Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Rebuild Year? Pfft...
The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.
By JerseyAl
As you read this, I will be in Florida for a few days of vacation before attending a wedding. This weekend. Wild card weekend. The wedding is 5PM ET on Sunday. But of course. But hey, you can thank me for the Packers being in the playoffs:
I have to be at a destination wedding in two weeks. This is a sure guarantee the #Packers will be in the playoffs. You're welcome.
— Jersey Al - GBP (@JerseyAlGBP) January 1, 2024
I'm writing this in the little free time I have on Monday, so sorry if I don't get too deep here. It will probably be the same situation next week as my travel schedule works out and who knows when I'll be able to actually watch the game. The irony is the groom and his Dad are big Packers fans too. I told them the groom needs to come up with an illness to postpone the wedding.
The Packers making the playoffs this year was just not in the realm of possibilities for me. With so much change this year, I was just looking for the young guys to be getting experience and developing. Well, they've developed all right. And now they get to experience a playoff game.
This tweet rather succinctly sums up the improbable circumstances the Packers had to overcome this year to be where they are:
The Packers traded Aaron Rodgers, let 8 starters walk in free agency, had no money to sign any significant free agents, had 12 draft picks make the roster (11 the prior year), started over on special teams, lost their All-Pro LT week 1...
...and got better in 2023!#GoPackGo pic.twitter.com/ZTuCYrD25G
— Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) January 8, 2024
Wasn't it a real pleasure to watch a game with so few penalties called? There's nothing worse for this sport than when the referees take over the game and become the story.
Speaking of referees, can anyone tell me what really constitutes a catch in the NFL? It's pretty evident the referees aren't really sure themselves. I have an easy solution for one of the issues, which we saw with the DJ Moore "catch." If the ball hits the ground, even if your hands are on it - it's incomplete. No room for interpretation. Now what to do about the whole "football move" and "completing the catch" rules, I have no idea.
What Jordan Love did this year is almost beyond comprehension. From the comparison below, what stands out most to me is the interceptions number. Considering he had 10 after only nine games, this is just crazy. Crazy good.
This is in no way saying Jordan Love is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers.
It is pretty clear, though, that *for 2023* they made the right decision far and away.
That's 2022 Rodgers on the right. pic.twitter.com/SHRngcKK2J
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) January 8, 2024
It's especially gratifying when delusional loudmouth buffoons spewing drivel with no basis in fact get their comeuppance, right? Sorry Bears fans...
You will never see a faster concussion evaluation in your lifetime than what the Bears gave Justin Fields.
And final thought...
Being a Packers fan means you're more nervous on 3rd and 22 than third and five. Whew...
— Jersey Al - GBP (@JerseyAlGBP) January 7, 2024
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Comments (210)
NickPerry
January 10, 2024 at 06:16 am
Jersey Al - GBP
@JerseyAlGBP
I have to be at a destination wedding in two weeks. This is a sure guarantee the #Packers will be in the playoffs. You're welcome.
Thanks Al! Your the Man buddy!
TKWorldWide
January 10, 2024 at 06:41 am
Maybe “You’re the BEST man, buddy”?!
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 08:06 am
...I have to be at a destination wedding in two weeks ON a Sunday at 5:00!
Talk about a polluted mindset decision. Thanks Al for taking one for the team.
Wildcomet
January 10, 2024 at 08:14 am
Please tell us that you've also booked an expensive vacation right around Superbowl Sunday?? LOL.
Swisch
January 10, 2024 at 06:21 am
Always go for the win, always go for the playoffs, then always for go for wins in the playoffs.
Max out the season!
The draft, and other considerations, will then fall into place just fine.
The Green Bay Packers don't do quitting.
TKWorldWide
January 10, 2024 at 06:54 am
Agreed! Also, just for fun, go back and look at past first rounds of the draft and tell me the teams would keep it all the same after these players have been in the NFL awhile. There will be examples all over the place! That’s why I never sweat the “losing to get an earlier pick” thing. It just doesn’t stand up!
CheesedDeadHead
January 10, 2024 at 08:29 am
It doesn’t matter where you are picking, it matters WHO is doing the picking.
croatpackfan
January 10, 2024 at 11:31 am
No, it only matters who you are picking!
SpikeHyzer
January 10, 2024 at 08:36 am
Well, of course. It's not about the growth of the players or team.
It's about the fact that 75000 times 50 (which may be a very low estimate of ticket prices or even stadium sizes) is about 4 million. Maybe lots more considering my underestimates. And the visiting team gets 1/3 of the gate.
I'm sure the Pack wishes it were a home game for that very reason, but the team is actually looking out for PROFITS in its drive to get to the post season.
It's really about the million and a half bucks or more that the game will generate for the Pack (which probably goes way beyond the gate in terms of jersey sales etc.).
jont
January 10, 2024 at 09:55 am
"It's about the fact that 75000 times 50 (which may be a very low estimate of ticket prices or even stadium sizes) is about 4 million."
50 dollars for a ticket?
I read somewhere the average ticket price for the NFL is north of $300. Average is $500 in Las Vegas.
75,000 x $300 = $22.5 million
plus parking of, say, 20,000 cars at $50 per... an even million
and a share of concessions
eight home games a year is a gross revenue of $188 million
mnbadger
January 10, 2024 at 12:56 pm
Agree with Swisch.
I'll emphatically add Always go for Mike Vrabel as our next DC!
GPG!
packerbackerjim
January 10, 2024 at 06:31 am
A muted cell phone with CHTV Watch Party works wonders in situations where TV viewing is not possible. Try not to audibly react. As for the lack of penalties, the officials started postseason approach early, when only egregious calls are made. That said, reviews of what they just saw occur far too often and take too long. The quantum leaps the team made this season is astounding, more so on the offense. The Third- and 4th and long queasy feelings are a result of recurring PTSD. A very good DC might well be therapeutic for those us affected.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 09:09 am
Wireless ear buds...they make 'em for a reason!
jvole
January 10, 2024 at 06:46 am
Beside the receivers and Love, the most gratifying thing to watch this year has been the development of the O-line. I thought this draft the packers desperately needed a left tackle, right guard, and center, but now I think they just need a center (and its not desperate). Watching Walker develop, and Zach Tom own the right tackle position has been a fun watch.
GregC
January 10, 2024 at 07:18 am
I was an O-line skeptic this year, long after others thought they were improving, but I have to admit that the last two games have made things more interesting. Rasheed Walker, in particular, really seems to be improving, while Zach Tom has been good enough at RT to pretty much end any consideration of him moving inside--unless of course they draft an OT with a high pick who is really good as a rookie. I still think the Packers will take an OT in the first two rounds of the draft, as well as an interior O-lineman in the first 4-5 rounds, but I guess I'm less sure of that now. As you say, maybe the priority is more interior O-line now.
jvole
January 10, 2024 at 08:02 am
And who knows, maybe Sean Rhyan is the answer at right guard? When Royce Newman was trotted out a few times earlier in the year, I thought Butkus should have been fired on the spot. But the development of Walker cannot be denied. Hats off to them...... I suspect for depth, they will take a tackle. As many teams (Bengals, Chargers, Jets) discovered, there is no better way to ruin a promising or established quarterback than putting them behind a garbage O-line. One enduring credit to the Packers organization is that they seem to avoid that mistake.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 08:33 am
Greg,
"Zach Tom has been good enough at RT to pretty much end any consideration of him moving"
He's played GREAT! Is that a good reason not to play the 3 OTs on the bench who were drafted to play OT? One at 6'7", 6'8" and 6'9". #50 was drafted to play C, and his football IQ would be put to best use there. I hope to see a rookie drafted to play C compete for the starting position along with Myers and Zach Tom, right from day 1 of OTAs. May the best man win, no more favoritism.
Only 7 O linemen are returning next season, Gutey needs to draft 3, and they all have to be good. I hope to see them all drafted for the interior, and in early rounds.
jvole
January 10, 2024 at 09:07 am
Good point; there are some big dudes who did not get to play this year. I guess the draft will tell us if the organization thinks they can play.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 09:13 am
Zach Tom wasn't drafted to play center. Zach Tom was a college tackle, and he's a tackle. He's a tackle. He's a tackle. He's a damn good tackle.
BAMABADGER
January 10, 2024 at 09:43 am
FYI, Tom played center until his last two years. He was moved out of necessity and performed beyond expectations at tackle. Due to his under sized frame, football gurus (including NFL.com) projected Tom at center
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 10:41 am
he played center his first year of college ball. he got bigger. he only played three years, and the final two at tackle. look it up. he got drafted as a tackle. has he been a center since? No.
Football gurus - whoa. Even someone on NFL.com? Oh. That and $6 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
Try this out, professional football people in the personnel department of the Green Bay Packers and the coaches on the field say that he's a tackle, and guess what, he's a damn tackle.
BAMABADGER
January 10, 2024 at 04:02 pm
Not the point, he was projected as a center check it out, because of his smaller than typical NFL frame at tackle. Pro-football ain't college. Be happy that Zach Tom can handle every OL position. That is excellent drafting by Gutey. GPG!
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 10:01 am
The guy who drafted him said immediately after doing so that he thought Tom best projects as a C. So he was drafted with his potential a a C in mind at least.
I’ve been a proponent of trying Tom at C this year. If all things were unchanged, I’d still be. Not because he isn’t a good T, but because he may well be more valuable upgrading Myers. Nijman getting snaps at T would have been a better prospect for me than a season of Myers. That’s not going to be an option next year and we know nothing of Jones or Tenuta in real games.
Moving forward, the Tom to C concept will hopefully be rendered moot by new options, but an answer must be found. Myers had his (independently rated) consensus worst game versus the Vikings and the Bears provided zero test at all. Unless he bursts out in the playoffs, Myers needs to be replaced. He’s going into his last year anyway. No one in their right mind would say he’s earned a second contract as a starting C.
Hopefully this draft (or FA) will end the need for a debate over whether Tom can upgrade C. Then the question becomes, is he our best T, or did we draft one early to be the long term LT? If not, is Walker really a better long term prospect than Tom?
Just to add a little confusion, the one IOL who has put together two back to back performances that far outstrip those earlier? Runyon! Particularly of interest is that he’s been rated very highly as a run blocker as well. Has he been carrying a now recovered niggle?
Rhyan has also done well, as oddly though, particularly in pass pro, he’s been less good in run blocking. Is that because of focus or what’s being asked?
Lots of questions. Some may be answered, or at least reframed, in the post season of course.
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:25 am
"No one in their right mind would say he’s earned a second contract as a starting C."
If they don't move Tom to center, it would be a surprise for GB not to resign Myers. Even if they draft a replacement at the center position, we can't afford to think that guy can start on day one!
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 10:42 am
Myers will be back next year, his last in his rookie deal. Draft now. By the way, we started him straight out of the gate. He then got injured.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 10:47 am
One sack allowed vs bears and it wasn't Myers. Somehow, mysteriously Myers and the rest of the line opened holes for 100+ yard rushing performances in consecutive weeks. My memory is Jones gained a lot of yards right up the gut. Myers is a pro center and he's going to be here for a while.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 11:04 am
The Bears not sacking or penetrating has been a season long phenomenon. Using the lack thereof to support Myers’ capability in preventing that is pretty desperate.
In the prior week against a weakened Vikings rush, Myers gave up 6 pressures and a holding penalty. Herman described it as his worst half (first) of the year and perhaps career. PFF rated him in the 30s. That takes some doing in a win.
I get it, you like Myers and always have. If he could play, so would I. I wasn’t fired up about his pick or his play till it became clear he’s no better than ever this summer and since. He’s never been above replacement level over any season and that pretty much a consensus take. He’s just not very good.
GregC
January 10, 2024 at 09:39 am
I've always considered RT to be the second most important position on the O-line, after LT. It's so important to have the edges sealed on pass plays. So I would really be reluctant to move a guy inside when he's played so well at RT. There is room for debate on that one I know.
croatpackfan
January 10, 2024 at 11:42 am
I believe that C position is more valued than RT. LT is important, because he is blocking QB blind side and center is important as "commander" of the OL. He is the one who recognizing possible blitzes or deciding who and whom they will double if necessary. Run gane through middle - that is where C and interior OL becomes important!
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 11:50 am
How do you judge that? It seems to me that Myers has been fine making the line calls, that once the guard play improved beside him (both Jenkins getting healthy, and finding a serviceable right guard) the line play has provided more than adequate time for Love to become the guy he is today. Back-to-back 100 yard games from Aaron Jones also speaks to that. The Bears got gashed thru the middle. It's my understanding that their run D was among the best in the league at the end of the season...
GregC
January 10, 2024 at 01:00 pm
Which position gets drafted higher, and which position makes more money on average? I believe it is RT over center, although I'm not positive and don't have time to look it up right now.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 09:13 am
Walker looked a lot better when he wasn't lined up against Burns, Hunter, or Sweat. I think he's still inconsistent and the Packers' last three opponents had only one quality edge/DE due to injuries...that guy was seeing Tom, mostly.
Still, Walker has looked better than he did early on. I agree: I think the Packers need to be forward-looking and drafting a couple OL. Runyan's not going to be back, and it's a safe bet Nijman will move on, too. That's two guys who fill important roles the the two-deep.
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:27 am
Agreed dobber. Some have said to draft 3. I think they should draft only two and not 7th rounders either. As we know, it takes time for OL to develop/adjust to the NFL.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 11:11 am
I wanted 2 IOL, one of whom being a serious C prospect, last year. I really wanted 3 (2Gs) since we’d no idea if Rhyan. This year we still need that and we need at least a 3rd T as Nijman will be playing somewhere else and we know no more of Tenuta or Jones. Telfort looked like a stretch to me too.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 06:41 pm
Newman and Bakh won't be back. As much as I'd love to see Bakh at 100%, are they really going to do that?
TKWorldWide
January 11, 2024 at 09:46 am
Yup. They definitely have options. Tom could stay at RT, he could move to C to challenge Myers, I’d be curious to see if he’s truly their best tackle, why not try him at LT? Isn’t that where a team’s best tackle lines up? I’d also be curious to see how GB’s staff has graded Walker. Heck, all their linemen. But of course, they are usually pretty guarded when it comes to that stuff.
(No pun intended.)
mnbadger
January 10, 2024 at 12:22 pm
I'm not sold long term on JRJ at RG.
Sean Ryhan is hopefully the Long term answer there.
I haven't watched JMyers enough to have an opinion, but others have stated we may be better served to move on there as well.
If he's okay, I say keep adding nasty big boys to the d-line instead of o-line.
Pack 23 - heifer calves 20!
GPG!
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 06:45 pm
I don't see any way you can just go with Myers at C. At the very least Gutey has to draft early for the position, and have the two compete. I'd like to see Zach Tom in that competition as well. Everything you need at C, he excels at. Maybe he's not better than Myers, maybe he's played RT too long to switch back to C, but the best way to find out is try him at OTAs.
TKWorldWide
January 11, 2024 at 09:42 am
Drafting is a whole lot more compelling when a team doesn’t have multiple, glaring needs.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 08:11 am
...Beside the receivers and Love, the most gratifying thing to watch this year has been the development of the O-line...
The play of the O-line has facilitated the play of Love and Aaron Jones these last games. Without better O-line play, the pressure on Love goes up a couple of notches. Hats off to those uglies and to the coaching that got them playing better.
MainePackFan
January 10, 2024 at 09:43 am
Jordan getting the ball out quick to receivers who are where they are supposed be didn't hurt.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 06:49 pm
Yes, he's become amazingly quick! I haven't seen the O line giving him time for a smoke and a coke. I've seen pressure all up in his grill a split second after he unloads it. Which is WAY better than early season!
Was the improvement due to coaching? And if so, who? I'm inclined to think that if Butkus was a good O line coach for GB, the early problems would not have been there.
MainePackFan
January 11, 2024 at 07:46 am
"Was the improvement due to coaching? And if so, who? "
Without a doubt Clements and MLF have a lot to do with Jordan's turnaround, but the most important thing is JL has gotten the reps. With the reps on tape, there are reference points that the coaches can address .
At the of the day, Jordan Love is a good student. His brain has caught up with his physical talent. In short, the game has slowed down for him.
mrtundra
January 10, 2024 at 08:21 am
They still need depth on the OL. I'd add OT, C for sure, this Draft/ FA period.
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:29 am
OT only if Tenuta and Mt. Caleb don't look like they will plan out for the future. At this point, we don't know but the coaches have a pretty good idea. Also, it also might depend on how the draft falls for OT's. If best player available, then yes draft on OT.
jannesbjornson
January 10, 2024 at 12:41 pm
They have a future in the CFL.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 06:51 pm
You forgot about Telfort. These three are massive human beings! That's 4 OTs, not counting Bakh or Zach Tom.
TKWorldWide
January 10, 2024 at 06:46 am
1. I made a “football move” on my way to the kitchen this morning. Is that a “catch”?
2. Maybe I am a “catch”? (I’ll ask my signif, but I think I already know the answer: eye roll.)
3. Almost FORGOT that after his rough patch, there were doubts about Love’s accuracy. Poof!
4. Embracing the use of motion and the info it yields as well as the confusion it can generate on D has got to be pleasing to MLF. (Who, BTW, is ALSO a highly successful NFL head coach.)
5.GPG!
LeotisHarris
January 10, 2024 at 08:49 am
" I made a “football move” on my way to the kitchen this morning. Is that a “catch”?"
It is a catch *if* you cleared the kitchen doorway without dinging your elbow or shoulder.
10ve 💚
January 10, 2024 at 10:16 am
There's a catch there somewhere...
CheesedDeadHead
January 10, 2024 at 04:45 pm
"1. I made a “football move” on my way to the kitchen this morning. Is that a “catch”?"
Did you report to the SO as an eligible receiver?
Most of my "football moves" in the morning are usually hurdling and stiff arming the dog on my way to the bathroom.
Houndog
January 10, 2024 at 07:00 am
A big "Thanks" for getting the Pack into the playoffs, Al.
Hopefully the Priest or choir director has a TV in their office.
As for;
"Being a Packers fan means you're more nervous on 3rd and 22 than third and five"
That's an understatement. Unfortunately PATs and FGs are now a concern as well, it's playoff time.
NickPerry
January 10, 2024 at 07:17 am
"Unfortunately PATs and FGs are now a concern as well, it's playoff time."
It certainly is. But I think just like his brother by year 2 he'll be deadly accurate. But for the rest of this season and until I see it next season, I'm going to have that SAME feeling in my guts I had in 2012 when Crosby kicked FG's at a 63% success rate...UGH!!
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:11 am
Crosby's rookie year he was 31-39, 71.5% on FG's. He was 48-48, 100% on extra points.
Carlsons rookie year he was 27-33, 81.8% on FG's. He was 34-39, 87% on extra points.
(sidenote, I can't remember what year they moved the extra points back, but I'm sure that has played a part in extra points percentages)
It took Crosby until his 5th year to break 80% on FG's.
These are just the stats part of it. To truly look at what Carlson has or hasn't done you have to watch each kick and look at the operation. On 2 of his most recent misses, the snaps were off target. I am just going to go out on a limb and say that may play a huge part in how accurate the kicks are.
BirdDogUni
January 10, 2024 at 08:36 am
When Crosby was a rookie XPs were like from 19 yards. (He had a good long snapper too.)
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:57 am
Yes they were. I can't remember what year they changed it. I want to say like mid 2010's? I can't remember off the top of my head though.
He had a Goode long snapper for sure.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 10:29 am
It was the 2015 season. The conversion rate had been hovering around 99% and the league wanted to “add some skill” to extra points and also incentivize the 2 point try, which remained at the 2 yard line.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 11:30 am
Thanks CW. I knew it changed somewhere around then, but couldn't remember what year exactly.
Do you know what the completion % it is now compared to what it was before?
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 03:44 pm
Since then, a rough average of 94%.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 08:38 am
Thank you! If you look at his misses, and adjust for how many of them were working from a bad hold, his %is really good. Not that the holder is at fault, he's fielded a lot of inaccurate snaps.
Remember when the long snapper position battle competition came up? We all ignored it. Maybe it deserves some attention in the off-season?
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:57 am
i absolutely believe the LS position needs to be addressed in the offseason again. There have been too many off snaps this year.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 08:55 am
Carlson’s conversion percentage over the regular season is just a tad HIGHER than Crosby’s over his career!
Something to think about.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:59 am
excellent point.
The biggest thing I think Carlson needs to clean up is the extra points. But like I said before some of that is based on the snap and hold too. Clean that operation up and Carlson will clean up his end of things.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 10:21 am
The outlier with Carlson is the extra point rate. That’s got to be a process thing surely? Even odder, it’s not carried over into short field goals.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 10:28 am
aiming is hard. - (confirmed bad putter)
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 06:56 pm
Yes, this is really quirky. Unsettling, even!
And yet his completion % is really good.
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:32 am
Also, you should look at his brother and you can see how he developed after his first and possibly his second year. Our Carlson needs to be coached up and developed.
It is in his blood!
NickPerry
January 10, 2024 at 07:09 am
Rebuilding Year... You and I both Al. I can't recall if I made a prediction of what the Packers record would be at the end of the 2023 season, but the Playoffs weren't something I seriously believed they could make. Perhaps in one of my crazed "Homer" moments I suggested Joe Barry's Defense would lead the way... Hmmm...Crazed IS the correct word.
But what the 2023 season turned out to be was a season with MULTIPLE questions answered, at least IMO.
1) We HAVE out next QB for the future. I still want to see him do it AGAIN next season and go to new levels, but all in all I don't think anyone can dispute Love is The Dude!
2) We have not one but TWO new TEs. This is perhaps one of the biggest, most exciting revelations I've seen this season. Just think if Musgrave can go from rumbling, bumbling, stumbling Luke to 30 and 40 yard seem passes ripped down the middle of the field a regular thing. Speed at that size on a football player is deadly... The Packers now HAVE it.
2 A.) Kraft just might be my favorite rookie. What he did AFTER Musgraves injury after very little playing time prior to Musgraves injury was remarkable. I can't wait for 2024 and all the 22 and 12 personnel formations we'll see. Oh, and he was drafted in the THIRD round. Nice job Gute!
3) The Packers now have WRs galore and IMO Gute's roll of the dice to allow the WRs, TEs, and Jordan Love to all grow together is looking like the right move. After going 2-5 to start maybe not so much, but it sure turned out pretty damn well.
4) Joe Barry is NOT a Defensive Coordinator. He's had 3 opportunity's to do the job and didn't get it done. Matter of fact, he was NEVER even close. I don't give a damn about the last few weeks. Personally I think that was MLF making Joe Barry to be more aggressive. Whenever the season is over, Joe Barry has got to GO!
There's so much more but if I continue I'll be late for work and be even MORE long-winded than I have already. We have 5 picks in the first 100 picks in the 2024 draft and cap dollars to help fill some holes in FA. It's a damn fine time to be a Packers fan!
Untylu1968
January 10, 2024 at 07:26 am
And just wait until our new QB gets together in the off-season with all these young talented catchers of the ball! With that, combined with, hopefully attending OTAs and developing an even better connection with all the receivers, will make for an awesome 2024 season..
A breath of fresh air!
NickPerry
January 10, 2024 at 03:56 pm
Exactly 1968... He did it last year and then every Monday Night after the games he'd have everybody over for dinner and film study.
LOL...I HIGHLY doubt Doubs and Watson even knew which house was Rodgers last season in GB let alone being invited over for dinner and study.
A breath of fresh air is a understatement!
T7Steve
January 10, 2024 at 07:43 am
I only see CHTV when I'm at work. Only get too busy here when something goes wrong. Like the Maytag Man.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 08:24 am
...Joe Barry is NOT a Defensive Coordinator...
Unfortunately, he is and he probably will continue to be our DC for another year at least. Frankly, he is the same type of DC going back to Bob Sanders. Why? I think that the type of players drafted and the 3-4 make us more prevent. If Gutekunst made us stronger/more talented on the D-line this might change. More pocket collapse by our D-line (and weaker QBs) has been the difference these last games.
Get ready for more Joe in 2024.
Untylu1968
January 10, 2024 at 08:34 am
Not that it will happen, but maybe a light will come on, and they'll realize that change is needed..? If not to the coordinator, then maybe the scheme.
In no way do I want Barry back, but if he is, our draft approach should be an indicator of our future plans.
jont
January 10, 2024 at 10:12 am
Nobody wants a Joe Berry thread, but did you see Preston Smith's comment the other day?
“Joe B’s been dialing it up,” outside linebacker Preston Smith said Sunday after the Packers’ 17-9 victory over the Chicago Bears. “He gets a lot of hell in the media. But we’ve come together. We play for Joe B. just like he comes every day to coach us. He comes with the energy that no matter what’s going on, we’ve got this together and we are all together.”
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 10:39 am
What did Jaire say?
Johnblood27
January 10, 2024 at 11:32 am
hopefully goodbye...
...or nothing at all!
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 11:43 am
It's hard for folks when a precious narrative goes sideways. I've always professed that Barry was just doing MLF's bidding, and that the responsibility is the head coach's.
If the Packers somehow get thru Sunday with a win, Joe Barry deserves to come back. Hell, even if they just play respectably.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 03:50 pm
No. We’ve played that game before more than once only to see the coin flip back in the playoffs or regular season.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me, fool me thrice …. No thank you.
Swisch
January 10, 2024 at 02:36 pm
If Barry's defense is dominant during the next three or four games in the playoffs, I'd sincerely consider keeping him aboard as defensive coordinator.
I'm sticking with my take of not being impressed with Barry for the Bears game, but I'm also open to the possibility that I may have been too hard on him about that game.
In general, I'd be glad to be wrong about Barry, but something dramatically impressive would have to come from our defense in these playoffs for me to change my mind about firing him.
It would be quite a feat for Barry to overcome the trio of fiascos so recently against Devito/Mayfield/Stroud. I don't think it's fair for us elderly fans to have our heart health and mental health put through such agonies of ineptitude.
Since Barry is with us for the playoffs, though, I hope he does fantastically well in leading Preston Smith and the others.
In some cases, it's good to be wrong.
jont
January 10, 2024 at 05:23 pm
"I don't think it's fair for us elderly fans to have our heart ...."
Hey, pal, I resemble that remark!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 10, 2024 at 08:27 am
Nick,
Interestingly enough I called the Packers record this year at 9 victories, but frankly, I don't recall seriously considering them being in the playoffs. What an accomplishment! I do think the Packers can surprise this year in the playoffs if they can get past Dallas but that is a huge undertaking. However, what I think the playoff berth does is set this young Packer team up nicely for next year with them now realizing they have a playoff-caliber team even with 17 rookies.
I saw today that the Packers have the 4th highest draft capital to work with in the league next year just behind Chicago. That is amazing and a real testament to Gutey. This is just crazy after everything Gutey has accomplished in the past two drafts combined with how well the team did this season. With some more hard work and a little luck in how the draft unfolds the Packers can truly be a force in 2024 and beyond.
More and more I have come to believe the Packers do NOT need to draft another WR in the upcoming draft because if they do then they will have to cut one of our promising receivers, plus we still do not know what we have in Dubose. I much prefer Love has 'a lot' of good WR's and TE's to throw and spread the ball around versus forcing the ball to one receiver aka Sharpe/Adams. This keeps the defense honest forcing them to honor the whole field making it easier on Love finding the open man. I am also confident this approach allows for better team camaraderie.
I remain fast in believing the Packers need a couple of very good OL, as well as a couple of very good DL early in the draft. While the OL has been impressive in the past half-dozen games there is a big drop-off in talent should one or two starting OL get hurt. On top of that Clark is not getting any younger. Of course, as part of the wish list, a good RB early is necessary, and somewhere along the way picking up another Safety and CB is necessary.
I am truly excited about Tucker and Musgrave (both are favorites of mine) and the ability of the Packers to run a lot of 12 personnel with the talent of these two guys. However, here is my surprise thought of the day. What is the Packer's plan on how often they will want to run the 12-personnel offense in 2024 with all the obvious talent they have with Musgrave and Tucker? Depending on that answer then I believe the drafting of another quality TE vs a WR might be the way the Packers should think entering the upcoming draft. Deguara needs to go and Sims while adequate would be a significant drop-off in talent from Tucker and Musgrave affecting any consistent 12-personnel offense. Yes, we already have more talent at TE than possibly ever before but we have seen what happens when one of these TE's gets injured. The question comes down to just how much the Packers plan/want to run the 12 personnel offense in 2024?
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:37 am
Knock, remember that we had another TE on the team last year that was pretty good and an excellent ST'er but he had been injured all year. Can't remember his name but he will be back. Otherwise, I am pretty much in agreement with your draft plans except we need to address Safety and possibly CB.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 11:19 am
Tyler Davis. He’d become a decent blocker but Sims might give him a run and offer more offensively? I doubt Deguara is back. Do they still need a HBack or full back at all?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2024 at 11:09 am
My answer is absolutely no! With the quality they have at TE it's a game changer IMO. Reason why wondering whether Gutey should go after another top notch TE to ensure minimum drop off due to injury to Musgrave or Tucker, but also serve as a strong ST guy. Should Gutey go this direction in April 2024 instead of being shocked 😲 recognize the possible reason why he is adding to an already strong TE room. Wouldn't necessarily have to be a flex tight-end, or even a hybrid. While I like idea of a very mobile hybrid TE on offense & ST's I'd be very open to an extremely talented in-line blocking TE similar to Mercedes.
Leatherhead
January 10, 2024 at 01:37 pm
"" Joe Barry is NOT a Defensive Coordinator. He's had 3 opportunity's to do the job and didn't get it done. Matter of fact, he was NEVER even close.:""
This is nonsense. In 3 years in Green Bay, the Packers have finished 13th, 17th, and 10th in scoring defense. I'll give you some time to do some research on all the defensive coordinators who've done better than that over the last three years. You don't like him,that's fine, and he's a far cry from perfect, but let me share this with you:
In 2021, we lost three games where the defense gave up over 30 points, and we lost two games where we held the opponent under 13, and we lost two games where the opponent scored 13. One of those was Love's debut against KC, and one of them was the lone playoff game against SF, where the defense held KC without a TD . I'm not really seeing what was so horrible about that 2021 team.
In 2022, last year, we gave up 27 four times, and lost them all. We also gave up 40 to Philly after we gifted them 14 points. We lost to Minnesota and Washington in games where we gave up 23. We held the other 8 opponents to 20 or less. This was probably the worst season we had under Barry, we finished 17 in scoring defense, but we weren't as good as the previous season.
Or this season, 2023. We gave up 34 to Detroit and Tampa. We weren't very good those games, no argument. They were both at home and we played poorly. The Detroit game was early in the season, but the Tampa game was during a playoff run where we were going to need every win we could get.
We also gave up 30 to the Panthers and won. Then we lost 4 games where we gave up 23-25 points. Everybody else was held to 22 or less and we went 8-2, with the 2 being @ Denver (19) and @LV (17) The average score in the NFL this year was 21.8 (figure 22), and the defense is near or below that average. In 52 games, most of our opponents have been held near that or under that. Only a very few have scored over 30 on the Packers during Barry's tender.
So, if you think you can just go down to Wal-Mart and find somebody who is likely to be better than that, you might want to rethink. And is that guy available? And is that guy somebody who would fit into the organization? And what about the guys like Preston Smith who are playing their guts out for Barry? Tell them you don't give a shit?
I was really frustrated after the Tampa game. We'd lost a game we could have won in NY, and then we laid that Cleveland Steamer at Lambeau. But after I calmed down a little bit, I took stock of who was on the field for us in that game: Owens, Valentine and Ford were on the field for every snap. Devondre Campbell played, not well and apparently hurt, every snap except one.
That's our top 4 defenders. Then Walker, Stokes (coming off a big injury).Nixon and Clark were on the field 70% of the time or more. That's our main 8 guys, and other than Clark, I'm not seeing a lot.
Then, Gary, Smith, Wyatt and Slaton all played around 60% of the snaps, because they're part of rotations designed to keep guys fresh. These are some pretty good players, but none of them are in the secondary. Round it off with Brooks, Wooden, and Van Ness and Ballantine, and it starts to look like me that we don't have anybody on the field who can cover (I think TGR said that same thing).
You can't make chicken salad out of chicken feathers, and I'm sure these guys did their best but we just didn't have the horses to cover these guys. Mike Evans is good. Godwin and Palmer and Otten are good. Mayfield was the top pick in the draft. It was a perfect storm.
Personally, I don't care who the DC is next year, but I'm saying that it's unlikely we're going to get anybody who's a solid bet to be better than Barry. You're rolling the dice here. I'd wait until after the Dallas game before I decided to fire him or not.
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 07:24 am
Well, I must apologize to many of you. I was one of those who said that we were rebuilding in 2023. Who could blame me with us no longer having Rodgers, getting rid of so many veterans and playing all of these young guys.
I am so glad I was wrong. What an exciting team to watch especially the offense. Disappointed overall with the defense but at times they look very good. Come on Barry, I apologized how about you?
Oppy
January 10, 2024 at 08:04 am
Nothing to apologize for, you weren't wrong, we are rebuilding.
How anyone could say this isn't rebuilding is beyond me.
We shed our long time, future HoF franchise QB and transitioned to a new, young QB who looks to be the future of the franchise.
We shed a great number of vet starters and have replaced them with an abundance of fresh, talented youth- particularly the offense.
This is a rebuild. Rebuild isn't a dirty word. Rebuild does not mean you can't be successful.
This is a successful first step in the rebuild.
MainePackFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:45 am
Agreed Oppy. I think most of us were just hoping to see this team improve as the season went on. We wanted to see Jordan show he is our future QB1. That in itself would have made this season a success. Safe to say, those questions have been answered.
I must admit, the playoffs are an unexpected bonus. I will keep my expectations low for this Sunday. Low expectations have served us well so far, why change it?
Oppy
January 10, 2024 at 08:52 am
I was very boldly proclaiming an 11-6 season before 2023 kicked off.
I knew it was lofty and ambitious, but I thought if things fell just right, and the team gelled around the 1/2 to 3/4 mark, who knows.
There's no fun in making safe predictions, lol.
That being said.. it turned out, it really wasn't outside the realm of possibility in retrospect.
Where this team seems to be right now, I would not have expected until at least mid 2024 or later. Really pleasant surprise.
MainePackFan
January 10, 2024 at 09:06 am
They could/should have beaten the Falcons, Raiders, Broncos, Steelers and Giants, making your bold prediction an underestimate ; )
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 07:03 pm
All those games were in fact winnable. What we've seen is the offense go from inconsistently worse than expected, to consistently better than expected for any part of this season. And that's really due to the WHOLE offense! An absolutely stunning turnaround, with JL10 still the undisputed leader.
I do believe that the talent on defense can do that. Yes they need help at DB and ILB. I wonder what they'd look like with a hybrid in that role? I wouldn't be upset if Gutey drafts for that early ... people talking FA, that might be a good spot for a star FA but I don't see how there's cap space for that. It'll be a struggle just to bring back the players we want.
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:38 am
Oppy, I feel whole again!
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:26 am
"Well, I must apologize to many of you. I was one of those who said that we were rebuilding in 2023."
Nothing to apologize for, and you were correct. We did rebuild in 2023. Its just that the rebuild went faster then expected. The youngest team in the league grew up before our eyes.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 08:31 am
Funny how the rebuilding has re-energized many of us fans. Glad what Rodgers gave us through his career - glad that we moved on. Excited for the young guys and glad that we are finally starting to see the Matt Lafleur Packers. The emergence of Love has been the difference maker in all this change. Without his performance we are all questioning the wisdom of the organization and personnel on the field.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 09:31 am
The ongoing questions and drama surrounding this team the last couple years was deflating.
There are still questions, but far less drama...at least for now.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 10:36 am
With Love emerging, plus the plethora of others at catching positions, we no longer have “how long can we maintain this” as a theme, but “how far can these guys go?”
It is much more exciting to be climbing than hoping to put off the drop. Some of us felt that this off season, for some it’s needed to be more tangible. We are rising, but not yet ascended, but it’s so much more fun getting better than hoping not to get any worse.
Johnblood27
January 10, 2024 at 11:37 am
You have become the Poet Laureate of CHTV with that post!
Nice work Coldwater!
Tundraboy
January 10, 2024 at 04:23 pm
Absolutely
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 12:41 pm
In the end, it's looking like we've been spared the cold, dark hell of a deep rebuild where you languish in the 4-6 win region for a decade or more years and over several coaching regimes.
That, in and of itself, is remarkable...and probably what's pissing off Bears and Lions fans.
Tundraboy
January 10, 2024 at 04:25 pm
Yes! What team rebuilds and improves their record and fortune in a matter of months? The Grern Bay Packers! That's who.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 10, 2024 at 08:46 am
Hawk,
The mere fact you acknowledge having been wrong is 'cool' and worthy of an upvote!
Many more should follow your lead!
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 07:25 am
Al, you state that you are going to a wedding in Florida. I live here and I am just wondering what part of Florida you will be in 2 weeks? Thanks.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 07:36 am
I mean, How close are you to the groom really? They'd understand if you missed part of the wedding right?
improbable circumstances the Packers had to overcome this year -
Its truly insane how much this team had to overcome. Hell half way through the season many were hoping to tank for a higher draft pick.
Currently on their 53 man roster they have 16 rookies, 3 1st year players, 9 2nd year players. So currently 28 of the 53 roster spots are 2nd year players and younger. In terms of percentages that is 53% of the roster.
The coaches deserve a ton of credit for helping these young players succeed.
Referees -
It was great seeing very few penalties. Its the way the game should be called. However there are some that just simply have to be called. Clark was tackled on a play which was a bigger run for Fields. And there were the punches thrown by Bears players. Those should have been penalties.
"Speaking of referees, can anyone tell me what really constitutes a catch in the NFL?"
Clearly this has become way to hard. I'm fine with going to the if it hits the ground no matter what its a drop. However just knowing how it goes, the refs will mess that up too. There was a play a few weeks ago where Heath caught the ball. He had 2 feet down in the endzone and his 3rd was coming down when the ball got punched out. How is that not a catch? 2 feet down in the end zone should be a catch.
"Being a Packers fan means you're more nervous on 3rd and 22 than third and five."
No lies here. We get 2nd and 20 plus, I am almost guaranteeing we give up a first down. i wish there were stats for that. I bet we would have given up the most first downs on 2nd and 20 plus.
Oppy
January 10, 2024 at 08:24 am
Re: Heath's TD confusion.
The confusion with catches in the endzone comes from the fact that it seems different than runs into the endzone.
Carries into the endzone (or catches made outside of the endzone that are then run in to the endzone) are touchdowns the instant the vertical plane of the goal line is broken. So if a player so much as reaches out the ball and it breaks the plane, it's a touchdown. It doesn't matter if the ball is immediately punched out, dropped, or fumbled after that. It's still a touchdown.
So why is there all this nonsense with catches in the endzone? That seems to be the main issue that perplexes fans. The difference between carrying the ball into the endzone, or catching the ball while already inside the enzone, comes down to the establishment of possession.
When a RB or QB runs the ball into the endzone, or a receiver catches a ball outside of the endzone then runs it in after the catch- possession of the ball has already been established. If you have possession of the football and you so much as break the vertical plane of the goal line (or hit the pylon), boom, it's a touchdown.
When a pass is thrown into the endzone, the receiver must establish possession of the football before a touchdown can be ruled. If a player doesn't possess the ball, how can he score a touchdown? That's it. That's all there is to it. The rules that dictate when a receiver has possession of a pass are the same in the end zone as they are on the 100 yards of field between them. Sure, they are scrutinized more, but it's the same rules.
If fans start thinking in terms of, "A touchdown is scored when a player has established legal possession of the football while entering or within the endzone", it would clear up a lot of the confusion.
The "football move" part of the equation in determining possession is what sunk Malik's TD that you speak of. He Neither went to the ground while maintaining possession or complete a "football move"- a full step or two, a spin, etc- while still maintaining possession.
Fans- including myself- don't like the overly technical aspect of the rules that dictate what constitutes possession after receiving a pass in the NFL, but I don't think they are convoluted or that anything is a mystery.. and how those rules apply to catches in the endzone vs. runners carrying a ball into the endzone has become an area of confusion among fans that really shouldn't be.
Demonstrate possession of the ball and get into the endzone. That's it.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:54 am
I get the difference between carrying the ball over the plan with possession and gaining possession.
The whole question comes down to what is possession of the ball. The possession requires 2 feet down and a football move. If it requires 2 feet down and a football move, how can a player have possession if they catch it along the sidelines and barely get 2 toes in? So how is that a catch, yet the play like Heaths where he almost has 3 feet down, not count? And when I say almost had 3 feet down, it was within milliseconds of being down when it got punched out.
Now there are plays like Moore's that was somehow ruled a catch after replay. Unless they had a different angle, the angles I saw the ball hit the ground. Also the one angle that I have seen come up, you can't see if the ball hit the ground or not as there was a player in the way. And the Melton play. He clearly trapped the ball against his leg before going out of bounds and before hitting the ground. The ball never moved once it touched the ground which is supposed to be allowed.
My part in all of this. They need to be more consistent and they need to do a better job of determining what an actual catch is. They have done better with 2 feet down and a move. But they need to do better especially in the end zone.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 11:28 am
It’s to the point where I’ve got no idea watching replays. This whole “when was possession established” concept is a mess. I agreed at the time on both Melton’s and Moore’s being wrong. Any simple rule would drop scoring considerably though.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 11:33 am
I really have no idea either. I think the one thing that remains is that if it goes to review they will almost always go with what the call was on the field, no matter if it was right or wrong.
Johnblood27
January 10, 2024 at 11:45 am
nice Oppy!
Now, please address the punching that goes on.
My understanding is that punching another player is not allowed. Period.
If a player takes a punch and misses the ball and hits any part of a player or his equipment, he should be flagged. I could argue that even if a player punches the ball he is in violation of the rules as written.
Peanut Tilman was a cheater and his cheating has become routine to the detriment of the sport.
This is one of my pet peeves with todays NFL, Just one of many...
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 08:39 am
...The coaches deserve a ton of credit for helping these young players succeed...
So, so true. When we were floundering through the Giants, Tampa Bay and Carolina, I couldn't see the forest for the trees. As a fan yelling for someone to "get out of bounds" or "contain the QB", I don't know what is going into the daily/nightly development of players and plans. With this amount of 1st and 2nd year players the coaches must have been working their asses off to get the boys on any page - let alone the same page. Big kudos to the coaches and training staff.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 09:28 am
You point at the Giants, and I'll remind everyone that they and Brian Daboll were media darlings in 2022--it got Danny Jones a big contract and people thought they were an ascending team.
Whoops. Now their DC is gone, Daboll is on the hot seat, and people don't know if Jones can be the guy or how that Jones contract is going to be a weight around the organization's neck.
In the end, it's all about trajectory. Enjoy the ride, but whenever it ends, everything has to be all about keeping the arrow pointing up for this team. This is why they need to move on from Barry. This is why they need a very smart draft. Keep it moving forward.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 09:48 am
...In the end, it's all about trajectory. Enjoy the ride, but whenever it ends, everything has to be all about keeping the arrow pointing up for this team. This is why they need to move on from Barry. This is why they need a very smart draft. Keep it moving forward...
Enjoy the ride indeed. Next game, next year teams will have a plan for the Packers and performance pressure will be high. Maybe the newness and unexpected is what has made this year so enjoyable.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 10:21 am
Barry has to go no matter what. And I believe he will be gone.
Coldworld
January 10, 2024 at 10:53 am
If you want to win in this league of parity, you need some luck, talent, health and to minimize any internal anchors holding your team back. One aspect of that is coaching, developmentally, tactically and in getting the most from the best combinations of players possible.
Failure to root out such weaknesses has undone many Head Coaches. It’s no guarantee that change is successful but not seeking to improve is a virtual guarantee that one won’t succeed. Keeping Barry rationally would require us to believe that he’s had done internal awakening that’s changed his whole vision and approach from prior years, unlocking his previously latent genius.
Does anyone think there’s evidence of that? Without it, retaining him is both accepting the barely adequate (at best) and demonstrating that his leader lacks what it almost always takes to win out. It’s hard enough with a great coach, by design.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 10:18 am
There will always be ups and downs. But taking a step back and looking at where these players started to where they are today, its night and day different. I mean 16 rookies on the 53 and they still made the playoffs. over half the roster are 2nd year and younger. Just an impressive job overall.
And that is with a 1st year starting QB.
To me its just impressive with how good these young players have looked.
T7Steve
January 10, 2024 at 07:39 am
I thought weddings were on Saturdays for family and guests traveling from out of town? Saturday could be these peoples sabbath, I guess.
If they had scheduled it for a Saturday Al, guess when the game would have been played?
Have fun and bring us some more of your luck.
barutanseijin
January 10, 2024 at 10:29 am
Monday is a public holiday , MLK day. That’s probably the reason the wedding is on Sunday. It’s the middle of a three day weekend.
T7Steve
January 10, 2024 at 02:59 pm
Thanks. I didn't think of that.
HarryHodag
January 10, 2024 at 08:05 am
This year will go down in the annals of Packers fandom as one of the top 10 years in team history? Why? Because going into the year you could easily see 3-14 yet a young, hungry team proved they would not be put down.
I remember Matt LF saying it was not accurate that we hadn't seen his offense during the Aaron Rodgers era. Well, we saw the offense run like it was intended and we all saw the results.
Never forget how banged up this team was nearly all season. All the mix and match hardly set anything back, especially among the receiving corps.
The defense remains Jekyll and Hyde. But even with a number of injuries and goofy alignments they hung in there and came through when it counted.
I'm encouraged, especially with lots of high round draft picks available this April.
Win or lose Sunday to quote Timbuk 3--"The future is so bright I gotta wear shades"
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:49 am
Harry, ' Jekyll and Hyde' is the perfect analogy of GB's defense the past two years.
Very well done!
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 12:47 pm
...and, honestly, it's why this late run by the defense now--as last season--doesn't mean much.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2024 at 11:15 am
Remember the year Majkowski became the Magic Man? Might Jordan Love end up with the same moniker after he has a great game leading us past the Cowboys? 😉
SinceLombardi
January 10, 2024 at 08:09 am
Any bride worth her salt would make sure her new husband and father in law had a tv at the reception.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 08:42 am
Maybe she is a Bears fan. Lord help them!
Johnblood27
January 10, 2024 at 11:48 am
If this is true, just call the damn thing off!!!
Swisch
January 10, 2024 at 02:58 pm
Depending on the itinerary of events associated with the wedding, maybe the Packers fans in the group could slip away at about 6 p.m. for the last quarter or so of the game.
In other words, if the reception has started, taking an hour away wouldn't seem to be all that noticeable of an interruption.
You just happen to be socializing with the football fans in attendance during that interval. There would still be plenty of time left for socializing with the non-football fans -- those poor, sad people. What do they have to talk about, anyway?
tobinrote
January 10, 2024 at 08:11 am
just ask yourself when you were a kid whether you knew and your friends and enemies knew when you had caught the ball. we all knew. only the nfl rulebook could screw this up the way they have, though we surely have benefited from the over legalization of the catch rules, as when Dez Bryant got denied his "catch" some years ago.
and let's go a little bit more lightly in praising Love who i fear we are jinxing. He indeed has been playing very well in the past few weeks, and he has played well enough that we do not need to draft a qb in the early rounds this year but can address other needs.
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:52 am
Or when Megatron was denied his catch against the bears 10 years ago or so. At that time, I thought I understood what a catch was but after that I am so confused still to this day. I think i know what 'control' is but after watching Megatron, I really don't know!
MainePackFan
January 10, 2024 at 08:14 am
Have fun at the wedding Al. Just make sure you're available next week when they play the 49ers !!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2024 at 11:17 am
😉
porupack
January 10, 2024 at 08:16 am
Nice conversation starter, Mr. JerseyAl. Yeah, ha ha, we certainly get that 3rd and 22 and the infamous 4th and 26 thing.
Yes, the 2023 season will be a fun story, but probably will be shortlived. I love the receiver corps. I think GB assembled the best collection of a near interchangeable corps of receivers not unlike the group of Jennings, Jordy, Driver, etc. We can't yet predict that this corp will produce any top 3 standouts such as DAdams, Kupp, or THill, but the strength will be that they all may be showing to be at least in the 10th-20th rankings of WRs, and spreading the ball around to 3-4 1B receivers plus 1-2 1B TEs plus a top catching RB is a brilliant plan to engineer the most creativity against diverse opponents and hedge for mid season injuries. Maybe only the 2023 4ers have assembled a decade leading pool of top WRs/TE/RB skill position group....on top of a miraculous appearance of Brock Purdy. How 49ers can lose any game is hardly believable, but a testament to the beauty of the game; anyone can beat anyone any given Sunday.
JReed and DWicks remind me a little of the tough and gutsey determination of the combo of Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk. They are fun to watch play.
Handsback
January 10, 2024 at 08:23 am
I have enjoyed this season so much because of the team's makeup. A bunch of young guys trying to figure out how to play together.
Playoffs, were a dream. Maybe a bridge too far in my opinion. MLF is to be congratulated for a terrific season. If he doesn't win coach of the year...then write your congressperson. He deserves it! I could say some negative stuff about the D but I'll leave that to others.
As far as the Dallas game, I have always liked MM but sure hope the Pack can pull one more rabbit out of their hat.
JMHO
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:57 am
Hands, I agree that overall LaFleur has done a good job of coaching this year and I realize that he should get better as there are a few things he can do a lot better. I believe we all know what these things are and I don't need to discuss these further.
Make the right decisions moving forward Matt!
SpikeHyzer
January 10, 2024 at 08:32 am
I disagree about the definition of a catch and the DJ Moore example. Players are so big these days that a catch should be as soon as both hands are on the ball, with NO requirement to pull it into the body or complete the catch to the ground. It's all about CONTROL, and control IS established as soon as the modern athlete has both hands on the ball.
However, I'm sure that the NFL has looked at plays like this and realized that those balls get knocked loose constantly and the game would be rife with TOs if that were how the rule is interpreted. Indeed, the catch by Melton should have also been legit because he HAD pinned it to his leg and controlled it throughout. Until he rolled a little and the ball touched the ground. But at no point during that catch did he ever lose contact with it with either his hands or upper thigh. Seems legit to me.
Johnblood27
January 10, 2024 at 11:51 am
what about one handed catches?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2024 at 11:22 am
Particularly in the end zone! In the end zone a TD is anytime the ball breaks the plane, or even if the pylon is touched. Mo had possession of the ball in the end zone with his full body inside far longer than simply 'breaking the plane, or touching the pylon'.
BirdDogUni
January 10, 2024 at 08:40 am
Where are all the haters? ;P
HawkPacker
January 10, 2024 at 10:58 am
Are they now lovers?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2024 at 11:24 am
Sitting in a corner with tail between legs hoping with time (maybe next year) we all forget. Not happening!
Tongue-in-cheek...
Leatherhead
January 11, 2024 at 12:38 pm
BDU. They're waiting for a loss, of course. Then they can point out that they were right all along about whatever it is they feel like...Murphy, Gutekunst, Ball, LaFleur, Barry, Butkus, or any of our players that just aren't "good enough" in their eyes.
LeotisHarris
January 10, 2024 at 08:54 am
I'm happy for Jordan and looking forward to Sunday. I didn't think we'd make the playoffs this season, but I had faith being patient with Love would pay off.
Our friends Edp_____ and wildbill with their"Kizer2.0" and "Hundley" comparisons have been awfully quiet. Happy New Year, guys!
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 08:55 am
Lot of backslapping after the Vikings and Bears relegation. Dallas is a good football team with a real NFL QB. I simply want the boys to play hard and compete for every yard. If we have a good game plan and the guys are assignment sure we have just as good a chance to win this as the Cowboys. Either way, we should bloody their noses and leave with our heads high.
We need to survive the early game home field excitement and get on that scoreboard. After that, our O-line and D-line need to have the games of their lives - this will dictate what Dak will be able to do and what Aaron Jones will be able to do.
jannesbjornson
January 10, 2024 at 01:14 pm
Score more points. I had these guys at 10-7 for the season. Keep Winning and don't look back...
Packers0808
January 10, 2024 at 08:56 am
Packers should try and talk Robbie Gold out of retirement for playoffs, kicking game scares the crap out of me every time it steps on the field for KO and FG's!
LeotisHarris
January 10, 2024 at 03:47 pm
Not saying you're wrong, but I just don't see it. ::shrug::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOV3rDvSRIw
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 05:23 pm
bottom feeder
Packers0808
January 10, 2024 at 09:24 pm
Why you call yourself such a name? Explain please!
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 10:28 pm
i didn't say that for you. he gets it.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 09:05 am
...The Packers traded Aaron Rodgers, let 8 starters walk in free agency, had no money to sign any significant free agents, had 12 draft picks make the roster (11 the prior year), started over on special teams, lost their All-Pro LT week 1...
This a remarkable perspective on the season. I have questioned Gutekunst's drafts and hoped for more big body and RB investment but how do you argue with this. And, most of us have waivered in our faith in this coaching staff, but again, how do you argue with this. More than anything I have grown to enjoy watching the team develop. It has been excitement more than expectation. And thankfully the drama has left the building.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 09:38 am
"The Packers traded Aaron Rodgers, let 8 starters walk in free agency, had no money to sign any significant free agents....and got better"
I'm reminded of what my lab mentor used to tell me about designing experiments. When you're trying to optimize something, you isolate variables and to test them one at a time and optimize incrementally. Meaning: you don't change everything at once because if you do, it might be that one change made a huge gain, but all the others dragged you back down and gives you hard-to-interpret results.
Sports franchises are all about poor experimental design--by necessity. House-cleanings are tough. You throw out a lot of stuff and bring in a lot of new pieces, but it's hard to tell which made the most difference, sometimes. It just makes me all the more thankful when you see a net gain and a real, meaningful growth trajectory when it all could have swirled the drain.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 10:03 am
Same was true for me in database design. Too many changes introduced too many factors and unintended impacts - the biggest of which invoIved people adapting to change. I think that moving on from Rodgers was the necessary step. The grooming of Jordan Love was in lock step to the first step. Of course, these are people surrounded by people who together must form a new entity that is better than what it is being replacing. Talk about an inexact science.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2024 at 11:27 am
Ummmm...dobber...can you try splaining that once again? 😉 😜
Llew
January 10, 2024 at 09:05 am
A sad thought....what might have been if "12" had been able to check his ego at the door and run the MLF's offense.
jannesbjornson
January 10, 2024 at 01:19 pm
Didn't have the speed at the receiver position, or the TEs. They gave him one year too many and the body fell apart.
LeotisHarris
January 10, 2024 at 07:15 pm
Yeah, BUT, you know, Big Dog and Cobbie, and Lazard are guys you can win with, great locker room guys, and rookie WRs need to learn semaphore and American Sign Language or they won't pass the Trust Test and then everything's ruined! RUINED!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2024 at 11:33 am
Don't disagree but he had favorites and even he is on record of saying 80 percent of passes were to go thru Adam's. The beauty of Love is spreading the ball around to open spots forcing a defense to guard the whole field.
Projecting ridiculously 'way down the road' regardless of comparing career QB stats will Love if he continues spreading the ball all around the field how many SB's does he end up with this approach?
NFLfan
January 10, 2024 at 09:35 am
We will have to be patient and allow the guys to get their jitters out and just play hard. As Razor mentioned, Dallas has a real QB, they are @ home and someone(s) needs to deal with Micah Parsons and CeeDee Lamb-all game long.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 09:41 am
I would say, "the same guys who dealt with Danielle Hunter/Montez Sweat, and Justin Jefferson/DJ Moore"--but the supporting cast in this case is much better.
It's going to be hard. I honestly think the Packers will get boat-raced this week. I hope not, but the Packers are playing with house money here and I'll watch and enjoy the game probably far more than any other playoff game in recent memory.
MainePackFan
January 10, 2024 at 10:03 am
The Cowboys are averaging over 37pts a game at home this year. It's going to be a real challenge for the offense to keep up. Your boat-race prediction isn't unfounded. The Lions held them to 20pts so there is hope.
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 10:20 am
Survive the 1st quarter and settle into our gameplan should make this a Detroit type of game with a chance to slay the dragon in their den. Would be a good time for Alexander or Gary to show up with a big play or two.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 07:42 pm
Find that defensive turnovers have been building, and they get about 27 of them Sunday! "So you're saying there's a chance?" A heckuva defensive challenge. Can the defensive coordinator coordinate? Be over ridden?
Having some players recover would help a lot.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2024 at 11:27 am
Cowboys are averaging 37 points per game at home this year.
But lets break this down a bit.
They are in the East division. They play the Commanders, the Eagles and the Giants.
-They scored a combined 83 points against the Commanders this year. At home they scored 45 against them. The Commanders are the 32nd ranked team in defensive scoring.
-They scored a combined 56 points against the Eagles this year. At home they scored 33 against them. The Eagles the 30th ranked team in defensive scoring.
-They scored a combined 89 points against the Giants this year. At home they scored 49 against them. The Giants are the 26th ranked team in defensive scoring.
They put up a lot of points against these teams, but all 3 of them were not good defensively this year.
The other defenses they have played at home this year are: Jets (#12 ranked scoring defense), Patriots (#15), Rams (#19), Seahawks (#25), Lions (#23)
Lets compare that to the defenses they have faced on the road. Cardinals (#31), (49ers #3), Chargers (#24), Panthers (#29), Bills (#4), Dolphins (#22)
As you said the Lions held them to 20. The week before the Dolphins on the road also held them to 20. Both of those defenses rank 22 and 23 in scoring. They faced 2 top 10 in defensive scoring. They scored 10 points against the 49ers, and 10 points against the Bills.
The last 4 games they have faced the #4 (10 points), #22 (20 points), #23 (20 points) and #32 (38 points) ranked defenses. They have averaged 22 points the last month.
The reason why I bring up the rankings. The Packers finished 10th this year. I don't know how but they did.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 12:05 pm
Outstanding post RC. Add in the pressure on Dallas, Prescott's propensity to self-destruct in pressure and all the makings for an upset are in place.
MainePackFan
January 10, 2024 at 12:57 pm
Good breakdown RC.
Three of their last four games were on the road. Their road offense is only averaging 23.3 pts a game. My point was how much better their offense is at home, and why that will be a challenge for the Packers. If this game was at Lambeau, I would feel a lot better.
In addition, their defense is allowing just under 16pts a game at home. The Cowboys are 8-0 at home with an average score of 37-16. They're without a doubt a tougher matchup at home.
That doesn't mean the Pack can't beat them, but they will have to play mistake-free football. The Detroit game was encouraging because it showed there are holes in the Cowboys game, even at home.
If Jordan continues playing like he has, the o-line holds up, and the defense plays the way they have the last couple weeks, the Packers can make this a very competitive game.
A big key will be the first minutes of the game when the crowd is going crazy. Win the toss, take the ball, methodically drive it down the field and score a touchdown. Game on!!
Coldworld
January 11, 2024 at 08:56 am
When the Cowboys have lost they’ve been successfully run on heavily. Partly that minimizes their time of possession, but just as critically it prevents their D playing as it wants to and does best in the secondary and limits their powerful rush. If Jones can run effectively early, then this game opens up dramatically.
Johnblood27
January 10, 2024 at 11:55 am
Maybe the LOLions held them to 20, but the cowpie kneecaps were demolished!
Leatherhead
January 10, 2024 at 11:07 am
OK dobber, I'll bet a six pack of Pabst on the boat race thing. The Packers haven't been outclassed very many times this season.....even the losses were mostly close losses. We beat KC and the Lions, both of whom are at a similar level to Dallas.
I live here, so I watch Cowboy games. I've felt all season that Dallas and SF were the two best teams in the NFC , and I still do. But I've also seen Dallas shoot themselves in the foot over and over. They lost two Arizona by two TDs. SF beat them by over 30. They had two games where opponents got well over 200 yards rushing against them (and we all know how critically important it is to stuff the run.)
I think the Packers have their work cut out for them and they'll have to play their best game of the year. I'm not expecting us to get crushed.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 12:08 pm
Does anyone in Dallas trust Dak Prescott in a big game? One or two turnovers and this thing could get really ugly for Dallas. I do think McCarthy has improved Dak, but when the pressure goes up, people tend to revert to form.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 12:58 pm
I hope you're right! I sure don't want to see a three-possession game at halftime...or when the final gun sounds. Unless the Packers are ahead, of course. Others have said, essentially, to weather the storm and not get snowballed early. Very much agree.
Dallas has a reputation for being a playoff choker, and the Packers have fared well against Dallas the last few times they've met. Ball control...long drives...score 7s.
barutanseijin
January 10, 2024 at 03:24 pm
Dallas hasn’t played very well lately. If the Packers can drub the Lions in their dome, they can do it to the Cowboys, too.
jannesbjornson
January 10, 2024 at 01:26 pm
Brandin Cooks, Michael Gallup, Pollard, Ferguson and Schoonmaker sneaking out the backdoor and our favorite fullback, Hunter Leupke. Big front four on their D, but a vulnerable secondary if you stay away from Bland. If the Pack can execute w/out mistakes and Protect the Ball, they can score points and stay with the Cowpies. Believe!
LeotisHarris
January 10, 2024 at 07:26 pm
"Dallas has a real QB,"
They do! He's large and known have less than stellar games at the darndest times. He turned in QB ratings of 72 against the Giants, 78 against the Cardinals, 57 against the Bills , and 51 against the 49ers this season.
Dak can and will shit the bed, and he hasn't lead the Cowboys to anything. His playoff record is 2-4, just like Tony Romo. An early exit courtesy of the Packers is not a pipe dream, especially with a highly successful NFL Head Coach on the home team sideline.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 10:21 pm
Don't denigrate McCarthy. I won't stand idly by. He's a decidedly more successful playoff coach than LaFleur, and he was nothing but honorable in his time in Green Bay. Let's face it, he's the only coach to successfully get Aaron Rodgers a super bowl appearance and win.
BAMABADGER
January 10, 2024 at 09:48 am
"It's especially gratifying when delusional loudmouth buffoons spewing drivel with no basis in fact get their comeuppance, right? Sorry Bears fans..."
Spot on AL! The same can be said for some Packer supporters. Love deniers.
pantz_bURp
January 10, 2024 at 09:50 am
*Coach Lombardi officiating my wedding*:
........will you honor the Packers...for better or for worse?
Emphatically, "I do"!
Coach, can I kiss the bride now? WITH tongue?
Come here you 2023-2024 Packer's Team.
Dragon5
January 10, 2024 at 10:01 am
Raise your hand if you had a cheesehead wedding cake...my wife is from MI--I required her to verbally commit to a sports pre-nup, even though her interest in pro sports could be considered grounds for divorce. This was the summer of Favre's upheaval, splitting the fanbase...I didn't give a shit and put a "4ever" on top of the cake. GPG
Al, your destination wedding is the perfect backdrop for part II "Undisputed" commercial.
https://youtu.be/gwKr5VM-Cio?si=yp4HT_l-rhvueByt
For instance:
Groom approaches bride...(random guest in pews yells "encroachment!")
Groom coddles bride's face as she leans in for the kiss (random guest yells "illegal hands to the face!")
When minister prefaces audience about objections...(guest yells "she was raised in Dallas!!!...bride chimes in "as a Packer fan!) (audience sighs with relief)
Johnblood27
January 10, 2024 at 11:57 am
That post was a dog in a cat year...
Razer
January 10, 2024 at 10:16 am
...Speaking of referees, can anyone tell me what really constitutes a catch in the NFL? It's pretty evident the referees aren't really sure themselves...
This should be fairly straight forward on the DJ Moore play. He didn't have control of the ball going to the ground and he needed to use the ground to eventually secure the ball. Not a catch and easily seen on review. Maybe the bigger problem is that even with the tools of replay, slow motion and multiple angles these miscalls are still happening. Not to be a conspiracy theory guy but with gambling driving revenues in the modern NFL maybe the spread and payouts are the "right call".
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 08:02 pm
That and story lines. A few years ago, many games in the same week had the same script. That happened in about 3 or 4 weeks.
Leatherhead
January 10, 2024 at 10:59 am
I expected the Packers to win the division, or at the very least, make the playoffs. I anticipated injuries and growing pains, but I could not have envisioned the number of games we'd lose from Bakhtiari, Jones, Watson, Alexander, Stokes, Campbell, etc. That's quite a few games missed by preferred starters.
My optimism was based on a couple of things
1) I thought Love would look like a first round pick who has been preparing for 3 years, and that he wouldn't look like some raw rookie who wasn't ready to play.
2) I think the organization knows what it is doing, and has competent people in scouting, personnel, coaching, etc.
3) I predicted the Packer offense would score more points in 2023 than it did in 2022, and it did. I didn't think we'd miss Rodgers and we haven't.
I really think somebody needs to explain how a dysfunctional front office, and a head coach over his head with a poor staff, was able to become the youngest team to ever make the playoffs, especially with all the adversity they faced. All I'm hearing is "luck". Murphy the Usurper, Gutekunst the Alienator, LaFleur the Overwhelmed don't seem to be getting much credit.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 11:27 am
Regarding the coaching staff, I just don't care for LaFleur. Purely personal.
I too expected a division championship. I didn't foresee Bakhtiari nor the recovery time needed for Jenkins to get back in the saddle. I expected LaFleur's offense to immediately resemble the offense that was advertised when he was hired, and I now believe that he had an Aaron Rodgers hangover and perhaps a bit of PTSD he's had to shake off. I also expected more from the defense, and I do think, for whatever reason, the scheme was somewhat to blame for the poor performances. We lost some games that were both winnable, and should have been won. That said, the final stretch of the season has been wonderful, and I believe there's a solid shot of winning a game or two in these playoffs.
As for Gutekunst, I've never doubted him. He hit a home run on Love, and believe he would have traded Rodgers to Denver if he'd been allowed. He made the deal, he just isn't empowered to pull triggers. I continue to believe the success is DESPITE Mark Murphy, not because of him. He mismanaged the Rodgers thing, and he should stick to real estate and licensing agreements. I won't change my mind on that. The GM should be the point person in Football Operations, not a suit. MLF deserves credit, despite my personal distaste for him, and I acknowledge he's a better coach than I give him credit for being.
Leatherhead
January 10, 2024 at 01:50 pm
"""As for Gutekunst, I've never doubted him. He hit a home run on Love, and believe he would have traded Rodgers to Denver if he'd been allowed. He made the deal, he just isn't empowered to pull triggers. I continue to believe the success is DESPITE Mark Murphy, not because of him."""
Hmmmm.....Didn't Murphy promote Gutekunst to GM? And when he did that, doesn't that make him Gutekunst's boss? And isn't he still Gutekunst's boss? So if Gutekunst wants to trade Rodgers, and Murphy, after consulting with LaFleur and Ball and others, doesn't think it's a good idea, what is he supposed to do? Do something his boss told him not to.?
I like the checks and balances. I don't want anymore Hadl trades. I don't want the GM to be able to just make trades regardless of what the HC and Prez want.
Murphy is gone in another year, and if we finish on a strong note, we're going to look back at Murphy's tenure as a Golden Age that includes a Super Bowl, lots of division championships and playoff appearances. We might have a really good team that's in sound financial shape. He deserves credit for that.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 03:02 pm
revisionism. he wanted to hire ball as GM and McCarthy balked. and ferchrissakes, Wolf hired Sherman as both GM and Head coach, now that is the concentrated power you want to avoid. Murphy didn't earn the right to make personnel decisions, he stole it. it was a coup d'etat
Leatherhead
January 10, 2024 at 04:32 pm
Murphy was Gutekunst's boss before the restructuring, and he was still his boss afterwards.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 05:32 pm
Please. Stop being obtuse. Murphy set himself up as owner. The GM had previously been responsible for all football operations, Murphy usurped that and sadly the board let him get away with it. Honestly, with all of his new responsibilities the Packers should have relisted the position and made him apply for the job and compete against people who actually had football operations experience.
I still hope they hire to replace him this offseason and let the transition begin immediately.
Leatherhead
January 10, 2024 at 05:37 pm
OK, explain how he's an owner. Can he sell the team? Move the team?
All he did was put the HC on an equal footing with the GM and the CFO. That's it. Gutekunst is still the director of player personnel. Ball, LaFleur, and Gutekunst are all still under Murphy, except that now LaFleur isn't under Gutekunst anymore.
I don't see usurpment.
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 10:26 pm
geez. you can't see it. The coach isn't hired by or answerable to the GM. Same with the cap specialist. That's not usurping?
Jesus man, stop being dense.
Leatherhead
January 11, 2024 at 10:17 am
I'm not dense. I think this is a good restructure. You prefer the old ways where the GM runs everything and only answers to the Prez.
Why should the cap specialist be under the GM? How does that benefit the team?
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 08:09 pm
LH,
lots of problems cost 8 losses. What turned the O line around? Why wasn't that done before week 1? Week 3? Week 7?
That's now a recurring theme.
If all 3 units play their best game of the season, that'll count for a lot regardless of the scoreboard. If ST & D play exceptionally well and O is just themselves that could get a W.
Leatherhead
January 11, 2024 at 10:18 am
What turned the Oline around? We got all our guys healthy and they were able to practice and play together.
Tundraboy
January 10, 2024 at 11:01 am
Keep up the fine work Al. Enjoy the wedding, although I'm sure you'll keep an eye on the game!
splitpea1
January 10, 2024 at 11:28 am
"Sorry Bears fans..." The players, too. We had Brisker with his derogatory comments after the game about our WRs, saying they weren't stars and played "fake tough."
It's better to be noble in defeat and keep the sour grapes to yourself.
croatpackfan
January 10, 2024 at 11:52 am
Well, it shows person's intelligence, isn't it? If they lost to the team with bad ball catchers and fake tough players, what that say about losers? They are even worse than bad (no stars) receivers and fake tough players...
Via.Lombardi
January 10, 2024 at 12:31 pm
Pat McAfee is a clown, and he can go f––– himself.
ESPN's Dan Graziano calls AR12 'narcissistic con artist'
stockholder
January 10, 2024 at 01:25 pm
Nobody can write anything negative
if their team makes the playoffs.
"winners never quit and quitters never win”
Jordan Love is a record holder now.
He got the support Rodgers never Did.
Experience and developing was a nice way to put it.
Still the last words I Don't want to hear.
How about them Cowboys.
Leatherhead
January 10, 2024 at 01:51 pm
Winners never quit, and quitters never win, but if you never win and you never quit, what's the point?
That's actually on Demotivational poster at despair.com
stockholder
January 10, 2024 at 06:03 pm
hopefully they win
Racingdad
January 10, 2024 at 02:36 pm
S H — Are you for real? Rodgers first year starting he had vet wrs and a good te, oline, etc and he did not have a Joe barry !!! Please think before posting stupid stuff
Bitternotsour
January 10, 2024 at 03:10 pm
stupid stuff is his signature style
stockholder
January 10, 2024 at 06:06 pm
No- truth is.
stockholder
January 10, 2024 at 06:08 pm
I wasn't referring to the comparison of their first year.
LeotisHarris
January 10, 2024 at 07:03 pm
"Jordan Love is a record holder now.
He got the support Rodgers never Did."
Now that's a new twist on the poor ol' AR theme from you. I guess we'll just have to imagine what 12 could have done with the youngest team in the NFL around him last season. Certainly all the 2023 rookies would have earned his trust and had better a year than the did with Love, right?
Oh, and did you see this from Matt Schneidman:
Jordan Love says that Bo Melton wasn’t exactly accurate in saying Love has hosted the entire offense at his house every Monday this season for dinner and a film session.
How many times have they done it?
“We’ve done it twice,” Love said with a smile.
stockholder
January 10, 2024 at 08:12 pm
IT WASN'T A TWIST.
BUT LOVE DOES HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN THE MVP NOW.
LeotisHarris
January 11, 2024 at 08:44 am
Now, now. There's no reason to shout.
egbertsouse
January 10, 2024 at 02:13 pm
I expected they would go 6-11 so I'm happy as hell about the season. If I would've been a crazy fanboy and expected a 12-5, I'd be pissed.
I thought that Jordan Love would be a Ryan Tannehill level QB so I'm really happy he is demonstrating Matt Stafford level skills at this point. If I had expected the second coming of Pat Mahomes, I'd be disappointed.
Since the Packers played the easiest schedule in the NFL and they finished just 9-8, I'm expecting a convincing win by the cowboys in Dallas. If the Packers keep it close, I'll be satisfied. If they win, I have a bottle of Loire Valley sparkling wine that my daughter brought me from France that I'm saving for the right moment that I will pop.
Reasonable expectations, people. My secret to a happy life.
dobber
January 10, 2024 at 02:58 pm
"Since the Packers played the easiest schedule in the NFL and they finished just 9-8, I'm expecting a convincing win by the cowboys in Dallas."
Based on the strength of schedule metric, the Packers (0.474) were tied with Houston for 8th easiest. Easier schedule yet? Dallas (0.446). The Packers' SOV was something like 15th at 0.458. Dallas was at 0.392.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/view/playoff
LeotisHarris
January 10, 2024 at 06:53 pm
There ya go again! You and your silly numbers always ruining the narrative, dobber.
Via.Lombardi
January 10, 2024 at 06:34 pm
AR12 fired from Pat McAfee Show --- LOL
ESPN's Dan Graziano calls AR12 'narcissistic con artist'
SicSemperTyrannis
January 10, 2024 at 08:40 pm
Is he really?
Via.Lombardi
January 10, 2024 at 06:35 pm
AR12 fired from Pat McAfee Show --- LOL
ESPN's Dan Graziano calls AR12 'narcissistic con artist'
Starrbrite
January 10, 2024 at 06:37 pm
I say this every week, when officials overofficiate (in any sport), it ruins everything. I believe we should reduce the number of officials per game.
Completely agree that if the ball touches the ground, it’s not a catch—ask Dez Bryant.
The detail of Love’s game I’m most impressed with, is lack of interceptions.
I know many Cowboy fans—they’re nervous…and should be.
Go Packers!!!