Not sure keep thinking him as a young coach learning the ropes, then realize been here few years. 5plus? Still can't manage clock still blows timeouts and teams still make mistakes that a veteran coach should not allow. So maybe time to lead him toward the seat a bit, at least how him he is not free of blame. Like the defense this year as a whole, you just have to be in middle to upper part of league. A great defense covers up for average offenses. Seems like they need to find more football players rather than fat cats, Rasual Douglas was a football player no question traded wrong guy, seems like Cooper is a player, Tucker Kraft is a star in the making. Jordan Love is very talented no question is he the guy to take team to SB? Eagles are going to be very tough at home in the cold, not sure GB team as a whole is a cold weather team. They looked a little out of place vs Bears. Maybe good things will happen Sequan is all rested up yikes!

"Should Matt LaFluer be on the Hot Seat"?

Yes!
His play calling became MORE questionable this year, more Vanilla, and even with the addition of Jacobs the offense regressed. The 'Illusion' is not that of complexity, its an illusion of competency.

Yes!
Six years, three defensive coordinators, and he has yet to recognize the middle of the field is NOT a fucking fairway. Does this guy NOT watch film? How many times can you get your ass beat the same way without making a change?

Yes!
Six years, and I have yet to see one player develop as a bonafide team leader that can rally the troops, what does that say about 'their' leader?

Put him on the bus with Murphy, and Gutey!

Yes, he certainly has a lot of improving to do. I think the spotlight and pressure of being The Guy is getting to him a little bit. Gutey has gathered too much talent for it to be wasted. Just as disappointing to me is Hafley. Why do our DC's start out looking great then slowly fade to mediocrity or worse? His play calling on that last Bears drive was pathetic. You have to wonder if he knew the score. Even the lousy Bears coach had to be thinking, "Wow are they really just giving us the winning field goal? The Packers defenders had to be wondering what the hell are we doing.

No-
The key is matching up.!!
You want another 3 years for Gute.
Then they'll fire MLF.
We've had nothing but a revolving door with Gute.
And now more injuries.
But how did everyone's talent get better than GB. ?
I say we're headed for the 80s, thanks be to Gute.
With Murphy leaving. Don't make changes now.
Gute's seat should be hot instead.

Forget about the man for a moment and look at the results over this season in terms of tactics, play calling and overall standards of disciple and effectiveness.

Then look at the reasons behind the outcomes of the 6 seasons LaFleur has been our head coach: who was playing and why we fell at whichever hurdle.

Do that and there’s very little genius and a lot of foreseeable and repeated issues. There is little evidence of elevating the various rosters. Yet still. For some reason we hear the refrain of youth and upside.

This season to me showed quite clearly that, despite now being the 7th longest tenured HC now, we have not progressed and in fact LaFleur may actually have been figured out. Losing 6 out of 6 tactical battles in divisional games is a pretty damning feat. More so for a man touted as a play calling savant.

Some blame the rosters (I have a hard time with that over most of his tenure). Even were that true, poor rosters can be disciplined and focused. Ours never became so. Nor did it ever really play a single complete game except against a totally neutered Saints. More an unusually big mismatch in my view: the inconsistencies returned immediately after.

After 6 seasons I can not point to one game where LaFleur seems to have dragged a roster beyond its potential, decoded and beaten a nemesis opponent over multiple games in a season or simply left us wondering how he and we pulled off an against the odds victory. I can think of a number of the opposite outcome. At least 4 ending seasons

This year, at least 2 coaches in our division have drawn more from their rosters and proved more adept one on one twice as well. Those are Head Coaches that aren’t going anywhere soon. That’s our reality. They currently have LaFleur’s number.

For all the above reasons I can not but see LaFleur as a myth Murphy created. There no tangible substance over 6 seasons, no upward curve in terms of tactics and consistency that supports that belief. He’s not a neophyte, he is one of the longest tenured coaches now.

Not only that, I’ve not seen his defenders identify any clear basis for their mantras beyond the wins. Wins are part coach and part roster and he’s had some pretty good ones. The best part of that he had a newly re-motivated future hall of Fame QB determined in a swan song . If that’s all there is, there is nothing but hope without substance.

Absent a sustained miracle, I’m forced to conclude that LaFleur is a media creation who never really existed and that his era had run its course, the only question being how long it will take for those in Lambeau to face up to it.

If , and I mean, if MLF is let go, who is out there ??? Sunday’s game was horrific with his clock management. Coupled that with the Halfey’s brain dead d alignment on 3rd and 15 and we’re talking about s##T canning the coaching staff. If the Pack gets manhandled in the playoffs this could become a reality.

IMHO it’s a year too early to be on the hot seat. I think that the volume has been turned up based on overly high expectations for this season based largely on beating the Cowboys in the wildcard round last year. Going into last year the team was expected to be rebuilding and not really supposed to make the playoffs but Love got hot and Jones got healthy and voila, Super Bowl or bust in 24/25…

The team is flawed. Its defense is missing a pass rush and lockdown corner,partly due to injuries and partly due to some missed drafting and bad assumptions by the front office. Frankly the WRs didn’t really progress as much as expected also but is it reasonable to expect all the draft picks to hit at a single position in consecutive years? A comment above mentioned the transition from aging vets under the mushroom wonder delaying the rebuild… don’t forget the 66m dead money. The Lions do not have that albatross nor do the Vikings. Both teams also have had the ability to pick in the top half of the draft for many years.

That being said this team seems to lack an identity. Is it a running tea or a passing team? Why not use the Tight end more? Kraft has the potential to be special. The indecisiveness and some boneheaded calls and time management gaffes are red flags.

So I think MLF gets another year and 2026 is hot seat time

Thank you, Aaron, for your reasoned response. That’s all.

If you want the Packers to be more like the Bears, then yes fire the coach every three or four years. To really be the Bears follow this simple formula.

Year One: Hire new Head Coach.
Year Two: Use high draft pick on QB
Year Three: Fire Offensive Coordinator
Year Four: Fire General Manager

Or just use a d4 and roll the reaction to anything short of a Super Bowl victory.

Don't forget to react to all loses by sputtering about "accountability" and acting like "a very stable genius".

Congratulations! At least 80% of NFL teams follow your strategy. None of them are the Chiefs, Eagles, or Steelers.

Alternatively, if the Packers have a disappointing season, form a group of other disappointment fans. Buy a giant wedge of cheddar and roll it into an active volcano. Don't forget to record it for youtube.

I don't think he is a good fit anymore , no killer instinct, late to make adjustments , but whose out there?

I can appreciate that Gutey is trying to quickly move onto a "post Rodgers era" Packers but this season has been frustrating. There isn't a single game we can point to in 2024 where we can say "Yes, this was a complete game against a quality opponent!"

Watching division rivals climb to the top of the NFC in a span of 2 years with journey-man QB's while we "try to find our way" with the league's youngest (and one of the most inconsistent) teams isn't a "fun watch" for Packers fans used to dominating the division year in and year out.

2025 will be the 3rd year for the Jordan Love era and will likely be its most telling. Are we going to catch the Lions and Vikings or are we destined to remain the 3rd best team in the North? If it's the latter, it's certainly not good enough and Gutey/Lafleur may need to tweak their approach. If they're adamant about not changing their approach while yielding mediocre results, then you CERTAINLY have to look at making changes.

Sorry I missed the initial posting of this page. Probably to late to even get many eyes on this now but here's my 2 cents. Thanks to the site for giving members a chance to directly discuss this.

1. I never called for Gute to be fired. As far as drafts go, someone could put together some stats on how his picks match up with the rest of the league GMs.

2. MLF is a different story. I don't know if most of Nagler's video was addressing Gute and purposely not MLF or that's just his few minutes on the general topic. But the complaints against MLF are fairly welll documented - even at the end of the video, Nagler points out that this weeks loss was directly due to coaching mistakes. This is not the first time. How many times have we seen the Packers come out flat - even for a whole game. Remember 'burn the tape'? How many times has this site discussed that the Packers can't seem to play a full 60 minutes of solid football? How many times has MLF been called out for not being able to adjust more quickly. And lastly, just as they talk about developing and growing and building apply to coaches too - how does that fit in the the Joe Barry hire/fire? He was a bad hire and 3 years was at least 1 too long to fire. So we don't always let things play out for a decade. All of this is on MLF.
So MLF has a good record. True enough. But how much of that is that he indeed has had good players and does currently as well. Most new coaches come in to dumpster fires. He inherited AR with SB potential day 1. But he has not shown the ability build this team beyond their natural talents. Certainly that's a very subjective statement but having the same issues over and over again is some solid evidence. And this year things have gotten out of hand. And JL is not on a good run to save the team like last year. If you have a good team and beat the teams that you are supposed to, that doesn't make you a good coach. It makes you a mediocre coach. How long do you keep a mediocre coach around before putting him on the hot seat?

I still see reasons for optimism all over the field! Talented players. as well as actual stars being created in front of our eyes. I have less confidence that they'll deliver 60 minutes of great football this Sunday, as they haven't done that yet this season. Of course it's still possible.

Please MLF, delegate clock management and coach's challenges, keep your nose in the playbook.. Somebody has to do all that but it doesn't need to all be done by the same person. Balancing the run game with passing and keeping the opposing defense on its heels is probably THE main "area of emphasis" that's needed ...

If the Packers play badly against the Eagles and lose then I think that MLF should be on the hot seat for the 2025 season. 3 bad losses to end the season is not a good look for a coach who IMO has a good roster. Having said that I have posted during this season that I think 2025 will the year that it all comes together for the Packers. Love will be in his 3rd season as the starting QB, Jacobs will be back, the OL, WRs and TEs will all have another year of experience behind them.

The defense has some holes to fill but between a good draft and a salary cap with room to add some solid FAs the Packers should overcome this season's roster depth and have a more complete roster than this season.

We can't remain uncompetitive in our own division and we can't remain uncompetitive against the better teams in the league. If that happens again it will just another season of treading water until playoff elimination if the Packers get that far. At some point MLF, Gute or both need to pay the price for not getting the team to the next level.

As for the upcoming Philly game I fully realize that the Packers can play a good game and still lose or for that matter they can poorly and win. Of course winning in that case would require the Eagles to play even worse or make mistakes at critical points in the game similar to the Packers against the Bears last week.

In the event of a PACKERS victory we'll just have to wait and see how much further they go in the playoffs. Thanks, Since '61