#PackersDaily: Playing the waiting game

The Jets have made their pitch. The Packers have made it clear they're ready to move on. Both teams (along with much of the NFL) await word from Aaron Rodgers.

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mbpacker's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:10 pm

Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:24 pm

How do we know it’s 12 that’s slowing the process? Might be hearing other offers or just not thrilled with Jets offer?

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PackerAaron's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:41 pm

Been reported on extensively throughout the day by folks I trust.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:46 pm

Thanks Nags…..any confirmation on other teams interested?

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greengold's picture

March 10, 2023 at 11:01 am

OMG, from the Reply section on your YouTube:

"Rodgers: I don't want to hold the team hostage

Also Rodgers: IT PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN"

F'N A, that is spectacular!!! Thank you, Tyler!!!

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:52 pm

I have heard that the trade compensation is set. I have also heard that the Packers are looking for a 2023 first (and some kind of 2024 pick that depends on whether Rodgers plays in 2024). Hopefully this leads to something?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2023 at 10:00 am

Lots of talk about package deals though the source, Sauce Gardner, isn't a good as the ones Nags is relying upon.

GB doesn't have to adjust any other contracts at the moment. A couple have roster bonuses due on March 19 or 20, but Bakh's $9.5M is due March 17, a week from today, so decisions have to be made on those players before the bonus gets paid.

GB can still free up cap space. Here are what the mostly likely avenues are:

$12.028M - Bakh
$3.336M -- Rasul Douglas
$2.268M - Campbell
$3.025M - Gary (normal terms of an extension)
$0.548M - O'Donnell
$21.205M total or $15.505M if Bakh is traded pre June.

GB is $13M under the cap as of March 15, new league year start, which includes a 2nd round tender for Nijman. $5M in-season piggy bank, PS, and 52nd and 53rd contracts eat up close to $11.3M. GB is still ok, about $2M in the black. Signing draft picks costs a little under $4.7M. Need $2.7M more cap. Trading AR costs $9M, so now need $11.7M more.

I still want Leavitt, Wilson, Hollins, Ford if possible, even Tyler Davis. Hard to keep Nixon.
Pretty much done if Bakh is traded along with AR. If they keep Bakh, GB would have $9.5M or so to spend on a Nixon, Tonyan, Lazard or outside UFA.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2023 at 10:05 am

Forgot Runyan ($1.4M relief) , the break in case of emergency or if GB gets a first or second round pick for Bakh.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 02:33 pm

He's as much as the next three combined, and more. If I'm understanding you correctly, we need almost $12 million

I'm not in the trade Bakhtiari camp. I'm in the "get guys blocked" camp. But Bakhtiari can be replaced, and it does look like the team is going to need the money.

This is the downside of free agency......you have to let guys go for financial reasons and not football reasons.

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Greengold was on the multi-player swap , including Bakhtiari. I'm not quite as eager to embrace things like this, but it could happen. I wonder if the clowns/bozos/incompetents at 1265 have actually considered any of these scenarios (yeah, I'm sure they have).

I'd like extra picks in the Top 100 in this draft, and I'd like to remove as much pressure from the cap as is practical. If that means parting company with Bakhtiari, I'm OK with that, but we already have a need to upgrade our Oline, and this means we have to do that AND replace a really good LT. That's probably two picks in the Top 100 and another on Day 3 for blockers.

If keeping Bakhtiari has the added bonus of saving us $9.5 and facilitating the signing of these guys you mentioned, then I really think all of that is worth more than a draft pick.

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4thand10's picture

March 10, 2023 at 10:28 am

Jets want him bad. One dude said he’d cut his pinky toe off to get him there. If im the packers… Id bluff. Id say 2 1sts One this this year and one next. If Rodgers goes to the jets an lights it up we could have a top 5 pick next yr…. everyone is happy. Unless he retires… then he screws both teams :-)

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Fubared's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:44 pm

Even if they reach a deal they, wink wink wink,can't mention it until March 15th.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 09, 2023 at 06:50 pm

I'm sorry your favorite team (Vikings) lost Eric Kendricks and now Adam Theielen looks loke he's on the way out too. Za'Darius also just said today he wants to be released. It must not be fun in Vikingsland.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:15 pm

"It must not be fun in Vikingsland."

Was it ever?

I guess it could be fun if you like to go to Super Bowls and lose... ; P

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MainePackFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:38 pm

To be clear. Aaron Rodgers is not deciding where he wants to play. The Packers don't want him.

Imagine if you told your boss that you wanted to retire with the organization. You do your job and contribute to the success of your company that you have been doing your whole career. You lead your company to a very successful year, All is going well, you are happy and your company is happy. Your boss has a chance to help you help the company you by filling holes that would lead to a more successful year, and the solution your boss comes up with is to replace you.

You work harder to prove your worth and perform at an even higher level for the next 2 years for the company you have spent your whole life with. They gush over you and you are rewarded for your effort with a raise. . Then you get sick. You still show up for work every day and give it everything you have because the company means that much to you. The company doesn't have a good year and they kick you to the curb because they decide you are not worth the money they invested and turn to your replacement that you were part of training.

You know that you are getting older and tell the company you understand they may need to go to the younger employee. No hard feelings. You explain to the company that you need a little time to decide whether to continue your career with a new company or just call it good and retire.

Put yourself in that place in your job, your life, and maybe it will be easier to understand what Aaron Rodgers is going through, and why he needs a little extra time.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 07:55 pm

An immediate downvote. No response . Whoever you are, you have a cowards approach to life. If you disagree that's fine, tell me why.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:18 pm

LMAO... I have at least two or three loyal downvote cowards. Don't take it personally. There are idiots out there, just be glad you're not one of them MPF... ; P

I'm not a coward or an idiot.

In fact, in a moment of clarity yesterday stockholder had a comment I agreed with and gave him a thumbs up. Granted, they are few and far between, and getting farther and fewer these days, but if he says something I agree with, I'll give just about anyone a thumbs up.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:23 pm

Never give thumbs up or down. I'll actually use words to explain why I agree, or disagree,with a post. The anonymous chickenshit downvote has no constructive value.

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greengold's picture

March 10, 2023 at 07:11 am

Princess Nitwit & the Gnats no longer exist to me.

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That one still cracks me up every time, LH. Bravo.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 11:41 am

And you know what doesn't bother me? Keyboard warriors who can't keep up a cogent argument with anyone who disagrees with them, so they resort to silly, immature name calling while hiding behind their computers on an anonymous website. Now that's the definition of chickenshit. And the reason it doesn't bother me is because I have zero doubt neither of you would have the balls to ever to do it to my face.

And if you don't want negative responses to your posts, stop posting ridiculous nonsense like Jake Hanson will bring a 2nd round pick in trade. Now that deserved some name calling, but I guess I'm just a bit more mature than you and the guy with the goofy avatar.

By the way, I rarely downvote. Maybe the only thing your hero and I have in common.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 11:52 am

You know, Princess, when you sit there and scream "GO FUCK YOURSELF" and other things, it kind of rings hollow when you climb on your victim horse and denounce "name-calling', which for the most part, only applies to you, since you're the only one .

As far as balls, you have a standing offer to meet me in person at the place of your choosing. Then you can tell me to GO FUCK YOURSELF in person. You're the biggest coward I've ever seen, repeatedly saying things behind the safety of your keyboard that would almost certainly result in a fight if you said them in person. I can't believe you get in several fights a week, so I'm assuming you don't talk to people like that in person.

You are mentally ill. You're inflicting your illness on other people. I know you won't/can't stop. Sadly, when you confine your commentary to football, you actually have some clarity at times. Unfortunately, you can't stop making it personal with posters.....just like this post.

A tip. Talk about football. Stop taking shots at people. You'll find that people won't realize what you are.

As far as Jake Hanson, I don't think he's worth a 2nd. But that's JMO. I don't feel a need to insult people who have a different idea. This may surprise you, but I disagree with most people on most things, but there's only one that I call Princess Nitwit.

Do I have derogatory nicknames for Coldworld? TGR? Or maybe Stockholder and Lphill? No. Just you, you're the one who has earned that distinction. And then I go for an extended period, carefully trying not trigger you, even changing my avatar, not arguing with you or mentioning you, and you still can't stop doing what you do.

So no. You're not a victim. You are causing this, and I'd be happy to come and explain this to you face to face. I've gone through my entire life without beating up a woman or an old man and I'd like to keep it that way, but I'm so completely and thoroughly tired of your whining crap at this point that I'd be willing to consider it.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 11:59 am

But there are plenty others who you call drunks, idiots, etc., etc. And I believe the GO FUCK YOURSELF was in response to you insulting my wife, which of course you've denied.

As far as meeting you in person, fine. Come to my hometown and we'll have a chat in person if you'd like. I look forward to it.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 12:03 pm

I must have missed all the complaints from these people who I've called drunks and idiots and etc. etc.

Hey....do you remember when you said that annoying me and harassing me was more fun that talking about football? No? Not a surprise. You are ill.

The GO FUCK YOURSELF.....which you said on more than one occasion.....wasn't about your wife, that's just your crappy reading, as usual. I was actually implying that you are an old woman.

Where's your hometown, and how do I contact you when I get there?

You could make all this stop. But you won't.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 12:16 pm

Silver City, NM. It's a small town. I'm sure you'll have no problem finding me. Just ask around for the Vietnam Vet who rides around town on his Road King and is married to the beautiful local brown skinned lady.

As far as making this stop....I simply got on this site to check for any updates, and I run across you and your goofy friend, totally unsolicited by me, giggling about calling me Princess nitwit. I'm supposed to just ignore that? Sorry, just not wired that way.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 12:31 pm

If you ignored me, as I have repeatedly requested, I'd ignore you. But you can't.

One last chance. You can simply ignore me, stop complaining about me, stop bringing me into your posts, stop taking shots at me. And if you do this, I'll extend the same courtesy to you. I've asked you this many times over the years, and you've always declined, because you like to agitate.

I'd urge you to consider it again. I don't like doing this, I'm sure the other posters don't like coming to this site and reading this crap, Jersey Al would probably prefer we didn't do this. You have the power to make all of this stop.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:37 pm

It isn't the downvote Bird. I couldn't care less. But I spent a lot of time trying to express that at the end of the day we are all human beings. The amount of money we make is irrelevant. The emotions Aaron Rodgers is going through are emotions we all should be able to identify with.

The downvote with no response pissed me off . I'm over it :)

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:51 pm

Downvotes don't bother me a bit. It usually tells me how many fools or socialists or idiots are around. ; ) (Depending on the topic.)

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. It is their right.

It's when they try and tell me I have to agree with their BS narratives that pisses me off. ; )

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greengold's picture

March 10, 2023 at 07:14 am

Good, and nice work, Mainer!!!

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 10:13 am

thank you gg.

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greengold's picture

March 10, 2023 at 07:13 am

Ditto. Gave him a thumbs up myself yesterday as well. It’s quite rare.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:22 pm

You act like 12 is being kicked to the curb to beg for quarters? I’d be shocked if these scenarios weren’t discussed last year when he signed the big contract. I respect 12 for all he has done for the Packers but I still don’t feel sorry for him. I didn’t give you a downvote nor am I a coward.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:47 pm

It's not about the money Bruce, or even the Packers decision, I get all that as does Rodgers. it's about people complaining about Rodgers taking too long, They make it seem like he created the problem. He didn't. I understand it's a business, but we should all understand that leaving your lifelong job can bring emotions regardless of the monetary part.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:00 pm

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. He needs to take as much time as he needs. Big decision.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 10, 2023 at 03:42 pm

See people -- ^This is how a man acts when there is a misunderstanding...

Well played BruceC1960...

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:57 pm

MPF, you took time to put together a thoughtful piece on how you view 12's decision. Thanks. Let the thumbing slide off your back like water off a moose. Imho, I think the site could do without the thumbs. This isn't reddit or facebook, and imaginary internet points aren't worth the imaginary document they're not printed on. They can't be redeemed for imaginary worthless prizes.

I've gotten better at scrolling past those I don't enjoy reading, and interact with those I like, or at least find interesting. No thumbs up or down in my world. There are some great people here that I enjoy very much. The rest I try to cut some slack. You never know what burdens others are carrying or why they choose to act the way they do in the relative anonymity of the interwebz. And, at the end of the day, some people are just asshats.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 05:45 am

Thanks Leotis. As a rule, I couldn't care less about downvotes. For some reason that one annoyed me. Could have been that last cocktail : )

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2023 at 09:30 am

Correlating: last cocktail and posted at 0545 CST. Nevermind, I see the initial post was at 1955 hours.

I upvote without an explanation if I agree and have nothing to add.

I downvote without a comment if I disagree on something that is pure opinion and I have no stats or anything to cite.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 10:00 am

lol. The only way I'm having cocktails at that time is if I never went to bed. Been a long long time since that happened ; )

Regarding upvote/downvotes, that's about the way I do it too TGR. I prefer to interact. That's a big part of why I enjoy coming in here.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 10, 2023 at 11:57 am

To me that's the only really sensible thing to do. Nothing wrong with voting up or down one or the other. I tend to keep my comments relatively brief mainly because there's so many great comments opinions and viewpoints listed and offered that unless I have something worthwhile to add, a simple vote usually suffices. It's just a vote expressing agreement or disagreement. I simply prefer to keep the focus on football.

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greengold's picture

March 10, 2023 at 07:03 am

Rockstar post, LeotisHarris. Well said. Needed to be said.

Keeping it to football is what’s best here. We’re all different, and have unique perspectives to share. I think that makes this the Top Packers Forum that I’ve ever been a part of since jumping in on the very 1st Packers forum in 1993. JSOnline Packers Forum. Nice work, CHTV.

Ignoring those who can’t grasp that has worked well for me. That I can attest to being highly effective.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:14 pm

Are they paying me $60 million a year?

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 05:37 am

So money does buy happiness ? Got it.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2023 at 12:20 pm

Fair enough. Sometimes money can rent happiness, though.

[No double entendre intended initially, but I could not help but notice the possibility.]

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 02:18 pm

lol

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Kolo's picture

March 10, 2023 at 12:43 am

Aaron holds all the cards, he wants to be courted because of his ego. Your analogy does not apply here.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 05:30 am

Actually he only holds two of the cards. He doesn't hold the playing for the Packers card. If he did, that's the one he would play.

" he wants to be courted because of his ego"

So did Rodgers fill you in on what he's thinking, or are you filling in the blanks for him? For all we know AR may have already given the Packers and Jets his answer and it's the details that we are waiting on. None of the 3 parties are speaking.

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Barnacle's picture

March 10, 2023 at 06:28 am

Pay me $50,000,000 a year and you can treat me “poorly” and I won’t whine, pout and do drugs to ease my pain while sitting on my ass while young receivers are hungry for some interaction during mini camps.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 10, 2023 at 02:41 pm

I'd be at the gym a hell of a lot.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 02:50 pm

I'd spend most of it on hookers and booze. The rest I'd just waste.

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BradHTX's picture

March 10, 2023 at 03:50 pm

Now that gets an upvote!

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 07:43 pm

From the acknowledged married guy on this site. So glad it got you upvotes.

Personally, I would never disrespect my wife like that on a public forum.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 07:53 pm

It is these type of posts, that are not football related but rather just an attack on a poster, that are the problem.

You are a paragon of propriety, I'm sure. You don't live in a glass house, so there's no reason to not throw stones.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:00 pm

It's these types of posts that don't belong on a football site and show your true character. You posted it, I didn't. And no, I would never disrespect my wife like that.

EDIT: I'm sure because you're one of the good old boys on this site, you'll be a hero....good for you. Actually, I think it's rather disgusting.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:09 pm

I'm sure you're just as virtuous as a person could hope to be. And you would never make a joke that somebody would use as an opportunity to signal their virtue.

You should try not judging other posters. In fact, maybe you should be a little less judgemental, period.

And the objectionable joke? Courtesy of WC Fields. Once Upon A Time, we could tell jokes without some self-righteous Princess getting her panties in a wad. I guess those days are gone.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:24 pm

When it comes to respecting my wife, I actually am 100% virtuous. I would never disrespect her. You have a different definition than I do. Cool joke I guess.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:26 pm

And your thumbs up are already arriving. Just like I thought. What a surprise.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:33 pm

Good for you. Would you like to say it a couple more times so everybody knows how virtuous you are?

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:42 pm

There's only one person who knows and cares how virtuous I am. And, believe me, it's not you. And, thank God, she knows I'm not like you.

As far as the Princess thing....it's getting a bit tiresome. Maybe come up with some new material? Have a lovely evening.

Can we expect you soon in NM? I believe it was your idea after all.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 10, 2023 at 09:14 pm

How does your wife know that I’m not like you? What are you implying? Or are you just projecting again.?

If you’d like for me to quit insulting you, there’s an easy choice, but you won’t take it, because you like to agitate.

I have an outstanding warrant in New Mexico, but I am definitely interested in meeting you.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 10, 2023 at 09:27 pm

Ahhh...the old inconvenient warrant excuse. Of all the 50 states, what are the odds? Well, I guess you'll just have to continue being a really tough guy on here then. You're awesome!

So, bottom line, you've chickened out, but of course you'll need to have the final word, so have at it. I'm old and I'm tired, and this has become incredibly boring.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 06:43 am

OK, you want response.

You write the story of the loyal employee who cares about organization.

Lets try this narrative.

You have employee that did a lot, but really a lot for your organization. But, with age he started to perform on the job less and less effective. He started to complain about his superior, claiming that all "problems" that employee has is the result of bad work from his superior. You checked and conclude that those complaints maybe not completely fair, but there were some truth about them. So, you decide to gire his superior, because you hope that those problems your employee had was the product of missunderstandings between employee and his superior. He became so pissed of, si you, because he means a lot to you, decide to on ugly way part with his superior (who was also loyal to your organization and basically made that employee as excellent on his job as he is/was). You hired more friendly person to be your next superior and asked you to calm down and do not become the problem). New "relation" started but employee performance still were not at the former level, and employee hinted that he might decide to retire. You accepted what you heard and decide to hire very young person to school him while you still working, trying to respect employee wishes to retire when he decide and to have young replacement for his job.

At first your employee stated that he understands your decision and looked calm and undisturbed. But, by time employee noticed how good or excellent young guy is and that he has a lot of row talent and suddenly started to fear for his job. That year he heavily improved his performance and it was like everything is OK.

By time new cycle of bringing young guys to the organization just to be started and you made your plans how to improve your employees core to preceed. Suddenly your employee leaked the news that he is done with your organization and that you do not want to work for you - he is done will never ever work for you. Now, you know that your young replacement is not ready to take over the job and you decide to sprak with your employee. Finally, you made arrangement with him to come back and fulfill his contract extension. He accepted but asked and get, as condition of agreement some rights nobody has in the organization or on your competitors. He went on vacation.

He came back from vacation and organized press conference during wich he was heavily spitted on the organization and all your management.

You silently went over that escapade. But, you got, from your employee, worse performance, not much but still, that year. There were some changes in middle management (new DC, STC), and your employee again started to talk about retirement. His most closed working friend left the organization and you were not able to replace that person. So, you decided to extend contract by offering much more money to him. As you had limits with the budget, you decided to borrow the money from the future to satisfy appetites of your employee. But, you become tired of his "should I go or should I stay" story and he worked (presumed injured) pretty bad for his standards. At one moment young replacement was pushed to finish one job your employee eas not able to do because of injury and he excelles.

You decide that it is the time, but, from respect of your employee you involved him in that discussion. He got time to make decision A, B or C and he did. You try to help him that decision to become accomplished.

That is how I saw you story about employee!

I hope you are now satisfied.

Thank you!

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croatpackfan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 08:20 am

I apologize for typo mistakes. I'm typing from the phone. Small letters and fat fingers do not go well together.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 10:11 am

croat, Yes, that is the kind response that I prefer. Though I disagree with much of what you said, I appreciate your response and I gave you a nice big upvote :). Thank you.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 12:08 pm

MainePackFan, you may not disagree, but I just discribed what and when happened. I did not change any fact. Al those facts (except the reason why ACR waited full season to react on Jordan Love draft - that is my opinion). All events are well documented and you can search for them.

Thank you!

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MainePackFan's picture

March 10, 2023 at 02:02 pm

croat. I doubt you and I will agree on anything when it comes to AR, but I truly do appreciate you as a fellow Packers fan : ) GPG!!!

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4thand10's picture

March 10, 2023 at 10:39 am

Or, youre a discruntled employee, they got rid of your favorite toy. So you refused to play the system. Spend an entire offseason not getting to know your new toys and only doing the bare minimum contractually. thats what the kids term these days as “ quiet quitting”. Also imagine being Adams… go to a place to play for your buddy …and your buddy gets traded to the Saints…. I think this is also a bit about money, Last uear Rodgers liked bitcoin and mentioned as much on Macaffe. And we all know where bitcoin went. Just sayin.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:21 pm

As a prophet of my generation said, "All Things Must Pass".

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:08 pm

If they don't, XLAX might help...

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2023 at 09:48 pm

Not for idealism!

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golfpacker1's picture

March 09, 2023 at 08:51 pm

Well I guess i won't feel sorry at all for Aaron Rodgers. He still is going to make $60 million next year and he will be in New York. New York will offer Aaron way more opportunities to be in advertisements and to just be famous. He will love the attention. I also don't thing the stage will be too big for him there. Yes his skills have diminished some but Aaron Rodgers @ 90% is still better than 3/4 of the starting QBs in NFL. I wish him well but I won't feel sorry for him. It' not the same as losing a $150000 job with no new job to support your family. He is still kind of rich.

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Coldworld's picture

March 10, 2023 at 09:53 am

My only thought this morning is to regret that this wasn’t all over this time last year. Just seems like everyone wasted a year and it got more not less messy.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 10, 2023 at 12:11 pm

Sigh! So true. Brings to mind the Rolling Stones song Time Waits for No One. Hours are like diamonds don't let them waste.

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