#PackersDaily​: Wouldn't it be nice to hear from Rodgers?

Aaron chats with Packers fans worldwide after 2021's NFL draft weekend.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:10 am

If you don't understand his Silence. You won't understand his Words. He has an Agent. We've seen the divide with #4. Gute wanted him out. His Actions spoke louder then words.

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Bear's picture

May 03, 2021 at 01:36 pm

A little bit more then just not talking to them.
Bleacher Report says Aaron no longer has a relationship with his parents, Ed and Darla, or his siblings, including older brother Luke. The report also claims that Aaron's immediate family members don't even have his cell phone number

Citing a source close to Aaron, the report details Aaron's estrangement, which apparently extends to his one-time friends and late grandfather. The source claims Aaron was set to be a groomsman in the wedding of a close friend but texted the day before to say he wasn't attending, and that Aaron wasn't present at his grandfather's funeral, whom he "once called before every game."
"The family was told they were no longer welcome in Green Bay," the report also states. "If Dad wants to attend a game now, he buys tickets on StubHub or goes through another player's family."
The report also says that when Aaron's parents sent Christmas presents to him and his girlfriend, actress Olivia Munn, in 2014, they were sent back

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 01:55 pm

Your reading way to much into this. usually theres a sign of abuse, or it's the living style your living. His personal life should not be brought into this. HE moved out.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:18 pm

You are free to ignore his strange personal life...but then eat your own cooking. "You are reading to much into this" then suggest parental abuse into his estrangement?

Maybe he is just a self centered arrogant jerk who holds grudges and is unable to forgive. I don't know about you, but if it is true his mom and dad sent Christmas gifts to him and Munn...and he sent them back...that tells me A LOT about the child in the man. How about he makes a "phone call" of his own and just says "thank you. Merry Christmas mom and dad".

His estrangements are now getting national attention. Like it or not, his personal life is now part of it. And who caused it? I wonder what the executives of Jeopardy! are thinking about this.

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Bure9620's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:06 pm

There are many people estranged from their families/parents primarily due to the relationship being toxic and that individual removing themselves from the toxicity. I am not sure why we ALWAYS blame the adult child in this. I suggest you research the subject matter and research the "psychology today" website as this is a significantly deeper issue than you are portraying it being. More often than not the parents themselves suffer from personality disorders such as borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder or many others. This personality disorder manifests itself into a completely toxic relationship with the adult child or worse that adult child having developed neuroses of their own.

The one thing I do know about his family is they essentially embarrassed a celebrity family member by trying air out family issues on a dating game show on National television with him not present.....can't say I ever seen anything more self agrandizing or ridiculous....I would not be happy about this....

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:43 am

Exactly. If a person wants nothing to do with his/her parents: it's always on the parents (barring substance abuse or mental illness in the person).

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 03:44 am

We know for a fact that his parents believe in Qnon. I don't know, but they might be nuts?

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packerbackerjim's picture

May 04, 2021 at 07:47 am

Might? You’re too kind.

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Since'61's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:06 am

The Q stands for Quack!!! so that sums it ups pretty well. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:03 am

Ducks are being maligned here.

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D.D.Driver's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:16 am

How do we know these "facts"?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 08:09 pm

His parents are perfectly open about it on their social media including their facebook pages. It appears to be a verifiable fact to me.

Again, IDK about his siblings and the groomsman story. The brother took advantage on the Bachelor: kind of like Billy Carter for we old timers.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 04, 2021 at 08:55 pm

(sigh) Billy Carter is the late brother of Jimmy Carter who was the President of the United States from 1976-1980. For those of you who are too young, think of older cleaner kinder Hunter Biden. That who Billy was. Or as my grandfather said: "A good old boy who had some tough luck"...

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ghostdog1108's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:24 pm

What in the hell are you talking about............,

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nygary's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:12 am

Rodgers doesn't speak to his own family. If that's doesn't speak volumes stockholder, nothing does.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:24 am

I don't speak to mine either. If you don't want to hurt anyone. You keep away.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:31 pm

I just lost my Dad on Christmas Eve. I am going to miss our Packer pregame talks....but I miss not being able to pick up the phone to talk to my mentor about so many things. My brothers are dear and trusted friends. As are sisters.

I cannot even fathom not having them in my life.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 06:53 am

I’m sorry for your loss, LambeauPlain. Godspeed.

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Since'61's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:11 am

Sorry to hear LambeauPlain. My Dad passed back in 2008. I still think of him everyday.
Remember that your relationship hasn't ended its just different now. Be well.
Condolences. Since '61

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Bure9620's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:20 pm

I don't either, nor do they speak to me. What "volumes" exactly does that speak? Or does it ALL fall on the individual in your opinion? Are you a Psychologist?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:14 am

While none of us will ever know the whole truth I 100% believe Aaron had this whole thing planned shortly after the Jordan Love draft selection. Aaron stated he started watching film of his best years evaluating his play. He came in very motivated to play his best. Once he won the MVP award he felt he had leverage. As soon as the Pack lost the NFC Championship game he jumped right into IMO a planned narrative about how he doesnt know his future and it is in the Packers hands. He had the limelight and media attention immediately after the game and he pounced setting this whole thing up.

Conspiracy theory? Rodgers knew Boyle would not be resigned. He was close to Boyle and knew what Boyle's intentions were. Rodger's likely waited until after Boyle left to leverage the Packers knowing the straights he would put them in.

Rodgers with a very well planned out agenda let it be leaked thru 3rd parties he was unhappy and not coming back. Rodgers has the ability thru social media to speak up and refute these statements but hasn't.

My opinion of Rodger's is not good. Intelligent but a manipulator and if it turns out true he truly wants out I hope the Packers do not give into his requests and they trade his ass. The 2 teams that have been rumored to be interested in him I have looked at their rosters (49's and Denver) and there are many young talented players who most of us here at CHTV have wanted the past few drafts. I'd be very excited with a couple of these players, and a 1st round, or two first round picks. The Packers will continue to thrive with or without Rodgers. No one player is bigger than the Packer organization. As a teammate of Rodgers I would be disgusted with Rodgers and would struggle to show him respect should he come back.

Being that Rodger's dumped Dannica and she sure seems upset be interesting if someone was able to get her to respond about where Rodgers head was following the Love selection. Im sure it all started there and she knows exactly what his plans and intentions were. Very interesting!

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Coldworld's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:05 am

Rodgers has spoken in a way. He regretted the fact things had become public but did nothing to deny. His people are putting it out there. It’s his narrative. Of course he doesn’t want to deny or downplay or unequivocally admit to being the source.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

May 03, 2021 at 12:22 pm

Don't kid yourself. Rodgers knew exactly when and what was being released. Regretted it became public - funny stuff A-Rod!

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Matt Gonzales's picture

May 03, 2021 at 01:35 pm

The fact that Demovsky had some of the inside info he had on Rodgers contract coming into the new league year lends some credence to this. Before all the Watson stuff came out, it looked pretty likely Houston would trade him, and Rodgers may have been banking on being able to get traded to Houston, or possibly a multi player/pick package with Seattle since Russ has also talked about wanting out. Instead, they hold the bombshell until draft day.

No matter what, this is the kind of player GMing that I really dislike about the NBA

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Fabio's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:41 pm

I don't understand .... if Gute has chosen Love there will be a reason right? So let's go with him and exchange AR and in two years we are at SB. Where is the problem if AR wants to go ???? (sarcasm)

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Coldworld's picture

May 03, 2021 at 03:53 pm

Love was a back up for the future. Looks like he’s now for the now. Not ideal for Love or after the roster moves this season.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:43 pm

I think Jordan Love is ready to start for the Packers. He thought he was LAST year, and said so in an interview he gave recently. Not to say he expected to, but that he felt ready the day he was drafted.

Count me as one who believes in Jordan Love being more than able to get the deal done, with a serious 3 headed monster of a rushing attack, a serious new weapon in Amari Rodgers, Add an improved D? Improved STs? No cap hell?

I like it.

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Coldworld's picture

May 03, 2021 at 05:20 pm

After today’s release of his desire to have roster vetoes and description of the release of none other than Jake Kumerow as the final straw (presumably in order to deflect the comparisons with Favre over him), I think we see exactly why Love was drafted when he fell.

I severely doubt it was just Gute either, remember the rumor that off-season had been that Rodgers didn’t want to play for LaFleur and was not being given enough authority on the field. Now it’s not given enough authority on the roster, even to the extent of the 5th receiver.

Great though Rodgers has been, neither of those positions are compatible with a healthy franchise. May be time to let him sit and see what we have in Love unless he gets over his hubris, which seems unlikely and not recent in origin.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 06:10 pm

Yeah, Coldworld, we have more dots to on connect than we did 1 week ago today when nearly every single one of us thought we were ready to give this SB another shot or two with Aaron Rodgers. We’ve all pretty much had our Packers world turned upside down.

We all deal with this stuff differently, and I certainly don’t begrudge another fan holding out hope for his return.

I used to work ER/TRAUMA, where decisions need to be made fast, and a quick read of possible solutions are essential. That mindset never left me, and when he went nuclear, I immediately went down a checklist of possible scenarios that might help the Packers.

Seems the team is potentially in a very good place. I’m going to try to tune out all the stories that remain to be uncovered, and words said, and focus on what we know we have, until after June 1st. I’m super confident the Green Bay Packers will be successful this season if Jordan Love gets the call.

I watched a Jordan Love workout video someone posted a week ago, and he was making every throw. Can’t remember where I saw it. He looked good, and I believe it was very recent, from a football camp called Armed and Dangerous, or something like that for anyone interested.

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blondy45's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:02 pm

Greengold, I too have retired from the medical field. I worked in respiratory care at a neonatal center for 30 years. I was at every code when called in our hospital. I was an EMT for 10 years before that. I have been a part of much "trauma". Some trauma is fatal, some recover and the good life continues. The Packer's will recover and the good life will continue. This Rodgers trauma will pass until the next emergency arises. Go Pack Go!

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 09:37 pm

Ha! I used to work NICU too! This trauma will pass with Love. #sorrynotsorry ;-))))

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 09:54 pm

Yeah blondy, I was a Respiratory Therapist as well. You understand how that stuff works

It was all scorched earth that he threw down on every Packer fan, along with the team. What can we do? Support the team. I don’t necessarily buy this “he needed to be told” stuff, but I get it as a sign of respect. I won’t speculate further, but, more went on than any of us can know. Maybe he wasn’t deserving of that kind of respect for one reason or another.

This is just batshit crazy. Didn’t think any QB could out drama queen Favre.... I can’t stand drama. Just gonna hope for the best.

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blondy45's picture

May 03, 2021 at 06:23 pm

It was nice to get a big laugh from this very good Aaron Nagler post. You thought Rodgers was giving the Packer's organization the middle finger on opening draft night? Think what could have happened if the Cowboys had not re-upped Dak. Send Rodgers to Jerry Jones for an owner with all the say so and Mike McCarthy as your former favorite coach to boot! Not nice to hope the worst for a MVP QB, but the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence either.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 03:50 am

Some of Demovsky's inside information was wrong. Specifically, the Packers needed AR's consent to converting the $6.8M roster bonus to a signing bonus.

So that "some credence" you cite is really zip.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

May 04, 2021 at 07:45 am

Interesting. I'm happy to be wrong on that (but to be fair I was basing that on something you wrote, which you may have later corrected).

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 08:18 pm

Touche!

Very likely. The sources were Jason Fitzgerald, Demovsky, and Ken Ingalls. That seemed really solid. I suspect each of those three was relying on one source, that is, the same source. They were quite clear that there were auto conversions and GB did NOT need AR's permission and all of them used definite language as if it was a dead certain fact instead of writing "sources say."

Indeed, I was a little bitter about them being wrong. When the roster bonus was not converted, I read into that because I thought GB didn't need permission. And I wrote based on that assumption. Live and learn: don't take the media as gospel no matter how they phrase something.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:21 pm

Don't be too hard on yourself TGR. Each and every reporter and media type you cite has a pretty good track record dealing with contracts and Cap issues. Quarterbacks are a different breed of cat when it comes to contracts. And Rodgers and his team is well known for putting a hard spin on their PR. Plus there is no way they could know what kind of contract (personal services etc.) Rodgers has. Would not put past that Rodgers team flat out lied if it to their advantage. This is very high stakes for Rodgers. At this point anything goes.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:20 pm

I'm pretty sure Rodgers regrets that Packers fans and the entire NFL now are hearing he was giving an ultimatum along the lines of "It's either me or the GM"along with a list of acceptable trading partners ... after making very deliberate attempts to paint a picture that he wants nothing more that to spend the rest of his days in Green Bay, but that's not up to him. Whoops, now everybody knows I've been manipulating the narrative to make myself look like the powerless victim and the Packers front office is set up to be the fall guy if I don't get my wishes.

This guy is a manipulative piece of work. It's the same exact game he played for years with smaller issues and Mike McCarthy where Rodgers used selective wording in a deceptive manner in attempts to blame MM for failures on the field, without 'technically' lying.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 07:41 am

It is absurd. We all know he put it out there. Quite insulting, actually. We get it, Aaron Rodgers. You don’t want to play for us again...

Thanks for the good times, but now, all bets are off. You have turned yourself into an opponent. Plain & simple, at great cost to the Green Bay Packers and their fans.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:19 am

Why draft Love in the first place? A veteran is now what Gute is looking at for back up. Wasn't that the proper move before Love. Gute wanted Rodgers out. Gute made the first move. And Love sat the bench. Gute didn't want to build a winner. He wants Rodgers out. And Rodgers hasn't done anything to be called a trader. He's giving Gute what he wants. And they want to make it look like he's the trader. He's done nothing but try to make Green Bay a winner. Gute got caught in lies. It's all malice on the packers part.

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BBlake's picture

May 03, 2021 at 12:28 pm

I think Gutekunst wants his handpicked QB (Love) to start and would trade Rodgers in a heartbeat, but Murphy won't let him. Murphy is afraid of his own legacy ending up in a dumpster fire if Love bombs and the team goes into a tailspin.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:00 pm

Good Point! But I'm looking at why Gute was hired in the first place.

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Since'61's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:11 am

It's always part of regime change. The new regime wants their guys. Wolf/Holmgren moved Favre in when they go the chance. The MM/TT moved out Favre with Favre's own idiotic antics and now we're seeing Rodgers essentially move himself out probably a season earlier than Gute and MLF would have preferred but make no mistake Gute wants his guy to be the starting QB. It's why he moved him into the #2 spot without even seeing him play in a preseason game or even completing against other arms in TC.

What is Gute going to do if Rodgers is gone and they bring in a UDFA QB who beats out Love during TC? That would be hilarious but ultimately good for the Packers. Thanks, Since '61

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MarkinMadison's picture

May 03, 2021 at 12:36 pm

(1) They gave Rodgers an extension three years ago. Gute wanted him gone then?
(2) They shipped out McCarthy two years ago. Gute wanted him gone then?
(3) One year ago faced with a 37-year-old QB who has missed chunks of three seasons they saw a (very similar) young QB and they grabbed him to be the understudy, just like New England grabbed Garappollo. That's not malice, that is doing your job.

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PeteK's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:17 pm

Thanks, saved me some typing.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:35 pm

Ditto

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:39 pm

1. The extension was a PR extension. They knew Rodgers was the reason they won. 2. Murphy wanted MM gone. He showed his power and used it. Fired before the end of the season. MM had problems with management and didn't sit in the draft room. He was next to jerry the last two. 3. They traded up. they didn't let Love fall to them. A total miscalculation of Rodgers skills. Gute is not a winner. He wants power. And this is personal now. The lies are at the top. Pettine resigned. Rodgers put two and two together. Malice!

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:44 pm

Aren't you the guy who once argued with me that a Wide Reciever who gained a majority of his yards after the catch, wasn't a good WR because he gained the majority of his yards after the catch??

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 05:04 pm

Mark throws high and inside FOR THE STRIKE! Nice pitch, Mark! Agree 100%.

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Thegravedigger's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:45 pm

New england traded garapolo, per tom bradys wishes. But nobody batted an eye.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:54 pm

Tom Brady is married to Gisselle.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 04:14 am

1. Presumably not. What is your point? See point three below. AR played just 417 snaps the year before Gute decided to pay AR a boatload of money even though AR had two years left on his deal. Make up your mind!
2. Yeah, I think Gute wanted his own HC. Murphy decided that McCarthy would return for 2018. Murphy also had already given McCarthy an extension for big money which only came out later (so MM wouldn't be a lame duck even though he was still a lame duck, just one that was owed a lot of money). Then there is some confusion about LaFleur's hiring though it seems like Gute liked LaFleur, but who made the final call on LaFleur is at least debateable.
3. This is just making it up. AR snaps:
2015: 1137 snaps
2016: 1064 snaps
2017: 417 snaps
2018: 1012 snaps
2019: 1057 snaps.
2020: 1017 snaps.

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MarkinMadison's picture

May 04, 2021 at 06:36 am

2013 - missed 7 games, plus most of the game where he broke left collar bone
2014 - calf injury late in the season limited mobility and contributed to loss in Seattle
2017 - broken right collar bone missed 9 games
2018 - tibial fracture in and sprained MCL in week 1 - you're right, he played though it, but he lost mobility and the team went 6-9-1.

Two years where he missed about half the season with broken collar bones. A third year gimping his way to a losing record. A fourth year gimping his way to an NFCCG loss. A valiant effort, but he's 1-4 in NFCCG.

So yes, original post not entirely accurate, but not exactly made up. All dur respect to your snap counts.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 07:47 am

Pretty sure we all got the gist of what you were saying. Tensions are high because losing our franchise MVP QB like this, came as a surprise to most fans getting ready for the Packers to make another run with Aaron Rodgers.

He dropped this bomb less than 1 week ago. Nerves of fervent fans are raw, making it tough to say exactly what you want to. It’s all just conversation amongst us fans, and I agree with your sentiments.

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MarkinMadison's picture

May 04, 2021 at 03:24 pm

Thanks. I don't mind TGR (or anyone else) pushing me. Sometimes I write shit and it's wrong. No big.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 08:22 pm

Nah, you were more right than my memory was. I deal in numbers too much. The numbers are misleading. My apologies.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:06 pm

On a separate thought, I sometimes acknowledge that I am a callous bastard. I look at these players who keep getting hurt like Raven Greene, who is someone I've said GB should move on from since he simply can't stay healthy while trying to be hercules hybrid, and I wrote it without any empathy.

AR played through those injuries. So have other players. Our 2nd round center played despite an injury, IIRC. Some of these guys will have trouble walking when they are 55, or won't be able to play with their grandchildren. AR makes a ton of money so maybe that's worth it for him, but some of them never make a whole lot while having the same issues down the road. Maybe it shouldn't be "worth it" for anyone regardless of the amount of money earned. IDK.

Stan Smith became the #1 tennis player in the world. He could have set a new goal of trying to be #1 for a long, long time. He supposedly said he could train 6 days per week and be #1 and make a ton of money or he could train 2 or 3 days per week, have a life, and be #5 in the world and make a ton of money. He chose the latter. IDK - that doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Maybe that means I lack drive. I probably didn't have the wherewithal anyway, but I've never been #1 at anything. As I get older, I realize and regret that I probably could have accomplished more with my life than I did. "Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, There's still time to change the road you're on."

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mbpacker's picture

May 03, 2021 at 12:23 pm

Yeah, I have many of your thoughts as well. I know Gute could have handled his part better, but to go to this length and being this vindictive? Makes him look small and petty. Some compare to Farve, but Bret's situation, to me,, was not as calculated until he left the Packers then wanted to stick it to the Pack ,there is where Rodgers and Farve merge. Before that, Bret couldn't make up his mind what he wanted to do. For someone who wants to win another SB, and cares about his legacy, he has a weird way of showing it, but money and ego rule it seems. If Rodgers didn't have an MVP year or close to it, would be talking about this? Aaron needs to speak to all of us who have supported him, buy his #12 jerseys( I haven't but think how many have), and ................ sorry I will get off my soapbox.
Addendum: I seriously hope that Jeopardy game show will take this into consideration when selecting the next permanent host.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:42 pm

There is an "I" in prima donna. Also of the melodrama that they are capable of creating - always for their own benefit and often at the expense of others. I am in agreement with some of my fellow commentators - that this draft day implosion was planned. Furthermore, entirely conceived, written and directed by Rodgers (and agent). If so, what a petty and childish bit of business.

However what I find to be most reprehensible, is that they appear to have deliberately targeted draft day. This day is special for Packers fans as it is for the draftees - yet Rodgers decided to stink bomb the event. So much for his version of "love" and "respect".

I'm all for moving-on from Rodgers and his Machiavellian circus. However, to be fair, he should be at least acknowledged for his time and successes in Green Bay (prior to April 29, 2021). Thinking of a lovely parting gift - an autographed Jordan Love jersey and rookie card.

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Archie's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:32 am

Welcome to the end of the Rodgers era in GB.

This was almost inevitable when the Pack traded up to select Jordan Love one year ago. Then he wins the MVP, Boyle is let go by the Pack, Love isn't ready to start and the dead cap money associated with a trade, combined with a depressed cap number gives AR12 maximum leverage. It was now or never. He has chosen now. IMHO, given his personality, the probability of him reversing his position and playing for GB again is less than 5% and shrinking daily. AR12 is thin skinned and obviously he wanted to even the score. As Nagler said, mission accomplished. Worse yet, he is being passive-aggressive about it and refusing to own it publicaly.

As a long time Packer fan (early Lombardi years) and a major AR fan, I say trade his ass for the best deal available, effective June 2.

Ready or not, let the Jordan Love era begin in GB. Picking early in the draft could be a good thing long term and look at all the cap money we will save.

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MarkinMadison's picture

May 03, 2021 at 12:44 pm

I think it is more like 50/50. He is being very tight-lipped while letting his people do the talking. The last quote attributed to him by a teammate was he doesn't "intend" to play in Green Bay again. That is weak sauce. That is a long way from "won't." The point of this drama was to create leverage for Rodgers because he has very little leverage right now without it. His market value can only go downhill from here. This is his moment to get a big contract from GB or someone else, and he knows it. Unfortunately for him, he still has three years left on this deal. Let the games begin. If I'm the Packers I cut a deal with him to allow him to seek a trade next off-season. Sitting on the bench for a year is not a risk-free proposition for Rodgers either.

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Bear's picture

May 03, 2021 at 01:43 pm

I think the team that would trade for him would be put in a deep hole. 38 million $$ cap hit, losing possibly 3 first round picks. That team would have slim chances of going to a Super Bowl.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:24 pm

But they would make the play-offs. And it won't cost 3 picks if they want you out. They took less for #4. I believe if Rodgers was happy. He would re-work his contract. For Anybody. But the problem is the last draft. Rodgers sees all. not the PR coming out of Lambeau. I think he knew what they were going to draft before it happened. Which upset him for wasting his time and efforts.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 04:24 am

Dear me. AR's cap hit to acquiring team:

2021: $16.05M
2022: $25.50M
2023: $25.50M

GB is going to be paying $38M, not the acquiring team. AR probably negotiates a new deal with the acquiring team, that's probably happens.

I wouldn't give 3 firsts for AR. I get surprised by how much and sometimes by how little it takes to trade for a player.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 07:52 am

Thanks for sharing TGR. What exactly is the $38M GB will be paying for? Are you referring to cap hit? If there are other monies owed, I’m sure that could be worked out in a trade deal, or do I have that wrong? I really am curious to know how each of the options we have affect the Packers financially, and really appreciate your thoughts.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 08:34 pm

$38M is the dead money. So it is money that has been paid in the past already but not accounted for on the books.

That's a hard concept sometimes. AR was playing for $14.7M base, $6.8M roster (already paid so now part of the dead money), $850K escalator he earned in 2020 for being in the top 5 in comp %, INT, TD, Div. Game, etc., and a $500K workout bonus. So that's about $22.85M cash for playing in 2021. None of that was guaranteed.

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Fabio's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:53 pm

Completely agree with you Archie. For this it makes me even more angry that Gute (knowing about all this since the beginning of the year) has not traded him before, making sure better picks in the draft and re-signing players who now become useless expenses

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:52 pm

Not like anything can be considered gospel, but Gute has said this is the first he had heard of Rodgers not being willing to play if he's the GM.

I suspect Rodgers has been talking to Murphy about it.. after all, Murphy is the guy who shit-canned MM for Rodgers in 2018.

I'm also pretty sure that Murphy, who told Rodgers after firing MM "Don't be the Problem", looked back on the 2019 season and saw enough of Rodgers still being a problem that the decision was made at that time to start planning for the post-Rodgers era.

I think the plan was to trade rodgers after 2021 season, as others have noted the money works out better that way.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 04, 2021 at 12:30 am

Gute did not know otherwise do you think he would have let Boyle leave? Don't think so!

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Oppy's picture

May 04, 2021 at 12:25 pm

Well, there's that, and Boyle wasn't anything special and he took snaps away from Love.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:13 pm

Totally agree, Archie! HIT THE ROAD!!!

Lombardi would have traded his ass out ASAP. As Beinke put it on draft night, “we don’t negotiate with terrorists.”

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4thand1's picture

May 03, 2021 at 01:56 pm

THIS SUCKS

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:15 pm

Yes, it does. Majorly. I do see where making the trade and going with Love has great appeal.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 04:26 am

I don't. You like 6-11?

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 07:02 am

What are our options, TGR?

Having a QB who will be doing EVERYTHING LaFleur wants him to do will most likely give us more WINS than what Rodgers is offering us now, which is what?

I’m an optimist. Was merely trying to point out some positives in this shit storm. Never said I didn’t want AR under C until he threw napalm all over Green Bay. I mean, putting the fire out and inviting the arsonist back into the house? That will get the Packers a better record? That has more appeal?

It’s over. And, you know I don’t like 6-11.... hell, I think we’ll be right back in this thing with Jordan Love at QB, listening to his HC. I think that will be refreshing. I WANT TO SEE OUR RUN GAME, and Jordan Love playing at his top form.

Will we take a few lumps while he gets up to speed? Maybe. Again, what are our options?

1. Make AR sit and absorb his contract loss.

2. Try to appease AR and bring him back, essentially giving him complete control of the team. I question whether this is even an option.

3. Trade him while he has high market value for a good return of players/ picks.

I want to win a SB this year. I don’t see Rodgers doing that... not in GB after he torched the place.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:28 pm

Fair enough. The pick of Love angered me. Told me GB thought too much about the long term and not enough about winning it all. That's me. And I thought that while there were some parallels the situation was not the same as TT selecting AR in 2005.

You may be taking this better (or just be more emotionally mature!) than I am: I haven't really moved on to the "what do we do now" mode yet.

And to Hank below, I don't think AR was average in 2017, 2018, or 2019, but that's just my opinion. If the comparison is to 2011, or even 2014, I wouldn't argue with some decline prior to 2020 in comparison to those great years. I think AR's been a top 7 QB every year since 2010 anyway.

It has been so long since we fans have really lived through decent or even poor QBing (I guess a longer stint with Hundley at QB might have been illustrative) that fans get hyper-critical of AR's play.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 04, 2021 at 06:33 am

Nobody wants to go 6-11. Your guess at the record is not gospel that everyone believes to be true. After all, just two years ago they went 13-3 and made the NFC CG with QB play that was average by many objective measures.

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nygary's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:02 pm

I just don't see how Rodgers has all the leverage. If the pack decides not to trade him, and he still won't play , he would lose his salary plus he would have to repay 20+ million he bonus money. That's over 50 million for acting bigger than the team. There is no shot that happens. He has a huge ego but he isn't that stupid.

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BBlake's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:23 pm

Actually, it's closer to $30 million. He can simply sit out until somewhere around the 12th week and still get an accrued season. Then he wouldn't be on the hook for this year's bonus money, but he would lose out on his weekly paychecks.

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packer132's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:33 pm

Sounds good. But if he sat out 12 weeks, I couldn't see Green Bay telling him to report and get ready to start. There would be a new QB and the divorce would be in process.

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Coldworld's picture

May 03, 2021 at 05:24 pm

They aren’t required to play him. They could just make him inactive if he shows. He probably would, because if he didn’t he would forfeit a lot of money.

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packer132's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:30 pm

I agree with you. Its a mess, and low class act preplanned by Rodgers to release shocking news on draft day. He reminds me of a scorned teen when they got dumped. Many good comments on this site, but none of us will really know the whole story. I hope this blows over and Aaron reports for training camp. This Packers team looks solid, and they could pick up a cheaper FA or two prior to week #1. Lots of competition at many positions. GPG

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:55 pm

The leverage is that the Packers FO would look like a bunch a big meanies who forced Rodgers into retirement (or whatever).

It's PR leverage. Rodgers is a pro at manipulating the media. It's kinda his thing.

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:14 am

That’s undoubtedly what he is trying to do, to drum up sympathy. That’s the reason for the timing. He knows that a good proportion of the fan base would give him everything regardless of right or wrong because he lived through that with Favre. Don’t tell me Rodgers didn’t follow that. He may be surprised at the amount of people not swallowing it this time though.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:59 pm

That is interesting. I am not sure what the average fan thinks. People who comment on sites like CHTV self-select to a certain extent. I am seeing a lot of new user names commenting on another site.

I wasn't so irreplaceable that I could have gotten my boss fired (that's in part why I became self-employed). I imagine that most fans are in the same boat, so I don't know how well they might relate to someone who can or can at least force a transfer, so to speak. Some will think I can't, so neither should AR. Others will think I wish I could, and revel in watching someone else do it? Something like that?

In other words, people who paid off their student loans perhaps wonder why they should be forgiven now. Or the Child Care Tax Credit. I got zip for most of my older boy's life. Then $400 in 1998, $600 in 2000, $1000 in 2003. Now they are suggesting $3,000 and $3,600 for children under 6. I got a twinge of envy. However, the population is not growing organically and children are expensive. As a policy matter, to me, it makes sense to increase this tax credit. That doesn't mean I didn't get the twinge of envy, and I feel bad about feeling momentarily envious.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 04, 2021 at 12:32 am

nygary,
Rodgers is and always has been about his statistics. I guarantee (or as much as I can) he would never voluntarily sit for a year. Not happening!

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nygary's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:12 pm

Its now being reported that Rodgers was pissed because the Pack cut Jake Kumerow after Rodgers praised him.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 03, 2021 at 06:30 pm

The Kumerow angle is so beyond ridiculous, it seems more logical that Team Gute is planting the story to make Rodgers look bad.

The reason I don't suspect that is the case is because the Diva told Tirico he was not happy this rift got out there and he just loves Green Bay. So he clearly believes whatever tripe he throws out there will just ratchet up the pressure on the team. And his alleged smarts might exist on the football field and in an academic sense. But it sure ain't street smarts. So as dumb as it seems for Team Rodgers to leak this, that is exactly what I believe happened,

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:02 pm

I fully believe Rodgers would lose his shit if he said a player was a lock to make the team, and then he was cut the next day.

That's the type of minor slight that consumes Aaron Rodgers and drives him to madness, if we are to believe what dozens of players have recounted. He'd take it as humilating, insulting. Maybe even insolent.

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nygary's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:15 pm

I guess Jake Kumerows 20 catches in 2 years was a big difference maker. Maybe Rodgers should have thrown to him more often.

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MarkinMadison's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:49 pm

Can't possibly be true. According to many media sources, the Packers have failed Rodgers by not drafting a receiver in the first round. So Kumerow doesn't matter. Neither do other chumps unworthy of a first round pick, like Adams, Nelson, Driver, Jennings, Jones. With names like those, of course #12 wants out of Green Bay.

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mbpacker's picture

May 03, 2021 at 05:04 pm

Wonder what Aaron's family thinks about this? Do you think they should conduct a family intervention? Maybe have a bottle of scotch to entice #12. Better yet, maybe a team intervention?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 04, 2021 at 12:36 am

All of the Packer WR's and TE's should be very pissed at Rodgers insinuations. The same goes for Jordan Love. One way or another by what Rodger's and his lackeys are insinuating it should piss the hell out of all these players.

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Qoojo's picture

May 03, 2021 at 02:46 pm

Nah that's ok. Seems like all old QBs, that are very good anyway, start to think they are GM and forget they are just players. AR has always been a headcase with his holding grudges and chips on shoulder slights.

As far as drafting WR, what's the point? By the time Rodgers trusts the new WR, AR will be gone or retired.

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4zone's picture

May 03, 2021 at 03:24 pm

I detect the strong odor of Limburger in Cheese Land.

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PeteK's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:27 pm

Yeah , it's in Rod's locker and it's brown.

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packmann's picture

May 03, 2021 at 03:26 pm

https://nypost.com/2021/05/03/aaron-rodgers-text-to-mark-schlereth-after...

Aaron Rodgers’ curious text to Mark Schlereth after the Broncos trade report: “Who’s your source? What you hearing?” Rodgers messaged.

Curious indeed! Perhaps AR was caught off guard by a trade attempt that was made without his knowledge? Did the Pack try to set up a trade for AR prior to this draft...and not tell him?

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:00 pm

Oh I'm sure Gute did. He's no choir Boy. Think of the people that left when he got TTs job. You have a MVP. who will never be worth more then now. And You "traded up" for Love. It's now personal. --

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:05 pm

THe other people left when Gute got the job because they all wanted the Job Gute got.

There's only 32 GM jobs in the NFL. When multiple people are vying for a single spot, and you don't get it, you move on to another organization where you hopefully won't be waiting for 20 years for another crack at it.

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cpabandit's picture

May 03, 2021 at 03:51 pm

I will be upset and angry when I see Rodgers playing in a different uniform and like many of you and don't like the way and when he made his decision known. It sucks and it's classless. But as I've posted last week in another column here, lets consider what they did to him. They kicked him in the balls when Love was drafted, kicked him in the balls again when no wide receivers were drafted and the final straw was when they kicked in the balls when they took the football out of his hands and kicked a field goal. He did not deserve that.

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mbpacker's picture

May 03, 2021 at 05:10 pm

Glad Aaron never made mistakes in judgement! Should we consult Danica how he treats people? Oh, I am sure it's all her fault too. His own family?

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cpabandit's picture

May 03, 2021 at 05:44 pm

I did not say it is all managements' fault. Never made mistakes in judgement? Plenty of times, the last time running on third down to the almost empty end zone and choosing to pass across the field to a well cover Adams. How many times has he thrown long on third and short or held onto the ball and took a sack or held onto the ball and the clock ran out? I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm merely saying that last year they did not treat him fairly after all that he has done during his time in GB. And please don't tell me about the money they gave him. Every team would have given him that kind of money.

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Thegravedigger's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:57 pm

The problem with all these fans is they always blame the player. This is business. Yes gute is the manager. But rodgers fills that stadium. Rodgers is the reason for the 11 prime time games at least during the regular season. All im saying is gute is not blameless here. Its not as simple as " im gute i run shit bitches".

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:19 am

Lambeau would be full with the water boy at QB. The same arguments were shouted loud with Favre. The Packers will still be here after Rodgers had gone and he will go relatively soon whatever happens. He will be 38 by September, it’s just a question of when and how well the Packers are prepared for it in terms of Cap and personnel.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:09 pm

Yes, that makes sense: sooner or later, AR would have been gone anyway.

I agree that the stadium will be full with the waterboy at QB. Note that the stadium itself is perhaps half of the $200+M local revenue? GB still needs to sell jerseys, atrium tours, and all the rest. I don't have the expertise or the info to forecast how that will shake out if GB becomes a perennial loser or just mediocre. I suspect revenue sharing and a hard cap would make GB economically feasible for the future, but I have at least some concerns.

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Swisch's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:17 pm

It seems the new offense that has been implemented by Coach Matt LaFleur over the past two seasons would be perfect for Aaron Rodgers going forward.
With more quick throws and running plays, and with an emphasis on all of the players on the offense blocking on every down, this would seem to be a perfect way of keeping an aging quarterback healthy and happy and thriving -- with what is in effect of fortress of protectors around him.
At the same time, it seems this offense still allows for plenty of big plays from the quarterback as displayed to such great effect last season, all the way to Rodgers winning the MVP. The paradox of football is that less is more when it comes to passing. All of the short stuff, and the power stuff -- and moving the chains along the way -- set up the spectacular strikes we all love to enjoy over and over again as highlights.
Indeed, it seems the LaFleur offense is not really about emphasizing the run, but a balance between the pass and the run. And it's not all about short passes, either, but mixing in the longer passes at just the right time for them to click for big plays.
So here are the Packers and Rodgers coming off of two amazing 13-3 seasons and a playoff victory in each -- and falling just one game short of the Super Bowl. That's an elite football team, with good hope that the offense will continue to gel with more experience, and that our defense and special teams are going to improve significantly.
Before this draft, as stated here at CHTV, I was even ready to trade Jordan Love in the hope of a rejuvenated Rodgers having a great chance of leading us to a Super Bowl victory in the next couple of seasons.
Now, what a mess!
***
How does one even begin to sort through all of the possibilities of what has been happening behind the scenes? Even if Rodgers speaks, what could he say to repair the major damage done on draft day? How could he ever again be the face of the franchise and the leader on the field for the Packers?
Perhaps there's a way, but it would have to be an unexpectedly incredible twist, with total sincerity on both sides. We are flawed as humans and make mistakes: and I think the fans would be forgiving if we sensed authenticity.
However, it most likely won't happen. It appears to be in the best interest of all concerned for Rodgers to move on to another team.
We hope the rift will heal in time, but probably not before training camp, nor during the season, nor by the time of the playoffs. How could we possibly settle this drama so soon? If all goes well, in five or ten years we welcome Rodgers back to Lambeau Field with a heartfelt halftime ceremony to show mutual appreciation for the many good times together.
In the meantime, some distance may be the best thing. Even if we're angry with Aaron Rodgers right now, we still love the guy and wish him well always. That being said, it seems time to let him go.

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Difer's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:22 pm

Yes! I would love to see Rodgers play for another competitive team with a decent FO. Unfortunately, Mark Murphy will never permit that to happen. I just hope that Rodgers sticks to his guns. Should be an interesting season.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:16 pm

Aaron Rodgers for GM. I want a winner.

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Oppy's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:07 pm

Rodgers is a really talented shit bag.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:08 am

...and always has been.

This latest ass-holishness is nothing new.

I like what he brought on the field for my favorite football team, but I have never liked AR the person.

Buh Bye, not gonna miss him, I was a fan when Devine ran the team into the ground, I was a fan during all of the losing in the 70's and 80's and I was a fan during the revival of the 90's on into the new millennium.

I am a Green Bay Packer fan through and through, I am not ever going to place one player above the franchise. I was here before them, I will be here when they are long gone, so please do not shit in the living room when you are in the house. Some of us will be staying here long after you are gone.

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:22 am

Yet all you do is complain that he doesn’t. That said, you complete more somersaults than most gymnasts.

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Ryan3468's picture

May 03, 2021 at 04:32 pm

It appears there are a few players and some media folks who want to turn the NFL in to the NBA. It’ll be a detrimental and terrible move to elevate anyone above the future and viability of teams. Cow towing to Rogers in any way is a mistake. Rogers started this when he messed with McCarthy. The Packers and Gute owe him nothing beyond the contract he signed and the knowledge that he is the starter. What narrative will Roger’s PR team think of next? Get us draft picks in a year or get on board.

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Philarod's picture

May 04, 2021 at 06:26 am

How did he "mess with McCarthy'? For years, AR made a mediocre coach with okay talent look like a SB contender.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:13 pm

I agree with this. Now I have to figure out how that is consistent with my general support for AR in this matter. I do think the Love selection was awful. Now and at the time.

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GatorJason's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:08 pm

I think Kenny Clark should join Aaron's cause after not getting any help in draft (again) and while retaining a couple of mediocre stiffs. Instead Gutey signs no less than six interior linemen in two years. He should be sued for GM malpractice. Heck, our best scouts bailed to other teams rather than give him the benefit of their labor only to see him squander it away. Rodger's didn't get excessively peeved until he saw how Gutey retained proven under-performers while letting go some of teams solid players go for a song to our division rivals. He sees the incompetence and hates that he has to be in a position to lift the team and mask Gutekunst mediocrity in building team via the draft and understanding the impact of retaining underperformers. (NOTE: the free agent haul in 2019 was exceptional when he relied on coaching staff to advise him.) Rodgers brought this to the attention of Mark Murphy and is asking Murphy to do his job and fire Gutekunst. God knows Murphy has enough ammunition to do so. It's just sad that the Packer's best player has be the bad guy and to point this out because no one else has the balls to make an assessment that is obvious to most everyone else in the NFL. Gutey is not Sherman bad but his tendency to give away picks and reach for players in early rounds for two years is causing a talent gap within the division.

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:24 am

If we fired Gute tomorrow, his replacement would need to do the same thing with respect to Rodgers. Franchise first, individuals second, trust your judgment as a GM.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:50 am

Kadar Hollman is upset that Brian Gutekunst didn't call him before he took Shemar Jean-Charles.

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Guam's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:44 pm

My initial reaction to this mess was mostly pro-Rodgers, and as a retired CEO of a telecoms company, much of Since'61's commentaries about the importance of good communication and people management skills rang true with me. The Packers FO and Gute in particular did not handle the Jordan Love situation well at all. Enough so that Gute publicly apologized.

On further reflection however, I have moved into a more pro-Packers position. Rodgers has a long history of troubled relationships, both personal and professional. His issues with his family are well documented and past girl friends don't speak highly of him. Professionally the media reported conflicts with McCarthy during his final years with the Packers and then again with LaFleur during his first year. Now he has a conflict erupting with the GM of the Packers. At some point the issue becomes Rodgers, not everyone else. Not all people can be effectively managed and communicated with. Sometimes you just have to move on.

I hope that Rodgers and the Packers can patch things up enough to make a run with a Super Bowl worthy team. As Since'61 says - Just Win Baby! But my guess is the Jordan Love project will start earlier then expected due to the difficulties presented by our current QB1.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:05 pm

Yeah, Guam. He torched the place. We’ve got a solid month of drama coming, sadly. None of us fans wanted this. Now? Adios!

Did YOU think anyone could out-drama Favre? Not me. No way. Wow! That’s quite a feat.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 04:44 am

Favre's was more drawn out. Annual drama. This is concentrated.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 05:48 am

Yes, I remember the years well.

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:32 am

As do I. I hold you are right that we only have a month. I can see this continuing well into the fall.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 03, 2021 at 06:55 pm

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Rebecca's picture

May 03, 2021 at 07:48 pm

Did any of you actually listen to Aaron’s podcast? Get a grip. Only time will tell so maybe just have a little common sense. Half of you are trolls anyway. It would be nice to here from Aaron Rodgers.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:49 pm

Terry Bradshaw said the same thing about #4.. And your not a Rodgers fan anyway.

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HankScorpio's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:51 pm

We've heard plenty from Rodgers. Not every tidbit is approved by him but most of it has been.

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Guam's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:41 pm

Agreed HS. There is too much out there from "unnamed sources" within the Rodgers camp. He has his finger prints on at least some if not most of it.

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4thandinches's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:17 pm

I never miss a Nags podcast. I'm on here to process. Some of the takes are helpful. Others arent as much. It's a message board after all. :)

Such a dumb, tough, crappy situation born of egos and poor communication.

I will say that if the talk about Rodgers wanting say in personnel moves is true, the Love pick makes a lot more sense. You just cannot have players dictate personnel moves. They are not removed enough from personal feelings with their teammates. How many more years should we have kept Cobb, Kumerow, and Jordy. Look, I rooted for them like any fan but tough decisions need to be made sometimes for the good of the franchise. Its gotta be easier if you're in an office vs. one locker over from your friend. If these are Rodgers' demands then getting a back up plan only makes sense to me.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 04, 2021 at 12:55 am

A lot of people are saying the communications should have been better. Why?

Gute did his job and made what I consider a very good move in drafting Love. Why did he need to try communicating his intentions in the middle of the draft with Rodgers. We have seen how Rodgers has responded. In the few minutes Gutey had in selecting Love do you think he had the time to contact Rodgers? On top of that why the hell should he have contacted Rodgers? Rodgers is simply the QB on the team.

Gutey threw himself under the bus stating that he could have/should have communicated better. BS!

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4thandinches's picture

May 04, 2021 at 04:29 pm

Because showing a little empathy engenders loyalty and respect. Gute didn't need to stop in the middle of the draft to call Rodgers. That said, would it have hurt to shoot him a call when Gute had a minute and tell him 'you're still our guy but we didn't want to pass up on this talented of a kid. I understand it's not what you want but having a good backup may help us all get to where we want to go.'? Doing so would have taken 10 minutes and might have prevented this whole situation. Similarly, telling Linsley 'You've been a consumate Packer, we think you're the best center in the league, but we just can't afford anything close to what you deserve to get paid. We thank you for all your contributions and wish you nothing but the best.' Instead apparently no one told Linsley anything on his way out the door. Not a great look imo.

Does a GM NEED to do that kind of thing? No. Might it help eliminate some of this drama and foster a better leaguewide impression of the Packer organization? Maybe.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:29 pm

I remember years ago my supervisor needed brain surgery. Small company and I was still relatively junior. The owner, who lived in florida and worked 3 hours a day, moved back to Chicago and worked full-time doing the supervisor's job plus his own. The owner paid the supervisor while he got a few surgeries, and then let him return to work later. The owner could have hired someone to do the supervisor's job and just told him the company didn't have the money to keep him on the payroll and pay his replacement. This was a small company. It didn't work out: the supervisor when he returned wasn't really up to his old job and had to retire 6 months later anyway.

I watched that closely. it wasn't just the money but also the effort the owner put in. It prompted me to stay there two years longer than I probably should have.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:25 am

A voice of reason. Rodgers wants his cash after a MVP performance. Love will not be ready. Play to Win and get Rodgers on board.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:16 am

Rodgers had already gotten his cash to the tune of the highest paid player in the NFL when he signed his last contract. He followed that up with 2 stinker years as he underplayed his talent to run MM out of town.

He owed the franchise MVP level performances.

He owed the franchise better performances in the NFCCG.

He didn't deliver.

Now he wants MORE?

More say in all decisions?

More money?

Buh Bye, just move on from this arrogant douch-nozzle.

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:29 am

If we are under a bridge, it’s a nice one. If it’s trolling to express an opinion or two you don’t like, can’t say it bothers me one iota. We don’t all agree, we don’t all agree with Nagler, and we don’t necessarily stay on topic. One might argue that is the point of this.

Broad church here. I’d say the only exception would be the type who don’t add anything but insults coupled with a slight air of spurious superiority.

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Samson's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:14 pm

As Yogi would say... "It's like déjà vu all over again." .... or "When you come to a fork in the road.... take it."
The Pack is at the fork in the road....again.

AR to Denver for T. Bridgewater, 2022 1st Rd., 2023 1st Rd., 2022 2nd Rd.

The Pack would be set up for the rest of the 'roaring twenties'. Make it happen 6/2/21!

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HankScorpio's picture

May 03, 2021 at 09:00 pm

"AR to Denver for T. Bridgewater, 2022 1st Rd., 2023 1st Rd., 2022 2nd Rd."

Need more for the reigning MVP. (3) 1s and a 2 but with a twist....AR to Denver for 2018 2nd (Cortland Sutton), 2019 1st (Noah Fant), 2020 1st (Jerry Jeudy) and 2022 1st.

Don't want draft picks with Rodgers able to influence whether they are late or early. Do want to gut the pass catching group that put Denver on his wish list. For Love (Jordan) and spite.

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stockholder's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:21 pm

Lambeau street is to bloody now. You never catch a falling Knife. It's always been buy on the rumor, sell on the news. Rodgers will retire.

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:36 am

While not the best option, which would be financially sound rapprochement, him retiring would actually be the next best thing. No pain of him suiting up differently. Our cap would heal dramatically quickly and we (fans) can move in in parallel. I do not see it happening for a moment though.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:49 pm

WR Jerry Jeudy, DE Shelby Harris, ILB Baron Browning -PLUS- THREE R1s is getting closer to the mark for the REIGNING NFL MVP.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:18 am

Hank,
As usual I like your thoughts. I too believe in a trade with Denver the Packers need to receive some of their talented (at least one) WR's such as Jeudy. Getting a 1st round draft choice sounds great but there is always the chance he won't pan out. Someone like Jeudy going into his 2nd year is now experienced and ready to have over a 1,000 yard season. Why not for the Pack? Additionally, as you said let's remove some of the talent Rodger's would be throwing too in Denver making it much more enjoyable for us pissed off Packer fans. If the Packers also have Denvers 1st in 2022, and 2023, the Broncos will not have the draft capital to draft the highest rated WR's prior to Rodger's turning 40. That sounds like karma!

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:31 am

Surtain, Jeudy, Two # 1s and a Two pick take it or leave it.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 10:40 pm

That is not enough for the Packers. No way. We don’t have to trade him.

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blondy45's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:01 am

Yes we do. We will never get more value for Rodgers now at his age, MVP status, and his supposed desire to get out of Green Bay. Now exactly how much we can get for Rodgers is still up for debate. I do not think we should be narrowing our hopes on one Denver team. There are many needy teams out there. We should be all ears.

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Thegravedigger's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:06 pm

Dude. Thats identical to what the lions got for matt stafford. Theyd have to do much better than that. We need more firssts. Or some good young player (s)

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 04, 2021 at 01:00 am

Samson,
Come on......in addition to the draft choices (may have to give up one of the draft choices) I'd like Patrick Surtain, CB, and take either one of the young Jerry Jeudy, WR, or Noah Fant at TE.

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

May 03, 2021 at 08:17 pm

AR is simply fed up with these clowns running this organization. They do not appreciate what he brings to GB and have not done enough to get over the hump. Enjoy Jordan Love this year. Don’t know what you have until it’s gone. They are content with status quo. They really have zero interest in winning a Super Bowl!

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:33 am

10 years of proof.

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Coldworld's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:40 am

For Murphy maybe, not the rest.

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Thegravedigger's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:14 pm

Egos are fucking shit up. Maybe its time for the first female gm. Somethings gotta give. I know if gb did that the disney owned espn goons would get off gbs back. Cus egos are stinkin up the joint right now. And its too bad cus its overshadowing a pretty nice looking draft. Amari rodgers looks exciting. Mcduffie is a tackling machine. Hits low and wraps ankles. The app state corner his good ball skills for a guy with less than average athletic traits. And the big dt is a beast. Poor mans dexter Lawrence.

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greengold's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:48 pm

Yeah, gravedigger. Meanwhile, everybody’s Reporting DEN as the favorite. SI, NY Post, Wall St. Journal, etc. You should see the Denver Post articles... all of them complete with examples of proposals. All of whom include a player and at minimum three R1s...

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badaxed's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:49 pm

Some time ago Aaron Rodgers was in a similar situation that now befalls Jordan Love. His coach at the time made a statement " the train has left the station". Me thinks Aaron has had his ticket punched and his bags packed for quite some time and is thumbing his nose at us as he boards the "West coast express".

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:35 am

Take the Fans along with him.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:22 am

Not the Green Bay Packer fans, just the fantasy football playing - johnny come lately - bandwagon jumping - Aaron Rodgers fans.

Buh Bye to all of them.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 05, 2021 at 12:13 pm

No, specifically the GB Packer Fans...

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badaxed's picture

May 03, 2021 at 11:52 pm

Bye bye!

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garyk43's picture

May 04, 2021 at 02:48 am

The only significant change in Aaron's life since he signed his extension has been his engagement. I blame his new fiancee for the turmoil. Someone in her entourage told her Green Bay has no indoor plumbing, and she pressures Aaron to move. He needs to get his relationship under control, and instruct Shailene that moving away from the Packers will inflict enormous mental distress for the entire state of Wisconsin--does she really want that on her conscience?

By the way, shoveling a pathway through the snow to the outhouse is supposed to build character, right?

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jont's picture

May 04, 2021 at 06:19 pm

the Yoko effect?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 05:06 am

I agree that Davante Adams probably stays if GB shows him the money.

That said, this is a tremendous opportunity for Adams. Adams has some leverage. I thought $22M, Nags thought $24M AAV or so. Now I think it will be $26.5M AAV.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 08:00 am

In a month the Packers could easily afford that, though, the landscape has indeed changed. Who knows where all of this goes?

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Cubbygold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 06:07 am

Rodgers will stay and get an extension. If rodgers ego demands that love get traded, I wonder what GB could get for him? Maybe a place like Miami or Philly would be interested in a QB competition, but I suspect not. So just DEN and Vegas

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stockholder's picture

May 04, 2021 at 07:37 am

Love is staying as long as Gute is GM. Rodgers will come back if Gute is Gone, And more then likely take a pay cut. But I don't think his ego has anything to do with this. He'll retire and be just as happy.

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Difer's picture

May 04, 2021 at 08:19 am

Packers fans are the greatest! No matter how screwed up things get in Green Bay, they will continue to sell out Lambeau Field and root for the Pack, whether they go 13-3 or 3-13. Which is what allows Mark Murphy to mold the Packers into a team and front office that he can control without worrying about competing opinions, whether players, coaches or staff, becoming "part of the problem" - just shut up and play football.

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:02 am

You know it, Difer.

Having traveled through the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s and now 20s, owning stock and season tickets... the team is bigger and more important than any one player. It always has been.

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Since'61's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:39 am

greengold speaking for myself I think I have reached my limit for this issue. This is like a song that is just constantly overplayed on the radio and everywhere.

With the draft over and nothing happening NFL wise I'm just going to let this play out and stay focused on Yankee baseball until and unless we get an answer in June. Hopefully we will, because if this isn't settled one way or the other an ongoing Rodgers issue can divide the team during TC, preseason and into the regular season if it goes that long.

I say if the Packers are going to trade Rodgers, do it right and go all the way. Send Rodgers, D. Adams and Bak to the Broncos for Jeudy, Surtain, 2022 #1&2 and 2023 #1 &3. Broncos become an instant SB contender and the Packers get to move into the post-Rodgers era with plenty of picks and plenty of cap space.

Adams has also expressed concern about not having Rodgers throwing passes to him, he knows his numbers will decline dramatically. Bak and AR are very tight it would only be natural for him to be upset if AR leaves. Move out TTs guys, which Gute wants to do, and try to sell the trade to A. Jones who stayed out of FA to play with Rodgers in GB, the Smiths, Clark and Alexander who will all realize they will have no shot at an SB during the current and last contracts in GB. Don't send MLF into TC or the season with a split locker room. Do it right or go home, Gute and Murphy. As for me I've said my piece on this issue. I'm taking the record (as in vinyl young people) and throwing it out the window. Stay well. Thanks Since '61

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greengold's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:56 am

I'm right with you, but see the future of the Packers a lot brighter without AR than many others, and I mean the immediate future & beyond. I need a big break as well. This won't get any prettier for another month...

Been there. Done that. It's not like we don't already have a great QB ready to rock.

Cheers, Bubs!

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Since'61's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:43 am

Cheers to you as well greengold. Thanks, Since '61

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Lare's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:18 am

I suspect that all those that are so anxious to get rid of Rodgers are much too young to remember what it was like back in the 70's and 80's. It will be interesting to see what they post when the Packers go 5-12 the next 10 years.

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Since'61's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:42 am

I've seen it all Lare but this issue must be resolved one way or the other in June before TC and we end up with a split team locker room. See my post above in response to greengold. Be well. Thanks, Since '61

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Lare's picture

May 04, 2021 at 11:42 am

Thanks, best wishes to you also 61.

Personally, I think Rodgers is simply going to retire. He has much more to live for now with his fiancé and more money than he'll ever be able to spend. That way he also sticks it to the Packers & Gutekunst by not allowing him to get anything in return for him. He'll ride off into the sunset knowing he's the only player to retire after winning an MVP trophy. He'll make tens of millions of dollars doing sports announcing and/or Jeopardy.

JMHO.

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Since'61's picture

May 04, 2021 at 03:03 pm

Lare, There are 3 possibilities that I see for Rodgers:

1. He is traded, probably to Denver. He takes another shot at an SB with another team.
2. He retires, which given his current engagement status and the fact that he is smart enough to get out while still healthy is a realistic possibility.
3. He remains with the Packers for a final season or 2 and takes his shot for one more SB in Green Bay.

I see #1 & 2 with about equal chances of happening. IMO #3 is the least likely scenario because bridges are not just being burned they are being eliminated with very little chance for repair or rebuild. It could be his fiancé wants him to retire while healthy and go off and have a family or it could be that Rodgers is just wrestling with whether or not he wants to retire before having another shot at an SB whether in Green Bay or elsewhere.

Regrettably I'm beginning to believe that returning to Green Bay is moving down on Rodgers list of preferred outcomes. Thanks, Since '61

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nygary's picture

May 04, 2021 at 09:29 am

The world famous Jake Kumerow who was the supposed last straw for Rodgers wanting to leave, had 1 catch in 6 games for the Bills last year. DDDAAAAMMMM does Rodgers know talent. Rodgers for GM Rodgers for GM Rodgers for GM Rodgers for GM Rodgers for GM

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 04, 2021 at 10:43 pm

Kumerow is a very small thing. AR [ublicly expressed a wish for Gute to keep Kumerow. AR as QB knows whether Kumerow is running the right routes and blocking downfield. Fair enough. [That doesn't mean AR knows much about evaluating DTs and CBs or other positions.]

Gute probably thought Kumerow is 27, is a fringe guy who apparently is not going to take the next step, and decided to go with youth and unknown potential and kept Malik Taylor (or Shepherd or whoever it might have come down to).

It is Gute's job to decide those things. But it is a small thing, indeed such a small thing that it was a bone Gute might have tossed to AR. No idea but I am thinking that AR did not indicate that he felt pretty strongly about it. It reminds me of my wife who apparently thought I should be able to read her mind. Did Gute know that AR was requesting a bone here? IDK.

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