Actually, all reports from the days Packers were drafted ACR was pretty negative on his mechanics as the first and foremost miscue he had to change. Second was his field scanning that was almost non existent. The third objection was non consistent accuracy of his throws. All were agreed that he has huge talent, cannon instead of arm, that he is very intelligent, but "cocky". They all agreed that he needs few years of development to become legit NFL starter.

How I know that? It was published on Packers.com when one fan stated, in Vic chat "Ask Vic" how Aaron Rodgers was ready from the very begging he was drafted and Vic posted several links what scouts said about ACR before draft. Vic pointed out that 2 things was the reason why teams let him fall down the 1st round - first was "not readiness" to play immediately and, by Vic opinion, his cockiness (read arrogance)!

And , later in his career he had several statement how Mike McCarthy and his Summer QB school and work of Tom Clements with him helped him to reach the level he was at the time he said those statements.

That is what I can say about how good he was at the beginning...

I’m not sure when Clements came to GB, but Favre had a couple good seasons at the very end of his career. He had looked completely finished in 2005.

We did last year. That’s the point. The window closed and that what cap does, slowly throttles. This situation became untenable and now it looks like we have accepted that and will take our medicine, unpleasant as it may be till we recover enough to build around whomever. By which point Rodgers may no longer be playing anyway and would almost certainly not have been if he remained. We had our cake, ate it, and kept trying eat it again.

I can see why Rodgers wants Lazard and Cobb. They will know his tendencies right from the get-go as the other Jets WRs learn how Aaron plays. More than half of Cobb's catches last year went for a first down. He is still a reliable 3rd down option for Rodgers. He's savvy enough to know how to get open when they need a few yards. Same with Lazard; both of those guys are reliable when the play breaks down and for called plays. They'll be in the right spot at the right time.

Lewis, I'm not so sure. I know Rodgers sees Lewis as a guy who brings tremendous leadership to the locker room. I don't know if the Jets are in need of that, but I think, along with his blocking and intermittent receptions, he brings that.

I would use the term "reliance" before I'd use the term "comfortable." He's comfortable with those guys because he know he can rely on them.

Weren't you the guy that said Rodgers wasn't going anywhere? Like about a week or so ago?

10 thumbs down!!

YEA BABY!! 😊

Living in reality isn't it all its cracked up to be ...i guess.
Maybe i need to chug some lemon lime kool aid with gold sprinkles 😉

I'd slow the roll a little here, on proclaiming there is no doubt he will excel.The biggest thing young QBs with talent struggle with is consistency. Plenty of first rounders with talent fail in the NFL for lack of consistency despite having a strong arm and looking like a franchise QB at times. Only time will tell if Love will be consistent in developing once defenses get to know him and his tendencies and start to game-plan for him. So far he's had zero teams game-plan a defense to stop him.

I am still waiting for my sandwich and coffee... just sayin...

LaFleur stating that Love threw more passes in mini camp of 21 than he had all 2020 was a stunning comment. It’s up there with not having a game plan for Love by November 2021 in a Covid year as well. Also with the realization that Bissacia had to demand some contact periods for ST, there never having been any previously.

Just Say No to Carson Wince. Gardner Minshaw is a guy I liked out of college. Love can throw the deep out and long ball, just give him a competent O line. Do not set him up to be a Target, just to save a couple shekels.
Love was compared to Herbert, yet he didn't get reps in his Greenhorn year?

"Love doesn't have anything, yet. There's nothing he could really add: he's the the top of the depth chart absent 12, but the Packers are going to have to find a backup QB with some experience and there's no guarantee that Love will outplay that guy. If I'm a QB with some starting experience who's on the open market and looking at places where I could get a chance to start, I'd be looking very closely at GB and perhaps take less money on that risk."

Somehow I think Love is the starter no matter who they bring in... I heard rumblings about Matt Ryan. I'd bet Love would start before Ryan would and I'd hope he would.

From everything I have heard it isn't a hold up with Rodgers. Its a hold up in compensation with the Packers. Packers want multiple 1st round picks and Jets don't want to give that up.

But no, lets just blame Rodgers because you know he is a selfish fuck.

Lets not let the truth change that narrative though.

Arrogance works while you win. After that, it can come back to bite you hard. Look to Starr not to Brady if you want a model to compare wise behavior.

Rodgers isn’t going to be around in the league long enough to develop Nelson or Adams level chemistry with anyone. Why do you think he doesn’t want to be part of a rebuild and wants a veteran O? He knows that. He will be 40 this year. Reality is cruel sometimes, but it’s better to grasp it at some point.

WestCoastPackerBacker

"Maybe I'll get on the Jordan love train eventually, but I know so little about him as a man and a player; he is just a big question mark."

Try to find on You Tube Mark Sanches "4th and forever" with Jordan Love. You'll learn a lot about Jordan Love in 38 minutes.

https://youtu.be/ukzRoLkADLA

"Wouldn't YOU like to have the power to control your fate at work, at least in part?"

Who wouldn't? For example I wouldn't. Why? Because with power of control comes responsibility. You and ACR forget that. It is easy to be decision maker from the shadow with no accountability for what you want and do.

If ACR wanted to be GM, I have no problems, but that job also requests accountability. If he wants to be OC, HC or play caller, OK, let it be. But than do not call others for your failure. Or do not act as it was not your job. Many people wrote here that MLF scheme is not good and that his offense is impropriate for the team. All we knows is that ACR had the right to change play calls at the line of scrimmage. But we do not know how often he did that. It is easy to throw over (well he is one hell off a thrower isn't it) responsibility to the lap of the man who should be his superior. And it is not nice to throw over responsibility to his subordinates, also.

If you want power (or might if you like) there is the price you have to be willing to pay (or receive). What I saw last season was the man who take payroll for position of power and did not accept responsibility at the same time.

Everybody (he included) talks how NFL is rude business. Still all of them accepts to be part of that ruddiness, just to complaint when it happen to them. Mark Murphy was right, there is no many players that ended career playing only for one franchise. Packers had few. It is rare in business that you'll stay with one company all your working life. So?

What he wants? That for every player whose contract expires should have farewell party organized by Packers? Is that what he wants? Or what.

I do not say that he is the only reason for Green Bay Packers to have cap issues or misunderstandings between him and organization, but he helped to achieve that level of misunderstandings. When you argue with somebody it is always both parties responsibilities for that argue.

He also said that he would like to get DIRECT and HONEST statement after season ended. When he said something DIRECT and HONEST to the FO? He did not say I will retire, but let me have enough time to think about it - several seasons in the row. Is that direct or not? You know I might do this or that. Let me think about it. OK, he got answer. We do not know how long do you need, but please come with the decision before (put any date you like to put). Because Packers also has needs to know what they will have to do if the decision is this or that. Is that so hard to accept? He said, I do not know, this is the long process, but I knows deadlines. Does he?

He got the info that Packers shopping him around? Did he call the Packers to ask them do they? To get straight and DIRECT and HONEST answer. We do not know. Do we?

So, what he is doing? He is complaining how Packers did not RESPECTED him. Did he RESPECTED Packers?

Many people here do not understand what he is doing. He is playing games with Packers, sending cryptic statements and choosing the words to show he is not the BAD guy, They (Packers) are. When he got cryptic message from Packers, he misunderstood it and now he is hurt how Packers treated him. Remember, Gutekunst said: "We want all our guys back!" Was he thinking ACR is in that group, we DO NOT KNOW! ACR obviously thought he is. I doubt. That was cryptic message from Brian to Aaron he fail to understand. He broke that relation beginning of the draft 2021eve. And cemented it by his press conference he had in the beginning of the TC season 2021. I have no doubt that Brian Gutekunst has some ego to. He has to have to be able to run bunch of the people in business depended on believes, thoughts and evaluations (crystal ball business). And I believe he never forget that off season and will never get over it. I know I wouldn't. Even if ACR said nothing else but the truth, ACR should know that those kind of things in business should and would be discussed behind closed doors.

If I'm at the Gutekunst position I would say to Aaron that we do not see future with him, that we plan to go younger and build the team for the new window to win SB. I would. No matter what Mark "we are not idiots" Murphy would say. I would risk my job for that. But that's me. Brian may have some reasons why he did not do that. Maybe he get tape over his mouth by mentioned Mark? Maybe he was kept away while Aaron was still in the Green Bay. Who knows.

Also, as I recollect, Jets were the first who asked about ACR trade, than it was Panthers, too. Jets were more pushy and Panthers decided not to go through that street. We even got the information that Jet was not the first who asked, it was 49ers. Does that mean shopping?

Did Packers waited ACR to go to darkness retreat to start shopping him? I doubt. Because nobody knows when ACR will do that. He did not report that to anyone except his "inner circle". Even "3 hours long" Pat was surprised when he got ACR on his show before SB. We all thought that he will take that treatment before SB. We were wrong. So, did Packers knew? By Brian Gutekunst statement Packers has very few contacts with ACR during the off season.

So, stop the crap. This situation is product made from both side. I think Packers made some mistakes, ACR did some mistakes. They did not clear their position from the start of the new FO era and it produced a lot of misunderstandings.

Stop believe in everything what any of those parties are saying. This is the business. In business you gave and accept false "promises". Only concrete thing in the business is signed contract. They should start from there. There will be clear who signed it from Packers organization and should be held responsible for all this drama today.

Turophile, nice post.

Also, WCPB, good comments, as usual.
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One thing about all the fans who seem to have scathing hate at Rodgers. I always smile when i read their comments for a few reasons.....

I'm thankful that i learned long ago when i was much younger. When you carry hate (of any kind) the only one your hurting is yourself.
Because you look shallow minded, it effects your demeanor
Most importantly....the person/thing you hate, might not even know you, or give a ..... what you think.

Life is too short for hate, period.

Correct. You appear at the Jets' office to sign the contract.

Hell, Schefter is still reporting that the Jets want to re-work AR's contract! I know that AR said he has consented to play for New York, but since I have no idea how to minimize the cap implications for the Jets save for a pay cut or moving the date his 2024 roster bonus becomes fully guaranteed from February 16 to March 18, has he really consented?

I don't think a player has consented until the principal terms of a contract have been agreed upon.

And then there is the draft compensation.

Seems like there is a ways to go, here.

I'm finding it weirdly amusing to watch the Jets jump through the same hoops we jumped through the past two years - and wondering if maybe we can get Elijah Moore in the trade, since they'll have to carry at least two more WRs than they want to. Or maybe Copeland, who may be cut if not traded.

The Vikings love to sign Packers retreads, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they sign him and Cobb after 23 (assuming a non-playoff season).

To keep other teams from snatching him up, while we apply that small amount of cap where?

I'm just curious, TGR. Seems to me, this was a top get for the Packers from their players hitting FA. Seems a very reasonable amount to secure him back onto our roster.

I'd have to disagree. He's a difference maker on KO and Punt Returns. Now the punter has to really consider where on the field he is going to try and place the ball. We've gone so long with terrible ST's play that we don't even realize what it can actually do for a team. Him and Coach B will help this team win one or two games all on their own. I think that's worth those dollars.

The best value RB available this year is arguably in the draft. That’s likely to chill any big investments. If teams become convinced that they won’t have a shot at him, then maybe someone takes a risk but McCaffrey’s health has already been gambled on and retained by the 49ers, and he, if healthy, is likely the best that was out there.

Thanks for the correction - I hadn't seen, heard, or maybe just remembered that Rodgers still recognizes Clements' importance to his career.

It’s certainly possible. Rodgers took significant strides at about the same time in his tenure, and he’d had Clements and QB schools in addition. Of course it could be both. Clements is a very experienced, good technical QB coach.

His biggest area of improvement was to work on his footwork and release point as it was for Favre and Rodgers in the WCO. Get his hips and thighs punching power forward in rotation, just like a tennis player.

His own game plan would be a good start

I think everyone will hold him to your guidelines or even be more demanding.

We haven't changed QBs very often, so please don't blame optimism.

Many on this site and fans in general go with the flow of the moment and change course so it fits their new narrative. Last year many were saying Love was trash and now that he will be starting QB he has all this potential. you just have to ignore it.

however, that $60 million guarantee is like a mouse trap with a big ole piece of cheese just sitting there.

It's gonna be a different animal, man!!! No doubt.

How many times did we see Daniel Snyder go all-in, only to become a laughing stock? That wasn't just a thing. It was an annual thing.

Get this done, Packers, before the draft... it's best to move on, forward in this "young man's" game.

I don’t think Love can be expected to put up those numbers early on and we need to be careful not to expect him to. Rodgers didn’t. What we want to see from Love is adequacy and signs of growth. Rodgers should outplay him this year as Favre did Rodgers till hurt. If Rodgers doesn’t then his decline is truly greater than I think we collectively expect or Love should have been playing last season.

Love is almost certainly going to be up and down. That’s experience. We just have to hope that the ups slowly take over and that LaFleur gives him an offense that supports that. In the meantime our cap recovers and guys like Watson and Doubs develop and build a rapport and some others like Toure and even some among the likes of Austin Allen and Melton on the PS emerge along with Wyatt, Walker and Tom do ing do in other facets.

That’s the realistic source of hope for 2024 and beyond. Anything this year is a pure bonus. That should give Love time and we should let it.

Hahaha! Trade them away for a big draft haul before they go “full Diva!” Brilliant!

Everything comes to an end. Every athlete ages. No QB is unimportant but also no QB can overcome opponents alone. To win they need an at least adequate defense and offensive personnel and depth and competent game planning, strategy, tactics and personnel usage. At the same time they tend to cost more and so do those they want around them. At some point those paths intersect. That was the case a year ago.

Can Rodgers have an Indian summer? He’s got a better chance of that with a Jets roster a lot more like the one that carried Brady to his last Championship. It’s interesting though that Brady lured the likes of Gronk whereas Rodgers is allegedly urging Lewis, Cobb and Lazard on a team where maybe only Lazard makes sense as a role player and also wants oft injured post ACL OBJ. Looking at their roster, it seems that won’t necessarily make it better. Perhaps that’s the difference between him and Brady. If I was a Jets fan I’d be having some qualms if such things come to pass.

I think you continue to aim at the wrong target. Unless your beef is just draft picks and FAs, Murphy is the guy who shaped this since TT was officially retired and before by allowing Ball to step in to fill the void.

The team can't sign big name free agents since they have no cap space. If you do want some big FA signings, who do we get rid of?

It's March, we've had to wait 3 months for Rodgers to decide anything. The team is not yet formed. No need for doom and gloom. R.E.L.A.X

I think this is the way it should have been. Rich just seems to be a guy who would drive you, keep you accountable and forge a cohesive team. Unfortunately, we have the cart before the horse on this one.

PeteK,
Man.....this has to really suck for you! WOW!

What excites me out of this whole cluster f__k is knowing if this trade actually takes place Mr. Aaron Charles Rodgers ass will be about 995 miles from Lambeau field.

Heard, PeteK.
My cousin lives there. Been trying to share the positives with him, as he's heard all the negatives, for years. He's been a diehard Jets fan for as long as I remember... a lifetime.

Funny thing is, there are positives for the Jets, just like there are positives for the Packers, should they come up with a fair trade together.

One team building for the now, 2023-2024. The other, building for the future, beyond 2023-2024.

It will be the litmus test. If they do not secure at least a One pick in the deal, it will just be an exercise in money laundering. See if Packertown can play Hardball? I would not want Elijah Moore in any trade. The same guys in the draft can be had with rookie contracts.

Thank you MainePackFan, I did not know that Tom Brady asked for Antonio Brown and Edelman. I only got information that he wanted Gronkowski on the Bucs.

What that tells us. ACR is singing somebody's else song. Even with that he is not original. Interesting...

Brady wanted players he thought enhanced the roster in Tampa and most particularly Gronk. For much of the season Gronk was not a factor, but, when it mattered, was perhaps the difference. Antonio Brown and others were elite players with age or issues. I suppose one could argue OBJ might still be elite, but equally he might keep what they have off the field. I don’t see Lazard, Cobb or Lewis making a material difference.

There’s a difference in the seeming wish lists and their overlap with existing strengths that seems telling. How many he gets is just one part of it, it’s who he wants and why that is both interesting and possibly revealing. In the end, it was, Gronk aside, the existing core that got Brady another ring. One could argue that the rest of the big names were largely immaterial.