Can Rodgers Really Return and All Is Forgiven and Forgotten?

Both sides will have to swallow pride to make this awkward situation work.

So Jeremy Fowler of ESPN is now reporting that there is a “slightly growing sense” around the NFL that Aaron Rodgers will play for the Packers this year.  Former Packer AJ Hawk, who spent a week socializing with the quarterback, says he feels Rodgers will be under center for Green Bay.  Even the redoubtable Adam Schefter is now saying any movement of the three-time MVP will likely be after this season. 

 

So let’s assume that QB12 reports to camp next week, or at some point.  What do you suppose the atmosphere will be like in that building?    Can Rodgers and the other players, and the coaches, and especially the front office, just pretend the drama of the past four months never happened?  Will they all immediately resume being one, big happy family? 

 

What’s the old expression....you can’t unring a bell.  While it’s true that Rodgers has never stated publicly that he wants out of Green Bay, or that he wants General Manager Brian Gutekunst fired, the fact that he hasn’t denied any of it is tantamount to confirmation.  He has let it fester out there to the embarrassment of the organization.   If he were to report and sit down for his first media session and say “It was really all a big misunderstanding”, would you believe it?  It’s gone too far for that.   

 

On paper, with Rodgers playing quarterback this season, the Packers have to be one of the Super Bowl favorites.  This team is loaded with talent.  If the defense can improve a few small steps, and if the injury bug is kind, Green Bay looks pretty dang hard to beat.  But they won’t be playing in a vacuum.  The media circus surrounding Rodgers will be unrelenting.   

 

I can picture every week Adam Schefter, or somebody like him, will be “breaking” a story about some incident or revelation regarding Rodgers’ relationship with teammates or the front office.  Trade rumors will be rampant.  Every time the quarterback has a bad game, or even a bad play, will he be accused of tanking deliberately in order to force a trade? 

 

As one might expect, so far the other players are one hundred percent in support of their signal caller, at least publicly.  Ditto for the coaches.  They just want to win, and Rodgers gives them the best chance to do that.  But one can’t help but wonder if everyone in the locker room will be walking on egg shells, terrified to do or say anything that will tick him off.  What happens the next time Matt LaFleur decides to kick a field goal on 4th down and Rodgers disagrees? 

 

Then, of course, there is the personnel aspect.  Rodgers told ESPN’s Kenny Mayne that “It’s just kind of about a philosophy and maybe forgetting that it is about the people that make the thing go. It’s about character, it’s about culture, it’s about doing things the right way.”   

 

Let’s not be coy.  That was a direct shot at the front office.  Rodgers was saying he wants to have a say in who gets cut and who doesn’t, in the very construction of the team.  We can debate if that is smart, but the reality is, he has demanded it.  Will the coaches and front office really consult him about their roster moves?  Or will they dismiss his input?  And if they do, what will his reaction be? 

 

Schefter did say something recently that does make sense.  He said that star quarterbacks around the league, including Rodgers, have “Brady envy”.  They see how management lets Tom Brady call the shots in Tampa Bay, and they want the same power.  I believe that’s true.   The question is, do you really want to relinquish even a small part of control over the make-up of the team, just to keep your star player happy?  After all, if it blows up in your face, you’re the one getting fired, not the quarterback. 

 

“I love my teammates, love the coaching staff, love the fan base in Green Bay” Rodgers told Mayne, adding that it’s been “an incredible sixteen years.”  It could be even more incredible if Rodgers and the front office handle this thing maturely and correctly.  Swallow their pride and work together to make 2021 a special season.  They’ve got the horses to do it.   

 

What a shame if personalities get in the way.  

 

 

 

 

     

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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Bearmeat's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:28 pm

This is the main problem that we are facing and the main problem that most believed we would be facing all the way back in April. This team is very talented but I do have significant concerns about it not gelling because Rodgers has pulled such a diva move. Your point about insider leaks throughout the season saying that QB one is upset about this or that is prescient. THIS WILL HAPPEN. That said, I think we will walk through the NFC North. I also think that we will bomb out in the playoffs, losing painfully to a team that we shouldn’t have, once again. This time, because the team never gelled. Then Rodgers will be traded sometime in March of 2022.

Yeah, Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst probably should’ve communicated better with their long-time signal-caller. But to suggest that QB1 has any reason for Tom Brady envy is absolutely ridiculous. HEY AROD - Get over yourself and understand that Brady has gotten extremely lucky over the years. TGR pointed it out below. Brady is great, but he's not GOAT. He's a lucky and a smart SOB. Point blank: If Rodgers wanted more ability to call the personnel shots, then he should have taken half the contract value that he has taken for over a decade: just like Brady has, so as to provide the front office with maximum flexibility.

QB1. Great quarterback. But I am so over this passive-aggressive, D bag.

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:42 am

The optics aren’t good and I agree that “communication” does seem more akin to a euphemism for not acting without approval. But given the almost total opacity, I conceded that’s just my impression: a subjective conclusion based on optics.

Until we know more that’s all any of us have, whether one believes Rodgers is a Diva or has and can do no wrong. We are just going to have to let this play out both in terms of whether he returns, and after that, what emerges. There is, sadly, no means to get this over other than wait for the parties to play this one out.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 19, 2021 at 11:21 am

What Brady has consistently enjoyed during his career is a solid D. And one of his best Ds was last year in Tampa. What specifically did Brady do to build that defense?

Rodgers has had a few good Ds, but mostly below average squads.

However Brady, unlike Rodgers, would find ways to win big games with sold D support behind him. Too many times in Rodgers big games, the D was not supportive, but detrimental. The one exception was the SB, where the D stepped up big and helped win the game vs a solid Steeler O.

I am hoping the 2021 D can be a difference maker to help win games vs not losing them. Winning cures a lot of ills. If Rodgers comes back and drops the "beautiful mystery" crap and code talking, and instead gets to work, the water can flow under the bridge.

A great season awaits.

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Bearmeat's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:38 pm

I am not a betting man. But if I were, and if there were prop bets on an O/U of 25 BS passive aggressive plots by ARod in pressers this year, I’d slam the over.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 19, 2021 at 09:58 pm

Yes. I don't foresee any problem at all. I think AR will report and play the season without any incident, and he will play at a high level.

I see no evidence that his teammates dislike him or aren't behind him. Even if they don't like him (I don't like everyone I work with), I don't see why that would affect anyone's quality of play.

I see no real evidence of excessive friction between AR and the coaches. So, ditto paragraph two.

When Sept. 12 rolls around, what does Murphy matter? Gute could still screw up the works by cutting all of AR's best friends but short of that Gute just does his job and things roll on.

Sometimes things look like a Reddit thread. [I was a min. wage worker at a grocery store where I was in charge of taking out the garbage and gathering shopping carts from the parking lot, and here's how I got the CEO of a national grocery chain fired.]

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NickPerry's picture

July 20, 2021 at 05:52 am

I'm totally over this dude too BM... BUT, I hope he comes back this year, HELPS this team which is pretty loaded with talent mind you, and then TRADE HIS ASS to Denver where he'll never again make it out of the Wildcard Round.

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ricky's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:38 am

Yes indeed, there will probably be a lot of "click bait" stories in the media about Rodgers and the Packers. That, indeed, Rodgers every on field action and off field comment will be analyzed for hidden meanings. Did that handshake between Murphy and Rodgers look genuine? What did that look on Rodgers face "really mean"? It's natural, and part of the new reality. The only question being, will sites like this be part of the problem, or part of the solution?

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croatpackfan's picture

July 19, 2021 at 10:58 am

This site will be always part of the solution. I strongly believe in this claim!

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JohnnyLogan's picture

July 19, 2021 at 12:48 pm

Why would sites like this be part of the problem or the solution? We are kids in the backseat while the parents argue in front.

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ricky's picture

July 19, 2021 at 05:04 pm

If they offer "click bait" articles like this, they are part of the problem they are condemning. I do realize it is the "dead time" with training camp still a ways away, and I expect the coverage to improve immensely once there are fresh stories and perspectives to offer. But to expand on my original post. I expect Rodgers teammates and coaches to all accept Rodgers back with open arms. He is the leader, and gives the team the best chance to succeed this year. The fans? We'll get over it- winning heals a lot of hurt feelings. And as far as being estranged from the front office, how much interaction does Rodgers have with Gutekunst or Murphy? When was the last time you talked with the president/CEO of your company, or even saw them hanging around?

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:47 am

If they win, the FO, coaches, and Rodgers himself may very well forgive and forget. For many fans, however, Rodgers will forever be a horse’s arse. Many still don’t feel the same way about Favre.

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Crankbait's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:48 am

Ummmm........
many do feel Favre was worse.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:08 pm

We could easily forget Murphy and LowBall. Gutedkunst covered his ass on the buying binge after big whiffs on Burks and Jackson and NO SB 4 U. Rodgers may decide to give it the full throttle Ferrari treatment and let the cards fall where they may. The true Fans know the Packertown story going back six decades. Do not chastise the the best players and drive your best coaches out of town. The mythology does not often jibe with reality.

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jurp's picture

July 20, 2021 at 06:34 pm

I know this is a day late, but Schefter is now reporting that Gutekunst offered AR a two-year contract extension that would've made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

AND AR TURNED IT DOWN.

Assuming that this is true, and there's no reason to doubt Schefter, then let's have no more of this "low-ball Gutekunst" or Cheap FO or Incompetent FO nonsense. This entire problem is on AR, not the team.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 20, 2021 at 12:42 am

Person's who send graphic pictures of themselves to a female reporter who didn't specifically ask for them can't come back from that with me.

I want to win, so I put up with the annual drama about whether Favre would retire. I even sympathized with him since he took a beating as a QB. When AR fell to 24, I was fine with selecting AR. I thought it was karma in regards to Favre.

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porupack's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:02 am

All of this is still overblown by anxious fans, those which can't deal with drama and ambiguity. Any personnel or company manager deals with this stuff all the time. To say the locker room should be a frat house, sloppy kiss buddies to "gel", or that reporter's questions after a game is going to be a "distraction"???? Jeez, come-on, this is totally silly. So guys can't digest the playbook, or forget their assignments because they're wondering if Rodgers is committed? Or they give less than 100 percent because he might tank the team? Rodgers made a play for change, and while he didn't do everything in the most congenial way, he didn't do anything particularly destructive either. I've said that I lost a lot of respect for Rodgers, and that still stands. But, neither is he a D-bag either. Said it all along, He'll play. They won't kiss and make up. It won't matter. They'll get to the NFCCG as professionals.

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Guam's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:10 am

Team chemistry is not a minor issue. The Packers may get to the NFCCG as professionals or they may implode due to poor team chemistry. People will be people and sometimes emotions get the better of common sense. I hope they will all be professionals, but that remains to be seen.

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Bearmeat's picture

July 19, 2021 at 10:46 am

Yes, I’m absolutely concerned about the vibe in the locker room. When your locker room leader is a toxic person, no good comes out of it. If ARod pulls an MJ last dance thing, it’s all good, but he hasn’t been able to do that for 10 years. Why would he be able to now?

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July 19, 2021 at 10:13 pm

The Packers aren't a band that has too many composers, too many members who want to sing the hits, or some members with giant egos who think they don't need the other members of the band. Players know that it is a team game. I could worry just as much about Aaron Jones getting annoyed that Dillon is getting all these snaps.

Well, now that I think about it, maybe they are (or were with MM and AR and then Murphy, Ball and MM fighting it out when TT was declining).

As The Packers Turn.

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July 19, 2021 at 07:02 am

The Packers are an organization just like any large corporation. There is a rank and file for a reason. And in the case with the Packers, Rodgers does not have the full insights or vision that the team executives have. Many corporations have ARod type of employees but they certainly are not calling the shots….the CEO’s and Senior Executives are. These great employees are asked for their input on certain things and Rodgers has been asked as well. Just not to his satisfaction. I honestly think that these athletes have been so coddled since grade school that they lose sight of reality. And it’s probably only going to get worse…

As for the season, I just can’t wait for the first game regardless of who is at QB.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:16 pm

Right, when you attain a middle management position, they will try to cut your legs out and send you on your merry way for less expensive "talent"

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Todd's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:27 pm

Exactly. Or you can't get hired because you are "overqualified", a euphemism for too old and experienced and they don't want to pay you.

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July 19, 2021 at 07:12 am

I've changed my mind about this issue a few times. I've resigned myself to the fact that if he shows up and plays with enthusiasm, Rodgers is the best QB. He's also in a position to move the team to the playoffs and beyond.

Having Love take over now would not be productive. The pressure on him would be like what Trubisky faced in Chicago and Darnold in New York. The media and know-it-all-fans would hound him every little misstep.

Bortles? Stop gap, though I think he should be around. A veteran is better than a rookie as a backup.

I won't boo Rodgers, but he really damaged what I thought about him. He proved once and for all he's a diva, but like the opera, you need great performers to put on a good show.

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:46 am

If he is proved to have been a diva in retrospect, that tends to only have the effect of shortening careers of performers. Teams will put up with a lot in true greatness but a suspicion of decline can end that tolerance like lightning, terminally.

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Turophile's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:13 am

You don't need forgive, you don't need to forget.

What you do is accept what is, and move on.

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PhantomII's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:22 am

I agree, if maximum effort to bring home the trophy is present and he is using ALL his weapons. We have a great team assembled. Let's go win it all.

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porupack's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:19 am

What happens the next time Matt LaFleur decides to kick a field goal on 4th down and Rodgers disagrees? Ask Taryn that question for what Rodgers should do and award yourself a nice grin at what football would look like. More like Rugby?

I do believe there comes a time when a very experienced quarterback should have more input. Depends whether the coaches have the required disposition and creativity to allow input, as the old style authoritarianism wouldn't work too well.

After 16 years and pre-dating LaFleur, Rodgers acquired enormous detail of all that happens on the field at angles coaches never have. To discount that intelligence is stupid. That doesn't mean to say he calls the shots nor ever go against the coaches/GM in the final decisions. Just sayin that a successful QB in today's game is very rare and unique, and GM/coaches can certainly figure out how to involve the QB input more without yielding control nor "turning the aslyum over to the inmates' (a nice metaphor often posted here). Seems Brady-Arians struck that good balance, and perhaps set a model. I'll bet Wilson, Mahomes will be heard more if they ask for a particular type of receiver style as a outlet, and even Burrow, Watson and Jackson if they press for particular Oline men with certain unique propensities (because they are seeing stuff in live fire from 2' away every play). Imagine a unit commander from his office not listening to the field guy in battle reporting the unfolding threat/weakness/strength and opportunity? How's that for my analogy?

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Matt Gonzales's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:58 am

Rodgers has tremendous control. He has supposedly worked extensively with MLF on the playbook to shape the offense being called on the field. The commander, to use your analogy, is letting the lead NCO help draw up the battle plan, and the NCO has tremendous latitude to adjust at the front as he sees fit. This shouldn't be discounted.

My worry is this will turn into 2018 again where there will be visible discord in the locker room that spills onto the field, and it will require statement cuts/trades for Gute to reassert his control over the roster.

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July 19, 2021 at 08:03 am

It certainly appeared last year that Brady has moved beyond input and into the realm of making decisions. Very similar to what some basketball players (L. James for example) have had in the NBA. It would also appear that Rodgers wants more than just input.

Yes, management should listen to very experienced employees and are idiots if they don't. However management is the designated decision maker and if the employees want to usurp that role, problems lie ahead. As the author pointed out, management relinquishes that role at their own peril despite the Brady/Arians example.

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:51 am

Brady came together with the Bucs on the basis of a mutual agreement that appears to have included a wish for, and perhaps a desire to receive such input. I see no problem in that if both parties were willing. But Brady, whom I can’t like personally, is seen as perhaps the most astute QB to play the game (he’s certainly not been the best physically). That makes hiring him last year a unique proposition and his role similarly so.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:10 am

Unique propositions set precedents and while Brady is currently unique for football, I suspect others like Rodgers and Wilson might covet that status. Time will tell how aggressively these other players will pursue that "uniqueness".

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 12:09 pm

Precedent requires someone else to see equivalence.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 19, 2021 at 04:01 pm

I agree with the “Brady Envy” theory. Why WOULDN’T a guy like Rodgers or Wilson want some control over who the guys around him are.?

If I owned a real high $$ restaurant, with a really good Head Chef, I’d try to keep him happy. But if he’s unhappy with how I do things, then I’d replace him as best as I could. I might have to change the menu, but I’d rather do that than have the restaurant’s success…..and my own….in the hands of Unhappy Guy. Even if he was a real pro and did his job well.

So I’d trade him, and that IS what will happen. Before the season, during the season, or after the season, he’s going to be traded. And personally, if I were the GM , I’d be very reluctant to allow an unhappy Rodgers on the team because there are just too many things that could go wrong.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:42 pm

False equivalency and I'll raise you a fallacy of composition.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:41 pm

Ok, explain the false equivalency. I think the analogy is valid.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:46 pm

erase....

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Matt Gonzales's picture

July 19, 2021 at 11:02 am

To extend the NBA analogy - neither team in the finals is one of the super teams where they brought in a big star to recruit players.

Tampa Bay was the rare team with a good young core, good coach, and lots of cap space, but it took years of losing often and drafting high to get there, and they'll fade back into obscurity after the inevitable cut and gut that will likely cost Ariens and possibly Licht their jobs.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:37 pm

True, Bill Russell was a player-coach as well as Cousy.

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croatpackfan's picture

July 19, 2021 at 11:10 am

Well porupack, if Mr. Rodgers wants to be GM or HC, I believe he should publicly express that wishes and retire as player. Than wait for someone to offer him either or both jobs and he can make decisions he wants to and be responsible for it, as well.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:03 pm

A common denominator between late career ascents and SB s for both Brady and Manning is Tom Moore. He is the Master and when the T-bucs ran a TE screen play with Gronk and destroyed the Packer defense on the critical third down play during the Covid NFCCH game, you know who called that play. Arians and a collection of Gurus are wise enough to keep the Fans at Bay and out of the loop.

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July 20, 2021 at 07:54 am

Porupak,
Good analogy!

However, there are multiple scenarios you are proposing and should you break each of them out and when you do you start to see the magnitude of the problem.

First, QB wants input in the draft. Second, wants input in FA, input on who plays, input on who makes the team, and input during the game. We wont even get into the pandora box here but what happens if you also have say a Barry Sanders at RB? What happens then? Throw in a Reggie White on defense? Talk about a colossal mess with contradictions and internal fighting for favoritism and control.

For simplicity, I am just going to focus about a QB having significant input during the game. First what is Rodgers personality like? We all know how he acts and the control he desires. We know he thinks he is smarter than the coaches. What might his delivery be like when making his proposal? What is the actual request, or the timing of the request? Any good coach or manager should always be open to suggestions from those reporting to them, however there are those who will make a suggestion and then back off and let the coach/manager make the decision and support whatever is decided on. You, I, and everyone in the stands know that is not Rodgers. You give Rodgers control and it will be "the insane running the asylum." During a game, or during a timeout there isnt time for a coach and a QB to be wrangling over what play should be run.

All this leads me to say trade Rodgers sorry ass NOW! Get some good players this year and some future draft picks. Sadly, some of you would sell your soul to the devil to even have a shot at another SB. Even if Rodgers is zeroed in and plays his heart out to win all season the odds of winning the SB is not great as there are so many uncontrollable factors even with having a talented team. By keeping Rodgers we waste another season of experience for Love.

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July 19, 2021 at 07:45 am

Forgive and forget what? Rodgers didnt do anything besides remain silent, which he has a right to do. The person we should not be forgiving and forgetting is Adam Schefter. Another liar, but thats what people like him are in the business of, and have been for a long, long time.

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:54 am

Rodgers isn’t showing up and directly he has made statements that deliberately make it clear he isn’t committed to and thus that it’s not a given that he plays. Whatever the reasons, even if one assumes (questionably) that he’s not played any role in media or friend comments, that is not nothing. To state otherwise is to be willfully blind.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:31 am

"Forgive and forget what? Rodgers didnt do anything besides remain silent, which he has a right to do."

true statement.

"The person we should not be forgiving and forgetting is Adam Schefter. Another liar...."

false statement. people like Schefter are true insiders. if he wrote lies, AR nor any other football player would ever let him interview them, on or off the record. players like AR are smart, they let the writers put stuff out. they want it out. just because you or I dont like what they say or write doesnt make him, or other members of the press, liars. now Im not saying there arent false statements put out there by the press...of course there are...but we cant just lump all press into the same boat. Schefter, etc., has been doing this a long time, and as I said, are true insiders with access to players that others dont. it keeps them in the good graces, and thus have access to, other star players, which keeps them on the top of their profession....

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July 20, 2021 at 06:43 pm

And Schefter is reporting today that AR turned down a two-year extension that would've made him the highest paid player in the league. I'd believe him over Mr. Beautiful Mystery any day.

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July 19, 2021 at 07:50 am

Rodgers is a Packer first. Respect that; and you won't need to Boo. Rodger's has a right to say what he wants. Regardless what the front office thinks. This still is a Free Country. The fact he's under Contract, is only an agreement. His personal life had nothing to do with it. And he can only lead if they let him. But the point he was making is; do they really want that? People don't complain or Quit, unless their felling used, or unappreciated. Which in this case is obvious. Rodger's is very competitive and is the best at what he does. IF were going to win the division. Rodger's must be the QB.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:35 am

stockholder. 100% agree. i may not like what, or how AR is conducting himself, but he is still the best at what he does, and i want him on the field as a Packer. this is business, not personal. we all want Super Bowls, so does AR....

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July 19, 2021 at 12:13 pm

Except it seems Rodgers wanted to be a Bronco, a 49er, a Raider, or a Ram next. That pushes the Packers way down from that first spot.

Hopefully he has had a change of heart knowing he is not going to be traded.

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July 19, 2021 at 12:48 pm

The Packers still said something to bring this about. After meeting with him 3 Times and Refusing to trade him. Makes me believe the Packers started all this. Especially after the beer ride in Bahks truck. He has reworked his contract in the past. He refused this time. So if you read between the Lines. He said Trade me.

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 01:14 pm

Maybe, maybe the saying was done by Rodgers though. We have no way of knowing.

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HarryHodag's picture

July 19, 2021 at 02:01 pm

Stockholder: Were the Packers wrong then to draft a QB in the first round in 2005 when they had a Hall of Famer on the roster?
It looks like a real shrewd move now.

Favre wasn't happy about it, but rather than pout he put his helmet on and played. It was Favre who mentioned he wanted to quit and they put Rodgers in. It was at that point that Favre started his infamous exhibition.

Rodgers, regardless of his seniority, is still a paid employee under contract.
He can make suggestions, but if he doesn't like it, well, too bad. He tried to force the issue thinking he had a Royal Flush in his hand when all he had was a pair of threes.

The Packers management did what management is supposed to do: look at the future and win games.

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July 19, 2021 at 06:20 pm

They weren't wrong to draft a QB. Because of the Thumb operation. The Drop of Rodgers, and the talk of retirement. Rodgers situation is completely different.

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July 19, 2021 at 06:53 pm

Love was a Value Pick. If Jefferson or Aiyuk were there at the time they would be in Green and Gold. Take the Q bullshit to the renaissance fair or some other extension of adolescent speculation.

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dekan51's picture

July 19, 2021 at 05:54 pm

Except it seems Rodgers wanted to be a Bronco, a 49er, a Raider, or a Ram next.

seems to? truth is, none of us really know what AR wants or doesnt want....

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fastmoving's picture

July 19, 2021 at 02:32 pm

Finally you get something right. Thanks god and the strong, smart american people, this is a free country again. We got saved with the biggest landslide victory of our history and it was a must win, like we all know.
AR was always a ME first, thats just the way he rolls. One way or another.....
But since everyone wants to go to the WH again, it would be huge to be there no matter who is QB

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July 19, 2021 at 06:57 pm

You seem to be hurting some seditionist's feelings.

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badaxed's picture

July 22, 2021 at 10:45 pm

"The fact he's under Contract, is only an agreement."
Apparently "contracts" are irrelevant to you. Only an agreement.? If agreements can be broken with impunity then " contracts " are not necessary then. What if the packers told Rodgers that they did not want to honor their "agreement" and not pay him for his services! I guess contracts " or "agreements" do matter for both parties. Rodgers signed his agreement to play. The fact he wishes to break his agreement breaches the contract he signed and he should be penalized fervently for this remission by the fans who in essence "pay" his contract indirectly by supporting him and the packers through monetary purchases.
Rodgers attitude and actions (or lack of) leave a bad taste in this fans mouth. I will no longer support this "Diva" and would like to remind him the "train has left the station" . if he misses the train there are " planes & automobiles" leaving Greenbay every day and he can be on one of them. Good riddance and good bye to "mr. I am the greatest of all time and everyone should bow down to me"

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July 22, 2021 at 10:45 pm

"The fact he's under Contract, is only an agreement."
Apparently "contracts" are irrelevant to you. Only an agreement.? If agreements can be broken with impunity then " contracts " are not necessary then. What if the packers told Rodgers that they did not want to honor their "agreement" and not pay him for his services! I guess contracts " or "agreements" do matter for both parties. Rodgers signed his agreement to play. The fact he wishes to break his agreement breaches the contract he signed and he should be penalized fervently for this remission by the fans who in essence "pay" his contract indirectly by supporting him and the packers through monetary purchases.
Rodgers attitude and actions (or lack of) leave a bad taste in this fans mouth. I will no longer support this "Diva" and would like to remind him the "train has left the station" . if he misses the train there are " planes & automobiles" leaving Greenbay every day and he can be on one of them. Good riddance and good bye to "mr. I am the greatest of all time and everyone should bow down to me"

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Packers0808's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:53 am

It bothers me a bit the freedom MCCarthy gave Bun Man and what did that get us a stale team and a man playing poorly just to get rid of the head coach. Wonder what the heck will happen if giving this power again by LaFluer and the Packers to Rodgers! Will we have the same out come again? I don't remember seeing this point put across any where on this thread? Or will the Packers and LaFluer not don this again looking at the past history of this kind of thing? Granted it was play calling at the line but it is an insight of what Rodgers is like.

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Packers0808's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:53 am

It bothers me a bit the freedom MCCarthy gave Bun Man and what did that get us a stale team and a man playing poorly just to get rid of the head coach. Wonder what the heck will happen if giving this power again by LaFluer and the Packers to Rodgers! Will we have the same out come again? I don't remember seeing this point put across any where on this thread? Or will the Packers and LaFluer not don this again looking at the past history of this kind of thing? Granted it was play calling at the line but it is an insight of what Rodgers is like.

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July 19, 2021 at 02:03 pm

Even with all the freedom it was AR who made waves to get rid of McCarthy.
I hold that against him more than the current stunt.

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July 19, 2021 at 07:01 pm

You can always move to Dallas.

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Since'61's picture

July 20, 2021 at 09:04 am

Still waiting for your creditable sources which verify what Rodgers said or did to get MM fired. However, I'm not holding my breath.

Also we have been much better with MLF the last 2 seasons than we were with MM after 2014. He was just going through he motions during his last few seasons in Green Bay. If Murphy were paying attention instead of building Packerworld MM should have been gone 2 years earlier. Thanks, Since '61

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July 19, 2021 at 07:56 am

It bothers me a bit the freedom MCCarthy gave Bun Man and what did that get us a stale team and a man playing poorly just to get rid of the head coach. Wonder what the heck will happen if giving this power again by LaFluer and the Packers to Rodgers! Will we have the same out come again? I don't remember seeing this point put across any where on this thread? Or will the Packers and LaFluer not don this again looking at the past history of this kind of thing? Granted it was play calling at the line but it is an insight of what Rodgers is like. Ooops don't know why triple posts only hit once!

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SanLobo's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:54 am

Between the 2019 and 2020 seasons, Rodgers, Hackett and LaFleur met and reviewed every offensive play of the 19 season. Together they rebuilt the offense, looking at the strengths and weaknesses of the last season, each contributing their perspective and experience to the 2020 offense. The result was the best offensive performance in the NFL. It would be hard for Rodgers to walk away from that experience and not think management would similarly benefit from at least listening to his thoughts on players. I (we) don’t actually know what Rodgers is asking of management, but if it is input into who the team cuts, that may not be unreasonable. Input is not decision authority, it is just adding perspective to the decision process.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 19, 2021 at 11:33 am

Jake from Whitewater veto power...seriously?

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Migas's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:06 am

The Packers should have traded him. When they drafted Love they should have considered this scenario as a possibility and planned for it. Everyone knows AR has a chip on his shoulder. Is Murphy so blind that even after the Favre turmoil, he could not see this issue was coming?

Murphy is old school and probably views QBs via a 30 year old lens. That needs to change whether AR is here or gone. Great QBs will be divas to some extent. Live with it or retire. AR's MVP season undermined the Packers plan and now they know their best chance to win in 2021 is with him.

By not trading him, you force a possibly disgruntled player at the most important position to play. How that pans out, nobody knows. I think AR is a professional and will play accordingly but if something happens that ticks him off, who knows? And the article is right that the Packers will be a media circus all season. Not good for the player or the organization.

These situations rarely end well and I expect this circus will linger until AR retires. Keeping him here after this mess was a choice but only winning a SB will make it a good one.

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HarryHodag's picture

July 19, 2021 at 02:04 pm

Salary cap. Never forget it. Trading him next year makes more sense.

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White92's picture

July 20, 2021 at 07:19 pm

Or you could fire the GM that pulled a historic blunder of burning 2 draft picks on a guy that was inactive an entire season while the team was 1 or 2 quality guys away from winning a SB. Just a thought.

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nostradanus's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:06 am

As the old saying goes “be careful what you wish for”

If Rodgers really wants Tom Brady status on this team:

Is he willing to take less money so the Packers can sign a few key players with a tight salary cap?
Put your money where your mouth is Aaron, how much do you really care about winning?

Does Rodgers really want the GM responsibility of making decisions on who stays and who goes? It’s easy to sit back and be pissed when one of your buddies get cut, how about when you cut a guy that then goes out and becomes an All Pro? Either way you piss guys off in the locker room and divide a team.

Does he want to go to another team at 38, learn a whole new system, a whole new locker room, new coaching staff and then still probably bow out early in the playoffs. His best chance to win is in Green Bay and he knows it!

Does he want to tarnish a legacy that we know is extremely important to him, Green Bay fans do not forget we take it quite personal.
Will we forgive? Yes, Eventually but we never forget.

There is a reason he hasn’t shown up at the Bucks Championship run, he knows he’s going to get his Ass booed!

It will be very interesting and telling how both the Packers FO and Rodgers handle this in the coming weeks. This is Packers history in the making boys,
get your popcorn ready!

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jont's picture

July 19, 2021 at 02:57 pm

"Is he willing to take less money so the Packers can sign a few key players with a tight salary cap?"

This prompted a wild thought.

We don't really know what the issue is between 12 and the FO. They say they offered a big contract and he refused.

Maybe what he wants is less money and more control? He's voiced disagreement with some GM decisions... he's part owner of a pro team already... he thinks he can make a difference...?

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July 19, 2021 at 03:29 pm

"Is he willing to take less money so the Packers can sign a few key players with a tight salary cap?" Fair question.

When has he done so? We know Bahktiari has and, to a smaller extent, so has Preston Smith. Rodgers hasn't put his money where his mouth is...at least, not to my knowledge.

I suspect Rodgers, Murphy and Gutekunst will all avoid each other as much as possible. That shouldn't be too difficult but it will not be impossible. Communication to Murphy and Gutekunst will likely go through the coaches.

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July 20, 2021 at 01:33 am

I don't think either Bakh or Preston Smith took less money than the market dictated. Bakh and Davante Adams both signed second contracts for what turned out to be less than they were worth, that seems true. But $23M is what Bakh was worth, if he was worth that much. We shall see what happens with Davante Adams.

Preston took less because GB would have cut him otherwise, IMO. He gets $8M this year, which is roughly what he might have gotten had the Packers cut him.

Aaron Jones signed for 2 years and $20M (something is going to happen to his contract in year three because he isn't going to play for GB with a $19.25M cap number in 2023 unless the cap goes wild. Jones possibly could have gotten more elsewhere.

Clark is playing for just $2.1M in cash this year. That's something he didn't have to do.

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 06:00 pm

If he’s worried about getting booed then he’s more sensitive or more concerned with his media image than many here think. Perhaps you are right. It’s very odd that he hasn’t been to watch in the finals. Perhaps Tuesday or perhaps the Bucks was PR from the start.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:12 pm

The patriots are still paying Brady his annuity.

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blacke00's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:12 am

Brady got (is getting) his way because he became a "free agent" after not resigning with NE. He then, based on his reputation is getting this so called "power". All the rest of the "elite" QBs in the league could do the same. No one made Rodgers sign that recent huge contract and put the Packers in salary cap hell (well maybe not hell). All the other guys can or could the same thing.

Your comment about "who gets fired" is exactly right. If things don't work out , Rodgers gets to just walk away with no skin off his nose.

He (Rodgers) has no real skin in the game. So what, if he doesn't win the SB, he still get paid and can always blame someone else. The FO is where the buck stops.

I would offer Rodgers a deal. You help call the shots and if it works out you get the credit. If not you give back half your salary and all your incentive pay for a at least one year. I'd be curious if he would take the deal.

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July 19, 2021 at 02:43 pm

You can't offer that kind of deal. Other than a roster bonus of a player that retires after the start of the league year, once you pay it, it's gone, and I doubt the CBA allows for NLTBE incentives based on another players' performance.

The closest you could get is a FLAT contract that has a significant roster bonus each year, where Rodgers understands that if he whiffed on a player, he's gone.

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Coldworld's picture

July 19, 2021 at 08:30 am

How can this question be answered? We don’t know what has been said and done. Without that it’s impossible to know how this will be viewed in hindsight.

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July 19, 2021 at 11:58 am

EXACTLY Coldworld.

We are seeing a multitude of people that assume something (that they have no proof of) and then criticise as if it were a fact.

While it is fun to express an opinion, they are usually filtered through a fans own prejudices and lead to unsafe conclusions. Too little is known, and too many fans are setting up unproven strawmen to knock down.

Who really knows the full details, apart from the front office and Rodgers himself - we sure as hell don't know the half of it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:15 pm

Are these Fans vaccinated ?

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July 19, 2021 at 09:36 am

Rodgers's FO problems should have been handled privately behind closed doors. He was the one with the problem and leaked it to the media. However, if he comes back and the team shows no signs of being negatively effected by this, it will be a fading memory for me.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:37 am

"Never has so much been made by so many of so little." Paraphrase of W. Churchill.

Assuming Rodgers shows up for TC he will work hard, play well and be professional as he always has.
As long as that is true who cares how he and the FO get along.

Virtually nothing has happened that we are aware of. However, what we do know is that Rodgers has not committed a crime, he hasn't been arrested for DUI, or for beating his girlfriend or for beating a child with a switch or any number of other crimes numerous NFL players have been guilty of. Imagine what this blog would be like if Rodgers went into rehab like Favre did prior to the 1996 SB season.

I'm a Packers fan first and I will root for the team regardless of who is playing and whether or not they have a harmonious relationship with the FO, especially if the team is winning. The Bronx Zoo Yankees had all kinds of battles with Steinbrenner but the fans loved them because they won on the field. The same is true for Rodgers and the Packers. Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance to win in 2021. In the absence. of committing an actual crime that's all that should matter to the fans. Thanks, Since '61

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July 19, 2021 at 09:52 am

'61, I was typing my comment and posted it after yours (I'm not a fast typist, lol) but you've said it better than I did. A whole lot of media speculation in an age of being paid for "clicks" doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. GPG.

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July 19, 2021 at 07:28 pm

ESPN has become worse than TMZ, SAD.

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Guam's picture

July 19, 2021 at 10:03 am

Respectfully have to disagree Since '61. Rodgers has not shown up for voluntary or mandatory OTAs this year unlike any other year. Rodgers has not denied any of the many media reports that described a disconnect between himself and the front office. The Packer FO has admitted to making several trips to California to talk with Rodgers with no change in the situation.

While we fans don't know much of what is happening, it is clear something is not right. As Coldworld said it so well - you have to be willfully blind not to acknowledge there is a problem. How that problem will impact the 2021 season is not yet clear. I would love it if it turned out to be a tempest in a teapot and did not impact the 2021 season a la the Bronx Zoo Yankees, but that remains to be seen. Rodgers might chose not to play or the dispute might spill over into team chemistry and wreck the season. All are still options for the 2021 season.

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Since'61's picture

July 19, 2021 at 10:37 am

Guam anything can happen, either for the better or the worse. But that's true for every season. If we ever get reliable information that this season goes bad because of Rodgers I'll be all over him for it.

My only point in my original post is that if Rodgers returns I expect him to be professional and play hard for the Packers as he has done for his entire career. That's all that matters. I agree there is a problem but as long as it doesn't spill onto the field it doesn't matter. No one seems to be worried about the impact of the FO upon the team's performance. yet if there is a problem there are 2 sides of the problem. Yet Rodgers gets all the heat.
The FO has also admitted that they (specifically Gute) could have done a better job communicating with Rodgers. Also from what has been reported by the media including this article Rodgers team mates are supporting him. If true that bodes well for team chemistry assuming that Rodgers returns.

I'm not surprised about Rodgers not commenting on the media reports. It would not be like him to air his personal issues in public or to get into a "he said, he said" with the media. All we can or should infer from Rodgers silence is silence in the absence of any reliable information or evidence of what's going on. I'm usually a believer in where there's smoke there is fire but sometimes where there is smoke there is just smoke, especially when the media and their ratings are concerned. Thanks, Since '61

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July 19, 2021 at 11:01 am

The fact that Rodgers chose not to show up for either voluntary or mandatory OTAs for the first time in his career clearly indicates there is some fire as well as lots of smoke. After OTAs it was no longer just the media - there is an issue.

If Rodgers chooses to play for the Packers this year, I do expect him to be professional. However the potential media circus surrounding the Packers could well be a serious distraction. Some folks handle that stuff well, some don't. I am less worried about Rodgers in that regard than I am about his teammates (age, experience, temperament). Team chemistry is a funny thing - some people handle chaos well, others not so much. This "issue" has just made the 2021 season harder than it needed to be. The Packers might overcome all and still win the Super Bowl, but this didn't make the goal any easier. And as a fan, that concerns me.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 20, 2021 at 02:01 am

Adams didn't show up either. Dump Adams!

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July 20, 2021 at 07:27 am

Would Adams have been a no show if Rodgers had been there? This issue is already spreading tentacles through the team.

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July 19, 2021 at 12:44 pm

Perfect, S61. I do believe a changed tone from you compared to a month ago, if I recall you weren't expecting Rodgers to play another snap. This isn't calling you out by any means, and respect the evolving thoughts.

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July 19, 2021 at 08:50 pm

Porupack I don’t remember posting that Rodgers would never take another snap in Green Bay but I did post a few times that if the Packers were going to trade Rodgers that they should get it done ASAP and move on.

I also posted that the Packers FO should not let this situation linger without a resolution whether that resolution was a trade or coming to an agreement with Rodgers.

Currently I believe that the time for a trade has passed at least until the end of the 2021 season. I also believe that Rodgers is too much of a competitor to sit out an entire season. Also Rodgers has friends on the team who he enjoys playing with and I don’t think he is ready to give up the comraderie of the locker room. He is also rejuvenated playing for MLF. For those reasons and to prove to the FO that he can still play at a high level I think Rodgers will show up and play.

Ultimately it’s his best move. It’s his best chance to win an SBand his best chance to prove to the FO that the Packers should keep him.

Love is going to get most of the preseason snaps either way.
Let’s assume Love looks good during the preseason. Then Rodgers plays great during the regular season and wins the SB. What happens? The Packers have showcased Love during the preseason and maybe during some regular season blowouts. Do they trade an SB QB or do they get offers for Love which they can’t refuse and keep Rodgers.
I’ve been watching sports too long not to realize that anything can happen. Be well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:22 pm

Nobody comes close to Billy Martin. The Fan in the Stands with a stuffed Seagull heckling Winfield during a NBC game of the week from County Stadium vs the Crew was hilarious. Winfield took it in stride until the brown shirts escorted the Fan from the left field bleachers. Everybody gave them the sieg heil salutation. Stay safe , brother.

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July 19, 2021 at 08:57 pm

Billy Martin was quite a character as a player and a manager. He fought with his players, the owner and even fans.
Ultimately he was his own worst enemy but he was a great manager during the game and he was one of the great minds of the game. Thanks, Since ‘61

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July 19, 2021 at 09:46 am

We don't even know how the FO and players feel NOW, so speculating on the locker room, et al, is useless. When a neighbor asked me at the beginning of (whatever this is) this, she asked me, "Who's going to leave: Gutey or Rodgers?" I just said, "Neither." I've tried to avoid all the click bait articles on this alleged problem because when all is said or done I root for the Packers regardless of who is the QB1. I was against the FO bringing Favre back for his big "Diva" half-time moment as I thought it gave the wrong message. I believe Rodgers learned two things from Favre: 1) Don't throw questionable interceptions and 2) The fans will forgive -anything- if they like your play on the field.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:25 am

How about if everyone says “ We understand, We are certainly at least partially at fault. We will make sure there is greater communication and appreciation for all involved. We are all sorry. We love ya. Hug, hug…hug”

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croatpackfan's picture

July 19, 2021 at 11:38 am

And Yeti stood up and went back to the mountain

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July 19, 2021 at 10:38 am

Players develop bonds with each other. They avoid getting into others players business. My guess is that they like and respect him as a teammate and player. Yet they also want to win. Winning helps them too. My guess is that they want #12 back and respond to questions about him with a positive take. But #12 is pissed about something and that doesn’t go away easy. He has made his point and the next step is up to him because the FO is not going to change.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:40 am

Schefter is a parasite.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:58 am

I think EXCITEMENT is the key word. I do expect Aaron to report and play this year, but we have a super team assembled, fully capable of going to the Super Bowl. I think the "Locker room" will welcome him with open arms which is key. Both Rodgers and the organization leaders will put on a good front with the media. After we start the season 2 wins with no losses, everyone will be excited and all in on the season.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:57 am

So many have called Rodgers names, cursed him, etc, etc, but all will be forgotten and forgiven, as has been for payers who have done worse, because of one belief that is etched in stone among fans, 'In The Name of Winning' you mostly don't care what a player has done, not done, said, not said. You will embrace them as long as they win. This is why you're the worst people in any scenario concerning a player, you cave to winning over the bad actions of the player.

How many will say at some point this season, Rodgers may be an ass, but the team is winning and as long as he helps the team win, I'm OK, or if GB makes it to the SB, " Sure glad we didn't trade him, and the FO has to fix this so he can stay in GB? You know you will, though some will deny, you will.

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July 19, 2021 at 01:09 pm

Rodgers is under contract. He either shows up or he doesn't and is fined based on the collective bargaining agreement in place. I don't hate Rodgers and certainly wouldn’t boo him. Shoot, I wouldn't have booed Favre when he returned as a Viking and kicked the Packers butts in 2009. I would not have been happy, but that's life. If you can’t say it to your mom then don’t say it at all. Some people have a hard time with that statement.

I remember a few years ago when the Packers signed Mosey Cade to help their floundering secondary and although he was a good player on the field, his off the field behavior is why the Packers were forced to cut him. https://lombardiave.com/2013/06/26/mossy-cade-the-most-sordid-of-all-pac...

There are indiscretions such as the Lofton and Chmura incidents listed in this story and then there are situations like the Mosey Cade incident. You can forgive anyone for anything (or at least we should), because we all make mistakes. Some of those mistakes are youthful in nature or lack of experience, but then there are others such as child or spouse abuse, assault etc., where you have to draw the line somewhere as they did and still do (the Packers). It’s probably why the Packers under Thompson didn’t sign Moss or Sherman (under Gute) for that matter. These guys are great on the field, but off the field they have had issues so to say we, (the fans or the organization) give players a free ride just to win is not accurate. Wolf took a chance on Risen and he helped the Packers win the Super Bowl during the 96-97 season. Favre and Rodgers are hyper competitive players who just want to win, and they believe based on their play they’ve earned a chip in the game ‘if you will’ for management to at least listen to them when making personnel decisions that will affect them the most. I believe the FO needs to get with the program and understand when you have two HOF QBs, you need to include their input or at least let them know ‘hey Brett, Moss said he ain’t coming to Green Bay that’s why we didn’t sign him,’ or Aaron, we drafted Love b/c he’s a talented kid like you were/are, but you are still our guy until 2023, and here’s the guaranteed money you wanted’ just to show Rodgers they are sincere.

Taking those actions could have easily stopped a lot of this. But what’s done is done. Rodgers is a professional and I’m sure he’ll act like that in the locker room, on the field and if he’s asked specifically about the FO he’ll deflect and talk about the upcoming team etc., just as the FO will say Rodgers is their guy.

Having said that, I fully expect that Rodgers will be traded in 2022 especially if Love shows he can play during training camp and the pre-season games. A sports reporter mentioned about a month ago that Rodgers staying away until one week prior to the Saints game would be a huge win for the Packers FO and Rodgers. The Packers FO would have a front row seat, (as would the media and fans) to see how Love plays on the field, while Rodgers doesn’t have to practice or play in any pre-season games, (another one of his frustrations).

I certainly want Rodgers at QB for the Packers during the 2021 season. And I wish they could work this out to keep him another couple of years, but maybe that’s not possible now. We’ll cross the bridge of keeping Rodgers or trading him in 2022 once 2021 is complete. Its pure speculation to try and read the tea leaves on anything prior to that date.

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jurp's picture

July 20, 2021 at 06:56 pm

I disagree that Rodgers is acting like a professional. Professionals honor their contracts.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 19, 2021 at 07:37 pm

Some of the Fans have shown their true colors and need to be expunged.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 20, 2021 at 08:07 am

Well said, Taryn!

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July 22, 2021 at 09:46 pm

I say dump the bum! trade him now for as much as the packers can get. I would rather lose with Love than win with an arrogant middle third leg like
Rodgers. He does not want to be here. trade him to Houston for 5 first-round draft picks.
I am sure he would not show up there either. then he can give back 35 million we can use to get players who want to be in green bay.

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July 19, 2021 at 11:06 am

Kind of dumb question. Obviously the players are leaning towards him coming back and thus have no animosity towards him. The Management will breathe a sigh of relief and say thanks to whomever it is they pray too. Jordan Love will kick his dog in the ass when he gets home and pour himself some scotch, and the fans will go wild and think he were going all the way.

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July 19, 2021 at 11:09 am

I just hope the marriage isnt braking the bank and giving him the biggest contract in football. This team needs real players, not a raft of free agents and crappy pass defenders other teams passed on for a good reason.

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July 19, 2021 at 11:59 am

Can the Packers win with Love...yes. Would they win more games with Rodgers...yes.

This is a talented roster with solid depth at most positions. Rodgers knows this. And it has been a quiet summer from both camps which is encouraging.

I envision Rodgers showing up for camp saying something like "what the Team and I talked about has been productive and it will remain between us. Now I am ready to go to work with my teammates."

Maybe he will even show up wearing a T shirt saying "I am Content".

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jurp's picture

July 20, 2021 at 06:57 pm

Dream on. He'll probably wear a T shirt that says "Here now. Still pissed off".

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July 19, 2021 at 12:27 pm

Rodgers has too much respect for his teammates, his coaches and the Packer Nation not to play his absolute best! The fact that Rodgers hasn't denied wanting out or possibly asking for Gutey's job, only indicates that he is taking a business stance and doesn't want to alienate the fans. His legacy is very important to him. Breaching the fans trust would irreparably damage his legacy in GB. By the same token he loves his teammates too much not to play his best. He would be telling his teammates to F Off (and he's more important than they are, right or not) by not playing his best.

Rodgers can certainly voice his thoughts on who is released and who stays. But under no circumstances should he be in the room when the decision is ultimately made. He has voiced his opinion on Jordy and even Kumerow. Unfortunately the FO and Rodgers have vastly different responsibilities. As a player Rodgers is only concerned about winning right now. 3 or 5 years from now are not even in his thought process. The FO on the other hand must consider the next 3-5 yrs. They have a responsibility to keep the teams on the winning side of the balance sheet (and yes there is a financial aspect in that responsibility).

In regards to Brady/TB envy... they are very disparate situations! TB was irrelevant for more than a decade, had a team mostly ready to win except couldn't find a QB to lead them (despite many tries). TB was desperate for a QB and for winning! They din't care who is calling the shots or why. The Packers on the other hand have been successful for about the past 30 yrs! They've had stability w/in the organization from top to bottom during that time and QB among the best in the league! TB has no stability outside of maybe ownership but that ownership seems to be inept. They change HC and GM's on a whim. They are completely lacking stability! If TB was smart they would copy the Packers model and draft a QB when they aren't desperate for one and give that QB the time and resources to succeed.

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July 19, 2021 at 12:40 pm

Very solid. Very well stated.

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July 19, 2021 at 12:57 pm

Gutey Kicked the can down the road. Not Rodgers. It's obvious he was to save the team and take a pay cut. Anybody with a Brain would be insulted by Guteys demands. If you can't pay your people. You'll Quit and go to some place that can.

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July 19, 2021 at 05:59 pm

What are you talking about? What demands has Gutey even made? Do you mean expecting Rodgers to live up to the contract he wanted and he signed? You damn right!!!

You just don't have a clue!!

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July 19, 2021 at 07:43 pm

That is the logical interpretation. Between low ball and Murphy, who gets the dale carnegie institute participation award ?

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July 21, 2021 at 08:41 am

" It's obvious he was to save the team and take a pay cut."

And this is stated literally on the same day that every news agency in the country is reporting that the Packers offered to make Rodgers the highest paid player in the league. smh

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July 19, 2021 at 06:43 pm

You wonder why Rodgers hasn't shown at a Bucks game, being part owner? Probably because there will be a great chorus of boos for him and he loves his legacy too much!

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July 19, 2021 at 03:02 pm

Here are a couple recent headlines:

Feb 25--
Could Fractured Relationship Between Russell Wilson, Seahawks Lead to Blockbuster QB Swap?
According to his agent, Wilson hasn't demanded a trade and wants to stay with the Seahawks. But if the organization believes the relationship is beyond repair and makes him available, the quarterback has four potential destinations in mind.

July 14--
Russell Wilson says relationship with Pete Carroll 'stronger than ever' after offseason trade rumors
Russell Wilson wants Seattle Seahawks fans to know everything is good between him and head coach Pete Carroll. Wilson said his relationship with Carroll is actually "stronger than ever."

In GB, this too shall pass.

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July 19, 2021 at 10:02 pm

The media LOVES this garbage. "Will he show up? Is he upset? Should the Packers promise him more money? Apologize? Personnel influence? The world??

Who effing cares. Rodgers is under contract for 3 years. The Packers won't trade him, they have his rights. Rodgers can't trade himself. He can choose not show up and deal with the financial ramifications laid out in his contract and the CBA. Pretty simple. The focus should be on preparing for the season and preparing to win games. Rodgers decides if he wants to be a part of that, move forward if he doesn't. So simple. Placating is over. Rodgers is coming out of this looking like a diva in the future.

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July 19, 2021 at 05:17 pm

This may sound weird, but I believe that the longer AR stays away, the better it is for the Pack. Let Love takes all the TC snaps (ok-save a few for Bortles). Let him play the whole of pre-season games 1 & 2. We need to know if this kid can play, and if Rodgers is in town, he won't get meaningful reps. THEN, AR can ride in like an old western hero and get loosened up playing ps game 3. Yippee-eye-o-kay-yay! We've got a real shot at a SB with a HOF starting QB AND a real backup QB. How's that sound, pardner?
The Szotman

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July 19, 2021 at 05:21 pm

This is like a divorce and staying together for an extra 6 months because the kid will be going to college then.

Truth is that wont work neither party is committed just going through the motions waiting for it to end with a fake smile.

Give me the thumbs down all yoi want homers but it is time to move on doesnt matter who is at fault .

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July 20, 2021 at 02:10 am

I'll have you know that I am not a homer, I am an AR apologist!

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July 19, 2021 at 11:15 pm

He’s coming back… and winning cures everything.!

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justjan's picture

July 20, 2021 at 08:39 am

"But one can’t help but wonder if everyone in the locker room will be walking on egg shells, terrified to do or say anything that will tick him off. " What a stupid comment. These are professional players and grown men. Your comment makes them sound like children.

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July 20, 2021 at 09:46 pm

The most disappointing aspect to the Rogers drama is that it is becoming clear that, despite what 12 says about fans, teammates and area, he is actually pissing on all of the above with these antics. He has found himself with only two cards to play in his bluff game and
those cards are not aces. It will be very hard for his ego to accept a return to play with his tail between his legs. More the shame is that
The Pack are going to field a damn good team and with Rogers could win it all.

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