Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - 2019 Game 1, Packers - Bears

The weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Any truth to the rumor that Antonio Brown wanted out of Oakland because they picked up DeShone Kizer? Just wondering...

Kenny Clark: Packers better get him signed to an extension quickly before he has a monster season and his price skyrockets. Speaking of Clark, how many holding penalties have you seen against interior defensive linemen? Is that even possible?

Defensive Backfield. In a previous Polluted Mindset I wrote that the Packers defensive backs would be the strength of this defense. I'll double down on that after only one game. They were everywhere, contesting catches, hitting receivers immediately and not allowing YAC. Even some of the Bear's most successful passes showed the Packers with really good coverage, And wow, do our new safeties like to hit or what? 

Illusion of Complexity: The Packers didn't pull many rabbits out of hats Thursday night. The Bears were not fooled very often when the Packers tried to get cute and credit to LaFleur for recognizing that. LaFleur went with more two-TE sets, especially In the fourth quarter and they rattled off a 10-play 73 yd. drive to set Mason Crosby up for a some very important insurance points and just as importantly, ran 6:33 off the clock. 

Time waits for no one:  Our own Aaron Nagler got the tweet below out before I could (he's the twitter zenmaster), but damn I was thinking the exact same thing. Snapping the ball with 0.1 seconds on the clock, delay of games, and even worse, wasted timeouts - not like you might need them at the end of the game or anything! At least Rodgers had the gumption to accept responsibility in his post-game comments. Life would be much easier overall for this team if they can get this issue worked out once and for all.

Mitch Trubisky: All offseason I kept hearing from NFL "experts" about how Mitch Trubisky was THE GUY that was sure to take a huge jump into the top-10 of NFL quarterbacks. I was confused. What exactly were they seeing that I wasn't? Alas, they must have been confused, not me. I hope this game cleared things up for them.

Bears fans: Twitter must have been down in Chicago Friday morning because there was no sign of any loudmouth Bears fans bragging about their team to Packers fans. In fact, it's still very quiet. I hope twitter can fix their issue.

Jeff Janis where are you?: If I had to pick a negative from this game that doesn't involve the subpar performance of the Packers' offense, I'd bemoan that the Packers don't seem to have a monster gunner on punt coverage as they've had in the past. Cohen was allowed to return four punts, which could have been a very dangerous thing with his skills. Luckily, the Packers coverage team stayed disciplined in their lanes and were at least able to contain him to a nine yard return average. 

Elgton Jenkins: Get ready, young man. Lane Taylor got destroyed and ate some of that fine Soldier field grass on several occasions. 

DBAK: This was the most human he's looked in a very long time. I have no doubt he'll bounce back.

Darnell Savage: Does anyone still think the Packers made a mistake trading up to grab him? This kid is a future All-Pro. Write it down.

Some things never change: The Packers STILL can't run the clock out to end a game.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

September 08, 2019 at 06:57 am

Thanks for providing the video on the Clark holding call. I am as baffled now as I was then. Has the league commented? Had we recovered the fumble, that call could have been huge.

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TheVOR's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:30 am

That was a horrible homer call on Clark, total BS.. If you call that you can call holding on every play. John Madden said that decades ago. It's far to subjective.

Also, overall, the article talking about various players like BAK, or that it's like MM never left? Give me a freekin break, they played like zero to 10 plays in preseason. Nothing like actual Game Speed and meaning to bring out the rust hangover from preseason.

Coach LaFleur is a young first time coach, he's anything but Mike McCarthy, and he's going to grow as a coach. Watch that locker room footage and Tell me it's like MM never left. That locker room is playing for the man, he's building an entirely different culture. Just wait until this guy gets a season under his belt, hell, even another 3-4 games.

That was a phenomenal opener! Our guys will get nothing but better moving forward. I won't say we "stole one", we ground out a big win with a rookie coach and a vastly improved roster. The Stock just spiked. They need to maul the Vikings this week in Lambeau.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:46 am

"Watch that locker room footage and Tell me it's like MM never left"

The difference is literally shocking. Outside the super Bowl victory I don't think I can remember if I ever saw anything like that.

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JerseyAl's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:52 am

no one is saying LaFleur is McCarthy, but if you have eyes, you saw the offense do some things we all blasted McCarthy for. the point was to say that maybe it wasn't all McCarthy. I think you missed (or ignored) that part.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:23 am

When the Packers are in sync they move fast. When Rodgers feels they are not he tries to make the D give them the play by revealing their plan. That’s my take for what it’s worth.

Running out the clock on the ground is tough against the Bears’ run D for anyone. Still need to sprinkle in some first downs.

Once up in the game and being able to stop the Chicago O except on the one drive where they gave up poor starting position, why open the playbook? I liked the two TE approach with speed deep. Was it particularly effective? No, but execution was part of that, however it was effective enough.

I was again impressed with the Chicago front 7. In addition to run D and pressure, their lateral speed is impressive. This is not a team for end arounds and sweeps. The speed of their ILBs impacts shirt crossing routes as well.

Against the Vikings there should be more space in the short to intermediate areas to get that game going and more opportunities to use the RBs in the passing game or with Davis to exploit width behind Adams and MVS. The next game ought to see more of the playbook unfolded, I believe.

As to the Guards, I think you have to include Linsley and give credit to Pagano for a plan that, while it fits his style, also acknowledges that our tackles are as good as they come. In very in MM like manner, he didn’t just rely on his players undoubted ability, but schemed to focus it on our weak point.

Cohesion for the central linemen is critical. They have to play as a unit nit divorced from what the player to the left or right is doing. Against perhaps the best front they will face admittedly, what I saw is that that was lacking.

Turner has never played a down in anger with Linsley or Baluga, linsley missed time with injury and the Madison at center experiment, Taylor missed time for Jenkins. Even in practice this line seldom played together consistently. In my mind, that proved to be a huge mistake. The lack of coordination was exposed time and time again making individual efforts uncoordinated and individuals exposed to Pagano’s concerted and focused pressure. The handling of the line in TC was a mistake in my view. I believe that it will improve with playing time, however.

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Thebearsstillsuck's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:57 am

It definitely wasn't all Mccarthy. It definitely wasn't all TT. Rodgers definitely isn't without blame. It was a perfect shit storm of terrible coaching, horrible talent evaluation and player acquisition, and a QB who hasn't been a top 5 QB for a while now.

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Difer's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:01 pm

Rodgers' best days are behind him. He can still manage the game, but unless the OL improves SIGNIFICANTLY (running & pass protection) and SOON, the Packers will struggle to make .500. The rust has rust.

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Oppy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:32 pm

THere's been a very small handful of commenters here who have stated repeatedly that there is a lot of misplaced blame laid on MM's shoulders that belonged at least equally on Rodgers.. And we were saying it for the last few years.

I couldn't believe after Thursday night's game that there were comments here at CHTV from a number of posters stating that MLF's decision to throw the ball on second down during a clock run off situation (to seal the game) was "Innovative", "Creative", and "Something we wouldn't have seen from MM". Holy Effing denial, batman.. It was an utterly stupid call, and I don't believe for a second that MLF, with an offense that builds its identity around the ground game called a pass into the huddle on a down where yardage isn't even as important as forcing the opponent's TO... As far as I'm concerned, that's classic #12.

I'll say it yet again: Rodgers is the most talented QB in the league.. but make no mistake about it, he's got wild diva tendencies that need to be reigned in. Playing as a team and chain of command trump individual talent. Please, Rodgers, make me look like a fool for suggesting you're the most talented coach killer in NFL history. I'm begging you.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:26 pm

Creative no, Novel no, good call, yes. It would have got a first down against that defensive call had it been executed adequately. Good audible I believe conceptually.

Inserting a pass like that against a run focused D is not a bad idea if it’s not expected rather than as a staple tactic.

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Oppy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:33 pm

They needed TO's eliminated first and foremost. It's clock management 101. There is nothing more I can say to you if you don't see that.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 08, 2019 at 05:29 pm

Coldworld…..most plays work when they're executed correctly. That's why it's not about individual talent, it's about the team executing.

However, the point is to win and they don't give style bonuses in the W/L column. The percentage play in that situation is to grind the clock. Those of you who don't think we should play the percentages should go to Las Vegas and test out your theory there first.

Sometimes, coaches start thinking they're smarter than they are. If that same scenario comes up again I hope Gutekunst runs the ball.

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carlos's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:07 pm

Being unpredictable in games isn’t a bad thing. If the pass was complete it’d be a good call. We need to shore up our offensive line somehow. I realize how good the Bears D is, but so is the Vikings and Lions line. By the way I’m glad the Lions blew their opening game. Living in northern Michigan I love the Lions play the last , what seems like forever- hopeless play. I’m not convinced we have all the running backs we’re going to need- hope I’m wrong. Especially watching the Patriots and what versatility they have. Vikings got me real nervous. They look like a tough out. We’ll see. Just some rants of mine. Go Pack.

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Barnacle's picture

September 10, 2019 at 02:12 pm

Carlos

I disagree “If the pass was complete it’d be a good call.”

We could have forced them to use a TO with near certainty. Ask Pete Carrol about passing for short yardage to clinch the Super Bowl. Not a good call, I hope LeFleur learns from his big mistake. MM would not admit his stupid clock management mistakes and cost us probably two SBs.

There are clear times and places for “hail Mary’s and other places to run the ball inbounds. Just because a stupid call worked doesn’t make it “a good call”.

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September 09, 2019 at 10:24 am

Simply put, that kind of play call will only ever be judged by its outcome: complete the pass and get the first down and you're a gutsy genius. Incomplete (or INT) and you're ignoring years of established strategy in how to handle the clock late in games and you're taking poorly-advised and unnecessary risks.

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edp1959's picture

September 09, 2019 at 05:36 am

Oh wow sounds like you should have gotten to head coach job instead of MLF since you know so much more about the game than he does.

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carlos's picture

September 09, 2019 at 07:10 am

You sound so nice edp. I’m allowed to express my thought. Been on this site forever and post like yours make me want to leave.

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carlos's picture

September 09, 2019 at 07:11 am

I’m very happy with our coach who,is to me, a breath of fresh air.

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carlos's picture

September 09, 2019 at 08:36 am

I’ll take a chill pill now. lol. Go Pack.

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carlos's picture

September 09, 2019 at 07:36 am

One more thing. I have coached football over the years. Obviously not on college or pro level. I said my piece.

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edp1959's picture

September 10, 2019 at 05:09 am

My reply was not to you.

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September 10, 2019 at 06:38 pm

Sorry edp. Was having a rough day. Thanks

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:21 pm

You cannot deny Rodgers had his way with the plays that were executed last year. I mean, any Packers fan is in that group.

There were things Aaron was doing that he felt were better. For the team? I would think so, but, he changed - a lot - of calls, from my view. Regardless, I don't think characterizing him as a coach killer is accurate.

Aaron has stated he wants to be coached, so, let's be patient and see how he is coached, as well as everybody else. It is WAY early to be making broad sweeping accusations. Let the Packers be coached, see how they adjust, what they change. The Bears Front 7 is completely in tact from last season. That was one of the best in the NFL last year. We saw it, and if you really review, each player who struggled, also played great. WE were the team that drove for 2 scores on that level of D. Think about that, AND, our D outplayed theirs. BE PATIENT. Watch, and see what happens. Going to be clunky stuff these next 3 weeks or so, but that should diminish. Proven players in their histories, young and old,. Inspired coaching. Thank you, Gutekunst. We'll be fine. Just watch it. I'm 100% confident this will be a very special season for the Packers.

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carlos's picture

September 09, 2019 at 07:13 pm

Agree GreenGold. Start of something special.

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edp1959's picture

September 10, 2019 at 05:06 am

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Tundraboy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 02:41 pm

That's true Al. And I'm trying to forget it happened. But I am certain we don't go in at halftime with a lead under MM,and that was always my biggest problem with him.

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BradHTX's picture

September 08, 2019 at 02:45 pm

I think the majority of Packers fans were objective enough to realize that there wasn’t only one problem with the team in recent years. Lack of overall talent/depth, stale play calling/design, and bad habits by AR. And I think most people recognized that the relationship between MM and AR had soured and become dysfunctional.

Well, we are stuck with AR’s contract and it’s easier for a HOF QB to adjust to a new scheme than it is to find a new HOF QB. So replacing MM was the logical next step after getting a new GM to upgrade the roster.

But that doesn’t change the fact that yes, AR needs to make better decisions. Hopefully at home and against as still very good but not quite as dominant Vikings D, we’ll see more of the offense we are hoping for.

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dblbogey's picture

September 08, 2019 at 02:19 pm

The Vor with a positive outlook? Things must be good.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:34 pm

That pass should be a very high percentage completion. AR has been lousy at throwing such passes for a couple of seasons now. A coach has to draw up plays that take advantage of what his players can do. A QB has to take into consideration his own strengths when calling an audible.

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DragonSilk's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:34 am

I guess I missed something. What are you baffled about?

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Daren726's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:49 am

It wasn’t even close to holding. That’s what you missed. There was nothing to call.

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PackfanNY's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:05 am

What exactly, would a defensive lineman be holding an offensive lineman for? Besides the fact he wasn’t holding. If that’s holding then everything is holding.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:42 am

They hold to keep the OL off of the linebackers. That call was BS, but maybe they got the jersey number wrong and it was another guy out of the frame.

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Rak47's picture

September 09, 2019 at 11:30 am

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ShooterMcGee's picture

September 08, 2019 at 06:59 am

I love following the draft and admit to being disappointed when we traded 3 picks to move up for Savage. Essentially we gave up 2 4th rounders which as I watched preseason could have been Mack Wilson and Armani Hooker. Well then I see him play and he is all over the field. Wish he could have held onto that interception. Gutey struck gold with this young man and if Gary and Jenkins become contributors our future is bright.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:24 am

Gary had 6 snaps. One solo pressure that causes Mitch to throw early and off Target. The other times he was making the o lineman's life pretty difficult... I see Gary as pretty good for a rookie

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Daren726's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:38 am

He’ll get there. May take a little more time than everyone hoped. I think he’ll be a major force by the end of the season. A legit back up. Look for him to really make it happen next year

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:26 am

Early on, he won’t carry the assault like a Z Smith, but if he can be added into the mix to do no more than he did on those snaps as the season develops, he should magnify the effectiveness of the Smiths, Clark and others as well as help keep them fresh.

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carlos's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:11 pm

Gary has some great mentors to learn from. A lot of upside.

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Lare's picture

September 08, 2019 at 11:22 am

Like most rookies, Gary needs an offseason in the weight room. The NFL game is a lot different than the college game.

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Since'61's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:20 pm

Plus he came out as a junior. He will be slowly worked in this season and by next season or the season after he will evolve into a force to be reckoned with as Clark has become. Thanks, Since ‘61

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carlos's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:13 pm

The weight room will only help him as he develops some moves. Great attitude. He has a lot to learn, but the pro game isn’t too big for him. Can’t wait for his first sack. Go Pack.

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September 08, 2019 at 09:58 am

What I liked about Gary is he drove right into the QB without doing stutter steps like he was in pre-season. At this level, wasting those fractions of seconds trying to fake someone out doesn't work very often. I would guess he takes to training as those six plays there wasn't any stutter steps.

With proper training he has a great chance to be very good. We are very fortunate, with the two Smith's we can bring him along slowly vs throwing him into the fire. In the later scenario, if he didn't excel right away, it would risk damaging his confidence. By only bringing him into game situations where his current strengths can be utilized will help build confidence. It will be exciting to see how he develops

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Tundraboy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 02:53 pm

And to learn from example right in front of him from a seasoned Pro.

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Nick Perry's picture

September 08, 2019 at 06:40 pm

Just as great we now have Linebackers Coaches who are actually worth a damn for the first time since Kevin Greene left.

We all have to keep in mind it's a new position for Gary and there's MUCH to learn. He'll get there because he DOES have the coaching and athleticism to get there.

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September 08, 2019 at 09:16 pm

Watching Patriots now. Oh my. They will be in the Super Bowl AGAIN. Dang. I’m not even going to mention the “idiots” name. Ugh.

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September 09, 2019 at 03:26 pm

YOU ARE NOT KIDDING, murff!

Amazing too, that he gets to learn from the Smith Bros. Both were complete wrecking crews against the Bears. WOW. Beautiful to see. Gary, learning all the ropes from them will be a godsend, and should make him a far better player. Gary is a sponge for that too, so, I expect we see results, really good results, before too long.

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:22 pm

Two stints of 3 plays each. Resulted in 2 QB hurries. Solid.

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September 08, 2019 at 08:34 am

Both 4ths should have been traded! Giving up both for Savage, was a head scratcher. (Point value No). Savage was rising. But Nobody considered the safeties first rounders. (Savage was from what I've seen now. ) He looks like the packers best pick, per NEED. But I wouldn't compare the picks to Hooker or Wilson. Wilson was a 5th and taken after KeKe. Hooker dropped too. Gute got his starter. Can't complain about that.

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Daren726's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:44 am

He had to give the picks to move up. The Ravens were going to take him. Two fourth round picks may have been a little much, but now that I see how we hit on him it was worth it.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:28 am

This refrain again? Thursday night suggests that it’s less credible now than it was in preseason.

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September 08, 2019 at 09:44 am

I admit to being absolutely wrong, and happily so.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:07 pm

That discussion was over on draft night. A steal, even with giving up two Bradford picks from the fourth rd.

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September 09, 2019 at 03:33 pm

I couldn't have been happier!!!! HOLY SHIT! The Packers drafted a perennial All-Pro using 2 picks from R4 to get him. No brainer. Mark it down.

Darnell Savage was the 1 player I wanted the Packers to draft. He is phenomenal. We will - FURTHER- realize his value to this team VERY soon. Doubters... just watch him. His play Thursday night was fantastic, and, just the start. 1st NFL game.

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September 08, 2019 at 07:18 am

DBAK may have looked human, but I shudder to think what an actual mortal (or Spriggs!) would have looked like game one vs Mack. Bulaga did a fine job as well.

Agree on the Jenkins sentiment. ML probably didn't want to throw a rookie into the caldron. Lane still will be nice to have for depth though.

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September 08, 2019 at 08:43 am

Had the same thought about probably not wanting to throw a rookie against The Bears D. Seems like Taylor has been slipping since his first year. If he keeps starting he'll be on a very short leash.

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JerseyAl's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:55 am

It was actually Floyd that gave him trouble, mostly with bull rushes where DBAK was caught while backpedaling.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:28 pm

Chicago played Bakh on his weakest suit. Can’t blame them. Still did a good job by most tackle’s standards. Bulaga had an excellent night I thought.

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September 08, 2019 at 12:14 pm

Looked like the Bears ran the same stunt scheme Fangio unloaded on them last year. Taylor, Lindsley and Turner were reactors, not actors and need to tighten up their gaps. The Bears have the bodies to pull off different schemes with Mack and Hicks getting most of the attention. Floyd getting into Bhaktiari's pads shows his improvement as a rusher. I like the DBL TE sets and get the FB involved in neutralizing the edge push.

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PatrickGB's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:09 am

Al, I always like your stuff and love this site. But even the announcers noticed that the only way to avoid Bak is for the opposite defense is to go around him. It was the interior rush that was successful. Bak looks at the snap so he gets the first step so, in response, the edge rusher loops inside. That’s not on Bak. Chicago figured that out and the have the players to pull that off. I think that with more reps in the newish scheme the offense will figure it out. It’s our interior line that was really struggling on Thursday. Both Bak and Bulaga did pretty good.

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JerseyAl's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:13 am

that's usually the case, but I re-watched the game last night and the handful of times DBAK did not look good were on bull rushes. He just got caught off-balance a few times. Like I wrote, he'll bounce back.

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September 08, 2019 at 09:36 am

The announcers made a point of Bahk raising his foot. And Why he does it. Very interesting point! If Taylor had done his job. He would have looked better.

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September 08, 2019 at 01:29 pm

That’s always been his weakest suit.

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:36 pm

For as poorly as every one of them would tell you that they played, they also had made incredible plays. It was a delicate balancing act going against the Bears Front 7, same one from last year, but more experienced.

Lane Taylor and Billy Turner had difficult nights. I believe they will bounce back, as will the rest of them this week v. MIN.

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4thand1's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:22 am

After the first quarter, I think the Pack was shell shocked, especially how the o-line was getting man handled. Here's were the McCarthy comparison is all wet, the Pack made adjustments to take the heat off. The offense has some issues to clean up no doubt. Savage will be the long awaited replacement of Nick Collins. Screw all the commentators and experts calling this a boring game, they want 45 to 38 games. I'll take every game like this if the Pack wins. GOPACKGO

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:14 am

What were those adjustments of which you speak? The TEs?

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:33 am

Williams use and value in pass protection showed up later in the game. The move to two TEs, one of whom being Lewis probably as well, though I have not focused on his blocking

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4thand1's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:52 am

Yes more blockers, short passes. They moved the ball pretty well after the 1st quarter. The bearsstillsuck didn't sustain a lot of time and long drives making their D play more.

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carlos's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:23 pm

Speaking of TE’s I think Tonyan could play a similar game as SanFrancisco’s Kittle. Both fast and good hands. Maybe turn him loose. GoPack.

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September 08, 2019 at 07:34 am

Signing Clark, should of been done before the first game. The longer they wait, The bigger the risk of outside interference. Treat him right. Sign him!

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PackfanNY's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:39 am

Thanks Jersey Al, good stuff. I too am very impressed with the secondary. I finally think the Packers have fixed the problem that goes all the way back to the Falcons playoff loss. I think they are going to be the source of several turnovers.

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September 08, 2019 at 08:22 am

And there is depth at the position!

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September 08, 2019 at 07:49 am

I think the penalty on Tramon for tackle out of bounds was questionable, he started the tackle in bounds and momentum carried them out. But it was ok when Rodgers got taken down from the head along the sidelines.

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PackfanNY's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:27 am

Totally agree on both plays. Talking heads Michaels and CC didn’t even question either call/non call.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:38 am

I agree. I struggle with tackles commenced inbounds. I think the problem was the throw down commenced out of bounds, if not much.

I would prefer the rule to be that a legitimate tackle that commences in bounds is legitimate even if the players go out of bounds in completion of the action. The point is not to hit after a player crosses the line and ceases to expect it. I believe the current law is the problem.

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murf7777's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:09 am

I totally agree and was saying the same thing. The only solace I got was 1st and 40!

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sam1's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:52 am

It seems in many aspects LaFluer is in over his head right now, will take a while for all the wrinkles to come out! He will adjust and be fine as a head coach! Huge learning curve! Seems Pettitne is the real coach right now!

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gmeyers1's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:19 am

When you're a little green, it's good to have an experienced second banan you can get some help from. So far they look like a good match.

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Daren726's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:29 am

Pettine has had two years and an influx of talent to make his system work. Lafleur has had an off-season and is still installing his offense. It won’t look polished until the halfway point of the season, and he may have to make some more player adjustments to be really good. I would say next year for the offense to really hit it’s stride. Remember last year Pettine’s defense had a good plan but was still average? Now he has the players he needs and the time in the system.

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sam1's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:21 pm

Really thumbs down to an obvious situation. Seems lot of people here don't know football!

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:32 pm

Probably for your first statement. Often it’s not what one says but how one says it.

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:42 pm

His team and scheme scored the most points, against one of the NFL's top defenses from 2018, yes?

Nice WIN Matt LaFleur & Co.

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MarkinMadison's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:08 am

I was thrilled when the Packers drafted Savage. Bob Sanders 2.0. Hopefully his career doesn't end the same way Sanders' did. Knocking on wood. Loudly.

The secondary overall is much improved but I think they can get better.

The Packers didn't completely die when Turbisky scrambled up the middle, but that is another area where I think more work could be done.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:40 am

They did not allow him to repeat that. I tend to think that shows that they successfully closed that door since it’s his natural game.

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GVPacker's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:53 am

No such thing as an ugly win on the road against a division opponent. Considering A Rod had no preseason reps it was no surprise he was rusty especially against Mr Mack and company. I don't understand Matt Nagy's reasoning for Mitch T's preseason sabbatical, he's still relatively new and his constant propensity to make bad decisions like throwing into double and triple coverage needs to be addressed. But hey I'm not complaining! I think the Packers, Lions and Vikes dodged a bullet when Bears GM Ryan Paced selected Mitch T over Patrick Mahomes, can you imagine the Bears with him and that defense!

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MWendlandt's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:26 pm

The Mahomes point is one that a lot of people go to, but it's still a prime "what if" scenario that has a ton of variables. If Chicago drafts Mahomes, do they start him right away instead of letting him learn for a year like Reid did with him? If he succeeds early, do they keep John Fox as coach and not hire Nagy? The best thing that happened to Mahomes was sitting behind a vet like Alex Smith and a coach like Andy Reid for a season to learn how to be a pro quarterback. I don't think he would've gotten that chance in Chicago.

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supergbp's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:50 am

Defense played good, although I thought they gave up some big passing plays. One time they only rushed three. They'll have to be careful with that in the future. Tramon plays a little of Woodson and Mathews in him. Savage is fast as hell. Brown could have played a little better. Some missed tackles on defense. Love the pass rush. I agree about Lane Taylor, he got blown up on a pass rush and was slow to get to another block a couple of times. Billy Turner didn't have the best game. Graham missed a key block.
Vikings will be another tough defense.

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Since'61's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:24 pm

They did give up a few passing plays but very few yards after the catch. In previous seasons our defense was killed by missing tackles and turning 10-15 yard completions into 25-30 yards gains. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Bure9620's picture

September 09, 2019 at 01:06 am

It was Quarters, you only rush 3 in Quarters coverage

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:50 pm

Pretty much everybody missed a key block after seeing it again. Regardless, I suspect our entire team will look better v. MIN.

A lot of coaching to be absorbed this week, and I'm looking forward to seeing what they do - the entire team: Players and Coaching Staff.

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fthisJack's picture

September 08, 2019 at 08:51 am

Jeff Janis wouldn't have made a difference in this game when the punts averaged 47 yards. i thought the punt coverage was great compared to what we have had for the last 7 years under Zook and whats his face.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:42 am

Lazard is supposedly a comparable gunner. If that’s true, it lends support to the above.

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blacke00's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:05 am

Would some of you guys please stop the bitching about McCarthy! He had a very successful run in Green Bay. His time was over, he didn't adapt. He did win a Super Bowl! Many winning seasons. Rodgers doesn't win all by himself he needs a supportive team around him and McCarthy did just that. Appreciate what he did and STFU!
I'm tried of hearing about him...move on for Christ sake!

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murf7777's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:13 am

Amen.....I don't like it when people keep ripp'in on him. What purpose does it serve? Move on.

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albert999's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:46 am

U just talked about him
Hahahahahahaha

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PackfanNY's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:10 am

Honestly, I came back here to read comments because I can’t take the non-stop Antonio Brown nonsense. Just sayin.

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albert999's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:49 am

I agree and the nfl network and morning shows can’t talk about anything but the cowboys and the browns and AB
The hype to the 100th season first game of Packers and Bears was a joke and haven’t said much of anything since the game
Bullshit coverage as usual
We need a real unbiased show

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Since'61's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:40 pm

This and other reasons are why I stopped watching them and ESPN about 20 years ago. Those shows are embarrassing to the league and provide no reliable information but just hype certain topics to get the ratings. Their all about ratings and almost nothing about football. Not mention they always seem like they are shouting. Thanks, Since ‘61

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PatrickGB's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:18 am

I thought that the gunners got down there in plenty of time. Of course long hang time helps. We don’t need Janis for that coverage anymore. Davis was a gunner and did ok. The run game started to click by the end of the game. I liked the use of Lewis as a pass catcher. I think it kinda surprised Chicago. I know it surprised me, in a good way.

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EdsLaces's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:21 am

As much as I love Savage, future all Pro is pretty strong lol.

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JerseyAl's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:38 pm

yes it is, and I rarely put out such hyperbole - but I really believe it.

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:55 pm

I have ZERO problem with it, Al. He's that good. Bunch of teams traded out after we stole him. Darnell Savage, what a player!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:40 am

I agree. That was no holding

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:45 am

I am no expert, but isn’t that holding actually technically an infraction, just one that has never been enforced and almost never called outside if extreme actions because it is ubiquitous: just a part of the game?

Why that would be called on the first play of a game is beyond me.

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Lare's picture

September 08, 2019 at 11:37 am

Refs playing up to the home crowd.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:44 am

Thank goodness for the new rule on being able to challenge pass interference calls, because that push in the back by T. Gabriel on J. Alexander would have been a HUGE play for the bears.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:50 am

Dumb rule. I don’t like shades of gray challenges. Technically that could be interpreted as PI under the rule, I am glad that the rule is not enforced that way!

That said, when is offensive PI egregious? When it’s obvious? If so the challenge is only there to make when the official totally blows a call for all to see? If that’s the standard, why not have 2 “the officials are blind” challenges that can be used on all types of call instead.

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murf7777's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:16 am

DM, I was wondering that because MFL challenged the one prior, if that didn't influence the refs to consider that an OI penalty. MFL challenge I thought was weak, but maybe it had a purpose.

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 03:58 pm

... there was a response by the officials, yes, but, the one against the Bears was blatant. The challenged play carried too much back and forth between the two, even though the Bears WR interfered with Alexander under the rules.

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GVPacker's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:45 am

Every time Scott punted I herd that noise from the TV show "The Six Million Dollar Man" Ya know that sound effect when Steve Austin jumped or ran! I'll be looking to see if Oscar Goldman is on the Packers sideline when they play the Queens next week!

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greengold's picture

September 09, 2019 at 04:00 pm

Solid. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na...She-she-she-she-wa....wa-wa...

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:46 am

Tony Brown did good. I know he got burned on a over the shoulder throw to Robinson, but no CB can stop that pass when perfectly thrown.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:51 am

He is improving. He is still young and inexperienced. He needs to focus on getting his head around as well as being tight to the receiver. I firmly believe that he is ascending

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real some guy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:07 am

yeah i agree on Brown. Good coverage on both of Robinson's long passes. guy just made a play. it happens.

Brown also tackled well and seemed to be disciplined overall.

Solid player. no complaints with his play.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:47 am

"LaFleur went with more two-TE sets"

I was surprised to not see them go 5 wide at all. Rodgers carved them up last season by spreading them and throwing fast. If I was playing the Bears I would want to force them into nickel to take 1 of their front 7 off the field and also force HaHa and Buster to cover.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:56 am

If we were behind and the O in sync, perhaps.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:57 am

I thought they did go five catchers at least at one point

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:36 pm

I could have missed it. But I don't think it was much.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:50 am

It was one game. I’d avoid drawing any hard and fast conclusions based on one game. An excellent start to the season, no doubt, but still just one game.

Last year, we had a shutout of Buffalo. One game.

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4thand1's picture

September 08, 2019 at 10:54 am

Man OS, you make a point then insert Buffalo, Buffalo of last year is not the bears.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 08, 2019 at 11:56 am

If you recall, Buffalo destroyed the Vikings the week before.

Point is you can look really good for one game then not so good the next.

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PeteK's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:17 pm

Especially the first game, where most upsets occur.

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Coldworld's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:37 pm

Buffalo came out and laid an egg that day, perhaps several. Teams can defeat themselves. The Bears did not do that, though a lot of their fans want to believe that. Buffalo did. After that game, I don’t recall anyone believing that the Packers D was radically improved.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 08, 2019 at 02:45 pm

The point is that it’s one game. Looking good in one game is not the same as looking good over the course of the season.

I actually recall a number of people singing praise to Pettines defense.

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PeteK's picture

September 08, 2019 at 11:15 am

The O line did not fair well, but the defenses are usually ahead of the offenses early in the season. Especially now that the offense starters don't play in preseason. Most importantly is there a better front than the Bears?

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Lare's picture

September 08, 2019 at 11:44 am

A win on the road against a division opponent is great. Coming out of it with no significant injuries (that I know of) is awesome.

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Oppy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:35 pm

Does anyone know where to find at least semi-accurate, full roster snap counts per game... that aren't behind a pay wall?

I can usually find them after the season is over, would love to find them during the season on a week to week basis.

Thanks in advance.

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dobber's picture

September 08, 2019 at 03:34 pm

The OTHER GBP fan/blog site usually has them. I won't mention them by name...

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JerseyAl's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:53 pm

Demovsky always has them on the ESPN Packers page: https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers

Or Foxsports: Wisconsin Packers page: https://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/green-bay-packers-snap-counts-...

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Oppy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:51 pm

Thanks Gentlemen,

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:52 pm

Football Outsiders is excellent and gives all of the nfl on a weekly basis plus STs. Nothing better.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

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Gort's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:37 pm

I too was impressed with the YAC that the Bears didn't get. The other guys get paid too and to limit the big play after the catch or losing contain on a run play is good to see.
With regards to clock management IMHO contributing factors might be: first game for the staff and a hostile location. Did not see them farting around at the LOS for 15 seconds too often. I think that the Bears had more delay penalties.
I still like the 2nd down pass play when trying to run out the clock. Packers were not running the ball well and everybody knew they would not call a pass. That call was gutsy.

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Oppy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:37 pm

Davis was downfield and in the face of the returner at least twice as a gunner that I recall.

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GVPacker's picture

September 08, 2019 at 12:58 pm

Would I be correct to presume the NFL will make the Packers Vs Queens a 4pm EST start with Troy and Joe Buck next Sunday?

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Gort's picture

September 08, 2019 at 02:12 pm

I don't think the start time will be changed. It is not marked with an asterisk for "Start time and broadcast are subject to change" on the Packers website. The broadcast team could be "those guys".
Trying to clean up my act - didn't call them
B_ _ _ _ and B_ _ _ _ _ _ _.

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GVPacker's picture

September 08, 2019 at 02:57 pm

"Those Guys" is a good substitute Gort" It's less nauseating LOL!

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Lare's picture

September 08, 2019 at 03:25 pm

I'd rather turn the sound off than listen to Buck and Aikman.

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GVPacker's picture

September 08, 2019 at 03:35 pm

I learned to do that while watching Monday Night Football with Howard Cosell in the early 70's! I then followed the play by play on a transistor radio.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:32 pm

And because this is still America, you have that right.

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flackcatcher's picture

September 08, 2019 at 03:48 pm

I don't think the networks can flex till the second half of the season. Might be some sort of restriction with start time build into their contract with the league.

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Since'61's picture

September 08, 2019 at 01:55 pm

I would agree that not all of the Packers problems were not on MM, but not all of them are on Rodgers either.

In the end a coach with as many seasons as MM had running the same offense should have been long past the communications/time out issues. Those issues should have been resolved in pre game preparations and much earlier in MMs tenure. He was the HC it’s on him.

As for MLF and AR in their first game together on the road in a noisy atmosphere, I actually think that they did OK. You never want to waste a timeout, I agree, however, in a tight game like Thursday, I would rather use a timeout to get a play call correct rather than make a mistake that could change the game in the Bears favor. Plus, it was one game, the first game, it should get better. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Lare's picture

September 08, 2019 at 03:23 pm

I think Rodgers is in the mindset of waiting until the last second so he can audible to the correct play based on the defensive formation. IMO, he just needs to run the play that's called by LaFleur.

Players play, coaches coach.

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GVPacker's picture

September 08, 2019 at 03:10 pm

Good Post Since '61 I think it was a combination of MM Ted T and some arrogance and frustration on A Rods part. Ted T Wiffed on some draft picks and his refusal to sign higher tier free agents were an issue. Mike McCarthy 's offense became stale and predictable and he made some questionable coaching hire's especially on Special Teams!. It's only one game into the season but I think Gute has the team moving in the right direction!

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JohnnyLogan's picture

September 08, 2019 at 05:47 pm

Gute has rebuilt the defense beautifully, but we're left with Adams and Jags for wide receivers. His first pick next draft is the best receiver available.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 08, 2019 at 09:20 pm

And isnt that what matters most.

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Demon's picture

September 09, 2019 at 12:04 pm

Agree with you GV. I would only add that MM didnt limit his questionable hires to just ST though. The majority of the staff were just guys.

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GatorJason's picture

September 08, 2019 at 07:58 pm

Academy award to Davante Adams for "limping" off the field prior to Trevor Davis running the one-man route for a crucial 28 yard catch and run. There is no way Adams could have run that route without double coverage. Conversely, the Bears did not give much attention to a cold backup player subbing for a "hobbled" Adams. Big mistake on their part. Davis is a polished receiver with speed and needs more reps. Allison and MVS are good but do not have the quick, elusiveness TD brings to the table. We need to see more of Trevor Davis.

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