Hello Wisconsin: Picking Up the Pieces After a Disastrous End
The Packers must come to a quick decision about their coaching situation.
By TimBackes

It’s been five days since the Packers’ stunning loss to the Chicago Bears that capped an inexplicable second-half collapse, something that has become routine under the stewardship of Matt LaFleur.
The days since have been filled with blame, analysis, and speculation about the future. I’m not particularly interested in talking much about the game itself at this point; by now, all of us have had our fill, and who really wants to think about it any more anyway?
But permit me to add a bit more to the speculation side of things, specifically with regard to the direction the Packers will take with the head coaching position.
First, let me be plain: if I were Ed Policy, Matt LaFleur would not be coaching the Green Bay Packers in 2026.
This is a departure for me, though a position I’ve been drifting toward over the course of the season. I’ve never straight up called for LaFleur to be fired, but there have been times throughout this season where i was close. At this point, I, like many others, have come to the conclusion that LaFleur has proven to have too prominent of a propensity for collapse. To lose so many games the team has led in late is inexcusable; to do so twice to the freaking Chicago Bears in less than a month is unforgivable.
LaFleur has made a lot of positive contributions in his time with the team and I do think he is a good coach who would quickly find work elsewhere, but the time has come to part ways. It has become clear the team has achieved its ceiling under his leadership, and unless the goal is more seventh seeds and early playoff exits, there is little reason for me to have confidence in him as the leader of the team moving forward. Sometimes the difficult choice in the short term is the right choice in the long term.
Now, all that being said, it’s going to be fascinating to see what decision the Packers actually make. If LaFleur weren’t going to be a lame duck going into 2026, I think it would be a simple choice for Policy: let LaFleur have another year under his contract to prove that it was just the injuries that did this team in.
But as it is, LaFleur’s contract comes to an end after the 2026 season, and teams are extremely hesitant to allow coaches to operate on a single-year deal. There are a variety of reasons for this, one of the biggest of which being that it is very hard to assemble a good assistant coaching staff if candidates are worried that the head coach might not be around much longer.
As I’ve written multiple times before, dating back to my frustrations with LaFleur in the middle of the season, the Packers have two options: extend or move on, whether that be a mutual parting of the ways, a termination, or even a trade.
Extending may be easier said than done. LaFleur knows he could get a hell of a lot more money on the open market than what he’d get by staying in Green Bay, which gives him leverage in negotiations. Justis Mosqueda’s reporting for Acme Packing Company indicates LaFleur was hired at a rate of around $5 million annually and he still is less than $10 million. Meanwhile, top head coaching candidate John Harbaugh is expected to command a salary in the neighborhood of $20 million.
Herein lies the dilemma for the historically cheap Packers: if they want to keep LaFleur, they’re going to have to pay.
Perhaps Policy does still have some belief in LaFleur. But perhaps that level of belief doesn’t extend to a market-rate contract. To that end, even if Policy’s preference leans toward bringing back LaFleur, he might not find it worth the money to do so.
If Policy had complete faith in LaFleur, there wouldn’t need to be much of a negotiation; he’d pay the money necessary to bring him back to Green Bay. But as ESPN’s Adam Schefter has been reporting all week, the Packers and LaFleur continue to work through talks to “potentially” bring him back. This means the Packers clearly have at least some reservations with LaFleur. But those reservations are not so significant that they’re willing to just cut ties.
So, reading between the lines, here’s where we’re at: the Packers want LaFleur back, but not so much that they’re unwilling to let him walk for more money. It’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of LaFleur.
Whatever the resolution might turn out to be, it’s going to have to happen quickly. The other coaching positions are going to start filling up, and candidates aren’t going to wait around to figure out what the Packers are going to do while premium landing places like Baltimore and Pittsburgh are suddenly available.
Both the Packers and LaFleur, then, should be motivated to come to a quick arrangement. The Packers need to make sure they have a good coaching situation, and LaFleur needs to make sure he’s not left out of the coaching puzzle should he be allowed to walk.
Best guess: the two sides manage to figure it out, and LaFleur is back in 2026.
But with this being the deepest coaching bench in recent memory for a hiring cycle, it sure feels as though the Packers are missing a prime opportunity to take a new direction and avoid a situation where they trap themselves underneath a low ceiling for several more seasons in what should be the prime of Jordan Love’s blossoming career.
Wisconsin Beer of the Week

In my most recent trip to Woodman’s, I was looking for some styles of beer I haven’t had in a while. It’s been quite a bit since I purchased a belgian, let alone a belgian quad, and when I saw Veneration by 3 Sheeps (based out of Sheboygan), I was instantly sold.
Here’s how the brewery describes it:
“Veneration is an homage to the Trappist Brewers of Belgium, the monastic forefathers of beer. To innovate on their traditions, we took a true-to-style Belgian Quad, added figs and molasses, and aged the whole thing in rye whiskey barrels. The result is a complex beer that’s full of flavor and worthy of the monks that inspired us. We couldn’t think of a better way to express our veneration.”
As you’d expect for the style, this one’s a heavy one. It comes in at 13.2 percent ABV, but its sweet maltiness makes it surprisingly smooth. Highly, highly recommend for fans of belgian quads and barrel aged beers; this one blends the flavors seamlessly. A truly outstanding brew.
Grab it now – it’s in liquor stores and in season!
I’ll be surprised if Jeff Hafley gets a head coaching job
There’s been a lot of talk throughout the regular season that Jeff Hafley would be a hot name in the coaching market this offseason. Well, that was before the team’s defense fell apart after the loss of Micah Parsons, and before names like John Harbaugh, Kevin Stefanski, and Mike Tomlin suddenly became available, in addition to expected hot coordinator names like Brian Flores, Jesse Minter, and more.
There are nine head coaching openings, which is certainly a large number, second in recent memory only to the 10 in 2022 (eight of those 10 hirees have since been fired, by the way). But Hafley doesn’t have a whole lot of NFL experience on his resume, and his head coaching stint at Boston College wasn’t exactly wildly successful.
If reports are true that Tomlin will take at least a year off coaching to go into television, that takes one top name off the list. But there are a whole lot of other candidates out there seeking employment, which means that even in a year with a lot of openings, Hafley might not be a standout option.
That being said, he’s definitely at least drawing interest. Hafley has interviewed with the Titans and Dolphins, and at the time of this writing has interviews scheduled with the Falcons, Raiders, and Cardinals. This means he’ll have interviewed with five of the nine teams with openings.
My best guess right now: he misses out on an opening and comes back for another year with Green Bay next season.
Unfortunately, though, a lot of the initial hype and excitement surrounding Hafley’s work has evaporated after the stench of the team’s final five games.
End of an era
Speaking of coaching openings, how fitting it is that both Harbaugh and Tomlin ended their long-time tenures at the same time.
The Steelers hired Tomlin in 2007, and Harbaugh went to the Ravens in 2008. They have had a whole lot of pretty epic battles in the years since, including an AFC Championship bout in Harbaugh’s first year there, as well as several other playoff contests.
It’s rare that teams are as patient with coaches as the Steelers and Ravens were with both of these men. Harbaugh’s Ravens had to reinvent themselves several times over the years to remain competitive, going from a run-first, hard-nosed defensive team to a highlight reel offensive team under Lamar Jackson. Tomlin never had a losing season in 19 years, which is a pretty remarkable accomplishment, even with the seven consecutive one-and-dones.
The NFL looked very different when both of these men were hired. Offenses and defenses both changed; rule changes have made playing defense harder than ever. The collective bargaining agreement in 2011 fundamentally changed the sport and the way franchises operate. And they’ve been constants through that whole time.
Harbaugh will be coaching next year; Tomlin likely will not. But their ends in their respective jobs mark a clear close to a bygone era of football.
Around the NFC North
As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North.
- The CHICAGO BEARS have certainly succeeded in upping the ante in terms of the intensity of their rivalries this year. One thing’s for sure: every single Packer fan will enter next season hating this Bears team much more after their antics following their last two dramatic victories over the Green and Gold. Ben Johnson has turned around the team’s culture in a single season, but getting back to this point may be difficult given the Bears’ financial situation and their first-place schedule in 2026.
- The DETROIT LIONS watched the first round of the playoffs from the couch, which is their natural habitat in January and February.
- The MINNESOTA VIKINGS suck.
Mr. Backes’s “This or That”
Every day I put a different “this or that” poll up on my whiteboard and have students leave tallies throughout the day. I then compile this information and post it here for laughs.
- STEM defeated arts (this hurt my soul)
- Dab defeated whip and nae nae
- Sour patch defeated Skittles
- Owala defeated Stanley
Divisional Round Picks
Looking forward to this weekend’s games. The divisional round often offers the best quality football of the year, but the wild card round will be tough to beat – especially those first four games.
BUFFALO over Denver – This just feels like the Bills may finally be a team of destiny, and I trust their playoff experience over Denver’s. They finally got off the schneid with road playoff games, and Denver is certainly a tough place to play, but Buffalo’s offense is significantly better than Denver’s, and I expect that to be the difference.
HOUSTON over New England – This is going to be a tense matchup that I’m very much looking forward to. Given how Houston’s defense has been playing lately, I find it very hard to pick against them; they have all the ingredients needed to make a deep run.
LOS ANGELES over Chicago – The Bears’ horseshoe run comes to an end against a team that is superior in basically every regard.
SEATTLE over San Francisco – The 49ers have a lot of grit to have made it this far, but the Seahawks earned that #1 seed and will reinforce just how much they deserved it with a win this weekend.
Setting up a conference championship round with:
Houston at Buffalo
Los Angeles at Seattle
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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.
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Comments (153)
TKWorldWide
January 15, 2026 at 07:16 am
Looks like the Giants just got Harbaugh.
LeotisHarris
January 15, 2026 at 08:32 am
Heard a blues riff in my head when I read that, TK. Next line in the lyrics could be "gonna sit down and cry."
TKWorldWide
January 15, 2026 at 08:58 am
Riff on, muchacho! 😊
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 12:40 pm
But is the sky crying?
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 02:38 pm
Even the man in the moon is Cryin'
Starrbrite
January 15, 2026 at 08:02 pm
I’m actually more interested in Stefanski than Harbaugh.
dobber
January 16, 2026 at 07:29 am
I agree.
Cheezehead72
January 15, 2026 at 07:27 am
I have come to the conclusion that I have no idea on what is happening at The Packer's Headquarters.
I have been on record saying that I would like to see the Packers hire a HC that will not call plays. I still like that idea but there is something I read that makes me question that philosophy. The problem with doing that is this is an offensive driven league. If you hire a very good OC that calls plays he will be hired by another team quickly and you will have to look for another. A HC that calls the offense will be around longer.
In my opinion MLF does not have the bandwidth to be a play calling HC. It appears he does not have the staff that will challenge him or he does not listen. MLF is stuck in his ways and resistant to change. That means that adjustments are not made. Yesterday there was an article about the culture of the team. The team takes on the culture of the coaches mainly the HC. If the HC is resistant to change and slow at adjusting how do you expect the players to do it.
As much as I would love to see how MLF would do as just a HC and forced to hire a good play calling OC and make many changes to his staff I have no faith he can do it. My feeling is that the Packers would have to hire a consultant to help him. The problem with that is now the team sees that Gute and Policy do not have faith in MLF so they will not have faith.
I believe this is the best opportunity for the Packers to make a change in the HC. I have looked at a list of possible HCs and I know one thing it is a tough decision. There are many coaches out there and most of them are boom or bust. Now that it appears Harbough is out of the picture I am leaning towards an unpopular candidate in GB.
I wonder what would happen if the Packers hired Mike McCarthy as a HC. Bring him in as a team manager. Tell him that we want him to bring together the three aspects of the game and hire a play calling OC and hopefully we retain Hafley as the DC. He knows the organization but would be a pair of fresh eyes to make the changes that are needed on the coaching staff.
jurp
January 15, 2026 at 07:51 am
I hear Lisle Blackburn is still available. :)
I think hiring McCarthy would result in more backlash than keeping LeFleur.
But seriously, my unpopular choice would be Robert Saleh. Like Belicheck with the Browns, he was saddled with an idiot, cheap owner and still had his teams playing hard. Our Defense would definitely improve, and he has connections throughout the league to build a staff.
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 07:56 am
I agree: if the Packers don't want to pay LaF with his warts, then a return visit from MM would be a pricey PR nightmare.
I actually really like Saleh as a choice. He flamed out in NY but somehow elevated a dead-from-the-neck-up roster with Zach Wilson as QB and a terrible GM to 7 wins his last two seasons and took a defense from almost dead last to top 10 those years. I think he'd be a really good choice, and has connections to a prolific offensive coaching tree. He was also a consultatnt to the Packers after he got canned in NY, so he has connex. He would definitely bring some edge to the team.
Will they be willing to pay him?
Will he take the job to replace one of his best friends after said friend was canned?
jannesbjornson
January 15, 2026 at 03:39 pm
I knew his grand-daughter, very attractive woman....
Razer
January 15, 2026 at 08:44 am
I was with you until you brought up McCarthy. Don't roll back the clock. Your main point about a HC and dedicated coordinators is spot on. I would add that we need some assistants who played the game to take the coaching from the text book to the field.
Rebelgb
January 15, 2026 at 09:03 am
Cheez did you say "Mike Mccarthy?" I mean dude, I am 75% to the point of hating MLF's face the way I hated Mccarthys face at the end. Its a bad place to be.
NO EFFING WAY should we bring that turd back.
Leatherhead
January 15, 2026 at 11:30 am
You realize McCarthy is going to the HOF?
Rebelgb
January 16, 2026 at 07:42 am
Ha ha no way in hell. You must be thinking of Mike Holmgren. He is going into HOF. One super bowl does NOT qualify you for the hall of fame automatically.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 12:43 pm
While I agree, neither are turds. Both are good coaches - for Cleveland someplace.
Cheezehead72
January 15, 2026 at 09:24 am
Just to be clear. I was just using MM as an example. I am not saying that they should but I brought it up to get some disagreeing thoughts. I know it would carry a negative view from most fans. It is also an out of the box idea and some of them do work.
GreenandBold
January 15, 2026 at 07:29 am
Is MLF worth 5 days ( and counting ) of negotiations ?
jurp
January 15, 2026 at 07:46 am
He's not worth five minutes of negotiations. Something simple like
EP: "We want you to clean out your office by the end of the day."
MLF: "Can I have until end of day tomorrow?"
*pause*
EP: "Sure, I guess we can let you have an extra day."
Razer
January 15, 2026 at 08:51 am
No. Either you had a plan going in or you are in the wrong position. Too often the Packers have paid for average because they didn't have options. Lafleur has shown you 7 years. Did he improve? Is the team getting better? What is the plan for success? These questions should have been asked and answered before we got to this point.
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 01:54 pm
" Either you had a plan going in or you are in the wrong position"!
I completely agree Razer, but at this moment its kinda' hard to decipher whether you're talking about LaFleur, Ed Policy, or both?
At present, it looks like the latter.
TKWorldWide
January 15, 2026 at 08:59 am
Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall?
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:03 pm
Truthfully, I'd rather be able to lose interest but so far I've been unable to :/
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 01:57 pm
Hell no, I'd rather have the fly swatter!
There's more than one fly in the room!
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:02 pm
This is a really bad way to conduct business. The practical angle of wasting time and allowing vacancies to not only fill, but others to make progress in their searches while we get left in the dust.
Separately, the intangible angle of how might it affect the locker room to bring a HC back after needing to haggle with him?
jurp
January 15, 2026 at 07:44 am
"It’s been five days since the Packers’ stunning loss to the Chicago Bears that capped an inexplicable second-half collapse, something that has become routine under the stewardship of Matt LaFleur."
That collapse wasn't inexplicable, it was entirely predictable based on the four previous games.
"LaFleur has made a lot of positive contributions in his time with the team and I do think he is a good coach who would quickly find work elsewhere..."
I'm too blinded by disgust to remember any positive contributions from LaFleur, but I do NOT think he's a good coach. When he called plays as an OC he failed, and he's at best mediocre as a Head Coach. I think he MIGHT be a good Quality Control Assistant, but then I'm biased.
"Sometimes the difficult choice in the short term is the right choice in the long term."
Firing LaFleur is the easy choice, not the difficult one.
"Extending may be easier said than done. LaFleur knows he could get a hell of a lot more money on the open market than what he’d get by staying in Green Bay,"
Which team, pray tell, would be willing to hire LaFleur? The Titans? The University of Wisconsin-Green Bay? Milwaukee South High School? If MLF thinks he can make more money elsewhere, I beg him to resign now and seek his fortune on the open market.
"...top head coaching candidate John Harbaugh is expected to command a salary in the neighborhood of $20 million. "
Harbaugh has won a Super Bowl. LaFleur with Rodgers couldn't make it to the Super Bowl, and without him cannot advance in the playoffs. If MLF thinks he's worth $20 million per year he's effing delusional.
LambeauPlain
January 15, 2026 at 07:49 am
I agree with you, Tim. Time for a change. Often a change of venue is beneficial for both parties.
The trend in Green Bay is not LaFleur's friend. Since 2021 his playoff record is 1-4. His late game collapses after holding a lead in the 4th quarter are becoming a brand.
Agree that "it is very hard to assemble a good assistant coaching staff" if the HC is playing on a one year deal.
Yet, with his tenure, has LaFleur hired good assistants over the last 7 seasons? Menninga, Drayton, Barry, Butkus, Stenovich as OC, few hires outside the organization, and his head scratching loyalty to substandard assistants is also LaFleur hallmark. Hiring is fun, firing is not. But a leader has to be able to do both decisively. Personnel management is not LaFleur's strength and "management by football committee" encourages LaFleur's status quo safe space.
Injuries happen to every team, but Policy needs to investigate the injury culture under LaFleur. During camp, in the preseason, and regular season, the Packers always have a crazy long injury list of starters with Out, DNP or Limited designations...so they don't practice together much on the weekly opponent game plan.
Starters practicing together to install game plans is a very dull edge for the Packers. Many starters don't practice all week but still start on game day. Word is the players enjoy the extra caution, days off the field, "veteran rest", etc. The "Players Coach" thing. LaFleur's teams have never been mistaken for being a "physical" team. The soft/finesse label often shows up late in (especially!) big games.
If LaFleur has been unable to reverse these constant and growing status quo problems over 7 years, what is Policy's confidence he will do it this offseason after a long extension?
It would be better if Ed decided to hire a real GM and let him manage the HC situation. I wonder how Policy evaluates the Murphy "management by committee" structure?
GreenandBold
January 15, 2026 at 08:52 am
So tired of the soft/finesse of the Packers teams . It’s been going on for a long time . Both lines on down the roster . I blame it on coaching but also the draft . We don’t draft physicality . Real football players who enjoy the brutality of the game . I enjoy watching it and I admire teams that impose their will on opponents.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:09 pm
Finesse in the passing game can work well with a physically dominant O line, but finesse combined with softness isn't a winning combination. Football doesn't mix with softness ...
dobber
January 16, 2026 at 07:26 am
I'd ask if 63 didn't look somewhat mentally checked out over the last couple weeks of the season.
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 02:48 pm
Ron Wolf said a number of times "I don't care about this, that, or his 4:48 40-time, this guy's a football player!
dobber
January 16, 2026 at 07:27 am
"I don't care about this, that, or his 4:48 40-time,"
If they were looking for prospects with 4:48 40-times, they really missed the boat on me.
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 08:59 am
"Yet, with his tenure, has LaFleur hired good assistants over the last 7 seasons? Menninga, Drayton, Barry, Butkus, Stenovich as OC, few hires outside the organization, and his head scratching loyalty to substandard assistants is also LaFleur hallmark."
Maybe, but most of us put stock in the point that we think the roster is good enough and the coaches are holding them back. Maybe that's not so much the case.
Aldo
January 15, 2026 at 09:30 am
I really think you're on to something as far as assistant coaches are concerned. We seem to experience regression instead of improvement in too many areas, especially line play on both sides of the ball. Certainly I would add special teams to that.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:12 pm
I wouldn't assert that this roster is so talented that there aren't any holes, but I don't think lack of talent accounts for the final 0-5. Neither do I think in game coaching would have been enough to overcome the problems in any case. That would have to go back to OTAs and all throughout the season.
Razer
January 15, 2026 at 09:02 am
...It would be better if Ed decided to hire a real GM and let him manage the HC situation. I wonder how Policy evaluates the Murphy "management by committee" structure?...
I like everything you said and you nailed the landing. I am not a fan of Gutekunst has handicapped this team on both line and at corner BUT I do think a GM needs to oversee the HC. Restore the structure to the Wolfe model and let people be accountable and the problems self evident. I would start with a new GM this year.
Rebelgb
January 15, 2026 at 09:31 am
You have summed up my feelings on the matter 100%.
Boneman
January 15, 2026 at 10:02 am
To get the injuries under control is a simple thing all the best coaches do. Don't practice...don't play. Period.
NFLfan
January 15, 2026 at 08:01 am
Policy had all year to have researched possible GMs and HC's and formulated a 'Plan B'. It was clear several months ago that MLF was going to take the fall. He has many 'issues' but Gute is no prize as a GM either-poor trench/CB roster construction, no vet depth, too many too many failed early round picks and more.
Policy should have had the spine to clear out the tainted Murphy residue, hire a real GM and let them hire a HC-pitiful
Razer
January 15, 2026 at 09:08 am
Well said! Right out of the gate it is a win because we can't help but draft better. We need a new architect who recognizes and values trench play AND knows a football player from a track athlete.
lou
January 15, 2026 at 10:06 am
Also well said, too many times with high draft picks the GM has relied on Relative Athletic Score rather than college production and has ASSUMED the player he chose could easily play a different position at the sports highest level i.e. believing he was smart enough to beat the system several times.
Alberta_Packer
January 15, 2026 at 11:35 am
May I recommend Alec Halaby - the highly regarded Assistant Eagles GM - who is reportedly interviewing for the Dolphins GM position.
13TimeChamps
January 15, 2026 at 12:14 pm
Jon-Eric Sullivan was hired as GM of the Dolphins last week.
Alberta_Packer
January 15, 2026 at 06:05 pm
Wow. I didn't hear/read anything about the hire. Too focused on Packers non-news. That's OK because I still would have picked Halaby over Sullivan.
lou
January 15, 2026 at 09:53 am
Excellent point in reference to having a Plan B, Policy knew well in advance he had to prepare for a possible change at both GM and Head Coach as indicated by his comments in reference to avoiding lame duck status. To not have a go to list of options for both positions could very well impact his tenure and legacy as the team President.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:15 pm
This failure SHOULD "impact his tenure and legacy as the team President."
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 04:01 pm
I'm trying to figure out why we think he DOESN'T have some names already in mind, besides the ranting of a particular poster who is continuing to pound a narrative of conspiracies.
All you can find out there is that he doesn't maintain a public list...and to make one public would be a potentially greater malpractice than having none at all.
T7Steve
January 15, 2026 at 08:02 am
Tim, could you translate your this or that for this old-timer? Haven't a clue.
Give MLF a this or that. Win in the playoffs or get a new job. Put your money where your mouth is and don't take pay for losses.
Hire an offensive line. Actually, two offensive lines since that's what's been needed to get through the last two seasons. Use all your remaining CAP space on the D-line and D-backfield.
Try retaining Diggs to keep Parsons happy. They're probably friends from their days in Jerry World (Packers used to do it for Rodgers. LOL).
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 08:18 am
Bill Huber had a fun thing on Twitter/X. He said congrats you were hired as the Packers president. What's your plan?
Fire LaFleur
Fire Gutey
Fire Both
Keep both/pray for health
The results are a bit surprising. There were 15,234 votes at this current time.
Fire LaFleur - 17%
Fire Gutey - 4%
Fire Both - 9%
Keep both / pray for health - 70%
As much as I have seen for fire LaFleur. I definitely thought this would be a lot closer to 50/50 at least.
pantz_bURp
January 15, 2026 at 08:58 am
Not sure RC, but need to vet out the votes from the Lions, Vikings and Bear's fans to get a more accurate reading of the poll.
And please, I hope the margin of error wasn't +/- 18.
Still staring at my Lil church on the corner with my Holiday binoculars at the smoke stack. Interesting note, two ravens were seen peering in last I checked.
Will keep yall updated,
PB
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 09:14 am
No way to know how many packers fans there are or not. I am guessing that the number is fairly low though.
Alberta_Packer
January 15, 2026 at 11:43 am
Survey should have been restricted to Packers stockholders and CHTV subscribers.
Lry
January 15, 2026 at 02:25 pm
Packer fans just content to “make the playoffs”…pretty sad
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 08:19 am
It's time to move on, yes.
At this point it does seem to be as much about money as anything, and as TGR pointed out the other day, a team owner can sell parts of his ownership to gain a huge bolus of cash to pay coaches and do other improvements. The more they pay him, the more likely they are to ask for even more considerable concessions. Coaches aren't capped like rosters are, and that money mostly comes from private pockets and outside sources. People bitch about Titletown, but it and its revenues are vital to the Packers' ability to compete.
The clock is ticking and Policy/Gute need to act decisively. As I mentioned above, I think Saleh would be a great HC choice, but there are issues in hiring him...I think Ray Rhodes was the last defensive HC in GB. I'd actually expect that the Packers will hire someone much greener and with a pedigree they covet on the offensive side of the ball.
NFLfan
January 15, 2026 at 08:24 am
Saleh is MLF's best friend-not happening-sheesh.
Guam
January 15, 2026 at 08:47 am
I wouldn't be quite so dismissive. Saleh could easily double his current income (around $7MM as DC of SF) as well as become a HC again. Do you really think LaFleur would think less of his friend for taking that opportunity? LaFleur would be a pretty lousy friend if he did.
BTW, not my down vote. It is not often I down vote a comment - I prefer to have a dialogue.
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 09:04 am
Yeah, I recognized her comment above over an hour ago but didn't want to repost.
Saleh wouldn't be blind to the warts in GB. Even if the job becomes available, I think Saleh will be competitive for other jobs--the only one nearly as good as GB might be Pittsburgh--and will bid his way out of the Packers' price range.
Guam
January 15, 2026 at 09:48 am
Whether it is retaining LaFleur or hiring a new coach, I sure wish GB would change their tune about their coaching pay scale. Saleh is making all most as much as the DC for SF as LaFleur is making as HC for GB. GB needs to change with the times or they won't be able to get a good head coach or coaching staff.
Justis M. had a really good article on APC about the Packer assistant coaches. Ouch!
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:20 pm
I'm curious about ROI on Titletown to date: has revenue actually exceeded investment? Then of course cash flow is a different calculation, allowing for financing.
Certainly Ed Policy needed to act decisively and failed his first test.
Snap the ball
January 15, 2026 at 08:23 am
All this because of special teams nightmares
Doubs in Chicago
Then Mc Miss. in Chicago
We put played them without Parsons Kraft Wyatt
Can’t catch a ball and missed 3 kicks. Two kicks I think he missed on purpose.
And extra point. Cost us from overtime. WELL THATS IF HE MAKES IT.
3rd qtr run the ball take time off the clock
Just like the Super Bowl vs Denver 2nd half didn’t run the ball. That cost that Super Bowl also.
Andy Reid still pissed at Holmgren on that one.
Mc Miss vs Eagles in playoffs last year.
Carlson would have made more from 40 yard line than him.
Do you think he had a beef with MLF and waited for the time for payback ?
You just kicked there a few weeks before
Oh well.
jurp
January 15, 2026 at 08:41 am
Hey Stockholder, nice to see you under two accounts now.
How do I know you're Stockholder? This gem: "Two kicks I think he missed on purpose."
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:22 pm
The same inanity.
Packerpasty
January 15, 2026 at 07:00 pm
I was thinking the same thing...two accounts one stockholder....coolio
Packers0808
January 15, 2026 at 08:27 am
Keep LaFluer, who out there is any better from a proven stance? Why hire someone as a NFL HC who already has failed as a head coach of another NFL franchise. Like replacing a bald tire on a car with another one. I firmly believe the collapse especially this year was due to so many injuries to so many players. I just read the other day 8 Starting or big time Packers missed a total of 61 games. And that is not counting guys like Love who missed two games. Would any HC do any better with that much devastation to their team? Not a popular stance but I really believe the proper one at this point in time. Give the man another 3 year deal and see where it goes.
Guam
January 15, 2026 at 08:39 am
So if you were running the Patriots, you wouldn't have hired Bill Belichick?
Not trying to be a smartass, but coaches sometimes fail due to dysfunctional organizations rather than personal failure. I don't know whether Saleh or Stefanski would be good choices but I certainly wouldn't rule them out just because they were fired by the Jets and Browns respectively. I have a hard time imagining even Lombardi succeeding in either of those screwed up organizations.
Packers0808
January 15, 2026 at 08:45 am
So you name one, what kind of luck has Belichek with winning in college. My point is you never know so why take a rerun if not needed. LaFluer has proven successful.
Guam
January 15, 2026 at 08:58 am
Okay. Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy, Tom Coughlin and Pete Carroll. All guys who were fired and then went on to win a Super Bowl. Mike Vrabel is a recent coach who hasn't won a SB yet but certainly has started strong with his new team.
That enough "retread" names for you?
Packers0808
January 15, 2026 at 09:01 am
Nope.
Guam
January 15, 2026 at 09:37 am
Then I am very glad you are not the GM of the Packers. You would pass up some potentially great coaching candidates due to your bias.
Brewcity_BearsFan
January 15, 2026 at 10:25 am
Wait, so because Belicheck had a losing season at UNC, it somehow proves coaches who get a second chance are a bad idea?
The man who is viewed as the modern Lombardi?
Seriously, if Jordon Hudson ever let him read the Internet, he would laugh at this take.
As pointed out before,
Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, all won at their second stop. Many coaches have said they learned from mistakes they made at their first stop. Hell La Fluer could join that list should he land in Atlanta, or Arizona, or whatever team that isn't the Jets.
jurp
January 15, 2026 at 08:42 am
"Why hire someone as a NFL HC who already has failed as a head coach of another NFL franchise"
Bill Belicheck has entered the thread...
Packers0808
January 15, 2026 at 08:48 am
Yes he has and now in college is 4-8, is that success? Everyone believes different and that is my take, each to their own.
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 09:07 am
Did anyone look at Belichick and say, "YES! He missed his calling by not going to the college game sooner!"
Who gives a #2 what he's doing in college.
Packers0808
January 15, 2026 at 09:13 am
I am sure he does or he would really be constipated.
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 12:16 pm
Boom! ;)
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 09:35 am
How did Belichick do after Brady left?
After Brady left NE. Belichick was there 4 years. They finished 7-9, 10-7, 8-9, 4-13.
Also Belicheck was there 1 year prior to Brady taking over. They were 5-11 that year.
Guam
January 15, 2026 at 09:43 am
RCPF: See my post above about other coaches who were fired and then went on to win Super Bowls with their new team. I used Belichick as an easy example of a fired coach who later had great success, but the list is not limited to him.
"Retreads" shouldn't be excluded from consideration just because they were fired elsewhere. Sometimes it is the organization, not the coach and sometimes it is the coach. Proper due diligence suggests you evaluate all candidates on a case by case basis.
I am not advocating for Saleh or Stefanski, but I also believe they shouldn't be summarily excluded from consideration either.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 09:54 am
Other coaches have done well. My question with that though, was how much of it was the coach vs the situation they landed in?
While we praise Belichick, how well did he do without Brady. He had 5 seasons that he coached without Brady. And in those 5 seasons he had 1 winning season. Don't get me wrong Belichick was a very good coach. But without a franchise QB leading the way, he didn't do very well.
I don't know about Stefanski, but I think Saleh would do well in the right situation. He was with the Jets who are a nightmare franchise.
Guam
January 15, 2026 at 10:25 am
Success is rarely due to the coach alone (Reid has Mahomes), but great talent can be undone by poor coaching too (Marino later in his career). It is a symbiotic relationship.
My point was less about Belichick than it was about coaches undone by bad organizations/poor talent. Both the Jets and the Browns are the poster children for how not to do an NFL franchise.
Joster11
January 15, 2026 at 12:05 pm
"Other coaches have done well. My question with that though, was how much of it was the coach vs the situation they landed in?"
How much of LaFleur's early success was due to the situation he inherited? Look how well he did with Rodgers at the helm vs. his record without him.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 01:27 pm
Lets not forget that back in 2019 when LaFleur was hired, a lot of people talked about how difficult it was to work with Rodgers. And how he wouldn't buy into his system and all those talking points.
But how quickly that narrative changed once they had success.
For sure it would have been different with Rodgers compared to lets say Love. Look how long it took for Love to start performing well.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:31 pm
JL10's first 3 seasons had stats eerily similar to AR12's, until the last 5 games. (Plus the couple he didn't play)
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:28 pm
The prototypical proof of the importance of HC / GM combining well. MLF and JL10 do not. JL10 developed well under MLF, but that might be due to MLF getting out of the way and letting the QB learn from AR12 and the QB coach.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 09:31 am
" I just read the other day 8 Starting or big time Packers missed a total of 61 games. And that is not counting guys like Love who missed two games"
When I have brought up the injuries I have usually gotten the same responses. "every team has injuries. We won a super bowl full of injuries."
But the difference with the injuries that we suffered, we didn't just lose a player. We lost the soul of our team players. The number of games missed and things like that are nice to see written down. But the true impact of specific players can't be calculated.
On Offense we lost Kraft. Kraft was that 1 guy on offense that could catch a ball short of the 1st down marker, plow through 3 guys and find a way to get the first down. He is the one guy that could ignite energy into the offense with his bully ball mentality. We lost that toughness and attitude.
On Defense we lost the 1 guy that every other team feared. How many times did we see 3 guys trying to block him? Every offensive game plan was to have 2 guys minimum on him and to know exactly where he is at every play.
Those 2 players aren't just guys on the team. They are heart and soul of the team players.
They weren't the only players missed either. But those 2 had the biggest negative impact on the team.
LambeauPlain
January 15, 2026 at 10:14 am
Your injury excuse does not explain how the Packers without the "stars" still managed to get solid leads only to collapse late in games.
This has not just been a problem for the 2025 season. It is almost a LaFleur brand, now. His early image of being the QB whisperer/offensive genius is being diluted by the big game collapses.
Packers0808
January 15, 2026 at 03:17 pm
So then how do you explain melt downs by other coaches in the second like for instance Harbaugh?
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:34 pm
Agreed, but even after accounting for that MLF adjusted incredibly poorly. Which has become his legacy in GB.
Packerpasty
January 15, 2026 at 09:51 am
weren't all those players missing in the first half of those games MLF has blown??? The half where they were in the lead?
Packers0808
January 15, 2026 at 03:19 pm
That is the whole point, if they didn't have those injuries players who were subbed more often in first half would still be fresher for the 2nd half and not be so tired because they would n be playing less snaps. That is just common sense!
Strat
January 15, 2026 at 12:52 pm
Again with the "Who out there..." garbage.
pantz_bURp
January 15, 2026 at 08:30 am
In today's NFL, it must be a challenge to get players to stay motivated for the team. To push through, if possible injuries to put in the mental and physical preparation (and not just a contract year).
Get young men who will listen to you where some make far more money than the coaches. Some players make business decisions like avoiding contact.
It isn't easy but coaches make a good living and get an opportunity to foster growth in others in a sport hopefully they like or maybe even love.
I can handle loses as long as learning is part of the benefit from a lose. I haven't seen the learning in several years now.
I am not so much disappointed in Coach LaF as I am realizing the fit may be lacking with what is currently the GBP's roster and coaches.
No more run it back, or last dance of the last dances. I have seen enough.
I dont know who would be a better fit as HC or assistants. But, please at least try for a course correction. No matter what, GPG!!!
*If team chemistry is the issue, someone...please place a call to Walter White.
Just win baby!,
Pantzy in the Park
Snap the ball
January 15, 2026 at 08:31 am
I would just like to say Matt. It’s ok if you win by 17 points plus …….over Andover
These other coaches are not your friends on game day.
Even Salah The others. Etc….
I like hearing daggers from Wayne Early and often
Winning isnt everything it’s the only thing.
3 goals next year
9-0 at home
Win NFcNorth
Super Bowl feb 14 2027 in LA
Maybe Nixon will play harder in playoffs knowing it’s in his hometown
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 02:08 pm
That all sounds great, except for Nixon still on the team!
LeotisHarris
January 15, 2026 at 08:35 am
It took 33 hours for the Conclave to elect Pope Leo. That's all I got.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 01:45 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmRVuB5exLM
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 05:25 pm
But did he agree to hire an OC to call plays?
Snap the ball
January 15, 2026 at 08:52 am
3 weeks
Two melt downs. To end the season
Let’s look at other meltdowns or barely wins to sub par teams
Actually melt down vs Carolina
Vs Cleveland
Vs giants
Vs cardinals
Vs Dallas
Rebelgb
January 15, 2026 at 09:40 am
Dont forget how bad the Ravens beat us.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 09:08 am
"I’ll be surprised if Jeff Hafley gets a head coaching job"
During the year I was at about 80/20 that Hafley would get a job. Currently I'm at probably 50/50. I thought for sure he would get one. But I do question, how the last game impacts it. His defense gave up 25 points in the 4th quarter of a playoff game. He will definitely have to answer how that happened in these interviews.
There are 9 openings. We pretty much know Harbaugh is taking the Giants job. That leaves 8. Of the 8 teams currently there are the Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Steelers, Titans.
What we know so far. We know that these teams have requested interviews with Hafley. Cardinals, Falcons, Raiders, Dolphins, Titans.
I would think Dolphins would be the highest chance for him. With Sullivan there. And I think Hafley would fit in there the best.
Lets pretend the Dolphins isn't a choice. If you are Hafley, of these other teams which team intrigues you the most? I'd say Titans with Cam Ward. Falcons with some good pieces.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 10:13 am
I just saw a thing on X, and its very interesting.
Packers defense gave up 422 points this season. 167 of those 422 points came in the 4th quarter or OT. That is essentially 40% of the points they gave up. That is a crazy number.
LambeauPlain
January 15, 2026 at 10:24 am
I am sure the statistics are available...I am kind of "NFL Analytics" challenged...but how many 3 and outs did the Offense have in those 4th quarters and OTs? How many plays did the D have to defend late vs plays defended in the first 3 quarters?
There were some D stinkers after Parson went down (Ravens game was as bad as the 2019 NFCCG vs Niners), but most late collapses were due to the defense being absolutely gassed and the offense disappearing or making crazy mistakes with penalties and turnovers.
My hypothesis is the D sucked late in most of those games because they were ground down as the O chocked and did little to stop the bleeding.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 10:40 am
I'm sure there are stuff available. I don't have the time to really look it up. i just saw that and found it interesting.
I know for example the Browns game. Love threw an interception and gave the ball to the Browns at the 4.
But with this, they gave up 25 points to the Bears in the 4th quarter. We can blame the offense and special teams and everything, but the truth is the defense didn't hold up either.
LambeauPlain
January 15, 2026 at 05:41 pm
Who knows? Except for the Ravens game, the defense mostly played well during the 5 game skid for 3 quarters.
I don't think it is a coincidence after the offense gave up too many 3 and outs, penalties and turnovers in 2nd halves of those games, the Defense tired and faltered. Its rough sledding when many key defensive subs are free agents and former practice squad players.
Brewcity_BearsFan
January 15, 2026 at 12:56 pm
I don't think Hafley gets a HC gig.
Injuries or no, the defensive performance the last month was pretty bad.
The first blown lead in Chicago (Hell the blown lead at Lambeau against Chicago)
Denver
Getting run over (literally) by Derrick Henry
Finally a 25 point fourth quarter by Chicago in a playoff game.
That is a hell of a stretch to take into HC interviews.
I know he is interviewing in Pittsburgh today, and they could be the one team that overlooks all that, given their (aging), talent on D.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 01:29 pm
I think it could go either way. But you are exactly right about how much the defense really struggled down the stretch.
Leatherhead
January 15, 2026 at 01:56 pm
It only takes one moron. Do you remember what happened to Defensive Coordinator Dan Quinn after the Packers destroyed his defense in the 2023 playoffs? He got hired as a HC.
I'm fine without him. At the end of the day, despite adding some real talent to the defense, he wasn't really an improvement on the guy before him.
Razer
January 15, 2026 at 09:28 am
Not a fan of Gutekunst nor Lafleur. Too many misses and too many mistakes over their tenures. Good enough for average but nothing higher. We need a new architect that can build an NFL tough roster that can close out later season games by pound the ball down your throat or collapse the pocket from the inside. I don't see either of these leaders on our staff.
It is a tough call for Ed Policy because he has to risk stepping away from average to chase excellence. The Packers are a successful business and he earns a great salary. Change is neither easy or clean. What do we have in Policy?
Rebelgb
January 15, 2026 at 09:42 am
Excellent post.
"....he has to risk stepping away from average to chase excellence...."
Well said and pretty much sums up the whole argument.
Leatherhead
January 15, 2026 at 01:57 pm
So making the playoffs every year, but not advancing, is the new "average"?
Rebelgb
January 16, 2026 at 07:40 am
How did you get that out of my post?
TheBigCat
January 15, 2026 at 09:49 am
Tim: I think contract extensions should happen when management sees improvement or the potential for improvement. I don't see either from MLF. It seems he has a good game plan to begin the game, but once the other team makes adjustments, he is challenged to counter those adjustments. More than once the cameras have shown MLF detached from the action on the field and sitting on the bench trying to find a correct call. He's the HC. His job is to provide leadership. The multiple on-field meltdowns are evidence the job is too big for him. I think they have two options for him: let him coach in 2026 w/ an "earn an extension clause" or let him walk. And if the second happens, don't hire some "retread/recently fired HC," but look for a very capable assistant somewhere. Like Seattle and Chicago did. And GB did w/ Holmgren.
Swisch
January 15, 2026 at 10:26 am
Good stuff TBC, IMHO.
There's no shame in being an excellent assistant coach, and not all of them are cut out to be a head coach. Actually, being an excellent assistant coach can be a wonderful career. We all have our roles in life, and we hope to find one that is challenging but not too much for us.
I tend to agree about not hiring a former head coach to replace our head coach. I'm glad if John Harbaugh is off the board. Get an up-and-coming assistant.
splitpea1
January 15, 2026 at 09:57 am
You're really going on the wild side with some of those playoff picks. A rested Denver team losing at home? Houston over New England? And I'm all on board with the hope of the Rams beating the Bears, but the Rams have historically had a tough time in inclement weather. If it snows, the Rams will need to update their history because they haven't won such conditions since 1968 (against the Vikings).
Swisch
January 15, 2026 at 10:03 am
The idea of not only keeping LaFleur, but of giving him a huge contract going forward, is too much to bear (so to speak).
He's had seven years, with some good and some bad. It hasn't been enough, though. It's time to move on.
Let's get a new head coach and give him at least two years to work with Love and Parsons and the rest of our promising young team.
At that time, we hope to be contending for a Super Bowl (or let's hope not, perhaps we're at the point of making some big changes with key players).
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 10:10 am
Who do you want?
Swisch
January 15, 2026 at 10:19 am
I don't know who are the up-and-coming assistants.
It seems reasonable to think that there are some out there.
I'd tend to prefer an expert on offense to one on defense, but perhaps that's not as important as I think it is. It does seem offense is the key in the NFL of today.
I'd be glad to hear about some of the candidates that other fans would consider to be worthy possibilities to lead the Packers.
It seems that keeping LaFleur is just not an option, and even more so when to keep him means a huge new contract.
It seems that Packers fans didn't know much about Lombardi or Holmgren when they came to the Packers. Let's try for another good one at head coach.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 10:42 am
There seems to always be up and coming guys.
Whether they pan out or not, who knows. Its basically a coin flip.
I am with you on preferring offensive minded coaches.
Joster11
January 15, 2026 at 12:11 pm
I would love it if we could trade LaFleur in order to recoup a draft pick.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 01:30 pm
What round of draft pick do you think we could get?
Joster11
January 15, 2026 at 04:39 pm
I don’t know. We got a second round pick from Seattle when Holmgren went there; however, he had gone to two SuperBowls with GB, winning one of course. We certainly wouldn’t get what the Broncos gave to the Saints for Payton. It’s wishful thinking on my part I guess.
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 02:17 pm
Swisch,
Where do you expect they could find a HC that would accept a 2-year deal?
Swisch
January 15, 2026 at 04:26 pm
I was thinking a three- or four-year deal, but that in a worst-case scenario we could fire the coach in two years without too much of a loss.
packerbackerjim
January 15, 2026 at 10:15 am
By this point in the negotiations one would think both sides are reaching out to see what is out there and then evaluating the current position.
Since'61
January 15, 2026 at 10:20 am
The fact that it is taking so long to finalize an extension with MLF is a microcosm of how the Packer organization works. No sense of urgency at any level over any issue. This is why the same mistakes are made on the field and why holes in position groups go unaddressed for multiple seasons. The result is no sense of urgency on the field and it is obvious when you watch the games.
The bottom line here is that it is time to move on from Gute and MLF and actually hire a GM and an HC who actually have a sense of urgency. Enough said.
Thanks, Since '61
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 01:31 pm
Maybe this isn't just about the HC. Maybe there are other things at play also? Restructuring of the organization or something else?
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 02:33 pm
RC,
Policy has had 6 months to plan for this after not extending Gutey and MLF last summer, he should have had his shit together!
Since'61
January 15, 2026 at 04:17 pm
RC I hope that there are other things at play because the football side of the Packers organization needs major changes in structure, philosophy, accountability, drafting, coaching, leadership, aggressiveness, execution, etc..
Thanks, Since '61
Swisch
January 15, 2026 at 10:34 am
One idea is to fire LaFleur and keep Gute.
Then, we can see if a new head coach can get more out of our current roster -- which does seem to have a lot of talent.
We'll see how a Van Ness or a Morgan might progress next season.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 10:58 am
What if a new coach can't do more with the current roster? What if its more of a talent issue then it is a coaching issue?
Maybe these current coaches are getting the most out of the talent they have?
PearlyBakerBest
January 15, 2026 at 11:55 am
False starts, illegal formation, too many men on the field/in the huddle, delay of game (out of a time out ffs). Game in/game out. Year in/ year out. Doesn’t lend itself to a talent issue, IMO.
Joster11
January 15, 2026 at 12:15 pm
This is true. However, I do agree with RC about talent. There have been many whiffs in the first round due to Gute's obstinance in drafting athletes instead of football players.
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 01:17 pm
I'd argue his 3rd round has been way worse then 1st round. 3rd round is a very important round. Since becoming the GM these are Gutey's 3rd round picks.
Oren Burks, Jace Sterberger, Josiah Deguara, Amari Rodgers, Seah Rhyan, Tucker Kraft, Marshawn Lloyd, Ty'Ron Hopper, Savion Williams.
It is tough when you look at who they could have had at those picks. There will always be misses, but these couple are some of the worst ones.
2019 - Instead of Sternberger, the very next pick was Terry McLaurin. They needed WR at the time.
2021 - Instead of Rodgers they could have had Nico Collins. They still needed WR at the time and Collins was a perfect Packers WR.
Joster11
January 15, 2026 at 06:07 pm
Totally forgot about these winners…thanks for the painful reminder
RCPackerFan
January 15, 2026 at 01:18 pm
Every team has those.
To me those types of things are more about the youth of the team then anything else. They have been the youngest team in the league 3/4 years in a row? I'm not saying they need to be the oldest, but young and inexperienced players tend to cause more penalties.
barutanseijin
January 15, 2026 at 05:33 pm
After three years, Van Ness is what he is.
LambeauPlain
January 15, 2026 at 10:36 am
I don't know much about Policy as he has been mostly buried in the Administration, Finance, and Legal issues of the Corporation. He's doesn't seek the limelight the way Murphy did. Murphy clearly enjoyed the day to day on field football operations as acting GM and Chairman of the Football Committee.
Policy has been very quiet since he took over from Murphy in July. He kept Murphy's structure in place for the last 6 months and I believed he did so to watch, listen, and evaluate.
If he make the decision on LaFleur before Gutey, it is not a good omen for the GM of Player Personnel. Or maybe he has told LaFleur Gutey is going to be the GM of the team aka Wolf and Ted....and LaFleur is resisting.
NFLfan
January 15, 2026 at 11:22 am
Policy has had 13 years to watch, listen and evaluate.
This isn't rocket science.
JohnnyLogan
January 15, 2026 at 06:42 pm
Not even rocket surgery
J-Rome
January 15, 2026 at 10:55 am
Based on the article you mentioned and a second similar article by JM, one thing is certain. Whether the Packers move on or retain LaFleur, they have to be willing to open the check book to hire QUALIFIED assistant coaches. The collapses we've seen started happening before LaFleur. I think internally hiring low cost/ low experience assistants on a draft and develop team is a major problem. People blame LaFleur for sticking with coaches, but it sounds like a lot of it is the organization not wanting to pay buyouts. Our linebackers and O line clearly took a step back this year. I'm in agreement that LaFleur doesn't have the bandwidth to juggle everything, but, if you have to also make up for poor coaches on your staff that were hired or retained for frugality's sake, that's just adds to the juggling and this team will never reach its full potential if every year they have one to two cheap coaches who can't cut it.
JohnnyLogan
January 15, 2026 at 11:12 am
Vince Lombardi arrived in Green Bay having never been a head coach. His response was not caution—it was domination. He demanded total control and imposed it immediately. The footage is everywhere: Lombardi barking blocking assignments, seal here, seal here, hit the alley; standing on blocking sleds as linemen exploded forward; screaming at defenders on the sideline, grab, grab, grab, what the hell is going on out there! Different era, brutal practices—but the result was unmistakable: hard, ruthless teams that reflected their coach.
Now consider LaFleur.
“I love the guys in this locker room.”
“I have to be better.”
Head down, staring at a play sheet while the defense is being carved up.
It’s baffling that a re-hire is even being discussed. Toughness still matters in the NFL—mental, situational, competitive toughness. And no honest observer would describe LaFleur as tough.
I’ve also come to believe—and I realize this may be below the belt—that he’s simply not that bright, or at the very least not a quick thinker. It shows late in games, when the script is gone and a coach has to operate on instinct. This is where great coaches read the other sideline, anticipate, adjust, and counter. This is where LaFleur freezes.
Patton famously said the goal of war isn’t to die for your country—it’s to make the other bastard die for his. Lombardi understood that. LaFleur, by contrast, seems wired very differently. Woody Allen once said, “I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying.”
Allen made a career out of being the loser in the room—the anxious man who survives by explaining defeat. LaFleur has somehow brought that same sensibility to the NFL sideline.
That’s clever in a movie.
It’s fatal in a head coach.
Time to move on
NFLfan
January 15, 2026 at 11:20 am
Agree-MLF can game-plan but he does not seem to have the aptitude to address his opponent once the play sheet no longer serves.
I don't think the Packers care about that, unfortunately
Swisch
January 15, 2026 at 04:45 pm
People are smart in different ways, and the key is to find a good fit for each of us.
I would guess that there are a lot of highly intelligent people who are not all that good at thinking quickly on their feet in the heat of the moment.
Someone might know most of the answers on Jeopardy (which are phrased as questions), but might not be able to answer as quickly as the other contestants.
Someone might be a great legal mind, but not be adept at examining witnesses when they give unexpected answers that require an attorney to adjust his line of questioning on the fly.
There's a place for everyone, and we hope for everyone to be in a place that is suitable to talent and temperament.
I've come around to the idea that seven years is enough to evaluate LaFleur for his ability to make adjustments during a game. He seems terrible at it.
Regardless, he can still go on to have a highly successful and satisfying life -- just not as the head coach for the Packers.
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Also, to address another point in the fine comment by JohnnyLogan, it would be welcome to find a coach who has at least a little bit of an edge, a good measure of genuine toughness to impart to the players.
Maybe Jim Leonhard -- especially if we can find the right offensive coordinator to complement his expertise on defense.
NFLfan
January 15, 2026 at 11:17 am
This delay is making the Packers look amateurish
Alberta_Packer
January 15, 2026 at 12:07 pm
I feel like a sailor sitting in the doldrums - stuck there for days or weeks - with limp sails.
NFLfan
January 15, 2026 at 12:33 pm
Hafley will likely get offers but teams (who seem interested) other than the Giants, don't have QB's or are terminally bad--Cardinals, Raiders...Dolphins may be interesting
Tough position for him.
splitpea1
January 15, 2026 at 12:56 pm
Hafley has reportedly interviewed with Steelers and Falcons. The Falcons have Penix, a very talented QB, but he'll need to be developed (and quickly because he's older).
NFLfan
January 15, 2026 at 01:15 pm
I didn't hear about the Steelers
splitpea1
January 15, 2026 at 01:37 pm
They'll need to bite the bullet a draft and QB; gotta get out of their backyard and do better than Pickett this time.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 15, 2026 at 12:38 pm
Mr Backes,
responding directly to your article, as most conversation has drifted away from that:
"teams are extremely hesitant to allow coaches to operate on a single-year deal. There are a variety of reasons for this, one of the biggest of which being that it is very hard to assemble a good assistant coaching staff if candidates are worried that the head coach might not be around much longer."
This has GB in a horrible spot. First of all, the time wasted without resolution. Second, GB's too cheap to pay assistant coaches anyway, so this really isn't a concern. It's fascinating to me that MLF has not lost the locker room, but will players really be unaffected by the FO so obviously haggling instead of just signing him?
I don't share the opinion that Hafley proved he's no good. He adjusted how he used players after Micah's injury much quicker than MLF after the loss of #85. Our defense continued to play well until our offense couldn't stay on the field and got gassed late in games. Rashan Gary's apparent lack of effort was a standout mystery.
Moving on from the angst, why does anybody want to ride a quad imported from Belgium? Lol
dobber
January 15, 2026 at 05:55 pm
"This has GB in a horrible spot. First of all, the time wasted without resolution."
I'm less concerned about this. Maybe Harbaugh is gone, but I suspect that the interviewing/hiring will drag out for a couple weeks. Many coveted assistants aren't even interviewing, yet. I don't think the Packers will be willing to pay out the nose for some of the names out there.
"I don't share the opinion that Hafley proved he's no good."
I agree in that I think the audition process for a HC usually includes performance as a coordinator, but the qualifications for a HC aren't necessarily indicated by success as a coordinator. Will Hafley want to call the defense? As someone who earned a job at a power college program, Hafley is likely to interview very well. People here seem to want to give him credit for changing the culture in GB.
Houndog
January 15, 2026 at 02:23 pm
Embarrassed by the Bears twice in a few weeks, five phucking days of negotiations, and the only thing we've learned thus far is that Ed Policy couldn't carry Bob Harlan's jock strap!
TOMMY'63
January 15, 2026 at 05:56 pm
Why is John harbaugh such in demand? He coached the ravens for 18-19 years? One sb appearances, one victory! The great coaches win championships! His brother is much more talented! Lafleur? I've always stated he's an oc at best,he doesn't have quality assistant coaches, maybe fo? He can't fix the problem with his undisciplined players, always one of the most penalised teams,gets outcoached by all of the better coaches,his play calling? A great creative mind, I've never seen it. So if the Flower leaves, can gb find the hc to win? Or keep 18- 19 years like baltimore did with harbaugh? The Flower shall never bring gb to a sb,never! Who is capable, gute ? Getting extensions? He ain't that good either!
jboss
January 15, 2026 at 06:03 pm
There are nine head coaching openings, which is certainly a large number, second in recent memory only to the 10 in 2022 (eight of those 10 hirees have since been fired, by the way).
And you want to roll the dice?