Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Riding the Waves

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Have you been riding the wave of Rodgers speculation? Me, I've just been hanging out on the beach with a beer and a book and watching the surfers. When the season ceremoniously ended, the Twitterati and radio/TV talking heads were telling us Rodgers would retire. After some LaFleur and Gutenkunst press conferences, that quickly changed to "the Packers are going to run it back."  A couple of Aaron Rodgers interviews on the Pat McAfee show brought out the ilk of Florio, Shefter, and Rapoport, all telling us how their "sources" tell them that the Packers trading Rodgers is very much a possibility. This is the high drama that social media denizens and the NFL love as much as I love pizza. (good pizza, from NJ-NY-CT, not what most of the country passes off as pizza... sorry). I said this last offseason and it's only gotten more lucrative - Aaron Rodgers is a media industry onto itself. When your timeline includes articles from websites in India regurgitating Aaron Rodgers "news," you know it's a fact. Sooooooo many people are making money off of Aaron Rodgers.

Just Compensation - Over the Cap is projecting the Packers to be awarded three compensatory draft picks in 2023. The bad news is the picks are only a fifth-rounder and two seventh-rounders. The good news is, they aren't getting any third-round picks. Ba-dum-tssshhh!  I'll be here all week.

Mr. Invisible - Speaking of third-round picks, the Packers' Sean Rhyan was the only player drafted in the third round last year that didn't play a single offensive or defensive snap in the 2022 season. While I saw him only as a guard in the NFL, he was All-Pac-12 as a left tackle who only allowed two sacks on 1160 snaps over two seasons at UCLA, which included going up against the likes of Kayvon Thibodeaux. At one point, Stenovich said something like he was a kid learning what it takes to be a professional, so I'm thinking it might be a mindset, work ethic, or playbook studying issue. And then he gets suspended six games for PEDs. He would have been eligible to return if the Packers had made the playoffs, but we know how that ended up playing out. Regardless, let's hope he's not just another Packers' third-round pick that doesn't pan out.

Pat MacAfee - Honestly, I don't like his show very much. After giving it a few look-sees early on, the only reason I've tuned in even for a few minutes was the lure of Aaron Rodgers news. But since last year. I've tuned it out. I realized this morning it's become a bit of a problem for this column. Whatever Rodgers "reveals" on the McAfee show Tuesday is all anyone wants to comment on Wednesday morning. There were 159 comments on last week's Polluted mindset and it took until around comment 130 before a few non-Rodgers topics were broached.

So, I'm going to expand on a couple of topics I hit last week in hopes of eliciting some of your comments.

Jerry Gray - Last week I wrote, "...I'm kind of torn on Jerry Gray. On the one hand, the defensive backs, almost to a man, under-performed or regressed this season. However, from his interview demeanor, where he would refer any scheme-related questions to Joe Barry, I got the impression he wasn't on board with how things were being done..."  Fast-forward to this week, and we have a Rob Demovsky report that Jerry Gray does not currently have a contract with the Packers for 2023. He is basically a free agent who can go anywhere without compensation from the other team to the Packers. He could also return to the Packers. I'm left to wonder, however, why is he in this situation? Do the Packers not want to bring him back? Do they want to but haven't been able to agree on contract terms? Or is Gray just not interested in returning? I'm leaning toward the third scenario, as I can't get the memory out of my head of him during a presser tersely referring any scheme-related questions to Joe Barry. Specifically, he wouldn't address why the Packers were playing so much soft coverage at the time. His uncomfortable look telegraphed that there was a lot he'd like to say about the topic, but couldn't.

Bisaccia - I touched on special teams last week and their improvement over the 2021 season, in which they finished dead last in the league in Rich Gosselin's annual special teams ratings. Well, his 2022 ratings just came out and the Packers improved from 32nd to 22nd in his rankings. It would have been higher, if not for the NFL-worse four blocked kicks the Packers allowed. Well, at least Bisaccia has an area of emphasis for next season (assuming he's back and doesn't get a head coaching job). 

Go Pack!

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 25, 2023 at 06:16 am

Jerry Gray has been a Defensive Coordinator for two different teams, once for I guess 4 seasons and for 5 with MN. He probably wants the giant pay raise associated with jumping from being a defensive backs coach to being a DC. And it looks like Barry is going no where. [I mean, it looks like he is going no where if he stays as DC in Green Bay or if he leaves.]

It is interesting that he is no longer under contract. I am not sure what he profitably could say about the performance of his players, but maybe he blamed Barry in his heart.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:58 am

Just a guess, but with the general traits of LaFleur with respect to retaining coaches and Grays’ demeanor, it could well be that he wants out as he’s not happy with being overlooked or with the Barry approach, or both. Certainly I suspect at least some of the latter.

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January 25, 2023 at 11:55 am

He played the Game. He ran a couple defenses. Why would he want to be subordinate to a fraud?

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January 25, 2023 at 06:32 am

Jerry Gray...Many were quick to point to Gray when the secondary struggled or played 10 yards off on 3rd and 7 or any of the other issues people had. Gray ISN'T the DC so I never really understood the issues. I also remember the ONE game Joe Barry had to miss against Arizona in 2021, a game the Cardinals were 7-0 going into the game. Gray was the play caller that week and that was the week Rasul Douglas picked off Murry in the endzone to end the game. It was Barry who designed the game plan but it was Gray who called the plays. I'd like to go back and watch that game. I'll bet there were hardly any 10 yards off on 3rd and 7 called the whole game if any.

Pat MacAfee... I haven't listened to the show from yesterday and I don't know if I want to. After listening to a Packers Podcast yesterday morning called "Locked on Packers" it was Peters (The Host) idea Rodgers WOULD be traded based on ALL the people reporting a trade was likely. After that podcast I was HAPPY. The idea was in my head Rodgers would be traded and the Packers would have some additional draft picks AND they'd be making a huge step towards getting OUT of salary cap hell. OBVIOUSLY it's just an opinion but just the THOUGHT of that idea was awesome. I know what I want for my Birthday now in February...

I'm hoping Rhyan is like TJ Lang. It took Lang like 3 years to start to show his potential. Rhyan cam from Chip Kelly's scheme in College, a scheme and HC who isn't known for his O-Linemen. Lets give him time and hope he leaves those PEDs alone.

GOPACK GO!

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:01 am

I wonder if part of the reason why Rhyan was invisible was that the team became aware that a suspension was probable. Without knowing a lot more, whether he is and should be part of the plan for next year is a genuine question. At this point I’m treating him as a wasted pick.

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January 25, 2023 at 11:19 am

Rhyan can take all the PEDs he wants as long as he uses better masking agents like the other guys. Only way you fail a PED test is by being an idiot or pissing someone off who is high up in the power structure.

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packerbackerjim's picture

January 25, 2023 at 06:53 am

MLF: “Anticipates” no coaching changes.
Jerry Gray, side eye to Barry: WTF.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 06:58 am

"Me, I've just been hanging out on the beach with a beer and a book and watching the surfers."

Well, it is obvious for long time that you are clever and well posed man, Al. I found myself fighting to read or watch anything about ACR, but that was impossible. So, I lost the battle.

Interesting is what I heard on the latest PMS (I call it pre-manstrual syndron). ACR was glorifying Packers organization and leadership - named Mark Murphy, Brian Gutekunst and MLF. It comes to my mind his memory might start to become foggy. I would suggest him to rewatch his statements day when 2021 draft started and his press conference before 2021 TC.

Second important topic he was talking about is "process". He claimed that he found his process to prepare him for every season to be successful. And that is important not to change the process, because it is of utmost importance for winning it all. My comment is - hey man you did not won any SB from January 2011. And that lead me to conclusion is that he should reconsider his "process" as he has no show for 11 seasons at SB game. I know that SB is team achivement, not personal one (like MVP). And, because of that every player should adapt preparing "process" for next season to new facts - new team and new (drafted, traded or signed) players as part of the team.

He also little bit take step back from last week statement about old players, now demanding one or two of them to be back.

And, of course, he still avoid to answer the question about his decision about the future, but accepted possibility of trade, if it is mutual. Which I consider as fair to all included (in his future) party.

Regarding coach Gray, I admit I have no opinion. Afterthoughts is something many of us are capable to have. But if he was not buying his DC schemes, and did not prepared plaxers in his responsibility, he might be one of the cause for bad plays on secondary. Also, that might be the start of the change in coaching department.

I would hate to lose Rich Bisaccia. I would like to see him as possible interim coach if the next Packers season start bad, no matter who would be QB.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:52 pm

You're gonna question the process for preparing for a season of a guy that has more MVPs than anybody not named Peyton Manning, because he hasn't won more Super Bowls? Maybe you think the all-time Super Bowl winning QB doesn't have the right process because he hasn't won one since 2021. Of all the QBs ever to play in the NFL, only 8 of them have won 2 Super Bowls and all but Big Ben and the Manning bros were decades ago before the real effects of the salary cap on roster building. It is really hard to win a title in the league. You have to have the right GM, the right squad, the right luck with injuries, the right coaching staff and still, it's a game of inches and one or two plays can make the difference. Russell Wilson was 1 play away from winning 2 titles but he didn't get there. Rodgers suffered from the Ted Thompson roster building weaknesses in the middle years of his career, and it's been overall tough to build a consistent contender due to the salary cap and draft order. The fact GB has pretty much always been competitive except when Rodgers is injured speaks volumes about what Rodgers has done for the green and gold. Even when the squad lacked talent, lacked coaching, or had injuries, they almost always had a chance. That was due to Rodgers.

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Rarescope's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:19 pm

I certainly don't agree with everything that Rodgers says or does, but I agree with the general sentiment here about winning SB being difficult - that's why I just try to enjoy the game I'm watching.

It's really easy to look at other people and say what they should and shouldn't do, but much harder to apply the same standards to oneself. For example, I love the idea of quaint little local shops, but am I willing to spend more of my own money to shop at them? Not for a second. So it's easy to say someone like Rodgers should take less money to help the team, or make a decision about playing next year RIGHT NOW. But, looking at it from a human nature perspective is a little different.

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January 25, 2023 at 07:43 pm

I'd be happy if Rodger's even entertained the thought that maybe he should hit the weights and that maybe he might want to adjust his training to reflect his advancing age.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 26, 2023 at 05:37 pm

Rodgers goes to the Jets and that coaching staff and defense, they will be right in the mix and in the playoffs...it would be a great move by him to get away from MLF and his staff..

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Since'61's picture

January 25, 2023 at 07:22 am

Al - concerning Johnny Gray, I hope that he Packers are in contract negotiations with him and if not they should be interviewing replacement candidates. Of course the Packers could be waiting until only the worst possible and cheapest candidates are still available. Maybe they will promote from within and we'll have the defensive version of the Mo Drayton gambit.

As for Rodgers he is a media ratings machine. And that is all that matters to the talking airheads. Enjoy the beach! Thanks, Since '61

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:21 am

Haha. that was a metaphor, I'm not actually on a beach somewhere. Unfortunately.

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January 25, 2023 at 09:48 am

This helps me when I need to take a break from whatever and wherever.
https://youtu.be/MwPsA5psiS8

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January 25, 2023 at 04:47 pm

Heck yeah! Another one I enjoy mucho is Fishin' in the Dark by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

Hard to be pissy when either are playing in the background.

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January 25, 2023 at 11:34 am

Al, I am in Florida and will be going to the beach tomorrow!

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Since'61's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:15 pm

Al you can be. All you need to do is think about it close your eyes and you'll be there. All of us in NJ can use a nice warm beach today. Keep the great articles coming. Stay well. Be safe. Thanks, Since '61

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January 25, 2023 at 07:24 am

I think that Grey wants a promotion. If I remember right he was DC for Minnesota but got fired. He might want to do that again. Pats show doesn’t tell listeners much and is a lot of chatting with little real information. Rhyan looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane. I hope he gets his head back into the game.

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January 25, 2023 at 07:24 am

Jerry Gray might not be the coach they want, if they draft Safeties.
Nobody seemed happy with the secondary and how they played.
And how good would the special teams be if Nixon sat.
One thing is for sure. Barry is coming back.
MLF is getting his way. Deal with it.
So is that the case with Rogers? MLF wants Rodgers Back.
If Gutey gets the coaches what they Need. What is the problem?
How can you trade Rodgers if the coach wants him!
WHY WAS LOVE EVEN DRAFTED IF YOUR COACH WANTS RODGERS!
Regardless, Gutey needs to fix his mistake.
Does his right hand, know what the Left is doing?
If Rodgers goes. IMO MLF will go. And the only guy to blame is Gutey.
But the Buck isn’t stopping at the top. It's in Rodger’s pocket.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:01 am

You forget that MLF showed high level of enthuziasm when Packers announced they were drafting Love. Heck, he was jumping around how happy he was.

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Since'61's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:48 pm

So if he was so thrilled to get Love why doesn't he play him when Rodgers is injured? Somewhere in this scenario there is a huge disconnect. Why does MLF want Rodgers back if he is jumping up and down about drafting Love?

The way the Packers are handling their QBs is a microcosm of how bad this FO and Coaching staff handle the team. If Rodgers returns for 2023 and Love demands a trade what will they do? Most likely Rodgers plays in 2023 and Love sits. At the end of 2023 what happens if Rodgers retires and Love chooses to go FA. The Packers would lose 2 QBs get nothing in return for either of them and have no QB for 2024. Great plan Chooches!!! Way to destroy the team.

Imagine how much MLC will be jumping around then. Thanks, Since '61

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January 25, 2023 at 05:11 pm

At a guess, LaFleur is the kind of person for whom belief is second to following the wind from above. Always dubious types to turn one’s back on. They are chameleons who enthusiastically take on the colors of whomever they see as their masters, but only until such time as a stronger presence comes along.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:11 pm

At a guess, LaFleur is the kind of person for whom belief is second to following the wind from above. Always dubious types to turn one’s back on. They are chameleons who enthusiastically take on the colors of whomever they see as their masters, but only until such time as a stronger presence comes along.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:29 pm

Wait. Wasn't that the whole 2nd Star Wars trilogy? or the prequel sequel.

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January 25, 2023 at 09:41 pm

Spot on Coldworld! Thanks, Since '61

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:31 am

If MLF quits because Rodgers is traded then we have a win-win, although I'm sure Murphy will fuck up the HC hire again.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:55 pm

If it is an "f-up" to have the best winning record of any young coach for the first 3 seasons, then what exactly were you expecting? The entitlement of GB fans and their unrealistic expectations are tiring. One down year with a thumb injury, young wideouts, injuries at WR and offensive line. Who would you hire?

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:10 pm

Have you noticed that in every big postseason game, the Packers have fallen apart under MLF? We may win lots of regular season games against inferior opponents and a couple decent ones, but in the games that count against the best competition, MLF has fallen short, and often looked out-planned and helpless on the sidelines during such games

The ultimate goal of playing in the NFL is to win a Super Bowl. MLF doesn't enable them to do that; they need someone with the passion of Dan Campbell or Mike Vrabel, someone who inspires their players. Not to mention his refusal to hold other coaches or players accountable has cost us drastically, from Barry to Mo Drayton.

Rich Bissacia is who I'd hire. He may not be able to be an offensive or defensive play caller, but he has the passion and grit, coaches his players well, hires coaches and signs players smartly, and will criticize those who deserve to be criticized.

Last year, in 12 games with the Raiders, right after they fired Gruden, Bissacia stepped in as HC. The Raiders are one of the worst-run franchises and have been stuck in limbo due to bad drafting, and had a TERRIBLE roster in 2021 (Like this year's Raiders without Davante and Chandler Jones - their #1 WR was Hunter Renfrow, their secondary, IDL, and LBs were terrible along with all of their offensive line except LT.) Bissacia took that roster and went 7-5 to lead them to a 10-7 record and finish as the #5 seed in the AFC, taking the eventual AFC Champion Bengals down to the wire in a narrow 26-19 loss (not to mention the faulty Tee Higgins TD after the whistle was blown, too!)

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:16 pm

If it is an "f-up" to have the best winning record of any young coach for the first 3 seasons, then what exactly were you expecting?

Yes, since those seasons led to nothing. With that kind of record, we should've won at least one NFC championship. The TB game was ours. Until it wasn't. I won't go into WHY we lost that game - that's been rehashed for years.

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January 26, 2023 at 02:46 pm

Nobody wants to win the Marty Schottenheimer award.

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January 27, 2023 at 12:00 am

Yep

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January 25, 2023 at 09:46 pm

It's pretty obvious to most that ML has some pretty serious limitations in his game planning, execution and how about ZERO adjustments in-game to anything the other teams defense throws at him...for 3 years and going. If you look at the NFL teams we beat the previous 3 years there are 4-5 above average teams per season and the rest underperforming. His ideal OL is smaller and athletic so they can run sideways instead of running the ball straight ahead. This flaw in HIS offense is what has knocked us out of every playoff he has coached. When faced with teams who are built for post season like SF and Bucs their defense bullies our offense into submission and shuts down the run game and we only HAD 1-WR in DA and a bunch of #3-4's. Not game planning to use our RB's much more when our run game was shut down. Two years in a row either Jones or Dillon got hurt and ML did not have sense enough to get more reps with a 3rd RB so HE would be comfortable using them when needed....And they were needed. Not preparing Love for the K.C game, letting him get blitzed on every play....Not returning the favor on K.C's QB. I could go on and on. He's an underling OC who talked himself into a HC position because he worked on the cheap when GB still had to pay out Mike M's contract. I was pleased at first ML breathed life into our pass game but it didn't last and Gute never got us a #2 WR or a decent pass catching TE.

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January 25, 2023 at 06:28 pm

Even a blind squirrel picks up a nut once in a while. But there’s no chance if he doesn’t pitch the bad ones.

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Since'61's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:43 pm

jurp Murphy can fxxk up a wet dream. Thanks, Since '61

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T7Steve's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:05 am

Al, you don't want us to talk about Rodgers. That's a relief.

I have issues with your analogy, however. "as much as I love pizza. (good pizza, from NJ-NY-CT, not what most of the country passes off as pizza... sorry)". Never cut down pizza, anywhere! You must never have been single. Pizza is like sex. Even bad sex is better than anything else.

There. No Rogers. I don't think he ever dised pizza.

The people above covered Grey and Ryan for me. I don't think they would dis pizza either. LOL

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:25 am

Haha. I worked in a pizzeria when I was single and going to college, so I have a frame of reference. Spend a week here visiting the best pizzerias and it will ruin you for life and you'll want to "abstain" from bad pizza.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:40 am

just like the cheesesteaks from Philly-Wilmington... there's just no comparison elsewhere...

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:21 am

Absolutely. I have family in South Philly and the cheesesteaks are the best of the best.

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Since'61's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:38 pm

Agree on the Cheesesteaks in South Philly. But I'm Bronx born and raised and I still know where to get the best pizza in NYC. Good pizza can also be found in the North End of Boston. But you're correct AL. Once you leave the Northeast the Pizza is terrible. I can say that Jersey pizza has improved quite a bit over the years but NYC is still the king. Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

January 27, 2023 at 12:14 am

Have had plenty of all but CT is the king. True Napoli pizza We called Apizza, pronounced like "ah beetz" in the older days. Scamozza cheese not just mozzarella!

Anyway have had a lot of great NJ and NYC pizza. Worked in NYC nearly my entire life but CT home still the best!
Try any Bridgeport / New Haven, you'll see. Same class as say Like Culver's is to me for burgers. Or Jim's Steaks in Philly

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JerseyAl's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:32 am

There are places in NJ now that rival CT, but I agree, New Haven pizza specifically is out of this world. Frank Pepe's, Modern, Sally's , etc,

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January 27, 2023 at 10:36 pm

Definitely curious to see what your take on some of your favorites in Jersey are. So many places so little time.

Try Bar in New Haven and Buffalina in Guilford, The latter is relatively new and as good as in Italy. or as close as you can get. Enjoy

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January 28, 2023 at 01:53 pm

Well, I only know North Jersey. There's a group on Facebook called Jersey Pizza Joints, where you'll see many of the top names throughout the state. There's somethng about the town of Nutley - they have four or five of the top pizza places everyone raves about. As for Neopolitan style wood fired, there's S. Edigio in RIdgewood, Song and Napule in Rutherford - both as authentic as you can get with ovens and pizzaiolos for Naples. There's a little local place near me that isn't well known, but I'd put them up there with those names - Aquila al Forno in Little Falls.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 28, 2023 at 10:08 pm

Thanks. I'll definitely check them out.

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T7Steve's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:06 am

Al, unless you start to put weird things on a pizza, there's no such thing as a bad one. Even cold day old is good. I understand there might be better, but that's like the difference between an MVP or a good player on a losing team. It doesn't matter as long as you have a pizza.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:26 am

Any pizza + beer = good eats. Always.

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T7Steve's picture

January 25, 2023 at 02:55 pm

I guess I shouldn't have started this. I like all kinds of domestic beer too, if they're from Wisconsin. (Not NY Al.)

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January 25, 2023 at 11:38 am

Respectively disagree T7. It seems to me that where ever you grow up, you get used to that style/taste of a particular pizza and if you move away, like I have for a portion of each year, it is very difficult to find an acceptable pizza. We have been trying but they just are not the same and some are terrible.

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January 25, 2023 at 12:34 pm

Perfectly stated hawkpack.
One of the reasons the NY and EC pizza's get so much love is there are so many people there who love them and have access directly to a microphone.
My wife and I make our own, with crust recipes we've grown to love, marinara that we make from our home grown veggies and all the best cheeses and meats that we care to add.
To me, that's the best pizza in the world.
Others might not give it any praise (though I doubt it) but I don't care. I'd rather eat ours than any other without apologizing to Sicilian or any other pizzeria.
Two full paragraphs without discussing our salary cap, qb and roster, thank you.
GPG!

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January 26, 2023 at 07:15 am

Well done mnbadger!

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Dragon5's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:19 am

I can vouch for Marty's Pizza in Delafield / Brookfield here in the greater MKE vicinity. If I'm not mistaken, also JJ Watt's favorite. The Brookfield location closed last year due to staffing shortages--only to reopen due to the outpouring demand...says something.

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January 25, 2023 at 11:39 am

Pizzaria Uno's in Platteville WI is outstanding. Probably my favorite right now.

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BradHTX's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:06 pm

Grew up and went to elementary school near the original Marty’s in Brookfield. I always thought it was just OK, didn’t love it. But they did offer that 5’ rectangular party pizza…

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January 25, 2023 at 11:30 pm

No longer in operation, Mama DeMarini's (not to be confused with family rival, DeMarini's) in Bay View was spectacular, amazing homemade sausage, just the right amount of fennel. There's a butcher in South Milwaukee that every once in a great while makes a batch of DeMarini's Italian sausage to recipe and puts it out for sale.

If ever in North Fond Du Lac, Joe's Fox Hut is pretty damn fine pizza.

Pewaukee Lake area, Doc's Dry Dock has great pizza. Definitely different than anything else you'll find in the area, and definitely not NY style.. it's something different but it is excellent.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 26, 2023 at 04:01 am

San Giorgio on old world third has authentic Neopalitan pizza. The chef is from Naples. They have other good styles of pizza, as the family owned business is owned by folks from Calabria.

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wildbill's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:46 am

Chicago has better pizza as much as that pains me to say

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BradHTX's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:08 pm

Chicago deep dish pizza is its own thing, you can hardly compare it to other styles, it’s so different. I enjoy it once in a while, but to me it’s not better or worse, just an enjoyable detour.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 25, 2023 at 06:33 pm

Deep dish is gross.

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HawkPacker's picture

January 26, 2023 at 07:11 am

Some yes and others are excellent. Depends on the actual ingredients and taste of the crust.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:23 pm

Portland Oregon has great pizza. The best of them are New Haven apizz' but there is variety and quality across the board.

That said, man I'd like to get a pie in Chambersburg or even Hamilton or Allentown. Hell, I'd be happy to go toFreehold for Federici's again for that matzoh like crust.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 27, 2023 at 12:16 am

That's right Apizza. Ah beetz in my neighborhood.

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crayzpackfan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 02:11 pm

T7--
when I was in high school, one of my pickup lines was, sex or pizza? Following the blank stare I got, I would promptly say, either way I get to eat. It only worked 2 times out of about 30 tries. I even got slapped a couple of times. Anyway...Thanks for jogging loose a memory from my 53 year old dementia infested brain.

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PeteK's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:34 pm

Hahahahaha!!!

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:55 pm

If I could reach you, I would slap you...

Just becuz... ;-)

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Oppy's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:34 pm

I knew a guy who, while in college, had this line he'd used continually:

"How 'bout me and you split a twelve'er of high life and sleep together? And if you don't wanna drink, that's cool too."

His thought process was much like yours- he'd get slapped more often than not, but eventually one day he'd get lucky and have a great night.

I don't think he ever had a great night, though.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 26, 2023 at 04:15 am

Sorry T7 - oops, I did it again. (That is, I wrote about AR and the cap.]

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mrtundra's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:11 am

I think Sean Rhyan is a puzzle piece. He has to live up to his hype/stats, for the Packers. We need him on that O Line whether it be at OG or OT. Knowing his potential, do the Packers still draft an O Lineman, this draft? The kid has not proved anything to the Packers, nor the fans. I'd say yes, the Packers still draft an O Lineman, or maybe two. I think the focus on coordinators/coaches should fall on why Barry is coming back. Jerry Gray may, or may not be the guy we need coaching our DBs, but do we need Joe Barry as Gray's boss? Mr play-that -soft zone, 8 yards deep, on 4th and 2? If Gray is found to be correct on disagreeing with Barry's calls on D, MLF's embracing Barry becomes even more puzzling. Now, Bisaccia may be gone to a HC job at Indy. Just when he was turning things around on STs.

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Razer's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:26 am

A 6 game roid suspension tells you that is wasn't a vitamin supplement misunderstanding. Feels like another 3rd round throwaway.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:33 am

Maybe Mandarich Part 2

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Razer's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:37 am

Exactly who I thought of - unfortunately. Got to wonder about the scouting due diligence or is it so well hidden

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:56 am

You'd think they'd do a blood test or something prior to drafting a guy - or did he take the PEDs after being drafted?

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:10 am

I don’t think these sanctions can be applied to pre-nfl behavior. I’m open to being corrected, but I believe that whatever detected malfeasance occurred/was ingested after he was drafted and thus subject to NFL sanction.

At this point I treat Rhyan as not necessarily guaranteed to survive the off season, and if he does, to make it to September. Prudence is generally in the negative until shown otherwise.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:34 am

I don't see why anyone would ever voluntarily submit to a blood test prior to employment of any kind.

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T7Steve's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:56 am

dobber, OSHA gives employers a very big discount for having a drug testing program. If the guys want to be employed where I work, they have to agree.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:28 am

I've had to piss in a cup for every jobs I've ever taken for at least the last 25 years; submitting a blood test for a drug screen (if that's even necessary) should be a no-brainer when you're paying guys $100,000 per year, minimum. Of course, the NFLPA may have problems with that...

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:49 am

Well, I do not understand why many of posters underestimate Deguara. He was 3rd round pick, played few games in his rookie season and was good. He caught very hard pass from ACR for TD. Then, he torn his ACL.

After he heal from injury he was brought slowly to play. And he responded very good. He is very good blocker, nice in FB role, he caught all passes thrown to him and, what is more important, when he catch the pass he turns downfield immediately and pick at least additional few yards. He is very good player and may be even better by time.

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HawkPacker's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:42 am

I like DeGuara but I am still waiting for him to really turn the corner. He is a great blocker and adequate for pass receiving. I hope there is more to him than what we are currently seeing.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:13 pm

He has to get the ball in order to make things happen. When they toss it to him, he gets yards. Poor offensive design.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:20 pm

Well, DeGuara IS in an MLF/AR hybrid offense, so by definition "Poor offensive design" is correct.

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PeteK's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:40 pm

I also like him, but his time to shine might have been this year. However he declined so onto a high drafted TE.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:51 pm

Alas, I feel his biggest contributions will be on STs. He doesn't look natural as a pass catcher at all and his blocking is nothing more than being in between whoever he's suppose to block and the ball carrier... Which sucks, because I had high hopes for him too.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:15 pm

He has decent hands, but in the context of a full back. He’s not a true TE, was not when we drafted him, and we drafted him because he had experience in a role we never use. Go figure with all our weaponry.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 26, 2023 at 02:43 pm

He should have been running Cooley's play sets as a H-Back. Design the play sheet to your Players. The TE room is a standing joke across the League. There is zero reason to bring Lewis back, or Tonyan unless it is the minimum contract. Big Dog can get his gold watch from another team where he gets six receptions/year.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:17 pm

Exactly, Croat! Many people do not understand that he is not and will never play the role of a traditional TE. Maybe he breaks the 3rd round curse?

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EnemyTerritory's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:16 am

Special teams rating may have been much better than 22 if Nixon had not warme d the bench for a quarter of the season…

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:26 am

that too!

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Razer's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:23 am

All the trade speculation is really tiresome. But the 'trade/no trade' decision will tell us a ton about the our front office and health of this organization. Yes it is reading between lines but the eventual truths of time and CAP must be acknowledged.

No Trade:
Jordan Love is not the guy
Some people think this team can compete for a Super Bowl
Winning season is good enough

Trade:
The roster can't win as is
Rebuild is necessary
Face the music on some of the prior decisions

I was struck by Gutekunst saying that Love "is chomping at the bit". Then he said they are "waiting for Rodgers to go through his process". Threw my hands up in the air

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:35 am

No Trade doesn't necessarily mean that Love is not The Guy; it simply means that MURPHY is not The Guy and shouldn't be making football decisions.

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Razer's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:43 am

True enough but the Packer organization is complicit in the short-term, diminishing returns approach. Like Favre, the glory days of Rodgers leading us to a championship are now in the rearview mirror. At some point, the coin should have dropped. What shape do we want to be in 3 or 4 years down the road?

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:55 am

Oh I agree with you - my only quibble was your assumption that No Trade meant Love was a bust.

I don't think Murphy cares what the franchise looks like in 3-4 years because he'll have retired in 2025. IMO, it's in Murphy's best interests to keep Rodgers around for two more seasons so that he (Murphy) can retire with "the best QB in Packers history" (no, I don't think he is) still on the team and Titletown making money hand over fist, regardless of the team's crappy record. The complicit BOD will put Murphy in the team's HOF and there'll be champagne all around as Murphy is hailed for his business acumen. Makes me want to puke, thinking about it.

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wildbill's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:47 am

Starr, nuff said

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Guam's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:38 am

"I was struck by Gutekunst saying the Love "is chomping at the bit". The he said they are "waiting for Rodgers to go through his process". Threw my hands up in the air."

Welcome to the internal discord of the Green Bay Packers front office. I think Gute has been squarely in the "trade Rodgers, play Love" camp for a couple of years and Murphy is in the "keep Rodgers" camp. Murphy won the battle last year. I think Gute is hoping Rodgers wants a trade this year.

Wake me up when it's all over..........

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Razer's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:49 am

...Wake me up when it's all over...

I hear you. Unfortunately, we are going to hear a ton of nonsense over the next months including Rodgers using McAfee to spout on about being a media villain or some veiled suggestion about something or other. Please just go silent and talk to Gutekunst in a constructive and honest manner. Thank you.

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January 25, 2023 at 09:25 am

"Please just go silent and talk to Gutekunst in a constructive and honest manner."

Amen.

Unfortunately I think Rodgers likes the media attention too much to have that happen.

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Oppy's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:36 pm

It's not media attention that Rodgers craves.

Every media appearance is an opportunity to manipulate the narrative.

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PeteK's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:48 pm

Sports radio in the NY/NJ area have been talking/arguing about Rodgers to Jets for the last two days. Unfortunately, I get sucked in for awhile ,and then it's music time. This is like the water torture!

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:53 am

What discord?

Rodgers wants to go through his process, the Packers are fine with that.

If I'm the HC, I'd probably want Rodgers at QB if I could.
If I'm the GM, I'd want the guy I'd drafted and developed, Love.
If I'm Russ Ball, I don't know if I have a preference.

So Murphy, the Prez, weighs the concerns of all parties. That's not discord, it's dynamic tension with checks and balances.

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If the Packers run it back with Rodgers, I'm going to be disappointed, but I've been disappointed before. It doesn't kill me. For every thing, there is a season, and I think it's time to start thinking about the next 5 years instead of the last 5. All Things Must Pass, this will too.

My crystal ball has Rodgers leaving town. I don't know the timing, and I don't know the destination, but it's over here.

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Guam's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:28 am

From a guy who has lived all over the place including NYC, there is pretty good pizza to be had in Chicago, Detroit and California too. The one place I struggled with eating pizza was in Japan. They put the darndest toppings on their pizza - corn, octopus, potato salad (not kidding - actual German style potato salad) and a host of other things I never seen on pizza anywhere else. Japanese cuisine is generally outstanding but avoid their pizza.

Sean Ryhan was a major disappointment in 2022, but hopefully he gets his head screwed on straight and makes a big second year jump. The Packers need interior O-line help. What is it with the Packers and third round draft choices?????

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:33 am

I have had "pretty good" pizza in other locales, but I'm talking outstanding. And I'm not sure I'd ever think to look for pizza in Japan, so I'm covered there. haha.

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Guam's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:36 am

Lived in NYC while going to grad school and got hooked on Scillian pizza. However Detroit style and Chicago deep dish are just about as good (at least for me).

Lived in Japan for almost six years so I had plenty of time to sample all of their cuisine. Had friends take me to a Japanese pizza place. Once and done....... There is so much other great food in Japan that I could wait to get back to the States to get my pizza fix.

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pete-nado's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:30 am

Buddy's pizza in Detroit! If you haven't had Detroit style, make the trip!

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:37 am

I've had Detroit style. I like it. A Detroit-style place just opened up in my area, going to try it . Personally, I'm a fan of Neopolitan style baked in a wood-burning brick oven. That or old school Sicilian which all the Mom and Pop places around here do. Detroit style is somewhat similar.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:30 am

I'm a fan of margherita style myself, usually best in an Italian-only restaurant.

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BradHTX's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:09 pm

I’m with you there, Al: real Neapolitan wood-fired pizza is just in a class entirely its own.

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Since'61's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:05 pm

Thin and crispy. Fold it and walk around the street with it while you're chomping it down. Get to the next block and hit the pizzeria there and pick up another slice and on to the next block. That's how my friends and I walked home from HS back in the day. Of course in those days a slice of pizza only cost a quarter. Classic NYC scene. Best there is. Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

January 27, 2023 at 10:47 pm

That it is . Forno a legno. Wood fired ! Yum.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:08 pm

I lived in Japan for many years. The pizza you get at bar type places is weird. There are places that serve more credible pizza, but i agree that there better things to choose when in Japan.

The East Coast natives are right: New York does it better. The regular & Sicilian slices at old school Brooklyn places are my choice. I also like a grandma slice every now and then. I haven’t missed Wisconsin pizza since moving to NYC, & i never liked Chicago or Detroit pizza.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:56 am

"Sooooooo many people are making money off of Aaron Rodgers."
Now we are talking the truth! In the sports media Aaron Rodgers attracts attention. No matter what he does, people want to talk about him. Its funny how there was no news about Rodgers, and all of a sudden all the sports talking heads talk about how he could be traded and now that is all we are talking about.
Rodgers goes on Pat McAffee and talks about wanting to win championships and thinks he can still play at the mvp level, and the media turns it into Rodgers is only wanting to win MVPs.
Like Rodgers said yesterday, media loves controversy and Rodgers is a villain in some peoples eyes. People love or hate him for his stance on covid vaccine and Rodgers has been deemed a villain since his stance on Covid Vaccine.

Just Compensation -
Good! More picks the better. I don't care if they are 4th or 7th round picks. More picks the better.

Mr. Invisible -
Sometimes players need that awakening. Hopefully that is the case for Rhyan. He was a good player in college, but needs to learn to be a pro apparently. Hopefully he can turn things around and has a good offseason.

Pat MacAfee -
This isn't a Pat McAfee problem. This is a problem that everyone wants to talk about Rodgers non stop. Yesterday all that was being talked about was how Rodgers needs to go. There is a large group on this page that hates Rodgers. They find any reason or excuse to hate him. That is their opinion and I don't care. But its what is being talked about non stop. Also if you say anything positive about Rodgers on here you get disliked repeatedly.

Jerry Gray -
I really wish someone in the media could talk with Gray. And ask him why when he was questioned about how his DB's were playing 10 yards off the ball routinely he would respond with that being a scheme question and they need to talk to Joe Barry about it. There clearly was a difference of opinion with Gray and Barry. I really wish we knew what was going on.

Bisaccia -
There were a few areas that were significantly better. Long snapping, and holding. That was probably the most improved area. Proof is in watching Crosby's kicks. His kicks were dead straight. I have to believe O'Donnell's holds had a lot to do with that. And then the obvious difference with Nixon. The energy he brought to the Special Teams units is insane. Finding a guy who was a true threat as a returner was something we had lacked for a very long time. Hopefully Nixon is back returning for us next year.

Go Pack!

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BruceC1960's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:13 am

Packers moved from 32 to 22 in special teams ranking. Who had more to do with that, Bisaccia or Kisean Nixon?

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:22 am

Good question. I still say Bisaccia.

I was surprised they were only at 22 to be honest. I was guessing at least 16.

There were a lot of improvements this year. The way they handled special teams changed. The players they brought in improved special teams. And most of the players brought in you have to think Bisaccia was the reason why. So I think Bisaccia was the biggest reason.

Now that being said our special teams looked so damn good after Nixon started returning.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:37 am

I think it's fair to say if we don't have Bisaccia, we don't have Nixon.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:24 am

Or the punter or most of the ST standouts in terms of stats/ratings. That is a very good point. Although Nixon was a big factor, to me the STs generally showed improvement and consistency moved the season. The one blip was an obvious issue (to other teams) that arose in punt blocking. An upward curve speaks to coaching.

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PeteK's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:56 pm

It baffles me that we had that problem again, and for the same reason ( poor choice of personnel and technique).

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:27 am

Well said RC. Honest discourse about the path forward, with or without Rodgers, is a good thing. Their are several in here that make very good points about moving forward without Rodgers, and they do so with no malice to the man. Since'61 for example.

I enjoy input that is not based solely on how someone feels about Rodgers personally (good or bad). I get both sides of what is a legitimate debate, but when someone opens their comment with "The Diva", or whatever their favorite derogatory opener is for Rodgers. For me, it takes away from their commentary, because to an extent it changes the narrative.

Mr. Invisible- Sometimes we forget that these rookies are kids. Some of them are quite immature (see Quay Walker.) I think Rhyan was 21 when we drafted him. If the Packers give up on him this quick, it would tell us there is a bigger problem than we are aware of.

Pat McAfee- I find the show entertaining. AJ Hawk cracks me up, and Pat is a ball of energy. They all contribute something.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:50 am

The way I view moving on from Rodgers, is you do so if you think you are doing it to get better. If you are doing it for any other reason, then you don't do it.

Since '61 is a great example of one that I like to read because he isn't attacking anyone or anything.

I completely agree with you on the comments about Rodgers. The Diva and whatnot is an instant shut down for me. I almost always ignore the rest of what they say. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I usually respect most peoples. But I lose respect when people become viscous.

Sometimes players take a while to learn the scheme and learn how to play at the next level. They are humans. It takes time sometimes. I do hope he comes back this offseason and changes his narrative.

Completely agree about the Pat McAffee show. i don't always watch it, but I always watch Rodgers. I like how its just more free talk. Its not this pc crap that people can only say certain things. Its why I like the show because its different. Pat is a ball of energy.

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wildbill's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:56 am

Stop making excuses for these pampered players. I was a Sergeant, in a combat unit, during Nam at 20 years old. There are many 18-22 year olds having to mature, in life or death situations, quickly without someone changing their diapers when they don’t man up.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:26 pm

I'm not making an excuse wildbill, I'm simply stating a fact. Thank you for your service my friend.

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:03 am

Thoughts on Sean Rhyan. From what I've read, he's a really humble kid who found himself long way from home, was overwhelmed, and had difficulty believing he belonged. Hence the PED use. Referred to Kenny Clark as Mr. Clark, just a star-struck kid. Maybe one of those glue guys/locker room guys we can win with can mentor him, because it seems to be between his ears.

Can't stand Pat McAfee. I wanna cuff him in the back of the head like my mom used to swat me when committed any of a plethora of offenses.

Can we get a Top Three Reasons to Envy Jersey Al post?
1. He's eating Pizza
2. He's relaxing on a beach
3. He's enjoying beer.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:46 am

Jersey Al "lied" about the beach...

Al lied and people cried...

so many just dont know what a meta is phor...

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:14 am

Don't taunt me with your superior figurative language detection skills, jb. I'm holding tight to my Al-envy; beer, beach, and pizza.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:18 am

In Texas, by the pool, wearing shorts, eating brisket.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:50 pm

who is this Brisket girl I have heard so much about?

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:21 am

lol

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January 25, 2023 at 04:11 pm

"Watching surfers", BS, with the modern bathing suits out there. Flip the shades and let the show begin.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:22 am

Rodgers watch is just a better articulated tractor watch. The differences seem smaller each year. The thing is, to me, as with Favre, the upside of hanging in his whim decreases each year as well.

The difference is that this time the roster/cap mess created in last dancing continually is far, far worse, with what that means for the current overall roster and for those around his eventual successor.

Add to that my belief that no team/franchise should allow itself to be at the whim if any player because no coherent broader, longer term strategy can exist with that and no team thrives without one.

I believe, and have stated for a long time that Rodgers plus this cap and roster made zero sense. On top of that, separate from it, the above tell me it’s time to move on simply because of the above. That will be true if another QB repeats this behavior in future.

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Guam's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:29 am

It is amazing just how much this feels like Groundhog Day. Heaven help me if the next Packer QB puts us through a third Farve/Rodgers exit.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:51 am

Only highly successful QB level superstars can do the diva thing along with the Hamlet - will he or wont he - exit game.

Give me a steady string of those guys for my GBP until I lie cold and dead under the soil of my native land...

Only the good die young - career wise - the GREAT last until the welcome is well worn out... enjoy it while you can!

Nobody cried when Scott Hunter, Jerry Tagge or Randy Wright were removed from the roster...

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:26 am

as a famous man once said...

R-E-L-A-X

:)

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:56 am

Haven't we gone to like...zero...Super Bowls since he said that? Hasn't he been the quarterback of the offense that has laid some Cleveland Steamers in the big games?

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:18 pm

LH. I don't think he said R-E-L-A-X we're going to win the Super bowl, but I could be wrong.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:22 pm

Point taken. He also didn't say "R-E-L-A-X, I'm only going to win two more playoff games after this season". That stretch run of 2016 was great, but since then, we have two playoff victories and we missed the playoffs 3 times.

Rodgers was fantastic during that stretch in 2016. He's not that guy anymore.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:23 pm

Well if you relax it's easier to lay a Cleveland Steamer, ain't it?

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:28 am

In some senses the great last despite their endings. Usually the last year or two get quietly forgotten, rightly. Very few walk off like Elway.

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PeteK's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:16 pm

I was sad when Majic Man flopped.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:02 am

Sorry, I'm not sorry. I hope the next Packer QB puts us through a third Favre/Rodgers exit.

If it means we have another FHOFer at QB, I hope he puts us through it and I hope I'm alive to see it.

Let's just hope the organization handles it better than the last two times.

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fangirl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:41 am

I think he is orchestrating an annual 5-6 week media show which likely gives him a feeling of importance (while appearing innocent)

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:31 am

We ceded him control. It’s tantamount to an invitation to do this. At some point however, the football side won’t actually justify it. That may, with hindsight, prove to have already arrived. If our leaders were worthy of that name they wouldn’t just be sitting and waiting, but then they wouldn’t have handed that to him on a plate either.

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fangirl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:15 pm

@CW, I agree though I think Rodgers had legitimate concerns during his 'summer of discontent' but during his hold-out he got intense media attention which seems to have unleashed a disturbing side to the man.

Was he always this way?

I'm a fan of his talent but even I want him to go away.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:52 am

I have a feeling some don't like PMS because it's too much like blogs... Idiots talking about sports they know about, but don't really have the information they need to be informative, only speculative. I watched the PMS yesterday and IMHO AR12 said everything most AR12 haters don't want to hear.

I truly love AR12, but I think it is time to move on, but yesterday, AR12 said everything a true leader should say, and the haters don't appreciate that. It doesn't fit their narrative about the diva, fascist, selfish, washed HOF QB.

He scoffed at the idea he had to have all his guys to play next year.
He reiterated how much he loved GB, the fans, the game, and the organization.
He admitted his contract would need to be adjusted, because it was too restrictive to the team or acquiring team.
Again, he admitted if he decided to play next year, the Packers as an organization would have to decide if they wanted him at QB or if they wanted to go younger. No animosity, nothing but love for the franchise that drafted him, paid him millions, and he totally understands if they do decide to go younger.

Saying all the right things doesn't fit the AR12 hater's narrative. In fact, it sounded to me like he would love to retire a Packer, but almost dared the organization to move on from him. He seems at peace when whatever happens, happens.

I can understand why nobody wants to talk about it. The only thing AR12 said yesterday that will ruffle some feathers, was his continued stance on the BS handling of the Covid MVP years, which in retrospect was spot on, and it still pisses some people off, but certainly not me.

Bottom line: The Green Bay Packers FO has to decide AR12s fate when he finally decides what we all know, he's playing ball next year, we just don't know who he will be playing for...

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fangirl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:16 am

Rodgers overriding concern is to stay in front of the media. He loves throwing out bread crumbs and watching the feeding frenzy. He knows that w/in minutes of McAfee's show, there will be a media storm-he gets off on it.

Most people who wish to take time to make a big decision can do so w/o a weekly media check-in.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:06 am

Oh, he is such excellent manipulator. I was watching his PMS show yesterday. He was talking about superb organization tra-la-la-la... DO you forgot how he was thinking and talking about the organization less than 2 years ago? What change his mind? Two things: 1. "Money make the world goes round" and 2. More and more people are for trading him or seeing him retire. Heck, he admitted that he has some guys that follows social media and podcasts about him and report to him. Did you miss that part?

Oh, such a manipulator...

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Packerpasty's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:59 am

wow, another mind reader....cool

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:39 am

"He scoffed at the idea he had to have all his guys to play next year."

Doesn't that contradict what he said only a week earlier? My memory is hazy, so could be two weeks ago. What changed? Who knows. Or cares, at this point.

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fangirl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:01 pm

@Jurp, he confessed to having 'people' who follow fan commentary. He is adjusting his 'spin' based on feedback though I still believe he needs those guys and will likely remain in GB because of that need

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 02:02 pm

Hmm. maybe stockholder and RC are on the payroll...

On second thought, there's no way stockholder is.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:01 pm

Perfectly summarized BirdDog.

"In fact, it sounded to me like he would love to retire a Packer, "

He flat out said it. He also spoke of his love for the organization, the region, and the city.

"I can understand why nobody wants to talk about it. The only thing AR12 said yesterday that will ruffle some feathers, was his continued stance on the BS handling of the Covid MVP years, which in retrospect was spot on, and it still pisses some people off, but certainly not me."

More than anything, in a nutshell, this was his "undoing" for far too many people. He was absolutely spot on with much of what he said.

It appears he's not waiting around for an apology from the "oops I guess we might have got it wrong" crowd. He trolled them several times yesterday.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 25, 2023 at 01:41 pm

We could literally go on for hours about how right AR12 was about the Covid BS perpetrated on the American public, but the haters still believe the lies they were told, even when the evidence is clearly to the contrary.

I don't know how many people have to "die suddenly" for those people to start asking the right questions or question the narrative they were force fed, but many of us were persecuted from the jump for calling out their BS.

I was banned by the far-left, tolerant, communist %'s at APC for daring to defy their BS narrative and voice an opinion against their acceptance of tyranny. No sweat off my A$$.

I commend him for his conviction. IDK where AR12 will play next season, but I'll be watching the Packers no matter what AR12 does.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 02:11 pm

I can remember a couple of threads getting pretty caustic here at our beloved CHTV. Seems like Al, or whoever handles that type of thing, had to come in and clean things up.

"I don't know how many people have to "die suddenly" for those people to start asking the right questions or question the narrative they were force fed, but many of us were persecuted from the jump for calling out their BS."

Free speech is truly under attack BirdDog. So much information from highly qualified experts is suppressed, ridiculed and silenced by the powers that be. Getting to the truth can only happen if those voices are allowed to be heard. Real science doesn't fear open debate, it thrives on it.

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fangirl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 02:24 pm

Hi Guys-I'm not on the left or the right but I am an ICU RN and I think that if Aaron had spent one day in our unit with people fighting for their lives on ventilators and losing he would be
slightly more careful. I actually like Aaron and find him quite interesting but he does not have the entire picture.
Hospitals fill up every winter with the usual suspects (pre-Covid) and many of them require ventilators (current and ex smokers) and cannot be weaned for 2-3 weeks.

I saw this whole thing from that perspective-not enough staff, beds nor equipment.
This happens every Nov-March.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 02:49 pm

fangirl. I appreciate where you are coming from. I have much respect for what you do.

"Hospitals fill up every winter with the usual suspects (pre-Covid)"

I assume you are saying that was happening long before Covid ever became a thing.

"I saw this whole thing from that perspective-not enough staff, beds nor equipment.
This happens every Nov-March."

From your perspective, has it always been the case that there was not enough staff, or have you found that to be more of problem since Covid?

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:26 pm

My wife is in healthcare. You're full of shit. No one died suddenly from the vaccine (the stats tracked all causes of death, which was grossly misinterpreted by people with an agenda as being from the vaccine), but nearly a million did die from the virus. If you don't want to be vaccinated, then don't get vaccinated, but please stop with the nonsense.. Rodgers flat-out lied by implying his voodoo treatment gave him immunity.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 06:56 pm

Jurp, I'm in the automotive business. I work in finance. Does that mean I know what happened to someone's engine that failed at a dealership 1000 miles away? Probably not. "That" would make a person "full of shit"

There have been adverse reactions (even deaths) with every drug that as ever been put on the market in this country. That's why we do not authorize drugs that haven't been tested to fit the risk/ benefit standards of the industry.

Like it or not, these vaccines were passed for emergency use only. and saying "no one" died from these vaccines is as inaccurate as saying everyone who takes the vaccine will die.

That's why we need open scientific debate, and why no confirmed expert's voice should be suppressed simply because it doesn't fit the narrative of unelected people who financially benefit from an emergency use only drug.

Being angry with BirdDog (or me) for pointing that out doesn't dismiss the fact that there are millions of people who have legitimate questions. "Full of shit" is not an answer to those questions.

An open mind is a good thing for all of us.

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fangirl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:22 pm

Yo Jurp-I am on your side. I said people were dying from Covid, not the vaccine.
Rodgers did not witness the multiple deaths in the hospital from Covid.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 25, 2023 at 08:26 pm

My Son-in-Law is a Doctor, and was on the front line of Covid. And yes, he's confirmed to me that people have died from getting the vaccine. Some have died from blood clots, some have died of heart attacks. You can believe whatever it is you want to believe jurp. I'm not trying to get you to change your mind, I'm just going by what has happened.

Do you think all these unexplained deaths are from illegal fentanyl use? Some are, most aren't... Have you even seen all of the unexplained deaths and unexplained heart attacks?

No point in saying anymore. This isn't the time or place. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 01:57 pm

BDU, Rodgers reworking his contract doesn't help the team at all. long-term - it just kicks the money farther into the future, making it even harder for us to get out from under his contract.

Now, if he said that he would convert guaranteed money into incentives, with targets such as "Top 5 in passer rating", "Top 3 in TDs", "Top 5 in (fewest) Interceptions", "10 win season", "Division Title", "First Round Playoff Bye", "First Round Playoff win (if no bye)", "Second Round Playoff Win", "NFC Championship", and "Super Bowl Championship", then I'd be all for him to stay. But that will NEVER happen. And why should it? If Murphy was stupid enough to offer up that contract, then if I were Rodgers I'd say "live with it suckers".

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:14 pm

Hey, you're preaching to the choir here brother. I was all for trading AR12 last year and I am all for trading him this year, for as much as we can possibly get.

I love the dude, but the best thing for the Packers is to roll with the young guy, retool, and get back to playing at a high level, sooner rather than much later...

Trading Rodgers gives us more draft capital and cap space to do what needs to be done. I'm all for it.

I'm just a fan who wants to see the organization going in the right direction. I don't feel trying to run it back again is the right direction, but the exact opposite...

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:52 pm

I like Rodgers very much, and I have greatly enjoyed his time in GB. However, I agree, it is time to turn the page and begin the next chapter of Packers football. It is looking like New York (or maybe Indy) is the most likely Rodgers destination.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 25, 2023 at 04:21 pm

Indy went with an old, end of the road Rivers. It failed.
Indy went with an old, end of the road Ryan. It failed.

I believe their GM is on record saying they're not going that route again.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:59 am

probably not but Rodgers is light years above those two ....

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Packers1985's picture

January 25, 2023 at 05:43 pm

I doubt Rodgers would be choosing an AFC team. As that conference is much tougher with the likes of Mahomes, Burrow and Allen. But will have to see where he goes as Gb would not be wanting to trade him to a NFC team.

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Packers1985's picture

January 26, 2023 at 01:37 pm

Looks like Hackett has been hired as the OC for Jets. Now i guess Rodgers to Jets seems inevitable.

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Oppy's picture

January 27, 2023 at 01:10 am

Saying all the right things doesn’t fit the narrative set forth by the man’s actions.

Don’t listen to what someone tells you they are. See who they are by their deeds.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 25, 2023 at 09:54 am

One of the bestest pizzas I ever had was on St Patty's Day (evening). It had a layer of mashed potatoes and sauerkraut at a dive bar in MN. (The pizza I had in Naples couldn't come close...)

It was frickin' delicious!

>^••^<

*full disclosure, I couldn't feel my face at the time

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:25 am

I love mashed potatoes and I love sauerkraut but...

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HawkPacker's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:50 am

Al, have you had a Sauerkraut and Canadian Bacon Pizza? It sounds terrible but is excellent. Happy Joe's Pizza in Dubuque, Iowa.

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 02:03 pm

Actually, that sounds much better than with mashed potatoes.

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Swisch's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:20 pm

HawkPacker, it seems to me that sauerkraut is meant to be taken in small doses as a digestive aid, and should be nowhere near a pizza. Perhaps with my Wisconsin heritage, it's a visceral reaction clouding my openness to new taste sensations.
I truly miss pizza from the Chicago area, where I spent much of my life.
Can't they get some Chicago pizza in Dubuque? -- which otherwise, in my impression, seems like a really nice place to live, with rolling hills near the Mississippi River.
I've been to Galena on the Illinois side of the river, although quite a while ago.

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HawkPacker's picture

January 26, 2023 at 07:08 am

Hey Swisch.

Galena, IL is a great place and we are there often. Good golf, great restaurants and beverages as well.

Recently a 'Gino's East' opened in Dubuque. As many of you know, that is a pizzaria from Chicago. Pretty good pizza.

Where are you located now?

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Swisch's picture

January 26, 2023 at 11:29 am

Hi HawkPacker, in youthful days I took great pizza for granted -- including Gino's -- growing up in Wheaton, Illinois, and living in Chicagoland almost continuously from about age 11 to 36 (1973-1998).
Since then, though, I've learned the sad reality that the rest of the United States are lacking in opportunities for excellent pizza, including many years in various places of New Mexico and a few in Boise, Idaho.
Now, I'm in Georgia, in the suburbs north of Atlanta, which is in general a nice place to live other than pizza options -- although I admit to not having explored much beyond fast-food pizza.
In my Chicago years, I knew a good person who went to Loras College; and I also have a good friend (I've stayed in communication with) who used to visit New Melleray Abbey when he was considering a vocation as a religious.
Somehow, over the years, I've had this impression of the Dubuque area as a scenic and inviting place to visit and live.
Plus, I'm truly excited to learn yesterday that Iowa is going big for providing school choice for regular people who want more say about the education of their children. It seems like just about everyone would be for that kind of freedom.
Anyway, all the best to you HawkPacker.

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HawkPacker's picture

January 26, 2023 at 09:24 pm

Hey Swisch,

We have a son who lives in Cumming, GA which could be somewhat close to your location. We go there three of four times each year as we winter in Florida and drive through there from Dubuque. We went to a place close to them called something like Chicago New York Pizza. The pizza was very good and you should try it. We were pretty impressed.

We actually live a few miles from New Melleray and my wife worked in the business office at Loras College for 25 years.

Dubuque is a great place to live and we are happy to be there in the summer months. Take care Swisch and hope you try Chicago New York Pizza.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:10 pm

It will put hair on your chest and the women, they look at you in a different light. :)

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 25, 2023 at 01:43 pm

In today's crazy world, it puts hair on the women's chests too.

Just saying...

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 25, 2023 at 01:51 pm

Werewolves of London baby!

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x24's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:15 am

I too wonder how much of this improvement was directly due to Nixon, and you are correct; why did it take so long to figure out what Nixon had, and what Amari did not?

Beyond Nixon, I was pretty underwhelmed by Bisaccia. I finally saw lane discipline, but that was about it. The "fake" punt, four blocked kicks... Better than "last", but there are still plenty of "opportunities for improvement"

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JerseyAl's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:27 am

The coverage units were MUCH better, biggest improvement was on kickoff coverage, especially important with a kicker that can't get it into the end zone much anymore.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 10:52 am

Another area that improved tremendously is the long snapper and holder on kicks. This one was very noticeable this year compared to the last few years. Crosby's kicks were straight. There was no hook or slice. It just went straight on almost any kick. That operation was night and day better.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:40 am

Didn't we have a new LS this past season? Was that Bisaccia or Gutekunst? Or both?

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:53 am

Last year I believe they went through 2 or 3 long snappers. It was a mess.

This year they brought in the competition, and went with UDFA Jack Coco. He did really well. So Gutey brought him in, but Bisaccia coaching definitely helps.

I don't recall many bad snaps this year. Definitely an improvement from last year.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2023 at 03:32 pm

There were a few: our punter is a great holder, and that shouldn’t be overlooked, but a promising first season certainly.

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x24's picture

January 25, 2023 at 12:40 pm

You are correct on both of those points- which I overlooked.

Forgive me for being overly negative about the season

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2023 at 11:01 am

The tone, and the words, are different this year than the last two years, with Rodgers and the Packers both talking about change. Rodgers is a smart enough guy to understand that nothing is permanent except change, which is always taking place.

It kind of reminds me of my youth, and I'd be in a bar, and it'd be getting close to closing time, and I'd have to make the choice between staying, having another beer, and trying to get lucky with one of the increasingly good looking wom