MLF has a problem.
Either he becomes a pass first offense.
Or he'll find his ass fired.
It's just that simple.
He doesn't have the backing of management.
Rodgers is gone. That problem was terminated.
Love has their heart.

The NFL is about passing first.
And Mlf better change his scheme.
To fit Love; whether he likes it or not.

Maybe Kraft isn't hurt as bad as I thought. I've had knee injuries and have seen other NFLers carted off before and if they have a bad knee injury, they wouldn't let them hang off the back of the cart that way. It would be painful and a bump or anything jarring the cart could cause greater injury and pain to the already injured knee.

How many times did we punt yesterday?
Now what does that tell you?

Go sign Marcedes Lewis. He's waiting on the Denver PS. Two big reasons.

1) The line needs help with blocking and Lewis is a great blocker. He can still catch but don't ask for YAC.

2) Lewis is older than dirt. Having him on the team will bump the age average up and finally we can quit talking about that youngest team BS. I'm totally for that.

:)

I'll give you my 5:
1) Our STs are who we thought they were. Muffs, holding, you name it. Can't count on FGs from McManus. (And we got a kid who's perfect on the season, including a 61 yarder.) I know we paid McM a lot of $$, but it's time. At least we blocked that 48 yard extra point.
Wow!
2) God Almighty, are we the WORST 1st half football in the NFL? Maybe we purposely play bad so we can have a miracle comeback.
3) Run defense. I quote Wayne Larivee: "They haven't stopped them all day." AND "Who woulda thunk it." Who, indeed.
4) Most indicative drive of day. Last one before half. Kraft for 10. Doubs for 30. Brooks for 16. Inc, 4 yd pass, incomplete. 4th and goal. We take the 3.
5) If we were expecting another Steeler's game, sorry......
The Szotman

I suggested that the Packers let Havrisek do the kicking until he royally F's up! But noooo, let's put the other guy in there.

Look Matt, Havrisek has not missed a kick so why not let him kick. If he works out, we can save on the CAP.

Also, hope that Tucker is not as hurt as bad as it sounds.

"Matt LaFleur admitted after the game that McManus is still working through injury, so it begs the question why the team would keep sending him out there if his performance is going to be impeded."

Agree Mark. Good question. Just what is the uber paid Bisaccia good at? He certainly is not a FG whisperer. Obviously LaFleur delegates everything on STs to him...as he does to most things not Offense.

And you lost me with LaFleur's Packers again "beating themselves" stating: "He is a great coach overall..."
At just what is LaFleur great at?

Motivating the team for a winnable game?
Coaching the entire team?
Installing an effective, efficient game plan to attack opponents' weakness?
Play calling?
In game adjustments?
Player decisions on who plays, who sits, who on the depth chart is better?
Avoiding the status quo team management?
Making bold change with personnel who are below expectations?

He is certainly not a great HC. Probably not even a great OC...maybe good, but too many DC's find ways to confound him and it surprises him when they do. Maybe his calling is as a QB coach.

The remaining games only have the Giants as a huge underdog...even then. Ed Policy is not sleeping well. This offseason could be his trial by fire.

Maybe the OL will finally get fixed at midseason, perhaps Tucker avoided the worst, DL will toughen, STs will be become average, and LaFleur turns the team into a physical, hard nosed team top to bottom...one to be feared.

Maybe. I confess yesterday was a huge blow to what I believed the Packers might become. Wonder how the team attitude is? Attitude drives behavior. One game can propel a team...igniting wins, or infuse doubt and a "here we go again" attitude.

"He is a great coach overall"

Here is where the willing ignorance comes into play for many a fan, writer, analyst, etc.

"but these are issues the head coach absolutely has to get corrected before it loses them a playoff game".

This is what makes the previous part of the quote so ignorantly misguided.

A great HC wouldn't be suffering from the same afflictions for 7 years. MLF does nothing great, less his greatness to repeat his weaknesses over and over....He's also great at making the talent of players look equally disappointing.

Is the picture of why Rodgers and MLF butted heads becoming a tad clearer? Rodgers, unlike Love, would never have stood for this bs sitting in a corner.

Just too much rinse and repeat with LaFleur. Too many times standing at the podium making excuses. Same goes for Love. They fail to execute far, far too often. They fail to be ready for too many games. For quite a while, I have had my doubts about the coaching staff. Yesterday only served to reinforce that feeling.

We can’t beat good Defense teams

Looked who we beat and lost two

Other than the lions game home opener

Haven’t played like that since

Can’t beat a top 10 defense

Wide receiver routes nothing to throw at there back to Love at the time .

We run away from d backs so they can make a play on the ball

Run towards them then cut. That’s how you get open

Yesterday all I would hear is and another packer first down.

I called it first down sit down. That’s all they did. No yac at all.

Can our wide outs catch the ball and run for once other than sit down or run out of bounds on an out route.

Reed and Wicks can’t get back quick enough.

Playing in pistol and shot gun yesterday no one is talking about. You can’t win in the nfl without PLAY ACTION……..

2nd down. Run Jacob’s We run on second down more than any team

No more first down sit down.

Can we run a play and hit someone in stride ….

The Packers made Adam Stenavich the OC back in 2022. Although he doesn't call the plays, one has to believe he has at least some input into offensive planning for upcoming games and, quite possibly, some input on what plays are called during the game. Before that, he was an outstanding offensive line coach. But there is a problem.
Since moving up to the OC position, the offense has regularly shown a lack of cohesion or sense of rhythm in the play calling. And the OL has suffered, since the team just promoted Luke Butkus to the OL coach (was this recommended by Stenavich?). Now, you have an offense that sputters and an OL that is mediocre, at best. The worst of two worlds.
The team needs to explore if they could get Stenavich back to his area of expertise, the OL, and bring in an offensive coordinator to be a sounding board, and someone MLF will listen to when changes need to be made in the play calling needs to be changed to take advantage of what the defense is offering.

"He is a great coach overall"

Mark, perhaps you may want to reconsider the use of the word "great" in your quote. If you use "great" here for LaFleur what are you going to use to describe him if he wins a couple of Super Bowl games and becomes a multiple time coach of the year.

They had the ball 6 times that’s it. 6 times ….

They run 54 play we ran. 63 crappy plays..

We had the ball 8 times

8 times and get nothing. And lucky they called it a td…..

Once again they only had the ball 6 times. 6. Times

And they go out with a win.

I don’t believe much play action

When I see that chance of winning goes down by 70 percent.

Ie aaron Rodger’s last year in Green Bay

They held us to basically 3 points. Lucky on the TD call

3 points on 63 plays ……..

Love holds the ball two long on deep shots

They sucker him into those. Triple covered stuff

Where Watson goes he is tripled

I would like to point out on a few plays. Watson was wide open to the north and south end zone Twice. Wide open

Didn’t look his way

I do like McManus drama after he missed the field goal. Academy award for him

If your hurt. Don’t kick you cost us a game at home

Make your kicks this week vs the eagles. It’s going to be 28 degrees so figure it out

Are we a cold weather team. We will find out

I hope it’s the same official again that loved tv time with his holding call moves

He would be busy that’s what the eagles o lone does all the time

We are going to have to tackle next week. It’s cold. Need to wrap up. Not bouncing off people

D Covington needs to get middle going….we win. I give game ball to him.

Might time to get Mercedes Lewis off the Broncos I believe is where he is of we need A GOOD BLOCKING TIGHT END THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PASS TO VERY OFTEN!

A bit off topic...but what is the criteria PFF uses to give its "best and worst" scores?

LG Banks, after a whopping 9 plays was graded the highest ranked player on Offense at 86.1. Seems to be a very easy grading system if you don't play many snaps. Talk about a "curve".

That was about as enjoyable as getting a root canal from a dentist with bad breath.

First, the Kraft injury looks like we're going to lose our best receiver. I'd like to sprinkle fairy dust on this but I'm pretty skeptical that he's going to help us any more this year. The people who have been championing Musgrave are going to get to see him. Here's his chance.

Second, even with Kraft, this did not look like a very good team yesterday, particularly near the end zone. In SEVEN possessions (not six, as erroneously stated), the Packers repeatedly drove the ball down the field and came up with little to show....two FGs, a missed FG, a fumble. And an interception. Finally, a TD to tie.

Third, the defense didn't get a sack. They got some solid hits on Young, and held them to 100 yards passing and an interception. The bigger problem was that we kept getting gashed on the run. More about that later; I just wanted to point out that the defense got some good things done yesterday, despite the yards on the ground and the lack of sacks.

Fourth, one of the strongest teams in the NFC is going to be here in six days, and the Packers are going to have to play a lot better or they're going to be exposed as pretenders, not contenders. Every single player, coach, and front office guys know that this loss should not have happened, and that the damage was largely self-inflicted. Fumbles, interceptions, penalties, etc.

Fifth, I don't see how it's the head coach's fault when a rookie WR catches a ball on a WR screen, runs into the back of his own blocker, and coughs up the ball trying to fight through three tacklers. I mean, did LaFleur draw it up that way? "Here Savion, we're going to throw you the ball, and you're going to run into the back of Doubs, and then fumble it away" That's how he drew it up? That's how they practiced it? Seriously?? I don't see how it's the HC's fault when players don't execute properly. What else is he supposed to do? Yank Williams out of the game and grab his face mask and yell at him? Bench him forever? Have him run laps? What?

Sixth, here's some good news: We're still in first place in the division halfway through. And, we get to play the Eagles, so we're going to find out right away if this team is going to fight or if they're going to lay down and get kicked. If the team comes out against the Eagles and looks like they mean business on offense, then we're going to be right in the thick of it. If we stumble to another 6 point first half, then I'm afraid that this is going to be year of the Love Window down the drain.

No blame on the D? That run defense against a very poor offensive line was truly awful. No, the Pack lost in all 3 phases.

Going all the way where? For cryin' out loud, stop already with the ridiculous "Super Bowl" BS, the "Loaded with talent" BS, the "Great QB" BS, the "Great coach" BS. Lose the "Youngest team" BS excuse too.

I'm not going to forget what McManus did last year, but his injury situation made it all to easy for Great Coach MLF to do not just the right thing, but the obvious thing. Nobody knows if Havrisik is the real deal right now, or he's just having a good run and it will come to an end, but he does drive the ball hard and is very accurate up to this point. GCMLF had the perfect opportunity to give him more opportunities to prove himself. Inexcusable big swing and a miss by GCMLF...but that's what Great Coaches do.

Bryce Young, 102 yards, 1 INT. With such ineffective QB play, how the hell does Dowdle still run for 130 yards? You know how.

When they get Reed back, and now have Reed, Watson, Golden, Doubs, it think that's a pretty good group. I may be one of the few that thinks Musgrave can do the job, but we're going to find out whether anyone likes it or not. And I'm not disappointed in Golden at all. I think he's the real deal, maybe a QB that can hit him when he's open. Reminds me of Adams having the drops his first year and several wanting to ship him out. A good QB could make things happen with that group. Kraft is already elite IMO.

The NFL used to be tackle football. I doubt teams are coaching the "stick out one arm, close your eyes and turn your head" tackling technique," but if they are, I'd try something different.

They better still run the ball, but the OL just ain't got it right now.

Banks, Hobbs, man, if there were just real "Do overs" in the NFL. I'd take two mulligans right there.

Secondary is what honest people thought they would be.

Shoot themselves in the foot or get blasted in the face, the result is the same.

those stupid uniforms cost us Kraft AND the game. they are awful. we have the best uniforms in the league. I just love them. can we stop with the game costumes already? never buy them

I say we just sit back and watch the games. Its not going to be pretty going forward and anyone who thinks Love will rise to the occasion and lead us on, please dont make me laugh. His play has not improved. What you see is what your getting. He has guys open and he totally missed seeing because his focus is on where is Dobbs or Kraft. The later is fine and works out or did work out.
Love needs 8 yards for a first and panics because of the rush and passes to Dobbs for 5? There were guys wide open and you pass short of the marker just so you dont get flattened.
I bet everyone else will be fet up with him by the end of this season and no playoffs.

Brutal game. How in the world these coaches couldn't see this as a trap game is beyond belief!? And at home? Our offense looks awful - from weak oline play to disastrous play calling. Our defense can't stop the run. PHI is going to kill us next week. And our STs? They at least are consistent - consistently bad. We are NOT a dominant team by any stretch of the imagination. And we won't be until we get a coaching stzff and senior management with an urgency to win!

“He is a great coach overall, and losing to the Panthers is not the end of the world, but these are issues the head coach absolutely has to get corrected before it loses them a playoff game.”… NA… he’s not!!… if he was a great coach he would have a handle on why his team is ALWAYS FLAT… against teams that are underdogs…!!!