and then needed a near-Herculean performance to get back on track.

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December 27, 2018 at 08:42 pm

Something that differs between FB and BB as to rebuilding is FB's salary cap and league wide revenue sharing structure.

I don't profess to be a baseball guy- in fact, I don't like baseball much at all, and I know I don't know much about it. But I do know that the way MLB teams go about their business of building a team is impacted greatly by their market size and ability to spend. I think it's why they immediately unload salary and horde picks / minor league prospects in a rebuild. It's also why they accept they're gonna struggle- because that's just how it is when contracts for top players are basically infinitely high because a big market team with money can just continue to spend without capping. Teams don't have a choice or an option. Gotta go youth and hope players develop on their first contract before they get stolen away.

Football having both a cap floor and ceiling and the revenue sharing system mean you can still get back into the game and compete because every team is playing under the same financial constraints.

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PatrickGB's picture

December 26, 2018 at 07:40 am

“All or nothing is a two edged sword”. It’s like the line from Shakespeare’s hamlet. “ To be or not to be”. As a fan I want it all and when I don’t get it my first response is the urge to give up. I am so glad the team did not give up.
I love your stuff, Al. Keep it up, please!

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Bearmeat's picture

December 26, 2018 at 07:53 am

I was on the "tank" train 100% after the loss to the Vikings. But 2 days ago, someone here changed my mind. To me, the only good reasons to try and win from an organizational perspective:

1. To show potential coaches that ARod hasn't "lost it." That the problem was MM and not AR.

2. To show Gute what the current players can do - especially those potantially on the chopping block who haven't gotten much playing time.

Momentum doesn't carry over from year to year. It just doesn't. These two reasons are the only ones I can think of that would possibly benefit the Packers more than increased odds of landing a top player in round 1.

And even with that, I'm still not sure I buy it. I was originally upset my team won. Which is weird. But there you have it.

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SJ EC's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:05 am

well said, Bearmeat - I can definitely see both sides of the coin here, and am always interested to hear other’s reasoning behind a given stance. You definitely hit the nail on the head regarding momentum carrying from one season to the next. For more evidence of this, see: Hangover, Super Bowl

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HankScorpio's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:16 am

" I was originally upset my team won. Which is weird. But there you have it."

That's why I have been advocating playing to win, primarily. You can construct good arguments for either direction.

In the end, I didn't want to be pissed off if they succeeded. I'd rather that the dark cloud be the loss with a draft pick silver lining than the other way around.

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December 26, 2018 at 08:50 am

DING! DING! DING!!!

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December 26, 2018 at 08:59 am

I had some belief in the momentum argument until the last few days. I agree: it was unlikely and a coaching change will likely nullify any chance of that. Still, these guys doing their thing and putting out good film shows a new coaching staff what they can do, simplifies the scouting process, and potentially makes the off-season player-acquisition process more pointed, efficient, and effective.

"To show potential coaches that ARod hasn't "lost it." That the problem was MM and not AR."

I was on this as an important reason for #12 to play: either he looks like he has all season and doesn't damage his stock any further, or he plays better (and has looked better as Philbin has settled in as play-caller) and becomes an enticing piece for a new coach. I'm more convinced than before that there was plenty of blame to go around, but that #12 is going to be an issue going forward. Maybe a new scheme and all that goes with it will re-engage ARod, but it's going to take a real insightful eye to get this coaching search right

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December 26, 2018 at 09:53 am

If ARod wants to ever be considered more than a "top 15" QB of all time who plays clean and got lucky once in 2010, then he's going to HAVE to change his game and STFU so the coaching staff can do it's job.

If he doesn't, he'll be considered the equivalent of Dan Marino. Great player who couldn't elevate his teams. Or... (ironically) Brett Favre. For the same reasons.

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December 26, 2018 at 09:28 am

I was on the tank train only to trade down. The packers depth on that DL was better than written. Aaron Rodgers showed leadership again. But I don't agree with #1. The problem was Aaron Rodgers. He was a love sick idiot, who wanted MM fired. This is MMs staff! And they aren't doing anything different. The damn if you do, Damn if you don't, did screw MM. People wanted change. And people will want that change at QB in the next few years. Either Arron Rodgers gets his s**t together like he did in this game. Or the Packers better draft another QB.

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December 26, 2018 at 01:50 pm

"Either Arron Rodgers gets his s**t together like he did in this game. Or the Packers better draft another QB. "

Due to the contract extention, Rodgers will be our QB for at least 4 more years. You want to draft a QB now?

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December 26, 2018 at 03:04 pm

Yep 4 more years like this one? Thats what your going to get. No body is afraid of Rodgers, or the packers anymore. Two seasons of Bad. Wait to see what happens with a new coach. Rodgers will be on the IR! Bank on it. The packers went from drafting 10 to- 14. They could end up at 18. Because the Detroit Lions will tank this game. You now have 2 picks in the 1st round. Forget the blue chip players at 18. Every win means dropping 8 slots in every round. Packers management only saw Rodgers like yourself. What are you in Love with? Rodgers or the Packers.

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Guam's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:25 am

Thank you Jersey Al for your stewardship of CHTV and for your insightful articles throughout the year. Much appreciate your efforts on behalf of Packer Nation!

I am curious what you saw in Lucas Patrick that made you single him out for a positive comment. Ross Uglem saw the reverse (liked McCray and not Patrick) and I share Ross's view. Patrick played a horrible game against the Bears and then was beaten several times against the Jets. What did you see that I didn't?

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The TKstinator's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:01 am

You had me at “stewardship”.

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dobber's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:01 am

Here's hoping that neither of them is starting next fall.

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PeteK's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:10 am

Agree, they could be solid backups.

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dobber's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:18 am

A guy like McCray, who can cover up to 4 positions on the OL, is an ideal game day reserve.

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Guam's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:31 am

I'd like to see McCray and Taylor as backups with two new starting guards.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:18 am

AR got hit 12 times. 12 QB hits is an extremely high number. Some of the hits might be credited to AR himself (a long-standing problem that was perpetuated) but one or more offensive linemen had a bad day in pass protection. I thought it was Patrick and to a lesser extent Bulaga (2 holding calls - could have been more, imo).

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December 26, 2018 at 10:04 am

Personally, I'd like to see three new starters on the OL next year, the new coaching staff can then pick and choose who best to keep as backups. It'll be interesting to see how their opinions differ from ours and the current staff.

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Guam's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:29 am

With all of our other needs, replacing three on the O-line might be a stretch although I certainly wouldn't mind it. I suspect we will see Bulaga start next year, but hopefully they draft a strong backup as Bulaga will not play 16 games. I agree both guards should be replaced.

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December 26, 2018 at 10:44 am

3 in one year seems like an awful lot.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 26, 2018 at 01:16 pm

Yes it does. And Taylor has played well - just not on a regular basis this year. I'm more than inclined to give him another shot. I think letting a low caliber FA or a stopgap fight it out with Cole Madson (assuming he shows up) next year will be fine for RG too. It's RT I'm slightly worried about. Bulaga is on fumes. Spriggs has been inconsistent at best and bad at worst. And OTs are $$$$ on the FA market.

I think Gute will have to draft an OT in the first 2 days in May.

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Oppy's picture

December 27, 2018 at 08:50 pm

Here's a question:

What happens if Cole Madison neglects to ever report to the Packers?

Does the NFL have a system in place that offers some sort of draft capital compensation for a draft pick that never reports?

I don't want this to happen, I hope it doesn't.. but if it does... Does the league reimburse the Packers in some way?

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Lare's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:11 pm

Yes, but its doable if they determine its a priority.

Look at this year, they determined CB was a priority so they used their first 2 draft picks on it (Alexander, Jackson), signed two veteran free agents (Williams & House) and signed others as needed (Brown, Redmond, Pleasant, Campbell).

The Packers have been just getting by on the OL for a number of years, throwing below average players at the position (Spriggs, Murphy, Taylor, Pankey, Light, Siragusa, etc.) and expecting them to play well.

I think they need to finally devote some resources to improving the OL once and for all, while letting some of the current starters serve as backups should the need arise.

IMO, they should invest in a quality FA, add an early draft pick and then another mid-round pick on the OL. That should allow for them to address the safety & LB/Edge positions through FA and the early draft as well as TE & WR/returner needs in the mid-later rounds.

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Guam's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:54 pm

I agree with a high quality free agent and a second and fourth round picks for the O-line, but I am not sure I want to see two rookies starting next year. Would be happy to retain Bulaga and Taylor and have the second and fourth rounders compete and work their way into playing time. Let's hope Gute picks better O-linemen than TT in the early rounds (Spriggs, Sherrod).

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:19 pm

Lare,
I agree 3 are needed between FA and the draft. I am sure prior to draft day Gute will know whether the Pack can count on Madison returning or not, and whether he is in football shape or not. If the answer on Madison is a yes all around it is possible the Pack can draft one OL (presumably with 1b for an OT), and a FA. This would save draft capital for other positions such as two edge rushers, TE, Safety, CB, and a great kick-retuner/scat back!

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JerseyAl's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:37 pm

As In said, it's a too-small sample size, but Patrick impresses me as a battler - a TJ Lang type in the making (remember it too Lang several years to become an NFL player).

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:44 pm

Totally agree Al. We might have something there.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:36 pm

Larry McCarren likes him too.

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Oppy's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:52 pm

One thing Lang always showed, straight out the gates, was an impressive ability to absorb the impact of an Aaron Rodgers-flung cabbage to the body after a poor talent show performance.

https://youtu.be/v5ik--HJ4gk?t=44

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PeteK's picture

December 26, 2018 at 04:51 pm

That was sick, Rogers hit him with a cabbage laser right in the face. hahaha

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Lare's picture

December 26, 2018 at 02:49 pm

A new coaching staff may also help.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 26, 2018 at 03:20 pm

Hmm, I dunno, Al. I mean, she has great abs and is certainly fit, but outside of that race car she's barely over 100 lbs. Battler, sure, but she'll have to put on a crap-ton of weight to play in the NFL.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:20 pm

Interesting you mention Patrick and Lang. Patrick's attitude definitely reminds me of Lang and that isn't all bad!

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PeteK's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:06 am

I felt exactly the same way when the Pack was down 14. However, the Rogers led Packers were not giving in and that made me want that win. I didn't see that fire in Rogers the previous 2 games. The rotating back debate is tricky because playing a back to their strength might be giving the play away to the D. The contributions the young players made(unexpected solid play from Lancaster) were exciting and the main argument that these games do matter because it shows that we can win without our beat up veterans. I'm looking forward to the Lions game and predict that we will see a very motivated Packers team.

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Bure9620's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:13 am

I am spoiled as well and this season was terrible but I actually don't think the Packers are that far off. We have seen growth From St. Brown and MVS, whom I think will be primary contributors next year. Jaire will be an All Pro player and his arrow is pointed up as is Clark. A few free angency acqusitions and a solid draft and a new ST coodinator put this team back in contention.

Let's not forget, costly missed field goals against the Lions cost us the game, We actually beat the Vikings at home if not for a phantom RTP penalty, we were a short drive and field goal from beating the Rams if Ty takes a damn knee, a fumble in the Red zone against the Patriots cost us that game, a bad coaching call cost us the seahawks game. This team has played like crap but they actually had a chance to win all of those games while playing like crap! A new coaching staff could turn things around immediately. The future of this franchise is in the hands of Mark Murphy.

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Handsback's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:17 am

The Packers struggled to beat the Jets. The Jets have won 4 games this year...nuff said.

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dobber's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:21 am

It's hard to win on the road in the NFL...especially if you're the Packers.

Case in point: Packers are still unbeaten at home and have not consistently played well. They've gotten the benefit of a marshmallowy-soft home schedule (maybe this season looks much different if the road-home were flipped), but haven't dropped a home game to a soft opponent.

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Since'61's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:07 am

Dobber - hate to mention it but we did lose to the Cardinals at home. Thanks, Since '61

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dobber's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:55 am

DOH!!!

Some traumatic experiences we blot from our conscious minds... ;)

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Gort's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:29 am

Hello, I am Gort and I am a spoiled Packers fan.

I used to swap VHS tapes of football games by mail with a Bears fan in Green Bay. It was the only way each of us could watch our favorite team. That was in the dark times. Since then, we have been spoiled with 2 great QBs that have started all but a handful of games. I complain because I am spoiled but also because of the fear that the dark times may be coming again. A new coach and new staff will be named in the next few weeks. Hope they make good choices and I can be spoiled some more.

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Since'61's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:37 am

Al - Like you I didn't want to go the Jets game. I had tickets but I gave them to the family of a disabled vet.
They had a great time.

For me, there was no need to go to a game with the Packers out of the playoffs. I'll catch them next season on a trip to Lambeau.

In any case I watched most of the game from home and it was good to see AR play well. The issues and holes in the roster that we identified since the preseason are still there. Rodgers just overcame them this week which hasn't happened very often this season.

Fire Zook and get better players except for AR, D. Adams, Bak, Clark, Alexander, Martinez and Daniels.
Thanks, Since '61

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PeteK's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:23 pm

Also, the following: Jones ,Williams, Lowery

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 26, 2018 at 09:52 am

Sunday the Pack has a chance to finally win TWO IN A ROW this season and get that "winning feeling" set into the team culture a bit again as they head into the off season.

To me, winning on Sunday will be much more important than getting a few better ticks in draft position.

Get the win. Two in a row. Last Sunday was a character builder when they could have given up several times. They didn't.

Don't against the Lions, either. Win!

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The TKstinator's picture

December 26, 2018 at 11:27 am

I really wonder (doubt) with all the changes coming in roster and coaching staff if two wins at the end of the season has any carryover effect at all.

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scullyitsme's picture

December 26, 2018 at 01:39 pm

It doesn’t and won’t. There you go. Your welcome. :)

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 03:59 pm

Absolutely not TK. It is so laughable to hear so many gullible people talk about this and actually believe it will have some type of carry over. It won't. It's already forgotten by most.

Week one next year. Rodgers in team huddle prior to game starting. Talking to a team with a new head coach and 3/4 of the roster that weren't on the team last year. "Let's go out kick ass like we did last year in New York". 1,2,3, (what the f is he talking about?) dominate!!

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PeteK's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:37 pm

The psyche of the locker room is at stake because the majority of the roster will be the same. Respectfully, you have either forgotten or have not been in one. I'll trade 5 draft positions for two wins .

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:44 pm

"The psyche of the locker room is at stake"

Just lol

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The TKstinator's picture

December 27, 2018 at 07:06 am

@PeteK: So, to clarify, you’d rather finish 7-8-1 and pick tenth than 5-10-1 and pick fifth?
That’s where we differ, methinks.

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PeteK's picture

December 27, 2018 at 08:24 am

No, pick 16 instead of 10 and end the season on a small win streak.

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stockholder's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:29 am

Today is Candy Cane day. Like the good peppermint taste, it should have opened the nasal passage to clear thinking. Rodgers still can lead. Rodgers wanted to win. Rodgers has us hooked, like the cane design. He kept us believing in hope, rather then the steps this club must now take. The steps to super-bowl are suppose to start with the draft. Not Rodgers ego. I never saw a QB change so much during a year. His nose is plugged with Money. And he's cost the packers this season. But yet we feel grateful we have him. Common we all like candy. So let's understand that the packers have to start the process of finding a new coach before new players. Clear thinking is not thinking about Rodgers. It's about the future. Constant change wrecks the chemistry of a club. Just like candy, the more sugar, the sweeter the taste. The magic, and the ingredients of the packers, is great players. Loyal players who want to succeed. And they are wrapped together like a candy Cane. But let's not get on a sugar high. The team picture has changed. Either the players become a family of sweetness, or their doomed.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 04:12 pm

I'm a true fan of your work stockholder. Agree.

Dash

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Leatherhead's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:22 pm

I have to disagree with the premise that we need to find the coach before the players. The HCs job is to coach what he has.

In picking the next HC, there is really only one question: Do we want a coach who can transition this team to the post-Rodgers era? That means getting the most out of Rodgers while we prepare the next guy.

If we don’t, then we’re looking for a guy who can win right away with Rodgers, possibly Philbin.

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PeteK's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:47 pm

I don't feel comfortable with Philbin . Even though I was an MM supporter, change was needed, and Philbin seems to be an MM clone.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:19 pm

" I'll trade 5 draft positions for two wins ."

Would you be willing to trade 5 draft positions higher for two losses and a guarantee Philbin would not be your next head coach? If Old School is right (and he very well could be) you are rooting for the wrong team.

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stockholder's picture

December 27, 2018 at 09:01 pm

You pick a coach for scheme. You draft players that can fit that scheme.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 28, 2018 at 03:38 pm

I believe that was one of TT’s biggest faults; in interviews he admitted that he “just tried to pick good players and let the coaches sort them out”.

I also believe Dom’s and MM’s greatest faults were just trying to force square peg players into the round holes of their systems.

Furthermore, I believe one of Pettine’s greatest STRENGTHS is using players according to what they do well.

Amazing that this description applies to the NFL. I know middle school coaches who try to adapt to their players. Ugh.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 26, 2018 at 11:05 am

lets also not forget how many calls went against the Jets...that was sort of unreal for them being at home...but hey...it much more fun to watch them come back and win for once...now for what we in the U.P. call the "Toilet Bowl"....beat them Lions drop down some more in the draft.....

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December 26, 2018 at 01:07 pm

Remember the calls that went against the Packers at home against the queens? Shit evens out.

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Oppy's picture

December 26, 2018 at 12:22 pm

The last thing I want to see from a "leader" in two "meaningless" games is more of the same type of tunnel vision targeting that #12 has fallen into over the last few years.

I love Davante Adams and have been one of his biggest proponents since his drafting, but I had serious problems with Rodgers forcing the ball to Jordy last year when he was trying to prove "Jordy still has some juice left" and I don't believe trying to force-feed a WR the ball to get him a franchise receptions record sends a great message to the team as a leader.

What this offense needs more than anything is to spread the ball around more, not focus on the star and artificially feed him the ball to get him a record.

We already see to much of Rodgers ignoring other open WRs because he's hoping Adams comes free downfield in a few more seconds.

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December 26, 2018 at 04:31 pm

Excellent comments Oppy. I agree. Jersey Al even was mentioning it during the first quarter about Rodgers appearing to be forcing the ball to Adams on purpose. Rodgers has once again fooled half the gullible sheep here thinking he's out there doing this for leadership purposes and a winning mindset to finish the year lol. He was only out there to pad his stats and get in the names Aaron Rodgers/Davante Adams ahead of Brett Favre/ Sterling Sharpe in the Packers record book. What is the word for this? Ah that's right ...selfish.

Aaron is all about numbers so to him I am sure this was worth it. For the common sense fans who were thinking about the long term benefits and what is best for the team instead of an individual? Not so much.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:31 pm

Honestly, I believe Rodgers wants Adams to beat Sharpe's reception record but if I had to venture a guess he would like to preserve Jordy's yardage record for him. They are long-term buds those two.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 26, 2018 at 04:14 pm

Who will be next Packers coach?

1. Filapinno was fired
2 . Jim Harbough said no
3. John Harbough is staying in Baltimore
4. Bruce Arians said no
5. Dont think the Packers want to take a chance on a defensive coach or college coach.
6. Josh Daniels does not seem a likely.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 04:33 pm

7. Aaron Rodgers

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Leatherhead's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:26 pm

About 40% of interims get the job. If he wins Sunday, he’s 3-1. Rodgers seems to be in his corner. He’s experienced. I’d say there’s a 50% chance, or better, that it’s him.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 06:51 pm

Well if Rodgers seems to be in his corner than Aaron Rodgers will choose him as the next head coach (in name only). As most gullible people don't understand yet and apparently never will, it is Aaron Rodgers who has the final say in these matters. He's the one with the most power on the team. I say make Rodgers the player/coach but maybe Rodgers doesn't want to appear like he's the guy calling the shots so Philbin would be an easy target. You could be right Old School.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 26, 2018 at 08:23 pm

The unnecessary contract extension on Rodgers has me thinking they’re not really thinking that much about transition.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 26, 2018 at 05:57 pm

Here are some interesting facts I just came across about Rodgers. I am sure more than ever he would love to play the whole Lions game and break some of his own records, as it would certainly allow Rodgers to say he had a good year.

First of all....assuming Rodgers ends up with his only 2 interceptions for the year. Then he needs 228 yards and he will beat his best 4,643 yards he set in 2011 (MVP year). He needs 33 completions and he will break his record of 401 completions he set in 2016. Rodgers will definitely want to play (and definitely will need to throw a lot of his short passes to Adams for completions)....what says you?

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December 26, 2018 at 08:43 pm

I am not saying this as I told you so or as medal or anything but you can checkone of my week old posts. I said it because I meant it as an old timer Pack fan into golden age (Starr) followed by the doldrum age. AR needed to play for the teammates, for himself and to get a win for the organization and not to tank for draft picks. We now have one game ahead of us - BEAT the pussycats. There are some teams that I just dont like - firstly the Vikes, next the Bears - but the Lions -who I usually just laugh at but really I dont like them much either ( but get well Matt - hope the transplant works out). so just lets stop their winning streak against us - they usually win when we are without AR but just let them ride into this offseason with a loss in their mouths knowing that we would have beaten them if Crosby had been on his game last time around.
This has got to be a curtain call for some guys and especially for a few coaches ( special teams, strength and condition etc) Go out and flame these Lions like we did a few years ago 2012 with Flynn.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 26, 2018 at 10:48 pm

Borderline incoherent.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 26, 2018 at 11:27 pm

Molson will have that affect on you.

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The TKstinator's picture

December 27, 2018 at 05:14 pm

If you do it right.

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PeteK's picture

December 27, 2018 at 08:39 am

I'll clarify. Winning divisional games is important. S Derwin James drafted #17--99 tkl, 3.5 sacks, 3 int, 13 pd.
LB Darious Leonard #36--155 tkl, 7 sck, 6 pd, 9 stf. I'll take a Leinenkugel, thanks

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