5 Takeaways From Packers 27 - 20 Giants: Jordan Love Silences the Doubters
Love put the Packers on his back on Sunday and carried them to victory over the Giants.
By markoldacres

Jordan Love silences the doubters
People who are clearly not actually watching the games, whether that be talking heads or even some dissenters within the fanbase, have erroneously been assigning blame for the Packers’ recent offensive woes on quarterback Jordan Love.
While it is true he has fallen into some bad habits due to the dysfunction of the rest of the offense around him, he has also put the team on his back several times this year, and Sunday was one of the most spectacular performances of his career.
His box score stats would have looked a lot better without the multitude of inexplicable drops from his pass catchers, but PFF awarded Love with the best grade of his career, a 93.1, beating the 92.5 grade he put up in Green Bay’s wild card win over Dallas back in 2023.
Love had an 85% adjusted completion rate, an 11.1% big time throw rate, his best mark since week one, and zero turnover-worthy plays. His 81.3 PFF grade under pressure was by far his best grade since back in week two.
With his defense giving up more points than expected, and his offensive teammates not executing, Love put on his Superman cape on Sunday.
Will the real Rashan Gary please stand up?
The arrival of Micah Parsons was supposed to provide Rashan Gary with less double teams and more opportunities to wreck shop.
He was able to pad his stats with some clean up sacks early in the year, but Gary has been anonymous too often for the Packers defense. He is averaging only 3.3 pressures per game, does not have a sack in the last three weeks and was outsnapped by Kingsley Enagbare this week.
Parsons is getting plenty of attention, drawing two or even three defenders at a time. Gary has to be more impactful when given premier looks. At this point, given his contract, he may be playing for his 2026 roster status the rest of the way.
Christian Watson is Green Bay’s best wide receiver
With Tucker Kraft out for the year, the Packers needed someone else to emerge as a focal point of the passing attack. Enter: Christian Watson, who has been incredible since returning from his ACL injury, hitting the ground running and looking like he had never been away.
As well as the two contested catch touchdowns he scored, Watson got the assist on Josh Whyle’s score with a legal pick play to take out a Giants defender, leaving the tight end wide open in the end zone.
There is no reason for Romeo Doubs to be commanding the lion’s share of targets, as he still did on Sunday with eight, despite having some inexcusable drops.
Not only is Watson more explosive and efficient of a target than Doubs, he is also actually more reliable, despite the difference in narrative around the two. Green Bay’s offense needs to be geared more towards Watson going forward.
Packers have no good options at kicker
It has been very easy to second guess every move the Packers have made around their kicker situation. I have certainly been guilty of it, and I’m still not ready to admit they have dealt with it correctly.
However, the general strangeness around how Brandon McManus has been handled is perhaps more understandable after watching Lucas Havrisik shank two extra points at MetLife Stadium.
It was a bizarrely windy day, so some grace has to be given, but it seems Green Bay might just be stuck between a rock and a hard place at kicker, and some of the criticism over how they have gone about deciding who will kick each week might be harsh considering that fact.
A bounceback game from Matt LaFleur
Some naysayers will refuse to give him credit for anything, and hand wave yesterday’s game away as ‘barely beating a two-win team’, but the fact is LaFleur called a great offensive game on Sunday.
He made the adjustments many had wanted to see, including less conservative play calls on 2nd down. The Packers offense finished off a drive for a touchdown after Love left with the shoulder injury, and the only thing that slowed them down in this game was untimely drops.
They also had to adapt to Josh Jacobs going down in the first half, and did so effectively. Sure, a lack of execution can in some way be tied to coaching, and of course it was not a perfect game from the coaches or players, but they moved the ball at will and LaFleur deserves credit for the way his team fought, put up points and found a way to win.
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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @MarkOldacres
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Comments (78)
jlc1
November 17, 2025 at 10:23 am
Lack of execution can in "some way" be tied to coaching? One game, maybe. Repeatedly? That's on the coaching staff and this team fails to execute in multiple ways every game.
TOMMY'63
November 17, 2025 at 05:02 pm
He's been hc now for 7 years my dear columnist, not from this year mate! The flower is like an old film ,rematch, always the same !
TOMMY'63
November 17, 2025 at 05:08 pm
Sorry typing error, always rewind ,the film the same! Anyway we play with what we have, coaches are we have,etc,etc. Hopefully next year policy cleans house , The flower and gm the good art,SENT FUCKING HOME! THE BOTH DID FUCK ALL!!!!
Rick5952
November 17, 2025 at 05:20 pm
If you think the coaching staff doesn’t go over executing plays ad nauseam in practice you’re mistaken. It’s up to the PROFESSIONAL football players to execute on the field.
arthurl
November 17, 2025 at 10:29 am
I would like to see more of Malik Willis in certain situations. The guy can ball and defenses game plan for Love and couple plays a game with Willis could give the offense a spark. Hoping the coaching draws up couple plays for him to give defenses something to think about. Watson is giving the O some much needed juice after Kraft went down.
HawkPacker
November 17, 2025 at 03:54 pm
I mentioned a few times last year to have Malik Willis run the wildcat a few plays each game. The opponent has to game plan for that and Willis can pass and run like his hair is on fire!
TOMMY'63
November 17, 2025 at 05:14 pm
Like payton did in new Orleans with the one fat Mike didn't have any ideas how to utilise? I'm with you mate! Does the flower have any creativity? In 7 years ,I have many doubts!
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:09 am
I've always thought this, but for some reason the NFL doesn't play that way. Seems like someone will exploit this idea sometime, then the copycat league will follow.
Leatherhead
November 17, 2025 at 10:52 am
That's kind of a shallow view, IMO.
Was it inadequate coaching that had Doubs with two drops? Was it inadequate coaching that prevented Musgrave from securing the ball?
We had zero turnovers and five penalties. We had well over 100 yards on the ground. We scored 27 on the road again....Dallas, Pittsburgh, Arizona, NY. That's 7 times in 10 games that we've hit 27 or more. And we held them to 20, which makes 7 times in 10 games we've held the opponent to 20 or less.
And all this is being accomplished with bad coaching? I don't think so.
TOMMY'63
November 17, 2025 at 05:23 pm
Then what is it ? All of the receivers and dbs have paralysis of the hands? Arthritis of the joints in the fingers and wrists,or does love throw bullets that break the fingers like old favre?
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 09:19 am
Clearly focus was lacking among the WRs.
Rick5952
November 18, 2025 at 01:57 pm
The coaching can’t make them catch balls. SMH.
Razer
November 17, 2025 at 10:58 am
Micah Parsons is the salvation of this defense. Without him we have very little pass rush or pressure. The Packers have been paying for average edge play going back to the Nick Perry days. Gary and Van Ness are just two more average guys in a long line of average. And I would be okay with that if we had two stud interior linemen who could collapse the pocket from the inside. Gutekunst isn't a trench builder on either side of the ball and Packer teams are handicapped as a result. I am not looking forward to teams running the ball and controlling the clock or average QBs having ample time to look good. We are still quite a ways from championship quality on either line.
DoubleJ
November 17, 2025 at 09:25 pm
Before he got hurt LVN was more than average. Hopefully he comes back at the same level.
Leatherhead
November 17, 2025 at 11:13 am
If the playoffs started today, we'd be the 7th seed, and the Great Dan Campbell would miss the playoffs.
Less than 2 years ago, the Lions were ahead at halftime of the Championship game. Last year, they didn't win a single playoff game. This year, they could miss the playoffs. This is called being in decline.
LambeauPlain
November 17, 2025 at 11:50 am
Packers are the current 6th seed a half game away from the 3rd seed, the surprising bares.
The lions have experienced a coaching drain to the bares in Ben Johnson who has the team playing excellent complementary football. Coaching does make a huge difference.
The bare O is playing well at OL and QB and skill positions. The D leads the NFL in turnover differential at +16. And their STs are solid...winning with a walk off 48 yard FG vs the Ugly Purple yesterday.
dblbogey
November 17, 2025 at 02:57 pm
I really enjoyed seeing Campell fail 5 times on 4th down.
stockholder
November 17, 2025 at 07:37 pm
Montgomery is out.
Dumb calls.
Starrbrite
November 17, 2025 at 10:44 pm
10-4 dblbogey—exactly my thoughts. I will say this about Campbell—his teams play hard.
But, I’ve always believed he’s a big dufus.
TKWorldWide
November 18, 2025 at 05:13 pm
Wait…some other team is struggling with….PLAYCALLING? I thought it was only MLF. 😂
Strat
November 17, 2025 at 07:24 pm
They don't start today. So when the Packers don't make the playoffs this year, they will also be in decline. You just sound like you hate the Lions, that's fine, but they're still the best team in the North.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:14 am
This is Packers country - we hate the Detroit kittens, and da Bares still suck. It's just that now they suck for winning enough games to be on top of the division.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 09:21 am
I don’t give a monkeys about Campbell unless we are playing the Lions and I certainly don’t use it to make me feel better about our performances as you seem to. FWIW Campbell will win some for his team and lose some for them. He’s done both against us as well. Worry about how we play not others and when LaFleur will win one for us next.
Leatherhead
November 18, 2025 at 05:43 pm
Why, Coldword, I was merely comparing. I mean, the Lions have been one of the better teams the last couple of years, and Campbell has gotten a lot of credit for it, (and for being a gutsy, "Go For It" guy.
As far as LaFleur's next win......that'll be career #73, good for 72nd place all time. He'll be one short of Forrest Gregg. He'll be 4 short of Kyle Shanahan, who has coached two years longer than LaFleur. It'll put him 31st on the "games over .500" list, one behind Chuck Knox. It'll put him #14 on the all-time winning percentage list, and 3rd among active coaches.
You are obsessively aware of LaFleur's warts, but you seem blind to his accomplishments.
Here's your nightmare: LaFleur stays, wins another 11 or so games next year, and now he's in the Top 50 of career wins, and you're going to be wailing about how we should fire one of the winningest coaches of all time.
Many, many things have to line up to win a Super Bowl; we'd be foolish to let Good be the enemy of Perfect. If he's as inept as you believe, the bottom will fall out eventually. I'll point out that Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games since we beat him in the Super Bowl in 2010. In five of those he missed the playoffs entirely. I think the much greater likelihood is that LaFleur is an above average coach, one of the better ones in the league, and we'd be stupid to fire him.
I like Campbell's regression to the mean. I'm enjoying their inevitable decline. Especially since he's one of the people regularly mentioned as being an improvement on LaFleur, all data to the contrary.
THESZOTMAN1
November 17, 2025 at 11:41 am
A win's a win, as they always say.
But my takeaway is another focus on O-Line. 2 sacks are OK, but Love was again under too much pressure too often. And the rushing offense is still problematic. Stats look pretty good, but if you take away big gains by Willis and Melton, we're under 100 yards. Again. So, at best raise O-Line grade from D- to C-. And now Jacobs is out. If he doesn't return soon, we have to handoff to Wilson and Brooks, who have showed up, but who lack bulk and who will need a LOT better blocking.
See the problem?
The Szotman
Coldworld
November 17, 2025 at 04:05 pm
One thing Wilson and Brooks do not lack is bulk. Wilson is 5’10 and 226 (the same height as Jacobs and essentially the same weight) and Brooks is 219, though he is slimmer at 6’1. Wilson rivaled Jacobs for yards after contact last year on his way to 500 yards. He’s currently amassed 220 at 4.2 ypc this season. Jacobs has 3 times that but only 3.8 ypc.
Of course Wilson is not Jacobs, but he’s carried the ground attack pretty well when calked upon over the last couple of seasons. He’s been pretty effective between the tackles. He doesn’t get the respect he deserves in my view. He’s a pretty good guy to have to spell Jacobs and can run the same plays.
Brooks isn’t as fast, but he’s got really good balance and you can see that in his blocking. He does not go down easily. He’s only on 3.3 ypc, but he’s only had 3 rush attempts. Last year he managed 189 yards at 5.1 a rush. He’s not Wilson and not Jacobs but he’s not chopped liver either. All 3 are physical pounding runners to bring down.
If LaFleur doesn’t get nervous without his big name and avoid the run, I think Wilson can deputize pretty well. The Vikings run D is in the bottom third of the league in rushing yards allowed per play, although they’ve mostly been beaten through the air. LaFleur should note that as well. Use the run consistently to keep them honest and set up play action and dent the rush, not to carry our offense.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:20 am
Wilson does not "lack bulk," and Brooks is our best pass protector. Very few RBs can bench 500 pounds like #8 can, hopefully he's ok ...
That NY could get pressure is unsurprising, that their O line allowed them to run all over and through us is ... concerning.
6 O linemen are needed. I haven't seen snap breakdowns for how often MLF has used that since losing #85.
Lphill
November 17, 2025 at 12:04 pm
Nothing to get excited about here, this was a injury depleted team with a quarterback that hadn't played in a year who looked like Tom Brady at times, yes a road win which is nice maybe less drops a higher score but it was still the banged up Giants.
LambeauPlain
November 17, 2025 at 12:26 pm
The most difficult 5 game stretch of the season starts Sunday.
Ugly Purple in Lambeau, Lions in Detroit on Thanksgiving, mini bye followed by bares in Lambeau, at Broncos, at the bares. 33-18 combined. And 4 North games.
This stretch will tell the tale. Could be 11-3-1 and looking to be North champs...even a possible #1 seed. Or could be 6-8-1 and likely done.
This needs to be LaFleur's best 5 game coaching performance during his tenure. Buckle up!
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 12:36 pm
Vegas odds for Lafleur's best HC performances for the next 5 games?
Packerpasty
November 17, 2025 at 02:01 pm
what's the odds of MLF sticking around if the Pack doesn't win the division or make a wild card spot????
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 02:50 pm
So I checked-in with my local bookie "Rashers Ronald." He quoted:
LaFleur firing - after no-playoff or early playoff exit - even money / 1-1
Also a prop bet - LaFleur coaching 5 great games in a row - 50-1
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:23 am
5 games? Which of the other two remaining games in the regular season are easier?
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 12:27 pm
So I wouldn't get too emotional about the kicking and LaFleur's play calling.
Re: the kicking. The wind was the kickers worst enemy. Yes the Packers didn't attempt a field goal but neither did the Giants. And there were no down-the-center converts by either team. Plus there may have been a shank or two from the Giants punter - that made Whelan's performance even more remarkable. In short - the game should not be a fireable offense for Havrisik.
Re: LaFleur play-calling. I would characterize the game for LaFleur as involuntary adjustments. Both the injuries to Jacobs and Love required LaFleur to dust-off different parts of the playbook. I thought that Willis was great - not the call to bring him in. And without Jacobs - whom LaFleur works like a rented mule - the Offense became more diverse and thereby less predictable. So still not considering a contract extension for MLF.
NFLfan
November 17, 2025 at 12:48 pm
Hafley is the only consistent high-achiever over there (FO/HC) and he will likely not remain.
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 12:57 pm
My ideal scenario is that immediately after the season MLF is fired and Hafley is offered the HC position - which he accepts.
Concurrently - Gutekunst will be given a contract extension. Sorry Nf.
Packerpasty
November 17, 2025 at 02:03 pm
if this were to happen...a big "if", then management had better do a very good search for a competent OC...
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 02:32 pm
Yes - a better OC and O-line Coach and ST Coach and...
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:26 am
He forgot to mention that Policy reverts the GM position to being an actual GM, in which case it's the GM's responsibility to secure a real OC, not some nebulous "management."
GPG!
Aldo
November 17, 2025 at 02:06 pm
Willis looks good every time he's in there, good enough to probably not be a Packer next year. My guess is he'll be bait to try to fill in some of the gaps in the draft.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:28 am
We want him as QB2 but should find ways to use him. Probably won't be able to keep him though ...
NFLfan
November 17, 2025 at 12:44 pm
Is anyone at the top giving feedback to Gute and MLF? Policy has not renewed their contracts for now but is he giving real-time feedback?
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 12:50 pm
I'm reasonably certain that in the hallways and board room of 1265 Lombardi Ave. - that both LaFleur and Gutekunst have become topics of conversation by the Directors. Although more so LaFleur than Gutekunst.
TXCHEESE
November 17, 2025 at 01:24 pm
I hope your reasonable certainty is completely wrong. Non-football people should not be making football decisions period. I suffered through the 70's and 80's and the root cause of the failings season after season was non-football people making hiring and firing decisions concerning the football people (coaches, gm's etc.)
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 02:26 pm
Not wrong at all. Directors are expected to be informed and knowledgeable on all aspects of the Packers organization. So that in a few weeks / months - when Ed Policy presents to the Board - his end-of-season report - including football operations. They will be prepared to vote on the soundness of any recommendations and plans that he may propose. Then Policy will proceed accordingly. Not the Board.
LeotisHarris
November 17, 2025 at 04:23 pm
I think its a 45-member BOD, with a certain number designated from outside of Brown County. The real power lies within the seven-member Executive Committee, and that committee is elected by the BOD, not appointed by the CEO/President. Per the annual report, the EC “directs corporate management, approves major capital expenditures, establishes broad policy, and monitors management’s performance in conducting the business and affairs of the corporation."
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 05:11 pm
Agree LH - the real power center of the GBP is the E.C. Also the body to whom Policy regularly reports to and confers with.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 09:30 am
The executive committee is a list nominated by the President. In reality, it’s his choices that are proposed and thus voted on. The president also controls full Board nominations as well.
Bitternotsour
November 18, 2025 at 10:29 am
People positing on the board and executive committee have clearly never run or been close to the top of an organization. One of Policy's duties is to manage a compliant board, and to keep it that way. The EC doesn't run the Packers, they fly in for boondoggles and vote the way they're advised to vote. As long as the Packers are fiscally sound, their work is done.
Policy holds the reins - he gets to hire and fire and he's experienced enough in the game to not go off half-cocked and make rash decisions. This is a conservative club who recognize their place in the community, the economy and in the NFL. If Policy extends the HC, it's because it's good business. Ditto the GM.
LeotisHarris
November 18, 2025 at 03:19 pm
CW, per the BOD bylaws, the Executive Committee is comprised of seven members; four are the elected officers, President (Ed), Vice-President (Mike retired BMO banker) , Secretary (Daniel snow machine guy), and Treasurer (Karl Belmark CEO). What about the other three members, you ask? Well, per the bylaws “the balance thereof shall be chosen from the Board of Directors”. So, if you're following along at home, the other three members are chosen from currently seated members of the BOD.
Again, per the Bylaws, when a non-officer vacancy occurs on the Executive Committee, a nominating committee is formed and its nominees are forwarded to the full Board for a vote. The nominating committee is comprised of currently seated BOD members.
Interestingly enough, the Packers present BOD candidates for a vote by shareholders at the annual meeting in July.
So, yeah, it's a self-perpetuating Board, for sure, but there are written procedures and hoops that must be jumped through before anyone with a notion of the meaning due diligence can say "ah yup yup yop that's what Ed said to do."
Leatherhead
November 18, 2025 at 05:50 pm
Once Upon A Time, we had an organizational structure that allowed a failing coach to make a disastrous trade.
So, we have safeguards. Lots and lots of safeguards. Boards, Executive Boards, CEOs, Finance, GM,HC....procedures about how things will be done so that we don't just keep doing stupid stuff over and over like some other teams. This is a stable organization full of stable people and it shows, year after year. We're the most successful team in this division since FA began; that's not an accident.
LeotisHarris
November 18, 2025 at 08:02 pm
Good story, LH, and I do love a good story from you. After Dan Devine committed the mortal sin of the John Hadl trade, the Packers continued with the combined Head Coach and GM role until Tom Braatz was hired in 1987 as VP of Football Operations and GM, with Forrest Gregg as HC. Bart Starr operated as Coach and GM from 1975-1980, and had the final authority of a number of bad personnel decisions.
During the Gregg years, Dick Corrick ran personnel and had roster authority. The formal split in duties did not happen until 1991-92 when Ron Wolf was given full football authority distinct from the HC. We all know the story of how Mark Murphy started and tended a dumpster fire to line his pockets and warm his pathetic soul, but that's for another time. Some say the dumpster fire still smolders, waiting to belch forth it's choking acrid smoke. Others say it was merely and illusion.
Yes, the Green Bay Packers are a successful business in a competitive arena where even if you lose, you are not allowed to fail. I can't speak for how stable any of the folks are at 1265, but they have a license to print money and that is what counts most in late stage capitalism.
Amen.
davekenya
November 17, 2025 at 01:42 pm
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition...GB's special teams did not have an accepted penalty Sunday! To make up for it, the long snapper did have a bad snap to Wheelan that he handled well to get off a punt...and as holder Wheelan took extra care to ensure the laces were directly facing Havrisik on one of his missed PATs. After all, you can't rely solely on the wind to lead to a missed PAT. Yes, this attention to detail is what great teams have. I'm not gonna bust Wheelan's chops tho - he punted really well!
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:32 am
"GB's special teams did not have an accepted penalty Sunday!"
You watched a different game than I did. Starting position on a return got moved back DRASTICALLY after a kickoff.
Coldworld
November 17, 2025 at 01:51 pm
Matt LaFleur called a great game? He called the same game he’s called all year against the one team it fits. The execution sucked (not Love), but with the wind as well and a very poor run defense against us doing what has been so frustrating before was actually perfect. It won’t be next weekend or thereafter as we won’t play the Giants again, so we’d better pray he doesn’t see it like you do! The offense will need to have a great deal better focus as well.
Aldo
November 17, 2025 at 02:08 pm
Yep. The Giants seemed to be able to rip off 4-6 yards too many times yesterday, and all of the D linemen seemed unable to shed blocks to get to the passer. It was one of the D's least impressive outings all year.
Coldworld
November 17, 2025 at 04:21 pm
I’ve been concerned even before the Parsons trade subtracted Clark about the lack of beef on our IDL. We passed on some very interesting prospects in this draft that might have helped. In the end we ended up with our biggest draft pick being Brinson, a guy who was off the field on obvious run plays in college and is a 3T. We did get Stackhouse, about which I was thrilled … for next year.
Other than that we have not quite 300 Pound Wooden and just a little over 300 pound Wyatt and Brooks. I thought Detroit would go for us on the ground in the opener, but they really did not concertedly. In fact Wooden has played the run pretty well and Wyatt was a big surprise early, but not since his injury. He was bad yesterday.
However, yesterday a team just went at them constantly and essentially wore them down and overpowered them. That team doesn’t have the best RB or OL, but they pushed us back at will. Other teams will surely try that. We have to find an answer that gives them a chance unless we start getting ahead early in games. There’s only so much undersized lines can withstand.,
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:35 am
I thought getting rid of TJ Slaton was a mistake. Mercedes Big Dog Lewis was an effective run blocker Sunday.
Leatherhead
November 20, 2025 at 08:28 am
Is that the same game he's called that has us getting to 27 or more 70% of the time? Even with guys like Watson, Reed, Kraft, Jenkins, Banks, and now Jacobs, missing games?
Here's a question: How many teams have hit 27 or more 7 times already? It's a short list. Real short.
We have 7 games remaining. How many times do think we'll hit 27?
porupack
November 17, 2025 at 01:52 pm
Watched other games on Sunday, and those teams executed with energy and force: Seahawks, Rams, Bears, Vikes. GB didn't have that same will and force. Otherwise, glad the once more.
Bitternotsour
November 18, 2025 at 10:35 am
Bears and Vikings? Please. Rams sucked ass offensively the second half, Seahawks threw 4 interceptions. Tell me you didn't watch the games without saying it in the form of a lie.
There are no dominant teams in the league right now. There's certainly none in the NFC north. Settle down and let things play out.
Handsback
November 17, 2025 at 02:00 pm
I think most of Green Bay’s inconsistency during games fall on their coaches. Not always MLF but his assistants. What we are seeing are players not making enough improvements in year to year performance compared to other team’s players of similar experience levels.
Players I see that beat the team average are Wilson, Kraft, Carrington and Copper.
Coaches make a difference in player improvements and I don’t see a lot of that happening. MLF is responsible for the game plan and we will see after the end of the season his final grade.
JMHO
Aldo
November 17, 2025 at 02:10 pm
At season's end, the Pack should take a long, hard look at both D and O line coaches. Something's missing, and as you stated, it's lack of improvement.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:37 am
Agreed. The development part of GB draft and develop has been MIA, for years ...
Ray-66
November 17, 2025 at 04:33 pm
Mustgrave is the first one gone after the season.
Luke Mustgrave does not play special teams. It is too hard for a team to put together a game day roster with backup players not on special teams.
Strat
November 17, 2025 at 08:33 pm
If you want to throw the guy off the team, at least have the consideration to spell his name right.
Packerpasty
November 18, 2025 at 10:56 am
he's doing a good job of throwing himself off the team...I get it, he's had a scary injury but still...
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:38 am
I think he's trying to be cute, must grave
Ray-66
November 18, 2025 at 12:50 pm
woooow. oop i spilt dat rong.
Ray-66
November 18, 2025 at 12:50 pm
woooow. oop i spilt dat rong.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 17, 2025 at 05:28 pm
I was not a fan of drafting Jordan Love but when the guy puts on Superman's cape, that should be acknowledged. I have no problem with the idea of getting a package for Willis going forward, but I don't think Love should be taken off the field, except maybe for some trick plays and the like.
Parsons is also wearing Superman's cape. It reminds me of CM3 providing the entire pass rush for too many years. GB has to look at Gary (2026 contract is $19.5M cash, $28M cap, $10M cap saving with a straight release, $17.5M roughly with a June designation). His stats are okay but Parsons is wreaking havoc and creating opportunities for Edge #2. I think LVN would be a downgrade from Gary but a cheaper one, so the issue is whether the cap savings can be repurposed to get better overall.
Alberta_Packer
November 17, 2025 at 06:29 pm
Love must continue to wear the Superman cape if the Packers have any chance of advancing to the SB. I see no other scenario for the Team making the Championship. Of course the big question is his consistency of performances.
Also it would behoove the FO to do a comprehensive ROI player analysis during the off-season. In order to help determine to most optimal salary cap and roster mix.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:40 am
GB is one and done at best if they keep playing like this. If they don't keep playing like this?
That's why they play the games ...
Strat
November 17, 2025 at 08:30 pm
Another episode of "The Silencer," that's just great. Probably should be on Netflix. The game wasn't televised here, but sounds like he did some good things in spite of the bad hands people, so good for him.
I'm not getting on board the Willis HOF Train just yet. Seems like a good guy and that's great that he stepped in and threw for a TD. It was against a two win Giants team with several injuries and a new coach. Last year, W's against a terrible, 3 win Titans team, and a sub .500 Colts team, L against a bottom of the North, five win Bears team. You want to give him some plays in certain situations, fine, but call it what it is. Otherwise, give him the keys and let Love rest his injured shoulder against the Vikes.
It's a good thing Jaxson Dart was out...be a different episode if he played.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:42 am
Yup, Willis is our QB2. Would be nice if we could keep him next year, but I don't see how that happens ...
Major Snafu
November 17, 2025 at 09:26 pm
I can see that Love is trying to copy what he saw Rodgers do: have an outlet guy - Dobbs to save you when pass rush is coming aka Rodgers to Adams. Drop back and throw the bomb aka Rodgers to Jordy.
The later works when you can out run the defender. This BS of just throwing it when your defender has two guys on his back is bs. Watsons TD catch could have easily been a game ending interception.
Love ain't a rocket scientist that's for sure. His dump passes to Dobbs often missed wide open guys not covered for big gains.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 09:34 am
Don’t you have enough to cry about on your team?
Packerpasty
November 18, 2025 at 10:48 am
well.....he's sorta spot on...especially with those long bombs...seems most time it into double coverage...JUST LEARN TO MOVE THE CHAIN MLF....