Confessions of a Polluted Mindset 2020 - Packers Trounce the Titans

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

Predictions:

So I predicted blowout wins against the Lions and Panthers and a close win against the Titans. I suggest you don't come to me for betting advice against the spread.

 

AJ Dillon:

Was there anything Dillon wasn't outstanding at? Well yeah...

 

 

Aaron Jones;

The Packers just missed having two 100-yard runners in this game, as Jones fell six yards short. But just an observation on Jones - he was the only ball carrier ( and one of few players in general) on either team that looked perfectly comfortable running the ball outside on a snowy field. It didn't appear to affect him at all while other guys were tiptoeing, afraid to take full strides.

 

Pettine:

While I've never screamed "FIRE PETTINE," I certainly have been critical of some of his game plans. So to be fair, I have to rise and give him a standing ovation on this one. He dared the Titans to beat them in the air, playing four, five and even some six man fronts. Keeping Henry from being able to break things outside was also an obvious part of the plan. Great job by Gary and the Smith Brothers holding the edge. Playing Amos in the box more and giving Vernon Scott his highest snap total of the season showed an emphasis on tackling over coverage. And finally, getting his team to buy in on wrapping up and swarming to the ball was the icing on the cake. Well done Mike Pettine.

 

Snow: 

I had a moment of sadness when they first showed Lambeau Field with snow falling. It was such a shame that 70,000+ people would be deprived the incredible experience of a snow game at Lambeau. Having been lucky enough to experience this (Seattle "Snow Globe" playoff game) I can only describe it as almost an out-of-body experience. I still get goosebumps thinking about all the feelings that were rushing through me that night.

 

Penalties:

Zero? Did I see ZERO penalties against the Packers? I couldn't think of another time that happened so I looked it up. The last time that happened was 11/4/13 against the Chicago Bears. The Bears actually won that game, which would be unexpected. But alas. Aaron Rodgers left the game with an injury early on and the rest of the game was quarterbacked by...  Seneca Wallace.  Aaaaaaaaaand now it makes sense.

 

Kirksey:

In the vain of praising those we've trashed, Christian Kirksey may have played one of his most impactful games as a Packer - on ONLY 12 SNAPS! Perhaps his demotion in favor of Krys Barnes has lit a fire

 

Barnes:

Speaking of Barnes, Mike Pettine trusted him enough to have him play all 52 defensive snaps on Sunday Night. Wait, you mean to tell me the Packers have actually found a three-down inside linebacker? And he wasn't even drafted? What a story!

 

Blocked field goal:

Yes another special teams gaffe. Fire Mennenga! Um, no. It was just a terrible rep from Rick Wagner. Just like a terrible rep from Oren Burks almost resulted in a blocked punt the week before. When a player just doesn't do the job he was assigned to do on one particular play, you can't be calling for the coaches' head. Yet many do. That;'s just lazy. Hers I slowed it down for you. Wagner is the second to the right of the center. He drops his head and is easily just pushed to the ground by the player who blocks the kick. Luckily, it didn't count.

 

Back to Dillon:

Can anyone give me a reason why Dillon shouldn't be the official short yardage back from this point on? Third and goal from the one yard line? Why do anything besides hand him the ball?

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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mnbadger's picture

December 30, 2020 at 06:55 am

spot on Al. Great point about zero penalties, confirms how this was close to perfection. I was able to take my 3 sons to a snow game at Lambeau. Xmas eve day vs Tampa Bay, 2000 I think. 8 inches of powder fell too late to have it removed for the noon kickoff. on the drive to GB I had my sons convinced that we had to take our boots off and leave them in lockers before entering the hallowed bowl. They were ready to do it. I'm sure they weren't alone, what a festive event. M Gramatica missed a game winning field goal at the end of regulation, he looked like he was crying when they took his jacket away and sent him out to kick. C Jacke made a longer FG to win it in OT. We talk about that experience all the time. Priceless. GPG

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Razer's picture

December 30, 2020 at 07:22 am

May be the first complete game that I have watched my Packers play in the last two years and may be the best game I've watched in the last 5. The coin did drop on defense and the guys played fast and fundamentally sound. I was particularly impressed with the secondary. They were assignment sure and contested everything that Tannehill dare throw.

I liked the AJ Dillon pick but couldn't understand why it took 16 weeks to see what was under the hood. Power football in Green Bay - shut-up! He changes the complexion of this offense enough to make Aaron Rodgers even more dangerous. Wouldn't want to be a DC facing this attack. It will be interesting to see what he contributes for the remainder of the year.

I have to laugh at Al's prediction record and admit that it mirrored my own. Greatful that we put it together for the "big" game.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:15 pm

He had high mileage in college on those wheels, and Williams deserved the reps. So I'm glad we waited. I'll give him a break on the leap because there was a few inches of snow on the ledge. I'm just very worried if he will have the Williams pre game dance moves.

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December 30, 2020 at 07:32 am

Pettine needed to change his Fronts way before this game. In fact, I can go back 10 years. After Joe Thomas, Antonio Morrison, BJ Goodson, Burks. and Kirksey. We now have Barnes. Yes he's a story. But why did it take so long? Yes Dillion should have the ball short. But he did need a breather at times. Fun to watch a packer RB carry the pile again. I thought the snow was a sign of better things to come. It seemed to energize the veterans.

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NickPerry's picture

December 30, 2020 at 07:50 am

I would imagine any player who was on IR 5 weeks because he had COVID and then carried the ball over 20 times and played several other snaps as well would need a breather.

Just saying Buddy...I heard him talking about it and he had a petty tough time. I applaud him.

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stockholder's picture

December 30, 2020 at 10:24 am

True.

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December 30, 2020 at 10:55 am

Dillion was amazing. Having just finally gotten over the damn thing myself, it is a long road back to 100%. It may take him a bit longer to get his legs back, but still...

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:18 pm

It seems that it also adversely effected Sternberger as he doesn't seem to be the same player that ended the season on a high note.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 30, 2020 at 06:52 pm

I also wonder if he is still in the concussion protocol.

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December 31, 2020 at 11:07 am

Sternberger had his head cracked pretty good three times in his short career. The johnson hit last training camp was vicious. He came back and laid waste to Clowney so we're hoping he can get to 100% and be the second receiving TE for the final run.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:29 pm

Dillon. Dillon, not Dillion.

I know it took 3 years for Tonyan to come out on the correct pronunciation, but there should be no excuse in the case of spelling!

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 04:47 pm

Di Lion, come on get on board.

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ricky's picture

December 30, 2020 at 07:34 am

Fire Menenga because of the blocked kick? No. But fire him because the punt and kick coverage teams are consistently not following lane integrity. This is not a one time, one person breakdown, but a lack of discipline by the players, which is something the coaches should be emphasizing and re-emphasizing when there is a breakdown. The Packers have had chances to hire really good ST's coaches, but have balked at paying the price. Well, excellence costs more than mediocrity. So, yes, get rid of Menenga, hire a coach who has a proven track record of success.

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December 30, 2020 at 07:41 am

Exactly.
I watch all 32 teams each week, and our special teams coverage units and return units ARE THE WORST.
Our punt returners get killed when they field the ball.
Our punt coverage is nowhere in sight when the opponent catches the punts. Usually.

Kicks are the same. That's why the smart teams don't kickoff into the end zone and give us the ball at the 25 on the touchback. They know they can kick it high to the 5 or so and get our poor victim inside the 20 as our blocking is ATROCIOUS.

All that falls on Menenga. We need to spend $$$$ to hire the best Special Teams Coach in the business. There's no salary cap for coaching.

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Minniman's picture

December 30, 2020 at 02:27 pm

‘There's no salary cap for coaching.’

And that’s the organizational obligation in a draft and develop strategy - give those project players the best coaching available to bring out their best

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Razer's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:02 am

How much coaching really needs to be thrown at special teams? Oren Burks can't block the only guy coming at him, Rick Wagner can't handle the guy right in front of him on a field goal and guys can't run in a straight line. Maybe Mennenga speaks a different language or maybe we have too many shitty players at the bottom of this roster.

This may be bigger than Mennenga. Get rid of guys who can't break the starting line up and who don't contribute to special teams. Draft and target some guys who can solidify ST. Oh, and get a punter who doesn't typify inconsistent, weak special teams play.

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Guam's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:12 am

JK Scott has been an adequate punter and I am okay with him other than his awful efforts at tackling. Crosby has been excellent. The rest of ST's are a fire-able offense.

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:39 am

Well Scott actually tackled on the kick block. Perhaps he needed time to develop ( tongue firmly in cheek).

Wagner has been a great pick up so that’s a really uncharacteristic play for him. That said, if this one is explicable, as has been pointed out, the general coverage still is consistently questionable and sometimes downright chaotic. It’s not that our ST personnel are not athletic or that we have had more turnover than other teams, so what is it? Coaching seems the most plausible answer.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:29 pm

I have to throw my 2 cents, but Wagner to me is a 4 mill injury always ready to happen .Also, just read that Kumerow was released by Bills and picked up by Aints. I have to think that he would have contributed more especially on ST than Taylor.

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dobber's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:51 pm

I think he was a gunner with punt coverage teams? Whatever the case, he was a core ST on ST units we've complained about.

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December 30, 2020 at 11:49 am

I agree that JKS has been adequate. I don't ever remember being satisfied with anything hinting at adequate. Adequate punters should be selling real estate, not giving it up. GPG

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December 30, 2020 at 09:25 am

Razer,
"How much coaching really needs to be thrown at special teams" ?
Answer: Obviously more that they're getting.
Isn't it the coach's job to identify the problems you list and correct them, or replace the players in question? Sure, you don't want to use 'full-time' players on ST unless you absolutely need to, but again the coach needs to identify those needs, it's HIS job.
Year after year we've seen the Packers be one of the poorest ST teams and they never seem to pay attention to it by hiring a real ST guru as many other teams do. John Harbaugh of the Ravens started as a ST coach and has been more than a little successful as a HC.
Buck Up Pack, STs can win or lose games for you.

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December 30, 2020 at 10:11 am

I am not contesting that there may be coaching issues but our 'athletes' are not getting the job done. We are using WRs and secondary players on these teams and they can't seem to get off blocks or make blocks. And, our punter is at the bottom of the league where it matters. We have had two ST coaches before this guy and nobody has made a difference. Everyone seems to be placing their bets that number 4 will be the guy. Maybe we lack speed and toughness on our roster

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December 30, 2020 at 12:00 pm

Most teams use those types of players and we have a host of special team body and profile types. I’m just not buying the canard that somehow our blockers are continually worse. We may lack an elite gunner, but lane discipline is about more people than that.

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December 30, 2020 at 12:47 pm

I find it hard to buy the theory that a 12-3 doesn't have good enough players at the bottom of the roster to field a decent special teams.

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December 30, 2020 at 09:30 am

See man, block man in 1.5 seconds, not too complicated.

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murf7777's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:24 am

I'm curious, how you know it came down to dollars and cents? With the money being made by the Packers, sans this year, I find that hard to believe.

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Guam's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:06 am

There were rumors that MLF wanted a different STs coach (can't remember his name) before Mennenga, but the Packers would not meet his price so he went elsewhere (NO?). MLF then hired Mennega as his second choice to coach STs. The "cheapskate" approach to hiring the ST coach has been discussed several times before on CHTV.

Don't know how true the story is, but it is certainly out there.

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December 30, 2020 at 09:34 am

I agree I heard those “rumors”. Doesn’t mean it’s true.

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December 30, 2020 at 09:43 am

Doesn’t mean that they are false either, just that we may not have hit LaFleur’s first choice, but we don’t know for certain and we don’t know the reason if it was true. LaFleur should have the freedom to choose whom he wishes. Let’s hope that is the case going forward.

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December 30, 2020 at 10:10 am

“The Packers have had chances to hire really good ST's coaches, but have balked at paying the price. “

I was responding to this comment which implies he/she knows. Rumors don’t mean they are right or wrong, but when a person implies the rumor as true, they are wrong.

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December 30, 2020 at 09:35 am

Rizzi was the guy. Sounds like low-ball played the county fair tire-kicker card and Rizzi took his show to NOLA. They are the # one special teams unit in the NFL. Taysom Hill making key plays for them also. Ouch.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:07 pm

I don't think there was ever any indication that Rizzi was using a GB interview for anything more than leverage.

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December 30, 2020 at 09:16 am

Some people are under the delusion that a "superstar" ST coach wanted to come to Green Bay but the Packers lowballed him. In reality, no one knows if this is true. No one knows if that guy was just using the Packers to get a higher offer elsewhere, or if he ever wanted to come to Green Bay in the first place.

Of course, lack of knowledge has never stopped the "Packers are cheap" crowd from spewing their nonsense.

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:54 am

Russ Ball has taken the cheap option a few times when he had the call on not resigning players. The last of which resulted in Martellus Bennett over Jared Cook when Ball pulled out of negotiations to bring Cook back. It would not be completely out of character for Ball to have taken such a stance and he would appear to have the responsibility, not LaFleur or Gute in that area.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:22 pm

I do not have the time to review the coaches selections process when LaFleur was putting his group together, but I seem to recollect Rizzi coming up from Miami and having his compensation package requirements set in place when he walked off the plane. Ball played the used car salesman and Rizzi took off for NOLA. The front office revised their original offer, but too little ,too late. He had already inked his deal with Loomis and Payton. The early bird etc...This group does not respect the third phase of football. The fast slot guy WR to make game changing plays in the punt returns and all that??

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:41 pm

Let's see what Austin can do, on punt and KICKOFF returns. Also coverage teams with Black, Dafney, and Summers seemed to be more effective last game.

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dobber's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:08 pm

I needed to scroll one comment further. Obviously, I agree.

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Stroh's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:20 pm

The story I read is the Packers were negotiating with the guy and he was also negotiating with other teams at the same time. The coach in question has his family in the south ( maybe Florida, not sure) and he wanted to be close to them. Nola is a lot closer than GB

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December 30, 2020 at 04:35 pm

I understood family considerations were a large part, too. He may or may not have wanted to work in Green Bay, but his wife wasn't thrilled about living in the frozen north. Plus, I heard she was really bummed that Shopko folded, and she doesn't like to bowl. ::shrug::

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December 30, 2020 at 07:44 am

Let me start by saying that this piece by Al is probably my favorite weekly piece during the season. From the days at Allgreenbaypackers.com to now at CHTV, articles by Al are IMO are usually some the best and this one here is excellent as usual, a "Thumbs Up" for sure.

BUT Al, Mennenga HAS to go. 2 punts returns for TD's allowed. A 17.1 punt return average allowed and a punter who's clueless on tackling...STILL. On KO returns we've had teams actually kicking off short so our return teams HAVE to return the ball. I'm pretty sure I've never seen that for an entire game.

Okay, so Wagner screwed up and Burks screwed up too, but all in all the ST on this team are near the bottom again this year. I'm not even sure if Jeff Janis and Travis Jervey (Remember him) were our gunners on every play it would help. There's just too much consistent BAD to continue to overlook.

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wildbill's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:13 am

Didn’t I read that Scott made the tackle on the blocked FG? That shows improvement even though he had only one way to go and that was up.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:12 pm

"Let me start by saying that this piece by Al is probably my favorite weekly piece during the season"

...only problem is: the better the Packers play, the shorter it gets!

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:53 pm

Are you trying to say that Al is negative.Hahahahaha. It is definitely a great piece because there are many jealous fans where I live and have no-one to discuss the Pack with. Speaking of negative, where's Taryn? After the best win so far in the season and no sign of her or Leatherhead. Hope all is good.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:57 pm

She's using the holidays to recharge.

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December 30, 2020 at 06:43 pm

Some people are just never satisfied... :)

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December 30, 2020 at 01:13 pm

Boop!

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December 30, 2020 at 08:05 am

AJ Dillon - what a showing! He showed that he deserves more opportunities. I know it’s hard with the RBs a head of him but they have to find a way to get them on the field together. And yes all short yardage and goal line plays should go to Dillon now.

Jones - he is just special. Hopefully he will be fully able to go Sunday. But hopefully Williams will be back so we won’t have to fully rely on him too.

Barnes - he has made such a difference to our defense. We do finally have a 3 down ILB!

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December 30, 2020 at 08:31 am

Might it be Dillon was being trained for being the secret weapon, hid on the battle field, just waiting for the right opportunity to explode? Maybe, the Packers have a plan and that plan is not to show too much tape on him during the season so he is more of a surprise heading into the playoffs. Also, to have him fresh, so he can plow over people in the cold tundra.

I'd argue that with Jones and Williams we didn't need to use up much of his tread this year. He had a lot of wear in College. He will be our bell-cow next year thou IMO.

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December 30, 2020 at 10:13 am

I think you are close to the truth on all fronts. Jones and Dillon in the same backfield will likely only be this year - so - let's make the most of it.

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dobber's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:10 pm

Packers seem to be reluctant to put two RBs on the field unless Adams is hurt.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:25 pm

So they planned to have him contract covid so they could keep him hidden?! Yeah riiiiiight! SMH

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December 30, 2020 at 01:53 pm

Diabolical, isn't it?

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December 30, 2020 at 08:07 am

Barnes, Kirksey and Martin all had very good games. Taking nothing away from them, but do you suppose all of them playing well had something to do with consistently playing 3 defense linemen and having the OLB's holding a strong edge? Three DL's insures the ILBs are not fighting off 300 pound guards or centers to get to their run fits or pursue.

I understand Pettine's penchant for two DLs against pass heavy teams, but where was this strategy against Dalvin Cook and the Vikings earlier this year or in two games against the 49ers last year? I understand giving Pettine kudos for this game plan, but why did it take him this long to figure out that a standard 3-4-4 is better against strong running teams than his beloved 2-4-5 (or 2-3-6)? I hope the lesson sticks.......

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December 30, 2020 at 09:35 am

I agree totally, and at this point instead of asking why I'm just saying better late than never. I just pray he doesnt get away from this.

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December 30, 2020 at 09:40 am

The head coach may have had something to do with the reset.

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December 30, 2020 at 11:17 am

I blame more Gute than Pettine for the DL problems. That the Packers never had a full DL room is something that goes all the back to the end of last season. I think not being able to put Adams on the field hurt this group, with Clarke not being up to full health. And the Vikings exposed the Packers with a bunch of unscouted looks which exposed how thin the DL group actually was. Gute was finally forced to put more 'heavies' on the roster. I like to know why it took him so long.

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December 30, 2020 at 11:25 am

This.

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December 30, 2020 at 12:10 pm

You have to play the DL you have. Until last week Pettine regularly declined to do so on more than a handful of snaps, despite the stats when he did. I don’t blame Gute. Adams actually looked promising when he did play and we now have two more DL in Rush and Price available. Rush was a scratch due to illness in the last game and Winn may be back. It’s not resources but willingness to use them.

Hopefully that has now changed, but blaming Gute for Pettine’s personnel usage prior to last week seems somewhat stretched.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:28 pm

Unscouted looks would be designed to take advantage of the defense the Packers usually play, not a thinned DL group. Thknk a little man!

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December 30, 2020 at 11:24 am

100% on this Guam.

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December 30, 2020 at 11:54 am

"do you suppose all of them playing well had something to do with consistently playing 3 defense linemen and having the OLB's holding a strong edge? "

Great point. He finally abandoned this idea that the edge guys can do WTF ever and the single ILB can cover up all of the empty gaps. Gary being able to flat out bullrush and hold 2 gaps is HUGE. That dude is a freak, and he's still only 23 years old.

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December 30, 2020 at 12:59 pm

Dankeschoen.

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December 30, 2020 at 09:46 am

Al, I can’t agree more in Dillon being the short yardage back. I’ve been posting for weeks that he should at least be our lead blocker for Jones or Williams in short yardage situations. Now I’m looking forward to the day when Deguara can be the lead blocker for Dillon in short yardage and goal line situations.

No penalties was huge. Lombardi would have been very proud.

Jones just runs through the conditions which is what players should be coached to do. All the more reason to ensure we’re home for the playoffs.

Kudos to Pettine for giving the Titans a look they were not prepared for with the 5-6 man DLs. It reminded of the ‘72 playoff game when the Redskins used a 5 man front to stop Brockington and Lane and Iron Hands Hunter was replaced by Tagge at QB but it was too little to late.

Great job again, as usual Al. Thanks, Since ‘61

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December 30, 2020 at 09:44 am

'61 Dafney is now the FB/HB lead rhino. He plays fast. Looked good receiving the swing in the flats.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:17 pm

He looked much better this week than last week. Vs. Carolina he looked tentative and couldn't seem to find a guy to block on several of his snaps.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:32 pm

So which is it ? You want him to be the lead blocker ot the short yardage RB who carries the ball. Your a walking talking contradiction to yourself! Freakin absurd stupid.

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December 30, 2020 at 02:07 pm

GRRRUUUUMMMPY

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December 30, 2020 at 02:54 pm

I would prefer him to be the RB with Deguara as the lead blocker in short yardage and goal line situations.

My first point was referring to the fact that Deguara is injured and we weren’t using Dillon much before the Titans game. Therefore I was thinking that when he returned from Covid maybe he could be the lead blocker for Jones.

That is no longer the case. I’m sorry my post was not clear enough for you. Or maybe you just have a difficult time keeping up since I’ve mentioned my thoughts on Dillon several times over the last 2 months.

Maybe if you came up with an original thought of your own once in a while you would not feel that all you can contribute to a conversation are insults and criticisms of other people’s posts. I had thought that you had reached adulthood by now.

Several years still to go I see.

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December 30, 2020 at 06:29 pm

As useall your points are nonsensical!

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December 30, 2020 at 02:04 pm

I don't know if Dillon has had much experience being the lead blocker as he was a featured back in college. I wouldn't waste a player with his running ability as a blocker except on some passing plays.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:51 am

I'd imagine that Dillon would have been the short yardage back by October, but he was sick with the Rona for over a month. Can't blame the coaches for that. Good to have him for the playoffs. He was very good and is talented, but, just like any rookie, will have work to do in the offseason. He's going to need to thin out and muscle up, as well as work on pass pro and finding holes more efficiently. Yeah, he trucked some fools with white jerseys. He also trucked some OL with green jerseys when there was a hole to the right or left. That will have to change.

Mennenga needs to do better. The buck stops at the coaches when there are consistent breakdowns and not just one player. Same story with Pettine for the first half of this season.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:40 am

"He's going to need to thin out and muscle up"

Huh? Have you seen a picture of him with no shirt? He looks like a bodybuilder already...

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:17 pm

His former trainer this spring:

“ “He understands that he’s going to have to keep his weight where it needs to be. He’s very conscious of that,” said Brian White, his running backs coach at Boston College and now the running backs coach at Colorado State. “He had 5 percent body fat, so I’d say he knows how to take care of his body really well. It was incredible. He came in lean at 10 or 11 percent and worked with our strength and conditioning coaches to get down to 5 percent, which is just insane.”

Ive heard similar comments from the Packers. Calling him out of shape is just silly. The man is a gym rat.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:52 pm

Well, he doesn't have a line of credit at the Cheesecake Factory. He is an athlete. Solid as Jim Brown.

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dobber's picture

December 30, 2020 at 02:02 pm

I can attest that I've never seen him there. ;)

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Bearmeat's picture

December 30, 2020 at 05:47 pm

I wasn't calling him "out of shape" just simply saying that 99.9% of rookies have a big jump in physicality from year 1 to year 2 simply because they have a full 12 months of training as a full time job, compared to college and draft season, and this year, Covid.

ARod just said Adams did the same after his rookie year, and that most rookies do.

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Stroh's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:45 pm

Jones trucked his own OL on his bg run. Why not criticize him for it? Why didn't Jones just see right away there wasn't a hole and bounce outside immediately. He might have scored instead of being caught, as usual, by a DB? He picked up his blocking responsibilities just fine.

The dude has a very low body fat% for a big man! He's as muscled up as he can get! Quite talking outta your Azz!

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 02:16 pm

Hey Stroh, have you seen that Honeymooners episode about his mother in law. Time for a nice cold one . LOL

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Stroh's picture

December 30, 2020 at 06:36 pm

Ill gave a few nice cold ones Sunday during the game. Otherwise for my health I choose not to drink. Haven't been able to stop drinking during Packers games. My one vice.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 30, 2020 at 06:47 pm

The only one, eh? ;)

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:52 pm

"He's going to need to thin out and muscle up"

Bearmeat, can you enlighten us on why you mentioned the above? Was it an un-thoughtful response to his 247 pounds? Or do you know something the rest of the world does not?

Maybe you only listen on radio, heard about his 247 pounds (commentators were mentioning 250 pounds actually) and the image of Eddie Lacy came to mind? Not having the benefit of TV/computer can rob us of visual help on the physical structure of people.

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dobber's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:54 pm

It might have been a joke...

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Bearmeat's picture

December 30, 2020 at 06:50 pm

I typed this above, but it bears repeating:

Almost all rookies need to "remake" their body to an NFL level. Very very few come in physically dominant. Hell, ARod said that about Davante in 2014-15 just yesterday. I wasn't commenting on Dillon's physique regarding a picture or a body fat percentage, just that he's probably got something he or the coaching wants to tweak (or maybe even overhaul) with his physique going into year 2. Like 99.9% of rookies.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:09 am

You would’ve thunk someone would have jumped offsides just to get away from Seneca Wallace.

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SugarCain's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:11 am

As Aaron Rodgers has said many times, you have to prove yourself in this league and that starts in practice. You can’t just be an undrafted free agent middle linebacker and start at the Mike...it takes time and reps and film study and learning all the calls. This Packer team is getting a lot help from the youth and the back end on this roster—Gary, Barnes, Martin, Daffney, Lazard, Dillon quality players getting reps but they have had to be developed.

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pacman's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:33 am

All great stuff Al, thx.

The euphoria hasn't warn of yet, but I would like to see a repeat this Sunday before I can say the D has turned the corner and that Dillon is for real. It is possible that the snow had a lot (or something) to do with win.

I think the game against the Bears will determine if we make it to the SB. if we play like last week, I'm thinking we stand a good chance of winning it all this year.

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iciice's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:36 am

Great article Al and I agree with everything but one item.....that Jones guy has 24 touchdowns over two years, many from a yard or two out. He still might be someone we want getting a few carries down by the goal line! As for special teams, we actually need a few guys on the roster who are specialists. Gunners who are emergency players only on offense or defense but make the team due to their capabilities on special teams. Coaching only goes so far without talent.

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 10:00 am

Jones is extremely sudden and elusive but he isn’t a threat to move the pile. He is a very good back but he’s an option in short yardage not a short yardage back. His success likely goes up if he has that threat along side him and his chances of being healthy go up.

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iciice's picture

December 30, 2020 at 10:25 am

Fully agree with your characterization of Jones. I just get a little nervous when after one game (although an excellent one) we all believe that Dillon will move the pile everytime. With Rodgers and our weapons spreading it out a bit and letting Jones pick his hole has been pretty effective at the goal line. For some reason on 3rd and 1's mid-field, not so much, but the man has a way of getting over the goal line consistently.

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PF4L's picture

December 30, 2020 at 10:44 am

Good points iciice and the others.
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Dillon looked good, and he might be a future HOF'r. I don't know
But...Players have to prove themselves over time, they need to be consistent. Dillon had a great game against the Titans, he deserves his props. But one game does not a Pro Bowler make.
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As far as Jones, and scoring TD's. I think he was used so much last season because he's got experience in the system, him and Rodgers jell. Unlike last season, this season is more fruitful for the new offense. Last season was a transition year and because the lack a true consistent #2 receiver or tight end. Jones got opportunity's. 19 to be exact.
This season, the TD's are spread out more, which is a good thing. Tonyan has 10 TD's and i want to see his touches increase....he's earned it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:14 pm

Every time he carried this year he showed he can carry guys with him. This guy isn't a late round rub the bones and hope he works out, he has been a star his entire college career. If he was healthy throughout this season he would challenge Williams for more snaps. He could easily start for any team.

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PF4L's picture

December 30, 2020 at 04:05 pm

Eddie Lacy could carry guys with .

There is more to being a rb than running. Williams is well versed in the playbook, has rapport with Rodgers and the O line. Nobody has to point where he needs to line up, knows how to pick up blitzes,
Yes, without Covid he might have a few more spot carry's. He's had 45 career carries, half of which came 4 days ago.
To say he could start for any team is foolish.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 05:19 pm

Hmmmm ,started out well, but what to make of an ending like that.

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PF4L's picture

December 31, 2020 at 08:26 am

Bad ending? Saying he isn't a proven starter for any team?
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Maybe the Vikings will trade us Cook for him.
Maybe the Titans will trade Henry for him.
Maybe the Saints will trade Kamara for him.
Maybe the Panthers will trade McCaffrey for him.
Should i keep going?
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It takes more than 1 game to prove you're a starter. To say he could start for any team is one of the most foolish things i've read in here.
He might prove to be a starter one day.
But there is a reason players don't get voted into the HOF, after playing ....one game
There is a reason players don't get voted MVP after playing...one game
There is a reason Pro Bowl players aren't voted into the Pro Bowl after...one game.
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Jeez...what's in the kool-aid here.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:17 pm

Jones works better from the five yard line or so in the red zone on early downs. When they could not move the edge guy he didn't have the power to break off the tackler. Mass vs acceleration.

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Razer's picture

December 30, 2020 at 10:17 am

...As for special teams, we actually need a few guys on the roster who are specialists. Gunners who are emergency players only on offense or defense but make the team due to their capabilities on special teams. Coaching only goes so far without talent...

Thank you ice ice baby.

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Lphill's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:54 am

The Packers have to use the same defense against the Bears as they did against the Titans , have to keep pressure on Trubisky and that will be the key to victory . what a letdown it would be to lose to the Bears after such a performance against the Titans .

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:23 pm

LaFleur has already set the tone, calling this match a playoff game.

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December 30, 2020 at 01:46 pm

If they put the game in Trubisky's hands by limiting Montgomery in the run game, and if they can protect ARod, they should win this one.

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PF4L's picture

December 30, 2020 at 10:31 am

As i leaned towards the Titans pre-game, it's only right i come back and eat crow, The Packers played four strong quarters, maybe for the first time this season.

When i turned on the game and saw all the snow, i no longer had a feeling the Titans had a chance. As a Packer and NFL fan, i love snow and i will watch any game, any teams if it's snowing
In my defense, my only defense. I wrote this in here, before the game. "The best chance is cold...and/or snow. Mother nature.
Lets be honest...it looked like that was the first time the Titans saw snow. They looked and played clueless.
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Jersey Al...great write up.
Pettine did a 180 and played the run first, trusting his Def. backs playing man and stacking the box.
The last thing Pettine needed was Henry going off for 200+ yards. He probably would have been driven out of town and he knew it.
Nevertheless, give him credit. Right call in those conditions.
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We saw the Packers offense hum, for 4 quarters, no punts. I think we all were waiting for that, including Rodgers. As he said after the Panther game
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For what Kirksey has given us, his contract, being on IR and/or the injury list so much. I doubt they bring him back. We have young hungry players who give you better value. Kirksey was a wish, prayer, and leap of faith after 2 years of missing like, 23 games or so.
8 million? I don't think so.
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Anyway...Rock on Packer Nation. This bears team is going to be hungry and will give the Pack more problems than the snow game Titans. But Tribusky?...i don't think so.
The only way they win, Is if the front 7 plow through our O line like the Bucs and Panthers did. Unlike the first meeting, they have players back including Hicks.

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splitpea1's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:35 am

I looked at the blocked FG from another angle and it appears that Wagner's leg got tangled up with Jenkins', causing him to slip and leave a gap for the rusher.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:37 am

"Christian Kirksey may have played one of his most impactful games as a Packer - on ONLY 12 SNAPS! "

I like Kirksey as a low snaps guy. Bring him in on certian packages where he can be effective. He's just not a 3 down LB. He gets pushed around and he gets tired and it shows when he can't keep up. He should be getting fewer snaps than Barnes for sure.

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:24 pm

Heard a comment somewhere that they felt Kirksey was not getting the chance to apply his ability to read and react (something they lauded at signing) in the Mike role and that moving him to Will now that Barnes was ready was a better fit for the strengths of both.

I have no idea if true, it was apparently a brief to s commentator, but it did seem to suit him last week. Of course every ILB looked better behind a viable D line. I don’t think that we should discount the impact of a stronger front. To me the impact was visible in real time viewing.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:36 pm

The bigs up front and TWO Ilbs make any defense better, essentialy a 5-2 with the mandate on edge responsibility. Kirksey is best on the move. He could be back next year ,but not at 8M. Hopefully the D has found its mojo.

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PF4L's picture

December 31, 2020 at 08:32 am

Agreed
Unfortunately we can't take some of Kirksey's 8 million, and pay Barnes more.
That wasn't the best 8 million dollars spent

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:55 am

Al, do you guys need help fixing the double post issue?

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Qoojo's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:13 pm

My polluted mindset is to not get too high or too low based on one game. Can the packers duplicate the defensive effort or was this a one-off against a team not ready to play in snow?

The packers have shown an excellent offense all year, so not as worried about the offense having another complete game.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 02:29 pm

It will be a different type of game for the O vs the Bears good D and a division foe. However, we are a very difficult offense to defend because we have so many good options. A win, no injuries and a week of rest.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 05:22 pm

We just got Snacks, wanted him all along ! Le'ts hope that he's angry about being let go.

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PF4L's picture

December 31, 2020 at 08:38 am

Snacks requested to be released.

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