The Calm Before the Storm

As of the time of my writing this (Wednesday, March 1) there are exactly two weeks to go until the league new year and free agency begins, with the "legal tampering" window opening two days before that.

There's not a whole lot of Packer news to cover at the moment, because we won't really see any transactions until that time. 

But of course, the entire Packer fandom and the NFL world at large are waiting to see what happens with Aaron Charles Rodgers, who is likely days away from making some sort of announcement about his future. It would be quite surprising to this observer if Rodgers would carry his decision making process over into the NFL new year; he has too much respect for the business and franchise to hold the team hostage in such a way, and whether he makes the decision in January or in early March really makes no difference logistically.

This isn't going to be yet another article full of speculation about what may or may not happen with Rodgers, bur rather just a quick note to remark on just how many dominos may fall depending on Rodgers' decision. in some ways, Rodgers' fate with Green Bay could influence some major decisions made by other franchises.

First, consider the various quarterback-needy franchises out there that would love to get their hands on Rodgers. Rodgers has most frequently been tied to would-be suitors such as the Las Vegas Raiders and New York Jets, but there are other teams that could find themselves actively searching for a quarterback as well, especially if Rodgers truly becomes available via trade (consider the New England Patriots or Indianapolis Colts, for example). 

Over the last several days, we've seen the Raiders' castoff quarterback, Derek Carr, start making the rounds with some teams. It was announced he would be in Indianapolis over the combine to meet with representatives from several teams while he was there. 

At the moment, Carr would rank as easily the most attractive quarterback who is guaranteed to be available. But if Rodgers becomes available, as he may very well do, that would almost certainly impact Carr's value and suitors. So while Carr is conducting these visits, he has to know he's going to be playing second fiddle to Rodgers, and that many of these teams are going to want to wait and see whether the Packers truly end up deciding to trade the future hall of famer.

If the Packers would trade Rodgers to a team other than the Raiders, that ends up being one less potential landing spot for Carr, and there could end up being a larger dollar race to go after him between the remaining qb-needy teams. Then, of course, there are other quarterbacks' fates who could be affected, likely most notably that of Jimmy Garoppolo, who will almost certainly not be back in San Francisco.

There is also the issue of Rodgers' contract and its potential influence on additional team spending. Teams may be attempting to stash cap space to make a run at Rodgers, which will dramatically affect their ability to bring in other free agents. if Rodgers' decision comes later than expected, teams that hope to have a shot at him may be slow to go after other big-name free agents in the early days of free agency. This could result in some organizations missing out on both Rodgers and other top-end names in the early part of the league new year.

As Packer fans, we have understandably been focused on how the Packers' and Rodgers' decisions will impact the future of the green and gold. But what's going to be equally fascinating is how Rodgers' fate influences the movement of cash, picks and players around the league on other teams as well.

So enjoy the remaining calm, because the storm is coming.

 

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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.

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NickPerry's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:10 am

"So enjoy the remaining calm, because the storm is coming."

Really? God I hope so Tim, I really, really hope so. Matter of fact I'm SO ready for the storm I can hardly think of anything else when it comes to the Packers. Then again, that's EXACTLY what Rodgers wants. He's in control.

Well this is one very, VERY, loyal Packers fan who hopes the storm brings hail, sleet, rain, and snow! BRING IT ON! I'm tired of the shows in-between the storms.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:55 pm

All work and no play makes Rebecca a dull girl.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:10 pm

Storms bring renewal. I'm with you!

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ImaPayne's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:04 pm

YOur right the sht will hit the fan sooner rather then later but for the pack fans, its going to be a very long shit storm. You will be very angry at gutt lefleur and murphy in the coming losing years.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:43 am

I run outside during Tornado Warnings. Just sayin’…

“Aaron Rodgers is done with the Packers, and the Packers are done with Aaron Rodgers. And, that’s OK.

They are both ready to go their separate ways.”
— Dan Orlovsky, ESPN

For context, that was Orlovsky’s take this morning on AR’s podcast comments yesterday, coupled with those made recently by Gutekunst.

On a more personal note, not sure why, but I keep reading that headline:

“The Storm Before the Calm.”

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:42 am

"""“Aaron Rodgers is done with the Packers, and the Packers are done with Aaron Rodgers. And, that’s OK.

They are both ready to go their separate ways.”
— Dan Orlovsky, ESPN

Did Orlovsky really say that? Because yesterday, I said the same thing and Princess Nitwit took time out of her day to tinkle on me for saying it. Because she's not obsessed with me. 100 people saying something, and I'm the one she'll address.....because she's not obsessed with me.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:51 am

Yes. Word for word.

I saw that too... LOL. She's on permanent ignore, again.

Have a great day, Bubs!

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:02 pm

This may come as a shock to you, so you might want to take a deep breath before reading this....you've been warned!

Not everyone who visits this site is on here from the time they get up in the morning to when they go to bed at night. Not everyone's world revolves around the Green Bay Packers.

But I thought it was really cute how you and your mentor "Bubs" got on here at almost the same time this morning. Do you guys send up bat signals in the sky so you'll know when each other has logged on?

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:12 pm

Well, if it isn't Bubs, the resident know it all and his goofy sidekick. Hey...if Dan Orlovsky said it...I guess it must be true. But then again, if I was bored and had nothing better to do, I'm sure I could find any number of talking heads saying the exact opposite.

I would have thought both you and your little buddy below would be a little hesitant making predictions after flaming out the last 2 years. Going for the hat trick I guess.

I hope you don't mind my using his nickname for you. I should have asked first I guess. There might be something really personal behind it.

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March 02, 2023 at 03:26 pm

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greengold's picture

March 03, 2023 at 03:39 am

Princess Nitwit’s gnat enters the chat.

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:41 pm

#12

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:42 pm

#10

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:36 am

"I run outside during Tornado Warnings."

Hey GG, you made me remember a time decades ago when I was a kid living in Wisconsin during those very "Tornado Warnings" and we were in the basement. My dad said I'm going to look outside and I went with him and then we hear this loud sound which was a tornado going overhead which had not touched the ground. As a dumb little kid I said "what is an airplane doing flying in this terrible weather". Thanks for the memory refresh and nice post by the way.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:43 am

LOL!

That is fantastic, Ferrari! Yeah, ever since I was a kid, I'd be the one running outside to see all the colors, and look for the tornado. I've seen a couple in my time. When they are right on top of you, very close, it is one hell of a rush.

A jet plane flying overhead is pretty damn close, too. I mean, right overhead. Supercool!

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:07 pm

I sheltered in place in a bar during a tornado that tore through Eau Claire in 1980. $1 Heineken night, in kind of a basement bar. The lights went out, the emergency generator kicked on, and I kept drinking beer.

When it came time to leave, I became aware that there was a problem: Trees were down all over the place, blocking the roads, so I had to stumble about two miles back to my place.

It took 5 freakin' days to get the power back on. The air was full of the stench of rotted meat.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:20 pm

"Tornado Watch" was a big time party up there in the 70s.

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:42 pm

#12

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T7Steve's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:44 am

Whatever happens, happens. When this happened with Favre (over and over), I was worried about his replacement. I hadn't seen enough of Rodgers to be confident.

It's amazing that (except for the cap hit), I'm more worried about other aspects of the team than QB. I hope I've been fooled and that they're actually headed in the right direction.

Will the real coaches please stand up? Does the GM have a plan for every contingency? If he does, will he be allowed to execute his plans the way he wants to?

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stockholder's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:49 am

I see No storm.
Just plenty of clouds.
I see people laughing at the packers.
Laughing at why Jordan Love was drafted.
Laughing at a FO; that didn't know their personal.
Laughing at waiting.
Laughing at never giving a MVP weapons.
Laughing at the can down the road.
And knowing that when Jordan Love becomes
The starter.
Doomsday is just a decision away.
People the packers are ready to sell.
The solution: because of a bad GM.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:29 am

Holy drama queen! The world didn't end when Favre left, and it will keep on spinning when Rodgers hits the road. Were you this dramatic when Rodgers took over for Favre?

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croatpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:41 am

He was bitching why Packers traded Favre...

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Packerpasty's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:49 am

haha, thats calling the kettle black, as if he's the only drama queen on this site...what the hell, can't you read or are you just selective in your smarminess....bunch or drama queens run the whole cult of hate site in case you haven't noticed....wake up smell the beer..

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:34 pm

Don't like it here? Then slither over to Acme Packing Company.

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stockholder's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:41 pm

They came from there!

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:13 pm

and the GiFs.

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Packerpasty's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:20 pm

FU pard...shit for brains..ill be at the Pro shop tomorrow buying something for my nephews birthday lets meet up and discuss it right out by the statue of Lombardi...ill buy ya a beer after..

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:40 am

I think most of the laughing is due to giving an aging QB an organization-confining contract as the Packers did last year...another left turn in what seemed to be a well-defined exit strategy.

To write in stockholder-ese:
Ready for resolution.
At peace either way.
Because I'm a fan.
Observing the irony and hypocrisy.
Of criticizing those who are anti-12.
While simultaneously being so ridiculously anti-Gute.
Get over it.
Enjoy the ride.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:09 am

Nice try, but you need to use weird capitalization, odd line breaks, and no punctuation to better capture his "style".

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:15 am

and use them inconsistently. that's the thing. it's an act. that account is like a circus geek show. it is performative. i still think it's behnke or nagler trying to gin up some action in the comments.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:07 am

I'm going with Murphy, telling us BTS what's REALLY wrong with the Packers.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:45 am

We'll see who is laughing when the Packers get their compensation for Rodgers and Love plays really well and we make the playoffs.

I disagree with the people who assume that we'd be better on the field with Rodgers than with Love and our draft picks. Love is going to look like a first round QB who's been preparing with a HOFer for three years.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:13 am

100%.

This is so true. Add to that, Love was able to glean both what to do, and what not to do. Knowing firmly what not to do is very, very important in achieving real success in this life, no matter what you might do. 3 years of watching, learning, discerning the pluses and minuses of what he saw with his own eyes.

I trust that Jordan Love will blow the doors off this joint when given the opportunity. I think the players around him feel much the same. Just my own gut feeling on this.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:16 pm

Better hope LaFleur doesn't run Shanahan's offense via the QB keepers for Love, or your investment could be on the IR list for a couple of seasons

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Racingdad's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:10 am

Absolutly agree I can’t wait to see love in gb as qb-1. If ar is back I will be so disappointed with this fo. That I too will revert to an occasional fan that would care much less to even watch the game —-why would I want to ? Just to see more of the same?

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HarryHodag's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:47 am

I remember when Favre was in his figurative death rattle with the Packers the fans were saying it was the end of the Green Bay Packers. They said the Packers were a laughing stock. They felt Ted Thompson was an idiot etc.
Wrong.

"Never giving a MVP weapons". D. Adams, Aaron Jones etc. I guess were just a bunch of slackers.

Since Gute took over in 2018 the Packers are 53-28.

Sorry if the facts are not available to your argument.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:54 am

To add...

The Packers were 10th in total offense in 2021.
The Packers were 5th in total offense in 2020.
The Packers were 19th in total offense in 2019.

They won 13 games each of those seasons. The offensive skill position cast changed minimally in each of those seasons.

When given the big contract, and basically being charged with elevating those around him in 2022, 12 was sullen, apathetic, absent from camps, and started looking his age. He either couldn't or wasn't interested in being the franchise leader his contract expected him to be.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:03 am

I go more by points than yardage, but the point is the same. With essentially the same cast in 2020 and 2021, the Packer offense was really good....it led the league in scoring in 2020.

Then, we removed a HOF WR in his prime, and we struggled to score points. We brought in a vet, we drafted two guys, but we dropped off quite a bit in scoring this last year.

IMO, the Packer offense could be improved this year with a few adjustments.

Put a more mobile QB on the field. Aaron Rodgers had 94 yards rushing last year. At the other end of that spectrum, you have Justin Fields, with 1143. In between, you've got some very good QBs like Hurts, Allen, Jackson, and Daniel Jones who all got between 40 and 50 yards/game. Some of those are designed runs, and some are just the QB getting some yards and getting a first down.

And that ties in with the second thing, the short yardage stuff. When you get stopped on short yardage, that's a big play. It takes your offense off the field, it maybe makes you settle for 3 instead of 7, and maybe you turn it over on downs. It's a big play. We've all seen the Eagles short yardage play....I'd like to know what the Packers short yardage play is going to be this season.

If it's Love up the gut with Dillon and the TE pushing the pile, that's fine with me. If it means we have to draft an OL that can make the difference there, that's fine too. I just think we lost too many of those short yardage plays last year, and it cost us time on the field, yards, points, and even a game or two.

We talk about improving the offense with a TE, or a WR, but the single biggest improvement we could make is finding a way to get 1 yard when we need it.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:36 am

... and NOT PASSING THE DAMN BALL.

"We need a seal here and a seal here. And then we run the ball... through the ALLEY!" -- Vince Lombardi

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:57 am

Starr to Dowler deep on the Post. Starr to Chandler deep on the go route...

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:21 pm

Those were never 90:10 propositions. That's what made them magical.

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Racingdad's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:52 am

Drives me crazy when we need a yard , but we gotta take that deep shot cause qb-1 saw a db move closer to the line chucks it down field and misses , punt give up long drive to opponent because defense is tired or when ignoring open wrs only to throw to double covered buddies just get the dam yard and move the chains !! That’s how you win !!

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:25 pm

May a diseased yak relieve himself on your couch.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:16 pm

That was uncalled for Bubs. It's getting harder and harder to defend you on this site. Lord knows I've tried.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:28 pm

The day that I need you to defend me I might as well kill myself.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:39 pm

I'm sorry you feel that way Bubs. I'll always be here for you. Both you and GiGi inspire me with your prophetic postings. Orlovsky, Schefter...psst...why do we need them when we have you? Please keep us informed with your incredible insight, like how many players we dress every week. How else would we know this stuff. You are truly greatly appreciated.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:51 pm

Your contributions to the topic are noted, Princess.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:56 pm

Thank you Bubs. And your misogynistic comments are noted as well. You never fail to be you.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:33 am

Bravo.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:07 am

No translation needed this time - good job, stockholder. I really like the parallelism you have going on here - and I'm not being sarcastic, for a change. This actually reads like a pretty decent "free verse" poem.

Too bad your analysis fails, once again - Jordan Love as QB does not equal DOOMSDAY, and the Packers gave Rodgers enough weapons to get him to the playoffs and even into the NFCCG - and with the exception of 2014, RODGERS DIDN'T DELIVER THE WIN.

Allen Lazard streaking across the field wide open while Rodgers throws to a covered Adams is seared into my memory.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:08 pm

They won in 2014?

Had Rodgers been able to get the ball in the end zone after one of those Russell Wilson INTS, he might have another ring. He couldn’t do it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:46 am

No doubt, the transition Plan, is a Comedy of Errors.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:31 pm

Not sure what to make of your content and style Stockholder - though I'm thinking 4 possibilities:

1. You have grossly misunderstood the meaning and form of the Japanese haiku.
2. Your WordStar (1.0) processing program is glitching.
3. You're under the influence of ayahuasca - when submitting your comments.
4. All of the above.

Still, a participation ribbon from me - in lieu of an up-vote.

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gmeyers1's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:50 am

If Carr signs with someone during the combine, or any time before Rodgers commits, a bunch of teams plan B goes away. That could up the draft pick ante for the Packers.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:43 am

Carr won't cost anyone aside from cap--he leaves their draft capital untouched. I expect he'll be the #1 over a 12 who seems to be casting some doubt on whether or not he wants to play....whether he really is, or not.

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T7Steve's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:58 am

I think he means that they won't have the Carr option so it will drive up the Rodgers sweepstakes. He's probably right, but I don't think anyone will move till they know everything.

Of course, my thinking isn't on the same tracks as NFL FOs.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:05 am

We forget that Carr isn’t exactly free of questions. In an alternate universe, where we had no QB and a deep strong roster and cap to spend, I’m not sure I’d feel all that excited about the prospect of Carr joining us.

Also, we are now in the time of year where teams fall over themselves to misdirect, especially those who will be FA buyers or drafting high. What people say and do may well have little correlation.

In particular, the Raiders have a perception that they need to make a splash somehow. Their new market launch hasn’t exactly gone to plan. They will need to do something to restore credibility and excitement. They will want to be in the news as being about to. We can’t know what their actual list of options is, but Rodgers is a credible one, but weeding through the noise there will be particularly impossible till they actually commit. In fact the generation of buzz may be as important to them as what they eventually do, at the moment.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:21 am

Derek Carr is 2-8 in 10 games played in temperatures below 40°. Where do the Jets play, again?

His completion % in those games played is around 56%. 15 total TOs compared to 12 total TDs.

Both the Raiders & the Jets have freaky wealthy owners who have struggled mightily to gain fan interest and revenues. Both are on record saying they will do anything it takes to turn their teams around into winners.

The Raiders last playoff appearance was in 2016.
The Jets last playoff appearance was in 2010.

Aaron Rodgers, though older at 39 years of age, should be able to deliver the goods for either of those teams to accomplish that goal. Especially so with the Jets, who have a Top 5 Defense, Nathaniel Hackett as their OC, and some fantastic skill position players.

Unless Rodgers retires alongside Brady, which will likely not happen, there exists a bidding war.

Supply & demand says the Packers will realize a nice addition to their draft capital.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:34 pm

Mark Davis, the Raiders co-owner with his mom, is the 29th wealthiest NFL owner. I don't think he's buying day-old bread, but I'm pretty sure he cuts his own hair to save money. So, he's freaky, but not all that wealthy in the world of the big money folks.

Woody Johnson, on the other hand, is effing rich and then some. So, yeah, I see the Jets in 12's future, too.

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Packers0808's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:18 am

Rodgers will be a Packer.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:32 am

I believe the same. I just don't see a franchise mortgaging their future, to have Rodgers short term. He's not winning a superbowl, no matter who he plays for.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:48 am

In the long run, you have to question what 12s value on the trade market really is. He's not going to bring 3 #1's as some people have pointed out, and it might be that the only #1's he might command might be conditional and in future drafts. I've been reticent to assign value in trade because I really have no idea what he's worth to an acquiring team--I'd argue that his real trade value to the Packers is getting out from under his contract, helping the cap, and lifting this cloud of drama from the locker room/organization.

I agree: the Packers likely win more games with him in 2023 than with a newb (Love), but things would need to really break right in terms of injury and player development for them to contend and the onset of bonuses in that contract that weigh down the cap hit is untenable. If the Packers have a choice, they really need to move on.

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Packers0808's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:51 am

I agree I think the time passed IF the Packers could even garner one first round draft choice at this point for him.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:57 am

If I were trading for him at this point, I wouldn't give a 1 in 2023, and any 1's I'd be offering in future draft(s) would be conditional.

But again, I have a hard time judging the market. Look at what secondary position players like Hill and Adams drew in trade last year. GMs seem to be devaluing picks over proven players. If the Packers DO deal 12, the compensation package will tell us a lot about how eager they were to let him go.

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T7Steve's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:06 am

Last season lowered the bar for Love. Missing the playoffs, the bar could only get lowered by losing to the Bears.

If Rodgers plays like he did last year and continues to get hurt as he gets older, I don't think Love gets us a worse record. As I said above, the QB isn't what needs to be fixed on this team.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:29 am

In the context of what is around him the difference in anticipated win to loss ratio between Love and Rodgers is seemingly reducing. When you have a star versus an unknown, that’s actually quite a telling phenomenon that shouldn’t be ignored.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:24 am

@dobber - you're underselling the desperation of billionaire owners and the "missing one piece" formula. The Rams bought a super bowl with matt stafford, the broncos bought one with a totally shot peyton manning, and the tampa bucs did the same with tom brady. one of those numbskull inheritor owners is going to pull the trigger for a shot at super bowl glory.

said owner will overrule his front office and impose AR12 on his head coach. ownership has it's privileges. (just ask mark murphy, who did this same thing with the ridiculous contract he proffered on AR12)

also, who in their right mind would opt for a choke job derek carr over AR12.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:08 am

One can’t go into a deal one needs done expecting desperation. If you get it that is a great bonus, but you seek to deal because you have determined the cost benefits and know what your side needs to get out of it. In this case, picks are a luxury.

We should not trading Rodgers for picks, we should be trading him to end the impasse we created and reset our competitive position because we realize that we can’t win it all with him any more and nothing else justifies the commitment of future resources .

If we believe that Rodgers can still win a Super Bowl with what’s realistically going to be around him, then we should keep him. I agree with that. The problem is that I do not see any justifiable basis for that belief. The best cited is past performance in years that didn’t get it done when he was younger and had more around him. That’s not a reason based in current reality. The coaching remains effectively the same if not a tad weaker.

As such, we trade Rodgers if we can and the critical consideration is direct relief of our future cap and return to roster flexibility through him and some ancillary departures. Picks are a bonus we seek, but are neither the driver nor determination of whether the trade is a good one.

We got a conditional pick for Favre the following year that could have been a first if he’d led the Jets to the Super Bowl. Of course he injured his bicep mid season and, having looked like they were contending, they missed the playoff and we got a third. That was still a good deal. That pick happened to help us build, but we ended up with what the team (and I) believed necessary for the Packers to move forward positively.

The team knew Rodgers wasn’t an absolute certainty, drafting 2 QBs that year, but Rodgers seized the opportunity and within a couple of years was better than Favre and continued up. He exceeded the expectations of most here, and by all accounts most within Lambeau.

Maybe Love can also do that, but i still think we need to hedge, but we can if we trade Rodgers. If one accepts we aren’t in a position to win a Super Bowl with him then we and he need to get out from under him him and let him and another team try to while we get our house back in order. Ruing what could/should have been helps nothing and if it justifies the implausible going forward, is downright damaging.

Picks help—the more the merrier—but they should not be seen as the trigger or the team reward. We need to know and very clearly understand what we need to get, and then try to exceed that. What we need is the trade to move on to be able to reconstruct a foundation to contend by mid decade.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:49 am

CW, I think this is a fair take on the situation. I disagree on some of the finer points, but I appreciate the logical approach. Good synopsis.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:46 am

And, you wouldn’t get him.

dobber, I think you’re over correcting here. LV gave what for Davonte Adams?

The going rate is going to wind up being two R1s.

We’re sitting here all smug, knowing all the minutiae, while other teams (Raiders, Jets) have hoped & prayed for decades they could compete.

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Racingdad's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:59 am

How about this trade pkg—ar-12along with d Bach and force them to take savage for 13+43 in 23. Cond.2th in 24 plus a wr or another player from jets use one of those picks on o lineman to replace Bach just food for thought Also is stockholder really ar-12 under cover ??

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:43 pm

If you were the Jets, you wouldn't give up this year's #13 pick for Aaron Rodgers?

If I'm the Jets, I think Rodgers can get me into the playoffs, and there's nobody I can draft at #13 who can do that.

And then it's over. It's not like the Hadl trade where it just lingers for years. It's clean and quick.

Personally, I think the Packers can do more. But would the Jets think that Rodgers is worth #13? I kind of think so.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:33 pm

I totally agree Bubs. You make a very strong argument.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:24 pm

If i were a Jet, i’d be thinking “we beat Rodgers last season and we went 7-10. Where’s Rodgers going to get us? 8-9? Big whoop. Pass.”

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:27 am

They would have needed to make the move in 2019 when they brought in LaFleur. Now the curve has shifted into a logarithm. They bagged a #3 for swamper and he was able to punch out three more years.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:34 am

Personally I think his value is a first or two seconds, but the FO won't take less than 2 firsts. The Jets are desperate and their owner wants Rodgers. If the second 1st rounder is conditional, they should be willing to give that up

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:32 am

I must disagree; I think he is perfectly capable of winning a super bowl. He needs a good supporting cast, though. At his age it is unfair to expect him to carry the team on his back like he did for so many years. The Packers can't provide that roster for him. The Jets can.

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Racingdad's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:02 am

Question is does Rodgers have the guts to put his rep. On the line with the jets? If he goes there and fails than what?

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Since'61's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:32 pm

Then Rodgers still goes into the HOF when he retires as a 4 time league MVP with an SB victory and an SB MVP. Plus he has his name added to the Packers Ring of Honor and his number retired. His reputation is set.

The biggest concern for Rodgers if he keeps playing is suffering a serious/permanent injury. He should walk away while he is healthy. He has nothing left to prove by continuing to play in the NFL. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:38 am

Then you did not watch Dianna Russini from ESPN interview Jets Owner Woody Johnson at the NFL Honors ceremony a week ago.

https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1623882526594068481?s=20&t=lHPIWLK...

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MooPack's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:25 am

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35760655/out-darkness-aaron-rodgers-...

Rodgers said his perspective on the decision changed during his retreat, which took place in a remote portion of southern Oregon. He said he initially felt as if there was "one scary option and one unknown."

"The scary was retirement, and the unknown was going back and playing and what does that mean?" Rodgers said. "Is that Green Bay or somewhere else? If that's somewhere else, what is it like being somewhere else?

"Now it feels like there are two very beautiful options that both feel really nourishing and special."
...
"I didn't have my best year playing [in 2019], and there's probably people that think I'm done," Rodgers said.

- He's not retiring. He's done in Green Bay.

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Packers0808's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:48 am

Funny I took just the opposite take that he wants to come back to GB just to prove he is not done. Just get the decision over either way, however!

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MooPack's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:56 am

Two things he said. Scary retirement. The unknown. Packers aren't the unknown.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:01 am

He also said retirement didn't look so scary, anymore. Maybe looking for leverage. Maybe just rambling. But it plays with what other GMs are going to be thinking regarding his commitment.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:18 am

Does it really matter? There was no decision stated. The rest was crafted to ensure no hints were given other than he did consider the issue during his retreat and that helped him but he’s not made a final decision. Beyond that it’s designed to be enigmatic so as to not imply anything, and is.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:31 am

Is this his first time playing the media?

Wow. He's really good.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:33 pm

greengold you are right. He talks a lot, but never clearly. People often take from his words what they would like to hear. He is like that Delphy fortuneteller - Pythia: You will go and return never die in war. Put your commas where you want and you'll get 2 oposite answers. Like: You will go and return, never die in war; and opposite: You will go, and return never, die in war.

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greengold's picture

March 03, 2023 at 04:22 am

That’s great croatpackfan, but it reads better replacing that guy named, Will, with Princess Nitwit & her gnat.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:14 am

He's already made up his mind - so what the hell is he waiting for?

Oh yeah, more attention. This cow ain't been done milked yet.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:32 am

Grab a teet, jurp!

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:31 am

Do you mean in 2022?

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:57 am

In a completely unrelated note and posted here because, hey why not? The NFLPA has published rankings of each team made by the players concerning eight topics important to players. Our Packers ranked 6th best overall, so yay?

Here's a link to the overall rankings (check out the Commanders. Yuck).

https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards

Click on a team name to read a more in-depth analysis of the grades.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:02 am

"Our Packers ranked 6th best overall, so yay?"

Can't be possible!
Gute has made this organization a laughing stock.
Players won't come to play in the cold.
Players only come to play with 12.
The Packers don't honor contracts.
It's a bad organization.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:15 am

We're the only team in the top 8 who didn't make the playoffs, FWIW. And the Chiefs are fourth-worst - why would anyone want to play for them? :)

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:20 pm

Lol, I did laugh at the Cardinals charging their players for meals.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:42 pm

Well, they really have no choice, given Murray's contract :)

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Guam's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:50 pm

I play golf with an ex-Cardinal and he had nothing good to say about the Bidwells. Called them cheap SOBs...... Charging for lunch certainly fits their MO.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:16 pm

I lived out there for 13 years, Guam, and the Bidwells are without a doubt cheap SOBs!!! They're a joke, as owners go. I remember their son cutting the grass at their practice facility... wow.

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jont's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:29 pm

I've never even heard of the Bidwells, and not to be argumentative, but I think it's good that the billionaire kid is sent out in the sun to cut the grass.

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greengold's picture

March 03, 2023 at 04:40 am

jont, it hits different knowing he was around 40 years old at the time.

LOL

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jont's picture

March 03, 2023 at 07:06 pm

Woah!
Maybe he went out there to find his self respect.
👍

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:25 am

The Vikings were the best. If that doesn’t say all that needs to be said about the true significance of this information, I don’t know what will.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:44 pm

Maybe that's why they won all those close games? Just kidding.

As the NFLPA said, the info is really out there to help players make decisions in free agency. I would think info that would be more helpful would be about team culture and coaching, but that we'll NEVER see in public.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:32 pm

"The Vikings were the best."

FREE BOAT RIDES!!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:35 am

I thought this was cool when I saw it yesterday.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:29 pm

Blows my mind that in these times of the modern day NFL, nearly half the NFL teams received a D+ Grade or lower in Nutrition. 15 teams... wow!

F- Arizona
F- Cincinnati
F- New Orleans
F LA Chargers
D- Detroilet
D Carolina
D Denver
D Indianapolis
D Jacksonville
D LA Rams
D Tampa Bay
D+ Chicago
D+ Cleveland
D+ Kansas City
D+ Washington

Nine NFL Teams had the same grades in Treatment of Families:
F Arizona
F Cincinnati
F Jacksonville
F Washington
D- LA Chargers
D- Pittsburgh
D+ Denver
D+ LA Rams
D+ Tampa Bay

That is just bananas... oh! But, you gotta pay for that!!! What a total failure by the NFL, and a disgrace.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:19 am

"Now it feels like there are two very beautiful options that both feel really nourishing and special."

Option 1: Coach LaF's plays

Option 2: My favorite plays

*Yes, progress! Don't give up on this Benjamin Buttons QB.

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Swisch's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:25 am

Why does he have to talk like that? Yuk!

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:46 pm

The only "nourishing option" I've ever encountered is one between a great beer and a good beer.

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PASSdaRELISH's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:26 am

My guess is that AR will announce his decision on the Pat Mcafee show next Tuesday.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:42 am

SOLID.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:48 am

*I said that last week...

; P

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ImaPayne's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:02 pm

No he wont or he wil give the pack time to trade him. He is holding out knowing he wants to stay a pack and get the big money and call it a career at the end of the season.
He aint going anywhere where he isnt the guy in charge. He runs the show here, he wont anywhere else

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packerbackerjim's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:32 am

It all comes down to AR’s view of the twilight of his career. He may be tired of predictability of summer camp in GB or have a high comfort level with his teammates and routine. He might envision a new team as an exciting challenge or shudder at the thought of learning new plays, personalities and surroundings. If he gained any clarity at his retreat or is still processing, I would expect he will let Gute know shortly. The repercussions of his decision will be felt and analyzed ad nauseam.

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Swisch's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:39 am

I'll be glad if Rodgers is gone so that I won't have to endure the interminable manipulations of Rodgers ad nauseam.
It'll be a great relief to focus on the other Packers.

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BradHTX's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:51 pm

Have an upvote for spelling “nauseam” correctly!

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Swisch's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:20 pm

Thanks, Brad, when I make spelling errors I get a little sick to my stomach ;-).

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Tundraboy's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:24 pm

Ah yes the other Packers. Exactly TheTeam

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:44 am

I really think a growing number of us are just tired of this mess. Management need to be leaders. Ours are looking rather suspect.

My guess for the Aaron Rodgers situation is that he will stay (or say he wants to stay).

Why?

This is going to sound bad, but I believe that he will finally be held accountable if (more likely when) his team loses if traded. If a team trades for him as "the final piece of the puzzle" (i.e. Jets) there is no more deflection for failure as he has been granted immunity against almost his entire career in Green Bay. He has always been protected and even this year, whether it is the thumb or not enough veteran WRs or terrible OL play or Barry's D his obvious diminished talent and poor team leadership is never contemplated as a reason for our lack of success. I just don't see him going to a team with Super Bowl expectations where he is the missing key and where he is expected to put the work in with the WRs to get up to speed on Day 1 and to not have sycophant journalists riding his crotch never blaming him when things go wrong.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:01 am

Exactly!!!

My first thought after hearing of this darkness retreat was, "He will retire, and the Packers will get nothing."

I still think he's so much of a narcissist that he won't be able to screw up his already high standing in the NFL by taking the chance on going to NYJ and losing the Super Bowl.

1. There is that pain.

2. There is the other pain of his photo ops standing next to Tom Brady, looking like an even smaller man, should he choose to retire in the same year.

That's a lot of pain, to a narcissist.

Rodgers ought to simply choose "the unknown," play with the Jets, ride that top 5 defense, and be a game manager for a year or two. He might like it. Elway did.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:43 pm

MHO is that he is so certain that he will not go to 49ers. Because 49ers failure will be on him. If trade will be executed, expect him at 1. Carolina, 2. Titans & 3. Raiders.

He will not chose team with small number of weaknesses.

He is smart enough!

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Since'61's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:49 am

Whatever happens, whether Rodgers stays in Green Bay, retire or is traded it won't be either as good or bad as has been discussed, argued and beaten endlessly over the last few months. It will be different but it won't be a disaster for the Packers and it won't turn the Packers into perennial SB champions either.

If Rodgers is traded the incoming draft picks may or may not make a significant impact in 2-3 seasons. But who knows the draft is a crap shoot. If Rodgers decides to play and remain in Green Bay his contract will be reworked and the cap hits will be reduced. If he stays healthy Rodgers gives the Packers their best chance for the playoffs in 2023 but I doubt that the current roster and coaching can achieve a Super Bowl championship. Lastly if Rodgers retires Love will take over and he will need at least a season or two to figure it all out and for the game to slow down for him.

With or without Rodgers I see the cap situation improving and the roster 2 -3 seasons away from contending for the Super Bowl. All of this is more dependent upon the coaching, the next 2-3 drafts and improving the cap situation than it does on what ever Rodgers decides. It is unlikely that it will be really, really good or really, really bad, it will just be different. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:00 am

"Months." ... ... Years... ... whatever.

LOL.

I have a really good, gut feeling about Love taking over the reigns as QB1 and blowing us all away with a higher level of play than any of us could have known previously. To be fair, he's never really had meaningful opportunities. I include the KC game in this line of thought because LaFleur hung him out to dry, calling a horrific game in Jordan Love's first start. He admitted as much.

My point is, Love is a talented player with 3 years of drilling, coaching, film study, in the same system which affords continuity & growth. There's something about a hungry, talented player getting his chance to make his mark upon the game. I firmly believe Jordan Love is that guy, and that we will challenge, this season. Possibly better than we could have with AR.

Coupled with this, a metaphorical weight will be removed from the team with AR's departure to another team or into retirement.

We'll see soon enough. I'm excited for our 2023 season, whether we get a good draft capital return in trade or if AR retires. I think this team will be more competitive, having a more quiet, calming, confident focus amongst its players.

I don't buy this "the Packers will suffer" kind of talk, at all. Not for one minute.

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Since'61's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:44 am

Good post gg. I think that with or without Rodgers QB is probably the position we should have the least concerns about. I think Love may start out a bit rough but will improve as the season progresses.

I'm more concerned about our coaching staff especially on defense. Barry's plan is just not aggressive enough for me. Im not happy with our OC or OL coaching either. And most importantly I don't like MLF retaining the current staff basically intact. Plus his pre-game preparation and in game decisions seem to be lacking in several areas.

As for the roster the Packers have questions at OL, WR and TE on offense. The right side of the OL is still a hope and a prayer. We need TEs especially if Lewis retires. AT WR Watson has upside but the rest of the group are question marks for me. On defense the DL needs improvement, our Edge rushers are adequate and we won't know about Gary until he can return to the field. If he is not the same player our pass rush will be inconsistent at best. We're pretty solid at ILB. But our secondary which was a source of strength going into 2022 has become filled with question marks. Alexander needs to return to his 2020 form. Stokes is a question until he returns from injury and his play was declining before he went down. Our safeties are ??? We should have paired Ford with Douglas towards the end of last season to see if they can be a viable safety pairing. We don't even know if Amos or Savage will return for 2023.

Finally I'm not very confident that the current FO can get the Packers out of the mess they have created over the last few seasons. They need to improve the roster, mitigate the salary cap constraints and replace numerous veterans (Crosby, Lewis, Cobb, probably Lazard and Amos) simultaneously.

Love may play excellently but he is not ready to carry the team through all of these issues and he won't be able to cover them up as Rodgers did for over a decade. Moving on from Rodgers will decrease the drama and is necessary for him and the team but the core issues concerning the Packers remain, at least for now.
Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:20 am

Quite frankly, Since'61, I don't know that Rodgers "covered up," jack shit.

We don't need QB1 to carry the team. That mindset has been emblazoned upon the Packers by AR himself, throwing game plans out the window along with our playoff hopes...

What game was that again where he threw to no other Packers WR for an entire 3 Quarters? Oh, yeah, the 2021 NFC Divisional Round LOSS to SF, 13-10.

As a matter of fact, Rodgers hindered our running game for years in RPOs, with some very high quality RBs in Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon and Jamaal Williams.

He played favorites and lost, and so did we, eviscerating Matt LaFleur's status & command as Head Coach in the process. He did much the same with Mike McCarthy. Anyone can look back and see we've discussed much of the same circumstances going well back into the McCarthy era.

Adios, Aaron. Thank you for the good times, and we all could have done without the crazy. Don't let the door hit 'ya!

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:52 am

If Rodgers goes then we will very clearly see what LaFleur can do and what, if anything, Rodgers impeded him from doing. That is absolutely imperative to return to contention.

If LaFleur suddenly shows he’s an innovative, first rate coach of personnel, strategist and in game tactician, then we will all know Rodgers was the problem and have moved passed it in a fundamentally critical way.

If, as I suspect, LaFleur trots out a similarly vapid O, continues to be out coaches before and during games and has performance issues within his staff then there will be no one to blame but him. At that point he’s gone and another critical step has been taken. How well Love does will be a factor, but we will see enough however Love does I believe.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:56 am

The only guy holding Jaire back was Barry. When they took his handcuffs off, he excelled. He made another All PRO squad in '22. Amos was either a step slow, Disinterested in Barry's passive scheme, or just biding his time to preserve his body for free agency. Savage playing to the LOS as a slot CB defeats the Purpose of using a one and four pick to Select a centerfielder. Stokes is a linear guy, but CBs have to be able to break down fast in this Zone scheme. Walker is a chase LB and can cover ground, but he is not robust enough to stop the inside running game and is shy to the gaps. As you stated, LaFleur is a question mark. Some of his play selections and gambling based on high school analytics would get most HCs fired in a competitive organization. The Pack was a victim of bad luck in 2020-21 when Bhak went down. Again, too many RAS guys who do not know situational football. Gutedkunst is in year six. One too many. The Tee Higgins whiff is a painful lesson.
Like Duke Tobin stated:
"I'm in the business of making the Cincinnati Bengals better, and so trading Tee Higgins is not on my mind," Tobin said Tuesday at the NFL Scouting Combine. "That's their problem. They want a receiver, go find your own. … The trade stuff is a little ridiculous right now."

No whishy-washy tap dance. The 30 years Plan with Two HOF QBs onboard, if scrutinized, leaves a Black Hole in the Packer universe.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:08 am

greengold -

I love the optimism!

"I include the KC game in this line of thought because LaFleur hung him out to dry, calling a horrific game in Jordan Love's first start. He admitted as much."

I will just say this though about LaFleur. When has he not taken the blame for a loss? No matter what happens he always blames himself.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:01 pm

Because it's almost always his fault, one way or the other.

I admit I was excited his 2nd year, because it seemed AR had indeed bought into the system, but last year showed me MaLF is neither innovative or able to make adjustments. Looking like a deer in the headlights at critical times in games we needed to win.

I hope I'm wrong and he comes to coach this year, but I'm not betting on it...

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:05 am

"The Calm Before the Storm"

I assume we are talking about when Rodgers says he is playing and comes back to GB, the storm will hit from media and fans. I assume that is the storm?

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:11 am

Now, I will throw up RC...but, I wouldn't be totally shocked if the Pack FO takes #12 back for 1-3 years and trade #10.

Crazier things have happened...ask Ric Ocasek.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:31 am

Don't throw up.

Just because Rodgers coming back it doesn't mean that Love is automatically gone. Packers control what they want to do with Love.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:43 am

For Loves sake, I want him set free! :)

The throwing up truly is due to #12 in a leadership role. I don't care if he gives us the best chance to win (I no longer feel he does, mainly due to his attitude). I don't care about his personal life and views. I only care about how he represents the Packers and lack of business acumen/respect for the FO.

I always try to look at the bright side. If #12 is under center (or in shotgun)...I will lose weight, due to the chunks projectiling from my mouth. See, I found a positive. 👌👍

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:31 am

Well enjoy throwing up.

Let me ask you. Did you feel this way about Rodgers 2 years ago? 3 years ago? Longer ago? Or is this a last year only thing?
When did you start feeling this way about Rodgers?

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:12 am

It wouldn't be my first choice RC. Thanks for asking...I was one that defended #12 and was actually quite impressed with how he handled the last couple years of Favre's career.

It started to change for me with the eye rolls during games, the stares and hand gestures directly at the coach, demanding players be signed he wanted. The big one was his stating he didn't want to be a Packer right before the drafts couple years ago.

My personality is one where his actions towards the team turn me off, regardless if the team was winning or not. There seems more of me with him and less team. I don't care what others feel...that is my opinion and I am tired of him. It may not be fair to him, but him "leading" this team is unfair to me. I like being direct and his way of communicating and passive-aggressive approach don't sit well with me. Lately, doesn't seem to want to put in the time for him or the team to be better before the season starts. It isn't all on him, the enablers need to be held accountable as well.

If one is not happy or fed up with the team, don't bitch after taking the contract. Go, find your happiness. Your happiness is on you, not the organization to make you happy or have fun.

Sorry, rambling but need to gooo ...

Thanks for your passion and carrying the G, RC!

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:15 pm

For me, it was when he undermined Mike McCarthy and forced the front office hand. He decided he was bigger than the team at that moment.

I guarantee that stunt made the Love draft pick a necessity.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:17 am

Won't be for me... I and, I suspect, other fans will just check out of this team, totally disgusted with our spineless "management".

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:33 am

So if Rodgers comes back you are no longer a fan of the Packers?

That's fine, you do what you want to do.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:36 am

I will be a fan always, Rodgers or Love. I would prefer the FO move on from Rodgers and start Love, but I will support Rodgers if he comes back. The Green and Gold is my #1 team, regardless of QB

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:21 am

Absolutely!

I feel the exact same way.

My biggest thing with moving on from Rodgers, is the FO has to know if Love is the guy. To move on from Rodgers, where you know you have a pretty good chance of at least making it to the playoffs and have a chance at making it to the super bowl. To move on from that, they have to know what they have in Love to make that move.

But whether Rodgers or Love or someone else is our starting QB, I will be here rooting.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:40 am

It has nothing to do with whether Love is the guy. That would be an incredible bonus. It has to do with whether Rodgers can still be the guy in the context of what we can put around him. If the answer is that they’ve realized that he can’t be, then one gets out from under the cap constraints and any others that his presence entails. Once that’s done, then we see if Love is for real or if the next long term starting QB is as yet not on the roster.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:59 am

I disagree. I think it has everything to do with Love and if he is the guy. If he is the next Rodgers, the next Mahommes, the next whoever, the Packers would simply tell Rodgers, that they are moving on from him and going with Love. Clearly before this past season he wasn't the guy. I don't know where they view him right now.

They aren't worried about the cap constraints. If they were truly worried about it, they'd be making big cuts, and they wouldn't be making the signings that they have been. They have done a great job of adding in the flexibility in the contracts to convert money into bonuses and stuff.

So why are we as fans so stuck on the salary cap when the Packers aren't?

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:59 am

We are mired in the cap. The cap doesn’t explode it strangles. As to your focus on Love, I think you wholly miss what I hope is the critical dynamic. Whether by accident or design I’m not sure.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:28 pm

I'm going to need some enlightenment.

At one end of the spectrum, you could have a team with $100 million in cap space, and at the other end, you'd have a team that has to let players go because it has no money to resign them.

Where are we are that spectrum? We don't have extra money to spend on stuff, but I think we have enough money to put a pretty good team on the field this year, and next.

I keep hearing this cap stuff. "Cap Hell", as people call it. What exactly are we talking about? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like we're putting a pretty good product out there.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:01 pm

I don't care about the cap at all, but when almost every article written emphasizes the cap rather than players, it's hard to ignore.

I'm one of the few who love AR12, but I love the Packers more. I will root for AR12 if he's playing for the Jets or Raiders or Titans or whoever. I think it is definitely time to trade 12 for the best package we can get, and I don't care whether it is AFC or NFC tbh...

If Gutey sits on his hands and lets Love ride the pine another season, I think he's wrong on so many different levels it isn't even funny. Make no mistake, whether Gutey backs Love or he doesn't, the next decision he makes will either make him or break him as a GM.

Hope he realizes this and acts accordingly.

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jurp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:57 pm

If Love sits this season, then he's gone in 24. And if he's as competent as Gutekunst and some of the players seem to think, then he could easily be a star on another team. It would be ironic, wouldn't it, if the 2024 Love-led Lions twice destroy the 2024 AR-Led Packers on their march to the Super Bowl.

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March 02, 2023 at 03:31 pm

was it Shakespeare who said that tragedy is irony plus time?

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March 02, 2023 at 11:05 pm

*Thought it was you?

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March 02, 2023 at 12:35 pm

"""If he is the next Rodgers, the next Mahommes, the next whoever, the Packers would simply tell Rodgers, that they are moving on from him and going with Love""

RC.....that's exactly what the Packers have done. They've openly stated that they think Love is ready, and they're comfortable with the idea of going into the season with him as the starter. Through their media proxies, they've told Rodgers they're disgusted with him and ready to go with Love.

If you don't know where the Packer brass views Love, you haven't been paying attention.

They drafted and developed him as Rodgers replacement. He's ready now, according to the GM and others who see him every day. The team wants, and deserves, a guy who's all in, and that's not going to be Rodgers.

I don't see the mystery. Are the Packers saying "We're not trading Rodgers"? like they did in 2021? Are they saying Love isn't ready? Are they saying their plan for transition sucks? No, no, and no.

They're going to trade Rodgers and get some compensation for him, and Love is going to play like a first rounder who has been carefully prepared to be the starter. This is what a win looks like.

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March 02, 2023 at 12:54 pm

I will be a Packers fan like I'm a Brewers fan - I'll wish them well and watch parts of a few games if the weather sucks and I'm bored, but I will NOT be invested in the team - I will NOT bleed green and gold anymore - and I will NOT be decimated when they shit the bed yet again in an important game. My mental health is worth more than the ramblings of a woo-woo QB and an incompetent FO.

I'll be emotionally invested in the Badgers, not the Packers, but in a much more rational way.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:36 pm

Now is the time to develop your connection to the Premier League. Pick a team (any team other than Tottenham). Being an Arsenal fan has been so much more interesting than being a Packer fan for the last 7 years. The team is winning, youthful, exuberant, and poised for their first Prem league title in 19 years.

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March 02, 2023 at 06:10 pm

Heard that, jurp. And rightfully so...things are looking UP at Camp Randall.

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Swisch's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:17 am

Whether or not it makes much of a practical difference to the plans of the Packers, every day that Rodgers is allowed to jerk us around is an additional embarrassment to the franchise.

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March 02, 2023 at 01:18 pm

But, but, but... That is his lfe, you know. Others are unimportant. He is!

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March 02, 2023 at 03:40 pm

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:54 pm

FINALLY, someone is holding #12 accountable!

Thanks an elephant TON. ✌️👌👍

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Swisch's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:35 pm

Rebecca, it's good to have you back at CHTV, but I do think you're putting too much blame on Aaron Rodgers.
Lighten up, for your own good. It's just football.
Don't get all uptight -- and start repeating yourself -- like that Swisch guy.
:-)

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 09:52 am

This just in: The Packers have met with TCU WR Quentin Johnston at the NFL Combine.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:01 am

Ask him if he is good interacting with children and how he would handle a hypothetical situation whereby two people from the same team are whispering different routes in each ear hole. 😁

Again, hypothetical

If he passes this, ask how he deciphers hand signals. Then test some on him

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Swisch's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:04 am

:-)

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:23 am

I would be shocked if they hadn’t.

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stockholder's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:40 am

"Mmmmm-ann-gann-niii"
https://youtu.be/eL4piuUn5nc

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ImaPayne's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:00 pm

If he is good so did a lot of teams.

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Spock's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:05 am

..."he has too much respect for the business and franchise to hold the team hostage in such a way..." I don't believe this, and I haven't believed it for several years.

10 points