Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Quiet Time

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Not much going on this week relative to the Packers...

The Packers did sign Edgerrin Cooper, leaving Jordan Morgan and Javon Bullard as the only unsigned draft picks. According to Ken Ingalls, over 76% of his rookie deal is in guaranteed money.

 

Tom Brady has been making the rounds of the sports talk shows, likely as a tuneup to his upcoming TV analyst role in the fall. One interesting thing he said was about Jordan Love and the Packers way of developing quarterbacks.: On Love, he said. ""He had Aaron Rodgers to watch. That's the best type of training, in my opinion. Watch someone else do it at a very high level and then try to emulate them with your own personality, Maybe a little bit of a misnomer with the draft is that these players can come in and all of the sudden become this great professional player before they've really had the training and the development." I don't know how good of a game analyst Brady will be, but I'll definitely listen when he talks about developing quarterbacks.

The NFL did a Packers top-10 play video and asked which of these plays is your favorite. If you haven't seen it...

 

Of these 10, my favorite would have to be the Savage INT, simply because there may be nothing sweeter than hearing Dak Prescott's ridiculous "Hey, here we go" cadence followed by a pick six. That's a chef's kiss.

The biggest question mark for me on this defense is Eric Stokes. Will he be the same player who impressed when thrown into the fire as a rookie? Has he really put the injuries behind him after joining Christain Watson in being evaluated by the sports medicine specialists at UW- Madison?  Will he be the starting corner opposite Jaire Alexander or at least get meaningful reps while splitting time with Carrington Valentine? Or will will his play show us the reason the Packers elected not to pick up his fifth year option? I for one am placing my bets on Carrington Valentine - i just love his demeanor and style of play and all indications would be that it fits what we expect Jeff Hafley's defense to be like.

So it seems Tucker Kraft, as I assumed in last week's column, tore his pec the same way LaFleur did - bench pressing. Kraft gave a little more detail, stating that he did it not with heavy weights, but rather while "speed benching."  While the name would seem self evident, if you want to dig deeper, here's an excellent video about it:

 

 

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 29, 2024 at 06:28 am

"He had Aaron Rodgers to watch. That's the best type of training, in my opinion." I tend to agree with Brady this is helpful but I have never heard him give credit to Brian Griese (watching him three years at MI while Tom was consulting a sports psychiatrist while being buried 7th on the depth chart. He has given credit the psychologist for his career direction) nor Drew Bledsoe (who he watched for a year at NE) before getting the starting job.

I never heard Rodgers give credit to Favre for his training in becoming a QB. The two had a very cold relationship...even adversarial according to Andrew Brandt (Packer executive when both QBs were on the team).

However, while I have heard Love give credit to Rodgers for his development. I do believe ML, Tom Clements, and probably Stenovich have been providing much more valuable training to him. Jordan giving some credit to Rodgers says more about his character, IMO.

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T7Steve's picture

May 29, 2024 at 07:31 am

When Rodgers was asked, he gave credit to Favre for teaching him to get his feet off the ground when passing to avoid injuries when the big guys fell into the legs. Now we've seen footage of all three QBs doing the same thing, so at least that was passed on. Takes allot more practice to be on target, but if you get hurt there won't be any targets.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 29, 2024 at 08:35 am

I missed that comment, Steve.

They did famously mend the fence several years after Brett retired, but according to Brandt it was a behind the scenes battle of strong dislike between the two during their three years together. I don't think Rodgers gives much credit to Favre for his development.

He gives far more accolades to Tom Clements.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 29, 2024 at 12:51 pm

Rodgers had an interview between 2009-10 seasons if IIRC where in a roundabout way he gave Favre credit for what NOT to do. Hard to believe Rodgers' being so adverse to interceptions didn't come from watching Favre.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

May 29, 2024 at 06:53 am

Speed benching sounds like what happened when they let me play in my high school football game.

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dobber's picture

May 29, 2024 at 07:49 am

Doug wins the thread!

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

May 29, 2024 at 07:57 am

You’re too kind. Just remember to drive safely and tip your waiters and waitresses.

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greengold's picture

May 30, 2024 at 02:29 am

The whole damn thing!!! Somebody get that man a cookie!

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dobber's picture

May 30, 2024 at 07:56 am

TWO cookies....because, you know, inflation and all.

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T7Steve's picture

May 29, 2024 at 07:25 am

You'd think Brady would have made enough and just want to take it easy for a little while, but I guess we'll have to get used to hearing from him. Not as bad as seeing a picture and comments daily by our former QB.

I think Stokes will be fine in this new D. Speed kills and if what we've heard is true, Hafley takes all the thinking out of it and just has them play.

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bjkdad44's picture

May 31, 2024 at 07:19 pm

🤞🏻

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Bearmeat's picture

May 29, 2024 at 08:28 am

Ah yes, the single worst time to be an NFL fan. June-late July. As a teacher, it also happens to be when I have the most free time. Sigh...

This Packer team is going to kick butt. It's deeper than any since 2010. More talented than any since 2014 and has a higher ceiling than any since 1998. And it doesn't have a toxic QB who either loses his head and throws YOLO balls like Favre did, or cared the most about what people thought about him like Rodgers did.

Love will be a top 3 MVP vote getter. He will throw for 40+ TDs, 4500+ yards, 65%+ completion percentage and less than 10 INTs. I don't know who else on offense will break out, because there are so many weapons. The defense will be better. Perhaps much better. There is depth everywhere, although there are some players who need to step up who we have not seen do it yet.

Green Bay WILL win 12+ games and the NFCN and will be in the running for the #1 seed. I think we will win it all.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 29, 2024 at 08:48 am

Bear,
I really can't disagree with any of your projections though I see every NFC North team improve and be a challenge making victories in the division tougher.

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GregC's picture

May 29, 2024 at 09:50 am

Because of the warm weather, this is my favorite time of year in spite of the fact that it is the absolute doldrums for NFL fans. But I know the season is going to happen eventually. No need to rush it.

Everything you wrote sounds plausible. It's been a great off-season after a promising finish last year. There is so much talent throughout this roster with no obvious weaknesses aside from kicker, and there is a decent chance that they get that problem fixed one way or another. After that, I would say that the most likely potential weakness is linebacker, just because it's a mystery how that's going to look in the Hafley defense, and Edgerrin Cooper being a rookie. I feel more assured about safety with Xavier McKinney holding down the back end.

(CheeseheadTV administrators, please try to make it so I can post comments on my phone without the Submit Comment button being reduced to a tiny sliver due to pop-up ads. I've lost a lot of comments because of that.)

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Gman1976's picture

May 29, 2024 at 07:53 pm

I have had the same problem with my phone; and have found that if I turn my phone on its side (so the phone is horizontal long ways), I have better access to the submit comment button.

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GregC's picture

May 29, 2024 at 09:32 pm

Ooh, I will give that a try. It could be life-changing. Thanks!

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dobber's picture

May 30, 2024 at 08:36 am

We agree on a lot of things, but I think we disagree in that I see 2024 as being more up-and-down than you do.

Fearless and likely-to-be-wrong predictions...
--Packers and Love announce a new contract in July on the eve of training camp that gets him in the top 5 QB contracts in terms of AAV, but is a higher cash value--lower guarantees deal structured more like Danny Jones' deal than like Jared Goff's.
--Jordan Love is more efficient, but less prolific in 2024: 3900 yd, 32 TD, 14 INT.
--Packers lean on multiple backs to be a top 10 running team. Josh Jacobs catches 40 passes and runs for 950 yd and 8 TD, but misses 3 games to injury and averages 4.0 ypc.
Jayden Reed and Dontayvion Wicks emerge as the Packers' most productive WRs.
RG ends up being a thorn in the Packers' side most of the season.
Packers defense rises into the top 12 in both yards and scoring allowed.
No individual pass rusher reaches double-digit sacks, but 5 players score more than 6 sacks.
The Packers double their number of INTs on defense from 7 to 14.
By the end of the 2024 season, four rookies are starting.
No team in the NFCN wins more than 11 games, but three make the post-season.

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 29, 2024 at 08:41 am

The torn pec thing is really simple if you think about it. I watched a video on YouTube; nutritionist talked for 11.5 hours about this very topic. He used Max McGee as an example. Max could go out the night before a game and get hammered, then play a full game without getting hurt. His secret was dehydration. Ingestion of ethel alcohol leeched water from his muscles allowing him to be properly hydrated for his athletic pursuits. LaFleur, Kraft, and Jenkins simply didn't get drunk enough the night before they lifted. Hence, torn pec.

Here, have a look : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Ow1nlafOg

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 29, 2024 at 09:00 am

...and it's hard to bowl

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 29, 2024 at 01:17 pm

If it helps to drink the night before maybe it would really help to drink WHILE they are lifting? 🤔

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TXCHEESE's picture

May 29, 2024 at 08:53 am

It wasn't included on their list, but my favorite play of the year, was Aaron Jones introducing himself to Micah Parson's ribs in that playoff game. Still pisses me off Parsons wasn't flagged for roughing after launching and striking Love head to head early in that game. It looked like the official was looking directly at them and just decided to swallow the whistle to help those down trodden Cowboys.

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Vachio's picture

May 29, 2024 at 10:08 am

This is why I absolutely hate the bench for athletes. No carryover to anything athletic and it puts the shoulders and pecs in a bad position while inhibiting the natural movement of the scapula. If you're a powerlifter, bench. Everyone else, there are far more productive things to do. If you just really enjoy benching, fine, work it in as an occasional treat for yourself, but don't make it a training staple.

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GregC's picture

May 29, 2024 at 10:18 am

As someone who knows nothing about weightlifting, it seems to me that the bench press would exercise the muscles used in pushing with the arms against an opposing player, as in blocking. What would be a better way to build up those muscles?

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Leatherhead's picture

May 29, 2024 at 10:43 am

Do pushups. Also, you're blocking with your feet and legs as much as your arms, maybe more.

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GregC's picture

May 29, 2024 at 11:53 am

Not sure why push-ups would be any safer than bench pressing, but okay. Sounds like the new strength and conditioning coach is off to a rip-roaring start, although I have no idea if the torn pecs have anything do with him. Maybe it's just bad luck.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 29, 2024 at 11:58 am

Because you're limited by your own weight. But with bench pressing, you can put a bunch of weight on that bar. Too much, IMO. I occasionally see guys at the gym, with very little warmup, trying to bench very heavy weights, and IMO,they're just asking for shoulder or elbow injuries.

Pushups.... no special equipment or place. As a youth, I used to do 20 pushups every commercial break, so during a football game I'd get a couple of hundred pushups in.

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GregC's picture

May 29, 2024 at 01:50 pm

Well yes of course, but Kraft was using light weights.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 29, 2024 at 03:28 pm

Larry Allen benched 700 lbs and missed games in 3 of his 13 seasons.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 29, 2024 at 03:32 pm

Exactly.

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Matt's picture

May 29, 2024 at 04:48 pm

Come on man, pushups as chest training for pro athletes? It can build strenght for complete beginners only. If you are able to do a few dozens of them you are not improving your strenght anymore.

All 3 powerlifting exercises are the base for any strenght training. Deliberating Kraft's torn pec from the perspective of how dangerous bench press is, is the same as being afraid of players doing sprints. Too many hamstring injuries.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 29, 2024 at 01:25 pm

I wondered where the new training staff was when this happened. It just doesn't sound good at all, even with lighter weight.

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Duhawk_47's picture

May 31, 2024 at 11:37 am

Yet somehow, Westside Barbell methodology is still alive in the sports performance realm. Can't tell you how many of my college teammates, self included, had to get labrums repaired during our 4 years playing.

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Packers0808's picture

May 29, 2024 at 11:31 am

Seeing info about QB's was in this column, does it seem that the talk of the Packers passing on Higgins for Love the talking of that transaction has become almost sound proofed now since Loves last 3/4 or so of the last season? Or is it just me not reading and seeing the columns about it?

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stockholder's picture

May 29, 2024 at 11:34 am

I'm sure Stokes didn't get that option because of injuries.
Still you do have a point with Campbell.
Especially after Gute wanted the Back 7 fixed.

Gute's replacement of Savage to X Mckinney,
And Owens, too Rookies.
Is going to make Jeff Hafley, or break MLF.
My thinking is they want to be like SF.
But the packers still managed to score on them.

Which brings me to Love following Rodgers.
Joe Gibbs didn't need a Brady, or Rodgers.
And spending money wasn't the fix.
It's "Doing more with Less."
And Leadership that makes a winner.

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TXCHEESE's picture

May 29, 2024 at 11:39 am

Football was way different in the Joe Gibbs era. Today, you have to have very good, if not great QB play to win championships. It's a passing game.

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 29, 2024 at 06:21 pm

And, Gibbs had very good QBs in 1983 and 1988 when they won the Superbowl, as well as when they lost in 1984. Doug Williams had terrific seasons, and Theismann could chuck the ball in the general vicinity of Art Monk, which was all that was required when not handing the rock to Riggins.

Joe Bugel as OC, and Richie Pettibon as DC wasn't exactly doing more with less if you recall those O lines, and D units.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 29, 2024 at 11:22 pm

Charlie Brown was actually the leading WR on the 1982 and '83 Washington teams. That '83 team is still one of the best offenses in history, but the best offenses in the SB era usually lose.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 29, 2024 at 01:24 pm

How did Gibbs do his 2nd coaching stint with Washington? Maybe it was about player acquisition his 1st stint, like the excellent job Gutey has done the last couple years?

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dobber's picture

May 29, 2024 at 02:35 pm

"My thinking is they want to be like SF."

I actually expect they'll look more like Buffalo.

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 29, 2024 at 04:38 pm

I got the super bowl Rams on my scorecard

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NFLfan's picture

May 29, 2024 at 12:31 pm

Though the relationship between Rodgers and Favre was frosty, Aaron has admitted he picked up intangibles from Favre. I think Brady is right- And, Love has witnessed much higher level play than any current QB. It's the equivalent of being raised in an environment where parents read, speak well, have larger vocabularies, etc. Those children will absorb those traits and think it is the norm.

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T7Steve's picture

May 29, 2024 at 12:43 pm

There's an art to film study too. And you have to study your own as well to pick up mistakes and tendencies other teams will pick up on. Rodgers knew how to study, self-critique, and prepare for a game.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 29, 2024 at 01:29 pm

Yes, it's more than just watching Rodgers play. Being in the same QB room and learning how to be a PRO is hugely important. Rodgers always had a high work ethic and believed in making the most of every practice and being fully prepared every day. Hearing #12's insights and rare intelligence in the QB room has certainly had an effect of Love. Love has said as much himself. Rodgers didn't get that with Favre.

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May 29, 2024 at 01:34 pm

Rodgers obviously put the work in but McCarthy's QB camps helped him immensely and it was basically one on one work since Favre was never there.

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