and all was quiet....except for in the Packers locked down war room! Let's get er done Gutey!

Nags- Don't be surprised that down the road, Rodgers stars in a commercial promoting a certain cell phone network and saying, " If I had ___________ network service , the Packer's GM would have been able to contact me about my future with the Packers. So get ___________ and don't be left out in the dark".

Gutey didn't talk to him when he took Love.
It takes two. Move on, It's over.
If you're that hurt get help.

Ralphie: Oooh Fuuudge!

Ralphie: Only I didn't say "Fudge." I said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!

Well, my draft mock is screwed. Nag's wants Darnell Wright as the first pick. Thanks a lot Mr. Nagler. May the ghosts of green and gold past bless you on your choice and mine, but damn!

Moo, Nags only did that so Gutekunst takes JSN. It’s a solid strategery.

So Packer fans, 30 years of being perennial SB contenders was not good enough? Reality check. Why do you think the Jets, Who just drafted a QB with the 2nd pick want Rodgers? ITS BECAUSE GREAT QBs are very difficult to get. Rookie QBs have slim chance of even being a starting quarterback let alone a great one.
GUTE, YOU IDIOT. This clown with no resume or football IQ just chased away the most accurate and greatest pure passer in NFL history. His career average of 35 tds and 5 ints Will never be matched. Welcome to NFL hell packer fans. You will have a QB carousel of 30 QBs over the next ten years. Love and Gute will be gone next year and Rodgers will have another SB

Really good, older, egotistical, expensive, and have no cell service, QBs, are hard to find too. Oh, wait we just got rid of one.

Maybe we should have let him stay until he filed for social security.

This packer fan will be extremely agitated if they take a defensive player at 13.

For one how many top end talent players can you have on a defense that continues to under achieve and when I say under achieve that is being nice . Tell me how is another defensive player gonna help this defense when the exact same coaching and scheming will be in place this year as last yr and the yr before ?

Lafluer and Berry need to figure this out with what they got and if they can't oh well someone else should

If they stay at 13 take a tight end will be disappointed because of impact value later but still could live with this over a defensive pick at 13. Really don't see the need for OT this high . Wr at 13 I guess they say JSN is worth it so would trust Gutey if this is the pick.

I'm not saying don't draft a Defensive Lineman or Edge or Safety in the draft because they absolutely should. Unfortunately, this coaching staff is completely incapable of using defensive talent to make a difference so it would be a big waste of resources to waste 13 on defense,

Ah, the singing telegram…
The super chill content…
Then the mad dash back with the NY Post cover page…
“JOLLY RODGERS!”
Wires knocked disrupting video feed…
Not super chill…
Nags frozen screen…
But, audio still a go thru it all…

Somehow, STILL… super chill.

PROPS

You had me at “singing telegram,” whoever said that. Brilliant! I owe you a beer!

Nags, I’ll see you mañana!

"He talked about recreating the glory days of Joe Namath, indicated he will stick around to attend voluntary workouts with his new teammates and strongly hinted he will play more than one season. "

That's really warm and fuzzy. So NOW he's indicating he "will stick around to attend voluntary workouts with his new teammates and strongly hinted he will play more than one season."

He couldn't have done that the last couple of years with the team that crippled their salary cap to keep him instead of going on hallucinogenic trips to South America and darkness retreats while cleansing his bowels? What a douche.

Enjoy your drama queen NY. He can now take his choking in NFCCG's (1-4) to choking in AFCCG's (0-?) while putting up MVP stats during the regular season.

#13: either Bijan or an OT who is bigger, stronger, meaner run blocker than we have or Kincaid or trade down to lower 1st for another #2 pick. get LaPorta or Gibbs at bottom of #1, then Tillman or Mingo and Rice or Hyatt.

All I know is, someone ALWAYS drops. This year the Packers pick high enough to catch that dropper or trade to someone who really wants him.
If Bijan is there, it would take a good offer for me to pass on him. Hell, move Aaron Jones to slot if you can have Robinson making Love’s life much easier for the next five years.

I'm hoping TGR will give us some information on the cap w/ 12's trade. This article seems to indicate that additional cap was freed up: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/packers-get-short-term-cap-relief-w...

One thing I think we can ALL agree on is hoping for as many QB’s as possible being picked before 13.

Dear NFL GM’s,
Push those good players down towards GB!
Sincerely,
Every Packer Fan

Yesterday there was a discussion about where the draft fits in with all the other holidays.
Consensus seemed to be Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, 4th of July, and Halloween. Draft was often ranked 3rd or 4th among them.

Ron61
April 26, 2023 at 07:25 pm
So Packer fans, 30 years of being perennial SB contenders was not good enough? Reality check. Why do you think the Jets, Who just drafted a QB with the 2nd pick want Rodgers? ITS BECAUSE GREAT QBs are very difficult to get. Rookie QBs have slim chance of even being a starting quarterback let alone a great one.
GUTE, YOU IDIOT. This clown with no resume or football IQ just chased away the most accurate and greatest pure passer in NFL history. His career average of 35 tds and 5 ints Will never be matched. Welcome to NFL hell packer fans. You will have a QB carousel of 30 QBs over the next ten years. Love and Gute will be gone next year and Rodgers will have another SB

Dear Ron61,

Careful you have a handful of people on here that are angry and hateful and are caught in an echo chamber, where no new inputs come there way other than Packer Management propaganda.

Below is part of the Transcript of yesterday's Jets Press Conference with Aaron and then a Packer Press Conference with Brian in which the interviewer asks Brian specific simple questions regarding his alleged efforts to communicate with Aaron and Brian EVADES the question.
Of course the 31 NFL Billionaire Owners controlled media only provide the sound bites that serve their agenda and thus the most relevant parts of these interviews - those parts that speak to the character of the individuals - are left out and context is lost.

Those in the echo chamber:

1) Church Lady Aaron Rodgers haters who have never met Aaron Rodgers but think they know him personally

2) Spoiled young Packer Fans Aaron Rodgers haters who have never known perennial Packer losing of the late 40s and 50s and 68 through 91 and are not satisfied with 11 years of playoffs and 21 playoff games and 5 NFC Championship games in Aaron's 15 years as a starter because the Packers won ONLY 1 Super Bowl - oh boo hoo boo hoo, the other 15 NFC teams, none of whom were in the playoffs as much as the Packers, nor in as many playoff games or NFC Championship games those 15 years or won more Super Bowl games than the Packers those 15 years are crying for you. So are the Jets fans - they feel so sad for you!!

3) Packer Management paid sycophants who are paid to parrot Packer Management Propaganda and claims of "salary cap hell", "sky is falling", "poverty" "rebuild" with Rodgers the scape goat for Brian's choice of poor Jordan, all of college football - big and small - leader in interceptions in his final year of college.

will no interest in truth, but TRUE Packer fans will appreciate the transcripts and reach a better understanding of what has been going since Gutekunst assumed his GM position in January 2018.

Yesterday: April 26, 2023:

Interviewer: Matt Scheidman, the Athletic.

Aaron Rodgers: Hi Matt.

Interviewer: Hi Aaron, so you obviously said with Pat and AJ you would have liked more direct communication about moving on for you, then Brian comes out and says 'we tried to, he just didn't respond'. How, what actually happened this offseason between the two sides that led us to where we are now?

Aaron Rodgers: Well, I mean I don't know if I really need to get into the specifics, I will say that people that know me, I am fortunate to live in a a beautiful house. The only downside is I have very limited cell service. So if you want to get ahold of me, I have to see your face. You gotta FaceTime me. So the only response to the communication thing is, there’s records in your phone about who called you when, FaceTime. There wasn’t any specific FaceTimes from any of those numbers that I was looking at. That's neither here nor there because now we are in this position. Obviously that's somehow the direction they wanted to go as far as me which led to this to be the case. My point was if there was a change they wanted to be made, why wasn't that told to me early in the offseason? Now obviously my future was undecided at that time, I didn't know if I wanted to keep playing. I wanted to go into my darkness retreat and sit with it and contemplate, but when I came out it was evident that it was 'retire or move on to a new team."

What Aaron is saying is consistent with all the other press conferences of Aaron (January 8, 2023), Brian (January 15, 2023), Brian (February 28, 2023 with all the other data points going back to Gutekunst failure to speak with Aaron before the drafting of Jordan. Aaron was disrespected, misled and blindsided on March 10, 2023.

Here is a 14 minute and 21 second interview with Brian yesterday, April 26, 2023 where the interviewer asks Brian SPECIFCALLY if he tried to Face Time Aaron and how this situation of Aaron being traded came to be:

Interviewer: After what Aaron said today I guess I got to ask you, did you try to Face Time him?

Brian: (smiles uncomfortably): Let's move on from that. I think certainly we tried to communicate but I don't really know what to say to that? But you know, um (smile and stuttering uncomfortably), we wish him well. I am glad that it is finalized. And we're kind of moving forward.

HOW ABOUT JUST ANSWERING THE SPECIFIC QUESTION DIRECTLY BRIAN!!! THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START!! DID YOU TRY TO FACE TIME AARON?

Interviewer: Gutey, I understand that, but he did go out there and say that today and part of your conversation in Arizona with these guys was about how he was uncommunicative, so I know you don't want to discuss it but at the same time it is part of the narrative as to why he is not here, right, I mean if you had had the conversations who knows if something would have been different so what degree did you try to communicate with him and were you aware that he had cell phone reception (as Gutekunst smiles uncomfortably and loses eye contact looking at the floor) issues in Malibu

Brian: We're not going to get into those details just now. I understand the question and we tried to communicate on a number of levels once we couldn't we communicated with his agents quite a bit so I am not going to get into that. I think that's not good for us. not good for them and we're going to just kinda move forward, but uh I appreciate the question, but there was no lack of effort in communication on that part from us, but I think this is a good day for the Packers, good day for the Jets and any questions about the trade I am happy to answer

COMPLETLY EVADED THE SPECIFIC QUESTION. BRIAN IS A SLIPPERY CHARACTER. SMILING AS HE STABS YOU IN THE BACK!

Brian is a slippery imprudent, impetuous, impulsive, insecure "fella" that was obviously out of his league when Murphy due to Thompson terminal illness had to decide how to deal with the situation. Cleary he was not confident in either Gutekunst or Ball or he would not have separated Ted's duties and put Gutekunst and Ball on the same level along with Lafleur - all reporting to Mark.

Here is Brian's Friday January 13, 2023 press conference when Brian tells reporters that Aaron is the quarterback for 2023 and gives the Packers the best chance to win relative to Jordan:

January 13, 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AesGzAWfCq8
Brian Gutekunst: ‘Obviously a tough season’

Interviewer: It seems the last 2 off seasons if Aaron wants to come back he will be here. He said multiple times this year that he doesn't think it will be just his decision. Do you guys want him as your quarterback next year.

“Yeah like I said in the bye week, I think I want all these guys back, that's part of that. He’s certainly going to take some time, I think that’s fair. And as we work through this, I think as he takes his time, makes his decision just on his playing career in general, then we’ll get together and move forward that way.

Interviewer: Brian he just had his least productive season of his career. He had 3 different injuries. He turns 40 next year, why would you want him back? What do you see that would make you feel that way?

Brian: “Well certainly this year, I think he was dealing with some moving pieces, some injuries and things like that. It wasn’t a great year offensively for us as a whole. But I mean, you guys saw, he can still play at a very high level. Really liked the way he led us. So again I think as we move forward over the next month or so, we’ll start putting these things together and see how that transpires.”

Another Interviewer: "To clarify, you think it is his decision in terms of coming back if he wants to be back?"

Brian: "We made a really big commitment to him you know last offseason you know. So I think as we did that, it wasn’t certainly just for this year. So we’ll, like I said, he’s going to take his time and the communication will be pretty constant as we move forward.”

Next Interviewer: "Hey Brian, going into next season, who gives you the best chance to win, him or Jordan?"
Brian: "Well I mean you're talking about a four-time MVP, right?" said Gutekunst. "We're very excited about Jordan and where he's at -- there's no doubt about that. But Jordan's never played a 16-, 17-game season, gone through all the stuff. It's no different from when we moved from Brett to Aaron, right? That's a hard thing to say. At the same time, where Aaron's at, the level he's at, there's not many teams he wouldn't give the best chance to win."

Interviewer: You know I asked him this after the game on Sunday too. What would you know he has dropped these bread crumbs of you know in Chicago, well there has to be mutual desire. He has done it a few more times. What would give him the impression that you guys don't want him back? Because I asked him flat out if anybody has indicated that to him and he said "no, it is just a feeling" he has.

Brian: "Yeah, I don't think anybody has given him. I think that is a question for him, that wouldn't be for me. You know this was a tough season. This was not what we expected. That stretch in the middle was really hard. You know so I think all of our players not just Aaron, there is different feelings as you go through that so. Again, I don't want to speak for him but that is certainly a question for him.

Interviewer: "But you have not given him"

Brian: "No we have not like we always do, talk this week. It was really good conversations. I really respect the process he goes through after the season. He has done this for a long time. What he goes through during the offseason to get prepared for a season is significant. And I understand the decision he has to make on whether he wants to go through that. So I have always tried to give him that time. We talked about the season. What went right, what went wrong. What we liked, what we didn't. But not a lot of future stuff. "

Interviewer: "Brian going back to Jordan, can you envision a scenario where both of them are on the team, co exist whatever term you want to use."

Brian: "Sure no I think again, we really like the development of where Jordan is. I think he is ready to play, I think that is his next step in his development, but those guys work well together in the room. You know I think if anything this year would have happened to Aaron and Jordan would have had to play a significant amount of time we felt really good about that. But it is like any quarterback in the national football league, when they haven't done it you go into that and there is some unknowns. They have to handle a lot of different things, see a lot of different things before they can get to a point where they can win games in this league, so, but no I could foresee that."

Interviewer: Jordan will be going into his 4th year as a back up. Is there any concern or has he indicated that he is just ready to play, whether it is here or somewhere else.

Brian: "I definitely think he's ready to play, I think he feels that way. I think he's chomping at the bit. But at the same time, we're going to do what's best for the Green Bay Packers and what gives us the best chance to win moving forward."

Interviewer: "So is it pretty much a given that you either exercise the 5th year option or do something else contractually to keep him with you beyond this upcoming season"?

Brian: "I wouldn't say that is a given. We're kind of working through that. What's best. We don't even know the salary cap number for this coming year. You know by now we usually have a sense of what that is going to be so. Once we get that and we start down the track of looking how we are going to put this team together for 23 and beyond. We will make that decision but we're not there yet. "

Interviewer: "From your perspective, what caused the drop in Aaron's production. What gives you the confidence it is not the start of a decline and he can get back to..?"

Brian: " Well certainly when losing "Te" (Davante Adams) you know that was a big part of it. I think there was some moving pieces on the offensive line early as some of those guys - Elgton and Dave - got back from injury, Bobby Tonyan as well, so I think that is part of it. And obviously he dealt with some significant injuries like he always does - he plays through things that most guys don't and but at the same time you know I think our offense as a whole just was inconsistent week in week out. There was some flashes. There was some glimpses during game were I though we were getting back to the productivity level that we have seen in the past but we weren't able to string those things together."

Interviewer: "Is there any concern about his big game performances, I mean he didn't play well against Detroit, same thing against San Fran last year.?"

Brian: "Yeah, well I think they are all big games for us but certainly those season enders are so magnified. As a team we struggled to figure out how to play really well in these final games that have everything on the line, win or go home games so. We're continuing to look at that. It is very important to us, but you know whenever you don't finish the Super Bowl off with a win you are going to look back and look at why you didn't play better in those games."

Interviewer: "In that stretch in October, how much consideration did you give to playing Jordan then a quarterback with a fractured thumb, missing practice.?"

Brian: "Yeah I think as long as we're in it we're going to play the guy that gave us the best chance to win those games, you know I talked at the bye week we might have been 4-8 at the time, it certainly wasn't looking good, but I did fell if the guys could come together and just get something started that we have a chance to get back in this. It wasn't in our control at that time. Really proud not only of the players, but the coaching staff, the whole organization. You know you have seen teams quit before in those situations and our guys never did. They kept coming to work. They didn't blink. And we had a couple games fall our way and we saw it going and we were really excited to see if we get into these playoffs and see what we could do but it just didn't happen but I think as long as you have an opportunity to keep winning games and keep moving forward and get in the playoffs we are always going to make the decision to go out to win the game."

Interviewer: "Brian, you have this option to really not do anything with Aaron until the start of the regular season, is there a chance you would - even if he says he wants to come back - you would just hold off on that because you don't know what could happen in the future?"

Brian: "No I think you know those are all hypotheticals and I want to get through this period of time where he has a chance to get away and kind of see what he wants to do and Matt and I start to work through - we're meeting with everybody in the organization, trying to just go through this season and then start to plan out 2023 so those are hypotheticals at this time I don't know if we are there yet."

Interviewer: "Could you look him in the eye and say, "We're ready to move on from him?"

Brian: "I mean if we were sure absolutely you're going to be honest with him, I mean that's You know I think he deserves that you know., if we get to that point. Were just not at that point."

Interviewer: "You mentioned how committed Aaron is to getting ready for the season as to what he puts his body through in the off season. Do you need more of that work to be here in Green Bay? Because the last 2 years Aaron missed some of OTA"

Brian: "Well we think we want all of the players here in the offseason. I think you know, I think Matt and his staff. I think it is just when guys are together first of all I think there is more energy in the building. I think certainly when your quarterback and your leader is in the building. So we want all our guys here, it is optional and voluntary as you guys know with the exception of the mandatory mini camp, but we would like - we invest a lot in these guys - and we would certainly like that investment back from all of our guys but thee is rules for a reason and they are negotiated in the CBA so I know a lot of the veteran players probably need less of that, but sometimes the younger players need those guys here as well so as we get moving into this next season we will kind of see how that goes.

Interviewer: You were pretty steadfast I think it was two off seasons ago that you weren't going to trade him when he didn't want to be here if a team called and wanted to inquire about that would you pick it up

Brian: I appreciate the question, those are hypotheticals again I think he has a lot of thinking about what he wants to do and once he gets through that process then we will get together and start planning this thing out

Gutekunst is just a petulant, impatient, impetuous imprudent, impulsive, evasive, emotion driven immature and insecure GM that is over his head. . This April 24, 2023 interview below said it all and is consistent with what Aaron Rodgers has claimed - "It (i.e. the team chemistry and the Packers success) is about the people" :and it seems that Brian is so insecure in his position that he looks a the players AS HIS ENEMIES, HIS ADVERSARIES, COMMODITES TO BE BOUGHT, SOLD AND TRADED rather than Human Beings and comrades and part of the Packer and Green Bay community that owns the Packers, unlike any other team, this is a team where the shareholder fans have SIX TIMES contributed their monies to the Packers - UNLIKE ANY OF THE OTHER 31 BILLIONAIRE PARASITES - WITHOUT ANY EXPECATION OF OF A RETURN OF THEIR MONEY.

These TRUE PACKER FANS expect the Players to be TREATED WITH RESPECT and look at their Green Bay Packers as a UNIQUE IDENTITY unlike any of the other 31 NFL businesses in which the stockholders - 31 Billionaires - seek to suck as much profit out of the physical risks their workers - the players - put themselves through on the field.

April 24, 2023 Interview of Brian:

Interviewer: "Hey Gutey you said you wanted to do what was right for Aaron and right for the team. Why is trading him the right thing for your team? Forget about him, why is it the right thing for you guys?"

Brian: "Yeah I think where our team is at, obviously Aaron's up there in age and has I don't know how many years he has. I think he has some really good football left in him, but I think for us as we got through the off season and started talking about where we wanted to go, um, this made a little bit of sense for us. We wanted to get his input like I told you guys in the past and would have loved to have that and see where he sat with that. That didn't happen, that was a little bit unfortunate and disappointing for me,

Interviewer: "You talked about not getting the input from Aaron that you wanted. If you all had a conversation do you think this could have ended differently or.."

Brian: "Yeah that is hypothetical, who knows like I said, um but um you know I would like to have had it, didn't have it , it happens so it kinda is what it is"

AND NOW THIS IMPATIENT AND IMPETUOUS AND IMPRUDENT PACKER GENERAL MANAGER TELLS US THAT IF HE JUST HAD TIME TO SPEAK WITH RODGERS "WHO KNOWS??"

THE PACKER GM MAY NOT HAVE TRADED HIM.

Maybe there ought to be a limit on the length of posts.
Just spitballing.
Probably unnecessary.

I'm a Packers fan first and Love is my QB, I met him a few weeks ago and he's seems like a very humble and intelligent young man I wished him luck but no way do I think Rodgers is washed up and done, its going to be interesting to say the least .

StarrtoRodgers,

The Truth!

Well Done!!!!

My weird thought for the day. What if the Packers traded next years pick from the Jets & a 3 or 4th round for another 1st round pick in this years draft.???

I'd be happy with Darnell Wright at #13. I've said all along that we need to improve the offense, and actually converting 3rd and shorts, or 4th and shorts, would have helped several times last year. Also, some of our early season struggles were because we were short-handed on the line and were starting guys like Newman and Hanson. An immediate starter and a definite advantage in short yardage, a low probability of being a bust, and he'll make Love and Jones/Dillon better players.

I actually think we might get a shot at a better Olineman at #13. If we get a premium guy, it makes a future trade of Bakhtiari more possible, securing even more draft capital for 2024.

Nothing good gets done on offense unless people get blocked.

double

Hawk fan here. I love Lucas and he will be a very good player for GB. And you won't see him make stupid headcase mistakes like Quay Walker last year. The first-round trades that were made didn't net much for the teams trading back with surprisingly weak offers to move up after the 7th pick was made.. I will bet we turned down Pittsburg's offer that New England accepted. We should have taken the 4th rounder if that was the offer to move down 4 spots because if Van Ness was our #1 prospect, he would have still been there at 18. OR we could have selected top ten prospect Myles Murphy and got the same results. Plus, the bonus of adding pick #120.

If TE is our next need to fill, and I hope it is, we still should have 3 of the top 5 to pick from. WR should be addressed next, and if Tillman is there, we should grab him. If he isn't and a team 10 or 12 spots behind us wants to move up, we should grab it and the extra pick. It could be another 3rd rounder and at least a 4th. As evidenced by GBs trade up for Watson last year, teams like us start to panic in the 2nd and 3rd rounds by offering more than they should because the need pool is drying up. We could do better this year with a trade back in the 2nd round than we would have gotten in the first. There will be a strong group of WRs still there to take and then 3 holes will be filled. An extra 3rd, 4th, or 5th would be huge toward filling an extra need.

If Zacch Pickens is gone when our 3rd rounder comes up, maybe we can snag Brodric Martin-DT-Western Kentucky with a later pick. He would be a steal in the 4th or 5th and would fill a big role in our D-line rotation. Corey Durden- N C State or Jacob Slade-Mich State are later options. Any of the 4 and a later cut FA later would fill the needs.

Does anyone know if we gained any salary cap $$ by renegotiating the Aaron Rodgers contract before he went to the Jets? I have read we gained between $7 million and $14 million from the contract redo. Would we now have some spare $$ to spend on free agents if we found some we liked?

Also are there any rumors of Savage being traded. I also read we would gain $8 million if we could find a trade partner for him. A trade with the Broncos for TE Albert Okwuegbunam has been floated for the last year. We would only need 2 TEs then in the draft if we could get him and could offload Savage and his contract since he doesn't seem to be in our plans next year. I see Taylor Rapp signed with the Bengals for under $2 million. That would have been money well spent if we would have had any to spare.