Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - It. Is. Time.

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

IT IS TIME for us to wonder, why did Aaron Rodgers look so dispassionate Saturday night? His frustration was obvious and his body language screamed "I don't know if I have it in me to turn this around." That's not the fire we saw from the other quarterbacks who played this past weekend.

IT IS TIME for the Packers braintrust to acknowledge what fans have been screaming at them about after watching other teams - having a really good inside linebacker can do wonders for your defense. Let's not screw this up again, guys.

IT IS TIME for the Packers coaches to realize that continuity on an offensive line is often more important and effective than moving pieces around just to get a specific player involved. Elgton Jenkins might be unicorn exception to this, but still, the point stands.

IT IS TIME to get a real (experienced) Special Teams coach with some proven credentials. Will Rizzi become available with Sean Payton retiring? Drayton certainly meant well and tried to the best of his ability, but obviously, it takes more than "want to" to coordinate all those moving parts into cohesive units.

IT IS TIME to get a long snapper who isn't 225 pounds so he might actually be able to not totally get crushed when faced with the like of Jordan Willis coming at him.

IT IS TIME for Rodgers to spend another summer of soul searching and aquire the self-realization that he is not always the smartest person in the room. 

IT IS TIME for David Bakhtiari to sit on the couch for a month or two. We've heard there is nothing structuraly wrong with his knee, so this amateur MD thinks it just needs rest after trying to come back sooner than his knee was ready for.

IT IS TIME to admit, even if distasteful for many of you, Tom Brady is the GOAT, followed by Bart Starr. Rodgers is not the QB that will find a way to win the big game. He's the QB who will insist on doing it his way, whether it works or not. He had two chances in the last six minutes to lead a playoff game winning drive against a sixth seed - the result was two three and outs. What did Brady do with his team down 27-3? Look, I know it's hard, but Brady has it all over Rodgers (ok, I just threw up a bit in my mouth there). 

IT IS TIME for LaFleur to realize there was no "Illusion of Complexity" on Saturday night. Either his game plan was way too vanilla or Rodgers just commandeered it and reverted to "the year he got MM fired" form. If by some Russ Ball miracle Rodgers is back, LaFleur needs to grow a pair and cut back on Rodgers' ability to do whatever he wants out there.

IT IS TIME (speaking of Russ Ball) for Russ Ball to be superhuman.

IT IS TIME to wonder if Rodgers was really trying to get Mike McCarthy fired or if he was just playing the way he wanted to play? What we saw Saturday night was classic Rodgers in the last year of McCarthy in Green Bay. So was he trying to get LaFleur fired? Of course not. It would be stupid to think that's the case as LaFleur is a young coach forced to acknowledge Rodgers' experience and kowtow to Rodgers' wants.

IT IS TIME, sadly, to start thinking about the draft and the CheeseheadTV Draft Guide.

IT IS TIME to join hands, Packers fans, and reflect on the pain we share.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:04 am

I'm so done with the whole Rodgers diva stuff! Time to trade him and start a new era in Packer land whomever that might be at QB. Get as many players and draft choices and the Pack will be better for it!

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:06 am

I love how people think it is so easy just to trade Rodgers. Over 20 Million in dead money if we trade him.

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Steve George's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:11 am

But, the Packers save $19 million in cap space by trading him, as opposed to keeping him.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:18 am

And then Jordan Love gives us the best shot at winning?

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 03:13 pm

Does Rodgers give us a real chance of winning, even with a less strong Roster? Perhaps Love or someone other than Rodgers does.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 27, 2022 at 03:17 am

Some chance is more than no chance.

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Coldworld's picture

January 27, 2022 at 11:07 am

Ironically I’d say that the past has shown us repeatedly that the chance with Rodgers is very small or non existent with a weaker roster. The alternative is a mystery since we don’t know what it will look like .

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Tingham's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:01 am

I know there is a ton of sentiment to dump Rodgers ASAP. One bit of caution. If every Bears fan, Vikings fan, and Lions fan is hoping for something you might want to consider all options before pulling the plug.

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dobber's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:04 pm

I sure hope the Packers' front office doesn't make management decisions based on what its own fan base thinks, much less the fan bases of other teams.

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 03:18 pm

We’d have had Favre and traded Rodgers if that was the basis for decision making. There were plenty reminding us what could have been even in Favre’s last year in Minnesota, till it imploded.

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ImFubared's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:10 pm

I actually don't know who would jump on Rodgers and give up all those picks. Coaches see you can win right away with a high first round qb pick and not bankrupt your future. Herbert, burrows.
Plus you don't have to coddle to someone set in there ways.
No there will not be many teams clamoring for a 39 year old qb who can't win in the playoffs.

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murf7777's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:25 am

Love the title….It. Is. Time! I agree with all of your points. I thought last offseason carried a lot of drama. This year shows to be even more.

If Bart Starr commandeered this team over the past 15 years we would have more than one SB appearance. Arod was shown up by a few QB’s this playoffs. Over the years, in the playoffs, time and time again he didn’t score towards the end of games to give GB a better chance to win.

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BradHTX's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:19 am

2016 - “We need a new head coach!” Done (eventually…) but still lost the next time
2019 - “We need to play at home!” Done, but still lost the next time
2020 - “We need a better defense!” Done, but still lost the next time
2021 - “We need…”

A new Special Teams coach? Nope. It’s time to acknowledge the one constant in the last four playoff losses.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

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Lphill's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:25 am

Should have left the O line alone except for Myers and on that note why can't the starting center do the long snapping? why is Maurice Drayton still employed? are they evaluating his work ?

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:39 am

I am wondering if firing Mo right away would have been a clear indication that Matt screwed up? It feels like damage control and the organization is trying to come up with the right spin. Every day Mo is still employed reduces my confidence in Matt and the organization to recognize a problem and properly deal with it.

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:59 am

No damage control is going to hide that one. The longer they leave it the more derision they attract.

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Swisch's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:59 am

Last season, the Packers didn't fire Pettine during the season, and it was costly in the playoffs.
This season, the Packers didn't fire Drayton during the season, and it was costly in the playoffs.
In both of the playoff losses that so abruptly and so rudely ended the season for the Packers, the units coached by Pettine and Drayton could hardly have performed more horribly.
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It's hard to argue with Matt LaFleur's superb record during the regular season. He helped to bring Rodgers back to form, and Rodgers helped to elevate the Packers.
However, it may have come at the high cost of accommodating the apparent arrogance of Rodgers to a fault, and that fault line undermined the whole foundation of the team at the time of its greatest stress and greatest need: the playoffs.
It seems time to move on from Rodgers and see what LaFleur does without the good and bad that come from his melodramatic quarterback.

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dobber's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:02 am

Because...
1. the long snapper has essentially one role and he needs to do it well every time. It's outside of blocking schemes and offensive line adjustments and those other things.
2. it requires a lot of practice and coordination which would take away from your C's time with the OL
3. your C plays a lot of snaps and is more likely to get hurt than your very protected LS who only plays limited snaps in games. If your C goes out with an injury in-game all your STs are screwed up.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 26, 2022 at 06:56 pm

What about Hanson?

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 26, 2022 at 06:56 pm

What about Hanson?

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PeteK's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:31 am

It's a different skill set, that's why it almost never happens.

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 03:19 pm

Myers was pretty bad. Might have been better just to leave it unchanged

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Roadrunner23's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:26 am

Maybe it’s time: to lower expectations and just be satisfied with an NFC North Crown and a 1 and done in the playoffs.
Only 1 out of 32 teams is going to be happy at years end so why get so disappointed every year we don’t win the Super Bowl?
Watching some of the weekends winners, the Packers would have gotten crushed in the NFC Championship game again anyway or embarrassed in the Super Bowl. So we got our misery out of the way earlier this year. The Cubs have been the lovable losers for 100 years and then 2016 they finally won a championship and now they are back to being those lovable losers again. The Packers are just lovable playoff losers who everyone knows are overrated, but one glorious year they will get lucky and win one like they did in 2010.
Lower expectations. Be happy little Green Bay even has a pro team.
Eat, drink, enjoy

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Razer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:49 am

Not an unreasonable approach - after all - there can only be one. I have not put my faith in Rodgers leading us to another Super Bowl for a while now. Good teams know how to play him and he can't help himself and won't be coached to a new level. So I do enjoy being better than the Bears and Viking

Still, was the expectation so unrealistic this year?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:23 am

"Still, was the expectation so unrealistic this year?"

YES!

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egbertsouse's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:52 am

We might as well accept it because you just stated the Packer’s business model. It’s not going to change. Mark Murphy is not John Elway; who will blow it up, start all over, tolerate the feeast or famine. He’s a conservative bank president type; hang on to what you have, get that North Division crown or a wild card, get that playoff game, build some condos and theme parks, keep that cash flow steady. There will be no obnoxious billionaire owner to come in and tear everything apart, there will be the conservative BOD, deferring to Murphy, not wanting to upset the apple cart. I don’t like it because it is boring and Groundhog Day-ish but there is nothing I can do about it.

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Tingham's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:05 am

Ummm. You do know how people feel about John Elway's success as a GM in Denver. The most beloved sports person in the history of that city is barely tolerated anymore by the fan base.

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gmeyers1's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:32 am

The Packers are not one of 32 teams, at least not at the present time. They are 1 of about 6 elite teams. With the salary cap & revenue sharing, there is no reason to not expect them to break through their share of the time. As has been pointed out here, there have been coaching and player failures. At this level, and not dealing effectively with them is not acceptable.

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PeteK's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:40 am

Even if they lose, I would be a happy Bengal fan. They are young, under the cap , and with an upcoming draft the future is bright.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 26, 2022 at 06:06 pm

Lombardi is spinning in his grave. Should the Patriots have been content being perennial losers?

The Cubs? They're beneath contempt.

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Razer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:50 am

A darkened use of Kevin Greene's inspiration to Clay Matthews that gave us the brightest shine of Rodgers career. As fans we have the choice to be 'okay with' regular season wins and some drama or it's not good enough. As a franchise, the Packers did make some good moves this year that might suggest we are revamping the formula. I like:
* A real ILB
* A physical corner
* A running game

We need to fix:
* Special Teams
* A QB who refuses to use all his players
* A coach who gets outcoached (but can cheer)
* A D-line with one player

I think that Aaron Rodgers is done in Green Bay and that we should not miss the window to get 1st round picks for him. It is time...

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Johnblood27's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:40 am

Razor sharp analysis Razer!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:37 am

Agreed!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:49 am

* "A coach who gets outcoached (but can cheer)." I thought that this was part of the intricate and comprehensive offensive game plan - for MLF to wildly flap his arms on the sidelines - not only to incite the crowd but distract the defense in order to give Rodgers an extra 3-4 seconds for Adams to eventually come open.

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egbertsouse's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:39 am

Fantastic article. It needed to be said.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 30, 2022 at 12:38 pm

And well put too!

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mrtundra's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:58 am

IT IS TIME for Packers' fans to be ready for the Jordan Love era to begin. It is time for Packers fans to accept that their team will look very different next season, in that they will probably be saying good bye to Rodgers, Adams(maybe), Zadarious, Cobb, maybe Lewis, maybe Bakhtiari, and others(?) mostly due to salary cap issues. $50 million over the cap, now, and cutting, or trading players is the only way to get where we need to be, cap wise. I think Russ Ball has done all the extending of contracts and renegotiating he can do with our current roster.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 27, 2022 at 02:30 pm

(SIGH!!!!!) We all knew by the beginning of the last off season, this would be the last season with this core roster. What we don't know is how extensive the roster rebuild will be. Gute ate up what Cap space the Packers had to fill critical holes in this team. Outside of the long snapper, he hit on every FA signing. And we still don't know the backstory on that one. Next season is going to be brutal in Cap terms for this team.

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Handsback's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:08 am

I may be a little nieve but when I hear that there won’t be any rebuilding in the Packers team I go yippee…However reality of being over the cap by almost 50M makes that statement BS.
I know it, Rodgers must know it too. To me this is standard OP for any team to their fan base for obvious reasons. My hope is what Razer stated above, strengthen your weak areas and if Love isn’t the solution keep looking because Rodgers won’t bring another title to the Packers.

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pacman's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:12 am

Notice that there are many items for MLF and one basic one for AR.

Overall, it seems people are tired of the AR saga. Me too, partially. So yes, he didn't play great. But this game was lost by ST and every idiot off the street knows it. And MLF didn't fix it. All he had to say was "we are definitely not going to fire the guy responsible for this mess". Just an ol' boys club in GB. Don't hold anyone responsible until it gets to be impossible. That's why it took years to move on from MM and DC. Is it Murphy? Gute? MLF? Whatever it is, it continues.

Why would I choose to move on from AR when I have no real confidence that MLF can bring it home? With Love?

I like our chances better with AR than with Love even if we can afford a few better players with him.
That's what it comes down too.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:30 am

Sorry, but you will not be liked for this comment.

Currently if you post anything positive about Rodgers you will not be liked for it. So prepare yourself for the dislikes and comments to come in.

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pacman's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:23 pm

Looks like you are certainly correct!

I wonder if that is a calm deliberated negativity towards AR or still depression over the loss.

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 03:23 pm

I think it’s not unreasonable to see Rodgers as not being able to convert and the cap situation marking a high point for team quality. If Rodgers couldn’t lift the team this year and last, what reasonable basis would assume he could a year older and minus some key pieces?

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stockholder's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:46 pm

I believe something else was said to Rodgers at 1/2 Time. Big Dog's drop. And they missed that Field Goal. This team was split. When you see him on the bench. He's Numb. He's always looked at the Defense per photos. This time nothing. His mind wasn't on the 49ers. Something got to him.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 27, 2022 at 12:20 am

Could have been side effects from the horse medicine???

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:18 am

If you really believe that with Rodgers and a weaker roster we might contend then fair enough. Nothing I saw with a better (younger) Rodgers in the teens gives me confidence in that and nothing I’ve seen in the playoffs over the last 3 years does either.

With Rodgers we probably win the division for a couple of years. With Love, or whomever, we may or may not. So what? Our division sucks. The Bears are a mess with an aging roster and a QB who is not convincing. The Lions are rebuilding but are three years away if they get it right and the Vikings can’t really get started as long as they have their current QB. Winning that is nice but it’s not like it is a great predictor of more.

If a couple more years of swansong is what you want, followed by a roster where we hit and the prime of many of our young rising stars just as we start to rebuild ( a scenario for tear down), then stick with Rodgers.

Personally I am not all that interested in a ceiling of winning the division, I’d rather move on and at least try to compete when it matters. That’s going to be painful but it’s got at least the opportunity to head back towards relevance rather than just repeating the inevitable and probably increasing the depth of our fall.

Sometimes one just has to accept that something is over. This is one of those times in my view. I’m glad they went for it, but the price is now due to be paid.

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pacman's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:35 am

It would have to be with an understanding between AR and MLF on how to fix what went wrong Sat night. If AR is adamant that it was 'just' an off day and he doesn't want to change anything, then I agree. If he agrees that it just doesn't work to be so focused on Adams, then there is something to work on.

I think this is reasonable to hope for. He learned to get the ball out quickly. He learned to use the dump off pass. Etc.

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BradHTX's picture

January 26, 2022 at 12:39 pm

“Sometimes one just has to accept that something is over. This is one of those times in my view. I’m glad they went for it, but the price is now due to be paid.”

Exactly right, CW. It felt like they were really close, and they couldn’t move on from AR this past season due to cost. So going all-in was the right move. It didn’t work out, but that doesn’t make it the wrong decision. Now, the party is over and it’s time to clean up the house. Going to take a while, but it will be worth the work.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:32 am

You'll never learn, do you?
Why would using the same path every year that produce failure and expecting future success? Where is the logic?
I was one of fans who supported Aaron Rodgers completely, from the Brett Favre saga till some time in the past. I was so proud when he won SB with Packers, confirming that I was right. He is GOAT. He is unstoppable & unbeatable. He is everything you need to win. And than came pain, from 2011 season till today.
But, I know that history is here to teach us about our mistakes and we need to learn from history. But, if you try to avoid logical explanation and finding excuses, you'll learn nothing. It is process. Rarely someone can open his eyes at the one moment. Mostly we need time to start to recognize our and others mistakes, real mistakes, not excuses. Andi t is painful, that learning. And pain started in post season of 2011, when Giants came to Lambeau and destroyed Packers. Destroyed Aaron Rodgers who was scoring touchdowns at will during season (exception was Kansas City – the worst play of Aaron Rodgers for years in the past). Suddenly he was no able to do that. My first question mark was – why is that. And I found a lot of excuses for him and the Packers O. But important was that I asked myself that question. Than 2012, similar result. Pain still here. But it was, also, less and less excuses I was able to find to justify why my QB was playing bad. 213 excuse was his collarbone and rust because he was in IR, still he was not playing that well. 2014 NFCCG was eye opening performance. I read here – he was playing on one foot excuse. Who cares, he scored only one fuc*ing TD after 5 TO in the first half. 1 TD and 3 FG to go to the half with the result of 16-0 in Packers favor. # of 5 TO was in the red zone! And after the game is over 85% of Packers nation found criminals – Ha-Ha Clinton Dix and Brian Bostick. But nobody asked why Packer put only 6 points (2 FG) in the second half. Why Aaron did not threw more that one throw against Sherman who was playing without half of his body. Only throw he made in Sherman direction was his INT. And so on and so on.
That was really painful loss. But I re-watched that game more than 10 times during off season. And I saw one thing – Packers QB with brown stain at his ass and wet front on his trousers. He was stunned and feared.
After that I started to understand all of the previous loses in the off season. Went through the 2011-2013 games and notice the same. Re-watched the game at Kansas City from 2011. Tampa 2 D was utilized against him and he did not know how to solve the issue. That was why he did score almost nothing.
Against Cardinals in 2015 he really played with 2nd and 3rd stringers on the offense. And for that game I have no important objection on his game. But that game was desperate one and he did not think about fear. He had nothing to lose because there was already an excuse if Packers lose. They lost in overtime.
And than came 2017 & 2018. I will not elaborate those 2 lost seasons. Anyhow, by years I really changed my view on Aaron (as player) not as person. But 2021 offseason showed me I have something more to learn. All his flows in the important games came from hi personality. Arrogance and narcissism. And self-estimation as the cleverest man in the Universe. His treacherous and selfish outbreak that produced a lot of disturbance through franchise he, he said, love on the eve of the 1st round draft was unheard off. He intentionally did that at that moment. Who else does not know human nature may think it happened by accident (another excuse people). After I read what his “requirements” were, I was for immediate trade. You can not have that cancer in the locker room.
Many of you very often contradicts me on this claim that he is cancer in the locker room. Because he very often talks favorable about his teammates. I will ask you what do you expect from highly intelligent person to do and to show himself as good friend to all young guys and his team mates. Just one fact that contradicts to this claims that he is supportive to his teammates – he talked about Lazard very often how very good he is and reliable, isn’t he? How many times he threw the ball to Lazard in the divisional round this year? You should expect more involvement of that very good and reliable team mate, wouldn’t you?
Or how he insists on bringing back Randall, because he needs him as security blanket. Do you remember that? How many targets he got in the last game? Or how he love the potential of ESB? Why he did not threw to him for TD, instead to double covered Davante if he is so positive about ESB?
When you listen him, be very careful what he is talking and what words he chose. Because he is immunized (but not vaccinated!), is he?
Prolong the rebuilding of our team to allow the Diva another year for giving us poo-poo and show himself in the public often is not worth 40 mil dollars per season!

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Johnblood27's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:50 am

certainly not succinct, but after all... Rodgers is a complicated fella... and complicated can't be explained succinctly.

Some very good points Croat, however I will caution that one perspective does not guarantee truth.

There may be some areas to quibble with, but the overall theme of your tome is spot on.

IT IS TIME!

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:43 am

Thanks for comment.

Yes that is my opinion and I know that there is a lot of truth in it. I'm over 60 and I know a lot of human nature, learned on my own mistakes and rebuilding myself through fight with my flaws.

I agree that ones perspective rarely tells us complete truth, but the nucleus is given. I might be to harsh toward Aaron Rodgers, but I do not see that after this loss he thought much of the team or franchise he played for (and earned fortune from franchise, btw). He was talking that he will think about, after he talk with decision maker about what will happen with the team. Not because of the team, but because of him. If they< will go even in slight rebuild, her has no interest to be part of it. And for that rebuild, he is one of the main culprit. So, not even the smallest dot of the respect to others, who drafted him in the 1st round, when nobody else wanted to.

I do not know. I just know that I do not owes right on the truth. We can only express our opinion, based on our knowledge and facts that we see, hear and read.

IT IS TIME (whatever MLF said).

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PeteK's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:51 am

I gave him the true defense of not having a solid D to support his O in the past. Well, no excuse this time.

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Hematite's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:43 pm

Well said Croat!
Since my thumbs up/down feature doesn't work anymore, I give you a written thumbs up!
It is time!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:49 am

So well said Croat! Thanks for that post! I have thought the same things including all the complimentary things about the WR's yet he won't throw to them.

Have to believe those WR's like Lazard, MVS, and ESB (and others over the years....Jennings, Finley amongst many others) were not fans of playing with Rodgers. Constantly running routes and many times being open and the ball always goes to one or two players often when not open. Has to be extremely frustrating!

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Hematite's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:44 pm

Thumbs up!

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barutanseijin's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:14 pm

I agree with this.

I'd say Lovie Smith knew how to contain Rodgers from the get go. He had the horses to do it, too. The only problem for Lovie was that his offenses were incompetent and usually couldn't score enough to win. KC and the Giants found another way to beat him that teams are still using today. Rodgers will not or cannot adapt and that's why he was not as good as guys like Brady or Mahomes.

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Guam's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:20 am

We would all like Russ Ball to produce some magic pixy dust that will make this whole cap nightmare go away, but I just don't see it happening. In fact, I believe it will be worse than most of us imagine right now. All of the conversation here has been about being over the cap by about $46 million and the cuts it will take to get back to the cap. However that is ignoring the operational needs of the team for 2022.

The Packers will need about $5 million to sign their 2022 draft class. They have traditionally needed another $5-7 million for in-season signings for injury replacements (think next year's version of Rasul Douglas). They will need another $5 million for any preseason signings of available veterans to plug holes in the line-up (think next year's version of Campbell or Kelly). And finally they may need more 2022 cap money if extensions are done on some players and it increases the 2022 commitment (think Savage, Jenkins, maybe Amos or Preston). The Packers will easily need another $15 to $20 million above the $46 million to be able to operate normally in 2022.

So start thinking about cuts and/or restructures up to $60 - $65 million, not $46 million. Yikes!

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:31 am

Per Ken Ingalls, who is a respected authority on Packers cal issues:

“2022 Packers Salary Cap Outlook:

Color coded:
🔴-$38.8M: Space right now
🟠-$42.6M: Need to clear by March 16th (no trades)
🟡-$54.1M: Space with draft & filling roster with rookies
🔵-$64.0M: Effective space before regular season

⚠️Includes no other signings or extensions”

TGR has come up with very similar figures in his pieces on this site, but Ingalls gave a very succinct statement of the sobering reality, especially when I think we have less than 40 players under contract as of today (excluding futures contracts).

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:14 am

TGR tells me that he thinks Ingall’s 63 million figure should be 57. I’m not enough of a masochist to want to pick apart that math, but my reaction is that the extra 6 million doesn’t change much. That figure basically doesn’t include anything but Alexander being extended: no Campbell or Douglas, no significant FAs, just draft picks, UDFAs and bargain bin free agents to fill out the roster, which currently stands at about 38 contracted players.

Whichever figure is correct or closest to that, The point here is that we get inevitably worse as a team next year without probably another 20 or 25 million to replace departures through FA. What we might do is improve 2 or 3 years down the line if some of the influx turn out to be winners beyond those in the first couple of days of the draft, but that’s hardly a given.

This team (QB aside) perforce gets weaker without a big clear out and quite likely, next year, with one. If Rodgers is around that’s even more likely and profound. The same would be true of Adams, let alone both.

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Guam's picture

January 26, 2022 at 02:15 pm

Thanks CW. I hadn't seen Ingalls information and just did my "back of the envelope" calculations. I got pretty close to Ingalls number ($64 million) for the 2022 season, so this stuff isn't rocket science.

It is clear the cuts are going to have to go well beyond Rodgers, Z. Smith and not resigning Adams. I looked again at TGR's detailed analysis of cuts (from a few weeks ago) and the Packers are going to lose a number of solid veteran contributors to this season's team as well as have to push some money into 2023 to keep key young players for the future.

The party is over and the check just came due.

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Michael Nault's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:37 am

You are preaching to the choir here. I have been telling people that for 2 years and they said I was full of crap. Well, they still think we can keep the ego and Adams. I am not going to feel sorry for them when it comes true...

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Since&#039;61's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:49 am

Al great job as usual and your points are spot on as usual. However, I believe the questions need to go even deeper into the decision making process which led us to yet another playoff failure and deeper into the Packer future.

1. The decision to low ball Rizzi was when the first seed was planted which led to yet another playoff debacle. Who made the low ball decision and why?
Ultimately that decision led us to Mennenga and then to Drayton.
2. Drafting Jordan Love versus a WR who probably would have evolved into a legit #2 WR by this season. For what Love contributed this season we would have had the same results with either Boyle or Benkert.
3. Why did we switch LS in the middle of the season which contributed to the ST death spiral?
4. Why was Dayton retained after the KC game?
5. Who made the decision to rearrange the OL for the playoff game? We should have put Turner back at RT and Yosh back at LT. When I first saw this version of the OL at the beginning of the game I was concerned but the OL actually started out well until the Lewis fumble. Then SF adjusted, we didn't and well our offense literally disappeared.
6. The Lewis fumble hurt more than it should have.
7. The blocked FG gave SF the life they needed for the second half. Why can't we have a backup QB as a holder just to create the "illusion of complexity" that we could actually fake an FG and maybe our opponents keep a guy or 2 off the line as protection against that possibility? Save a roster spot as well!
8. Drop by Deguara was a killer given the deteriorating field conditions.
9. Blocked punt, the culmination of management's failure to adequately address STs since the Rizzi decision.
10. Rodgers started out fine until the Lewis fumble! He was a mess after that drive. Poor throws, looked like he lacked confidence and throwing only to Adams.
A totally disappointing performance by Rodgers. The OL which allowed 6 sacks did not help either.
11. Losing Dillon, again the result of totally fxxked STs hurt the offense badly when considering the 2nd half field conditions.
12. Our salary cap is the dominant issue going forward for the Packers roster. As I look at some of the past decisions by our management team "It is time" to ask whether the same guys who got us into this mess can actually get us out of it?
13. As a partial answer to that question, It is time to ask why hasn't Drayton been fired yet? Teams have fired HCs for less over the decades never mind firing someone who is clearly the wrong person for the ST job. Beyond that what kind of message does this send to the rest of the team? How will we come back as a better version of ourselves if we retain people who perform as poorly as Drayton?
14. MLF says we're not rebuilding!!! OK, so are we going to allow this to continue and remain $40+ million over the cap?
15. We have some excellent talent on the team but our management decision making does not inspire much confidence in how they will be handled going forward.

This game was lost by our STs and not won by Rodgers and the offense. We needed one second half TD drive to take this game even with the ST disasters and we didn't get it done. Some of that was on the revamped OL, some on losing Dillon, but in the end Rodgers needed to make the decisions and throws to move the offense downfield. He has been terrible during the 4th quarters of the last 2 playoff defeats. Beyond that however, this game was also lost by poor management decision making going back over the last 3 seasons. That is where the seeds for this loss were planted.

Whether Rodgers stays or goes is almost irrelevant if management continues to make poor strategic decisions with no accountability. In fact if Rodgers decides to retire where will this fit into poor decisions by the management team as the Packers will end up with nothing in return. Wouldn't that be a brilliant outcome for the Packers? But with a sold out stadium and TV revenues coming in why will anyone be held accountable? They're all basically overpaid salaried employees.

Just to put this game into perspective, the last time the Packers defense held a post season opponent to 6 points or less was in 1961 when they defeated the NY Giants 37-0 for Lombardi's first NFL championship. Ironically enough the same game which began my Packers fanhood. The last time we scored 10 or less points in a post season game was the 2003 27-7 loss to Atlanta during the Favre era. And now back to my sabbatical. Stay safe everyone. Thanks, Since '61

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pacman's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:53 am

For a shorter version, see my post above :)
'61 - you're a better writer than I am. I think you have a few years on me. I'll work on it.
(Although I wasn't as upset at the time at the Love draft because it did seem AR was slowing down. He has proved otherwise.)
See you next season.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:26 am

Since61, I enjoyed your post and thought it was the best and most thorough that you have ever made among those that I read over the years. Lots of questions presented that most of us would like answered. Good job.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:36 am

Wow, another excuses. Packers fans are really loyal on their cost. We should be more selfish as mr Diva is: "I'm not interesting to play here while rebuilding!"

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:46 am

Is that selfishness? Maybe, but I think it’s at least in part an admission of the real truth, that Rodgers is unlikely to be able to capitalize on even a rapid and successful rebuild comes to fruition. Rodgers did seem to link his future to what happens with Adams. So I think he is in full game playing mode, but I think he knows time is fast catching up too.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:59 am

I know what you said. Yes, that is selfishness, for example, what Davante did is not selfishness, because he obey the contract and he wants to get paid as the best WR in the league. What is OK. But when you are not any more (and more than one season of that) the best QB in the league, just thinking as you are, it is selfishness to put your employer into the cap hell. I have no problem with the truth. I love truth. And I do not resent Aaron for his statement, just saying that he is acting selfish, because when he felt that Packers do not believe him he got fat contract like he is the best QB on the market. Show some respect back. That is all I ask. As Davante showed by playing his butt off for the underpaid contract with no complaints.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 27, 2022 at 12:26 am

Salient points, I agree, clean house at Packertown, LLC. You know how i feel about low-Ball and company.

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Bure9620's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:33 am

It is certainly time....to Blow. It. Up. I find the Lefleur insistence on wanting Rodgers back interesting...I have not heard this from Gute. It really is time to move on, it is better to move on a year (or 2) early than moving too late. Love will be in year 3, he should have the keys to the offense. If Love is indeed not the guy...then you will know and can move forward. I want to see him with a whole offseason and training camp as the starter getting ALL the reps in training camp and practice and starting 17 games. He needs to play.
If the Packers actually do work to do a deal with Rodgers this would just mean they don't think Love can play at all.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:36 am

I wonder if some of the messaging on Rodgers is just the Packers trying not to get low-balled in their trade offers.

If I was planning on moving on from Rodgers I would certainly like to create the impression that we are still wanting him as our QB1 and that we will need a decent return of picks and perhaps prospects to move on from him.

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Bure9620's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:54 am

Good point

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Razer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:47 am

...If the Packers actually do work to do a deal with Rodgers this would just mean they don't think Love can play at all...

I totally agree with this read.

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:46 am

I don’t agree, I think it’s more likely fear of the unknown from Murphy. Love may or may not start next year even without Rodgers. We might easily pull in a vet to start and give Love a second year in which to unseat him. I’ve no issues with that if it’s what they think I’d the best option, given the effects first year redshirt. I really don’t believe Love is a significant factor in how this plays out.

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Razer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:29 am

Year three of learning for your first round QB and the expectation is to sit behind another vet lead season. I would think that "it is time" for Love - one way or another.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:54 am

How long did Rodgers "sit" behind a veteran QB?

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:22 am

It just makes me wonder more and more about the wisdom of not really playing him at all in the truncated preseason in 2020 and then letting Boyle run the PS.

When a team admits he threw more passes in his first mini camp last year than in his entire time with the team before that, that’s an admission of a wasted year for Love.

That’s a decision worth questioning. Another of LaFleur’s to debate. It really means he’s probably more realistically considered as entering year 2 this year in all but contract terms.

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PeteK's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:05 am

In my opinion, we'll know soon enough. If, for example, they sign a Bridgewater then we know that Love is not the ans. While it's true that he has had little experience, he has been in practice long enough to show the coaches if there is enough talent/progress.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:52 am

They could also use the Washington approach when they drafted RGIII and Cousins in the same draft. I could see us drafting a QB high in the draft and having them compete with Love for the job. Should a trade happen for Rodgers and that first round pick has a QB Matt thinks can run his system (I like Sam Howell) maybe you pull the trigger and hope you create enough competition that one of the two elevates themselves to a successful starting QB.

It would also be likely cheaper than bringing in a veteran.

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dobber's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:13 pm

"I don’t agree, I think it’s more likely fear of the unknown from Murphy."

THIS.

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Guam's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:44 pm

And not just Murphy. Moving on from Rodgers is a potential career decision for Gute and Murphy. Murphy may not care as much since he is nearing retirement, but Gute has many years of career ahead of him (and I suspect he would like it to be with the Packers). It will take some stones to move on from a sure fire first ballot HOFer. The Packers have done it before, but that doesn't make it any easier for the current management team.

Make no mistake, this is a high risk decision for the current management team.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 03:29 pm

But if they keep AR they will produce more cap hell and they will prolong rebuilding with possible finish of like Jags, Jets, Lions etc. - decades of mediocrity!

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Guam's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:44 pm

I agree with you Croatpackfan, but keeping Rodgers might also preserve their well paid management jobs for another few years. I suspect that is a consideration for them.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 27, 2022 at 04:08 am

Well, if they sink to mediocrity they will lose their jobs anyhow, but with less chances to find another!

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Coldworld's picture

January 27, 2022 at 11:15 am

Ironically, it might just be the nail in those coffins if you think as I do that it results in a ton of dead cap and nothing in terms of Super Bowl appearances and a declining overall roster.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:55 am

Good post Bure! Agreed!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:27 am

“IT IS TIME for us to wonder, why did Aaron Rodgers look so dispassionate Saturday night?”
I do wonder what was going on. Everything, not just Rodgers, felt dysfunctional after the Lewis fumble. The OL struggled, there wasn’t a lot of motion/creativity to the offense. It just seemed off.

“IT IS TIME for the Packers braintrust to acknowledge what fans have been screaming at them about after watching other teams - having a really good inside linebacker can do wonders for your defense.”
Many of us have been saying we needed an improvement at ILB. I really hope they can find a way to keep Campbell. He made a huge difference for our defense.

“IT IS TIME for the Packers coaches to realize that continuity on an offensive line is often more important and effective than moving pieces around just to get a specific player involved.”
This is something that really hasn’t been talked much about but how much of an impact did the changing of the OL for this game affect the offense? The running game struggled. The passing game they were allowing more pressure then normal. Would they have been better to keep Yosh at LT? Put Turner back in at RT? Would they have been better to keep Patrick at OC and Newman at RG? I think it’s a fair question to ask. I am looking forward to seeing our OL next year and seeing how they plan to use guys. They have the flexibility to use a numerous amount of combinations. Hopefully they can find one and stick with it though.

“IT IS TIME to get a real (experienced) Special Teams coach with some proven credentials. Will Rizzi become available with Sean Payton retiring?”
I hope Rizzi is available and they can get him. If not, I hope they can find a protégé of his, or possibly someone from Baltimore who always has the number 1 special teams. I was really hoping Drayton could be the guy. But there is no way he can be the guy moving forward.

“IT IS TIME to get a long snapper”
I don’t care what the weight of a guy is. Get a guy who can be as good as Goode. I want the punter to not have to work on every snap to punt a ball. I want the holder to not have to work to get every snap down.

“IT IS TIME for Rodgers to spend another summer of soul searching and aquire the self-realization that he is not always the smartest person in the room. “
It is time for me to not have an opinion on Rodgers, because any time I do on this page, I’m criticized for it.

“IT IS TIME for David Bakhtiari to sit on the couch for a month or two.”
This was my plan until last night and I decided it is time for me to try and get in shape for summer. Now today I wished I stayed on the couch.

“IT IS TIME to admit, even if distasteful for many of you, Tom Brady is the GOAT, followed by Bart Starr.”
I just have a hard time saying Brady is the goat. Did you know that Brady has had more top 10 defenses since he has been 42 (3) then Rodgers has had his entire career. Yes Brady can come back. But when he has hope on defense that can completely change a mindset of a player. I will never forget the narrative minutes after Brady’s super bowl against the Seahawk. Seahawks were down at the goal line and should have ran it with Lynch. Yet, decided to pass and was intercepted which won the game for the Patriots. Minutes after that game all over social media people were claiming Brady the Goat. Had his defense not won him the game, would Brady still be the goat? Think about that one for a bit.

“IT IS TIME for LaFleur to realize there was no "Illusion of Complexity" on Saturday night.”
I hope if Hackett is gone, they have someone that will make sure LaFleur stays committed to the Illusions of Complexity. Because the offense we saw was pretty vanilla. Not really any motion, not a lot of creativity. I didn’t see a lot of plays early in the game leading to others late.

“IT IS TIME (speaking of Russ Ball) for Russ Ball to be superhuman.”
I’m really looking forward to seeing what magic he has for this year. How does he keep the players they want to keep and get rid of roughly 40 million.

“IT IS TIME to wonder if Rodgers was really trying to get Mike McCarthy fired or if he was just playing the way he wanted to play?”
OR maybe it is time to wonder if Rodgers lost trust in the offense or players around him after the fumble. The offense was rolling until that time. They finally got a drive to get down to the redzone and then they had a false start. He threw one ball to Deguara which he dropped. They got nothing in the running game. Did he lose trust in those around him? Also, who was there to try and get him back into it?

“IT IS TIME, sadly, to start thinking about the draft and the CheeseheadTV Draft Guide.” There will be changes to the team next year. No question. One of the keys will be getting a good draft. The draft guide will be huge for any fan.

“IT IS TIME to join hands, Packers fans, and reflect on the pain we share.”
I think its time I personally take a step back. I have been on this page for a long long time. Before the days of the merger with another webpage. Al would know what that page was as I can't remember off the top of my head. This page has been a great place for me to come and place my personal feelings and thoughts about the Packers. I will always appreciate this website for giving fans like me a place to come to and talk about what we love the most. This has been one of the most difficult years with the pandemic and the amount of division with the vaccines and whatnot. Having a place like this to come to and being able to escape some of those things has always been great.

I just have to add to all the authors that have written columns here, thank you!

I love this quote and think it’s a perfect fit right now. “You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

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Fabio's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:32 am

Hi Al
I haven't written for a long time, but I always read to you very willingly.
I am still devastated by the defeat we suffered .....
Anyway ....

I very much agree with everything you have written, but I would like to clarify one thing ....
Much of the defeat is on AR (and I say that I loved it). But no one should let themselves be carried away in reflections by the fact that this is a team sport ...
A few years ago I saw Denver bullshit LA in a match like this ... and Manning took the honor of another SB with him.
In Sunday's defeat, AR was terrible. But the TS destroyed everything.
Our D was the best of the season, but in the decisive moment (3rd and 7th) it was missed again. now, I know everyone won't like what I'm about to say, but we arrived at this game rested and SF even had one day less than normal. Yet SF, at the end of the game, was CLEARLY, physically dominant !!!!
We can say what we want, but once again (in the Play OF) the Q defense sucked.
about the ST I can no longer say anything.
I will always remember that this is the team game par excellence.
And our team sadly was no better than SF (Rodgers or non Rodgers)
Greetings AL

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Packers0808's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:35 am

With Rodgers the problem appears to be ONE BIG SORE SPOT< he refuses to use what the coach and Gute gave him, players. He thinks he knows best and this trust BS is all in his head, use what you have at hand and not just ONE guy! Notice how all qbs use so many receivers when Rodgers did that the Packers usually won on a rather easier basis. Like said in article he IS NOT THE SMARTEST guy on the filed as he thinks! Spread the ball around, when some one is open hit him. Rodgers looked like after the Lewis fumble he stopped trusting anyone except Adams!

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:56 am

I’d be willing to pay Joe Judge, the former Giants HC to take on STs. I don’t think he’s getting much interest for head coaching roles. He needs some time to regroup, and was very good as an STC.

Other than punting money forward, there is little Ball can do to change the cap reality. We already have dead money next year from all the void year contracts. There is a limit to what one can carry without hamstringing the future. If we are moving in from Rodgers then take the hit next season and get experience while Love, Benkert or someone else experienced growing pains.

If we bring Rodgers back, it’s going to be with a lesser roster and a very much younger one. I see very little reason to believe that that is a recipe for success next year, though it might, if we are really astute, help us down the road. There is virtually no chance we retain Adams. Rightly he’s going to want a huge chunk of money as he approaches 30, ideally guaranteed, but at least front loaded. We can’t handle that and we shouldn’t take that on without Rodgers. We’d need younger receivers to grow with a new QB.

The lack of the illusion of complexity has been persistent all year. The failure to target catchers not named Adams has also been the norm in most games. I am increasingly if the belief that the rapprochement involved LaFleur essentially submitting to Rodger’s wishes. He doesn’t like option and 2 back sets. He wants to target whom he pleases and I think he wanted Kelly and Turner on his line when we couldn’t have Bakh.

All of those predilections proved harmful. This looked less like a LaFleur offense than the previous year and was notably less effective. I come out of this season with considerable concerns about LaFleur’s ability to learn and lead. Yes, he’s got a good system that he brought and the players like him, but I don’t think he’s a man manager at the player or coach level. A coach who is a mentor and friend is not likely to win, a coach known to be subservient to a player loses credibility and a coach that can’t learn is easily out thought.

Perhaps rebuilding might give LaFleur a chance, but I think it’s time to start asking if he’s really got what it takes to lead. This season suggests to me that he may well be part of the problem and that Rodgers and he only magnify that when together. LaFleur may need to lose Rodgers to regain perspective and direction through working with younger, more malleable and, yes, less good talent.

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stockholder's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:42 am

More- I hate Rodgers and Love Jordan Love. You just keep ignoring MLF words. Jordan Love is Not Ready. If you really want to blow up everything. Dump them both. Take offers on Love And Rodgers. Put the Drama behind us. It will always come up, until we get another MVP QB. . Regardless- Save it for Acme

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:55 am

Love is not relevant as far as I’m concerned, the issue is Rodgers or “not Rodgers.” As I’ve said many times, I don’t necessarily think they will start Love next year and could see them bringing in a vet to start and give him another year.

I do not understand why you hate Love so viscerally. I do understand that this is not yet the time to trade him and that he has absolutely no role in this drama. I don’t hate him. I don’t feel anything emotionally and I’m not yet in a position where I have a final opinion on him as a player.

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stockholder's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:54 am

CBS ran an Article, on getting offers for Jordan Love when they extend Rodgers. Because of the Toxic Atmosphere. It might not hurt to get offers on both. Love will never be a MVP QB. If you still want to blow up everything. Per your Fire Sale.

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:36 am

I don’t know what Love will be, but the likelihood is that we don’t have another MVP QB in a while now, whoever is playing. Love is still cheap and we will have some form of competition, but he needs to play with the starters in preseason as his next step (and the team’s).

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:37 am

I've come to accept over the last week that Tom Brady is the GOAT, and that Aaron Rodgers never will be, no matter what anyone says about his skills as a passer.

Aaron Rodgers needs to come to accept that all wide receivers can have value and are capable of making plays, even if they are not All-Pro caliber.

Matt LaFleur needs to come to accept that unless he finds a way to rein in Aaron Rodgers (or elevate Jordan Love), he will never be seen as anything more than the beneficiary of Aaron's talent.

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Razer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:50 am

...Matt LaFleur needs to come to accept that unless he finds a way to rein in Aaron Rodgers (or elevate Jordan Love), he will never be seen as anything more than the beneficiary of Aaron's talent...

Very well said. Is the mic on the floor?

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packer132's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:50 am

Great points Al! Nobody knows what Rodgers will do, but many have a strong feeling that he is gone after that loss. That will hurt in the short run, but GB needs a quarterback who will follow the system. I saw a mock with 6 possible QB's for GB either in a trade or free agency. The team has a very good core of young players, and losing starters will be hard, which gives someone else a chance to step up their game. I am looking forward to the next couple of months and the NFL draft in 90 days.

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gpt999's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:08 pm

Yes! A QB that will follow the system! The first series was scripted and guess what - Touchdown! After that, just AR doing what HE WANTED TO DO! Who is running this team anyway?

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4thand1's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:51 am

This is the worse loss in decades. I was expecting to see a KC/GB Super Bowl. Way to many glaring mistakes for a number one seed and this many veterans on the roster. 10 points is a total embarrassment, especially when they finally had a defense to hold a team to 6 POINTS! And now here comes year two of total drama, at least Rodgers says he won't retire and untire, lmao ( a shot at Favre perhaps)?

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Juraj's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:51 am

Hi everyone! Why do we have to always build our franchise QB? Why do we have to start a Love era? He has proven to be a bad pick. No leadership skills, poor ball management. The guy can barely be 2nd QB and should be released eventually.
Let's do some trading! Trade 12, tag&trade 17 to the clubs that have a lot of salary cap space. Trade both to Cleveland and get Baker and some sugar back. Trade 17 to 49ers and get Jimmy G and some sugar in return and trade 12 to Denver for a handful of draft picks. Trade 17 for Russ or trade both to Vegas for Carr and some sugar. There are so many options...let's do business!!!

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barutanseijin's picture

January 26, 2022 at 06:50 pm

I don't know about Love yet, but to argue about QBs would miss the point.

I agree. The fatal flaw of GB team building since Starr has been QB-centrism. A good QB gets you so far, but even with a Brady, you won't get all the way unless you have a few other great players and a generally solid team.

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stockholder's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:06 am

I agree you have a point. But we have to take the good with the bad, with Rodgers. Why throw everything down the drain? I Loved your ILB comment. It was a revolving door. Every time the draft showed it's strength at a Position. It was ignored. Gutey drafted a CB. Yet Douglass; a FA outplays everyone. And Campbell after so many trades and misses, comes in and makes all -pro. My hope is for the DL next. But : Seems we need to fix the STs first. New Coach please-

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Coldworld's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:01 am

Gute found Douglas and Campbell, he’s not TT and operates outside of the draft heavily. It’s not where they come from it’s whether one finds talent or not. Case in point Nijman, a player you tried to use to beat Gute around the head for wasting a roster spot on so many times.

Get over your Gute fixation for your own good.

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stockholder's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:42 am

Nijman? Then why start Turner there? Goodness Gracious what fixation?

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jurp's picture

January 27, 2022 at 01:24 pm

You need to reread your old posts - it's glaringly obvious.

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Roadrunner23's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:16 am

LOVE IS THE ANSWER

JORDAN LOVE IS NOT

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BruceC1960's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:28 am

How do you “rein” Rodgers in. Put him in time out, make him run stadium stairs, sit his $40 million on the bench or send him to bed with no dessert? If in fact he is unwilling to play within the system, he needs to go.
I hear lots of mention of Degaura’s drop, but nothing about Kittle’s? Are those different?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:48 am

Yes, Al, it is the time. I was for immediate trade last off season, but have no objection on another push. For me, it is hardest pain from 2011, but not because we lose, but because our D played the best game from 2010 NFCCG. I'm sorry for them and that hurts me. And I'm hurt because of Lazard, AJ Dillon, little because of ESB and because of Nyman - I bet on a lot that Billy Turner on the LT was Aaron Rodgers request. Small answer from MLF to reporter on question "why they chose Turner on LT" was neutral "we believed we put the best players on the field!".
For me, very significant.

Now, I'm waiting next week Polluted Minds from you, after this pain goes little easier.

Anyhow thank you for sharing your thoughts during the season. I respect them.

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ckoski's picture

January 26, 2022 at 09:51 am

I listened to a podcast with Mitchell Schwartz earlier this week where he floated an idea that made some sense on the offensive line shuffling question that so many are bringing up. He started with a long explanation supporting the cohesion idea vs. moving pieces around. Then, when asked why they would do it anyway, he said his best guess was that the team was planning as though Bakthiari would play, with either Turner or Kelly at RT, with the other as the swing tackle, and Nijman getting minimal practice reps. When Bakthiari couldn't go, they then chose the guys with the reps instead of putting Yosh out there cold. They shouldn't have expected Bakthiari to play, given what he put out in his interview with Nagler, and I believe he only practiced one day, so I would think Nijman would have gotten reps, but the concept made some sense. Schwartz was clear that it was just a guess based on experience. He wasn't claiming to know anything. Who knows?

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Dragon5's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:15 am

Al, I was shocked not to see more screens, quick slants, and short crosses.  With MVS out, we knew we weren't going to stretch the field.  Despite SF's attacking speed, LaFleur could have still offset that strength that with motion and misdirection.  Anyone who watched the other divisional games saw how impactful those short routes were--not only to move the chains, but for explosive gains too.  BTW, what ever happened to the draw play to defeat a strong pass rush--has it become extinct? There is a deep psychological "choke" stigma with our franchise...if I'm Mark Murphy, I would address this internally within the established culture...consistently finishing weak does not reflect well on the organization...Tony Robbins? Whatever it takes.

Davante will not only enter his enemy year Feb 1st in a few days for the '22 season, he'll enter a personal 7 year on his birthday in late December 2023--so he's at high-risk for injury for the next 2 years, and like Bahk & Jenkins, potentially postseason irrelevant when needed the most.  If you're a betting man, you're looking at a high risk-lower reward scenario, and further cap strapped hell while a star recovers.  As I had mentioned prior to Bahk's injury, extending him just prior to his enemy year could be a big (high-risk) mistake...could be deja vu all over again. Look to the future, sell high on the 12-17 connection, reap the rebuilding blocks; all good things come to end.

Looking forward (injuries) with the current roster, Patrick Lucas is a concern on the OL, Savage & Douglas in the secondary, PSmith & Whitney on the DL. All are entering personal 7 years on their birthdays this year, with PSmith also entering his enemy year. Mark Murphy & Jerry Gray are also entering personal 7 years--either could have health issues, or a slip on the ice type of situation.
7 Life paths will have above average perennial injury risk: Dillon, MVS, Douglas, King, Crosby. If Surtain could be had within a Rodgers/Adams package to Denver, NOW would be the time to sign & integrate Douglas (sell high) within that package for corner compensation, include PSmith, and King should be released. Douglas, King, PSmith will be in the same metaphysical space as MVS was this past season--extremely high risk for injury.

Now that 2021 season is in the books, I'm reposting my Aug 12th injury forecast. Home runs on Alexander, Jenkins, Scott...triple on MVS, doubles on Myers, Kelly, Turner, King, single on Dillon (unfortunately when it mattered most), and strike outs on Amos, Sullivan, Crosby.

<<Dragon5
August 12, 2021 at 02:04 pm

MVS leads the pack of injury prone players on the squad this year. 7 life path in a personal 7 year...don't hold your breath.

GREATEST CONCERN THIS SEASON--our SECONDARY. Alexander, Amos, Scott all in personal 7 years where injury risk increases. 7 LP King always a perennial risk, as is Sullivan, born on a 7 day. Barry's pressure heavy defense will have to be dialed down if secondary subs can't be trusted.

Jenkins is also in a 7 personal year. OLine could fall apart quickly should he go down while Bahk continues to recover. Myers and Kelly are born on a 7 days and will have above average injury risk as will Turner being in his enemy year (ditto Bahk)

Remaining injury concerns: 7LPs Crosby, Begelton, Dillon, and 7 day born Ramsey (who already bit the bullet last week)>>

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Roadrunner23's picture

January 26, 2022 at 12:04 pm

WTF??????????

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gpt999's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:17 am

Good article. Please publish more critical analysis articles like this versus the usual "everything is rosy" in GB stuff.

I agree with a lot that this article advocates. Especially

1. Special Teams - Just by saying that STs have been bad for years - over different coordinators - doesn't mean we should leave Drayton in place! He was just another disastrous hire/promotion. He must be changed IF GB can find a superior replacement. This may be difficult as any good candidate will question GB credibility/commitment in this area given all the disastrous hires over the past 10+ years.

2. Rodgers - He surely s**t the bed against SF. And I suspect STRONGLY it was on him more than play calling from MLF. You have to wonder if he has the sheer desire to win in the playoffs? Maybe he doesn't? So, if you sell the farm to bring him back, is everyone OK with the Rodgers/MLF winning the division and then putting in token appearances in the playoffs?

3. Defense - Wasn't it nice to see the occasional dominant defensive performance with GB this year? It was for me. With a good MLB, good corners and fewer "passive Pettine" schemes, I enjoyed this defense as much as the offense! I'd hate to see this go south as the team alleviates its salary cap issues to pacify a certain veteran QB lol!

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Swisch's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:35 am

It is time when the quarterback creates a disharmony and dysfunction that undermines the entire team at its highest places to the detriment of all of the Packers.
It is time when the quarterback threatens a most promising season for a title by holding out for obscure reasons, then comes back haughty instead of regretful.
It is time when the quarterback seems to decide who plays in the preseason and in the last game of the regular season (to the possible loss of MVS and Bakh).
It is time when we're all wondering if the quarterback is truly following the game plan of the head coach, especially in the key moments of momentous games.
It is time when we're always wondering how our moody quarterback will respond to a decision by the general manager or head coach by slyly sulking and causing uneasiness and unrest.
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Actually, it seems it was time last summer to trade Aaron Rodgers and start anew.
It appears the dignity of all who accommodated Rodgers in his haughtiness was diminished by allowing his dazzling deeds on the field to overwhelm principles.
Now there is not only the indignity but another disaster in the playoffs.
I realize we have to work with imperfect people (realizing that we are also imperfect), but at what point do we draw the line and tell a person he is way out of line? When do we say enough, even at the risk of reduced results?
Granted, these are difficult calls, but it seems Rodgers has indeed been given way too much deference as a diva, with the result of breaking our hearts.
At least now can we cut the ties to his delusions of grandeur?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:07 am

Thanks Swisch!

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HarryHodag's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:36 am

I want to go back to the regular season finale against the Lions. The most disturbing thing I saw was the lack of passion from the Packers. Yes, I know the game meant little. Yes, I know the starters were out for a good portion of the game. But it was a foreshadowing of what was going to happen two weeks later.

To the Lions, this game was the Super Bowl. They came out on fire and with passion. The Packers, as has been the norm for many years, came out and played like the game was already won. Fast forward two weeks. The Packers come out and relax and, yup, they lost.

So what is the continuity between Mike McCarthy's playoff fiascos and Matt LaFleur's? The quarterback. The tone is set by AR who thinks "relax" instead of 'go'. Both MM and MLF ended up giving up on the running game and relying on AR to win with passing. Jimmy G came out with fire in his eyes. They clearly wanted it much more than the Packers. Having watched the Lombardi years, the one thing the Packers never lacked was passion. They might get beaten, but they never 'relaxed'.

Sadly, I don't want Rodgers back. I think his talent is over shadowed by waning attitude. Vince said 'winning is the only thing' and the Packers might well not win much in 2022, but AR's absence might reignite some passion in this squad.

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Swisch's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:11 am

It seems Lombardi refined his understanding of "winning is the only thing" to mean that what matters is going all out to win each game by preparing to the fullest and in the right ways.
Striving to win is the only thing, not just participating.
I don't think Lombardi would have tolerated a haughty quarterback who intruded into coaching and personnel decisions, but would have kicked him in the ass on his way out the door.
Even winning with a dysfunctional superstar who holds everyone hostage to his moodiness seems unsatisfying; but the almost inevitable result is that the diva will break our hearts just when we least expect it.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:10 am

Have no doubt any WR not named Adam's would be excited and passionate about 2022 with a new QB knowing if you work hard and get open you can realistically expect passes in your direction. I know it would me

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Swisch's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:28 am

Even those of us who play touch football in the backyard know how much more fun it is to get some targets and touches during a game.
Although we may try our hardest regardless, there's nothing that increases our energy and alertness and esprit de corps than the rush of adrenaline that come from getting the ball once in a while.
We also know that this applies to other areas of life. When a leader asks for our ideas, or invites us to participate in a meaningful way, what wonders of motivation can come over us.
In the relentless struggles of this world for all of us, to encourage and involve others in a way that sincerely acknowledges their dignity and worth is truly to do the work of God.
At best we help others by attracting them to help, and we do it without them even knowing it.

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TarynsEyes's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:59 am

The Rodgers 'Trust' factor is apparently a huge problem now for the Packers. He talks about how every WR has grown in his Trust circle during the season and then pulls the carpet from under their feet when HE actually NEEDS them the most, in favor of his Last Dance partner Adams. If I'm a WR it would scare me more than thrill me to have Rodgers as my QB because he, by his Trust standard can ruin my career because of one dropped pass or an errant one by him that isn't miraculously caught to save his completion average stat or any other.

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Swisch's picture

January 26, 2022 at 02:04 pm

It's sadly funny if Rodgers and Adams seriously put forward any idea of a "Last Dance."
They never had a first dance.
Adams was perhaps in high school the last time Rodgers won a Super Bowl so very long ago.
That was likely a more humble and coachable Rodgers way back in 2010.
It seems with both Favre and Rodgers, their egos have significantly tarnished the second half of their careers.
Their personal stats in the regular season are astounding, but their performances in the playoffs degenerated into embarrassment.
It's true that sometimes great quarterbacks don't win it all due to a variety of circumstances; however, there is often something about quarterbacks that do win consistently that goes beyond highlight reels and individual accolades.
It's sad that Rodgers doesn't seem to get it even now.

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Qoojo's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:02 pm

I restrained myself from talking about the clique AR has formed. Where WRs didn't go to offseason mini-camps because his majesty won't like it and you risk falling out of trust. Then it takes 2-3 years before AR deigns to look the WR's way.

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PeteK's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:53 am

Some creative accounting could bring back Rod/Adams, but lose a host of solid defensive players. So if we couldn't win in the playoffs with all those players , how will we do it without them. Trade the aforementioned players and receive many top draftees in return and maybe not get to the playoffs, but get a good start on the partial rebuild. Compete in 2023 with a healthier cap situation, seasoned rookies, and more draftees. Now that's what I call a beautiful mystery. It's Time!!
Denver, as of right now, does not have a QB, have 40 mill in cap space, a solid group on both sides. Do we take a first and Fant or more picks. Browns have cap space and a solid team, but need Adams as another weapon for Mayfield.

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Roadrunner23's picture

January 26, 2022 at 12:12 pm

It would be very interesting for Cheesehead TV to put out a poll in one of these columns to see how many want Rodgers to stay or go. Judging from the venom in these reply's I would say it’s 25% stay and 75% go. What do you all say?

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JerseyAl's picture

January 26, 2022 at 12:37 pm

I will publish a poll this afternoon.

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Roadrunner23's picture

January 26, 2022 at 12:49 pm

Thank you Al

You're the Best

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splitpea1's picture

January 26, 2022 at 12:29 pm

All of this stuff is spot on. Now if you could just e-mail this article to the front office to make sure they're on the same page....

I don't know how this stuff works, but if the Packers do hire that special teams coach with the proven track record (I still would have to see it before I believed it), I would hope he's given some initial input on player acquisition, because some of these guys obviously need to and will be replaced. And the Packers front office could sure use the outside expertise in this area.

The playoff pain list doesn't include the Sherman teams; there's some pretty gory stuff back there, too. That's an almost Santa Claus-sized list considering we're only about one-fifth of the way through the century.

Personally, no more reflecting--it's time to start a new era in Packer history. We need to see what Love's all about, and a more assertive MLF captaining this ship. Now is as good a time as any to start the offensive rebuild, as the rest of the division is relatively weak. And assuming a couple of key players make it back from injury, we have a good group on the OL already in place.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:18 pm

It. Is. Time. for a D-I-V-O-R-C-E.

A divorce can be beneficial to both (mature) parties - providing a new and fresh start to each. Unfortunately, if one party is attempting to be mature and responsible - while the other is not - then discord, acrimony and bad endings are often the result.

The signs were all there - beginning in the off-season with Rodgers becoming the house dad to a group of super cool youngsters - then his no-play training camp - then his immunization deception - then his no practice regimen during the regular season - to ultimately his 3rd-in-a-row playoff hairball.

So let's divorce and end this sham of a "beautiful mystery."

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dobber's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:16 pm

Overall, the comment that the Packers don't see themselves as entering a rebuild is justified as them saying, "we had an awful lot of backups playing this year. Most of our 2022 starters are already here. They just might not be the names that sat atop of the depth chart in August 2021."

Semantics? Maybe. Truth? Probably.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:22 pm

From the PR manual - to keep the revenue streams flowing.

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PeteK's picture

January 26, 2022 at 05:42 pm

Absolutely , teams can win many games with a good defense and O line.

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PeteK's picture

January 26, 2022 at 05:45 pm

A return of Bak and Jenkins could make this O line one of the best. Then watch thunder and lightening blast opposing defenses.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 27, 2022 at 12:40 am

Jenkins will not be ready until next December, earliest.

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TXCHEESE's picture

January 26, 2022 at 04:30 pm

The only realistic way to keep Rodgers and field a competitive team next year without truly going in to cap hell, is for Rodgers to tear up his current deal and give the Packers a team friendly alternative....and that ain't happening. This loss was 80% Rodgers and 20% ST. Last year I gave him a pass in the NFCC, but you can't look past this failure. His long shot to Adams at the end was inexcusable. Both Lazard and Adams were in the same vertical quadrant of the field...he couldn't help but see Lazard on that play.

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Qoojo's picture

January 26, 2022 at 04:31 pm

Al summed it up nicely. I eventually reach the conclusion with Favre, that he probably wasn't going to win another superbowl with the packers because he would eventually throw a critical INT under pressure. I felt a vindicated a bit when Favre held true to form in the Saints vs Vikings playoff game.

AR has had issues 3 playoff years in a row where he seems incapable of being his normal self, and he doesn't really do anything. Doesn't rise to the occasion. I am really conflicted on whether he is at the point I saw with Favre. Maybe AR is too big for any offense, and feels like he needs to run his own plays. His arrogance is his downfall like Al alluded to about being smartest guy in the room.

Maybe it is time for a new chapter.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:01 pm

I lost faith in him in 2014. As poorly as Russell Wilson played, Rodgers was even worse, just without the INTs. (And by the way, Aaron, if INTs are so critical, why do guys with more INTs beat you all the time?) It's been the same story every year. The guy can't do it. He couldn't or wouldn't adapt to get back to the super bowl when he was younger. He's not doing it now when his physical skills are diminished. He's done as an elite QB.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 27, 2022 at 04:06 am

Well, Aaron Rodgers threw one INT in that 2014 NFCCG, targeting someone covered by Sherman in the first half, I believe after Packers ST produced fumble on Seattle try to return kick off - that was throw from RZ. Just to remind you & correct your post!

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gpt999's picture

January 26, 2022 at 06:58 pm

Good, critical article. Very comprehensive. Try my Wonder List:

I WONDER IF MLF went home Saturday night wondering why AR hijacked his plays / ignored open receivers to throw almost exclusively to #17? What did I do wrong? He won an MVP last year with my offense and will likely win it this year? Why did he do this to me? Why would I want him back if he won't execute the plays I call?

I WONDER IF the senior management / Board of the Packers read this fan input on Rodgers? Or will they just arrogantly ignore it? The overwhelming opinion from fan comments clearly point to wanting him to traded.

I WONDER IF the senior management / Board of the Packers believe that the Packer Corporation need not be run as a real company? Accordingly, how can real companies spend money outlandishly, fail and still want to do it all over again next year? Sounds a lot like a government-run organization to me! Overspend, pile up debt and keep on spending with questionable results all the while damaging your future seasons. Yup, that's government all right.

I WONDER IF the issue with the Packers start right at the top - Mark Murphy? Clearly, he is in DENIAL over many issues ranging from performance of coaches (Mo Drayton), playoff results, getting good value for the corporations assets/cash, and as above, fan opinions. His product is flawed! A competent CEO would get his head out "the sand", evaluate and make tough, corrective changes. I have not heard any such emotion or seen such actions from this man. Perhaps a real corporations' Board of Directors might not evaluate Murphys' leadership very favorably? Perhaps a real corporation would tell him to correct these problem or fire his sorry a**? But, that's what a real corporation would do...

I WONDER IF AR really believes that fans are primarily critical of him because of his vaccination status? Lord, he probably does. The state of denial can be a comforting place I suppose?

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Shinesman's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:50 pm

I don't agree with everything, but as you said.... we pounded for a real ILB since Bishop left. We finally got one (purely by chance as Gute tried to go cheap on the pickup), and it basically made Joe Barry look like he turned it all around.

If they go to rebuild I really belive thinking Love can lead this team is stupid. You need to meet with all the core players and approach them with a 3 year plan. Stay with us and commit while we turn this around fast. We will bolster the OL and DL, get some real WRs, and a true QB who can run an offense.

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Oppy's picture

January 26, 2022 at 08:36 pm

Al, we've seen the offense completely suck when Rodgers just decides to take over and audible/call whatever he wants.

You may remember it, while I don't remember the exact season.. The year MM gave up play calling duties to focus more on the entire team.

Half way through the season, MM took back play calling. Within a few more weeks, Rodgers was freelancing so heavily, and the offense hurt because of it, MM uncharacteristically told the press straight up: I'm revoking Rodgers' ability to audible out of the plays. He's only going to get two choices: Run or Pass, but that's it, on any given play I call into the huddle.

Rodgers mean mugged, frowned, and bristled like a disgruntled teenager. But within two or three weeks, the offense was back to running like a machine, and slowly, MM let Rodgers start having more freedom again.

We've seen this shit before. People like to forget. Rodgers got served humble pie by MM that year, and Rodgers knew MM was right.. and he NEVER forgave MM for it. Eventually, he undermined his coach to the extent it would get him fired.

Now, do I think MM is without blame? No, he was definitely culpable. I'm fairly sure part of the reason he gave up play calling in the first place back then was he had grown tired of trying to keep his QB on a leash and tired of having to walk around on eggshells with the complicated fella. I also think, in the end, MM just kind of gave up for the same reasons..

But there's no doubt in my mind Rodgers has at least through spurts ignored the play calls and done his own thing. I mean, for the love of god, it was only two years ago we had WR's telling us Rodgers would blatantly tell them to ignore their position coaches and do what he said instead, and it was understood if they didn't, Rodgers wouldn't throw to them, but if they did, they were in trouble with their coach..

What more do we need to know? Packers fans are finally waking up. I hope some are willing to go back and watch old games from the last 6 years. They are going to be surprised at what they notice now that eyes are open.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 26, 2022 at 10:26 pm

It's never a bad time to think about the Cheeseheadtv Draft guide. That thing is a masterpiece.

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Coldworld's picture

January 27, 2022 at 11:25 am

It will be extra challenging this year, since we don’t know what the roster going into the draft will look like.

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greengold's picture

January 28, 2022 at 07:10 am

It. Is. Past. Time.

Good, thought provoking work as always, Al, but you’re definitely in conflict: Pointing to Rodgers’ known & incessant commandeering of important games to our own detriment, and calling for Russ Ball to work what kind of miracle, exactly? To destroy the rest of our team to keep a known choker over an 11 season sample? At what point do you cut your losses and get what you can in trade to end this run of futility?

The only “ miracle,” Russ Ball needs to work is how to best spend the cap savings after Aaron Rodgers is traded.

It. Is. Past. Time.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 30, 2022 at 03:31 am

Al, Fine work. Perfect summation of what we are.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 30, 2022 at 03:43 am

Testing

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Tundraboy's picture

January 30, 2022 at 12:35 pm

Tundra

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