Around the NFC North - Week 5

Sun Tzu said that to know your enemies, so Andrew Garda keeps you up to date with all the NFC North matchups for each week.

The Green Bay Packers return to action this week against the New York Giants, but the rest of the NFC North is still in action this week. The Minnesota Vikings continued to roll on, stomping the Giants 24-10 on Monday Night, while the Detroit Lions out-sucked the Chicago Bears in a 17-14 snoozefest.

What’s going on with the Packers’ divisional rivals this week?

Let’s take a look.

Minnesota Vikings

You won’t like to hear it, but this Vikings team is legit.

Mostly, it’s the defense, which is ranked as the third best overall according to Football Outsider’s DVOA metric, fourth against both the run and the pass. It brings relentless pressure and features a solid secondary. Both of which comes as no surprise to Packers fans, since it wasn’t that long ago they got a close look at them.

What might have escaped people’s notice is that this offense has begun to gain momentum as well. Sam Bradford is looking very comfortable in it, and as teams begin to tighten coverage on Stefon Diggs, offensive coordinator Norv Turner has begun to spread the ball around.

So while Kyle Rudolph is a big secondary target, we’ve begun to see targets go to Cordarrelle Patterson, Charles Johnson and running back Jerick McKinnon. As expected, this offense actually looks better without Adrian Peterson, whose shaky work in pass protection and receiving limited it.

With McKinnon and Matt Asiata featured, defenses can no longer key off of whether Peterson is on the field or not.

This week they take on the Houston Texans, a team FO rates as eighth best overall, fifth against the pass and a terrible thirtieth against the run. The Texans are allowing 125.2 yards on the ground per game, so we might see a lot of the Vikings backfield this week. Meanwhile, say a prayer for the wildly inconsistent Brock Osweiler as the Vikings defense is likely to crush him.

Prediction: Vikings 21, Texans 7

Chicago Bears

The Bears get billing over the Lions this week because somehow they looked less awful than the Lions did in their win. Brian Hoyer played well in both of the two games he has been in, albeit against a terrible Dallas secondary and a hopeless Detroit defense.

It seems like enough to have head coach John Fox hesitating to have Jay Cutler return. Anyone who watched Hoyer with the Texans last season—especially in that dumpster fire of a playoff game—knows you won’t get far with Hoyer as your guy, but that hasn’t stopped anyone from trying.

This week they run into the equally inadequate Indianapolis Colts, a team so bad it is almost hard to know if they can beat the awful Bears. After watching this franchise squander the best years of Peyton Manning, we now get to watch history repeat itself with Andrew Luck.

There is no offensive line. There is no defense.  It’s bad.

Fortunately for the Colts, things aren’t better in Chicago. The defense is mediocre on a good day, Alshon Jeffery and Kevin White are limited by their quarterback and the offensive line is just bad.

The Colts will likely end up winning this one because Andrew Luck, despite some struggles, is a good quarterback while Hoyer is aggressively mediocre.

Prediction: Colts 17, Bears 7

Detroit Lions

This is going to be brutal.

After watching the Lions struggle to get any offense going against a poor defense, the Lions get the Philadelphia Eagles. Next to the Seahawks, there is just about nobody you want to see less than the Eagles, though the Vikings are close.

Does anyone have any hope for this game? The Lions are barely using Golden Tate, Marvin Jones is doing most of the heavy lifting and is likely to see a lot of coverage on Sunday and the run game has been shaky.

Oh, and Matt Stafford looked horrific last week. After three weeks of very good work, he threw no touchdowns and two interceptions in one of the worst games I’ve ever seen him play.

Sure, throw all that up against the Eagles defense.

Meanwhile we get to see what Carson Wentz can do against the terrible Lions defense, which should make this game a snoozer really fast.

Prediction: Eagles  27, Lions 10

 

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Comments (28)

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mrtundra's picture

October 05, 2016 at 05:38 pm

I predict that J.J. Watt sacks Bradford 3x. It's time for Houston to show up and dominate on defense and for Osweiler to lead his offense to a victory. The NYGs were really banged up coming into the Terrarium. The NYG's fumbled punt and recovery by the vikings is typical of Minnesota football. Those breaks seemingly always go to the vikings. Manning was rattled all night and threw the ball at players feet several times to get out of trouble. Nothing was in sync for the NYG. Houston will hopefully be a different story.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 05, 2016 at 06:14 pm

JJ is done for the year MRT. Back needs surgery.

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rdent's picture

October 09, 2016 at 10:24 am

Yep,done for the year and I heard that it was the same thing from the last injury,may be serious enough for retirement

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Bearmeat's picture

October 05, 2016 at 06:16 pm

The Vikings are great on defense. They are NOT great on offense. They can't pass protect. They can't run the ball. They can't throw it to anyone except Diggs. Rudolph is a secondary target at best. Bradford can't run.

That defense has been turning people over at a historic pace. People seem to forget that the Seahawks were that good on D in 2013 and the Broncos in 2015 - but before that it was the Ravens in 2000.

It's just flat out not likely that the Vikings continue to play such dominant D - which sets up their TERRIBLE offense to be just good enough.

Bradford is a glass joe who isn't mobile. He's going to end up hurt behind that dumpster fire of an OL.

Green Bay still wins the division comfortably.

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Oppy's picture

October 05, 2016 at 06:30 pm

Comfortably? I don't have any reason to believe it won't be down to the wire at this point.

Keep in mind, we could be two games behind come sunday if things don't go well.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 05, 2016 at 07:57 pm

I'd say 2 games. I thought it would be 3-4 - but Bradford has been better than I expected.

They still are missing LARGE portions of a team. For instance, there's not 1 OL they have that I'd want starting for us. Also, I'd rather have our QB, RB, FB, X WR, Z WR. Only the slot (Y - Diggs) is better than Cobb right now - and I expect that to change quickly. Cobb will start performing.

On defense? Yeah - they're good. Especially if Waynes and Sendejo continue to impress. But our defense is no slouch either. Randall will figure it out and Shields/Burnett will be back.

I'm confident the good guys will finish on top.

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EdsLaces's picture

October 05, 2016 at 07:07 pm

Sorry Bear....but you're wrong bro. Rudolph looked pretty good Monday as did the run game. We will be lucky to be on top of the division by years end ...very lucky...

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Bearmeat's picture

October 05, 2016 at 07:54 pm

How so? Look at their offensive rankings EL. Cliffs Notes version: It's awful.

You can't keep turning other teams over at the rate they have been. It's just statistically very unlikely.

I expect the Vikings to fall back to earth - and soon. Sooner than soon if/when Bradford gets hurt - which I expect to happen.

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Bohj's picture

October 05, 2016 at 09:07 pm

Let's hope this mirrors the 2010 season:
1) Lost to the other playoff bound team in our division at their house (Bears/Vikes) ....check
2) Lost our athletic and tall tight end early in the season (Finley/Cook)...check
3) Packers will be scrutinized for losing to three winning teams during the season and be called "paper tigers".... check 1 so far
4) Just the right blend of veterans and youth..check
5) We will beat other playoff bound team late in the season at Lambeau (Bears/Vikes) but still get the wildcard
6) Savvy defensive veteran makes playoff speech (Woodson/Peppers)
7) Defense wins the game three times in the playoffs (Eagles/Bears/Pittsburgh ..Eagles?/Vikes?/Pitt)
8) Superbowl Ring

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dobber's picture

October 06, 2016 at 08:47 am

They aren't going to go undefeated, but they do have a dominant defense. One elite unit in today's NFL makes you a SB contender. In the end, the Vikings are limited on offense, so if they have an undoing, that will be it. One key is that they don't shoot themselves in the foot by turning the ball over...they will turn the ball over eventually, and when they do, I don't know that they'll have the wherewithal to overcome that. They, as a team, are looking like the Trent Dilfer-led Ravens of the early 2000s.

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rdent's picture

October 06, 2016 at 07:42 am

You are looking through green and gold glasses, the days of the Packers waltzing to the NFC north championship are gone,another team got better in that division

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Bearmeat's picture

October 06, 2016 at 08:35 am

Really? How so?

Elite QBs don't lose division titles often, unless it's to another elite QB. As a matter of fact, the only examples in the past 15 years which I can think of off the top of my head is Luck and Brees the last couple of years, and that's only because the NO and IND front offices are a dumpster fire on top of a heap of dung. TT's guys make mistakes, like everyone does, but they are at the very least, competent.

If ARod is the guy from 2015, the Vikes win the division, but If ARod throws for 4,000 yards, 35 TDs and under 10 INTs by the end of the year (like he was from 2009-2014 btw), GB wins the division. End of story.

Since ARod is by no means "old", my money is on the latter. You are welcome for the history lesson btw.

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rdent's picture

October 07, 2016 at 06:33 am

You impress only yourself,also you are a blithering idiot,you throw out a bunch of worthless stats and a couple of ifs and think you gave a " history lesson" I know it may be difficult for you but try to be comprehensive

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Bearmeat's picture

October 07, 2016 at 11:09 am

lol. Ok Vikings fan. By the way, liking your own posts is something a 10 year old does.

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rdent's picture

October 09, 2016 at 10:28 am

Bear meat ,you seem pretty full of yourself but your also full of sh*t

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rdent's picture

October 09, 2016 at 10:32 am

Not a Viking's fan,just realistic,try it sometime

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barutanseijin's picture

October 09, 2016 at 08:11 am

Thanks for the history lesson, but you forgot a few lessons. You skipped the 1997- 2006 chapters, where a HoF QB got sloppy and wasted a ton of talent, the coaches let him be a prima donna & the Packers always seemed to lose the big games.

Those chapters seem relevant today. Rodgers was once the best QB in the business. These days he's only been the best QB on the field once in the past year, vs Detroit last week. GOAT doesn't mean anything; the games are played in the here and now. Tough game for 12 vs Eli. Given their records, I'll take Eli over Rodgers in the tough game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 07, 2016 at 07:13 am

I tend to agree with you.

While Vikings defense has been good, they haven't played good offenses yet either. Packers were trying to find themselves, Panthers haven't been the same as last year yet, and Giants are the Giants.

The Vikings offense has been sufficient. But they won't blow anyone out. They have been a mistake free offense. What will happen when they make mistakes? They won't be able to be mistake free all season long.

While this defense has been good, they are not Denvers defense of last year.

Vikings may win the division, but I would still put my money on Green Bay.

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Oppy's picture

October 05, 2016 at 06:31 pm

Random thought, it makes me very sad that Packers Transplants is no longer.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 05, 2016 at 07:53 pm

Nagler can't be a fan if he's a professional journalist. I get that he's doing what he's always wanted to do, but it makes me sad too.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 06, 2016 at 08:51 am

Really missing them too. Need me some good bad and ugly. And Aunt Gert.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

October 05, 2016 at 10:36 pm

Nothing's changed. The Vikings are a real threat and the other two are just here filling out the 4-team Division.

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sheppercheeser's picture

October 06, 2016 at 06:20 am

Can't get over all the negative comments about the Vikes. Hey, they are undefeated- nobody else can say that in our division. Let's give credit where credit is due- Minnesota doesn't have an offense? Well, either does GB right now and I'm a GB fan! And yes, I hope that when I go to the game on Dec. 24th, I'll witness a Packer victory and that it'll be a meaningful game.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 06, 2016 at 08:34 am

Green Bay has the personnel to have an offense. They have the history of doing so, and the starting unit is still quite young. Minnesota has neither. Ergo, it is reasonable to assume that Green Bay's offense will (continue to) rebound, while Minnesota's will not.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 06, 2016 at 08:53 am

Hope you're right BM. I can't wait for the world to make sense again.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 07, 2016 at 11:12 am

Lots of Vikings fans traveling over to our green and gold portion of the internet.

SUP QUEENS FANS??

What we really want to know from you is how it feels to be a fan of a team that wears purple, is 0-4 in title games and has only won 1 playoff game in the past 18 years.

Have a nice day. Hope you enjoyed the pee I just dumped in your cheerios. :D

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barutanseijin's picture

October 09, 2016 at 08:23 am

I remember when you were down on the Packers Bearmeat. We weren't calling you BearFan. Not everyone here is a homer. In fact, you're not even a homer consistently.

And if you want a pissing match in a cereal bowl, well how about Rodgers now = Shermie years Favre. Rodgers better than Bradford? He wasn't when they head to head. In fact, he was downright terrible.

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rdent's picture

October 09, 2016 at 10:35 am

That shut him up! Thank you

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