3 Logical Trade Destinations for Aaron Rodgers

Three logical trade scenario's for Green Bay's four-time MVP quarterback.

As has become an offseason tradition, Packers fans lie in wait to find out what the future holds for Aaron Rodgers.

The four-time MVP may be back in Green Bay for another year, he may retire, or he may be playing his football somewhere else in 2023.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter, discussing Rodgers and the Packers on Friday, said: “Make no mistake, both sides are fully aware that a trade is a very real scenario this offseason for Aaron Rodgers.”

Assuming that scenario comes to fruition, here are three realistic destinations where Rodgers could be playing next season.

New York Jets

The Jets seem like the most logical team for Rodgers to be traded to. 2022 was a year of progress for Robert Saleh’s team, who appear to be a quarterback away from seriously competing.

With an outstanding defense and some exciting young skill position players such Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall, it is easy to imagine Rodgers stepping right in and leading New York to the playoffs.

Rodgers may be attracted to a big market team after spending his entire career in Green Bay, and he could have a significant say in how the offense is run if he made the move to New York.

Saleh is a defensive head coach, meaning the offensive co-ordinator runs the offense.

The Jets are currently in the process of interviewing for a new OC, and Rodgers could potentially have input over who the eventual hire is. It is worth noting that Nathaniel Hackett, the old Packers co-ordinator, has interviewed for the Jets’ open position.

A trade with the Jets would also mean shipping Rodgers to the AFC, which would likely be preferable for the Packers. All three teams suggested in this article are AFC clubs.

Las Vegas Raiders

“It’s always tough going from one Hall of Famer to another Hall of Famer… back to the first Hall of Famer” – Davante Adams in a few months, maybe.

A trade which would reunite Rodgers and Adams in Vegas would presumably be appealing tom the Raiders, as well as the two former teammates.

The Raiders are the type of organization that would swing for the fences with a trade like this, and there could be a commercial motivation to doing so as well.

Having recently relocated to Las Vegas, the Raiders are trying to build a strong fanbase, and it will have been disappointing for Mark Davis to see so many fans of opposing teams populating Allegiant Stadium this season.

Rodgers would put butts in seats, and potentially create more Raiders fans in the process.

However, this trade has a couple of factors working against it. The first is that Josh McDaniels looks to be returning as head coach.

McDaniels has not had much success in his NFL head coaching career, and at this point it is fair to question if he is good at this. There have also been reports regarding the way Derek Carr was treated which might not sit well with Rodgers.

Would he really be interested in playing for McDaniels? It feels like Tom Brady is more likely to be a Raider.

The other issue is that the Packers play the Raiders this year, so Green Bay may not want to trade Rodgers to Vegas and invite the media circus that matchup will bring.

Tennessee Titans

This feels similar to the Jets trade in that like the Jets, the Titans have a defensive head coach and are currently hiring a new offensive co-ordinator, potentially allowing Rodgers to have a strong input in his new offense.

Vrabel is a well-respected head coach and has enjoyed continuous success with the Titans, only suffering his first losing season in 2022, and that was in huge part due to injuries at the quarterback position.

Ryan Tannehill has served them well, but if the Titans want to be a true contender, they may decide to take a swing at levelling up the quarterback position with Rodgers.

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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @Marko7LW

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barutanseijin's picture

January 22, 2023 at 07:34 am

I don’t think Rodgers is such a hot commodity that the Packers can afford to be picky about where they trade him. Also, why should the Packers fear Rodgers? If they conclude that they have a better chance of winning with Love, then where Rodgers goes doesn’t really matter. In fact, you could argue that Rodgers revenge games would be moneymakers for all involved. Quick, someone alert the NFL scriptwriters.

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jvole's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:08 am

If I were a head coach, I would not want Rodgers at this stage of his career. Behind the scenes, he fiddles with the offense until it morphs into what he wants. He never gets the blame for this (cue national commentator 'he just doesn't have enough weapons!') and so it all rests on the OC and HC. He passive-aggressively undermines coaches when he doesn't get what he wants and so it is hard for the rest of the team to respect the coaches. Hurts that MLF is also a squish but do you think Saleh, Campbell, or Belichick would sit back and take a tongue lashing from their quarterback? And their teams play HARD for them. Rodgers is also mediocre in big games. So trade him to whoever will take him if you want to eventually win a championship because he won't be able to do it.

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Guam's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:21 am

I agree with much of what you say jvole, but then I think about what Denver traded for Russ Wilson last year. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" or perhaps "there is a sucker born every minute". Whichever is appropriate as long as the Packers can find some fool to give them more than a cup of coffee for a soon to be 40 year old QB. All I really want is to get to out from under that massive, cap crushing contract.

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:58 am

Allegedly, Brady has more suitors than this, and really, probably less reason to have. Yes, there are teams. What we get is immaterial beyond the opportunity to move on. Anything else is gravy and decidedly secondary.

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PeteK's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:22 am

However, Rodgers would be at most a two year commitment and less draft capital than the Wilson trade,

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:47 am

I would actually take a cup of coffee in trade as long as they get his massive ego... er contract out of Green Bay.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:16 pm

Ditto!

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Jgilmor08's picture

January 22, 2023 at 03:17 pm

It’s reasoning like this that leads me to believe the United States will soon be a communist regime. I’m not sure there’s any other conclusion to be drawn when there are so many people blindly following what they are told despite the facts and info in front of them.

Let’s use some of the aforementioned facts and info and try to figure out what the hell you are talking about. Let’s use some comparisons…

Kansas city last 7 playoff games 29 ppg 24 allowed
Cincinnati last 5 playoff games (just using games Joe burrow was a part of) 24 ppg 19.5 allowed
Tampa Bay last 7 playoff games 27 ppg 22 allowed
Green Bay last 7 playoff games 28 ppg 28.8 allowed

So according to your perspective, Rodgers who doesn’t play defense is directly responsible for allowing almost 30 points per game during the most important games being played? Well ok let’s see the offensive production then…. Wait they are only a single point behind the vaunted KC offense in points per game? Yes I can see where you are coming from Comrad.

Ok well how about the blatant disrespect by changing offensive play calls during games. Why else show frustration when a poor play call is used? Wait why get frustrated when you change the offense and play calls whenever you want? Weird.

Well since he changes the offense I’m sure he killed the league with his stats? No he actually had his lowest passing yardage and fewest attempts of his career. So despite running the offense to cater for him he didn’t call plays to his benefit? Well surely other players suffered. Oh shoot Aaron Jones rushed for a thousand yards and caught 50 passes? The second string running back had 9 touchdowns? Man what kind of asshole is so selfish with his play calling.

Wait I’ve got the best reason that pretty much proves it. Well when watching the news on MSNBC they said Rodgers is an anti vaxxer and hates his coach so it must be true. I refuse to acknowledge that the CDC gets 30% of their annual budget from big pharma has anything to do with it. It’s not like the 10 boosters I got weren’t effective in stopping me from getting Covid. Oh wait it didn’t actually stop it? Well at least we were all important instruments in ensuring pvizer had record sales these past two years so I’m part of the solution.

Who needs liberty and democracy and being able to think for yourself when the government can do it for you. All hail communism!! No more bullshit like thinking for ourselves or using information to base opinions off of. If MSNBC says it it’s truth baby!!

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Jgilmor08's picture

January 22, 2023 at 03:29 pm

Why don’t you focus on the real issue here? Gutekunst drafted a first round QB to play as a back up for four seasons. Wasted pick regardless of how he turns out. Used a second rounder on a career back up running back the past four seasons. Has failed miserably on EVERY third round pick he’s made.

Despite drafting a second round running back then signing the starter to the highest per season contract of any running back in the league. FINALLY not discussing a home team discount with Rodgers and crippling the team with even more blunders. I don’t know who’s doing a worse job running things into the ground Joe Biden or Brian Gutekunst.

Finally if the team is so desperate for receivers why not use an added sixth rounder to sweeten the deal with the Steelers? The focus should be on the management of the organization not on someone with a defense giving up damn near thirty a game every post season or two rookie receivers in a season that’s supposed to be ‘all in’. Give me a break with this stupidity.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 04:08 pm

You're confusing communism with autocracy, which can be either left-wing or right-wing. If you think our economy is becoming communist, I feel sorry for you.

Oh yeah - stick to football, not politics.

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Jgilmor08's picture

January 23, 2023 at 10:23 pm

Autocracy is to put it as simply as I can singular rule and individualized oversight of government. This doesn’t come anywhere close to what I discussed, in fact the mere suggestion of it looks pretty stupid. Maybe stop feeling sorry for me and open up a google search engine. The information at your fingers is endless.

Which takes us back to the parallels between my topic and communism. In communist countries free speech is not tolerated. Thus the constant flow of propoganda and exiling all who don’t subscribe to the ideologies and group think preferred. We refer to this as an ‘agenda’. So when mainstream media sets out to demonize a particular person because they don’t adhere to their unwritten social beliefs and preferences this is closer to communism than a singular individual running a dictatorship.

Oh yeah stick to cleaning your garage or maybe mowing the back yard. Your understanding of both government and football seems way to limited to be commenting on posts where MSNBC isn’t suggesting your reply.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:21 pm

Stats are fine but to me it's mostly about situations. Kansas City,Mahomes even when they're not scoring as much, when the situation calls them to make that play when the game is there to be won he makes the play. Doesn't put it always on the defense.

Of course having s coach like Andy Reid who makes sure of that is critical.

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January 23, 2023 at 10:47 pm

Don’t get me wrong I’m actually impartial. I think Rodgers HAS played poorly in the playoffs at times. I just don’t believe the burden should be squarely on his shoulders when they are in the NFC champ game and Atlanta has 28 before halftime and over 40 before the start of the fourth.

But it definitely helps when you play a defense that holds the opposing team at bay. Look at Cincinnati, they held Josh Allen and Buffalo to 10 points. AR has never had that benefit or help except in 2010 and 2014. This team has lost two NFC championship games on completely boneheaded mistakes having nothing to do with AR. Tampa bay game all they need to do is stop them on 3rd and long with 20 sec left and instead the corner gets beat deep which was crushing. Instead of being tied they are down by 7. Receive the ball after halftime and the first play from scrimmage Aaron Jones fumbles the ball at the 30 yard line. Tampa scores again now instead of being tied GB is down 14 and Rodgers had nothing to do with it.

Seattle, team builds 16 point lead. The Seahawks storm back in last five minutes. All Green Bay needs to do is secure the onside kick and game is over. They fumble that one away. Well maybe the defense can make a stop? Seattle needed two plays to score.

San Fran, Raheem Mostart rushes for 220 yards and 4 tds. Did Rodgers play spectacularly? No not really. Going against the number 2 D in the NFL it’s going to be hard to do so. Garopollo threw 8 passes that game. Kinda hard to be impactful when your D can’t get off the field.

San Fran last year. D finally plays lights out. Rodgers doesn’t play well. However that’s not what lost the game. Another bone headed special teams play cost the team dearly. Blocked punt for a touchdown. San Fran’s only TD.

Arizona, Rodgers amazingly ties the game in the last minute with two Hail Mary throws out of his ass. GB losses coin flip and after a decent pass for like 8 yards the next play Larry Fitzgerald takes the ball 65 plus yards down to the two yard line sealing the teams fate.

This isn’t necessarily facts and I’ve got no problem scrutinizing the guy when it’s deserved but I’m hard pressed to see where he’s getting the response from so called packers fans when he’s been loyal to a franchise that hasn’t really given him much to work with.

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HawkPacker's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:31 am

Wouldn't Miami be a possible destination as well?

I think any of these teams that are 'close' to going to a Super Bowl would love the idea of having Rodgers be their quarterback.

I am hoping for a trade as that will clear up a lot of questions in Green Bay.

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BruceC1960's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:06 am

Miami is a great fit. So is Washington. Who knows where Baltimore is headed. Giants all of a sudden don’t like Daniel Jones? That would be a nice fit too.

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Guam's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:18 am

I think Miami has cap issues which would make acquiring Rodgers a problem. I think the Jets have the need and the cap room to do the trade. I believe LV and Atlanta also have the cap room but are not contenders and likely would not be "approved" by Rodgers.

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:00 am

I’d have to see TGRs take, but remember, we eat a chunk of that cap regardless. Rodgers, like Bakh, wouldn’t be as tough to swallow for a new team as he is going to be if he stays with us.

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Guam's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:29 pm

Well aware of that CW, but it will take some cap room to absorb the current portion of Rodgers' contract. I believe Miami is already over their cap. NYJ and Atlanta have the cap space.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:22 am

Atlanta has the cap space so that, even if they did get Rodgers, they could still transform their roster

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nygary's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:31 am

If anyone will take him in a trade I will help pack his shit to go. A fresh start with Love would actually be very enjoyable.

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NickPerry's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:28 am

THIS is the best response. ANYONE who will take him is who you trade him to.

The Packers ALREADY look like idiots for not trading Rodgers last offseason so trade him now, get WHATEVER you can get, but most importantly get out from under that salary. 2023 would be the cleaning house year and 2024 would be the year they'd be ready to contend again.

BUT, nothing happens until Rodgers is gone.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:32 am

Why trade him at all. Losers!
So let's trade him for a 3rd pick.
- That will be used well. LOL
He's a west coast guy.
So LV. is logical. Adams is there.
And he can get Cobb there too.
Carr comes to GB. with a #3.
They want Carr gone. And we could
dump Love to New Orleans.
Cap fixed. CAN Do it.
Tenn. - is going with what they have.
Rodgers reputation is so damaged.
They'd rather listen to Elvis.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:42 am

Stop embarrasing yourself, please. It is boring. Your Brett Favre was out, so soon will be your ACR.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:22 am

It should be his decision.
Was it embarrassment when the FO
gave him a extension.
I believe in the FO. Per Rodgers.
They made the right call.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:37 am

"Was it embarrassment when the FO gave him a extension."

Yes. Yes it was.

What are you going to say when AR12 asks for a trade when he finds out we're not bringing back, Big Dog, Cobb, or Crosby?

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:54 am

No it wasn't!!
He won two MVP before the exodus of Wrs.
I say he'll come back.
(If they inform him they're NOT going to extend Love.)
Otherwise He'll Leave,.
Everyone has said if Rodgers comes back.
Cobb should come back.
Lewis is under contract./option.
And Gutey wants to keep Bahk.
Crosby. is Loyal.
If Jones won't renegotiate - Trade Coming.
Bahk will. And Savage better.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:30 am

Lewis is FA.

That data shows that you live in some form of parallel universe. You do not even knows who is under the contract or he is pending FA.

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:05 am

No, it shouldn’t be his decision. Such decisions should always be about the franchise not any individual player. That is why Murphy and Ball negotiating that contract was grossly inappropriate. No player is greater than the Packers and no player is forever. Anyone who forgets that has no business being employed by the team or, if not, calling themselves a fan of it.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:29 am

Rodgers already stated it would be mutual!!!
Go fight with SI over that.
They paid for the two MVP.
No player is greater than the packers. =
Thats why it will be mutual!!
But what will come out.
Especially if Rodgers writes a book.
Will be the disrespect.
The failures of management.
And the lies behind the closed doors.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:41 am

Your man crush talking way to much. And he always makes final decisions publicly announcing them, just to tell another, completely opponent decision or statement in the blink of the eye!

Anything what ACR tells means nothing. He change his mind quickly for 180°. It depends how suitable is for the occasion.

If Packers wants to trade him to Texans, they can, only what he can do is to retire to prevent that. If Packers pay him those 40.3 mill $, he can try to unretire, but Packers keep all his rights. So, inform yourself better before claims stupidities from parallel universe.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:06 am

If he's traded to Houston.
I'd report and Collect the bonus .
Then retire.
They would let him go like the Jets
did. And he would do the #4.
If not write a book.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:15 am

You have no effing clue what you're writing about. Embarrassing, really.

"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." Maurice Switzer (yes, NOT Mark Twain or Abraham Lincoln!)

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:23 am

Equality for all. Is that plain enough?

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:53 am

Now you're MLK?

Hey, I respect your opinion and right to stand behind AR12, but the only thing that matters is what is best for the future of the Green Bay Packers.

The best thing is to trade AR12 for all we can get and move forward as an organization...

The worst thing we could possibly do is not take advantage of AR12 giving the organization the OK to go ahead and go younger if they wish.

They'll come to a mutual agreement that a trade is best for everyone. At least in a sane world they would.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:49 am

...is Maurice Barrys smarter brother?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 12:26 pm

When you are traded to other franchize, you can not report for new season bonus. What are you talking about. You really do not understand. What bonus?

Remember, if Packers trade ACR before new season start, Packers will have 40.3 mill $ dead money on salary cap. That is the complete amount that will be paid to ACR under the NFL rules from the latest contract extension. The same amount of money will be remain as dead money counted against Packers SC if ACR will retire.

That is all!

Now, explain to us, stupid ones, what bonus you are talking about?

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January 22, 2023 at 01:00 pm

The extension was a complicated one, containing a $40.8 million signing bonus as part of $101.515 million in full guarantees. The fully guaranteed part of the deal included Rodgers' salary in 2022 and 2023, his signing bonus, and an option bonus worth $58.3 million in 2023.

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January 22, 2023 at 01:00 pm

If Rodgers were to be traded prior to June 1st the Packers would take on a $40,313,750 cap hit in 2023. If he was traded after June 1st it would be a $15,833,570 cap hit in 2023 with $24,480,000 due in 2024.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 01:00 pm

The packers would take on a dead cap hit of over $40m if the quarterback was traded before June 1 in 2023.

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January 22, 2023 at 01:05 pm

If it is not mutual. - Rodgers could file an unfair labor practice.
Because of the money involved.

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 03:35 pm

Rodgers has no legal recourse if he’s traded and it’s not mutual—as he admits, he did not seek a no trade provision: that’s just your fantasy.

The Packers have to decide whether to exercise that option before he can be traded. The option just alters how the cap falls in terms of whether part of it hits the cap over one year or two. It’s relevant to a trade only with respect to how it alters our post trade cap strategy and the appropriateness for potential suitors.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:41 pm

that’s just your fantasy. - try asking a lawyer or agent that.
The packers FO has to decide to go with Rodgers or Love.
Thats just where we're at! If it's Love. It's a Rebuild.
If it's Rodgers, he wants his teammates.
And I can't blame him. New - means learning and delays!
And you want to see what they know. Per LOVE.
Rodgers. will keep on trying until they get to the super-bowl.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 04:12 pm

Nice cut-and-paste job; finally, we're able to read your comments without getting headaches. Now, if you only understood what you posted...

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2023 at 02:30 am

So, you confirmed what I wrote. Well what other bonus ACR can claim? Explain that!

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:48 am

Raiders would not be the destination. They have a mostly crappy roster outside of Adams and a few others.

Jets would be the most likely destination. They have an excellent roster.

Also, GB would never accept Carr. They know that it is either Rodgers or Love, and no outside person will be coming in (unless to back up one of them). Plus, GB would not have the cap space to realistically acquire Carr in a trade.

Also, you think we should trade the cheap, young, ascending QB with lots of upside that we probably wouldn’t get more than a day 3 pick for over the expensive, old, declining QB who we could get, at very least, a decent haul of a couple early picks for? Please tell me what I am missing.

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January 22, 2023 at 09:16 am

What Upside? Youth is all.
If they signed Rodgers to an extension.
That is all you need to know.
Love was drafted for the Glory of Gutey.
I compare Love to Brohm. BACK UP!
It's time to move on from Love.
First impressions are usually the right ones.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:48 am

LMAO. A good comparison would be your comments = Brohm's NFL Career...

If Love was drafted for the glory of Gutey, do you honestly think he's not going to install him as QB #1 as soon as he can?

The sad part of all of this is, you're probably right. The organization will probably bend over for AR12 once again and it is positively the "wrong" thing to do.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:02 am

Murphy stepped in.
Rodgers won 2 MVPs.
And MLF stated Love was a Robot.
It's not wrong to stay with a winner
if he has the weapons.
Tom Brady showed you that!

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:08 am

MLF has stated nothing of the sort. You live in a fantasy where ‘facts’ can be pulled from thin air despite being nothing but what you wish were the case. You are no less deluded than Murphy.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:55 am

MLF brought up the robot talk.

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January 22, 2023 at 03:39 pm

According to MLF, they have become accustomed to excellence from Love each week. Of course, MLF says nothing bad about anyone, so has little credibility, but that in turn makes your position even more incredible.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:56 am

So, you think Rodgers owes his MVPs because Mark Murphy did a fantastic job coaching and setting him up? Murphy has done terrible; he's wasted the primes of 2 HOF QBs, so that across 30 years of HOF QB play, we only have TWO Lombardis. That's criminal.

I agree that it isn't wrong to stay with a proven QB if there is a legitimate shot that we can go all the way. However, we don't have the supporting cast to lift Rodgers up nor the defense that he can fall back on, and we are too entrenched in cap hell to fix our roster and make ourselves contenders. We will be in cap hell even more so if we continue to go all-in every year.

Rodgers is on the decline, and Love is on the ascent. It is time to get rid of the old, expensive players and get younger so we can have a salary cap reset. That will give us a great foundation to set up the next era of Packers football.

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January 22, 2023 at 11:04 am

You have dug yourself so deep, no one can lift you out of your hole. RIP.

Also, TB the GOAT is a leader and winner when it counts, unfortunately for the Pack, ACR is not.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:51 am

stay with a winner?

...and who exactly is THAT?

certainly not the choker AR. period.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:52 am

The upside is that he has a cannon arm and great mobility, and he has learned 3 YEARS under one of the greatest to ever play QB. You can't replace that - Love is oozing with potential, and, as we saw this season, he had gained more confidence, control of the offense, and has improved his decision making.

I have no idea what "The Glory of Gutey" is, but you have to understand that Rodgers was playing at a similar level in 2019 as he did this year, in 2022. They thought he would keep fizzling out and that Love would swiftly replace him. Rodgers' career revitalization in 2020 and 2021 delayed their plan, but now that he's showed his age, the FO can resume their plan to replace him that was conceived in the 2019 offseason.

Did we draft Brohm in the first round? Did we trade up for Brohm? I don't think so.
Remember, for the first 3 years of his career, Aaron Rodgers was a back up, too.

Gutey knew Love was a raw prospect coming out of college, and that's why he has sat and learned for 3 years. It is time to turn the page. First impressions may be the first ones, but a player can always get better. If we are to go by your "first impressions" standard, Aaron Rodgers would never have played in GB for so long - his passer rating in his first season was an abysmal 39.6. Favre threw 28 picks his first year in GB - he would have been out the door before he could even say hello.

Favre and Rodgers only were able to become HOFers because they were given an extended chance. I'm not saying Love will be a HOFer, but we ought to give him the same respect that we gave to bad Favre and bad Rodgers early in their careers.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:28 am

Jets have arguably the worst O line in the NFL, so he's not going there.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:43 am

I wouldn't bet against it...

Besides, AR12 will be getting paid and that is what seems to matter to him.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:58 am

Their line was terrible because it was injury-decimated this year. They have two good Guards and a good Center in Alijah Vera Tucker, Laken Tomlinson, and Connor McGovern. George Fant, their RT, will likely be re-signed, while they will almost certainly go OT in the draft.

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January 22, 2023 at 12:04 pm

*In the 3rd round right? Because we'll have their 1st and 2nd round picks right? ; P

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 02:36 pm

BDog...every one of your comments is like claiming new territory. You ever gonna run out of urine? Rehydrate big boy, rehydrate. :)

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:52 am

You REALLY like white quarterbacks, don't you? If Gutekunst says that Love is ready to be the starter, than I'm pretty sure he'll be better than Carr by the end of the 23 season.

And according to Sportrac, you're an idiot because Carr would be MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE than Love:

"The Raiders made the decision to remove Derek Carr from their 2023 roster about a month ago. Now the only remaining question is, will it be via trade or outright release? Carr signed a 3 year, $121.5M extension this past April, but there was a clear and defined out after 2023. That out occurs on February 15th, when his $32.9M salary for 2023 & $7.5M of his 2024 salary become fully guaranteed (both were guaranteed for injury at signing, hence the benching).

So the Raiders have a month to find a trade partner for Carr, who, with a full no trade clause, will be fully involved in that process. It’s risky business for Las Vegas, because any trade agreed to now can’t be officially processed until March 15th - so it’s conceivable that a team backs out at the last minute, leaving the Raiders with $40.4M of guarantees with a QB they no longer want.

Should this trade happen, Carr will leave behind just $5.625M of dead cap to Las Vegas, bringing a 3 year, $116.3M contract with him to a new team.

If no trade transpires, Carr will be released prior to February 15th, leaving behind that same $5.625M dead cap hit to LV. "

SO, the salary cap will NOT be fixed with a trade for Carr and Love "dumped" on NO, but WORSENED. SMH.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:59 am

You are correct; a trade where we acquire Carr is not realistic cap-wise.

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January 22, 2023 at 11:18 am

Which is why I put the Sportrac quote in my post.

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Oppy's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:58 am

I've got $100 that says this guy wears Aaron Rodgers Underroos to bed every night.

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January 22, 2023 at 11:19 am

LOL!. But I DO NOT want to see confirmatory evidence.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2023 at 02:39 am

You would see nothing worth of any reaction.

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January 22, 2023 at 01:22 pm

Why would you move some CAP and Gain another CAP disaster? If Love is moved along in this story, then, they again have to use picks to Move Up in the draft to bag a QB. Either the Icon stays or they have to hang with THEIR choice to run the show in 2023. Carr is soft.

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January 22, 2023 at 08:40 am

I agree in 2 points.

1. If Packers will not trade him, but he retires, Packers will just save ~20 mill $ from cap. But nothing else. Also they will not be forced to spent ~10 mill $ on old, often injured players who are not either in position to be better (because of age) or to spend to much future money on average or slightly average players.

2. If Packers and ACR agreed on trade, you got all what I mention under the point 1. plus anything you can get from trade in draft picks. It does not mean that you will not get substantial draft capital. It means that the first and the most important is to go out of that ridiculous deal signed with ACR. I'm sure Packers will be able to get at least 1 first, and 1 second day and one to two third day picks for next draft.

Both options will enable Packers to make fast rebuild. But, Packers will need to be at the market trading some of their older players that are still at high level. Players like Bakh, Jones, Smith etc.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:46 am

I think that two second round picks (1 in 23 and 1 in 24) and a 2023 4th round pick is somewhat like what a hypothetical deal would look like.

Yes. We must trade and cut Jones, Bakhtiari, and P. Smith. All are aging and expensive, not just this year but for the next few years. We can set up the next era of Packers football by clearing out tons of future cap space.

This also is why we SHOULD NOT BE RESTRUCTURING any more than is necessary to get under the salary cap!

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:56 am

I would like to keep Bahk rather than cutting him because we don't get much if any by releasing him (trading him is a different animal). I would also like to keep Jones for at least 23 so that Love can have a reliable running game.

And yes, we need to stop the restructuring madness!

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:04 am

If we release him post-June first, we get 17 million in cap space cleared up. That is a lot, and can be used to pay for the rookies and other expenses. Tom and Nijman are capable, and having a full offseason to train at the positions they're going to play should improve the quality of their play.

I don't want to keep Jones. It is irresponsible to keep pushing the salary bill further and further down the line - I do NOT want to be in the Saints' position. We need the cap relief that a cut/trade would provide, and we cannot afford to sacrifice our future cap space even more - if that happens, not only will we be a bad team, but we also will be over the cap, too.

More importantly, though, cutting Bakhtiari and Jones frees up a whopping 32 million of cap space in 2024! In my view, if we cut/trade the expensive veterans (Rodgers, Jones, Bakh, P. Smith), we can free up cap space in 2024 and then, along with strong drafting, build contenders from there.

I know it isn't pleasant for you or for me realize, but the Packers can't have them all. I love Aaron Jones so much as a player and person, but It is the only responsible thing to cut Bakhtiari and Jones. Dillon, Goodson, Taylor, and hopefully one other guy from the 2023 draft should be able to balance the load.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:21 am

I didn't know that about Bahk's contract - I've been reading here that cap relief in 23 was minimal. I do like your take on 24, and it would fit with Love's progression - a 2023 season similar to AR's 2008 season, a cap much better under control in 2024, leading maybe to a possible SB in 2025. A sound strategy.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:25 am

Yes...that sounds like a sound strategy.

If we did that, though, we would not get the 17 million in cap relief until June first, as players can be cut earlier with a post-June first designation. That should be enough to sort out all the "little" expenses.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:43 am

Rebuild? . Oh thats a winning formula.
We waited 20 years between Starr and Favre.
It's Re-load. Love was drafted to soon.
New Orleans loved him. Give him to them.
A 3 team trade brings us any need.
Everyone has regressed that gutey signed.
We can only hope they reclaim their best!

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:57 am

In what reality has "everyone that gutey signed" regressed?

You're just trolling yourself at this point.

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 03:44 pm

Well, they are coached by LaFleur and his band of brilliance

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 02:19 pm

Higgins is chewing up Buffalo's secondary as we blog.

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cdoemel's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:27 am

What I saw from Love was a decisive qb who commands the huddle, sees the field, gets the ball out and makes crisp, accurate passes. Sick and tired of the knee jerk front office haters who are so blinded by their distain they actually suggest idiocy like Carr in GB.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:37 am

I will bet Love will be a career backup who floats around the NFL for a few years then retires to coach college somewhere..

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:46 am

Cool. That is your unsubstantiated opinion.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:58 am

I bet Love is a future HOF who takes the Lions to multiple Super Bowl wins.

See, anyone can play this idiotic game!

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:44 am

I think that the Jets and the Falcons are the two most likely options because both teams have:
1.Enough cap space to take on Rodgers’ contract
2.A superb roster in place (or even more cap space with which to build one)
3..A need at QB in some form or another.

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January 22, 2023 at 08:53 am

More and more, I just want to thank #15 for his play and character. Yes, different times and angles...but, character and buying into a team-first approach is sublime. (and quite successful if there is buy in from others)

GPG!

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January 22, 2023 at 09:02 am

#15 .. greatest QB in Packers history. As he stated , it’s how you play in big games that really matters.. and Bart always played well.

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January 22, 2023 at 11:06 am

He was a true Starr

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HarryHodag's picture

January 22, 2023 at 08:54 am

There's going to be a number of veteran QB's around this off season. The question is whether you want to pay megadollars for an aging player with an attitude.
The 49's look like they found a steal in Brock Purdy. There's talk already that they might be willing to trade Trey Lance to avoid a QB conflict next fall. Garappolo is all but gone already. David Carr is on the market. Tom Brady, Ryan Tannehill and Lamar Jackson also might hit the open market. That's six veteran starters who also could be available. All are still viable starters. So the market for Rodgers might be very limited. The most viable trade partners are the Jets and possibly Las Vegas.

The Jets might look at one of the other veterans before Rodgers. If Shefter's report is accurate it appears the Packers will be cutting ties with many of AR's pals so that might end it there. If he retires it would really put the squeeze on the Packers budget which also might be spurring talk of cutting several veterans.

What a mess and not one that will be cleaned up easily.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:03 am

I agree with everything you said, except for the last sentence.

"What a mess and not one that will be cleaned up easily."

I know it looks like a shit-show right now, but it could be cleaned up very quickly. All the FO has to do is pull the trigger on a trade to NYJ. Once you trade Rodgers, then you take a look at your roster and make honest decisions.

The cap gymnastics I'm not too worried about, because they can sort those out. Trading AR12 will gain at least some draft capital we can use to shore up some position groups.

I think Denver hired Hackett in the hope AR12 could be lured away from Gutey. I think if it was up to Gutey, he would've sent AR12 to Denver in a heartbeat, but I believe MM insisted on running it back one more season after his "We are not idiots" comment...

If Hackett is in fact hired by NYJ, I do expect AR12 to start in '23 for the Jets.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:00 am

"If Hackett is in fact hired by NYJ, I do expect AR12 to start in '23 for the Jets."

Don't tease... :)

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January 22, 2023 at 12:12 pm

*Trying to will it into existence.

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fangirl's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:10 am

Rodgers has to agree to the trade destination.

I like the Raiders but they have a Defense worse than GB and the coach could be problematic.

The Jets...Who is the OC? Hackett interviewed recently, I know

Titans...Good coach but receivers??

Rodgers already knows the pros & cons of these teams.

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January 22, 2023 at 09:31 am

AR12 doesn't have to agree to a trade, but it would be nice so he doesn't just say % you and retire, but he doesn't have to agree.

My guess would be the Jets, because he likes the HC, Hackett may be interviewing on the direction of Rodgers, and because Brett went to the Jets. I think AR12 would love to show the world that it wasn't Hackett that was the problem in Denver, but Russell Wilson.

I also think he might think it's fitting both our HOF QBs were traded to the Jets? For AR12 the only thing better than winning another Super Bowl with the Packers, would be to have Joe Namath give the OK for AR12 to wear his "retired" #12 and win a Super Bowl with the New York Jets.

Imagine Rodgers HOF speech if that were to happen.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:50 am

Good thought provoking post Bird, although I doubt the Jets hire Hackett just to get to Rodgers. The whole league saw how that strategy played out in Denver.

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January 22, 2023 at 12:19 pm

The old adage applies: This year will be different. GMs think they can do the impossible. I'm sure that's what the GM thought in Queensland when he traded for Hershel Walker too.

Ditka trading his whole draft for Ricky Williams?

Russell Wilson Trade?

I don't want to go there, but have you forgotten the John Hadl trade?

This year is different though. Rodgers said on PMS, he would understand if the Packers decided to go younger. Which to me means, he's open to a trade, while last year, I don't think he was open to a trade last year. If the NYJ do hire Hackett, I could see Rodgers accepting a trade easily.

AR12 would know he'd be running the show, just like he did with MaLF.

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January 22, 2023 at 02:14 pm

"I don't want to go there, but have you forgotten the John Hadl trade?"

Lol, yet you went there.

I remember being so excited about it at first. Those were tough times for the Packers. I was just a kid living in Maine. I joined the Packers party right after the glory days ended. When we first got Hadl it looked like the Pack was Back. Hell, I even got to watch them play on TV. I still have fond memories of those days, and I never gave up on them.

"This year is different though. Rodgers said on PMS, he would understand if the Packers decided to go younger. Which to me means, he's open to a trade, while last year, I don't think he was open to a trade last year."

I have no doubt that if it was completely up to AR, he would choose to retire having only played for the Packers. He gets the history, and appreciates the history of this team. He also understands the business of the NFL.

I fully realize you and my fellow brethren here at CHTV see AR differently, but one only has to go back to the very end of his last presser to see that being a Packer has meant a lot to that man.

If Aaron moves on, I truly hope everyone will take a second and reflect on why they resent (in fact loath in some cases) a player who gets and embraces what it means to be a Green Bay Packer.

His words have consistently been twisted to fit a narrative. That was the point of Bill Hubers article that I linked to in a previous thread. The NFL talking heads (and many others) have done an injustice to him ever since his "inoculation" statement, which I believe was a mistake on his part. Honesty is always the best policy, and if ever there was a time to stand up for your beliefs, that was the time.

I have no idea what the Packers are going to do. In the end, it doesn't matter. It will not change the fact that I am a Packer fan for life.

However, I have made the decision that I will no longer respond to the Aaron Rodgers comments here in the " Rodgers is the Son of Satan Club" echo chamber of CHTV ( shout out to President Oppy and VP Jurp).

That being said. Before all the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comments start, I am only refraining from wasting my time defending what the majority of regular commenters have no interest in debating . My minds made up, your minds are made up. Hence, waste of time for all of us :)

Truth is, minus the Aaron Rodgers lighting rod, I very much enjoy the interaction with my well educated fellow Packers fans here at CHTV !!

Bring on the Rodgers decision, and bring on the Draft. Go Pack Go!!

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 02:54 pm

Maine, I appreciate your opinions. But, you saying we are #12 haters is incorrect and an easy way out for people to call us so. I haven't seen a person call you a Love hater. Maybe, accept the fact that we...or I, want #12 gone for the betterment of the team. It is about the here and now and not what he has done in the past (he has been compensated for that). I don't see any haters, just passionate fans with opinions that differ.

That is my Maine point, anyways. :)

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 05:44 pm

Pantz, where in my post did I use the word hater? Typical projection. As I said in my post, I choose not to participate in the Aaron Rodgers debate in here. One cannot debate a closed mind. I do appreciate that you have an opinion though :)

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:00 pm

Yeah, I don't hate Rodgers at all, in fact, I love the dude and what he's accomplished, I just think it's time to trade him for all we can and move forward.

I love how people call him a hippie, yet when he rises up against the Covid narrative, the hate pours out. I can see them now driving in their cars with their masks on, mad at the world and AR12 for daring to challenge tyranny... SMH

(You're a good dude though MPF, so hang in there!) (Not like Jeff E. though!) ;P

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:13 pm

LMFAO Bird!!! That was funny shit. Thanks!!!

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:14 pm

Oh, okay...my bad.

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:18 pm

it's a beautiful mystery isn't it Pantz :)

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:23 pm

With me, I had to lose my pantz...to find myself. :D

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 06:27 pm

Nicely played. lol

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 04:21 pm

As I posted yesterday, I can't hate Rodgers because I've never met him. What I hate is how he has manipulated the team (and, actually, since it takes two to tango, Murphy is culpable as well) into saddling the Packers with an untenable salary cap situation if they go with him in 23. I also do not like how he has manipulated the press, how he is all about himself and never about the team, and how he's at times spreading disinformation (my wife's a healthcare scientist; what Rodgers said is pure Bullshit). If this makes me president of the AR is Son of Satan fan club, then you have an odd take on things, IMO. HE's FAR from any kind of spawn of Satan.

Glad that you're a Packers fan, and hoping for the day when all this bullshit is behind us (and in New York) so that we can bitch about something else :)

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MainePackFan's picture

January 22, 2023 at 05:59 pm

Jurp, I purposely didn't use the word hate in my post. I do find it interesting that it keeps coming up in the responses. FYI: you will only be President if Oppy is unable to perform his duties. Sorry.

"Glad that you're a Packers fan, and hoping for the day when all this bullshit is behind us (and in New York) so that we can bitch about something else :)"

Finally, something we can agree on ; )

Unless he comes back..............stay tuned. lol

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January 22, 2023 at 10:58 am

Titans would be a good fit, but they have worse cap problems than us. However, Ravens are a playoff team with plenty of cap space.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:07 am

Jets have an open spot at OC. Maybe they get someone Rodgers would like?

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:23 am

Heck, the Jets should hire AR as both OC and starting QB and just make official what's been the de facto organization in GB,

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:27 am

LOL

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 12:21 pm

So he'd get a raise right?

: P

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January 22, 2023 at 09:17 am

I know for writing purposes it is easier to whittle down the field to the 3 most likely teams: Jets, Raiders, and Titans ~ But in reality there could be many more teams thinking about AR12.

Patriots, Ravens (if they don't get a deal done with Lamar), Colts, Texans, Miami, Commanders, Bucs (If Tom signs elsewhere) Panthers, Saints, and Falcons could all be interested to different degrees, in addition to the JETS, RAIDERS, and TITANS.

I seriously thought Gutey (Mark Murphy) was an idiot for not trading AR12 to Denver last year, but maybe they looked at it and figured there would be many more teams looking for a QB this year, than last, IDK. I would rather think our FO was smarter rather than the alternative, but there has been plenty of evidence to the contrary lately.

With a Baker's dozen of teams possibly entertaining the idea of trading for AR12, Gutey ought to be able to narrow it down to the 3 most likely teams, whoever they might be, for whatever reasons, and get a bidding war going for AR12. I really don't care where he ends up as long as Gutey gets a reasonable trade offer and we get out from underneath AR12's thumb, I'm good.

I think the writer came up with the 3 most likely trade destinations, but a surprise team might bump the trade compensation enough the "We aren't idiots" actually consider trading him after the disappointing year we endured. Not to mention AR12 basically told the organization he wanted Big Dog on the team as long as he played here. I don't think AR12 ever says anything without thinking about it seriously, especially in public (PMS), so he may have been sending a message.

"If you want me to ask for a trade, just tell me you're moving on from Big Dog, Cobb, and Crosby..." At least that was my interpretation when I heard him on the PMS.

After the season discussions were had. Right after AR12 walked out of my office, if I'm Gutey, I would've called the GMs I wanted to trade AR12 to and had a preliminary discussion to determine each team's interest. I would give AR12 two or three weeks, and then call him up and say, as much as we love Big Dog, Cobb, and Crosby, we've decided to move on from them and go younger.

Now the ball is in AR12's court and he has to decide if he's going to stick with his "I want my guys or I want to be traded." I feel as though AR12 put those conditions on the organization to force them to trade him. I could of course be wrong, but I do think he's eyeing NYJ, Titans, or Raiders. Tom left the AFC and went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl. I think AR12 wants to leave the NFC and win a Super Bowl in the AFC. Not sure that's smart with Mahomie, Burroughs, and Allen in the AFC, but who knows.

I think there will be plenty of teams willing to trade for AR12, lets hope Gutey has the stones and gets as much as he can as we waive goodbye to AR12 as he heads out of town.

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Guam's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:32 am

I love your optimism BDU and can only hope the Packers have that many teams interested in acquiring Rodgers' services. I do think you have the wrong guy (Gutey) in your last sentence. I think Gute would have traded Rodgers last year, but Mark "were not idiots" Murphy changed course and opted to resign Rodgers. I think it will have to be Murphy's decision to move on from Rodgers.

I am hoping I soon hear that the Packers have elected not to resign Cobb, Big Dog, etc. etc. as that will be the harbinger of Rodgers final days as a Packer. The guy has given us many great years and a Super Bowl, but at age 39/40 he is no longer the future of the Packers.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:11 am

Oh, I definitely agree with you! If it were up to Gutey, AR12 would've been a Bronco last year, no doubt in my mind.

Mark Murphy has been the catalyst for most of our terrible decisions the last 3 years, IMO.

I sincerely believe Rodgers was giving the Packers the opportunity to clear the way for his trade when AR12 said he would understand if the Packers "decided to go younger..."

Once they go public with the news we're not re-signing Big Dog, Cobb, and Crosby, things will start happening rapidly, I firmly believe that.

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January 22, 2023 at 10:15 am

I think Gutey will have to convince MM to trade AR12... If he can't convince Mark Murphy to trade AR12, it could be a very long and painful off-season for the Packers...

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:44 am

I don't .
The thing they will look at is;
Does Rodgers have the players behind him?
Or will they keep having Fumbles.
The protection/break downs of the OL.
MLF weighing in.
If Rodgers goes. MLF will be next.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:04 am

"If Rodgers goes. MLF will be next."

I sure as hell hope so. Murphy can go with him to whatever soon-to-be-a-shitshow team signs him.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:08 am

Hopefully Rich B is his replacement!

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January 22, 2023 at 10:20 am

A lot of teams who might be interested won't be left standing when the bidding ends though.

I have no doubt there will be at least two or three teams in the final bidding war, if in fact Murphy lets Gutey pursue trading AR12.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:47 am

Bad press can bring down anybody.
You only have to look at the weaponization.
And it's better to move on than put lives in danger.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:05 am

"...lives in danger." WTF? Who's putting lives in danger? What planet are you on?

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RichBeckman's picture

January 22, 2023 at 02:17 pm

Is ChatGPT writing your posts?

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 04:22 pm

No, I think the grammar and punctuation would be better.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:10 am

I think we can eliminate the Titans, Saints, and Panthers because all of those teams will be over the cap in 2023 substantially, and it would be very cumbersome and require stripping core parts of their roster in order to take on Rodgers' contract. The Jets, Falcons, and Raiders have enough cap space (or could easily create enough) to take on Rodgers' contract.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2023 at 02:47 am

You mean Pre-menstrual syndrom with PMS, do you?

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fangirl's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:03 am

I agree with Guam, I think Gutey would like to trade Rodgers and install his guy, but I really don't think he has the decision-making authority most GM's have.
I would be very surprised if Rodgers, Big Dog, Tonyan weren't re-signed. Cobb?? I wonder if he would be an effective assistant WR coach?
Big Dog might be a good TE assistant coach. Might solve the problem of keeping old vets around.

'As the Beautiful Mystery turns'

I still think Rodgers and Gutey dislike each other--Rodgers has the IQ advantage, though.

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:07 am

I agree with everything except the last sentence. Rodgers has convinced me over the past couple of years that he actually is not all that bright - bright enough to get into Cal, but certainly NOT the "smartest man in the room". Gutekunst, IMO, is far smarter than AR.

Where Rodgers excels is in manipulation - in that field, he's an effing genius.

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fangirl's picture

January 22, 2023 at 04:24 pm

@Jurp, the reason I talk about IQ is that neither Gute nor MLF can string a sentence together w/o tripping. Their inarticulateness is pronounced.
Rodgers is very strategic and is playing Gute right now.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:11 am

Lewis has stated he wants to play for one more year. Then, hopefully, he joins the Packers' coaching staff.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:11 am

Come on #12, you got this! Grab that guitar, go to the local upscale watering hole. Grab the mic, lean into the song and say (in your own words of course)...

This is a song by John Denver, you all know:

'Cause I'm leavin' on a JET plane,
don't know when I'll be back again"

*Back ground vocals sung by: Big Doggy, Cobby, Bakhy

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:16 am

You forgot the obvious: Crosby

Shame on you! Lol

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:27 am

Okay BDog, Crosby....Stillsy....and Nashy. As always BDog...

You gotta leg up on the competition.

Go BD Go!

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fangirl's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:18 am

I've often wondered if Gute was sticking it to Rodgers by 'replacing' Davante with 3 wet-behind-the-ears rooks and a retread (Watkins)
Seemed a bit passive-aggressive to me--a sabotage.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:36 am

Lol... I don't think that was his intent, but in hindsight, it doesn't look good... ; P

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:52 am

Correct Fan girl.
Especially when you see Hanson on the OL.

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2023 at 03:53 pm

That would be LaFleur. Perhaps they are all ganging up on the guy they gave the farm to. Or perhaps you are just the mother of invention.

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Oppy's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:01 am

You just joined the "you're actually stupid" group.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:13 am

What should he have done? Cut half of his roster and sent away valuable draft picks in order to trade for some good WR with an inflated Ego? We didn't have the cap apparatus in 2022 to replace Davante with a trade or in free agency.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:24 am

Andddd, before I go and leave you fine folk in peace to enjoy the day. It really isn't a #12 vs #10. More like offensive scheme vs offensive scheme + ad lib.

Trying to compare #10 to #12 is unfair and impossible at this point. It's like comparing apples to........, apples to mushrooms.

I always thought that #12 would be totally different when out of the limelight with a good scotch in hand. I have no doubt, he is a fungi. :)

*there is research being done where mushrooms can be quite helpful for certain people.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:44 am

well I'm sure 12 knows all about them...

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:13 am

#12 is the mushrooms, right?

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beautiful_mystery's picture

January 22, 2023 at 02:27 pm

Yep, that's it...the morel of the story.

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lozmel's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:24 am

Please make print bigger. I go to the next story when print is so small.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:38 am

I agree!

I hate small print, reminds me I'm old enough to remember the '60s Packers...

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jurp's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:09 am

You do know that you can make whatever's on your browser tab larger, right? Ctrl+mouse wheel forward.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 12:35 pm

LMAO... I do now! Now I can see it from 200 yards in my bunker.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 22, 2023 at 02:58 pm

PFN with trades.
#29 Anton Harrison OKL OT
#33 Uzomah K State Edge
#45 Tucker Kraft SD State TE
#68 Ji'Ayir Brown P State S
#78 Keeanu Benton Badgers DT
#114 Sean Tucker Syracuse RB
#147 Schnoonmaker Michigan TE
#202 Incoom C Mich. Edge
#211 Zion Nelson Miami OT/OG
#221 Chris Rodriguez Ken tuck RB

Moved a GB #1 and BAlt #2 saved Baltimore #1 (2024).

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:12 pm

Actually looks like a Gutey draft. 3 - 4 names I've heard of.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 23, 2023 at 03:10 pm

Please, no comparison to Gutedkunst.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:42 am

Who wants an expensive QB that will play for maybe two more years?? The day of the pocket statue standing back there waiting to get sacked is pretty much gone...Rodgers will retire or be back at GB most likely...im saying he'll be back...cant see him playing for that coach in LV, Adams or not..

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:10 am

How about if NYJ hire Hackett as the OC?

If the FO stubbornly hangs on to AR12, we deserve what we get...

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:21 am

I don't care where. Just trade him. I want to move past all the drama. It's like 2008 all over again.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 12:36 pm

The only good thing about it is, we'll come away with a lot more than a 4th round pick and a ton of cap space to boot. (IMO)

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Since'61's picture

January 22, 2023 at 11:34 am

Zzzzzzzzz! Thanks, Since '61

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fangirl's picture

January 22, 2023 at 12:02 pm

Here is a possible scenario that may have contributed to the big Rodgers contract.

When I look back @ the timeline between the last game, (SF) 1/22/22 & the 'deal'-making (conversation) among D, the Raiders & GB,
there is only a period of 3-4 weeks. Derek C called D the day after the game, D was already angry w GB about his stalled contract and tagging possibility, GB didn't want to pay D big bucks and wanted less focus on him.

IMO, all of this chatter was happening while Rodgers was away 'cleansing', golfing, MVP'ing, etc. and not included in the convo.

He could have found out afterwards and 'forced' GB to offer D 'more $$$ than LV' but GB knew D was already out. He was seen weeks earlier looking @ fancy real estate in LV.

AR's big contract could have been a way to placate him.

Once again, he was left out of the conversation and I really don't think there is any love lost betw Gute and Rodgers.

He might not have intended to go for that big contract initially (while D was there)

Before leaving for the golf, MVP etc., he told GB to 'pay' D and he would sign his contract after. I think AR wanted D to be paid well.

AR said in a podcast that losing D broke his heart and his social media was radio silent after D left...no well-wishes, etc.I don't think he knew. He won't admit to that but something big went on during those 3-4 weeks, IMO.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2023 at 02:55 am

Weak proposal. ACR said several times that DA and himself were talking by phone very often. I doubt Davante lied to him. After all, Davante was always behind what he said. Unlikely some other actors in this post.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 22, 2023 at 05:32 pm

OK, I'm going to have to ask a question here, because I'm kind of losing track, but if Rodgers is going to cost us X $$$ if he plays for us, or X$$$ if he doesn't, then where's the gain? If it's not the draft picks, and it's not helping us money wise, then why not keep him and play him as long as he's better than Love?

I was looking at pro-football-reference today at Rodgers 2022 season. He was average. An average QB. How average?

17th in passer rating. 27th in QB rating. Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt puts him at 20th. 18th in Yards/Game. 10th in passing first downs!! 12th in TD % and 17th in INT%. Aaron Rodgers was an average NFL QB in 2022.

I'm just saying this because I've read articles in a couple of places discussing the nuts and bolts of kicking the can down the road another year and continuing to bet on an an increasing salary cap. So, just for the record, I want to say that it doesn't really seem to make the 2023 team any worse FINANCIALLY if we hang onto Bakhtiari and Jones and Rodgers. That damage has been done.

I'm not in favor of it, but I can see how things could line up so that there'd be the temptation to run it back again. IMO, this is what "Going All In" means.....there's a price to pay. Time to pay the piper. Stick with The Plan that started before Love was even drafted and put him at the helm of the team and have a friendly parting with Rodgers, because we can be more competitive with Love. There, I said it. Improve the line, and he'll look as good as Fields or Goff or Cousins.

We need a new engine for the offense. Love-Dillon/Draftpick-Watson. . Better complementary skill position players. Improved blocking.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2023 at 02:57 am

With existing salaries Packers are already ~20 mill $ over the cap! So, you can not keep everybody as you suggests.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 05:52 pm

For all those hoping for a WR/TE in the 1st round, if you've watched the games today, you'll notice Pressure from Pass Rushers making all the difference...

Why you take the Best Possible Available (BPA) OLBer or elite pass rush IDL... ; )

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Packers1985's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:19 pm

But again the teams to TE threat definitely made some difference too in offense. Please not defense again in the first rd. We do need some offensive weapons.

Time to strengthen the Oline ,TE and a safety are definitely a must for packers this yr going into the draft.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:49 pm

I'm on record saying the last thing we should take in the 1st round is a TE. I will stand by that, which also means you're probably going to much happier than I will be on draft night when Gutey Drafts Mayer with his first pick. SMH

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Coldworld's picture

January 23, 2023 at 08:56 am

There are, once in a while, a few TEs that are genuine first rounders. However, it’s not clear to me how we would use one with Rodgers, based upon history. Without Rodgers, a developmental TE could be a great piece to grow with our young WRs. That said, I’ve not delved deeply into the candidates. My gut is that, at 15, we go a different direction and continue to look for a TE as we have been, with an eye for blocking. I’m leaning towards feeling that we should trade down, increase our picks and take BPA.

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Packers1985's picture

January 23, 2023 at 09:26 am

I too agree TE shouldn't be taken in the 1st rd. Atleast we should trade back this draft and pick a safety or olinemen in the laster part of 1st rd and remaining can follow later.

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stockholder's picture

January 23, 2023 at 09:43 pm

I wouldn't take a Te or DT.
By The way we had a disagreement
on last year on DTs.
While the packers took Wyatt.
I said Travis Jones would make the All -Rookie Team.
He Did.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 23, 2023 at 07:49 am

Did you also see the impact Kittle made, both as a blocker and receiver? It was tremendous, and the Packers need a Kelce/Kittle type guy and they have an opportunity to do that. There are some great TE prospects this year. Mayer, Washington, Musgrave, Kincaid, and Kraft are all very good.

I am not against taking an EDGE rusher or DL, I would actually be a big proponent of it, but all of the best prospects would be off the board by #15. Myles Murphy of Clemson and Tyree Wilson of Texas Tech will be gone at EDGE, and Bryan Bresee probably won’t fall all the way to #15. This is a deep class, though, and there are lots of great guys at both positions we could get in the 2nd round. We could also trade down to the end of the first and then select one of these positions.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 23, 2023 at 03:18 pm

Kittle and Hurst Impacted the Results in yesterday's playoffs. I think most of the D-line talent is over-rated for round one. Benton is just as good or better than the ACC guys. Mazi Smith is a load with fast feet. I still have a round one grade for Uzomah with a trade down to the 20s.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 23, 2023 at 03:18 pm

AI.

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canadapacker's picture

January 22, 2023 at 09:57 pm

As "61 says ZZZZZZZ. And I am getting tired of the vitriol and getting tired of those dumping on this year's AR stats - whatever. They are what they are and the team was horrible this year and it was not on one guy. Even Brady was 8-9 this year. So whatever.
Now I hope that AR gets traded and moreover - I hope that he wants to be traded. And dont think that because the Packers play the Raiders will come into the equation. As a matter of fact might just be the game of the week and sell a lot of tickets and advertising.
But my question is this - if AR decides to retire or if they ( team ownership decides to go with Love) and bench AR - what is the Dead Money implication?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/ That is AR's salary and it shows $99 million dead cap - What does that mean and even if another team picks up his salary ( as Indie did with Ryan) the Dead Cap stays.
That is a big consideration in all this. After this ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 22, 2023 at 10:44 pm

15 Brian Branch S | Alabama

45 Darnell Washington TE | Georgia

78 Zach Charbonnet RB | UCLA

115 Xavier Hutchinson WR | Iowa State

149 Joe Tippmann OT | Wisconsin

170 Ochaun Mathis EDGE | Nebraska

233 Nick Saldiveri OT | Old Dominion

236 Keytaon Thompson WR | Virginia

243 Hunter Luepke RB | North Dakota State

255 Robert Cooper DL | Florida State

258 Zack Kuntz TE | Old Dominion

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 23, 2023 at 05:35 pm

Branch is a great prospect. I like the duo of Kuntz and Washington - they contrast each other nicely. I would not go RB in round 3, though. Hutchinson is also great. As a Nebraska fan, I can tell you that Mathis did not do much for us. However, he had a great day in week 1 against Northwestern LT Peter Skoronski. I really like Cooper of FSU as well - I would take a Center at pick 233 instead of another OT

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Packerpasty's picture

January 26, 2023 at 05:41 pm

AR12 goes to the Jets he will be in the playoffs...with that c coaching staff and defense, no problem...get away from soft ass MLF and this staff will be a blessing for him and his final couple of years...I hope he does it....hell, the Jets were pretty good with scrubs at the QB position...

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