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View From The Press Box - TURKEY COMA EDITION

Happy early Thanksgiving folks! I said last week that  was going to talk about the positive teams in this column, but I didn't realize it was Thanksgiving week. I ended up with a huge amount of work in half the usual time and even less sleep.

Unfortunately that means no Hard Count this week. I know, I know. You're all crushed. I'll make it up to you next week.

Anyway, A few things occurred this week that I thought deserved attention so we'll push that back for next column and focus on them this week.

The Curious Case Of Kyle Orton

So uh, yeah. That only took about three months longer than it should have.

In case you have no idea what I am talking about, Kyle Orton was cut by the Broncos on Tuesday. So let me start by applauding the Broncos whose shrewd play of the Orton trade attempts have led to getting—say it with me folks—absolutely nothing. I mean, if you were this dead set on dumping him, you could have found someone to ship you a box of Five Guys Burgers for him at the trade deadline, right?

Of course, speculation is that Orton and his people asked for the release because of all the quarterback injuries around he league. I can buy that. Really, Orton can't be happy about being replaced by Tebow. What competitor would be? Nobody likes losing their gig.

Orton wants to start, to audition for a full time job in 2012. Can't do that from the bench and once Tebow was in there was no going back.

You've heard Nagler and I talk about Orton and how he's fine between the 20s but in the red zone he can't cut it. I can guess most teams will agree but someone will take a chance on him.

Is it ridiculous to think the Colts might give him the rest of the season? I keep getting told they want Luck but no team sets out to lose.

The Bears get a lot of play but Martz's offense is a foreign language to Orton and would take a long time to get up to speed. The Texans aren't interested.  Kansas City is a wreck. It would be ironically delicious if Miami took him but Moore has been playing all right.

It will be interesting to see where Orton lands. Again, I can't help but think this all should have been dealt with before Week One. What a mess this has been and how badly has the front office handled it?

I do think both Tebow and Orton have handled this well at least publicly. It could have been much worse.

At least I am on pace to collect dinner from Nagler for a Broncos 8-8 season.

Jake Plummer Wants Tebow to Just Shut Up and Play

Speaking of Tebow, apparently ex-Bronco Jake Plummer is a little worn out by all the God talk from Tebow during post-game interviews. He'd like him to talk football and leave his religion out of it. Plummer thinks Tebow is a winner but just would like him more if he cut down on his proselytizing.

I can now retire having used proselytizing in a sentence on CHTV.

I thought Tebow's response was fair enough and nothing I didn't expect. He loves God. He loves Jesus. He's happy about both. He'll talk about it because he's happy. Pretty standard stuff for ANY fervent believer in anything.

It doesn't bother me. I mean, I've heard athletes praise God after wins my whole life. This is nothing new and it doesn't bother me. It probably helps that he comes off as incredibly likable.

Do I think it's silly when a player implies God or Allah or Buddha was behind him and supporting his win? Sure. Almost as silly as blaming God for losses.

Right Steve Johnson?

The implication that God chooses sides in something as trivial as a football game when there is genocide in Rawanda seems...let's just say 'not well thought out' and leave it there.

However, it always seems to me that Tebow's approach is to thank God for giving him life. For giving him a physical form which allows him to do what he loves. For giving him a great team around him—because Tebow does that as well.

To me, that's much better than 'Thanks God for helping me win' or the bevy of inane and worthless blather about giving it 100% and constant chest bumping so many players do post-game.

I thing some of this is because of the actions of the religious right in this country who are mostly evangelicals and have spent a fair amount of time trying to wedge the rest of us into their morals and way of thinking.

From that vantage point, yeah I get Tebow annoying folks with it.

Again, it doesn't bother me. When it does, I'll tune it out. It remains to be seen how long he'll have this platform anyway.

Drunk Fans 2, Rex Ryan 0

I'm sure you've also heard about Ryan's profane rebuke to a fan who was informing him that Bill Belichick aka The Hoodie aka Hobo Prime was a better coach and the subsequent fine.

First off, as much as I am a Rex fan and love what he does, he needs to behave better. Idiot fans say idiot things and in this case, it wasn't even that idiotic, rude or foul. As Rex himself admitted, he represents the league and the Jets. He needs to be above this stuff.

I get it. I'm a passionate fella and I have a slight temper. I feel ya Rex. You can't give in.

I want to touch on fans though. Is it me or are fans in many stadiums getting bolder and mouthier? Maybe it's just that the stands have stepped closer, so the fans are within reach of players and staff. Maybe the alcohol intake has increased, maybe it the money spent on a ticket which is fueling a sense of entitlement—I pay $150 for a ticket, I'll say what I damned well want.

Whatever the reason, it seems to me to have gotten worse. I take my older son to a game just about every year and we've been to multiple stadiums. The language, sentiment and general environment gets worse every time.

I hear new versions of filth which is stunning in both it's venom and it's originality.

Where is fan accountability? Where is acting like you're older than your shoe size?

Where is the class from the fans?

It's one thing to mock Ryan for being a worse coach than Hoodie (but honestly a better dresser).

It's another to shout some of the things we hear in the stands and that we know players hear at field level.

At some point, the NFL should look at fan behavior as well as NFL behavior.


Ok, that's not likely to make much sense so let me explain. As I have alluded to in this column before, this was my older son's first year playing tackle football. He decided to do it last minute and we had to scramble hard to find a team in our area, finally coming across the Queens Falcons.

It was a great season, culminating in his JR Pee Wee team making the New York City Youth Football League Championships for the first time in their 53 year history. They played hard and came up a little bit short, losing 20-14.

We were all proud of the boys and what they accomplished as well as how hard they worked. They played with class and respect and never gave up.

What really struck home for me during the season was something I think we, as adults and NFL fans can forget and lose focus on.

This is a game. It's pretty damned fun.

All the rah-rah and all the excitement, the ups and downs, the wins and losses, all the money and it's still just a game kids play.

As much a part of the season was about building a team and a family—a group of people with one goal but many approaches. The goal was winning 'the 'ship' as we called it, but it was also building a family.

Since there's a Turkey Bowl touch football game tomorrow, I'm going to say we did it.

It's funny because it parallels my time here so far at CHTV. I'm not a Packers fan, but I do feel part of the CHTV family.

I'm very thankful to have found both groups this year.


Packer Fans will appreciate this picture.

My guest 'Thanks-giving' on Dan Levy's annual 'What We Are Thankful For' episode of his new podcast. Lots of great folks on the list. Enjoy!

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CSS's picture

I'm not remotely annoyed with Tebow or his open expressions related to his faith. I'm annoyed that the producer of every broadcasted game has no fewer than 3-4 cameras on standby to pan and focus every time the guy looks like he might genuflect.

There's a lot of storylines/angles to follow related to the kid and his early success, browbeating the viewer with this storyline is all on the network.

andrewgarda's picture

I agree. I think they know it's divisive and it pulls in viewers. I mean, he has some responsibility, but Tebow is just being himself.

Can't fault him for that. Bad throwing motion, yes.

PackersRS's picture

Those "Broncos fans" comments to John Elway remind me so much of another similar "fans" of a certain franchise...

When people get delusional to that point, it's better to just nod and move along...

Also, Nacho... I really don't get it. It's not just his stats during the playoffs that are very good, he plays really well, make great throws, but most importantly he makes great decisions. And it's not like he's facing easy defenses. But during the regular season, he just can't recognize defensive formations and ends up pressing throws...

At USC he didn't have to do much reading (a reason why Leinart failed so hard and why I think Barkley will also fail), but it's his 3rd year in the same system, he should know his offense and he should be starting to have a better feel for what defenses are doing by now.

I understand the change of receivers and lack of chemistry, but he still has 2 of his favorite targets, and misreading defenses doesn't have anything to do with chemistry...

In this day and age, you can't only be effective when working the playaction passes...

andrewgarda's picture

I didn't even get into the Elway/Tebow stuff in regards to Orton and I meant to. I really have to wonder, given the timing of it, if it was in part to calm the Tebow fanatics (not the realists, the crazy folk calling for Elway's head - I mean sure he's only the whole reason you have Super Bowl wins).

Re: Nacho - I'm going to look real hard at Barkley's reads now that you said that. Leinart was just lazy. that's really his issue. Sanchez is a hard worker - I just don't know what is going on with his vision of the field. I don't know how you fix that at this point.

Sanchez, as you said, does a lot right. If he can overcome the penchant to throw to the other team he could be good. Just don't know if he can.

Evan's picture

Why aren't the Texans interested in Orton?

andrewgarda's picture

Believe it or not, they are confident in Leinart. Crazy, huh?

Also, the offense they run is different enough to where it would take Orton a while to get up to speed whereas Leinart has been in the scheme for two years.

Evan's picture

That is nuts. At the very least he gives them some insurance if/when Leinart falls apart. He's certainly a better option than TJ Yates

I've read similar things about Martz's offense, that it's so complicated that it would take Orton a while to get comfortable, if he were to land there.

Evan's picture

But I do wonder if I'm worrying too much about the possibility of Orton ending up in Chicago.

Beep's picture

Regarding Tebow and the religion thing...I'm not sure who gets credit for this first putting this on the internet, but its pretty clever:
Religion is like a penis. Its fine to have one and its fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around...and please don't try to shove it down my throat.

packeraaron's picture

You had me at "Religion is like a penis"

andrewgarda's picture

Be honest - he had you at 'penis'

joshywoshybigfatposhy's picture

yeah, i've always been very hesitant to embrace anyone's religion but my own.

PackersRS's picture

One might say that religion is a hairy issue.

Thank you, thank you, I'm here all day! (almost literally...)
/shows self out

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