Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - 2019 Game 14, Packers - Bears

The weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

MVS: Let's not give up on this kid just yet. I was first on the MVS train - I had the Packers taking him in the draft. Here's what I wrote at the time:

With a 4.37 40 time at the combine, Valdes-Scantling is a rare combination of size and speed. He is very raw and has a lot to learn in terms of running routes and holding onto the ball, but may be a project worth taking a flyer on late in the draft.

I think that sums up what he still is  - a project. He still has a lot to learn and perhaps we (including myself) all got a little ahead of ourselves in the expectations department this year. LaFleur says he's working hard in practice to get better, so let's all slow down on MVS. He may need another full season to become a real NFL player.

Running game: Give credit to the Bears - they've got some BIG dudes up front that are hard to move. There weren't and big holes for Jones to run through on this day and that can happen. Of course the thing to do then is to get him involved in the passing game. the Packers failed to do that. Rodgers said they had Jones out wide a few times but didn't target him. I'm not even talking about that, I'd like to see him coming out of the backfield where a linebacker might have to cover him. I thought first down on the final drive would have been a perfect time for a nice simple safe pass to Jones instead of running into the middle of the line where they achieved nothing all day. More on that later.

Chandon Sullivan: This is Chandon Sullivan week on twitter. Suddenly everyone seems to have discovered that this guy is playing really well. I wrote about him in this space a few weeks ago as someone that was really coming on. When I saw the BJ Goodson was inactive, I anticipated the Packers were planning to go DB heavy and a big part of that was Chandon Sullivan.He was on the field for 2/3 of the defensive snaps, was in on 6 tackles (5 solo). had a pass defended and forced a fumble. He's a hard hitter and a sure tackler. Great find by Gutey.

Scripting plays: There's little argument that the Packers offense has looked it's best at the start of games, running the pre-planned script the coaches and Rodgers come up with. My question: Why not have a script planned for the start of the second half? And you would have halftime to tweak it based on things you saw in the first half. Is this s dumb question?

Allen Lazard: I wrote last week that his blocking is a big reason he's been seeing so many snaps. Well it was on full display as he continued to destroy defensive backs and even some linebackers. Our buddy Ha Ha wanted nothing to do with him on several occasions.

Decisions, Decisions: So many head scratchers by Rodgers in this game, but none stands out like the pass at the end of the half. Facing fourth down on the Bears 41 yard line with nine seconds on the clock and no timeouts - it's Hail Mary time, right? No? OK, then you look for a 10 yard sideline completion, get out of bounds, stop the clock and let Crosby try a field goal, right? No? I know, lets drop back, sit in a perfect pocket with no pressure and throw a 15 yard pass to the dead middle of the field. Now, If that's how you feel about it, Aaron, you would have been better off taking a knee and not take the risk of an interception. Can't make any sense of this one. 

The Ghost of Mike McCarthy: Ok, we know MM wants a coaching job. We've seen the McCarthy video of him assembling a staff and analyzing plays, NFL trends, etc. What we didn't know was that Matt LaFleur hired McCarthy as a consultant for this game.. That fourth quarter with four starlight three and outs to "protect" a lead? Textbook McCarthy (foot off the gas).

The Joke's on you, Chicago: And finally, let's all have a good laugh. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... to infinity.

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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ironman3169's picture

December 18, 2019 at 05:32 am

Good article as usual, Al.
It’s really a shame about MVS. Rodgers finally, FINALLY, throws a good pass to him, (you know, one where he doesn’t have to give up the 2 steps he has on the defender), and he drops it.

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December 18, 2019 at 05:45 am

Good Bet: MM coaches the Lions next year. MVS: Let him redeem himself! If he can't track the ball better, Cut him. Lazard isn't a threat. Future TE! Rodgers decesions are the start of dementia. Not concerned yet? Run game vs the bears/blitz. Use to be a draw/screen pass worked. Sullivan has played well! But Summers should have played before Burks. Like that Ha Ha missed. But Kumerow isn't going to change anything. Common it was Ha Ha!

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December 18, 2019 at 06:52 am

I still think McCarthy will be the next Cleveland Browns HC, not the Lions (Sorry SH). Matter of fact I just heard something on Golic and Wingnut the Lions were sticking with both Quinn and Patricia for 2020.

I like Lazard and would be in favor of him at TE IF that's where the coaching staff thinks he'd be best used. He's already a better blocker than Graham so he's got that.

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December 18, 2019 at 07:50 am

I also heard that they will be keeping Quinn and Patricia.

I still don't get the fascination with Lazard to TE? He is a bigger WR but why can't he just be a bigger WR?
In LaFleur's offense the WR's block and run routes. But they do it more from the outside. Making him bulk up 20-30 lbs will make him lose speed, and probably wouldn't be nearly as effective.

How about we just let him be a big WR?

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December 18, 2019 at 08:52 am

I'm with you RC. I've said in an earlier blog that the "make Lazard a TE" is this year's "change Ty Montgomery's number to RB". Makes no sense. Just let the player do what they do and forget the "he has to be the definition of (fill in the blank) player position". It's just silly IMHO.

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December 18, 2019 at 11:54 am

If you are a hippopotamus, then you have to be a hippopotamus. You cannot be a fish, or a zebra, or a chimpanzee. Be the best hippopotamus you can be. Because there is really no choice.

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December 18, 2019 at 12:13 pm

Some people (OK, lots of people) think that I am a "Richard Cranium", so I try to be the best that I can.

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PeteK's picture

December 18, 2019 at 01:13 pm

Hahahah, from Chicken Little to a ..... head. Watching these games will do that.

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PeteK's picture

December 18, 2019 at 09:45 am

At times Lazard is lining up tight , just like a TE and blocking well.

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December 18, 2019 at 12:31 pm

Yes, and MM had Rodgers (TE at WR lining up.) Versatility is a plus. Red Zone threats are a Plus. Mis- matches are a plus. But big guys do lose their speed. The faster the WR, The more problems. The packers should draft around #30. That won't get you the top 5 WR. I believe the packers will get blocked out on the Top Wrs this draft. It will take 2 yrs. for a second rounder. 3 yrs for 3-5 round pick. //Past/// Moore was a bust @ 4th rd. . MVS was losing out to St. Brown. Both are 50/50 now. //// Still - Gute will have to draft bargains and hope he finds a Donald Driver. But as the blue chips get taken. His best pick would be a defensive player climbing. Not filling a need. My eyes are on Chaisson, Wilson Dt. And these 3 WR later. Mims,Jennings Jeff Thomas. Long way to the draft, SO USE WHAT YOU GOT! One just might make MVP.

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PeteK's picture

December 18, 2019 at 01:18 pm

Cobb drafted bottom of second round.

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December 18, 2019 at 06:25 pm

Move up for your guy , if he's there. Ted is gone. Tate will be a free agent and it's not against the Law to make a trade.
Sitting on his hands, this year , cost Gutedkunst a playmaker. Get aggressive.

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December 18, 2019 at 10:08 am

On one thing we can all agree; in his return as a head coach, McCarthy's first offensive play from scrimmage will be an A gap inside hand-off to the halfback

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December 18, 2019 at 11:58 am

That’s what I’d do, because if you cannot run that play for a few yards.....it’s gonna be along season.

If M3 ends up in Dallas, with all that firepower already there, his critics are going to be in a tough spot.

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December 18, 2019 at 11:18 am

(Stockholder) Rodgers decisions are the start of dementia.

He has taken a great many hits over the years, due to his "Keep holding the ball and wait for someone to break free while dancing in the pocket" style.

His current problems do seem to be more mental than anything else - you only have to slow down a tiny bit mentally, to show a real dip in form. It would be a crying shame to never see Rodgers in his late 20's form again.

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edp1959's picture

December 18, 2019 at 02:14 pm

Wow, now we have people on here diagnosing mental heath conditions of players. Amazing....

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PeteK's picture

December 18, 2019 at 04:45 pm

Hahahaha. That's because we're all crazy fanatics

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December 18, 2019 at 05:49 am

You may be right, MVS could still develop and its hard to develop when you only get 1 pass opportunity and it being a deep ball. A few quick short throws is often the recipe to get a WR back in the groove for even studs who experience a lapse. It would have served him well to have more targets previously. While MVS may have become overwhelmed by being started into the #2 receiver spot too soon, well, he shown flashes enough to get that opportunity....so it was his golden chance.

You absolutely right on the running game not yielding due to bear's Dline strength, and should have neutralized that with AJones on passes out of backfield.

Great foresight on Chandon Sullivan earlier and bringing him to our attention.

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PeteK's picture

December 18, 2019 at 09:50 am

A damning stat on MVS is that he only makes a catch on half of his targets, lowest percentage on the team.

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December 18, 2019 at 10:17 am

My first thought was 'sure, but that's because MVS only gets thrown to deep'. To an extent that's true, his yards per reception is 18.6, which is a good 7 yards higher than the team average. His yards per target though are much closer to the team average.

His numbers would be a little better if Rodgers hadn't under-thrown him so much this year.

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PeteK's picture

December 18, 2019 at 01:33 pm

While were at it, he has caught 2 passes in last 6 games, 21 in first 7, wonder if he is injured more than we know.

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wildbill's picture

December 18, 2019 at 05:57 am

A “project” shouldn’t be your #2 receiver, just saying..

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Gort's picture

December 18, 2019 at 12:08 pm

Ten thumbs up. Nailed it.

Edit - posted my original comment at 7-ish then looked back at noon-ish and found that there were exactly 10 up votes at that time. THX to the other 9.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 18, 2019 at 12:55 pm

And here I thought you were making a "MVS is all thumbs" pun.

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December 18, 2019 at 07:19 pm

Well, damn. Missed on that one big time.

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December 18, 2019 at 08:31 am

For sure, I think they were really banking on Graham being their de facto #2 receiver this year and it just hasn't happened. Now they're left relying on too many projects to produce right now.

Still, I think the solution is to give more snaps to the guys you think are best of the group, and hope that those additional reps produce more consistency.

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December 18, 2019 at 09:58 am

Yes, which would lead me to believe that Kumerow should get more snaps. However, I don't think he's the ans either or else he would be playing more.

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December 19, 2019 at 08:34 am

I think they were banking on Allison/MSV/ESB/ Kumerow as being worth 10 targets a game. And they are. On most plays, the #2WR is a blocker or a decoy.

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December 18, 2019 at 12:34 pm

Donald Driver was

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December 18, 2019 at 06:42 am

" I thought first down on the final drive would have been a perfect time for a nice simple safe pass to Jones instead of running into the middle of the line where they achieved nothing all day. "

One of those things that drive you crazy. I thought great this is that play, where let's make it interesting and give the ball back to the other team even if it means maybe losing the game. Let's just give the momentum,,no matter how hard fought or fortunate (Lowry interception, right back!

Yeesh.

" My question: Why not have a script planned for the start of the second half? And you would have halftime to tweak it based on things you saw in the first half. Is this s dumb question?"

And an excellent one, and I'm full of sarcasm today.

So let me get this straight let's have a plan for the first quarter but no plan for the second we'll just wing it. Is that even logical?

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December 18, 2019 at 06:56 am

The sequence on offense to end the 1st half was even worse than that one play.

They wasted so much time despite having 2 timeouts left and the pass to Jimmy Graham was 100% detrimental.
That was the worst clock management I've seen in a long time in the NFL.

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December 18, 2019 at 06:59 am

MLF said the other day that Rodgers has carte blanche to change any play call at any time. When the offense goes ultra conservative & ineffective for stretches during games I'm just wondering if MLF is calling those plays or if Rodgers is?

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December 18, 2019 at 07:06 am

MVS: Let's
I'm not giving up on MVS. Honestly right now what I think MVS needs is a couple of 'easy' plays. Maybe do a designed screen to him. Something to get his confidence up and get him in the flow of a game. A couple of plays like that could make all the differences and turn this around for him. Right now it feels like a bad golf outing. He just needs that one hit to feel comfortable again.

Running game:
If I could take one player from every team, the player I would take from the Bears is Hicks. That guy is a warrior and is a load in the middle.
I agree that they need to get Jones especially involved in the passing game more when the running game isn't working. And that is getting the running backs on routes from the backfield. They can definitely do more with Jones out of the backfield.

Chandon Sullivan:
Sullivan has been a great find! He has been really, really good. He has been really good in coverage. That throw down the sideline he played that as good as anyone can play it.

Scripting plays:
Not a dumb question. What my question is though why is it that when the script runs out the offense bogs down? If plays worked in the first few drives, are they simply going away from what worked, has the defense adjusted and we haven't had a counter punch? Why do the scripted plays look great and the rest of the offense look iffy.
So my follow up question is why can't they have a few scripted plays using various personnel? So if the defenses adjust they have a 'go to' for a change of pace?

Allen Lazard:
While his blocking is a big reason he has earned more playing time, his receiving skills deserve more targets. He simply catches just about everything his way. He was targeted 3 times and had 2 catches against the Bears. He needs to get the ball thrown his way a little more. He has size and speed. Time to start using it!
Speaking of Targets are some of the struggles in this offense the fact that they are simply targeting Adams to much? Now some of the targets are not truly targeting a specific player if they are just trying to throw it away. But look at the last 4 games. Adams has been targeted 41 times and has 24 receptions. Allison has been targeted 12 times and has 8 receptions. Lazard has been targeted 11 times and has 8 receptions. Looking at the production Adams has 251 yards and 4 TD's in that stretch. Allison has 59 yards and 0 TD's. Lazard has 143 yards and 1 TD.
Its time to get Lazard the ball more!

Decisions, Decisions:
Yeah, I have no clue what happened at the end of half. That was messed up. I just don't get the thinking in that. The only thing I could think of was that Rodgers thought they had a timeout left. But that should have been LaFleur in his ear telling him that they have nothing left.

The Ghost of Mike McCarthy:
When LaFleur said all gas no brakes, I was just wondering if he forgot to fill the tank up? You can't go all gas if you have no gas.
Overall I was 'Ok' with play calling. But that last 3rd down play I hated. Its 3rd and 5. Bears have the box loaded. Why not spread them out and see how the Bears line up then. Rodgers may be able to do a simple pass to gain 5 yards. He may be able to hand it off, Or he might be able to scramble. But the line up was telling that it was going to be a simple handoff. The Bears run defense all day was really, really good. We were not running on them for 5 yards. And they were disciplined enough to stop Rodgers on the roll out.
I would have much rather have seen them being aggressive going for the first down and ending the game.

The Joke's on you, Chicago: And finally, let's all have a good laugh. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... to infinity.
Well said! As much trash as they talked all offseason. We can enjoy this lol.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 18, 2019 at 01:08 pm

Yeah,that 3 and 5 play was a beauty . As I recall the clock was down to the usual 0 ,1 or 2 seconds. Let's run right up the middle with everyone on D teed up because the clock is rundown.

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December 18, 2019 at 07:07 am

Interesting to see Fuller let up on Kumerow as he thought HaHa would make the tackle.

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December 18, 2019 at 08:27 am

After watching HaHa in GB, why would anyone think he would make the tackle?

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albert999's picture

December 18, 2019 at 07:20 am

Great article Al
I agree on all points

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Tundraboy's picture

December 18, 2019 at 01:11 pm

Is it Rodgers downvoting this one?

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December 18, 2019 at 08:35 am

With the playoffs and a possible bye week looming with just 2 regular season games left, I want to see the most reliable and productive players on the field.

MVS has potential okay, then send him out long and let him spread and loosen the field and draw coverage away from plays to Williams or Jones out of the backfield, or to Lazard or Kumerow on a 8 - 10 yard routes, or similar.

Play calls to more reliable and productive players right now beats out plays to potential playmakers.

Agree 100 % with your scripting analysis, would like to believe that going forward the Packers open their second half series with plays called that attack their opponent's D play as seen in the first half.

Sullivan deservedly earned his praises against the Bears, yes you were right about him and yes, a great find by the GM.

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December 18, 2019 at 08:27 am

Agree. There are basically 9 WRs and TEs that are being rotated right now. That was likely the right approach earlier in the season, and especially when Adams was injured/recovering. it's time to call a spade a spade, and dramatically cut the snaps down for at least 3 of these guys.

Lewis is a different breed of TE, keep him out there. But pick the best of Graham/Tonyan/Sternberger and let that person take most of the reps. Same for MVS/Lazard/Kumerow/Allison. Personally I'd put Jones/Lewis/Tonyan/Adams and Lazard on the field as a group more often.

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December 18, 2019 at 01:14 pm

Yes please. Starting this week!

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Packers0808's picture

December 18, 2019 at 07:52 am

One question does bother me greatly, "What is really going on with Rodgers'? Any ideas out there?

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December 18, 2019 at 07:54 am

I truly believe it’s arrogance,stubbornness, ego

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December 18, 2019 at 08:40 am

Brees goes 29 for 30 with 540 tds at 41years old. Rodgers is 35 and does things that would get a rookie benched. Kyle Allen, Dwayne Haskins, and even Trubisky make plays that Aaron cannot. They have honestly looked better than he has. Yes we are getting wins, despite our QB play, not because of it.

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December 18, 2019 at 10:17 am

The throw to Kumerow 25 yds down field between two defenders only a few yds away in frigid temps was great. There might not be a QB in the NFL right now that can make that throw. Which leaves me to believe that it's the receivers not getting open on a consistent basis. Also, Adams is not 100% because on that long crossing pattern catch there was not that usual burst in the open field.

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albert999's picture

December 18, 2019 at 07:52 am

As armchair quarterbacks I believe there are some really good observations on these posts
Why the hell cant the head coach see these common sense fixes?

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December 18, 2019 at 09:51 am

Maybe because common sense usually isn't, especially coming from an arm chair.

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December 18, 2019 at 02:11 pm

It isn't always coming from an arm chair. Didn't Rodgers have to go plead with MLF to get him to play Lazard?

Sometimes I think they should have a Common Sense Coach to help them see what seems so obvious to everybody else.

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December 18, 2019 at 08:07 am

I agree that MVS needs another year, but I am concerned about his lack of progress this year. I recall ESB passing MVS in production and playing time during the last four games of last season and that may be a harbinger of next season. Regardless, the Packers need to find a quick slot receiver either in free agency or the draft.

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December 18, 2019 at 08:24 am

I keep saying this, but with MVS high ankle injury, the Packers are really limited in what they can call for him. Losing both ESB and now MVS (he's a decoy all right) has set this WR group back. Still, even if both were healthy, this would be a thin group. Gutes needs list keeps getting longer....

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December 18, 2019 at 08:25 am

Agree Guam and the kid from Texas, Duvanay, would be perfect for them. Probably would be a third round pick.

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PeteK's picture

December 18, 2019 at 10:25 am

Jalen Reagor-TCU, does it all, but that's a discussion for the off season. I couldn't help myself.

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December 18, 2019 at 06:29 pm

Great choice for your deep threat and return game.

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December 18, 2019 at 08:18 am

So, Mike McCarthy lives in Aaron Rodgers head. Polluted Mindset indeed......

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December 18, 2019 at 08:19 am

Agree that the Rodgers pass at the end of the first half made absolutely no sense. You'd expect to see that out of a rookie QB. I thought his head first slide on third down, with 10+ yards to go to get to the first down line, was equally baffling. He's got to be smarter than that.

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December 18, 2019 at 12:02 pm

I love Aaron Rodgers. HIs play has, at times, become very frustrating to watch. What you've said here, Cubby, is spot on. Those are things Aaron Rodgers does not do. The man who knows where everyone is supposed to be on every play, the guy with the photographic memory, does not suddenly lose all situational awareness. He continues to do so, and I just don't get it. Most concerning.

Go Pack!

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December 18, 2019 at 08:22 am

I love this column by Jersey Al-Thanks Al!
Now I have two thoughts, first Lazard is a beast, but a hybrid beast. He's TE size with a wideout skills. He's pretty rare in the NFL and the Packers should use him like a TE so he's on a safety or LB verses a CB on longer routes and against CBs on those short routes where they don't have time to cover him. Another NFL team had a hybrid receiver like Lazard and that was Marques Colston of the Saints. MLF should figure a better way to utilize Lazard in both the running and passing game like the Saints did with Colston.

I agree with Jersey Al on MVS. Packers took two developmental receivers in that draft and Moore from MO. was the other. MVS had a bigger upside and more polish so he stuck and Moore has recently signed with another team. Another year will do wonders for both guys.

I hope the Packers start drafting QBs because we are seeing age winning the battle against Rodgers. He can still have those 300+ yard games, but the sharpness he had for years is no longer consistent in his play. A quality QB is just so hard to find...it may take a few swipes of draft picks just to get a decent starter. Maybe Tua will be available at the end of the 1st round.

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December 18, 2019 at 12:31 pm

It's going to be tough for Gute in coming drafts. Do you spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a QB to start prepping for the future? Or do you use that to draft other positions, knowing that could make the difference between another SB in the Rodgers era? Not an easy call to make.

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December 18, 2019 at 09:20 am

Al, Still one of my favorite (if not THE favorite) article to read on CHTV. My wife asked me why I was laughing so hard after the Ha-Ha "Swan Dive" tackle and I had to explain, lol. It's nice that at this time of year we can laugh at stuff and still know we are 11-3 and the Bears still suck.

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December 18, 2019 at 09:49 am

Maybe the best article on this site in a while!

D is not perfect but they have been the reason we have won - holding teams to low scores - most games, even though I hate the bend but don't break concept.
The O, despite adding a pretty good running game, has been dissappointing. This is a combination or MLF, AR and receivers. AR is getting paid the very big bucks and he simply needs to play smarter if he no longer make the throws he used to.

When Adams had the dropsies in his 2nd year, I was ready to cut him. So MM was right on that one. I don't know how you judge when a player will get better or not. They eventually gave up on Janis even though he had those 2 great hail mary catches. So just keep MVS running deep and taking 1 or 2 defenders with him until we get another speedster. This is why it would be great to go up by 2+ scores. Then you could practice plays you might not otherwise risk.

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edp1959's picture

December 18, 2019 at 02:21 pm

Who was it on the defense that called the play and through the 4th down TD? Seems like that was the difference in the game that the defense came with two yards of giving up at the end of the game.

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Christian Roussel's picture

December 18, 2019 at 10:06 am

Really good article. What's annoying with Rodgers is that at 36 years old, i tought the decline would be physical and not about decision making. But on the positive side, he still has an amazing arm, enough mobility and experience. Up to him!

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December 18, 2019 at 10:13 am

Agreed! Sometimes it looks like Rodgers is playing with a concussion. His decision making was what has separated from most of the other QBs in the league. Thanks, Since '61

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December 18, 2019 at 10:11 am

Al - scripted plays for the second half makes sense and maybe the Packers did that for the Bears game. They did come out and score 2 TDs in the 3rd quarter. Maybe those drives were scripted and maybe not but the offense looked pretty sharp during those drives.
I just don't get a sense of what the game plan is after the Packers opening drive or two in the first quarter. It almost looks like let's try this and see what happens.

IMO the Packers need to go more up tempo. Stop trying to get the defense to jump offsides and stop looking for defensive holding on pass plays. Come up to LOS snap the ball and execute the play. If this is actually done for 3 quarters it will make the hard count much more effective later in the game when you are trying to keep a time consuming drive going. Right now it looks like we come up to the LOS try the hard count, run the clock down to zero and then hope for defensive holding before Rodgers throws the ball. MLF needs to get this corrected and quite frankly he should have done so by now. Create a game plan, execute it, adjust as necessary and stop playing for penalties. In fact playing in Minnesota forget the hard count, just go with all scripted and up tempo because of the crowd noise. The last thing the Vikings defense will be expecting is for the Packers offense to come up to the LOS and snap the ball quickly.
Thanks, Since '61

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showmefan's picture

December 18, 2019 at 04:05 pm

Queens game will all be silent count! Agree with every thing you said about going up tempo.

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December 18, 2019 at 10:38 am

Lazard and Touchdown Jesus have to see more snaps over G-Mo and MVS, Stevie Wonder could even see that they are clearly better receivers than the other 2 .

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December 18, 2019 at 10:39 am

As far as scripting goes and the start of the game, I think it's best to analyze why the beginning script works. Is it because

- Everyone knows and understands the plays being run
- Better planning and play calling
--- Then as an aside note, no adjustments made by opposing team

I kind of wonder if Rodgers still doesn't fully grasp the new offense or if teams make adjustments and the packers do not adjust to the adjustments. Packers come out with a new wrinkle in the offense through scripted plays, then the other team makes adjustments, and the packers are lost with the same game plan for the rest of the game.

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December 18, 2019 at 11:34 am

"I kind of wonder if Rodgers still doesn't fully grasp the new offense"

That has been my thought. The scripted plays, which I assume are the ones that get practiced more during the week, go great. Then the unscripted plays begin, and Rodgers starts looking unsure of where to go with the ball.

I don't think it's outrageous to think that a guy who's only been in one system his whole career might still be a beat slow on the new offense he's being taught. And in the NFL, a beat is all that's needed to separate great from average.

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December 19, 2019 at 11:08 am

"I don't think it's outrageous to think that a guy who's only been in one system his whole career might still be a beat slow on the new offense he's being taught."

And perhaps when indecision strikes, Rodgers reverts to what he knows...the MM offense.

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December 18, 2019 at 11:17 am

Good stuff in general, Jersey Al.
As has been pointed out here at CHTV, even when he isn't targeted, MVS is the kind of speedster who stretches the defense and opens up opportunities for other receivers.
Plus, I don't remember him dropping many, if any, other balls this season.
I predict MVS will catch a long one against the Vikes. It may be better to have him crossing the field at least a little bit on a soft slant in order to make it easier for him to track the ball.

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December 18, 2019 at 12:36 pm

amazing how inbred this site is

try the Chicago Tribune reviews of the game and you believe nobody in WI or IL watched the same game. The praise for Rodgers (which is actually spot on) and how the packer play calling/scheme stopped MACK from being a game changer to opportunities for other bears like Hicks (who was really good) and 44 and others to step up and win. they did not
Example Mack on the field for 20 run plays. only 3 were remotely at him, following the RAM pattern

In all serious the Rodgers trolls need to shut up and go see what other teams and what other team reporters find in their review of coaches film

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December 18, 2019 at 03:57 pm

The only thing I'll say about this is that Khalil Mack is not on the field to be a run-stopper. In his last six games, Mack has a total of 15 tackles and 2 sacks. It sounds to me like the Tribune writers are very much over-rating Mack's importance, especially in the run game.

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December 18, 2019 at 01:57 pm

The Packers and Rodgers are one of, if not the best 1st Quarter teams in the NFL. #12 has a passer rating 140 + in the first quarter. It plummets to 80 something for Qtrs 2, 3, and 4. Matt, Aaron and Coach Hackett are excellent play writes scripting the first drives.

However, I like Al's suggestion to have a script ready to start the 2nd half. Maybe they did on Sunday because they were on fire in the 3rd Quarter for a change.

I would think Coach Hackett could be doing just that up in the booth as he analyzed the D's vulnerabilities in the first half.

One thing has to change...Pettine's desire to play prevent, zone D as soon as the team has a lead. I know the D is very good in the red zone but why he does not trust his players to get stops between the 20"s is strange. His Caper's like tendencies to bend is frustrating. Unlike Capers whose defenses also usually broke...at least Pettine's tend to hold. But they are pretty good playing man and bringing the pressure.

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Chen19's picture

December 18, 2019 at 02:49 pm

How is nobody talking about how high Alexander got up there to try and make the catch?

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December 18, 2019 at 03:49 pm

Is there a doctor in the house? Oh wait seems like there are several on here that want to pretend they can now diagnose a mental issue. Same ones that know more than coaches and HOF players.

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December 18, 2019 at 04:55 pm

They're coming to take me away he he ha ha

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December 18, 2019 at 07:28 pm

I logged onto CHTV very early and saw one comment for this article. I logged in at 7:00 pm and couldn't find this article.

CHTV shouldn't have articles 1 through 4 be the same as the Latest Buzz. It is redundant, and too many articles are getting buried.

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